Yehey!:banana: It's turnover time after a long wait. It's time to inspect your new home and do a construction audit.

Who should you bring along to do this important walk-through with you? What should you look for?

Share your tips here.

for clueless people like moi, bring an architect or an ID... they know a defect when they see one

There was a thread before where forumer/ realtor @Carol provided a checklist on what to do during inspection and prior acceptance of turn-over of units. I wonder if I can still locate it.

yeah because we learned the hard way. once they get their money fr the bank or if you paid cash, bye bye repairs.

for clueless people like moi, bring an architect or an ID... they know a defect when they see one

Since I might be getting a serendra unit soon, care to expand what items to look for in a Serendra unit? Thanks! :)

There was a thread before where forumer/ realtor @Carol provided a checklist on what to do during inspection and prior acceptance of turn-over of units. I wonder if I can still locate it.

That would be great @lili. I hope you can find it and repost it here. I've seen many of you write about punchlisting and turnover do's and don'ts but most of the discussions were kept within their specific threads. It gave me an idea to create this thread in the General Property Issues so that everyone can participate. :)

Since I might be getting a serendra unit soon, care to expand what items to look for in a Serendra unit? Thanks! :)


actually, there was little that got past the Ayala QA who handled my unit. she was quite stringent :okay:

good luck on your negotiations! :)

What are the implications of CRACKS appearing in the walls of a newly turned over unit? Any answer will be appreciated, thanks.

What are the implications of CRACKS appearing in the walls of a newly turned over unit? Any answer will be appreciated, thanks.

What type of cracks are we talking about here? Superficial or structural? Are your walls made from hollow blocks or gypsum board?

cracks are a cause for major concern. If they are located at beams and columns, I would want my money back :lol:.

the reasons why cracks appear are varied, but it is usually due to bad engineering or bad construction work.

(exception is made for construction joints or portions were they are supposed to crack. They usually have score lines so you would know it's designed to crack at that location)

What type of cracks are we talking about here? Superficial or structural? Are your walls made from hollow blocks or gypsum board?

i actually don't know what they're made of but i'll try to find out. How do I know if they are superficial or structural? Should I stick something in there and see how deep it goes? :)

cracks are a cause for major concern. If they are located at beams and columns, I would want my money back :lol:.

the reasons why cracks appear are varied, but it is usually due to bad engineering or bad construction work.

(exception is made for construction joints or portions were they are supposed to crack. They usually have score lines so you would know it's designed to crack at that location)

the cracks do appear on columns but they say it could be because of a poor "finishing" job. i'm not in construction so I don't know if that's plausible. The developer already offered to "fix" them. if i want a professional to assess the implications of the cracks, should I approach an architect or an engineer? Thanks.

if it's at the columns, see if you can stick a BBQ stick into it and how far it would go.

if gets in by an inch, pwede-pwede pa yan. If it goes in further they'll need to get specialists to fix that crack. structural defect na yan and if construction methods haven't changed they need to use epoxy cement to correct that. hindi na pwede palitada diyan. :)

if you live in a high rise, I'd look at those cracks closely. Think - Ruby Towers :lol:

A structural engineer (he's a civil engineer who took an MS. that's how serious the problem can be) will be the specialist to look for if you want a professional opinion.

oo nga pala, kung na expose ng crack ang kabilya (aka rebars or deformed bars), seryoso ang diprensiya niyan

i actually don't know what they're made of but i'll try to find out. How do I know if they are superficial or structural? Should I stick something in there and see how deep it goes? :)



the cracks do appear on columns but they say it could be because of a poor "finishing" job. i'm not in construction so I don't know if that's plausible. The developer already offered to "fix" them. if i want a professional to assess the implications of the cracks, should I approach an architect or an engineer? Thanks.

You should consult a Structural Engineer to investigate, they are the one resposible for all structural dicipline. In laymans term most crack in any buiding is the responsibility of structural engineer. Because there maybe some failure in the design say the foundation of the structure is not correct thats why there are some movement going on or the span of the stucture is deflecting or sagging. There are cracks also that are usually caused by weather being exposed to extreme cold or hot weather, they call this weathering cracks this type can be easily solved either by grouting only or if not chipping again the portion affected areas and re-plaster. If the crack is in any solid structure like beam or column it is serious.

http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifestyle/lifestyle/view_article.php?article_id=76523

How to choose structurally-safe condos
By Tessa Salazar
Inquirer
07/14/2007

MANILA, Philippines -- Structural experts say that condominium buildings are designed by architects and engineers based on sound engineering standards.

Inquirer Property recently talked to a structural engineer and an architect who gave assurances that the majority of new condominiums in the Philippines are inherently safe structurally.

Gideon Javier, project management director of Colliers International, said the practice of employing and regulating structural engineers in the country is “very strict.”

Architect Boy Morcilla, vice president of Steel Building Systems and Technologies, said a contractor or a developer will not be given the proper occupancy permit by the local government if the building has not been constructed in accordance with plans and specifications.

The question is, should buyers take all these things for granted?

Javier and Morcilla said buyers -- and the public in general -- don’t have to be clueless even if they are not that knowledgeable in engineering or architecture.

Helpful tips

Even with strict construction laws, Morcilla said that one must be careful in choosing a unit, especially if it is in an old building. Here are some helpful tips on choosing structurally-safe condos.

1. Be observant and look behind the paint works. There might be cracks that have been painted on. Check for intermittent cracks, or cracks traversing the cross section of structural beams and columns. Weakening structural beams form a series of cracks. If these cracks have not been properly addressed, they could lead to disaster, especially during a strong earthquake, Morcilla warned.

Also be mindful of long continuous cracks on the walls, which could mean the building is “settling” against the earth, or a collateral effect from the beam failure, or worse, foundation design failure. These cracks will reappear even after being patched and painted.

Differentiate a hairline crack, which is superficial, from a structural crack. A hairline crack would normally be finer, isolated, and can be hidden by paints and patching compound. The best way to validate structural wall cracks is to investigate the opposite side of the wall where the cracks appear. If the same configuration of cracks appears on the same spot as the other side, there is a possibility that they are structural, and thus, a major cause for concern.

And don’t underestimate small structural cracks. In a country like the Philippines situated in the Pacific Ring of Fire, earthquakes are more common than you think. And even when there are no felt earthquakes, tectonic plates constantly keep moving beneath us, thus resulting in constant shifting of the land. That small crack, therefore, can add up over time, and before you know it, a monumental collapse can occur.

2. Look at the circuitries, Javier advised. “Bring in a few of your appliances, plug them in and turn on all the lights, and see if the lights flicker or you hear loud popping noises followed by darkness.”

3. Does the building have fire alarms? Javier stressed condo buyers should make sure the building has smoke alarms. “So much the better if you see a panel in the ground floor that lights up to show where the fire is.”

4. Check the fire escape. It isn’t enough that there is one. Javier said fire escapes should have metal doors and the unit’s alarm if opened from the inside to keep out burglars. “It’s better if there is a ‘panic’ handle.”

5. Look for fire sprinklers. They should be on ceilings or beams.

6. Look for ventilation. “Make sure there is ventilation, especially in the kitchen area for cooking fumes to escape, especially if they allow you to use gas ranges in the building,” Javier said.

7. And just like test-driving cars, tell-tale signs of poor construction can be found on doors and floors. “Make sure the floors are level and the doors open and shut well. This means the building is well aligned,” Javier said.

8. What do you have to do first thing in the morning when you go in the building?

“"Don’t drink coffee, don’t smoke, pop into the building first thing in the morning and see if you can smell pee or see stains in the ceiling -- it’s a sign of faulty plumbing,” Javier said.

“Would you believe the SARS epidemic spread so quickly in Hong Kong because the virus made its way through leaks in the plumbing? While you are at it, flush all the toilets to make sure that they are vented properly. If not, they will not flush well.”

9. Open the taps and smell the water.

10. Try to randomly talk to an existing unit owner or tenant and ask about problems, not just about the building, but also the neighbors.

11. Choose a condo unit that uses the least wooden component. Partitions and ceilings should at least be of metal framing and cement board or gypsum board cladding, Morcilla advised.

12. Hallways and staircases must be made of materials with at least two hours fire rating. Materials must be concrete or those with similar properties.

http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifestyle/lifestyle/view_article.php?article_id=76523

How to choose structurally-safe condos
By Tessa Salazar
Inquirer
07/14/2007

MANILA, Philippines -- Structural experts say that condominium buildings are designed by architects and engineers based on sound engineering standards.

Inquirer Property recently talked to a structural engineer and an architect who gave assurances that the majority of new condominiums in the Philippines are inherently safe structurally.

Gideon Javier, project management director of Colliers International, said the practice of employing and regulating structural engineers in the country is “very strict.”

Architect Boy Morcilla, vice president of Steel Building Systems and Technologies, said a contractor or a developer will not be given the proper occupancy permit by the local government if the building has not been constructed in accordance with plans and specifications.

The question is, should buyers take all these things for granted?

Javier and Morcilla said buyers -- and the public in general -- don’t have to be clueless even if they are not that knowledgeable in engineering or architecture.

Helpful tips

Even with strict construction laws, Morcilla said that one must be careful in choosing a unit, especially if it is in an old building. Here are some helpful tips on choosing structurally-safe condos.

1. Be observant and look behind the paint works. There might be cracks that have been painted on. Check for intermittent cracks, or cracks traversing the cross section of structural beams and columns. Weakening structural beams form a series of cracks. If these cracks have not been properly addressed, they could lead to disaster, especially during a strong earthquake, Morcilla warned.

Also be mindful of long continuous cracks on the walls, which could mean the building is “settling” against the earth, or a collateral effect from the beam failure, or worse, foundation design failure. These cracks will reappear even after being patched and painted.

Differentiate a hairline crack, which is superficial, from a structural crack. A hairline crack would normally be finer, isolated, and can be hidden by paints and patching compound. The best way to validate structural wall cracks is to investigate the opposite side of the wall where the cracks appear. If the same configuration of cracks appears on the same spot as the other side, there is a possibility that they are structural, and thus, a major cause for concern.

And don’t underestimate small structural cracks. In a country like the Philippines situated in the Pacific Ring of Fire, earthquakes are more common than you think. And even when there are no felt earthquakes, tectonic plates constantly keep moving beneath us, thus resulting in constant shifting of the land. That small crack, therefore, can add up over time, and before you know it, a monumental collapse can occur.

2. Look at the circuitries, Javier advised. “Bring in a few of your appliances, plug them in and turn on all the lights, and see if the lights flicker or you hear loud popping noises followed by darkness.”

3. Does the building have fire alarms? Javier stressed condo buyers should make sure the building has smoke alarms. “So much the better if you see a panel in the ground floor that lights up to show where the fire is.”

4. Check the fire escape. It isn’t enough that there is one. Javier said fire escapes should have metal doors and the unit’s alarm if opened from the inside to keep out burglars. “It’s better if there is a ‘panic’ handle.”

5. Look for fire sprinklers. They should be on ceilings or beams.

6. Look for ventilation. “Make sure there is ventilation, especially in the kitchen area for cooking fumes to escape, especially if they allow you to use gas ranges in the building,” Javier said.

7. And just like test-driving cars, tell-tale signs of poor construction can be found on doors and floors. “Make sure the floors are level and the doors open and shut well. This means the building is well aligned,” Javier said.

8. What do you have to do first thing in the morning when you go in the building?

“"Don’t drink coffee, don’t smoke, pop into the building first thing in the morning and see if you can smell pee or see stains in the ceiling -- it’s a sign of faulty plumbing,” Javier said.

“Would you believe the SARS epidemic spread so quickly in Hong Kong because the virus made its way through leaks in the plumbing? While you are at it, flush all the toilets to make sure that they are vented properly. If not, they will not flush well.”

9. Open the taps and smell the water.

10. Try to randomly talk to an existing unit owner or tenant and ask about problems, not just about the building, but also the neighbors.

11. Choose a condo unit that uses the least wooden component. Partitions and ceilings should at least be of metal framing and cement board or gypsum board cladding, Morcilla advised.

12. Hallways and staircases must be made of materials with at least two hours fire rating. Materials must be concrete or those with similar properties.

This is very helpful indeed . . . thanks for posting . . .

http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifestyle/lifestyle/view_article.php?article_id=76523

How to choose structurally-safe condos
By Tessa Salazar
Inquirer
07/14/2007

MANILA, Philippines --
Architect Boy Morcilla, vice president of Steel Building Systems and Technologies, said a contractor or a developer will not be given the proper occupancy permit by the local government if the building has not been constructed in accordance with plans and specifications.


and the proper "FEES" are paid :lol:


2. Look at the circuitries, Javier advised. “Bring in a few of your appliances, plug them in and turn on all the lights, and see if the lights flicker or you hear loud popping noises followed by darkness.”



that is, if the circuit breakers are working. otherwise, you'll start to smell something burning :lol:

best to bring appliances that make heat, like irons or electric stoves. they're the power hogs. what's being tested here is whether or not the wires to the outlets are overtaxed.

it's also be a good idea to open the panelboard and check the wiring. if it's a jumbled mess looking like a platefull of spaghetti then it's not good.

the circuit breakers also have to be marked main, living room lights, living room outlets etc. if you turn off a marked breaker, it should only turn off the power in the area designated.


5. Look for fire sprinklers. They should be on ceilings or beams.

it is bad practice to have it install within the beams. These are usually installed at the walls or ceilings.

11. Choose a condo unit that uses the least wooden component. Partitions and ceilings should at least be of metal framing and cement board or gypsum board cladding, Morcilla advised.


I don't think this is quite true. contractors have moved away from plywood and wood products because they are more expensive than sheetrock. It's difficult to attach stuff to cement and gyp board so I actually like plywood better.


12. Hallways and staircases must be made of materials with at least two hours fire rating. Materials must be concrete or those with similar properties.

2-hour fire rating refers to the doors. this essentially means it would take two hours before fire could eat through the door. helpful in containing fires before firefighters arrive.

if it's at the columns, see if you can stick a BBQ stick into it and how far it would go.

if gets in by an inch, pwede-pwede pa yan. If it goes in further they'll need to get specialists to fix that crack. structural defect na yan and if construction methods haven't changed they need to use epoxy cement to correct that. hindi na pwede palitada diyan. :)

if you live in a high rise, I'd look at those cracks closely. Think - Ruby Towers :lol:

A structural engineer (he's a civil engineer who took an MS. that's how serious the problem can be) will be the specialist to look for if you want a professional opinion.

oo nga pala, kung na expose ng crack ang kabilya (aka rebars or deformed bars), seryoso ang diprensiya niyan

You should consult a Structural Engineer to investigate, they are the one resposible for all structural dicipline. In laymans term most crack in any buiding is the responsibility of structural engineer. Because there maybe some failure in the design say the foundation of the structure is not correct thats why there are some movement going on or the span of the stucture is deflecting or sagging. There are cracks also that are usually caused by weather being exposed to extreme cold or hot weather, they call this weathering cracks this type can be easily solved either by grouting only or if not chipping again the portion affected areas and re-plaster. If the crack is in any solid structure like beam or column it is serious.

thank you all for the helpful tips/comments. i guess the cracks are superficial (hairline) 'cause even the thinnest paper cannot fit in them, much less a barbecue stick :lol:

anyways, i'll take note of all the good tips posted here. :okay:

I have heard my share of stories on turn-overs and here are my thoughts on the matter:

Try to bring a person from the construciton industry to accompany you in your turnover, at least an Interior Designer who has experience in working with similar type of developments before, or an architect or engineer.

Inspecting a building is considered to be technical work, and to some extent the cosmetic exterior does not really show what the real quality of the building is. If the structure is of concern, like an older building where the foundation is softer, I would bring a structural engineer, because they can truly identify load bearing items from non-load bearing items.

Even if the building passes all the cosmetic tests, it is not a guarantee that it is done properly.

Also, warranty should come from the General Contractor and not from the developer or project manager. This is a common misunderstanding that it is the developer who should shoulder the warranty. Although your contract is with the developer, they actually outsource everything to a general contractor, and if they hired a reputable contractor, and paid them a decent amount for a decent building, they should have no problems having the contractor rectify any problems with the unit.

It is the developer's responsibility to coordiante with the General Contractor on what items should be rectified if any during punch list. To me, it is very disturbing that a lot of people have bad experiences where after the payment is done, they get no service whatsoever from the developer....I think this is caused by 3 things...

1) The broker you worked with is not professional and after receiving the commission, is long gone!
2) The property management of the building is not effective.
3) The developer tried to save money and max out profits that they did not hire a general contractor, but instead contracted the building out in a piece by piece with different contractors.

Number 3 is the biggest problem, becuase it is now not just a coordination issue, but in fact, a real issue where the proper ethics in the construction industry was not followed...and the developer (who is now essentially the general contractor) has all your money, and a retention was not witheld for the protection of the unit owners.

In our case, we have a 10% retention from the General Contractor (because we made sure we followed the standards of the industry where the architect and general contractors are separate financial entity). We task the property management to coordinate all the punch list items to the general contractor. They are then given 2 weeks max to rectify, if not, the retention will be used to hire a third party contractor to do the rectification work.

Overall, we have had experience with clients who are so used to bad turnover practices, that they refuse to come and "accept" their units, fearing that all the people who are responsbile will vanish after the turn-over. In reality, if the turnover is done correctly, then coming in early for turnover is the best advice I can give....this is because the retention of the general contractor is only valid for 1 year...so as a unit owner you want to discover imperfections as early as possible and within this 1 year period!

practically all problems/issues have been tackled in so many threads...from pre-selling to groundbreaking to actual construction and finally... turnover.
now comes moving in time..... and problem doesn't end there.

is there any thread or link as regards issues/situations that unit owners may encounter once they move in? how do they deal with them :)

I have heard my share of stories on turn-overs and here are my thoughts on the matter:

Try to bring a person from the construciton industry to accompany you in your turnover, at least an Interior Designer who has experience in working with similar type of developments before, or an architect or engineer.

Inspecting a building is considered to be technical work, and to some extent the cosmetic exterior does not really show what the real quality of the building is. If the structure is of concern, like an older building where the foundation is softer, I would bring a structural engineer, because they can truly identify load bearing items from non-load bearing items.

Even if the building passes all the cosmetic tests, it is not a guarantee that it is done properly.

Also, warranty should come from the General Contractor and not from the developer or project manager. This is a common misunderstanding that it is the developer who should shoulder the warranty. Although your contract is with the developer, they actually outsource everything to a general contractor, and if they hired a reputable contractor, and paid them a decent amount for a decent building, they should have no problems having the contractor rectify any problems with the unit.

It is the developer's responsibility to coordiante with the General Contractor on what items should be rectified if any during punch list. To me, it is very disturbing that a lot of people have bad experiences where after the payment is done, they get no service whatsoever from the developer....I think this is caused by 3 things...

1) The broker you worked with is not professional and after receiving the commission, is long gone!
2) The property management of the building is not effective.
3) The developer tried to save money and max out profits that they did not hire a general contractor, but instead contracted the building out in a piece by piece with different contractors.

Number 3 is the biggest problem, becuase it is now not just a coordination issue, but in fact, a real issue where the proper ethics in the construction industry was not followed...and the developer (who is now essentially the general contractor) has all your money, and a retention was not witheld for the protection of the unit owners.

In our case, we have a 10% retention from the General Contractor (because we made sure we followed the standards of the industry where the architect and general contractors are separate financial entity). We task the property management to coordinate all the punch list items to the general contractor. They are then given 2 weeks max to rectify, if not, the retention will be used to hire a third party contractor to do the rectification work.

Overall, we have had experience with clients who are so used to bad turnover practices, that they refuse to come and "accept" their units, fearing that all the people who are responsbile will vanish after the turn-over. In reality, if the turnover is done correctly, then coming in early for turnover is the best advice I can give....this is because the retention of the general contractor is only valid for 1 year...so as a unit owner you want to discover imperfections as early as possible and within this 1 year period!

Gibs..how are the unit owners of GH2 being notified for the acceptance and walk-thru. For people like us who live overseas, when and how do we learn that its time for this to happen.

this thread is very helpful.. thanks! :)

For those whose units are ready for turnover, @realtor_manila lists some 'closing costs' that buyers have to prepare for:

For the usual condominium projects, the 'closing costs' will cover the following:
Documentary Stamps Tax - 1.5% of the total contract price (TCP)
Registration Fees - approximately, 0.5% of TCP
Transfer Taxes - 0.5% of TCP
Meralco Deposit
Condominium Corporation Capitalization Costs (i.e., this is a one-time membership fee and the fees will vary from developer to developer)
Advanced Condominium Dues (will vary from developer to developer and to be on the safe side, be ready with 3 months advance payment)
Title Processing Fees
Miscellaneous Fees

For Build-To-Own (BTO) projects, the 'closing costs' will cover payment for the following:
Title Processing Fees
Condominium Corporation Capitalization Costs
Inspection Fees
Meralco Deposit
Advance Condominium Dues (3 months payment)
Tax Declaration - 0.5% of TCP
In general, if you're a 1-BR and 2-BR BTO unit owner, you have to be ready with approximately Php120k and Php150k, respectively.

Developers like Ayala Land and Brittany Corporation have incorporated these closing costs in the TCP of condo units. (Note: Just in case there is an increase in the closing costs upon unit turnover, the unit owner will pay the additional cost).

However, majority of the developers will charge these closing costs upon unit turnover.

Source: http://www.fortboniconsultancy.com/blog/comment.php?entryid=247

problems?....how about the gastos?:) there's so many hidden costs living in a condo...alam mo na yung mga dues, taxes, lalo na ang kuryente!....i'm away most of the times as i live in hong kong so i have to hire an administrator for my unit..you can't let the pipes go dry (mamamho ang unit mo.. and don't let the dust stick to your furnitures!..you also need a car...kakahiya naman sa mga neighbors mo he he!

how to deal with it? try working harder so you can maintain your lifestyle living in a condo:cheers:

I am an owner of a unit in Belair SOHO and I'm paying about P90+ per square meter for association dues. The condo doesn't have any amenities at all. I have mailed the management several times and until now, after 6 months, there is no reply on the computation of the dues yet. It is very hard for me to personally talked to them since I am working in Singapore.

I went to their office today and they promised that they will be answering me via email. I told them that I will not be paying the dues until they have explained to me the computation. Is there any government agency whom I can inquire to regarding this matter? :ohno:

^^ ang mahal naman., tapos walang amenities?

sa dmci, i think their highest is 50 pesos/sqm at sycamore., and around 35 for their mid rise projects., tapos may pool at amenities ang mga to., scheduled pa ang repainting after a few years.

^^ ang mahal naman., tapos walang amenities?

sa dmci, i think their highest is 50 pesos/sqm at sycamore., and around 35 for their mid rise projects., tapos may pool at amenities ang mga to., scheduled pa ang repainting after a few years.

Because of this, my confidence in Century/Meridien is all gone. They really have a problem with their after sales. As I've said in my previous post, I've been following this up for 6 months.

I am just hoping that it doesn't happen to investors in their other projects. :ohno:

Investors beware!

90 pesos ? halos serendra na yan. may concierge services din ba ?

90 pesos ? halos serendra na yan. may concierge services din ba ?

They don't have any :ohno: They don't have a swimming pool, a gym or any other amenities except for their two elevators :bash:

Housing and Land Use Regulatory Board (HLRB) I guess. But I guess the homeowners' association / condo corp will be the ones representing the interests of the residents of your building.

Because of this, my confidence in Century/Meridien is all gone. They really have a problem with their after sales. As I've said in my previous post, I've been following this up for 6 months.

I am just hoping that it doesn't happen to investors in their other projects. :ohno:

Investors beware!

My top two choices for purchasing investment condos were Serendra and SOMA. One reason why I chose SOMA (same builders as your project) is because I didn't want to pay a higher monthly association fee for two units that I'm not living in, especially when the units are not being rented. My association dues are P55/m2. I think Serendra's association fees are about double, and your dues are almost as much as theirs. There could be another fee combined with your association dues -- for instance, if you have parking, maybe they are including those fees in your total?

My top two choices for purchasing investment condos were Serendra and SOMA. One reason why I chose SOMA (same builders as your project) is because I didn't want to pay a higher monthly association fee for two units that I'm not living in, especially when the units are not being rented. My association dues are P55/m2. I think Serendra's association fees are about double, and your dues are almost as much as theirs. There could be another fee combined with your association dues -- for instance, if you have parking, maybe they are including those fees in your total?

Nope, I don't have any parking space. I asked the admin and she told me that I have to wait from a reply from CPMI. Until this day, I havent received any reply from them on how they arrived at the computation.

As for your investment in SOMA, you should have considered St Francis as well.

Nope, I don't have any parking space. I asked the admin and she told me that I have to wait from a reply from CPMI. Until this day, I havent received any reply from them on how they arrived at the computation.

As for your investment in SOMA, you should have considered St Francis as well.

I didn't know about St Francis when I bought SOMA 2.5 years ago. I just looked at the St Francis plans online and it looks really nice and has bridges to the mall and MRT. Humm.. I'm getting that "wanna buy" feeling again. Anyway, I also found an old website that show the estimated assoc dues for Belair SOHO at P75. I was wondering why it's higher than SOMA, but then I realized that SOMA has twice as many people paying for the pool, etc. Maybe you can try talking to one of their sales people to get that info for you, and pretend to want to buy at one of their new projects to help motivate them. ;)

practically all problems/issues have been tackled in so many threads...from pre-selling to groundbreaking to actual construction and finally... turnover.
now comes moving in time..... and problem doesn't end there.

is there any thread or link as regards issues/situations that unit owners may encounter once they move in? how do they deal with them :)

how about this?

When the condo size doesn’t compute, refute
By Tessa Salazar
Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://supplements.inquirer.net/propertyguide/main.php?content=financial019)
MANILA, Philippines—The contract says you bought a 24-square-meter condominium unit. But when you receive the title, it says there you only got 23 sq m. What do you do then?

The Housing and Land Use Regulatory Board advises specific recourses for “shortchanged” buyers.

HLURB had earlier confirmed to Inquirer Property that there have been “many similar complaints” from condo unit owners, although the board did not indicate the actual number.

Mike Denava, legal officer of the HLURB, said discrepancies cannot be avoided, and if condo buyers encounter this problem, he or she should consider the following steps:

1 The unit owner may choose a refund of the excess payment or demand the developer to correct the size of the unit. If there’s no possibility to adjust the unit physically, then ask for the refund.

2 The owner should also review the master deed of restrictions. This deed stipulated the rights and obligations of both parties—developer and buyer—such as what belongs to the common area or up to what point belongs to the unit owner.

3 If it turns out that the measurement is short, follow suggestion No. 1. Denava explained that should a conflict arise between a developer choosing to refund the excess payment and a buyer demanding the unit be readjusted physically, the settlement of the case would take longer. “The HLURB, being the quasi-judicial agency, would have to decide on the issue,” he said.

4 The unit owner can file a complaint with the HLURB and the agency can conduct an ocular inspection upon the unit owner’s request. The HLURB’s authorized engineers (technical services unit) can then conduct actual measurements of the unit. Afterward, what is indicated in the title would be followed.

5 The standard way of measuring the unit is to measure from one face of the wall up to the other face of the wall, according to Section 6 of the Condominium Act or Republic Act 4726. This is unless otherwise expressly declared on the master deed of restrictions, said engineer Octavio Canta, head of HLURB technical services.

6 Can unit owners have an independent technical body measure the unit? Denava said the HLURB cannot assure owners that the findings of an independent body would be acceptable or conclusive for HLURB.

Buyers can get in touch with the HLURB for further questions or to lodge their complaints at 9273061 or at www.hlurb.gov.ph.

I didn't know about St Francis when I bought SOMA 2.5 years ago. I just looked at the St Francis plans online and it looks really nice and has bridges to the mall and MRT. Humm.. I'm getting that "wanna buy" feeling again. Anyway, I also found an old website that show the estimated assoc dues for Belair SOHO at P75. I was wondering why it's higher than SOMA, but then I realized that SOMA has twice as many people paying for the pool, etc. Maybe you can try talking to one of their sales people to get that info for you, and pretend to want to buy at one of their new projects to help motivate them. ;)

Thanks for your suggestion :)

I am an owner of a unit in Belair SOHO and I'm paying about P90+ per square meter for association dues.
When I was shopping around, I was told at Soho Central (which has two towers), that one time association fees will be more or less P20,000 while monthly dues are computed as P100/sqm. Other fees such as electric, water meter etc. will be 4% of the total contract price to be paid upon turnover-- which is pretty much standard. But 100/sqm -- hmmm. CPI has a well-oiled sales machinery which can give you all this info at the drop of the hat (unlike in other projects). But from the posts that I have read so far, they'll probably need to work harder on their after sales too if they're charging this much HOA fees.

When I was shopping around, I was told at Soho Central (which has two towers), that one time association fees will be more or less P20,000 while monthly dues are computed as P100/sqm. Other fees such as electric, water meter etc. will be 4% of the total contract price to be paid upon turnover-- which is pretty much standard. But 100/sqm -- hmmm. CPI has a well-oiled sales machinery which can give you all this info at the drop of the hat (unlike in other projects). But from the posts that I have read so far, they'll probably need to work harder on their after sales too if they're charging this much HOA fees.

as far as I know, the monthly association dues for Soho Central is less than that -- 75 pesos / sqm , unless if there was any change that I wasn't aware of.

Very informative post by a SOMA unit owner.

To all Condo Unit Owners/Buyers in SOMA and other projects.

I have decided to post a INSPECTION SHEET that hopefully can help us all when we arrive to accept our next investment. I of course submit this list in hopes that others will add their own thoughts/suggestions. As this is a laymans thinking I ask that others add to the list and please lets try to be positive in replies as most people are only trying to help. This can be printed and brought with you into your inspection day review.

Take your time in your inspection and be diligent with tape measure and paper/pencil. You have spent hard earned money on this project. And many people have worked hard to deliver. We must look beyond the working man/woman and go right to the source, The Builder/Developer when we inspect. It is their duty to deliver us a unit in which we are not going to be spending aditional funds to correct mistakes.

The list is randomly numbered and you might check the items as they are important to you. For me it is all important !!!!

1. Shower Floor Drain, Water drains properly leaving no puddles or excess water on the shower floor
2. Window air leaks. No drafts or visible spaces from gaskets and metal frames
3. Water leaks and water pressure, Assure all faucets are turned on at the same time and sufficient water pressure is present. Assure all pipes are leak proof and no moisture is present on pipes/fittings.
4. Circuit Breaker and outlet check. Take a small electrical item with you and plug it into the wall outlets assuring all are in working order. Check the circuit panel for all circuits and actually see that each circuit is not overloaded. Ref and washing maching on same circuit would be a problem
5. Entrance Door fit. How much space is between the bottom of your door and the floor. Space causes lost of air cool and energy
6. Tiles , Assure all tiles are caulked and no open spaces are present. No cracks or broken tiles
7. Kitchen and Bath vent . Make sure you operate both at same time and go to the exhaust and chech for output.
8. Air Conditioner size and warranty. Ask is the unit they provided large enough to cool the square meters. I suggest a 40 sq meter unit will have at least a 1.5 HP air con. Do they offer an extended warranty. Is it remote control as the unit is placed higher and also would cost so little for that simple upgrade. When does the warranty take effect? Does the air-con have a proper water drain pipe. Did they at least build a frame around the unit interior? Ask for the repair contact details number.
9. Cabinet doors and drawers. Actually open them and see that they operate properly. Look for missing hardware and screws...
10. Washing machine. look for proper drain pipes and water turn off valve and electric plug in. Is it ground fault for outside protection as the balcony is not protected from environment.
11. Does the bath area have a seperate drain for overflow problems. It is easy for your neighbor above to overflow toilets and showers causing you water damage below.
12. Primary Water shut off valve. Where is the shut off for water to the unit. In case of damage to pipes for quick water disconnect. Is the valve easy to turn and working. Shut it off and turn the faucets on to see.
13. Phone Cable lines. Do you have enough excess cable to properly connect the cable and phone lines? Are they actually in working order. Once you accept the unit will the company assure you that the lines will have connectivity
14. Electric?Water meters. Ask to read your meters when accepting your unit to assure the Developer has not used the elect to complete your unit. Pay ffrom the day you accept.
15. Flooring.. Check each area for loose and give way flooring. Walk around every area of the unit and place your weight assuring each area is secure to the floor. Is the flooring level. Has any scuff and scratch marks come with the unit due to appliance/furniture installation.
16. Toilet. Is the toilet secured to the floor properly. Most have bolt/stud and are caulked around the base. Do you have a water shut off valve in the Toilet line
17. Unit measurement. Take a tape measure with you and calculate the total sq. ft/meter area.
18. Appliance warranty and instruction manuals cards. Does each appliance have its proper booklets?
19. Generator Back up. ask what lights emergency fixtures the back up generator will run in your unit. Has it been tested for your unit and if so can you be assured it will work when needed. If not who will repair the lines?
20. Rules of Condo: When will you receive your set of condo rules and regulations.
21. Light fixtures. Bring a light bulb to your inspection to assure the fixtures are working. Maybe they can provide one and maybe not.
22. Kitchen/Bath ground fault Is your unit provided with a ground fault plug in to prevent electric shock. Why Not.
23. Painted walls. Are the walls and paint finish properly, No faded or light spots. Is the seams and finish work even and smoothe.
24. Trim work. Is the wood trim joints and cuts even and square. Why is the caulking at the trim joints so visible.
25. Slide doors between kitchen and balconies. Do the doors slide smoothly and is the hardware to each door complete.
26. Furniture moving. Look behind your furniture and under. Many flaws can be hidden that way.
27. Windows. Open and close each window to assure lock and closure. Does it hurt to bring a candle with you to assure air tightness. Light the candle and place it near the seams of the windows to assure no drafts. This may be extreme you think. But nothing is worst they energy lost and wind noise in a high rise unit.
28. Completed Deeds and Paper work. When can you expect your completed paper work for your unit? Are you willing to move into a unit you have not received your Title?
29. Intercom: Ask them to check the intercom when you there. Is it working properly.
30. Fire/Emergency escape. Will they post a sketch of the escapes route in your condo or near hall way.

I realize this may be very detailed for some. I am only trying to give you suggestions. I am not suggesting that all items are not satisfactory as I have not inspected my unit. This is only 30 of the things that are important to me. I welcome more suggestions from you and hope this will assist you with a smooth turn over. Take your time as stated before, This is your new home. Good Luck !!

do u guys have a list of condos and their assoc dues/sqm?
way back 2 years ago, i was inclined to purchase a unit at st francis, 2M pa nun at 37 sqm,a bit pricey for my budget and i know nothing about properties till i descovered skyscraper city. then i check dmci, yung raya garden, nag reserve nako till i realized na grabe ang traffic, ayaw ibalik yung reservation fee so pina transfer ko sa sycamore. i learned to like na din sycamore, bec at 2.1M approx 44sqmwith all the amenities sounds like a good deal. the unit was turned over already, and at 50/sqm assoc dues nagrereklamo nako, how much more pala if natuloy ako sa st francis or serendra na ang studio cost about 2.4M 2 years ago. plus amortization pa. grabe ang mga bayarin

do u guys have a list of condos and their assoc dues/sqm?
way back 2 years ago, i was inclined to purchase a unit at st francis, 2M pa nun at 37 sqm,a bit pricey for my budget and i know nothing about properties till i descovered skyscraper city. then i check dmci, yung raya garden, nag reserve nako till i realized na grabe ang traffic, ayaw ibalik yung reservation fee so pina transfer ko sa sycamore. i learned to like na din sycamore, bec at 2.1M approx 44sqmwith all the amenities sounds like a good deal. the unit was turned over already, and at 50/sqm assoc dues nagrereklamo nako, how much more pala if natuloy ako sa st francis or serendra na ang studio cost about 2.4M 2 years ago. plus amortization pa. grabe ang mga bayarin

Sayang naman yung St Francis mo, that 37sqm unit is now about 3.5M. Mga 90/sqm yata sa St Francis according to my Uncle. I think okay na yung 50/sqm mo sa Sycamore cause sa Belair SOHO nga, 90/sqm wala namang amenities...:bash:

as far as I know, the monthly association dues for Soho Central is less than that -- 75 pesos / sqm , unless if there was any change that I wasn't aware of.

Thanks for the info @illinoispt. I checked again with the CPI agent and she told me that she only gave me a "conservative" ballpark figure. I honestly don't know what she meant by that. But she said that HOA dues of Soho maybe between 75-100/sqm.

Here are some tips that I go from socketsite for an initial walk-through.

I'd appreciate if the others post here, too. Tell us if it's preferable to have a professional inspector with you.

I remember forumer-realtors @Carol and @realtormanila Cynch gave some pointers before. I also saw @gen1 post his extensive list in the Serendra thread.

" Here's a starting point for some things you should look for in a new home inspection, even if you've already hired a professional:

-- Make a checklist of every room in the house/apartment and go through it in order. Don't let anyone rush you.

-- Check floors and wall surfaces for any signs of moisture, uneven finish, screw holes not patched, gaps around switches and outlets.

-- Open and close all doors and windows. Do they latch? Stick? Are they hung level and square within the opening?

-- Bring a small nightlight or something else you can easily plug in to check that every outlet works.

-- Turn all light switches on and off

--In the kitchen, make sure all the appliances work. Look for dents. Turn on the water-- does it get hot? Run the water in the kitchen and the bathroom and the dishwasher and flush the toilet at the same time to see if you've got plenty of water pressure. Flush the toilet a few times to make sure the tank refills properly.

-- Are appliances set up level? Do appliance doors have enough clearance to open fully?

-- Open all the cabinets and drawers. Make sure they work smoothly, aren't scratched, etc.

-- Test the thermostat to make sure the heat/AC goes on.

-- Check to see if grout has been sealed properly (if color changes when wet, it needs to be sealed)

-- Look for any cracks or chips in bathroom fixtures

-- Are towel bars, etc. hung level

-- Do doors have bumpers so walls won't be damaged

-- Look for any signs of leaks, water damage: around windows, under sinks, by hot water tank, etc.

-- Make sure any outdoor areas have proper drainage: they should have a slight slope toward a drain or away from doors/walls of interior.

--Check doors to outside for proper weather-stripping

-- If you're buying a condo, check the common areas of the building too and note anything that seems incomplete or damaged

-- Take careful notes of everything you see, and go over the notes again before you leave."

I also remember someone said to bring a blue mask-in tape so that you can tape the parts where you need something done after the inspection.

Some great insights and tips from @ATL404 that he posted in the GH thread. The following are some things to think about as your own turnover for whichever condo you bought draws near...

As some of you on this thread are aware, I took the bold step of accepting the turnover of my unit at GH1, last February 11, 2008, despite the laundry list of major and minor imperfections that were documented during the walkthrough that day. This is something that I would not have done under normal circumstances so I understand why several owners who post on SSC have not accepted the turnover of their units after their initial walkthrough. I’d like to share the circumstances that steered me down the path to closing on my unit at GH1 on the same day of my initial walkthrough and eventually having a unit that’s camera ready and worthy for the rental market.

Enticements and Foreign Exchange Gamble
The total cost of the unit had already been deposited into BDO, the fiduciary. This was done to take advantage of a discount being offered at the time by the builder in return for full payment. In addition, I wanted to take advantage of the going exchange rate of 51 PHP to 1 USD at the time. I knew the risks but accepted them as being low to moderate since the builder wasn’t holding the money. In addition I amended a sentence on the turnover acceptance form stating that I “accept the turnover of the unit with the exceptions itemized on the attached punch list”. I simply hand wrote this on the form before I signed it. This documents the fact that the unit was not finished and that the builder’s job was not yet complete.

Crew is Geared up and Ready to Go
With the many condos going up at BGC I knew I had to do something to my unit to make it look more attractive to be somewhat competitive when I eventually put it on the market to be leased. So, I hired my own architect/interior designer to do the upgrade work to my unit. However, the builder would not allow my interior designer and contractor to do any work or bring in any tools or material without completing the turnover, i.e., executing all the necessary forms that formally convey the unit to me and making all the necessary payments that are due. [Here’s a tip – bring the correct amount of money. Keep hounding your agent or whoever your point of contact is for the right amount. Have them email the details to you. You don’t want to be in a position where you can’t close because you’re short on cash. There were several things that needed to be paid which I had no knowledge of until I arrived at the turnover. I was fortunate to have enough margin to cover the unknown expenses.]

Time is Money
I only had three weeks to spend in the Philippines so I had to work within a three-week window to add improvements to the so called “MUF”. [This doesn’t include the six weeks or so of preplanning before I arrived in Manila.] By my standards, an MUF at GH1 is in no way ready for occupancy by me or anyone I would lease it to. After all, we are not in a low end district and so I feel my unit should reflect that. That’s just my personal opinion which I would not impose on anyone. The pressure of time and the amount of money that was at stake was a great motivator in the decision to keep moving forward. In my case, time is money because my ultimate goal is to lease my unit ASAP. I could have played hardball with these people but that would have accomplished very little and potentially could stretch the schedule beyond my three-week window. A high handed approach would have strained communications between me and the builder and things tend to move at glacial speeds when that happens.

Trusting My Instincts and “Thin Slicing”
It might sound crazy but to keep moving forward I had to trust the unconscious part of my brain. You get to a point when one has to make a decision based on what psychologist John Gottman calls “thin slicing”. I’ve never met the various people with whom I was doing business. February 11 was the first time I met everyone from the interior designer, architect, and finishing contractor to the builder of the GH1 and their staff. I wouldn’t recognize them if I tripped over them on Ayala Avenue. I had no guarantee that these people were not out to screw me over. All I had to rely on was my gut feeling and instinct, my “thin slice” initial impressions of the people and the handsome tower they had erected; my initial impressions of the interior designer during my phone conversation with him from 7,000 miles away, and my impression of his work depicted on his website. Snap decisions were made. You’re probably thinking that I should have been more careful. But remember the times when you’ve exercised due diligence and have paid mind to caveat emptor and did all your research and still you were bamboozled. I don’t think anyone goes through life without having experienced this at some level. But I subscribe to the notion that one’s unconscious mind combined with experience, foresight, and educated guesses can lead to the correct decision. I am not saying this is what anyone else should do. I am only sharing with you the mental process that I went through. The reading of a situation varies from one person to the next so there’s no set formula.

Accept the Risks but Work to Mitigate Them
Yes there were risks but one has to evaluate if the risks are personally acceptable. We all have different levels of risk tolerance. The trick was to balance the three pillars of cost, schedule, and quality. I was not willing to give on schedule or quality so I had to be prepared to pay for professionals. There was the risk of busting the three week schedule and there was the risk that the quality of the work would suffer due to the aggressive schedule. These risks were mitigated by pre-planning and employing professionals to do the work. As the old saying goes, “you get what you pay for”. If you try to save money by employing some self proclaimed interior designer and fly by night finishing contractor you are gambling. I employed people who I estimated to be knowledgeable and who had prior documented experience. I knew that I’d be dealing with professionals at G&W and the architect/designer I hired so I felt that the risk of busting the schedule and ending up with poor quality work had been mitigated. And just in case the schedule gets busted I appointed a couple of trusted people to whom I assigned SPAs (Special Power of Attorney) to carry on for me after I departed.

Minimizing the Potential for Financial Loss
Always in the back of my mind is the risk that the designer/contractor would take my money and run without doing the work. Well there was no fool-proof way for me to protect myself against that because at the start of the project I was still in the US when I paid my down payment. The way I handled that was to have my attorney in Manila to be the one to disburse the payment. Before any payment was made, the person collecting payment had to go to my attorney’s office and present valid identification and then sign a receipt. That was easy. After I arrived in Manila there was no more need to use my attorney. Any payment made after that were progress payments. If a certain level of progress was not made, neither was any payment made. It’s that simple.

Other thoughts
The people I dealt with are professionals whose reputations are at stake so I decided that deep in their hearts they weren’t in business to do a poor job to intentionally anger people. I knew that I had to look beyond what was directly in front of me. I was lucky to have been able to see beyond the dust and debris, the puddles in the lavatories, the unpainted walls and ceilings, drain plugs that didn’t plug, dirty windows that sometimes wouldn’t close properly, misaligned cabinet doors, misrouted gas pipes, and so on. I tried to visualize what was possible and not dwell on what was currently staring at me in the face. I knew that things weren’t going to be static if I would just work with these professionals and let them do their jobs. This might sound like project management B/S but I treated these people as my partners and not as servants so we were all pushing for the same goal. That goal was to get my unit ready to be occupied before my departure three weeks later; ready for occupancy not by someone else’s standards but by mine. I made sure that the team knew what that standard was so there was no ambiguity as to what the place was going to look like after all work was done. I made sure that my designer and contractor were coordinating with the GH1 administration and staff. Many details had to be addressed from obtaining security passes to delivering raw materials, appliances and furnishings. You as unit owners have to understand that dialogue is of utmost importance to achieve progress. Try not to let emotions get in your way because information does not penetrate when either party has that part of their brain responsible for emotions fully engaged. The part of the brain responsible for logic totally shuts down. Have you ever tried talking sense to a person who was raving mad?

Having hired professionals made my job as coordinator much easier. I didn’t have to micromanage because members of the team took care of the details. They were on the ball and knew what had to be done. Not that I never had to continually follow up to make sure G&W was doing their part but would it have been any consolation if their punch list wasn’t completed in time because I failed to stay on top of them? Sure they weren’t perfect but then my unit was 90% complete by the time I left Manila. When I say 90%, I’m talking collectively about the walkthrough punch list and the upgrade my interior designer and finishing contractor had completed. These were addressed in parallel so G&W and my finishing contractor were effectively working inside my unit in a coordinated manner to get the job done on or nearly on time.

I also didn’t just issue requests; I also listened. When the pros gave me suggestions that made sense, I agreed and gave the thumbs up to go do it. We were like a well-oiled machine and it was as if we’d been working together for years but as I said earlier, I’ve never met Gibson Yu, Stephen David or Rommel Aldaba before. I’ve also never met any of the G&W or CBRE staff members before. They too were helpful in their own way. It wasn’t just blind faith. These are people whose jobs and reputations were on the line so I gave them the benefit of the doubt.

It is unfortunate that some of you had the distasteful experience of workers allegedly urinating in your unfinished units. I guess I was lucky that I didn’t have to experience that but this may be a signal to G&W to provide Porta-Potty’s at various locations in the building. For workers to have to walk up and down 5, 10 or 20 floors, because the elevators aren’t turned on, just to relieve themselves is a bit medieval. Come on now, it’s 2008! Is it worth it for G&W to have their reputation tarnished because of things like this? I seriously hope no one was bold enough to leave us any of the solid brown stuff.

Hopefully, none of you would ever have to resort to litigation. Litigation is not always the answer and may cause even greater anguish, stress and definitely more money after you factor in opportunity costs as well as legal costs. If one has to resort to litigation, the risks have been realized and it’s too late to recover you initial plan. Relationships will most likely be irretrievably damaged and your property could be idle longer than you’ve bargained for.

Did We Succeed?
Did we succeed in finishing the unit 100% by the time I departed for the US on February 28? Of course NOT but it was pretty close. As I mentioned earlier it was 90% complete and fully furnished and I was ecstatic. By mid-March, my unit was 100% finished. The only reason I did not put it on the market for lease prior to that time was that an air conditioner needed to be installed in the living area. As of March 28, the unit has been put on the market for lease. I can truly say that my little mission had been accomplished and it all came together as I had envisioned and quickly. This was all made possible by doing advance planning, having patience, being flexible, and having faith in the folks at G&W, my interior designer/architect, Stephen David and the finishing contractor Rommel Aldaba who also happened to be an architect. You’ve probably already seen pictures of my unit if you’re on this thread. I think you’ll agree that those pictures speak a thousand words and are a testament to my team’s abilities.

Reflecting back to the very beginning, I had certain expectations and preconceived notions based on my past US experiences. When a builder says your unit will look the model unit, that is exactly what it will look like because you went to their design center to pick out the specifics. With this real estate deal in Manila I made certain assumptions without considering what the local norms in the Philippines were. When reality did not line up with my expectations, it was human nature for me to become agitated. But I paused for a moment and realized that my frame of reference was all wrong. As a point of comparison, my mother purchased an MUF unit from Megaworld at Forbeswood Hts. Megaworld is not a BTO scheme. Megaworld is a developer. One would expect a higher level of service since her unit cost more per square meter than my unit at G&W. It took another six months after her turnover date for her unit to be considered acceptable and complete. We’re talking about basics with no upgrade work like I had done to my unit. By refocusing and not allowing my emotions to paralyze progress by projecting my anger and feelings of disappointment onto those who were ultimately the people who will be working with me we were able to accomplish my mission. I could have insisted on this, that and the other, but that would have been counterproductive. I was lucky to realize that working through the problems in an amicable manner was the fastest way to getting the project completed. Now my unit is complete and ready to start making back the money I invested. So this is my contribution to some good news in this Grand Hamptons thread. Good luck stlito, jen, gasrock, chillendawg, and all my future neighbors at GH and BGC.

Thanks @ATL404!

From @gen1's post in the Serendra thread... a great list for our own turnovers... thanks for this!

I couldn't copy-paste the ms-word doc with its formatting. so medyo pangit tingnan ang checklist. Note that the checklist follows the specs of the materials for my particular unit. check your contract for the details of the specs for your unit...

The column titles are as follows :

Item Pass Fail Comments

Master T/B Checklist :

Note:
Verify with serendra if temporary water connection to hot water line may be installed. If not request for static water pressure test on the hot water line

The list below should fall under the Column Title :
1. Door
a. Solid wood frame ?
b. Wood veneer inserts panels?
c. Check door for Squareness
d. Vertical Plumbness
e. Condition of Paintjob
f. Condition of hinges – chrome
g. Condition of hinges – complete screws ?
h. Condition of knob – chrome
2. Countertops
a. Material – Natural stone ?
b. Lavatory area – installed ?
c. Water Closet – installed ?
d. Around Bathtub – installed ?
e. Caulked all around?
f. Levelness
g. Squareness
3. Lavatory
a. Check for centeredness
b. Check for chipping
c. Caulked all around ?
d. Condition of hardware
e. Check water pressure
f. Check for leaks
g. Check for completeness of valves
4. Lavatory Closet
a. Squareness
b. Vertical Plumbness
c. Levelness of cabinet shelves
d. Condition of hardware – chrome
e. Condition of hardware – complete screws ?
5. Water closet
a. Check for centeredness
b. Check for chipping
c. Caulked all around ?
d. Condition of hardware
e. Check Flushing Action
f. Check Tank Refilling Time
g. Check for leaks
h. Check for completeness of valves
6. Bathtub
a. Check for centeredness
b. Check for chipping/nicks
c. Caulked all around ?
d. Condition of plumbing fixtures, chrome finish
e. Check water pressure
f. Check for leaks at valves
g. Tension Type Shower curtain rod?
7. Other Plumbing
a. Check for existence of Gate Valve for Hot water
b. -ditto- For cold water
8. Floor
a. Condition of 300mm x 300 mm Ceramic Tiles – adhesion to substrate
b. Condition of 300mm x 300 mm Ceramic Tiles – Evenness
c. Floor Drain, chromed, 4”x4”
d. Floor Drain Slope, correctness
9. Ceiling
a. Material, Type MR Gypsum board
b. Joint Finish
c. Paint finish condition
10. Walls
a. Paint finish condition
b. Evenness of cement plaster
c. Check for squareness
d. Check for vertical plumbness
11 Electricals
a. Check condition of lighting fixture
b. Check Operation of Light Switch
c. Check operation of exhaust vent
d. Check Centeredness of installed fixtures
e. Check for Convenience Outlet at Lavatory. GFCI installed?
f. Check Coverplates for Damage
g. Open random outlet and check for
i. Size 3.5mm Wire (2ea)
ii. Green Ground Wire (1ea)
iii. Check voltage/tightness of connection
h. Check insulation resistance

Master Bedroom Checklist

1. Door
a. Solid wood frame ?
b. Wood veneer inserts panels?
c. Check door for Squareness
d. Vertical Plumbness
e. Condition of Paintjob
f. Condition of hinges – chrome
g. Condition of hinges – screws
h. Condition of knob – chrome
2. Walls
a. Paint finish condition
b. Evenness of plaster
c. Condition of baseboard
d. Check for squareness
e. Check for vertical plumbness
3. Floor
a. Condition of 4x12 Narra Flooring – adhesion to substrate
b. Condition of 4x12 Narra Flooring – Swirl marks
c. Condition of 4x12 Narra Flooring – Evenness
d. Condition of Baseboard
4. Windows
a. Check Squareness
b. Plumbness
c. Operation of Windows
d. Gasket Condition
e. Glass Condition
f. Insect Screen condition
g. Check paint finish for scratches
5. Ceiling
a. Evenness of plaster
b. Joint Finish
c. Paint finish condition
d. Verify levelness of ceiling
e. Check for cracks
f. Check for cement plaster adhesion
6. Electricals
a. Check condition of lighting fixture/s
b. Check Operation of Light Switches
c. Verify Quantity of convenience outlet (one duplex outlet every 8 feet of wall)
d. Check for symmetry of installed lighting fixtures
e. Check Coverplates for Damage
f. Check telephone outlet (1ea)
g. Check for cable tv outlet
a. Open random outlets (2 ea) and check for
i. THWN 3.5mm Wire (2ea)
ii. THWN Green Ground Wire (1ea)
iii. Check voltage/tightness of connection
iv. Check insulation resistance of wires
h. Check for existence of heat detector

Living/Dining Room Checklist
1. Main Door
a. Solid wood frame ?
b. Wood veneer inserts panels?
c. Check door for Squareness
d. Vertical Plumbness
e. Condition of Paintjob
f. Condition of hinges – chrome
g. Condition of hinges – screws
h. Condition of knob – chrome
2. Terrace Door
a. Painted Aluminum ?
b. Condition of Glass?
c. Check door for Squareness
d. Vertical Plumbness
e. Condition of Paintjob
f. Condition of hinges – chrome
g. Condition of hinges – screws
h. Condition of knob – chrome
3. Windows
a. Check Squareness
b. Plumbness
c. Operation of Windows
d. Gasket Condition
e. Glass Condition
f. Insect Screen condition
4. Walls
a. Paint finish condition
b. Evenness of plaster
c. Condition of baseboard
d. Vertical plumbness
e. Condition of paint finish
5. Floor
a. Condition of 4x12 Narra Flooring – adhesion to substrate
b. Condition of 4x12 Narra Flooring – Swirl marks
c. Condition of 4x12 Narra Flooring – Evenness
d. Condition of Baseboard
1. Ceiling
a. Evenness of plaster
b. Joint Finish
c. Paint finish condition
2. Electricals
a. Check condition of lighting fixture/s
b. Check Operation of Light Switches
c. Verify Quantity of convenience outlet (one duplex outlet every 8 feet of wall)
d. Check for symmetry of installed lighting fixtures
e. Check Coverplates for Damage
f. Check telephone outlet (1ea)
g. Check for cable tv outlet
a. Open random outlets (2 ea) and check for
i. THWN 3.5mm Wire (2ea)
ii. THWN Green Ground Wire (1ea)
iii. Check voltage/tightness of connection
iv. Check insulation resistance of wires
h. Check for existence of heat detector

Kitchen Checklist

1. Countertops
a. Material – Natural stone ?
b. Levelness
c. Squareness
d. Evenness of finish
2. Kitchen sink
a. Check for centeredness
b. Caulked all around ? Gasketed ?
c. Condition of plumbing hardware
d. Check water pressure
e. Check for leaks
f. Check for completeness of gate valves
3. Cabinet
a. Squareness
b. Vertical Plumbness
c. Levelness of cabinet shelves
d. Condition of hardware – chrome
e. Condition of hardware – screws
f. Condition of melamine finish
note thickness
g. Condition of melamine edge finish (note thickness)
4. Floor
a. Condition of 400mm x 400 mm Ceramic Tiles – adhesion to substrate
b. Condition of 400mm x 400 mm Ceramic Tiles – Evenness
c. Floor Drain Slope, correctness
d. Baseboard
5. Ceiling
a. Evenness of gyp ceiling
b. Material Type MR ?
c. Joint Finish
d. Paint finish condition
6. Walls
a. Paint finish condition
b. Evenness of plaster
c. Condition of baseboard
d. Vertical plumbness
e. Condition of paint finish
7. Electricals
a. Check condition of lighting fixtures
b. Check Operation of Light Switch
c. Check operation of exhaust vent
d. Check Centeredness of installed fixtures
e. Check for Convenience Outlets
f. Check for Ref Outlet (verify size of wire installed)
g. Check for Oven Outlet (verify size of wire installed and circuit breaker size)
h. Check Coverplates for Damage
i. Open random outlet and check for
i. Size 3.5mm Wire (2 ea)
ii. Green Ground Wire (1ea)
iii. Check voltage/tightness of connection
j. Check for rate of rise heat detector
k. Check operation of guest annunciator

General Electrical Checklist
1. Convenience Outlets
a. Check Plates
b. Check Gounding Wire
c. Check for power
2. Switches
a. Check operation
3. Power Panel
a. Open and check for grounding bus
b. Check proper torque of wires
c. Check for workmanlike termination of wires (reject if “spaghetti wiring is observed”
d. Note for proper marking of branches
e. Meg check wires (insulation resistance)
f. Note Size of main circuit breaker
g. Note size of branch circuit breakers
h. Verify existence of spare circuit breaker
4.
5. Note location of outlets and switches
6. Note rating of CBs for Aircons
7. Ask for option of A/C for maids rm
8. Note location of provisions for split types
9. Check circuit breaker and wire of water heater provision

My wife and I are trying to make a list of items to bring back to the Philippines from the US or overseas post turn-over that you cannot or will have a hard time finding in the Philippines. Can someone help?

^^ i love your avatar!! :okay: :colgate:

1. PS3 and Wii! :lol:

seriously, they're a lot more expensive here :colgate:

2. appliances are really cheap in the US compared to here but unless they're auto-volt you might find it inconvenient to use 110 volt appliances. you have to buy transformers in order to use them and these consume power as long as they're plugged into a power outlet even when the appliance is not in use.

3. lamp fixtures. there are a lot more to choose from in the US, IMO. you can always use a 220 volt bulb in them anyways.


IMO, unless you have some extra special needs, you will find most, if not all, that you will need here... just that you'll have to spend some time shopping around for them and, depending on the items, they can be a lot more expensive here but more convenient on your part as you don't have to pack and carry or ship the stuff over.

hey lauren!

yes, i already purchased the wii. i know... i was surprised to see how much more expensive a wii is there. I don't know about the PS3. I have one here in the US as well as a wii, but I'm not sure if we'd use it as much. I may have to bring the PS3 next year.

i really want to bring all the other appliances from here, but i'll have to pay for shipping. i like the fridge in the states better. i'm definitely buying the TVs from here. I'll just ship it from here LBC style.

Lamp fixtures? i never thought about that. I'm not really sure how it will fit in and what style. i saw some in the model units and I thought they were pretty cool. there are a lot of lighting stores here. I'll check it out.

Thanks!

^^ i love your avatar!! :okay: :colgate:

Haha I guess our friend here took my suggestion to change his angry monkey avatar. :colgate: And it's now a smiling ahhhh - what animal is that by the way? A cow? :lol:



1. PS3 and Wii! :lol:

seriously, they're a lot more expensive here :colgate:

2. appliances are really cheap in the US compared to here but unless they're auto-volt you might find it inconvenient to use 110 volt appliances. you have to buy transformers in order to use them and these consume power as long as they're plugged into a power outlet even when the appliance is not in use.

3. lamp fixtures. there are a lot more to choose from in the US, IMO. you can always use a 220 volt bulb in them anyways.

IMO, unless you have some extra special needs, you will find most, if not all, that you will need here... just that you'll have to spend some time shopping around for them and, depending on the items, they can be a lot more expensive here but more convenient on your part as you don't have to pack and carry or ship the stuff over.

Yup, you should make sure that your appliances are of the 220V or autovolt variety. And I hope the additional shipping cost won't offset the savings of buying it in the US then bringing them over here to the Pinas.

A lot of patience

A sense of humour

An open mind

these will allow you to survive in the Philippine coming in from the US.

humility

A lot of patience

A sense of humour

An open mind

these will allow you to survive in the Philippine coming in from the US.

humility

These are not considered items but yeah you should "bring" these with you too.:)

humility

Opo dok, pag-uwi ko magdadala ako ng maraming san kakutak na humilidad! ;)

A lot of patience

A sense of humour

An open mind

these will allow you to survive in the Philippine coming in from the US.


Best advise!! I couldn't agree more.

humility

are you implying fil-ams lack humility :ohno:

talk about ****

^^ I think I hear what they are saying. Some Fil-Ams that go back home are very proud, boastful and lack respect towards the less fortunate. My wife is Thai, but is born and raised in the states. She's been to the Philippines. Believe me she would try to help everyone if she could. She's very open minded. It was a bit of a culture shock for her during her 1st visit, but I think she understands it more now. She's seen the good the bad and the ugly. She loves the country and that's why we decided to spend some dough on a vacation home there.

Please let's stay on topic. I am looking for items to bring back from the states. I hear people tell me to bring bed covers, linens, towels, etc. My wife is leaving here on Monday and we're shopping for things to bring back that would be hard to find in the Philippines or would cost more there. Any input would be apreciated greatly! Thanks!

^^ i'd like to add just one other thing - good mattresses! of course, that's if you're particular about them and won't mind going through the trouble of shipping them over.

yes, i thought about that. Are mattresses expensive there? How's the quality?

I think you can buy pretty much everything in the country. Last time I was there, I went with my sister to do some furniture shopping, I tell you, the prices are more than reasonable and the quality and design are very good. But if you must have some really good stuff, HK is just an hour away - and DHL door-to-door charges from HK are very reasonable. Have fun!

@stlito, lots of mattresses to choose from here - both imported and locally made. the local ones are cheap but if you'll end up picking a US made mattress & will be shipping other stuff from there anyways... what's another box.

well, i know i didn't specify, but i was thinking more of bringing things that we can fit in suitcases or balikbaya boxes. Maybe I can ask mayor vic to split a container with me. :okay: For not, i'm thinking of buying the bigger items in the philippines except for the TVs and other electronics.

I think you can buy pretty much everything in the country. Last time I was there, I went with my sister to do some furniture shopping, I tell you, the prices are more than reasonable and the quality and design are very good. But if you must have some really good stuff, HK is just an hour away - and DHL door-to-door charges from HK are very reasonable. Have fun!

Can you give me some advise on where to buy furniture? I have a friend that has a furniture manifacturing business, but it may take too long...at least 30 days. My wife is looking for instant gratification since she's only there less than 3 weeks.

^^ there are a number of furniture stores at the malls (glorietta, mega mall, power plant, GB5 and shang) where you can buy furnitures off the floor or have them delivered.


well, i know i didn't specify, but i was thinking more of bringing things that we can fit in suitcases or balikbaya boxes. Maybe I can ask mayor vic to split a container with me. :okay: For not, i'm thinking of buying the bigger items in the philippines except for the TVs and other electronics.


^^ then that's pretty much it - just the tv and electronics. don't bother lugging the towels and linens :nuts: we've good quality 750ct - 1000ct here :okay:

yes, i thought about that. Are mattresses expensive there? How's the quality?

Marami nga sa Pinas na matrresses na pagpipilian, but we always bring home bed sheet covers, white linens and towels na makapal na cottons and as protection on balikbayan boxes. One time lang kami nag dala ng comforters... hehehe, bad move, halos na occupy yung kahon. :lol:
I also think you can buy most of the items you need in Pinas. Nakakadismaya when you brought a household item, tapos it is much cheaper in Robinson's or some imported goods store there.
Pag nag sale nga dito sa Wal-Mart or Ikea, kung puwede lang dalhin sa Pinas lahat, dadalhin ko na. :D

Also, don't forget to bring home your libo-libong dolyare$!!!

(yung old navy na rubber sandals, nagdala kami ng marami, ni hindi ako naka-gamit, na "thank you" kaagad) na pabili tuloy ako sa palengke. :lol:

yes, i thought about that. Are mattresses expensive there? How's the quality?

Sir, I would recommend Tempur Mattresses at Boni High Street. Guaranteed, your missus will never want to leave the bed.

^^ there are a number of furniture stores at the malls (glorietta, mega mall, power plant, GB5 and shang) where you can buy furnitures off the floor or have them delivered.

^^ then that's pretty much it - just the tv and electronics. don't bother lugging the towels and linens :nuts: we've good quality 750ct - 1000ct here :okay:

Sir I would recommend B&B italia near citibank makati, Dexterton at the former BA Lepanto Building at paseo de roxas, Furnitalia at west crescent park, or maybe Loft Details at libis.

The guards do not allow furniture bought at SM into Fort Boni condos :lol:

Sir, I would recommend Tempur Mattresses at Boni High Street. Guaranteed, your missus will never want to leave the bed.



Sir I would recommend B&B italia near citibank makati, Dexterton at the former BA Lepanto Building at paseo de roxas, Furnitalia at west crescent park, or maybe Loft Details at libis.

The guards do not allow furniture bought at SM into Fort Boni condos :lol:


they sell furnitures at SM too??? that's news!

Sir, I would recommend Tempur Mattresses at Boni High Street. Guaranteed, your missus will never want to leave the bed.



Sir I would recommend B&B italia near citibank makati, Dexterton at the former BA Lepanto Building at paseo de roxas, Furnitalia at west crescent park, or maybe Loft Details at libis.

The guards do not allow furniture bought at SM into Fort Boni condos :lol:

how does SM furnitures looks like, ikea like? never know they sell furnitures too.

They're very affordable. Usually the SM furniture/home department is at the basement. They sell beds, tables, closets, dining sets, sala sets along with pots, pans, and artificial flowers. They are IKEA Like in the sense that they need some assembly. But they are Ikea Not because they're made with prison labor :).

they sell furnitures at SM too??? that's news!

Yeah, I saw some at the hallways of Megamall attended by SM sales staff. Pretty cheap quality IMO.

I also do furnitures. :) Basic & customization.

We did the furnitures in this SOMA unit project:
http://stephenpdavid.multiply.com/photos/album/13/Interior_Design_-_Actual_Completed_Projects

Does anyone know what size of TV is taxed by customs? I'm planning to send one with my wife and then ship another one.

^^ hey, Lito... i suggest you have a chat with Bart about that. good to have that sort of info first hand ;)

They're very affordable. Usually the SM furniture/home department is at the basement. They sell beds, tables, closets, dining sets, sala sets along with pots, pans, and artificial flowers. They are IKEA Like in the sense that they need some assembly. But they are Ikea Not because they're made with prison labor :).

Yeah, I saw some at the hallways of Megamall attended by SM sales staff. Pretty cheap quality IMO.


ah, ok. well, different people have different tastes AND budgets... IMO choices at the malls for ready made furnitures can range from those cheap furnitures to the "Imeldific" sort. better to check out the furnitures stores, not the department stores. Shang has a good assortment. Also Power Plant, Glorietta and Greenbelt, IMO.

ikea! there's a guy bringing in ikea furniture here, same price as the catalogue (hong kong one).

Does anyone know what size of TV is taxed by customs? I'm planning to send one with my wife and then ship another one.

I don't think the size of the TV matters. I was taxed at the airport for a 15" flat panel TV. They wanted to see my receipt, but I didn't have it so they based the tax on the price that I said I bought it for (at a clearance sale).

I don't think the size of the TV matters. I was taxed at the airport for a 15" flat panel TV. They wanted to see my receipt, but I didn't have it so they based the tax on the price that I said I bought it for (at a clearance sale).

Forgive my ignorance, are TV stations broadcasting in high-definition in the Philippines? I was not paying attention when I was there last year.

They're very affordable. Usually the SM furniture/home department is at the basement. They sell beds, tables, closets, dining sets, sala sets along with pots, pans, and artificial flowers. They are IKEA Like in the sense that they need some assembly. But they are Ikea Not because they're made with prison labor :).

and what prison labor has to do with ikea? ok so the reason why ididn't noticed that in SM.

ikea! there's a guy bringing in ikea furniture here, same price as the catalogue (hong kong one).

why still bring ikea furnitures to the philippines if it's available there. if like my friend maybe who was assigned here and have a free container shipping of 250k+ from her company then i think it's worth to bring these bulks. She bought everything needed in her house anyway shipping is free.

How about LCD TV, is it really expensive there in the Philippines so is it really worth to buy outside and carry it with you?

if one prefer buying online here's some website:
http://www.dexterton.com.ph/view_subtype.php?cat_id=2&subcat_id=6
http://www.boconcept.com.ph/

What about a New Laptop

i'm thinking of bringing laptops too but can you hand carry 2 laptops at the same time without being taxed at the airport? i have 1 for personal use and thinking of bringing one for my bro.

^^ Just take it out of the box and put it in a laptop bag. I always bring mine in and out. I'm not sure about a 2nd laptop though.

I've never been stopped by customs. They never open my baggages and they usually just let me through.

yeah i'm thinking of that too but can it be not detected in the xray? there's no problem with bringing one laptop since i've been carrying mine too but just afraid for the 2nd one. if you pay taxes will the total cost end up the same as buying there?

your luggage are NOT x-rayed upon arrival.

put both laptops in your hand carry luggage. even if they inspect your luggage and find two laptops, tell them one is for personal use and the other is for work. i've done it a few times before (when i really brought a laptop from work). no problem at all.

Forgive my ignorance, are TV stations broadcasting in high-definition in the Philippines? I was not paying attention when I was there last year.
short answer: no

^^ actually, sky cable is now offering HD service at selected areas... i think magallanes is one of those since about a month ago

That's great news. Watching TV is on HD is fabulous. Hopefully HD will be available on more channels and more areas of PI. Particularly at BGC.

yup ain't nothing like watching eat bulaga in so clear a fashion... ;)

yes, i thought about that. Are mattresses expensive there? How's the quality?


Hi there, did I read it right that you guys are moving into a condominium building? So I assume you will be running your airconditioning constantly, right? Well, I ran into an interesting article about how one can prevent dust mites from "living" in mattresses in such an environment by using dust mite impermeable bed covers. You should consider bringing this back to Pinas.

Also, you should bring air purifier or ionizer - these can help you control the level of any allergen in your condominium unit. You can also buy here in the states air filters for airconditioning units. I'm not sure if these kinds of products are available in Pinas.

I remember about this stuff cause my allergy kicks up a couple of notches everytime I travel to the Phils. Hopefully you and your wife don't have this kind of problem.

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1398-9995.2004.00470.x?cookieSet=1

^^ Thanks! My wife just left last night for PI to buy appliances and furnish our unit at the Grand hamptons. We don't intend to live there permanently, but use it as a vacation home. I'm actually the exact opposite when it comes to allergies. My allergies are terrible here during this time, but I seem to not get them in the Philippines. That may be because we're allergic to different things. Thanks for the dust mites repellant idea. This should help a lot.

yup ain't nothing like watching eat bulaga in so clear a fashion... ;)

My dad has tfc direct here and I'd tell you the girls of wowowee would look a lot better in HD. :banana::lol:

^^ actually, sky cable is now offering HD service at selected areas... i think magallanes is one of those since about a month ago

and what programming is offered in HD?

and what programming is offered in HD?


from what i hear, cable channels with HD from HK and Sing like Star, AXN & Sky's Lifestyle & Hero. definitely no kapamilya or kapuso in HD :lol:

^^sana maging available sa fort :)

mahuhuli nanaman ang Pilipinas sa Technology. Here sa states, they will stop transmiting in standard definition on February 2009. Sana Philppines will follow soon. There's really a big difference.

your luggage are NOT x-rayed upon arrival.

put both laptops in your hand carry luggage. even if they inspect your luggage and find two laptops, tell them one is for personal use and the other is for work. i've done it a few times before (when i really brought a laptop from work). no problem at all.

thanks for sharing, will do this next time.

Well, we ended up not bringing a TV due to not know how much we'll be taxed. I'll just ship using a cargo carrier.

My wife does say though that large thick cotton towels and high count bed sheets cost more there. Tsinoy is right about using the towels to use as protection for your baggage. We did the same. She also says finding things are not as easy as here where we can just go to bed, bath and beyond or linens and things to find home supplies and things.

In general higher end items like that are harder to find or more expensive. ON the other hand you can also order through the net through companies like these www.e-2-door.com, which will quote you a local price (in pesos) delivered to your door fully tax paid etc.

^^ Thanks, I'll check it out.

a friend of mine brought ORB AUDIO SPEAKER SYSTEM (4 speakers per channel) plus a powerful amplifier from USA WOW!!!!! ang galing ng tunog. Nag mukhang sisiw yung bose speaker system ko (bose 901 series VI, bose am 7 and bose am3)

Given a chance to go to USA I will check this ORB Audio System and kung kaya ng budget ko BUY.

^^ Yeah I like the sound of the Orb mini sat system especially in smaller size space/unit. Sound reminds me of the classic Canton and ADS mini sat set-up of old more so than Bose sats. Of course the Orb, like the Gallo speakers, just doesn't sound very good but also looks very sexy with those industrial looking sphere enclosure. Fits in really well with the condo living concept. :okay: :okay:

When they installed my drop ceiling, I had them run speaker wires so that I can install in-ceiling speakers. I'm wondering if a 2.1 system would work since we can't really turn up our volume as loud as want because of our next wall neighbors.

^^ 2.1 would be ok Lito but you will not be able to take full advantage of surround sound technology when watching films/movies. Need not turn the volume way up to experience surround sound. You'll still hear the difference at low volume talaga. So I guess it all depends on your listening/viewing habits. If you are not too particular then 2.1 should be ok especially if you are more of a music/cd lover but if you are a movie/dvd/blu-ray fanatic, 5.1 will be the minimum set-up to be able to get that home/movie theater type experience. I think the mini sat system like the Orb is small enough in size not to be intrusive and yet sound quite well. I've also seen/heard those single box (single array) speaker system that supposedly incorporates the front, center and surround sound speaker functions in one box. The speaker mimics surround sound (not true dolby nor dts) by tricking the ear which is why I'm not a fan of the technology, they don't work well (just my opinion only of course). Anyway just something to think about. Hope this helps some Lito. :)

^^ Actually, that's what I meant. The Bose Cinemate(2.1) surround sounds pretty good. I also like the theater experience with either Dolby, DTS, or THX, but I'm just leary of turning the sound too high.

YOu can always try soundproofing the walls though this may be too much of a hassle for you.

^^ Actually, that's what I meant. The Bose Cinemate(2.1) surround sounds pretty good. I also like the theater experience with either Dolby, DTS, or THX, but I'm just leary of turning the sound too high. ^^ Ahh ok. You meant Bose 2.1 Cinemate system pala while I thought you meant 2 sat speakers with a sub; thus 2.1 system. Hehehe... :lol: :lol: :lol:

sir bustero, you have always the best ideas, can you kindly give us more about turnover requirements.

Hello, new here. Just wanna know if anybody here ever had the same problem as we're having now. Husband and I bought GH Tower II unit with me using my maiden name. Someone in BDO made a mistake and put my name using my husband's surname. Now they want me to present identification with that name, which I don't have. This is causing MAJOR complications with us selling the unit - from doing the SPA for our broker to the issuance of CCT. I've emailed Gibson to fix this internally but he hasn't replied. Can't an Affidavit of One and the Same suffice? What to do???

Ask BDO if they will accept. Although I didnt need yet the use for the same affidavit, Im still using my maiden name. I had one made, just in case.

When do we start paying the 'amilyar' or the annual real estate tax? Is it when we have fully paid our condo?

Anyone can advise me what to do? My unit "actual" measurement is more than what it says in my CTS. They explain it to me that it is architects fault for some reasons. I'm shocked, it is 4.7sqm more. As a gratitude of goodwill they will not bill the 3 sqm but 1.7 sqm to my account. We will do re-measurement to see if it is true. How they get in to my unit while Im away? The unit and the KEY has been turned over to me since 2010 Dec and never been home. They've just informed me about the problem. Any good ideas what to do?