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Name: "Toti Towers"
Location: Amanzimtoti, Durban
Use: Mixed Use ( 398 apartments, Retails stores)
Floors: 20, 22, 25

Sorry for small render, most i have found. was mentioned in the latest issue of the ridge magazine. Is being developed by the Indawo Trust, an Umhlanga development firm that has been involved in many projects in the new town centre

Kinda difficult to make out but definitely a biggie for Toti. Hopefully they've learned some lessons about developing on the beachfront since much of it is being washed away at the moment.

cool

will put more up when i get sent. have asked for info. will add some more scale to the beachfront and will go nicely with the solaris development with its glass facades

looks aait

This development has 398 units, which makes it slightly larger than the Pearls of Umhlanga which has 388 units. Impressive design and has a much better chance of getting official approval since the tallest tower is 25 floors while the tallest in the Pearls development is 43 floors. I hope the Durban council does not change the rules or the processes to frustrate the developers like they did on the Pearls when they stalled two of the proposed towers from going forward and requiring the developer to go back to the drawing board. Look forward to the pics Dysan.

Dysan,

Check out the Property Magazine which just posted the Neighborhood of the Month for KZN:

Amanzimtoti

I dont think this one will struggle nearly as much as the pearls have... its funny that its an umhlanga developer building high rise in toti, while high rise dev's are being "attacked" in umhlanga

:D I thought at first it was a rude name for the towers but then I saw what it was ..ahem.. short for.

lmao

^^ Trust me when I say that I'm not the only one that thinks that.

Dysan is it going to be called Toti Towers or does it not yet have a name?

^^ it does not have a name yet, hence why it is in "..."

spoke to the developer today, and the designs and units will be launched in the next month

Hopefully we will get beter renders of the building as well.

To be honest, after the bugger-up of building the Sanlam centre in toti (which is the widest, most skinny building and has a dreadful impact on the beach in front of it) I'm surprised to see another wide-looking development in toti.

Not very practical for a sea-front development.

^^ I think that might be one of the changes pushed thru by the council with regards to shadows on the beaches.

Looks like this one won't get built and maybe should be considered a "Never Built"

Looks like this one won't get built and maybe should be considered a "Never Built"

Sjoe kapenaar, the mere consideration that the Portside will be cancelled really hit you hard. Jy lyk ontsteld, my ou! A bit of an obsession with cancelled towers, I see. hehe

Sjoe kapenaar, the mere consideration that the Portside will be cancelled really hit you hard. Jy lyk ontsteld, my ou! A bit of an obsession with cancelled towers, I see. hehe

With regard to Portside we will have to see in the new year what happens to it but I'm not being partial to any project. I have even flagged projects in the Cape that have been cancelled so I have no regional biases as the economic meltdown and Jacob Zuma fiasco is having an effect on the entire country which is in it's worst crisis since 1994.

With regard to Portside we will have to see in the new year what happens to it but I'm not being partial to any project. I have even flagged projects in the Cape that have been cancelled so I have no regional biases as the economic meltdown and Jacob Zuma fiasco is having an effect on the entire country which is in it's worst crisis since 1994.

Bru, JZ looks like kittencandy when you consider the global fiasco. Oil at $34 a barrel. Dubai sending people home in droves. Houseprices plummeting. Empty skyscrapers from San Diego to Dubai to Hong Kong and London. Half-built skyscrapers in Chicago. Canned buildings in Moscow, London, Dubai, Chicago, Hong Kong, New York. Because the entire globe is skittish at this stage.

A few years ago Sandton had a couple of 20+ buildings online. The Sandton Isle (was cancelled, and today it is the site of the Radisson SAS). The Sandown Towers was cancelled. Skyscrapers are expensive to build, and as such they mushroom when times are good, and fall when times are tough. Even the Empire State struggled - it was known as the Empty State for quite some time. And economically we are in a better place than 1998. Politically we are not in crisis, but we are in transition. Transition is not comfortable - but 2009 will be a watershed year.

5 of my close friends have been labelled dispensable in London, 2 in Dubai. Latvia is the next country standing in line for help from the IMF. Iceland basically lost its currency - a year ago it was the wealthiest county in the world.

Yes, we are in a difficult spot - but a few things constrained SA in terms of going highrise:
Low landvalues
Bad urban planning
Infrastructure
Building costs
Returns on investment

this is why you see so many canned buildings. Better they be canned than they stand empty - like the palm jumeira, or the countless number of 40floor+ condominiums in San Diego. South Africa singled out as a nation in crisis? At least we had the credit act. And at least we curtailed foreign currency flows - keeping banks from investing in the global jelly.

Bru, JZ looks like kittencandy when you consider the global fiasco. Oil at $34 a barrel. Dubai sending people home in droves. Houseprices plummeting. Empty skyscrapers from San Diego to Dubai to Hong Kong and London. Half-built skyscrapers in Chicago. Canned buildings in Moscow, London, Dubai, Chicago, Hong Kong, New York. Because the entire globe is skittish at this stage.

A few years ago Sandton had a couple of 20+ buildings online. The Sandton Isle (was cancelled, and today it is the site of the Radisson SAS). The Sandown Towers was cancelled. Skyscrapers are expensive to build, and as such they mushroom when times are good, and fall when times are tough. Even the Empire State struggled - it was known as the Empty State for quite some time. And economically we are in a better place than 1998. Politically we are not in crisis, but we are in transition. Transition is not comfortable - but 2009 will be a watershed year.

5 of my close friends have been labelled dispensable in London, 2 in Dubai. Latvia is the next country standing in line for help from the IMF. Iceland basically lost its currency - a year ago it was the wealthiest county in the world.

Yes, we are in a difficult spot - but a few things constrained SA in terms of going highrise:
Low landvalues
Bad urban planning
Infrastructure
Building costs
Returns on investment

this is why you see so many canned buildings. Better they be canned than they stand empty - like the palm jumeira, or the countless number of 40floor+ condominiums in San Diego. South Africa singled out as a nation in crisis? At least we had the credit act. And at least we curtailed foreign currency flows - keeping banks from investing in the global jelly.

You made a good point. I would rather see no buildings than unfinished ones like we see in Beirut all over the place or we are likely to see abandoned tower projects in Angola (in addition to the ones abandoned 30 years ago at independence) resulting from the oil bust causing it's economy to collapse with ramifications for instability in a country with a violent war past.

At this stage with Kgalema Motlanthe in charge and Trevor Manuel still in place, SA is doing better than the Western economies like the US and UK which are both in severe recession. SA is however teetering on the brink of recession judging by GDP growth figures of 0.2% in the third quarter (unless they are revised down to negative). But things could change quickly after Jacob Zuma take charge and follows a socialist/populist path like Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. And there is the ANC-YL and the MK war veterans who could be used as the ANC-PF's shock troops against anyone who opposes the idea that the ANC-PF can be defeated in an election.

I love how everything is attributed to JZ and politics.
They get credited for the credit crisis too.

.....JZ, corruption, crime, etc are all politically correct excuses for people who no longer enjoy the racial previlage they enjoyed prior to 1994......the US stock collapsed from around 11 000 to the current 8000....thats 3000 point collapse....The JSE was around 22 000 before the financial crisis.....right this minute its around 21 000 after this global financial crisis......go figure this so-called crisis in SA.....before I blame anybody for my problems, i try to look in the mirror first......its not hard to be a "pretend-victim" of JZ, crime, corruption etc....SA is a great country and JZ will never turn it into another Zimbabwe.......people need to stop exagerating.......all these anger, self hatred and negativity towards our beautiful country and people is very unhealthy.......2010 is around the corner and we should be celebrating......Merry Christmas everybody....

.....JZ, corruption, crime, etc are all politically correct excuses for people who no longer enjoy the racial previlage they enjoyed prior to 1994......the US stock collapsed from around 11 000 to the current 8000....thats 3000 point collapse....The JSE was around 22 000 before the financial crisis.....right this minute its around 21 000 after this global financial crisis......go figure this so-called crisis in SA.....before I blame anybody for my problems, i try to look in the mirror first......its not hard to be a "pretend-victim" of JZ, crime, corruption etc....SA is a great country and JZ will never turn it into another Zimbabwe.......people need to stop exagerating.......all these anger, self hatred and negativity towards our beautiful country and people is very unhealthy.......2010 is around the corner and we should be celebrating......Merry Christmas everybody....

The JSE was touching 30 000 before the collapse - and went down to 17000. But Moscow, Sao Paulo and Beunos Aires closed their stock exchanges a couple of times during the worst part of the crisis to prevent huge losses. Only 10% of Iceland's stock exchange survived. In Dubai certain construction companies lost 80% of their stock value. 56% of the top 20 Chinese businessmen's wealth was erased during the crash. in 2007, all 20 of them were billionaires (in USD). In Sept 2008, only eight were billionaires.

SA is however teetering on the brink of recession judging by GDP growth figures of 0.2% in the third quarter (unless they are revised down to negative).

SA is not "teetering on the brink of recession". Our economy has slowed from 2007's 5.1% but is not experiencing negative gowth. Our projected growth rate for 2009 is 3% and possibly 3.5 - 4% in 2010. Recession is when the economy is projected to dip below -0.1% of annual GDP.

SA is not "teetering on the brink of recession". Our economy has slowed from 2007's 5.1% but is not experiencing negative gowth. Our projected growth rate for 2009 is 3% and possibly 3.5 - 4% in 2010. Recession is when the economy is projected to dip below -0.1% of annual GDP.

We might very well see 1% growth or less for the first two quarters of 2009. This however, is more because of the global crunch -rather than politics. France, Germany, the UK - all hovering deep in the red, not even teetering (they are in recession). As many as 15 retailers in the UK are posed to follow Woolworths into oblivion. They are slashing prices by up to 90% in an attempt to get consumers to spend. Teetering on the brink of recession? In the current global economy this is the norm, rather than the exception. India, Brazil, even robust China, all struggling. And with markets being where they are now, people are not too excited about any emerging economy. Towards the end of 2009, possibly 2010, this will change again.

So we are struggling, not as a result of Zuma, but because of a global meltdown (and this is not even an exaggeration). CA's struggling to find work in London. Banks moving out of Canary Wharf because it is too expensive. Luxury apartments in Dubai and Hong Kong not selling (even after the prices fell by 40%, and property companies throw in BMWs and Bentleys!). Property in the UK falling by 30%.

And Zuma will not make an extreme shift to the left. The ANC is more than just its alliance partners. It will be pretty much the same (which is not necessarily a good thing).

It is kind of ironic... all these people who have spent the last 7 years screaming "South Africa will be the next Zimbabwe! South Africa will be the next Zimbabwe! South Africa will be the next Zimbabwe!" meanwhile what has actually happened? South African growth accelerated. On the other hand: Iceland is bankrupt and dependent on Nordic and IMF charity, once high-flying Latvia and the Ukraine have also been reduced to IMF beggar status, the UK and USA are about to make the Weimar Republic look like a model of fiscal and monetary restraint (Saffies fleeing unemployment and asset collapse in Anglo-America, you'll be welcomed home - just remember to leave your facism at Heathrow airport). Who rules all these countries? Not Xhosas or the ANC.

eish die kapenaar you do like to spread all sorts arund these forums...

And while the world economy is going into meltdown, i do not see the benefit of you running and labelling everything left right and centre as never built. many will be postponed i agree, but take a bit of a chill dude.

On this one, the developer is someone i know, and no it is not canned yet, lol they have not even started final designs or sales as it is only for 2010 start.

Die Kaap, you got a problem and you better deal with it. I agree with Upington over Zuma even though I wouldnt like him to be the President. If you understand politics, you will know that a country's leader is not always someone you like but the majority rule and after all Zuma won't run the country alone and one good thing that happened to this country is the formation of COPE which I believe will keep the ANC at its toes therefore resulting in us getting better service delivery.

SA is not "teetering on the brink of recession". Our economy has slowed from 2007's 5.1% but is not experiencing negative gowth. Our projected growth rate for 2009 is 3% and possibly 3.5 - 4% in 2010. Recession is when the economy is projected to dip below -0.1% of annual GDP.

GDP growth was 0.2% in the third quarter of 2008 according to Stats SA. Given the rapid deterioration in the global economy in the last three months, it would not be surprising if the fourth quarter GDP figures are negative (aside from the fact that the third quarter could be revised downward just as happened in the UK and US). But aside from the academic definition of a recession, SA is really in a recession when the economic growth rate is way below the population growth rate. Then that means that the average SA citizen is getting poorer as per capita income is declining in real terms. That to me is a recession. One way to look at it is to consider that if SA's population growth rate were the same as in the UK or US, the GDP numbers would no doubt be negative so the real GDP growth rate in SA is not that far off from the US or UK. By the way Trevor Manuel will not own up to the reality of recession just as the Bush administration only accepted it after the fact. Besides Trevor is loyal to Zuma and has to tow a line that the economy will grow by 3% next year when the reality is that hardly any private economist these days gives credence to the government's projections. It's another case of the ANC government denying there is a crisis just like they did with Eskom, Zimbabwe, and the ANC party leadership.

eish die kapenaar you do like to spread all sorts arund these forums...

And while the world economy is going into meltdown, i do not see the benefit of you running and labelling everything left right and centre as never built. many will be postponed i agree, but take a bit of a chill dude.

On this one, the developer is someone i know, and no it is not canned yet, lol they have not even started final designs or sales as it is only for 2010 start.

That is good. Maybe it will get off the ground at some point in the future.

Besides Trevor is loyal to Zuma


Really???


Please support that statement.

Lol...didn't he initially resign because of the whole Mbeki fiasco? That's a new one.

Really???


Please support that statement.

He willingly joined the transitional government of Motlanthe after he resigned from Mbeki's government a day earlier so he is part of the new Polokwane ANC leadership and is now one of their cadres.

^^ lol sometimes you talk utter shite.

He resigned to make a point that he is NO ONES bitch, he came back based strongly on the belief that he would thereafter have greater control cos the ANC under Zuma knew they needed him. And anyway he plans to leave office after the next elections