I had never thought about a downtown area Target, but that would be great. I would really like to see a large urban oriented development like that on one of the vacant lots on Academy Street. There seems to be a lot of land around there which is ripe for development. This location would extend the downtown area, and would obviously require something urban with a parking garage. I wonder what it would take for us to pull this off? :)

I also see us easily able to support a second Starbucks downtown. What about having one near the Hyatt at the corner of Main and Beattie?

I Can pull a few strings to try to get a message from target because I really think you guys can support another targest if Spartanburg can. Im a visionary so I do stuff like this all the time. I e-mail target and ask are they intersted in another location there they say we are looking at other areas without our stores and but we would be intersted in other stores in youre area. At one time a company really did a serious email to me about a movie theater in a downtown location but something happend to my computer and messed me up.

I had never thought about a downtown area Target, but that would be great. I would really like to see a large urban oriented development like that on one of the vacant lots on Academy Street. There seems to be a lot of land around there which is ripe for development. This location would extend the downtown area, and would obviously require something urban with a parking garage. I wonder what it would take for us to pull this off? :)

I also see us easily able to support a second Starbucks downtown. What about having one near the Hyatt at the corner of Main and Beattie?

What would it take for us to pull that off? Just as long as it doesn't involve Bob Ellis or Mark Kent then not much. :lol: Something similar to McBee Station or Riverplace would be nice. Another Starbuck's? :uh: :cry:

A Starbucks in the bottom of the Ogletree building would get people to cross Beattie. But, that's right, this building has no retail on the ground level... :bash:

A Starbucks in the bottom of the Ogletree building would get people to cross Beattie. But, that's right, this building has no retail on the ground level... :bash:

Neither does that parking lot next to it. :bash:

YES ANOTHER G-MAN ANOTHER. :lol: BUT I WOULD LIKE IT TO RESEMBLE MORE A FLAGSHIP STARBUCKS FOR THE EAST COAST. We really already have two Flagships in downtown michelin (not classified as a flagship but seems to be one due to it being the worlds first and only) and dd is opening a offical flagship so starbucks is good, we need to aim at one department store flagship. If target were to build in downtown where should it be and how should it look historic, modern, suburban (HELL NO). In fact downtown is already working on two other starbucks Main at Mcbee (i think thats the one on hold thats 7 levels correct me if im wrong on the name of the building) and Courtyard by Marriot is planning a starbucks breakfest location. so that will be three already so a 4th would be preety hard to do. If there were a new shopping area in downtown built i would like for it to include Barnes and Nobels (relocation from laurens road), Target that would be around 90,000 to 130,000 sq ft, starbucks (flagship), waffle house (for you g-man but im just playing), a 15,000 sq ft grocery store( to total downtown with 2 grocery stores), I wish ikea would build locations that dosent have furniture in it but just a order center or a satillite location for charlotte's new ikea, one or two out let stores, and lots of upscale local stores and restaurants, or maybe greenville's second ruth chris's (this could really happen though because downtown is a regional draw so it could support one, and the other could be for more locals). what do you say i dont live there so the closet thing i can look at is live maps for locations. :cheers:

We're getting a flagship Dunkin Donuts downtown that will open within the next month or two. :) There is a Starbuck's for Courtyard by Marriott. I forgot about that. Stick Target in TIC's development I say. :D

THEY CALL ME INFO....INFOMAN *LOL*

WE NEED TO ADD 10 NEW GAS STATIONS DOWNTOWN SO THEY WILL SIT EMPTY AND MAKE US LOOK STUPIT YEAH. I MEANT NO.

THEY CALL ME INFO....INFOMAN *LOL*

Ok. Raleigh-NC, where did you find this guy? :lol: See what happens when kids get out of high school. They go on the forums and start acting like g-man. :D

im new here but ive been looking at the post since 2006 because i didnt want to join, but what is this project called chicora (mispelled i think).

im new here but ive been looking at the post since 2006 because i didnt want to join, but what is this project called chicora (mispelled i think).

Chicora is an eight story condominium building proposed for Rhett Street between River Street and Camperdown Way. The sales center which is located on Main Street in the West End next to Munchies should open later this month.

What tower should be renovated the most in downtown (besides landmark tower).

so are there renderings for it. and why arent you guys making it a big deal like 6 story courtyard marriot. (lots of questions have to be asked to get a answer thats my motto)

so are there renderings for it. and why arent you guys making it a big deal like 6 story courtyard marriot. (lots of questions have to be asked to get a answer thats my motto)

No renderings yet and because I don't feel like it.

This is what we need downtown: http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_news/story/659432.html :drunk: :naughty: :master: When is the Pinnacle on Main going to start construction infoman?

g-man, you fish starts to stink... You'd better get out there and take some photos... If it is too hot for you, read this article (http://sports.espn.go.com/travel/news/story?id=3244659) first.

never Bob Ellis is going to fake death so he can say the project is off. LOL.

g-man, you fish starts to stink... You'd better get out there and take some photos... If it is too hot for you, read this article (http://sports.espn.go.com/travel/news/story?id=3244659) first.

I should slap you and your penguin for posting something I posted months ago. :bash: :cry:

never Bob Ellis is going to fake death so he can say the project is off. LOL.

Even the teenagers in high school are smart. :D

never Bob Ellis is going to fake death so he can say the project is off. LOL.

Even the teenagers in high school are smart. :D

For some reason I know they are going to start construction next year on atleast 2 towers downtown I just can feel it there is no way possible one of the nations most succesful downtown (better than raleighs with respect) not build any towers its just not possible. how many towers have been shot down we should have noticed with The Falls Tower by Bob Ellis I think may not be the right name but it was 25 levels I think. Downtown skyline looks nice in some pics. But I was just wondering when is the last time we built a highrise (12 levels +) or even better yet the last highrise was built in spartanburg it think in the 90s that means we need to step our game up. I think this happend not just because of the econmy but overbuilding proposing to much the caused a bust in the market, this can really happen I belive this happpend in Augusta, GA. I was thinking about this when I went to Greenville in March when we were driving on Old Sulphur Road one of the towers are going to come up first because if the sign is already up for one highrise that means it has to be built soon (if it wasnt it would have said a future office park) and it does say hotel i belive, and G-Man you did metion that their is another hotel in the works at Verdae so this could be it. what do you guys think i can put two with two i got to know how im from Baltimorel LOL

G-man it is the perfect plan for him to say f**k Greenville and move to Charlotte and give them more height increases.

im not saying f**k greenville but Bob Ellis. OKAY. G-man I read somethings in the Kentucky thread and they HATE you if you say anything bad. Does this bring back memories (you guys are losing jobs at ford while we are gaing jobs at bmw) they come back and say basiclly f**k you dont ever get on our thread agian.

For some reason I know they are going to start construction next year on atleast 2 towers downtown I just can feel it there is no way possible one of the nations most succesful downtown (better than raleighs with respect) not build any towers its just not possible. how many towers have been shot down we should have noticed with The Falls Tower by Bob Ellis I think may not be the right name but it was 25 levels I think. Downtown skyline looks nice in some pics. But I was just wondering when is the last time we built a highrise (12 levels +) or even better yet the last highrise was built in spartanburg it think in the 90s that means we need to step our game up. I think this happend not just because of the econmy but overbuilding proposing to much the caused a bust in the market, this can really happen I belive this happpend in Augusta, GA. I was thinking about this when I went to Greenville in March when we were driving on Old Sulphur Road one of the towers are going to come up first because if the sign is already up for one highrise that means it has to be built soon (if it wasnt it would have said a future office park) and it does say hotel i belive, and G-Man you did metion that their is another hotel in the works at Verdae so this could be it. what do you guys think i can put two with two i got to know how im from Baltimorel LOL

Peacock for bolded part or something else?

What never mind. This was said about a month ago by you "There is a upscale hotel coming to The Verdae, Millienim Campus area". So I saw a sign and put two on two. new hotel, new tower w/sign saying new hotel with hq anything clicking. and what do you mean Peacock. thats downtown or is that a word I just dont use?

G-MAN what do you mean Peacock

What never mind. This was said about a month ago by you "There is a upscale hotel coming to The Verdae, Millienim Campus area". So I saw a sign and put two on two. new hotel, new tower w/sign saying new hotel with hq anything clicking. and what do you mean Peacock. thats downtown or is that a word I just dont use?

Oh, ok. I got you now. The Peacock is a hotel proposed for downtown. That's what I was referring to.

I know that but you said on another post that there will be a new hotel at verdae anythink clicking ill find the page you said it on right now

This was on page 164/165

According to the Greenville Journal, a new hotel could be coming to the Verdae project soon. Hope JB isn't referring to the Hilton Garden Inn under construction at the Point. I doubt he is though.

I like donuts too. :D

Got an e-mail responce from Rick Thoennes today. Concerning the "Gateway" proposal.

I’m sorry I can’t release any details of the project right now. Keep watching, things are progressing and we will release details when we are 100% certain of the final product.



Thanks,

well, ....... :runaway:

:hm:

At least it's still progressing... I doubt anyone's stimulus check will help them purchase one of those condos, so hopefully as the economy ticks upward a little this project will also be unveiled and break ground.

I got a response from Rick Thoennes today regarding the Gateway site (my original email to him was on May 30):

I’m sorry I can’t give you more information, but things are going well and progressing. We will not be releasing any renderings until we are 100% certain of the final product.

Thanks,

It was obviously very similar to yours, StevenW. :lol:

Even if we don't have renderings, it would have been nice to hear some sort of indication as to what they expect the project to be. Oh well. Keeping my fingers crossed on this one...

This great news I just know that Gateway Towers will go through because It has too. lol

Really keep our fingers crossed by glue, rubberbands, and donut pasty. lol

At least it's still progressing... I doubt anyone's stimulus check will help them purchase one of those condos...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I sure hope they weren't banking on it!

When do you guys think the third phase of riverplace will go through. I hope it includes a high-rise. with a IMAX, I want a movie theater at the woolsworth site.

When do you guys think the third phase of riverplace will go through. I hope it includes a high-rise. with a IMAX, I want a movie theater at the woolsworth site.

Isn't the city currently working with the developer to try to make phase II happen soon (since it essentially hinges on obtaining the money for a city-owned parking garage)? Otherwise, we recently heard it could be 2-3 years until it materializes.

Given that information, I assume phase III is at least several years away. Does anyone else know anything?

I would also enjoy an IMAX or traditional movie theater downtown. Even a small one with 4-6 screens (which would carry the newest movies, obviously) would be great. I don't know if the Woolworth site developers are targeting a movie theater there, but if they aren't hopefully someone else is for another downtown site.

oh thats right phase 2 isnt finished yet section is a of phase two is but not b. but it think it s around a year and a half away. I would be happy with 4 screens to 8 screens. But no one knows whats going on with the woolworth site only the developers so they could be aiming for a movie theater.

Regarding the gateway site, I thought they already were 100% sure of the final product. Did I miss something? :dunno:

You know what we need downtown and lots large u.s. cities are getting in downtown? A Bowling Ally. (needs to be very upscale to make sure it dosent go down the tubes).

:D

• Ground broken today on new office tower

Developers will break ground this morning on Columbia’s next high-rise, Main & Gervais.

The tenants and co-owners of the 18-story office tower will be Edens & Avant, National Bank of South Carolina and McNair Law Firm. The $60 million building should be built by 2010.

At least it's still progressing... I doubt anyone's stimulus check will help them purchase one of those condos, so hopefully as the economy ticks upward a little this project will also be unveiled and break ground.

The economy ticking upward? Where have you been? If anything, it's dropping like a rock.

G-MAN its opposite day in his world when the econmy is down he is happy when its up well do I have to say it.

SPLAT

Regarding the gateway site, I thought they already were 100% sure of the final product. Did I miss something? :dunno:

I honestly believe a lot of developers all over the Nation are not really sure yet of what their "final product" will be. A lot of delays everywhere. This economy sucks. :(

I should slap you and your penguin for posting something I posted months ago. :bash: :cry:
Maybe you should read the articles you post ;) By the way, g-man, why do you care about the economy? It's not as if you work and pay taxes. Besides, you are the one responsible for ANY problems out there, including the gas prices :bash:

Raleigh-NC youre right its his fault.

its time to strike

isnt the hyatt hotel the largest hotel in greenville with 337 rooms. I wish they would build (not the hyatt company but any company) a 500 room hotel

The economy ticking upward? Where have you been? If anything, it's dropping like a rock.

I'm saying that when it does tick upward, hopefully it will coincide with them unveiling the details on the exact number of units, prices, the hotel brand, and the look of the buildings...

The economy is still growing as of last month, with .9% growth in GDP. And yesterday, the Federal Reserve chair said that he believes we've seen the worst of this slump. So, if we've seen the worst, which hasn't even given us ONE negative growth rate in GDP, then we're not doing too poorly (it takes two back to back to qualify as a recession). Obviously, no one can say for sure if it's turning around or not, but it's definitely encouraging.

"take a course in economics" -gman:lol:

So the econmy cant get any worst I think or econmy was doing the best in 2005 ,2006,and early 2007. what do you guys think

what exactly do you think we need in downtown

Maybe you should read the articles you post ;) By the way, g-man, why do you care about the economy? It's not as if you work and pay taxes. Besides, you are the one responsible for ANY problems out there, including the gas prices :bash:

I'm sorry. Will you forgive me? :D

I'm saying that when it does tick upward, hopefully it will coincide with them unveiling the details on the exact number of units, prices, the hotel brand, and the look of the buildings...

The economy is still growing as of last month, with .9% growth in GDP. And yesterday, the Federal Reserve chair said that he believes we've seen the worst of this slump. So, if we've seen the worst, which hasn't even given us ONE negative growth rate in GDP, then we're not doing too poorly (it takes two back to back to qualify as a recession). Obviously, no one can say for sure if it's turning around or not, but it's definitely encouraging.

"take a course in economics" -gman:lol:

Then why isn't the Point getting built? :cry: :pet:

In response to Infoman:

I think we need a reliable and frequent trolley route to circulate people in our urban core. I know we have one, but it doesn't run all the time. A street car system could be nice instead, too. If you work in the Liberty Square towers but would like to have lunch in the West End, you've got a ways to walk on a hot summer day. Lunch-time service would at least be nice IMO, in addition to the nightly service. Something that would take you to Heritage Green, Prospect Hill, McBee Station, etc would be nice. Perhaps in addition to the Main Street line, a City Center Loop route could be developed for Lunch time use? Just an idea, nothing pressing.

I'd also like to see more residential to increase the downtown population.

An urban drugstore would be nice.

More artist space like Arts Crossing at Riverplace.

I'd like to see a Waffle House. :nocrook:

a street car system is brilliant. Baltimore is getting one. its nice but not to exspensive. Waffle House is nothing (lol dont me to hurt youre fish fins). I didnt know our downtown population was was higher than greensboros and we have more hotel rooms we have close to 900 i belive while they have 400. we need more more i tell you espically if we want to be a destination downtown.

We can easly get a urban drug store I mean if we all just email cvs, walgreens, or rite-aid one will begin to look for all we know they already are.

a street car system is brilliant. Baltimore is getting one. its nice but not to exspensive. Waffle House is nothing (lol dont me to hurt youre fish fins). I didnt know our downtown population was was higher than greensboros and we have more hotel rooms we have close to 900 i belive while they have 400. we need more more i tell you espically if we want to be a destination downtown.

Don't we have slightly more hotel rooms in our CBD than Raleigh? Or am I confused?

yeah we do have more now but they have so much hotel rooms being pumped into their downtown market. Its sad because downtown raleigh is not to me a good destination like ours you have to say in the suburbs to have fun. Downtown Baltimore has over 64,000 hotel rooms .WOW. is the word for you

yeah we do have more now but they have so much hotel rooms being pumped into their downtown market. Its sad because downtown raleigh is not to me a good destination like ours you have to say in the suburbs to have fun. Downtown Baltimore has over 64,000 hotel rooms .WOW. is the word for you

Baltimore has done a great job revitalizing their downtown. I love the Inner Harbor. Plus, cool neighborhoods like Fells Point, Federal Hill and Canton are not too far away. It's understandable why Baltimore has so many hotels downtown, with business, sports, and tourism all thriving there.

Greenville is gaining hotel rooms at a good clip. The Courtyard will help, as will the Peacock. Riverplace phase II is supposed to include a new hotel, as is the Gateway development. :)

I know about all the proposal for hotels you just said but phase 2 of riverplace will have a hotel WOW

And thank you for saying baltimore has a nice harbor if anyone ever visits baltimore make sure you stay in that area.

And thank you for saying baltimore has a nice harbor if anyone ever visits baltimore make sure you stay in that area.

I am very familiar with Baltimore. My mom's side of the family is from B-more. I also spent a summer there a few years ago doing an internship. It's a cool city that has come a long way over the last 15-20 years. :)

In fact, I believe GvilleSC has mentioned that Greenville has sent delegations there in the past to get ideas on urban development. :okay:

You youngsters have no idea what a bad economy is.:ohno:

And thank you for saying baltimore has a nice harbor if anyone ever visits baltimore make sure you stay in that area.

Thanks to The Wire, I will never venture beyond the Inner Harbour/downtown the next time I'm in B'more...LOL.

my city is bad but we do have good areas outside the harbor but you have to travel into bad areas to get to them. The way the harbor is growing its good to take down the bad parts of the city surronding it.

So the econmy cant get any worst I think or econmy was doing the best in 2005 ,2006,and early 2007. what do you guys think
The economy has ALWAYS had its ups and downs. Sometimes, there are measures that seem unnecessary, but they pay off years down the road. It appears to me that the middle of every decade is a good time, at least as far as I can remember - not necessarily true in the 70's. At the end of 90's (1999 and 2000 to be more specific) things really went downhill with TOO MANY people losing jobs, particularly due to aggressive outsourcing and the dot coms. Tough times for us who were in the Information Technology field, and not only. Then we had 9/11, which put us even more behind, but we survived.

According to most experts, we are far from being in recession, but there is a mess we need to clean up. The whole lending industry is messed up and with the prices of the gasoline risen to record heights - remember,over 75% of what we pay covers the acquisition and about 15% goes to taxes - we should expect the situation to remain difficult, but not impossible to fix. Add the rising prices of the food - thanks to the whole ethanol promotion, and the cost of producing and transporting the goods - and then you see why projects are stalled, high-rises are canceled and Bob Ellis decided to become a Buddhist monk :rofl:

A buddhist monk? :uh: :master:

G-man you are a buddhist monk?

G-man you are a buddhist monk?

Nope. :D

Holy shit: http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/1105192.html :tiasd:

I just got done talking with somebody at TIC Properties. They are working with a "LARGE NATIONAL GROUP" that he said could really enhance this project. Expect some new quality retail not yet seen downtown and a few national tenants to be part of the project.

I just got done talking with somebody at TIC Properties. They are working with a "LARGE NATIONAL GROUP" that he said could really enhance this project. Expect some new quality retail not yet seen downtown and a few national tenants to be part of the project.

:banana:

TIC Properties seems to know what they are doing with the Woolworth redevelopment.

Didn't TIC also have a highrise planned downtown a few years ago? If I remember correctly it fell through rather quickly and never even made it to the renderings stage.

I don't think they did. :dunno: They're a fairly large company so this project shouldn't have any trouble getting off the ground. :) Third quarter 2008 is when announcement is scheduled for with construction starting in first quarter 2009. Completion is second quarter 2010.

I don't think they did. :dunno: They're a fairly large company so this project shouldn't have any trouble getting off the ground. :) Third quarter 2008 is when announcement is scheduled for with construction starting in first quarter 2009. Completion is second quarter 2010.

I must be thinking about PHC Communities, which was behind the Tower at Falls and Broad. I remember Ron Vergnolle saying in a newspaper article that the project was guaranteed to happen, and that he had the funding in place. :ohno:

I must be thinking about PHC Communities, which was behind the Tower at Falls and Broad. I remember Ron Vergnolle saying in a newspaper article that the project was guaranteed to happen, and that he had the funding in place. :ohno:

Don't you dare say that name around me. That's worse than Bob. :uh: I should slap you for even thinking about it. :lol:

So what you saying that G-Man construction will begin with in Jan, Feb, or March of next year and will have a finished product by April, May or June of 2010. The project cant be that big then if it takes that short timing unless you guys are going to take a lot of Dubai's workers and bring them here. if it were to include something big it would be atleast 2011 (i think). But if it does get built that fast horray and its big to horray agian. lol

Our tallest tower should be propsed with in 5 years with at least a crowning feature it seems like Columbia, and Greenville are the only cities in the Carolinas that dont have any crowning features (a big crown). Charleston doesnt count because they have a low skyline.

The Gateway tower better include a crowning feature.

Yeah. It's called the gateway site. :poke:

So what you saying that G-Man construction will begin with in Jan, Feb, or March of next year and will have a finished product by April, May or June of 2010. The project cant be that big then if it takes that short timing unless you guys are going to take a lot of Dubai's workers and bring them here. if it were to include something big it would be atleast 2011 (i think). But if it does get built that fast horray and its big to horray agian. lol

I meant delivered which is when the first part opens. Completion probably isn't until 2011-2012.

I know is called the Gateway site, but some of you guys call it the Gateway Tower. And stop poking me with that damn stick (lol)

:poke: It's the gateway site with two towers.

what is this say:
Third quarter 2008 is when announcement is scheduled for with construction starting in first quarter 2009. Completion is second quarter 2010.

u should have been more specific. I didnt know it had phases.

I know one being 25-27 levels the other being 14 levels. I was looking at these fourms when they were being proposed (not being mean).

Everything has phases. Even Raleigh-NC. :poke:

Well im tired of phases and that stick. I going to drive up to D.C. and go to the congress building and get them to approve no more phases everthing has to be built at one time (manhattanzation mispelled). LOL. but dang I forgot there is no more gas left LOL.

:poke: Why would you want no more phases? :poke:

Stick stick no more Sticks. LOL. I dont have a problem with phases but sometimes the second phase dosent go through.

Ritalin.....

StevenW=:cheer: I personally believe that US Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have maps and uhhh I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and uhhh the Iraq everywhere like such as and I believe that they should uhhh our education over here in the US should help the US or should help South Africa it should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future for.

Dang never mind were far from our 3000th post sorry for the inconvience. lol

StevenW=:cheer: I personally believe that US Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have maps and uhhh I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and uhhh the Iraq everywhere like such as and I believe that they should uhhh our education over here in the US should help the US or should help South Africa it should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future for.

Exactly.

Our tallest tower should be propsed with in 5 years with at least a crowning feature it seems like Columbia, and Greenville are the only cities in the Carolinas that dont have any crowning features (a big crown). Charleston doesnt count because they have a low skyline.

You could count Durham as well.

We Need a Downtown Convention Center, it would be very smart to build one But the carolina first center wouldnt be able to stand up to a new larger convention center.

well Durham too but they have some kind of a crown at there tallest building (glass structure I think) I know Greenville has a bigger skyline than Durham anyway. But I bet you theres could expand alot faster even though ours is better (by far).

krazeeboi are you the same one from urban planet.

Humuhumunukuapua'a and yes he is.

The Edison is a beauty why cant we just build one tower. does anyone the vacancy of class a office in dowwntown so I can guest the height of the building holder wants to build I hope its over 15 levels

Around nine percent is the current vacancy. That will soar though once Carolina First leaves. :(

Carolina First is HQ currently in Downtown?

If they are now I understand why you guys were so mad that they are building in the suburbs instead of downtown. but never know they still could build a tower in downtown to house something that they need off campus.

Carolina First is HQ currently in Downtown?

Yep.

Infoman, your signature is misleading when it comes to population size. Greenville's city limits are much smaller in land area than Baltimore City. As I'm sure you know, Baltimore City is its own entity, not included within any county. That changes things a bit, doesn't it? Perhaps you should use MSA population figures instead (especially since we're always having to educate people about city limit sizes in SC being misleading). :)

so there is about a high 200,000 low 300,000 needed so that is about 13 levels plus they would want enough to supply the future by at most 5 years so about 16 levels plus I hope they notice there is a resident demand so they would add to other levels, plus bottom level retail im guessing they would build something in the 15 to 23 level range also does the developer have a good rep. if so do they build towers because I went to there website today and looked over the carolinas and they built no towers in NC or SC?

oh god it makes you guys sound good I know the urban population of Baltimore is over 2 million you can combine all the major cities urban population in NC together and it wouldnt equal it (im evan going to give you guys a boost) charlotte 850,000+raleigh 550,000+Greensboro 270,000+Winston Salem 310,000=1,980,000 people. So im trying to make greenville look good.

^^ Where did you get 302,000? Greenville County alone is 415,000+.

on wikipedia it says Greenville, SC urban population is 302,000. plus Mauldin-Simpsonville are in there own with 78,000 people.

We Need a Downtown Convention Center, it would be very smart to build one But the carolina first center wouldnt be able to stand up to a new larger convention center.

I believe they should build the world's largest convention center. That way people would respect them and give them business and friendship. I think a convention center that can seat 200,000 people would be great. That way people all over the world would be jelus and fear Greenville.

While a downtown convention center might be nice, considering the City just spent a ton of money on the very large Carolina First Center, I don't think it's something to worry about. Besides, having things spread out in the way that they are, could possibly lead to greater use of mass transportation when it gets adequate service in terms of buses and BRT. If we create many hot spot destinations, people (visitors and locals alike) will have reason to use the services provided to hop from one to the other...

I think Downtown, CU-ICAR/Millennium Campus, Carolina First Center, Furman University, Woodruff Rd Shopping, etc can all help increase demand for mass transportation in Greenville. (The elements are there, whether it will happen or be taken advantage of is another thing).

We Need a Downtown Convention Center, it would be very smart to build one But the carolina first center wouldnt be able to stand up to a new larger convention center.

It wouldn't make sense to build a downtown convention center when Carolina First Center has undergone all of the renovations it's undergone. It would have been nice to see, though.

krazeeboi are you the same one from urban planet.

One and the same. :)

^^ Where did you get 302,000? Greenville County alone is 415,000+.

The latest urbanized area figures are from 2000. The county population at that time was 379,616. It looks like the bulk of the central part of the county is included in that figure (with small portions of Anderson, Pickens, and Spartanburg counties as well), with the extreme northern and southern ends excluded:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/South_Carolina_population_map.png

If you throw in Mauldin-Simpsonville, which is a separate UA (for now), that would pretty much equal the entire population of Greenville County in 2000.

so the urban population is correct of what I typed right

^Yes.

Thank you. So we are behind Charlotte, Raleigh, Charleston, and Columbia huh. not to bad to have 2 urban areas within the county.

http://www.westparkandtownes.com/uploads/default.asp

Just another West End project. Prices start at 435,000.

I'm bored. Where is everybody? :(

http://www.westparkandtownes.com/uploads/default.asp

Just another West End project. Prices start at 435,000.

It's actually not in the West End. It is toward the North End, about a block west of Main and Park (where the Bi-Lo is). :)

Well I dont live there and its my excuse everytime lol

G-MAN you ate them all. why why would you do such a nasty thing, I know Bass Pro Shops isnt opened or even under construction yet but stop eating other fourmers and close youre fish mouth LOL

:stupid: That's better. :D

Well I dont live there and its my excuse everytime lol

No worries. I was just clarifying for those who didn't know (especially since it sounds like it should be in the West End). :)

Look how dead the Greenville section of urbanplanet is. BAHAHAHAHA. :rofl: And they don't even know about the Pinnacle on Main. Nevermind. Where's the whistling emotion?

These threads were going dead too but I solved that problem LOL. The dance floor silly lol

Look how dead the Greenville section of urbanplanet is. BAHAHAHAHA. :rofl: And they don't even know about the Pinnacle on Main. Nevermind. Where's the whistling emotion?

This forum doesn't know anything about the Pinnacle on Main either.

This forum doesn't know anything about the Pinnacle on Main either.

Did you drive by the site and see the caution tape they put up? Didn't think so. :lol:

I do I can tell lots of info
developer Bob Ellis, number of levels 13, hasnt started construction yet, its in downtown, will be our second tallest tower, um there is currently no plans urban forest but looks like one, It was supposed to had started construction a lot of times (to me), but on top of all of this at least I saved money on my car insurance by switching to Geico. LOL

But really I do think it will start construction soon (6 months to a year which is a good wait. but wait I got a mesage from Bob Ellis saying that he will start constrution on it like he said but he we stall it at the very last floor so it can sit empty but he said he would have kept his word on it because according to skyscrapercity they just wanted it to start construction but they never said to get it finished. LOL

It's 15 stories. :poke: I think it will get built too. :)

Its 15 oh I always thought 13 for some strange reason was the peacock orignal plans for 12 levels but scaled back to 8. And if anybody hasnt noticed but the tallest buildings we build in Downtown are 8 levels (Hampton Inn, Terrace at River Place, The Bookends Mcbee, The Bookend Washington [not constructed yet], The Peacock anything else).

Here is a pic that was taken by Denton yesterday showing the Courtyard by Marriott site: http://www.greenvilledailyphoto.com/index.php/2008/06/12/behind-the-wall-a-construction-site/

Did you drive by the site and see the caution tape they put up? Didn't think so. :lol:

No, I did not. I refuse to get my hopes up regarding this project until there is some action there. I have learned my lesson. :lol:

Has Bob Ellis told you it's about to start, or is this pure conjecture (sort of like the infamous "white truck" was)? :lol:

By the way, I just saw that Tim Russert (host of NBC's "Meet the Press") died today of an apparent heart attack. He was 58. Thoughts and prayers for his family during this difficult time!

By the way, I just saw that Tim Russert (host of NBC's "Meet the Press") died today of an apparent heart attack. He was 58. Thoughts and prayers for his family during this difficult time!

That sucks. :( I just saw it on USAToday's website. Thoughts and prayers from me too. Bob Ellis will always say it's about to start. You know that. :lol: Just a guess. Why else would they want cars to quit parking there? It's not like it's not a parking lot. :nuts:

That sucks. :( I just saw it on USAToday's website. Thoughts and prayers from me too. Bob Ellis will always say it's about to start. You know that. :lol: Just a guess. Why else would they want cars to quit parking there? It's not like it's not a parking lot. :nuts:

So all we know is that there is yellow tape around the Pinnacle on Main site? And that people can no longer park there?

Did you take a picture of it?

I'll take a pic of it on the way to work if it's still there. There was caution tape blocking off the entrance to the site. It wasn't there yesterday. The orange fencing that collapsed was fixed up too. I don't know if this is just to fix up the site or if something is about ready to start. :dunno: Somebody should email Bob Ellis. Not it. :D

What's going on with the Camperdown tower project?

http://www.covtutcommercial.com/PDFS/PeteHollis_FlyerLR.pdf

Pete Hollis no info given but does show the site-plan

The Camperdown tower project is dead and has been for sometime now. The site was sold to some other group. Already been posted infoman. The caution tape was still up at the exit but somebody tore it down at the entrance. Either that or it just ripped on its own:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/001-17.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/003-15.jpg

what are you talking about the camperdown tower for. the project I posted is something on Pete Hollis.

Im going to go out on a limb here and say that the only reason for the tape is for liability reasons.

Welcome To Greenville, the graveyard of high rise failures! This could be our new downtown slogan.

We arent the graveyard were the HEAVEN !!! Where a developer named Bob Ellis wants to help our community out by helping with our local and national developers by proposing things that wont get built !!! He told me he sweet talks them by saying " Why spend $40 million dollars on a new tower when you can propose it, get it approved, and never construct it at less than $100,000". Also Bob Ellis says "and with the remaining of the money give it to a major developer in Raleigh so they can grow because they deserve it because they only got 10 skyscapers built and the developer askes Bob Ellis well how much has Greenville built and he doesnt respond". And we are proud to have such a good reputation at not getting things built, name one other city that cant get stuff built there is none so horray for us. LOL we are in the world guinness record book for this.

I hope we can atleast get something like this. (ATLEAST)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2476754081_53ecd1a001_o.jpg
This is in Knoxville, TN. Its not bad looing at all.

^^ Yes, a very nice looking tower, indeed.

Yet-another project killed by g-man. Hopefully, Infoman will not follow the footsteps of g-man and Bob Ellis.

Love your signature Appstate97 :okay:

Hate your signature Appstate97 :okay:

Hate your signature Appstate97 :okay:

Me too, for obvious reasons!!:cheers:

I hope we can atleast get something like this. (ATLEAST)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2476754081_53ecd1a001_o.jpg
This is in Knoxville, TN. Its not bad looing at all.

There's really nothing special about that at all. I mean it's not the worst looking tower, but Greenville could certainly do much better.

I agree, the building is kind of odd looking. I am looking forward to the day when a REAL Developer builds something that stands out in Greenville. One of my favorite buidings is in Charlotte. I like the Bank of America building and the one next to it that looks like something out of a Batman movie

And for the record, Im not buying into the hype of the Greenville memorial auditorium site. Im willing to bet that this project will be scaled so far back that we will be lucky to get a holiday express there. Time for these developers to show me some construction. Talk is cheap!!!!!!!!!

And for the record, Im not buying into the hype of the Greenville memorial auditorium site. Im willing to bet that this project will be scaled so far back that we will be lucky to get a holiday express there. Time for these developers to show me some construction. Talk is cheap!!!!!!!!!

Oh you'd be suprised. ;)

The Shoeless Joe Jackson Museum across Field Street from West End Field will be opening on June 21st.

Oh you'd be suprised. ;)

Officially calling your bluff on this one, g-man. Nothing additional has been released since the project was announced, and the developers are being tight-lipped at this point. :)

Officially calling your bluff on this one, g-man. Nothing additional has been released since the project was announced, and the developers are being tight-lipped at this point. :)

Thanks man. Pricing is currently being done by a firm in Atlanta to see how the project should be built and how much it should contain. I ate at Luna Rosa Gelato for the first time a few days ago. Nothing short of awesome. Good crowd too. :cheers: Also, I didn't realize Mary Beth's was doing that well. Everytime I drive by it the parking lot in the front is empty and I never see anybody inside. :dunno:

Hey, why isn't the "Gateway Towers proposal" mentioned on Emporis? :?

Because Emporis is slow and stupid. :D

Thanks man. Pricing is currently being done by a firm in Atlanta to see how the project should be built and how much it should contain. I ate at Luna Rosa Gelato for the first time a few days ago. Nothing short of awesome. Good crowd too. :cheers: Also, I didn't realize Mary Beth's was doing that well. Everytime I drive by it the parking lot in the front is empty and I never see anybody inside. :dunno:

This is what scares you. It seems no one is willing to take any risks, which is understandable. They will probably come back and say build a six story and a two story.:lol:

Because Emporis is slow and stupid. :D

Oh, ok. I was just wondering. Thanks. :D

This is what scares you. It seems no one is willing to take any risks, which is understandable. They will probably come back and say build a six story and a two story.:lol:

Yes it is unfortunate but you have to understand it takes several different groups and especially people to make a project of this size happen. If one backs out then that could easily mean the end of it.

^^ Getting a solid commitment from a hotel to occupy a good portion of the taller of the two buildings will help a lot. Perhaps they already have that by now, especially since I remember hearing months ago that several nice hotels were interested...

^^ Getting a solid commitment from a hotel to occupy a good portion of the taller of the two buildings will help a lot. Perhaps they already have that by now, especially since I remember hearing months ago that several nice hotels were interested...

And that is one of the many reasons why Riverplace and Main at Broad have been successful. They have national hotel chains committed to their projects which helps them get funding from investors. I would like to see something like a Doubletree hotel be part of the gateway site or woolworth redevelopment.

And that is one of the many reasons why Riverplace and Main at Broad have been successful. They have national hotel chains committed to their projects which helps them get funding from investors. I would like to see something like a Doubletree hotel be part of the gateway site or woolworth redevelopment.

Doubletree (or anything comparable like Sheraton or Wyndham) would be perfect for the Gateway site.

Is the Woolworth redevelopment supposed to have a hotel component?

Doubletree (or anything comparable like Sheraton or Wyndham) would be perfect for the Gateway site.

Is the Woolworth redevelopment supposed to have a hotel component?

Not sure. :dunno: I hope it does though. :)

Any activity on the Pinnacle on Main site today?

Any activity on the Pinnacle on Main site today?

Now why would I want to drive by that site when I could watch Tiger and Rocco go at it instead? :D GO TIGER WOODS.

The Gateway site developers have bought the Timmons property that was always so hard to get (former Canal Insurance HQ) and are expanding their project to include retail, or more retail. These are the two buildings next to the former memorial auditorium site. :cheer: Expect a story on the project in the Greenville News sometime this week or next. Rudolph Bell will be doing it. ARE YOU READY?

Definetly ready for this.....hopefully this will be the buildings we have all been waiting years for.

$229,525 and $250,650 for the purchase of two buildings on gateway site.

Very good news!!!

Great news! Thanks, G-man. I like how this project is evolving. I can't wait for the story in the News.

I can't wait until the Pinnacle on Main starts construction. :goodnight

Help us at the Greenville Drive celebrate the grand opening of the Shoeless Joe Jackson Museum this Saturday: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080617/SPORTS/806170363/1001/NEWS

I would love to see a rendering of what Greenville's skyline would have looked like if all of these high-rise proposals would have been built. :yes:

g-man? :D

The Gateway site developers have bought the Timmons property that was always so hard to get (former Canal Insurance HQ) and are expanding their project to include retail, or more retail. These are the two buildings next to the former memorial auditorium site. :cheer: Expect a story on the project in the Greenville News sometime this week or next. Rudolph Bell will be doing it. ARE YOU READY?

:banana:

This is great news! I assume it's safe to say that the consultant's studies have been very encouraging for them to purchase these two buildings. These are the two ugly green buildings that front East North Street, yes?

:banana:

This is great news! I assume it's safe to say that the consultant's studies have been very encouraging for them to purchase these two buildings. These are the two ugly green buildings that front East North Street, yes?

Yes indeed. Brad Toy told me he saw where the sites sold a few days ago in the newspaper. :cheers: Then I got an email from somebody else saying it was sold to Marick. Bob Ellis bought the Pinnacle on Main site for $1,150,000 in 2005. :uh:

edit: double post.

Hate your signature Appstate97 :okay:

Me too.

The woolworth redevelopment site will consist of 200,000 square feet of office space, 20,000-30,000 square feet of retail space, and a hotel. :okay: I know I said yesterday that you could expect a story on the gateway site this or next week. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening now. The Greenville News wasn't able to get in contact with Rick Thoennes. :(

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/BUSINESS/80618018/1003
Recruiter hired to boost downtown

By Rudolph Bell • BUSINESS WRITER • June 18, 2008

A public/private coalition has hired a recruiter to lure corporate headquarters and other large users of office space downtown.

Kym Petrie formerly ran a consultancy that specialized in marketing and economic development services for companies and municipalities, according to information distributed at a press conference at the Greater Greenville Chamber of Commerce. Petrie said she moved to Greenville from Canada nine months ago.

The coalition she'll work for includes the Chamber, the city of Greenville and a group of downtown office property owners called the Downtown Owners' Group.

Members of the coalition argue that office space filled with white-collar employees drives other commercial activity downtown such as shopping, dining and lodging. Recruiting new office tenants would boost city revenue from business licenses, parking fees and taxes on property, restaurant meals and hotel rooms, coalition members argue.

Each member of the coalition is covering a third of the program's cost, expected to be about $300,000 a year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/18/sports/baseball/18shoeless.html?ref=baseball
Museum Campaigns for Shoeless Joe Jackson

BY RICHARD SANDOMIR-THE NEW YORK TIMES

Published: June 18, 2008

GREENVILLE, S.C. — Shoeless Joe Jackson died 57 years ago in the tiny, red-brick house on the edge of this city that he shared with his wife, Kate. It was in the 950-square-foot home that he endured the final 10 years of his life and the last of three decades banished from baseball for his role in fixing the 1919 World Series

The home was lifted in 2006 from its foundation on East Wilburn Street, sliced from top to bottom, hauled three miles, and reassembled in a parking lot facing the Class A Greenville Drive’s ballpark.

On Saturday, the house will reopen as the Shoeless Joe Jackson Baseball Museum and Library at 356 Field Street, the number an homage to his career batting average for the Philadelphia A’s, the Cleveland Naps turned Indians and the Chicago White Sox.

He grew up here and played for the baseball team organized by the Brandon Mill, whose cotton lint he swept up as a child.

Although it is expected to attract tourists to the city’s redeveloped downtown and west side, the miniature museum is really the passion of one woman who came to love his story.

“We want the museum to be ground zero for Joe’s election to the Hall of Fame,” said Arlene Marcley, the president of the museum’s foundation, its curator, publicist and, she adds, its painter and housecleaner too.

“We’re not here to argue the case,” she said, standing on the living room’s original pine floors. “We’re here to tell his story. And we don’t know the full story.”

Here, his is not a tale of shame but instead one of civic pride in a local sports hero who always said he had done nothing to rig the 1919 World Series for the $5,000 he admitted receiving from gamblers, and who some say has served enough time in purgatory.

“People here think if he’s guilty of anything, it was of being naïve,” said Craig Brown, a co-owner and president of the Greenville team, which was told by minor league officials not to call the team the Joes in his honor. A bronze statue near the ballpark depicts Jackson swinging toward the nearby Brandon Mill field that bears his name. The statue stands on bricks from old Comiskey Park, where he played from 1915 to 1920.

Raised in Georgia, the 66-year-old Marcley had not heard of Jackson until a local petition began circulating in 1997 to make him eligible for election to the Hall of Fame.

She became more interested when Ted Williams lobbied for Jackson to be removed from the permanently ineligible list. She began assembling exhibits about him at City Hall, where she is executive assistant to Mayor Knox White, and started raising $60,000 for the statue, which was sculpted in the City Hall lobby.

“Whenever I heard the words, ‘Regardless of the verdict of juries,’ ” she said, shuddering slightly as she recited from Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis’s fiat in 1921 that barred Jackson and seven White Sox teammates even after a Chicago jury acquitted them of conspiracy to throw the 1919 World Series won by Cincinnati.

“Landis was a stinker,” she said.

The museum lacks Hall of Fame-quality artifacts, including his storied 48-ounce Black Betsy that a collector, Rob Mitchell of Pottstown, Pa., bought in 2001 for $577,610. But it features the house’s original fireplace, awnings, bathroom tub and mirror. There are vintage photographs, a whistle from the Brandon Mill, a short film, items from the Ty Cobb Museum in Royston, Ga., and 2,000 baseball books shelved on the pine walls of the original screened-in porch.

There is some irony in the baseball library; Jackson could not read or write.

“It’s important that education be central to the museum,” Marcley said.

Admission is free but donations will be appreciated to augment the meager, privately financed budget. Marcley says there are enough Jackson fans to make this personal and passionate campaign succeed.

“I have five men in my life,” she said. “My husband, my son, the mayor, Joel Poinsett,” — an 18th-century South Carolina statesman for whom the poinsettia is named — “and Shoeless Joe Jackson.”

In nearby Simpsonville, Shoeless Joe’s 16-year-old great-great grand nephew, also named Joe Jackson, catches and bats left-handed for the Mauldin High School team.

“I’ve think he was a great man,” Joe Jackson said at his family’s dining room table. “Humble. We don’t think he was guilty.”

In his living room, a photograph of Shoeless Joe, in his left-handed stance, hangs above one of young Joe Jackson, also a left-handed batter. Young Joe’s mother, Linda, pointed to their similarities in the batter’s box, in particular the wide distance between their feet. Her son hit .387 this season swinging a 32-inch, 29-ounce aluminum bat for the varsity squad. “Joe has no real holes in his swing,” said his coach, Todd Robinson. “He adjusts.”

Jackson said he does not brag about his family history.

“My parents tell me, ‘Don’t say anything unless someone asks,’ ” he said. But, he said, his friends “think it’s cool.”

During a recent class discussion of “The Great Gatsby,” which contains a reference to the Black Sox scandal, Jackson said his English teacher asked him to elaborate on the pock mark on early baseball.

“I explained it to her, but she didn’t know I was related,” he said. His teacher, Ida Rainey, confirmed his story, saying: “It’s a common name. I’ve taught a lot of Jacksons.”

The Jackson relatives living in the area seem content to let others argue Shoeless Joe’s case. His widow, Kate, told the family, “Just let it be,” said Linda Jackson.

But local fans continue to believe in him.

“The main thing that keeps him alive is he hit .356 and people intuitively think that someone that great should be recognized by baseball,” said Gene Carney, who wrote “Burying the Black Sox: How Baseball’s Cover-Up of the 1919 World Series Fix Almost Succeeded” (Potomac, 2006).

Last year, the Chicago History Museum acquired an archive of documents about the Black Sox case. Peter T. Alter, a curator who has examined the papers, few of which have been seen publicly, said, “There’s no smoking gun that implicates someone new or exonerates anyone.”

The uncertainty about Jackson’s culpability in the conspiracy, beyond accepting a lot of cash for the era, motivates supporters like Marcley to advocate having the veterans committee of the Baseball Hall of Fame decide if he is worthy of election. “Baseball should just say it no longer has any authority over Joe,” Marcley said in the bedroom he died in, “and let him be on the ballot.”

300,000 for a downtown recruiter. Someone give me some insight in how this works. Im speaking with no experience on this matter, but i have a few questions.
1. How do you recruit big business downtown when there are few towers?
2. Does the recruiter have the power to offer incentives for relocation...taxes?
3. Do they target large corporations across the country?

300,000 for a downtown recruiter. Someone give me some insight in how this works. Im speaking with no experience on this matter, but i have a few questions.
1. How do you recruit big business downtown when there are few towers?
2. Does the recruiter have the power to offer incentives for relocation...taxes?
3. Do they target large corporations across the country?

1. To fill proposed ones not built yet so they can start construction and to fill current ones with space available.
2. I doubt it. That is up to the governing body like the city and county for if to offer incentives and how much.
3. Yes, but it sounds like they're targeting the ones in Georgia and North Carolina the most.

Makes you wonder why Flour hasn't been approached for have a signature Tower downtown. I mean that is what there company does, engineering, construction.

Makes you wonder why Flour hasn't been approached for have a signature Tower downtown. I mean that is what there company does, engineering, construction.

They moved from downtown to the suburbs. Why would they want to move back? Also, what would you do with all of that empty office space at their current campus if they did decide to move back downtown?

I know this is a long shot, but I would love to see a Target move into downtown. That would go a long way for the residents who live in downtown Greenville. If I had the money, I would purchase that Ghetto Bilo on Main st. and Park ave. and Tear the whole shopping center down. Then I would build a Super Target.

You could easily take the flour campus and make it luxury condo's or apartments. Retail is another option. They have the lake, and you could have restaurants that circle the lake with various retail options. Make it a destination place to eat and shop. If you made it pedestrian friendly, people would flock to it as a trendy place to meet.

You could easily take the flour campus and make it luxury condo's or apartments. Retail is another option. They have the lake, and you could have restaurants that circle the lake with various retail options. Make it a destination place to eat and shop. If you made it pedestrian friendly, people would flock to it as a trendy place to meet.

Sounds a lot like this project which will be built on part of the Fluor campus: http://www.choldings.com/Marketing%20Packages/Crescent%20Place.pdf :) Oh and that ghetto shopping center with the Bi-Lo is for sale and has been for sometime now.

I saw a sign that said "Grand Reopening at the Bilo". What did they do?

I saw a sign that said "Grand Reopening at the Bilo". What did they do?

Which Bi-Lo? The one downtown? :dunno:

Should have clarified my post. Its the bilo downtown. They have two banners tied to the shrubs in front of the store. I havent had time to go in since I have seen the signs.

Should have clarified my post. Its the bilo downtown. They have two banners tied to the shrubs in front of the store. I havent had time to go in since I have seen the signs.

Who knows. Probably added a new cash register or something. :lol:

LOL.....they probably changed a light bulb. That place is like taking a trip back in time. What a dump.

I think Fluor could be enticed to move downtown, especially since they are currently spread across several locations in the midtown area. Consolidating into one tower downtown would surely be appealing to them, but is it cost-effective in their minds? Would it require some sort of incentives from the city and/or county (and if so, is it worth it)?

I would love to see that happen though! Wouldn't it be a great way to break in our new corporate HQ recruiter? ;)

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080619/BUSINESS/806190306/1003
Coalition hires Petrie to lure businesses to downtown

By Rudolph Bell • BUSINESS WRITER • June 19, 2008

A public/private coalition has hired a recruiter in an attempt to lure corporate headquarters and other large users of office space to downtown Greenville.

Kym Petrie formerly worked as a consultant helping U.S. information technology companies establish operations in Canada and ran a not-for-profit organization to benefit the downtown of Sault St. Marie, a city in Ontario, Canada.

She told reporters during a press conference Wednesday at the Greater Greenville Chamber of Commerce to announce her hiring that she expects to be back at the Chamber in a few months to "make real spectacular announcements" about companies coming downtown.

Petrie said she'll use research about Greenville's educational offerings, work force, quality of life and cost of living to build a case for companies to move downtown. She also hopes to tap into the networks of local executives for recruitment leads.

"There are many CEOs and people in positions around this area who are here because they've chosen to be here and who have contacts in industry," Petrie said.

The coalition she'll work for includes the Chamber, the city of Greenville and a group of downtown office property owners called the Downtown Owners' Group.

Coalition members argue that office space filled with white-collar employees drives other commercial activity downtown such as shopping, dining and lodging. Recruiting new office tenants also boosts city revenue from business licenses, parking fees and taxes on property, restaurant meals and hotel rooms, they say.

City Councilwoman Amy Ryberg Doyle said Petrie's hiring shows the city isn't going to "take its eye off the core of the city."

"We are not done" improving downtown, Doyle said. "We are just getting started."

Petrie's job duties include the development of marketing materials, traveling to cities targeted for recruitment and following up on leads provided by local executives, consultants and real estate brokers.

The 41-year-old moved to Greenville nine months ago from Ottawa, Ontario. Her husband works for Concentrix Corp., a Synnex Corp. subsidiary with operations in Greenville.

^^ I am REALLY liking what I hear from Kym Petrie. Her hiring is as exciting as any news we've heard in a long time, and has a chance to greatly improve our downtown.

Sounds like someone should get Petrie and Holder at the same table.

Sounds like someone should get Petrie and Holder at the same table.

I just got done sending him an email with a link to the article. :)

I just got done sending him an email with a link to the article. :)

That's great! Shouldn't he have already made his visit to look around downtown Greenville? If so, I'm sure he's excited about the potential there. :)

^I think G-man said that Holder was planning on visiting after the tower in Columbia broke ground (which was yesterday). G-man can correct me if I'm wrong about that.

http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/6/5/8/65886D33-EB7B-4ABE-8892-19E50A31BAC4.pdf and he will most likely come to visit and check out the area later this month or next. He emailed me back and said he would contact the consultant that the City hired for downtown office tenant recruitment.

The lot for the Bi-Lo downtown is not big enough for a regular Target much less a super Target. There is a small parking lot in front and it backs up to Academy and has 3 other streets locking it in so there is no room to expand.:ohno:

The lot for the Bi-Lo downtown is not big enough for a regular Target much less a super Target. There is a small parking lot in front and it backs up to Academy and has 3 other streets locking it in so there is no room to expand.:ohno:

Actually it is big enough. Ever heard of a underground parking garage?

G-man, you beat me to it. I was thinking vertical expansion. How about a two or three story Target. I have been to the Target in Atlanta and its pretty neat.

G-man, you beat me to it. I was thinking vertical expansion. How about a two or three story Target. I have been to the Target in Atlanta and its pretty neat.

Don't forget about the new one in Charlotte at Metropolitan. :) I would LOVE to see something like this: http://www.newurbannews.com/images/TargetInsideOct05.jpg

Love this Target! :yes:

http://www.newurbannews.com/images/TargetInsideOct05.jpg

^^
Yes, I agree, it is awesome!!!

Brad Toy who most of you know from urbanplanet went to a meeting recently that discussed economic development projects for downtown. During the meeting, the city handed out a sheet saying what projects were proposed for downtown and when they would start. For the Pinnacle on Main, it said "construction start date unknown." :nuts: :ohno:

I really like the urban target store. That would do great in downtown Greenville.

It just fits in so well with the rest of the urban theme. :)

Caliber Engineering will be in charge of construction for the Kroc Center coming to downtown Greenville. That is good news along with this:

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/salvation_21879___article.html/army_colbert.html

The Colberts, both 54, are being relocated to the Salvation Army in Greenville, S.C. They are charged with overseeing construction and management of the Greenville Kroc Center - a multimillion-dollar facility that will promote the arts, culture, education and sports.

And why do we need highrises again? Read the below article then you'll see why we don't. :) :dunno: It says published June 22, 2008 but it sounds like it's from last year:



http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/COMMUNITIES0101/51024009
Downtown keeps them coming back
Greenville offers lures from tiny mice to a soaring bridge

The Greenville News Staff-June 22, 2008

When you are trying to build a world-class city, you take your inspiration as it comes.

From Jimmy Ryan, who was a senior at Christ Church Episcopal School when he designed and raised money for the Mice on Main sculptures hidden throughout downtown, to renowned architect Miguel Rosales, who designed the pedestrian bridge spanning the Reedy River, downtown Greenville continues to build on its award-winning achievements.

Downtown Greenville drew national attention in 2003 when it was among five cities recognized by the National Trust for Historic Preservation for its revitalization of downtown. Articles the past year featuring downtown Greenville in Southern Living magazine and regional newspapers further spread the word.

Stephanie Edlin, manager of The Overlook Grill in Falls Park, hears British and German accents, and often talks to people from Charlotte, Spartanburg and Asheville.

"I would have never thought it 20 years ago," said Edlin, a Greenville native who recalls a Main Street of abandoned storefronts in the 1970s.

The pedestrian bridge that opened last summer in Falls Park continues to draw crowds. People enjoy themselves in Greenville and let family and friends know, Greenville Mayor Knox White said.

"I think that's just a glimpse of what we will see in the months and years ahead," the mayor said.

Simpsonville resident Kay Loos convinced her friend Diana Hayworth of Michigan to stop in Greenville with her husband on their way to Cocoa Beach, Fla. They ate lunch at a locally owned restaurant, explored the shops that have returned to Main Street over the past 20 years and marveled at the pedestrian bridge.

"We've got to come back," Hayworth said.

Add a minor league baseball stadium set to open in April 2006, and downtown stands to keep business travelers and tourists here an extra day or two, said Rowena Buffett Timms, vice president of the Greater Greenville Chamber of Commerce. That, she said, helps fill hotel rooms.

"You're talking about a community that has the depth to offer points of interest for every age group," she said.

FALLS PARK ON THE REEDY-
Greenville's jewel is Falls Park on the Reedy - featuring a new pedestrian suspension bridge over the river, flowerbeds, stone paths and an outdoor amphitheater.

The park on South Main Street just across the Reedy River from the downtown commercial district is at the entrance of downtown's West End arts district.

It re-opened last fall, transformed by a $13.4 million renovation that included the $4.5 million pedestrian bridge.

Bridge designer Rosales also drew up Boston's new Charles River Bridge. The view of the falls is unobstructed. The curved bridge is supported by two 100-foot spires visible from Main Street.

Lights make the bridge and falls glow at night, and a $3 million endowment for the gardens will keep the flowers blooming.

THE WEST END-
The West End began to come into its own when the city renovated two abandoned warehouses and a bowling alley into the West End Market in 1995. With two restaurants, arts and crafts boutiques and space for a public market, it helped draw investment into the West End.

Home to more than a dozen art galleries, dance studios, two stage theaters, the headquarters of the Metropolitan Arts Council and the new Artisphere arts festival in April, the West End has become known for its visual and performing arts.

"There's an undeniable energy," said Buffett Timms. "It feels like something is going on."

A Greenville-wide gallery crawl on the first Friday of every month started in December and draws hundreds of people from all over the Upstate, said West End Gallery director Trinity Behrends. The majority of the 20 or so galleries that participate are in the West End, she said.

"For us, this is a concentrated area," she said. "It's good for some new people who haven't seen the stuff going on down here."

The Artisphere in April attracted artists from all over the country to Main Street booths in the West End.

Another festival - Art in the Park - is set for Sept. 17 and 18 in Falls Park.

Aside from the galleries and renovated Falls Park, the biggest landmark these days in the West End is a crane hovering over the 10-acre construction site for the $50 million RiverPlace development - an investment on Main Street never before seen west of the Reedy River.

A nine-story tower on South Main for offices and a restaurant with a view of the river will be finished by the end of the year, along with high-end condominiums next door. A new Hampton Inn and Suites at the site should be finished early next year.

PUBLIC ART AND MUSEUMS-
Outdoor art - statues, fountains and abstract sculptures - dot Main Street from Stone Avenue to Augusta Street.

Immortalized in bronze downtown are some of Greenville's most prominent citizens - baseball player Shoeless Joe Jackson, builder Vardry McBee and statesman Joel Poinsett, who introduced the Mexican poinsettia to the United States.

Children can also track the eight life-size bronze mice hidden along Main Street. A hints sheet is available at the visitors center on the first floor of City Hall at Main and Broad streets.

The Museum of Art on College Street joins the Little Theater and county library on Heritage Green, which someday will also house a children's museum at the old.

Allot of stuff to see and do in Greenville to be sure! :)

It is always nice to get recognition for your city's good efforts. The high-rises will follow.

And why do we need highrises again?

To create a stronger downtown office market and a denser core....duh g-man. :nuts:

To create a stronger downtown office market and a denser core....duh g-man. :nuts:

We already have a dense core. The Courtyard by Marriott will have office space and that's not a highrise. Same goes with Riverplace.

We already have a dense core.

Depends on what standard you're using. In my opinion, very little Southern cities truly have a dense core (including my own city, which has a good bit of highrises and more on the way). But anyway, I said a denser core and a stronger downtown office market--the latter being why a recruiter was recently hired to bring more office jobs downtown. The city obviously recognizes the value in a stronger downtown office market. That translates into more people on the street during the day, better business for restaurants and retail, and exposing some people to downtown who may not know what all it has to offer.

Listen, krazeeboi: we just managed to calm g-man down, and you are about to make him depressed, again. You know what happens when g-man gets depressed, right? He will start posting his "quit hoggin' it all" line in every thread that involves a building above 5 stories. Please, let him be... Don't give him reasons for having high-rises. Just go along with him :rofl:

Oh yeah....you're right, G-man! Death to all highrises everywhere! They are purely evil! :lol:

Caliber Engineering will be in charge of construction for the Kroc Center coming to downtown Greenville. That is good news along with this:

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/salvation_21879___article.html/army_colbert.html

The Colberts, both 54, are being relocated to the Salvation Army in Greenville, S.C. They are charged with overseeing construction and management of the Greenville Kroc Center - a multimillion-dollar facility that will promote the arts, culture, education and sports.

I just hope they have something to manage, unlike the guy who moved here to manage the Peacock Hotel. :lol::lol::lol::ohno::ohno::ohno::cheers:

Depends on what standard you're using. In my opinion, very little Southern cities truly have a dense core (including my own city, which has a good bit of highrises and more on the way). But anyway, I said a denser core and a stronger downtown office market--the latter being why a recruiter was recently hired to bring more office jobs downtown. The city obviously recognizes the value in a stronger downtown office market. That translates into more people on the street during the day, better business for restaurants and retail, and exposing some people to downtown who may not know what all it has to offer.

I was referring to downtown already having a dense urban core not the whole metro area. :poke:

I was referring to downtown already having a dense urban core not the whole metro area. :poke:

Downtown is the urban core. I do not think that Greenville's core, or that of just about any other Southern city (with few exceptions), can legitimately be called dense.

^^ With Charleston and Savannah being the exception.

^Yes, they are definitely two exceptions.

I just hope they have something to manage, unlike the guy who moved here to manage the Peacock Hotel. :lol::lol::lol::ohno::ohno::ohno::cheers:

I hope that poor fellow found another job.

G-man, where are you hiding?

G-man, where are you hiding?

:dunno: I'm right here. :poke:

:lurker: we need ..... tall building development news..... :runaway:

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I absolutely LOVE the new McBee Station wayfinder signs! Excellent!

I absolutely LOVE the new McBee Station wayfinder signs! Excellent!

Holy sh*t. Somebody actually posted. :lol: :nuts: :ohno: :bash: Oh and I like the sign too. You have got to see it in person though. The thing is HUGE and is a lot easier to read then the other ones downtown. :)

I agree, the McBee Station signs are simply gorgeous :okay:

I love the design. :)

Come out to Fluor Field July 4th following the game for Drive Fest. Moonbounces, live music, face painting, food/drinks, etc. Stick around until 10:15pm to watch the downtown fireworks show from the comfort of a ballpark seat. :) Admission is free. More information on this event can be found here: http://greenvilledrive.com/news/index.html?article_id=351

:uh: 100,000 people expected to swamp downtown on July 4th: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/NEWS01/80702031&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

wow 100,000

that is a lot of people..... :runaway:

Lovin' the Courtyard model pics! :okay:

Courtyard by Marriott. Notice the first wall is starting to go up:
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Exterior construction has started on the Children's Museum. They were putting up a construction fence around the site yesterday. :okay: Pics maybe tomorrow.

great! Thanks for the updates.

Palmetto Bank headquarters:
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The Children's Museum:
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The Palmetto Bank is coming along nicely!

I love those huge trees at Heritage Green. I wonder how the inside of the Children's Museum is coming along?

All of the Bergamo building in downtown Greenville has been shut down indefinitely. The fitness center is closed and don't expect Dunkin Donuts until the sewage spill is fixed. :toilet: :runaway:

Ewwww: http://www.wyff4.com/news/16813415/detail.html

When is the sales office for Chicora going to open? I thought it was supposed to open in late spring. :dunno: I smell another failed downtown project in the making. The more the merrier just to piss off the other forum members some more. The more that fail the less they post. :D

When will we start hearing more on the Gateway tower? :?

:soon: When is the Pinnacle on Main going to start construction? :soon: When will Woolworth's plans be announced? :soon: When will Main at McBee start construction? :soon: When will Riverplace's final plans be revealed? :soon: When will the Kroc Center start construction? :soon: When will the Peacock restart construction? :soon: When will Chicora's sales office open? :soon: When will Bookends phase II start construction? :soon: When will Distortedlogic return? :soon: Oh and in case you forgot:
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I agree, not very positive. :ohno:

You're full of bull Gman, you do care about highrises! :lol:

Ok fine. You win. I care about them. I WANT TO SEE THEM ALL GET BUILT. :D I couldn't hold it in any longer. :cry: :pet: I need a redbull. :)