i would encourage you to sell up.

if i have to invite too many eeyores like you to my torch housewarming party in 2015, the whole night could turn into a real bummer.:dance2:

Something tells me that your house warming party would turn into a real bummer even if nobody but yourself attented.

People who give factual information here shouldn't be driven away simply 'cos investors don't like it. We already lost AlMillion who's not come back after getting a massive amount of flack from Torch owners 'cos he tried to warn them.

Dubai_Steve - I doubt enough people will bail out to cause a problem. DS has funds from other projects to divert if necessary. Also I think perceived profits are such that greed will take over peoples' better judgement.

I've said it before DS = mini DAMAC.

The letter is essentially claiming force majeure. Disgusting. I really feel for those who've paid all but 10%!!!


I think it is a bit unfair to compare DS with DAMAC. DS maybe a mismanaged company but I believe it is their intention to make progress on The Torch as early as possible to make sure it dosen't effect their future property sales. As for DAMAC they are in a totally different league of deceit and fraud.

The question that arises is whether or not DS were aware of the actual completion date from the outset? From where I am sitting I find it hard to believe anyone would sign off a multi-million pound project without having a completion date somewhere in the contract with a grace period of say 6 months.

If the contractors have caused the delay then it is up to DS to either seek compensation or withhold their payment to the contractor until the project is back on schedule. But it is unlikely to happen because DS were probably aware of the actual completion date.

The reasons DS have given us for the delay have probably been given to them by the contractor. I don't think DS would be involved in any of the day to day project management of the site or any of the sourcing of material, isn't this up to the building contractor to do?

Anyway now that the cat is out of the bag there is not much we can do. We either pull out or stick it out.

I have just created a user group for Torch Owners where we can discsuss issues pertaining to our invesment. It may be the case in future where a combined voice of a group of investors can have more effect than individuals banging their heads against a wall. Maybe in later stages when it comes to fittings and furnishings and DS decide to deviate from the original specification we may need some clout.

Anyone wishing to join the group can click here http://groups.google.co.uk/group/torchowners and follow the instructions or PM me their email address and I will send you an invite. Actual Torch investors only please.

:cheers:

I really can't get my head round any of this "sourcing of materials" issue. They've hardly started using any materials yet so couldn't have possibly hit any supply problems at this early stage.

^^ The letter says these are the reasons why many developers in Dubai are behind. They do not say this is the reason for the Torch delay.

In fact the only reason they give for the torch delay is "this delay has been beyond our control". In other words, force majeure.

The letter also says that PROVIDED GOVERNMENTAL APPROVALS ARE AVAILABLE, the first completed properties will be handed over before the completion date of September 2009. We all know that such approvals are not possible before completion. Look at marina heights for proof of this.

I think some of the MH apartments where handed over before a lot of floors where complete. No?

No the completion certificate must be given first by the Dubai municipality after they have conducted their inspections and given the green light.

Only finishing work such as pools, gyms, some snagging can be left to after completion. Hand over can not take place until the inspection has been passed and the completion certificate issued.

Morris- I’m no contraction expert but not a fool either,
But I say what I see.


contraction? your having a baby?:lol:

No the completion certificate must be given first by the Dubai municipality after they have conducted their inspections and given the green light.

Only finishing work such as pools, gyms, some snagging can be left to after completion. Hand over can not take place until the inspection has been passed and the completion certificate issued.

Sorry, by complete I mean't interiors :)

If you stop payment to DS it will not make the slightest difference to them, as with all heavy financing developements, the debt is probably factored out, they will have the money to build, and the factoring bank will be the company you owe the money too.

That is why they can introduce an Escrow account on BC, and invest in other deals around the world, as I said before, last year Laws have been introduced that cut down on working hours, all developers are in the same boat, I have proerties in Florida, that are bleeding me dry, where I have to pay property tax'es of 10% on plots of sand, with no hope of buiding for years, you try some of that, but one day it will all be right and you will look back in hindsight and say how clever you are, especially if that shopping mall goes in as well, and the Torch has a Marina view.

Remember No developer starts out to be late on a project, but events overtake them all, you have to take it on the chin, and no taxes means hudge savings from the start.

I've set up a group for all groups of group ownership groups. You can find it at www.groupofgroupownershipsgroups.com.

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I thought you'd all be interested in knowing the Dubai Select WILL be paying compensation, as they recognise that the delay which has occurred between the start of the build and now does
not fall within the definition of a force majeure.

I only have details relating those of you who have paid most of the money up front, PM me if you want the specific details.

Anyone notice the post count? Time for part 5???

^^ 500 post limit is no longer in place

HateTorch,
Any pics ?

TIA

If you stop payment to DS it will not make the slightest difference to them, as with all heavy financing developements, the debt is probably factored out, they will have the money to build, and the factoring bank will be the company you owe the money too.

That is why they can introduce an Escrow account on BC, and invest in other deals around the world, as I said before, last year Laws have been introduced that cut down on working hours, all developers are in the same boat, I have proerties in Florida, that are bleeding me dry, where I have to pay property tax'es of 10% on plots of sand, with no hope of buiding for years, you try some of that, but one day it will all be right and you will look back in hindsight and say how clever you are, especially if that shopping mall goes in as well, and the Torch has a Marina view.

Remember No developer starts out to be late on a project, but events overtake them all, you have to take it on the chin, and no taxes means hudge savings from the start.

a voice of reason!:bow:

:ohno:

I can't believe you people actually fell for the rediculous 2008 completion date. I'm not saying the developers aren't to blame, of course they are since they're the ones who promise these rediculous completion dates in the first place. IMO you should give 4 years for the construction of a building over 300m. As an example take rose rotana which went up rediculously fast, that started in mid 2004 and is still a good few months away from opening. Now, the torch started in early 2006 which is fairly normal since it was announced around the middle of 2005 as it takes time to sort out contractors, etc. I recon this will be structurally complete in 2009 and people will get their keys in early to mid 2010. Does not seem at all abnormal to me.
To be honest anyone who believe the torch would be complete, done and dusted, keys handed over and everything in 2 years is, well, living in a dream world. No doubt trident will probably say the pentominium will be complete by 2010 and people will believe that, somehow forgeting that a half-km ultra-tall will take slightly longer than your average 20-storey block.

What bugs me is why don't these developers just say the real completion date from the very beginning. The only people they fool are those who don't do research. If I was buying and they said 2010 I'd say, ok fair enough. If they said 2008 I'd say they're kidding themselves and would expect it to be finished in 2010 anyway.

another voice of reason.:bow:

Something tells me that your house warming party would turn into a real bummer even if nobody but yourself attented.

someone who needs prozac:lol:

HateTorch,
Any pics ?

TIA

30-May-2007

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30-May-2007

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30-May-2007

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30-May-2007

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Labour levels seem to fluctuate wildly on this site or was the picture taken during a meal break? I can only count 3 or 4 workers.

Labour levels seem to fluctuate wildly on this site or was the picture taken during a meal break? I can only count 3 or 4 workers.

Hi,

All photos are taken between 6 - 6:45pm. At that time slot, most are either waiting for transport home (at some corner shades), or has gone home. Except for those working overtime or some shifts ...

Rgds.

Many thanks HT!

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someone who needs prozac:lol:

Barry Mcbarry, Ronald Mcdonald or whatever your name is, I am yet to read a single post of yours that provides any value or insight in regards to the Torch. Its clear youve graduated from the clown academy, now its time to focus your efforts on serving milkshakes and big macs...

:lol:

cant help but feel Torch wont be complete and handed over before summer 2010

I thought you'd all be interested in knowing the Dubai Select WILL be paying compensation, as they recognise that the delay which has occurred between the start of the build and now does
not fall within the definition of a force majeure.

I only have details relating those of you who have paid most of the money up front, PM me if you want the specific details.

Power to the People & Power of the SCC.........:banana:

No thanks to the DS Fan Club

It applies to everybody that bought in the Torch.

I hope this forum has helped them to rethink their stance.

I hope this forum has helped them to rethink their stance.

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Information and Photos posted here are a major reason.

We need to keep the flow of information and photos going, this is just one positive step.

I don't remember DS ever saying they won't be paying compensation?

But WDIK

i guess the diary-idea suggested by some of you to challenge a possible force-majeure-excuse has produced positive results.

i agree that we need to keep the profile of this issue high, sadly possibly until completion.

well done to all of you guys for the constant effort.

Diary is not just an idea it is still being kept.

The Torch breaks records and makes the national news

Work on Dubai’s largest ever concrete pour finished last week after 11,000m3 of concrete, provided by 13 pumps, was used to form the raft of The Torch tower in Dubai Marina in just 27 hours. The 345 m-high building will have a total built up area of 111,832m3 on completion.

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22/05/2007 update by Dubai Select

Major sections of shear walls are visible within the slip form.

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The bottom right of the photo shows the rebar ready for the casting of the top the water tank. Since this photo was taken 2 days ago this has now been complete. Some of the major columns and Shear walls are visible here already cast for the support of the first car parking level.

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Rebar continue to flow onto the construction site to keep up with the accelerated work of the columns and core of the building.

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First level of the car park cast visible cover about a third of the total basement area. The red steel frame work is the sliding form work, which give s a template for the main core structure of the building and will follow all the way to the top of the building as each floor is cast.

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Major reinforcement being worked on for above the first level of the car parking floors.

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Sections of spare crane on site for when the cranes need elevating further.

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First floor of the car parking level being prepared for casting. Each of the car park floors are 345mm thick reinforced concrete. This will also provide the under cover area for the workers to take shade that becomes a necessity in the summer.

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Whilst self congratulatory posts purporting to solve a problem that hasn't even existed are at best midly amusing, I think we should be fair and point out that at no stage have DS ever said, or even intimated, that they will not be paying compensation.









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Barry Mcbarry, Ronald Mcdonald or whatever your name is, I am yet to read a single post of yours that provides any value or insight in regards to the Torch. Its clear youve graduated from the clown academy, now its time to focus your efforts on serving milkshakes and big macs...

how dare you.

i have contributed sarcasm, lame humour and piss taking on a tiny scale for at least 2 weeks.

now, do you want fries with your humble pie?:poke:
:rofl:

how long is the foundation work gonna take before we see the core rise?

how dare you.

i have contributed sarcasm, lame humour and piss taking on a tiny scale for at least 2 weeks.

now, do you want fries with your humble pie?:poke:
:rofl:


A Big Mac for me please Barry with a medium chocolate milkshake........I love McDonalds........ hopefully there'll be one in the Marina.

:lol:

I spoke to DS today about compensation which is due at the earliest 1st Jan 2009-they said that they had had a meeting about this and were going to pay for the late finish.(1% over Libor) for all paid funds! I asked why this had not been mentioned in the recent letter to be met by a long silence and then that they were going to call everybody personally. I said we all need this in a letter to produce later down the line! This was going to be discussed with a manager! Take that for what its worth!:

how long is the foundation work gonna take before we see the core rise?

at least one month i guess

I spoke to DS today about compensation which is due at the earliest 1st Jan 2009-they said that they had had a meeting about this and were going to pay for the late finish.(1% over Libor) for all paid funds! I asked why this had not been mentioned in the recent letter to be met by a long silence and then that they were going to call everybody personally. I said we all need this in a letter to produce later down the line! This was going to be discussed with a manager! Take that for what its worth!:

great job.

how long is the foundation work gonna take before we see the core rise?

uhh hmm foundation work is actually finnished... and it's already rising...
they're now working on the basement floors, with this speed it will be ready in a week or six I guess
:)

Thank you, Dubai Steve, great photos, and informative and knowledgeable comments, Barry dont stop your sharp and witty observations, they make my day, and for all the doubters how fast has this thing got to go before they beleive it's not a scam, it has started off by breaking records, and will carry on doing so.

Have you tried that Angus Burger?, from Burger King, you''ll never have a Big Mac again

Love Alan

how long is the foundation work gonna take before we see the core rise?

They seem to be doing things in a different order, no? Isn't the core normally a floor or so ahead of the rest of the building. They seem to have poured a part of the slab already.

I am no construction expert, maybe someone can shed some light?

True Blue where are you?

^^ Yes another first from the Torch. Normally the core is 2 floors ahead of the floor table forms. I think I brought it up recently that the team that operate the slip form are probably delayed on another site. It's not the kind of thing anyone can do, needs experience to work the hydraulics so that it climbs without pulling the recently formed walls to pieces or going off plumb.

I liked the DS comment that the floors were necessary for shelter from the sun.

Thank you, Dubai Steve, great photos, and informative and knowledgeable comments, Barry dont stop your sharp and witty observations, they make my day, and for all the doubters how fast has this thing got to go before they beleive it's not a scam, it has started off by breaking records, and will carry on doing so.

Have you tried that Angus Burger?, from Burger King, you''ll never have a Big Mac again

Love Alan

a wiser man than even i could have imagined.
nothing wrong with a bit of background chit chat while the serious construction debate continues i hope:tyty:

i'm starting to wish i'd bought an apartment in the basement.
looks like that bit will be ready by the end of the summer, 1 year ahead of schedule!!!!!!!!!:cheers2:

The Torch breaks records and makes the national news

Work on Dubai’s largest ever concrete pour finished last week after 11,000m3 of concrete, provided by 13 pumps, was used to form the raft of The Torch tower in Dubai Marina in just 27 hours. The 345 m-high building will have a total built up area of 111,832m3 on completion.

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bigger than burj dubai?

Deja Vu.

bigger than burj dubai?

See post #360 onwards...:)

These deserve to be shown here also. Wonderfull renders from malec and Dubai Addiction showing the Torch in context.

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Great work Malec & Dubai Addiction truly impressive. Keep up the good work -it really brings the atmosphere of the place closer to reality. :applause:
Does the program allow you to move on to an animation? That would be fantastic!

Great work Malec & Dubai Addiction truly impressive. Keep up the good work -it really brings the atmosphere of the place closer to reality. :applause:
Does the program allow you to move on to an animation? That would be fantastic!

Hi Malec & Dubai Addiction,

Can you model all the buildings in Marina ?
Then model a first-person view through the cockpit of a tiny aircraft.
This aircraft will then fly up, down, left, right, circle the various buildings, or maybe fly through a fountain of water ... then sell that model/animation data to DreamWorld or Pixar, and make big money.

I think many ppl will be impressed, even though constructions are delayed and delayed ... anyway ppl will be taken in by nice animation nice colors :lol:

Date: 03-June-2007

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Date: 03-June-2007

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Hi,

Pardon my ignorance ...
1) In the top pic towards the top, that is a layer of concrete, right ?
2) They laid a layer of concrete on top of a hollow structure, right ?

Err ..is it normal ... I mean that structure will be hollow ?

I think that is a floor being laid, and the hollow bit is the car parking space, so that is the ceiling if you know what I mean, but I am as dumb as you, so we have plenty of experts here will put us right.

Alan

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^^ Shouldn't be a hole much longer

Ah – ha "THE TORCH" thread is back.
Did anyone else notice it disappearing…. Or….. Am I losing it?:?

Don’t answer that!

Ah – ha "THE TORCH" thread is back.
Did anyone else notice it disappearing…. Or….. Am I losing it?:?
--- snip ---


I notice too.
It has been quiet for the past few days; kinda not getting used to it.
Maybe the owners are hatching some plot against "Dee Ass" ...

It’s the depression setting in.:)

For people that investing to rent, they are loosing too much money considering the very little money they are getting in compensation.

For people that have bought to live in, they will loose too much money renting elsewhere due of no fault on their part.

Now watch the wise guys that knows it all and have done all the research telling you it is nothing out of the ordinary in Dubai despite falling for it themselves.:ohno:

I am grateful to both HateTorch and Scoooteeeeeeeee and hopefully I will get the chance to buy them a few drinks in the future, I am just amazed at the naivety of some people. Hold on……………Now shoot. :guns1: :horse:

Wow...... those renders are fantastic, amazing work guys, much appreciated.:)

It’s the depression setting in.:)

For people that investing to rent, they are loosing too much money considering the very little money they are getting in compensation.

For people that have bought to live in, they will loose too much money renting elsewhere due of no fault on their part.

Now watch the wise guys that knows it all and have done all the research telling you it is nothing out of the ordinary in Dubai despite falling for it themselves.:ohno:

I am grateful to both HateTorch and Scoooteeeeeeeee and hopefully I will get the chance to buy them a few drinks in the future, I am just amazed at the naivety of some people. Hold on……………Now shoot. :guns1: :horse:

do you need to borrow some money?:hug:

Original Torch brochure stated 74 floors and height of 345 metres. Height is now 84 floors so surely the tower is going to be much higher than 345 metres ??









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Quite possibly (current estimate at 360m) but all depends on the "LED" atop.

Original Torch brochure stated 74 floors and height of 345 metres. Height is now 84 floors so surely the tower is going to be much higher than 345 metres ??

But weren't 6 mechanical floors converted to regular ones? That will means only 4 more extra floors, but you have to consider also that the mechanical floors are much higher then the regular ones, so the change to 84 floors shouldn't have added much overall height to the tower.

However that would be right only if all my asumptions above are correct.

do you need to borrow some money?:hug:

No, thanks for the offer.

I am looking for some investors like you and Morris for one of my projects, investors that would take all the s**t that is thrown at them, loose money and still be happy about it and as a bonus you could lobby for my company and tell everybody no matter what how good of a job I am doing :)

Now show me the money :cheers:

No, thanks for the offer.

I am looking for some investors like you and Morris for one of my projects, investors that would take all the s**t that is thrown at them, loose money and still be happy about it and as a bonus you could lobby for my company and tell everybody no matter what how good of a job I am doing :)

Now show me the money :cheers:

i'm your man.
cash, cheque, credit card or gold?:hilarious

But weren't 6 mechanical floors converted to regular ones? That will means only 4 more extra floors, but you have to consider also that the mechanical floors are much higher then the regular ones, so the change to 84 floors shouldn't have added much overall height to the tower.

However that would be right only if all my asumptions above are correct.


The service floors were 22, 54 & 72 which were double heighted. I'm sure the re-design reduced them to single height which means an additional 3 floors for sale, but of course no overall increase in tower height.
I remember when I visited the DS sales office in Dubai about 6 weeks ago, I asked about the height and was told it was actually 7 floors higher which would probably account for the floor total going from 74 to 84 minus the height saving of the 3 service floors. So with 7 extra floors at about say 4m per floor then I would say tower should top out at about 370m.

You never know you they may add a few more floors yet, that slab did seem quite thick !!

There's something that's been bugging me for a while about this tower.
Is the top going to be like in the renderings? Because right now it, well, sucks!

I think there is no finalisation as of yet Malec, because DS will wait and see what kind of design is avaiable at the time of top-out, so whatever is installed is of the latest technology in terms of LED, etc. That's what I was told anyway.

You never know you they may add a few more floors yet, that slab did seem quite thick !![/QUOTE]

that would be nice!

Hi Everyone,

I am new to this forum but have spent the last few days reading through it from the start.

I am considering making an investment into the Torch and would be gratefull of any advice offered. There are obviously some very inteligent experienced investors in here !!

As i have never been in a building as tall as the Torch could anyone let me have some info on how the lift logistics work in a building of this hight, i.e;

How long does it take to go from ground to penthouse?

Is it straight up an down in one lift or is there a change half way up?

What speed are these lifts capable of?

Thanks,

A quick note for now. I think the Torch is now a good investment. Prices are still lower than they should be (less than Bay Central yet earlier completion date), location is great, construction well underway in full swing, breaking ground level soon and will be one of the first super towers to be completed in this area. DS have confirmed that delays should also be compensated.

One piece of advice, buy on a high floor if after a clear marina view, the unknown development in front is rumoured to be around 30 or 40 floors tall, but nothing definate yet.

^^ agreed

Hi Everyone,

I am new to this forum but have spent the last few days reading through it from the start.

I am considering making an investment into the Torch and would be gratefull of any advice offered. There are obviously some very inteligent experienced investors in here !!

As i have never been in a building as tall as the Torch could anyone let me have some info on how the lift logistics work in a building of this hight, i.e;

How long does it take to go from ground to penthouse?

Is it straight up an down in one lift or is there a change half way up?

What speed are these lifts capable of?

Thanks,

please buy 50 apartments in order to save dubai select from bankruptcy and save us all from certain doom and poverty.
thanks.
:cry:

ps i doubt the lifts will work given the shabby history of this despicable outfit. however much you spend, please have enough money left over for a rope ladder and base jumping course.
:tiasd:

^^ huh what shabby history? The construction looks like best quality I have seen so far, only the delay was the problem.

I heard that the lifts will be larger than usual in the torch which will help with getting the furniture up there.

I believe the lifts will go all the way up and are high speed.

But yes, please buy a penthouse or 2 so that DS can make the compensation payments for the delay :D

how do i insert an image next to my name?

go in the User CP and click on "Edit Avatar" on the left side :)

how do i insert an image next to my name?

Keep chatting shit and you'll have a great image! :runaway:

JOKE!

dear investors

i just would like to ask (to the investors) what is your thoughts about the payment schedule of paying 90%. as i am quite worried that DS might declare bankruptcy and walk away with our monies. what are your views investors?

dear investors

i just would like to ask (to the investors) what is your thoughts about the payment schedule of paying 90%. as i am quite worried that DS might declare bankruptcy and walk away with our monies. what are your views investors?

That's the fun of off-plan investment.

Of course it could happen but it's only money, you'd still have your health so why worry ? :ohno:

:lol:

Hi Everyone,

I am new to this forum but have spent the last few days reading through it from the start.

I am considering making an investment into the Torch and would be gratefull of any advice offered. There are obviously some very inteligent experienced investors in here !!

As i have never been in a building as tall as the Torch could anyone let me have some info on how the lift logistics work in a building of this hight, i.e;

How long does it take to go from ground to penthouse?

Is it straight up an down in one lift or is there a change half way up?

What speed are these lifts capable of?

Thanks,


Investing at that level, I would insist on tying the payment schedule to construction progress.

I would also look to change the wording of a couple of points in the contract.

A strong character is a must, this will always until the end going to be a bumpy ride.

Good Luck :cheers:

Regarding the Lift;

Different manufacturers use different technologies, the best way to find the answer is to ask DS about the name of the vendor / manufacturers of the lifts and then contact them to send you the information. If you need some help, once you get the manufacturer information, contact me and I will be happy to both request the information and explain it to you if you wish.

Why there will be a change of lift half-way up?

Of course I would presume that only one or two lifts will go all the way to the top of the tower, while the others shafts will stop somewhere along the way, but there will be clear markings on what floors the specific lift will serve, so unless you'll be taking the wrong one, there will be no need to change lifts half-way up.

Thanks for your advice regarding TT and lifts guys,

It would seem that the general consensus of opinion is to purchase on the highest floor available. I personaly would not want to live 1,000 feet above sea level, but as I am looking to purchase additions to my existing property portfolio, and high rise is the order of the day in Dubai, then i guess that potential tennants will not have an issue with living in the sky, in fact it may be that the young proffessionals will find kudos living in this elevated state.

Does anyone know how much the 3beds were being sold for when the project was originaly launched back in 2005 ??

Any comments on why the penthouses arn't selling ??

I guess that some of the comments being made in here should be taken with a pinch of salt especially things like ;

"please buy 50 apartments in order to save dubai select from bankruptcy and save us all from certain doom and poverty."

&

"ps i doubt the lifts will work given the shabby history of this despicable outfit."

Nothing a good libel lawer couldn't sort out.:bash:

^^

Greetings High Times!

yes, its to be taken with a pinch of salt - he's the self-appointed joker of this thread. dont worry, you'll soon learn to ignore everything he says!

High Times, A pinch of salt, more like a lorry load of Cerebos, you seem to have got your wires mixed up, Our Barry Mcbarry is a wag of the first order, and that is his sense of humour shing through, he is having a dig at the doubters on here, he is an investment machine his self and owns 3/4 of the building, he just want tell us which end, research his posts, and you will gather my drift, I am on Floor 43, and I will Pee on him from a great height.

Alan

High Times, A pinch of salt, more like a lorry load of Cerebos, you seem to have got your wires mixed up, Our Barry Mcbarry is a wag of the first order, and that is his sense of humour shing through, he is having a dig at the doubters on here, he is an investment machine his self and owns 3/4 of the building, he just want tell us which end, research his posts, and you will gather my drift, I am on Floor 43, and I will Pee on him from a great height.

Alan

You use the word ‘doubters’ too casually. Few people have doubted any aspect of the building itself, only the timeframe and communications around that. Anyway, here is a lesson in basic deductive reasoning - lets see if you can get your head around it…

A - ‘Doubters’ [as you put it] are people who expressed concern that Dubai Select couldn’t possibly hit the completion deadline they were communicating.

B Dubai Select sends out letter to investors confirming the deadline was to be pushed back again to something now a little more realistic [after the timeframe was established once pictures were posted on this forum]

A+B = ‘doubters were in fact correct in expressing doubts. Those who attacked the ‘doubters’ are incorrect/naïve.

Joannides

I am not going to get into a fight with you over your defitions of a word I used, you are probably University educated, and much cleverer than me, and I sense you would love a long debate. You know you have choices, and they have accepted liability, and will buy it back from you, where as the Trident Group (Marinascape) have not, they are saying Force Majeure applies, and not compensating, I suspect along with a lot of other developers, all projects are late, and all due to new laws and shortage of supplies, it happens in ervery country, you try building here , it takes 5 years just to get planning, if at all, and red tape by the bucket load.
This thread always goes off course, it's about the torch being built and it's construction, lets keep it there.

Joannides

I am not going to get into a fight with you over your defitions of a word I used, you are probably University educated, and much cleverer than me, and I sense you would love a long debate. You know you have choices, and they have accepted liability, and will buy it back from you, where as the Trident Group (Marinascape) have not, they are saying Force Majeure applies, and not compensating, I suspect along with a lot of other developers, all projects are late, and all due to new laws and shortage of supplies, it happens in ervery country, you try building here , it takes 5 years just to get planning, if at all, and red tape by the bucket load.
This thread always goes off course, it's about the torch being built and it's construction, lets keep it there.

Alan, it has nothing to do with education, but common sense. all i am saying is youre attacking people who expressed concerns that turned out to be real.

I should also point out that on the basis that DS are now starting to be a bit more open and honest with their investors, i feel a lot more comfortable with my investment. i'm very much looking forward to the completion, as i think it will be a great building, but dont decry me and others for expressing concerns when a developer communicates information thats completely unrealistic.

I am sorry Joannides, Open and Honest, should read "They didn't know really what the time frame would be" when they sold us the place they genuinely beleived what there constuction company told them, they would have to, there first building in Dubai, and buildings going up in a couple of years, why would they doubt that, this is my point, how would they know what realistic is.
S**t happens and all the developers are in the same boat, I do not lay the blame at anyone else's door, and the DS web site and communications with me has been superb, they could easily have cried Force Majeaure like so many others, but they have put ther hands up, Beleive me, I want to go out there and live there, so I am stuck in England for the next couple years.

Alan

go in the User CP and click on "Edit Avatar" on the left side :)

thanks.
its clever the way it back dates it.:cheers:

Thanks for your advice regarding TT and lifts guys,

It would seem that the general consensus of opinion is to purchase on the highest floor available. I personaly would not want to live 1,000 feet above sea level, but as I am looking to purchase additions to my existing property portfolio, and high rise is the order of the day in Dubai, then i guess that potential tennants will not have an issue with living in the sky, in fact it may be that the young proffessionals will find kudos living in this elevated state.

Does anyone know how much the 3beds were being sold for when the project was originaly launched back in 2005 ??

Any comments on why the penthouses arn't selling ??

I guess that some of the comments being made in here should be taken with a pinch of salt especially things like ;

"please buy 50 apartments in order to save dubai select from bankruptcy and save us all from certain doom and poverty."

&

"ps i doubt the lifts will work given the shabby history of this despicable outfit."

Nothing a good libel lawer couldn't sort out.:bash:

Do you know a good one?

I'm so disgusted by my ill-considered and intemperate outburst I'm considering taking myself to court.:nuts:

You use the word ‘doubters’ too casually. Few people have doubted any aspect of the building itself, only the timeframe and communications around that. Anyway, here is a lesson in basic deductive reasoning - lets see if you can get your head around it…

A - ‘Doubters’ [as you put it] are people who expressed concern that Dubai Select couldn’t possibly hit the completion deadline they were communicating.

B Dubai Select sends out letter to investors confirming the deadline was to be pushed back again to something now a little more realistic [after the timeframe was established once pictures were posted on this forum]

A+B = ‘doubters were in fact correct in expressing doubts. Those who attacked the ‘doubters’ are incorrect/naïve.

What's seductive reasoning big fella? Sounds good.:naughty:

What's seductive reasoning big fella? Sounds good.:naughty:


okay, i begrudge saying it, but that made me laugh!:)

okay, i begrudge saying it, but that made me laugh!:)

beautiful.

i declare a truce but reserve the right to continue making infantile comments at will.

you're back on the guest list for my housewarming party sometime between 2010 and 2015. bring a raincoat though because agod has promised to piss on our heads (he'll need to be in an aspect 5 apartment or have impressive range).

:banana:

beautiful.

i declare a truce but reserve the right to continue making infantile comments at will.

you're back on the guest list for my housewarming party sometime between 2010 and 2015. bring a raincoat though because agod has promised to piss on our heads (he'll need to be in an aspect 5 apartment or have impressive range).

:banana:

raincoat it is then!

:grouphug:

everyone, cut the crap and stick to project discussion please. let's not flood the thread with pointless :blahblah:

^^ I agree, harmless banter is good, as long as it's done in Moderation or at least with good taste. Please keep the banal comments and the insults to a minimum. This thread is full of bollocks. All im saying is too many unnecessary personal attacks and there's a lot of them!

:lol: ^^

Thought your keyboard had gone faulty for a second!

^^ :applause: :rofl: (referring to NazUK's post)

Hey, HateTorch, take a picture quick to get this thread back on track! :cheers:

im loving barry's posts :lol: .. they are good fun

naz... you are too good:rofl:



....

Joannides, my comments were not necessarily directed at you, that's why i said "everyone"

Does anyone happen to know what the original asking price was for the Torch 3 beds on floors 66-73.

Also what levels of discounts did you Torch investors manage to get.

Would appriciate the info.

:cheers1:

^^ You have to keep in mind that 6 floors were added when the tower got a redesign, so the current 66 - 73 floor where numbered differently when it was launched.

Does anyone happen to know what the original asking price was for the Torch 3 beds on floors 66-73.

Also what levels of discounts did you Torch investors manage to get.

Would appriciate the info.

:cheers1:

The original price for a three bed on 70th floor at launch in June 2005 was

Marina Facing approx AED 2.1m

Pre- launch purchasers received a discount of 2%. Of course prices varied depending on height and views.

However the three bed floorplans were changed following the re-design as four one beds units were slotted in between the four three bed units on each floor. Original net area was 167m but you'd need to check current size with DS as I'm not sure but, perhaps they were made a little smaller, although that said the tower was made wider. Best to work out a size per sq foot and compare. (Prices have increased over the last two years and would be more expensive now, but we are now two years nearer completion of course and at launch the site was just a piece of sand !!)

I reckon the penthouses are a good buy I think they're around AED 5m. Here's an advert showing a penthouse for sale next door in Marina Heights at AED 10m. Not sure how the DS penthouses measure up in comparison of size but again check with DS and work out a sq footage cost. I would guess that build quality will be the same.

IMO a penthouse in the Torch will probably be superior to one in MH as you'd be 80+ floors high as against only 50 floors in MH. Also views will be better as you'll overlook nearly all the other towers such as La Reve, MH, Emirates Crown, Mag 218, Pinnacle etc.etc. There are a lot of towers around at 50-60 floors to spoil your view.

I don't know whether sales of the Torch penthouses are good or bad, but it will be one of the tallest in the block, views from any side will be incredible and I know I'd certainly have one if I could afford it. (Still praying for the lottery win !!) There could easily be a 100% profit in your investment by completion, probably a lot more.


http://i17.tinypic.com/6379829.jpg

Select Property will reward £1000 for every referred customer upon the conclusion of any Dubai sale made as a result of your referral.

Are you going to share Morris :lol:

You are right, the penthouse is a good buy.

Select Property will reward £1000 for every referred customer upon the conclusion of any Dubai sale made as a result of your referral.

Are you going to share Morris :lol:

Of course...........actually I've packed in my day job last week and I'm now living entirely off my referral income from DS.

:lol:

Morris,

Thanks for your input,

Greatly apprecited

High Times

If you go to the home page os DS web site it says "Torch Penthouses" £698.000 each

Alan

Anyone who mentions my name Dubai_Steve when reserving an apartment in the Torch will receive a discount :D

What percentage are Torch buyers paid up on their apartments?

Thanks
d

15/June/2007

The Torch

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Why isn't the core rising?!

that's a pretty big core getting ready to rise...

^^ The formwork is for the central core as well as for the 6 main pillars, so the core is only the square part with a lot of rebars in the centre.

Useful render from malec for 'High Times' showing probable location of extra towers.

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/9982/marinav613ue4.jpg

I would think that the Torch penthouses and high level 3 beds are the best value on the market right now.

that's a pretty big core getting ready to rise...

Getting ready to rise for 1 month now. Part of the second basement level has been poured and they still appear to be struggling with the slip form.

I am finding it really hard to refrain from commenting on this at present but it is clear that DCE are struggling with resources and as for the 24hrs working bollocks, oh well……:ohno:

:pepper: :dance2: :cheers2: :banana:

Amazing render Malec, many thanks Steve.

Shows how good views will be from the top floors. Considering the price of penthouses in La Reve, Pentominum, OH Signature Villas etc. Torch seems an amazingly cheap price -just can't believe they have any left.

Getting ready to rise for 1 month now. Part of the second basement level has been poured and they still appear to be struggling with the slip form.

Don't you think the reason might be the inclusion, except of the core also of the 6 principal load carring pillars?

Just an observation. ;)

^^ No, not at all. Mackie is probably right, they don't have the resources available to get it going. If you look at marina 23 where DCE have the same type of slip form, it looks like they destroyed one of the main shear columns. DCE may have bitten off too much and are probably giving priority to Emaar on Marina Quays site and Park Island.

Who is the contractor for the point? Is it DCE again? They are just phaffing around with a JCB and a handfull of labour. Investors are talking about completion in March 2008 and there isn't even a bit of rebar laid yet.

Time for DCE and DS to get serious about some action on this site. The main slab was poured months ago and since then they haven't launched the core or completed another floor cycle.

^^ No, not at all. Mackie is probably right, they don't have the resources available to get it going. If you look at marina 23 where DCE have the same type of slip form, it looks like they destroyed one of the main shear columns. DCE may have bitten off too much and are probably giving priority to Emaar on Marina Quays site and Park Island.

Who is the contractor for the point? Is it DCE again? They are just phaffing around with a JCB and a handfull of labour. Investors are talking about completion in March 2008 and there isn't even a bit of rebar laid yet.

Time for DCE and DS to get serious about some action on this site. The main slab was poured months ago and since then they haven't launched the core or completed another floor cycle.

The slab was poured on 27/28th April so has been 7 weeks. DCE seem to working on a lot of projects and it's crossed my mind before now, whether they've stretched themselves too far. I can see the September 2009 date slipping now.

Semantics Morris, It wasn't last month it was the month before. "Months"

Semantics Morris, It wasn't last month it was the month before. "Months"

Fair enough........I've edited my post.

^^ No, not at all. Mackie is probably right, they don't have the resources available to get it going. If you look at marina 23 where DCE have the same type of slip form, it looks like they destroyed one of the main shear columns. DCE may have bitten off too much and are probably giving priority to Emaar on Marina Quays site and Park Island.

Who is the contractor for the point? Is it DCE again? They are just phaffing around with a JCB and a handfull of labour. Investors are talking about completion in March 2008 and there isn't even a bit of rebar laid yet.

Time for DCE and DS to get serious about some action on this site. The main slab was poured months ago and since then they haven't launched the core or completed another floor cycle.

^^ I just love the speculation. Funny how the speculation coming from a few posters always has a negative twist.

I have information that the core is being poured today/tomorrow and they will jump again within the week. That's two jumps in a week taking the core above the slabs as it should be. Another floor and they will be at ground level. Hardly a lack of resource don't you think?
The delay was for a technical reason which I believe was beyond control of DCE or even DS.

I may share the details if you guys tone down the negativity as I am sure many of you will shoot down the messenger.
Those of you in the ownersgroup will have had the details through from me.

TTFN

^^ The delay was for a technical reason which I believe was beyond control of DCE or even DS......



Oh you mean force majeure!! Did the crew bus break down and Tata are getting a bill for the compensation :lol:

^^ There you go, no negativity, just a laugh!

Oh you mean force majeure!! Did the crew bus break down and Tata are getting a bill for the compensation :lol:

^^ There you go, no negativity, just a laugh!

Just to put the record straight again, DS have NOT said the delay was Force Majeure.

Hardly a lack of resource don't you think?
The delay was for a technical reason which I believe was beyond control of DCE or even DS.

I may share the details if you guys tone down the negativity as I am sure many of you will shoot down the messenger.
Those of you in the ownersgroup will have had the details through from me.

TTFN

You can stick your details where the sun does not shine, we do this for living you Idiot and as for people that give you there details for your f*****g group, they deserve every thing they get:bash:

Sorry Krazy and Malec but these Idiots get the worse out of me.

Just to put the record straight again, DS have NOT said the delay was Force Majeure.

For my own selfish reasons I wish they said it was due to force majeure

You can stick your details where the sun does not shine, we do this for living you Idiot and as for people that give you there details for your f*****g group, they deserve every thing they get:bash:

Sorry Krazy and Malec but these Idiots get the worse out of me.

:omg:


Just like to point out it should be "their details" :lol: I hate it when people get "there" and their" mixed up, can we set up a group for Correct Spelling please. :lol:

:omg:




Just like to point out it should be "their details" :lol: I hate it when people get "there" and their" mixed up, can we set up a group for Correct Spelling please. :lol:

:) It is a well known fact that Engineers are rubbish at spelling but you can tell how angry I was writing after reading his/her post:)

I am currently learning my 6th language and believe me, I get really confused sometimes, I am currently dreaming in a different language which is worrying:lol:

:) It is a well known fact that Engineers are rubbish at spelling but you can tell how angry I was writing after reading his/her post:)

I am currently learning my 6th language and believe me, I get really confused sometimes, I am currently dreaming in a different language which is worrying:lol:

I've just set up the following group if anybody is interest in joining: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/spellinglessons

You can stick your details where the sun does not shine, we do this for living you Idiot and as for people that give you there details for your f*****g group, they deserve every thing they get:bash:

Sorry Krazy and Malec but these Idiots get the worse out of me.

^^ I am glad I got you wound up. I don't give a toss about what you friggin do for a living! The mere fact that you stoop to such levels and start making personal attacks when someone challanges the cr*p you come up with is enough reason for anyone to ignore your verbal diarrhoea.

You claim to be an engineer and the only reason you could deduce for the core not rising is lack of resources?

All I said in my post was that there was a valid reason for the core not rising and you resorted to personally abusing me. WTF is wrong with you?

And what a convienient time for the mods to look away.....

Hi Dubaipads why won't you let me join your Google Group ?? :cry:

^^ I am glad I got you wound up. I don't give a toss about what you friggin do for a living! The mere fact that you stoop to such levels and start making personal attacks when someone challanges the cr*p you come up with is enough reason for anyone to ignore your verbal diarrhoea.

You claim to be an engineer and the only reason you could deduce for the core not rising is lack of resources?

All I said in my post was that there was a valid reason for the core not rising and you resorted to personally abusing me. WTF is wrong with you?

And what a convienient time for the mods to look away.....

I could educate you but no, it is better for you to retain your little knowledge, you would make a great estate agent.:)

Mild swearing is not against the forum rules, advertising your business is :ohno:

^^ :dunno: I just approved your membership! Should let you in, you are showing up in the member list. PM me if you still have problems.

its great to see the good old torch thread creating tensions again. Very entertaining.

I could educate you but no, it is better for you to retain your little knowledge, you would make a great estate agent.:)

Mild swearing is not against the forum rules, advertising your business is :ohno:

Where does it say that mild swearing and abusing someone personally is not against the forum rules?

What makes you think I want to become an estate agent?

HateTorch, any chance of a picture today? Did they pour the core?

Feel the love, feel the love :banana: :banana: da daaa ddaa dee feel the love :runaway:

^^ Didn't we had a similar kind of exchange in the early days of 2006? :D :runaway:

Yes..verily, we did..but that was different, you see..wait let me explain....


....that was totally different because :runaway:

^^ :dunno: I just approved your membership! Should let you in, you are showing up in the member list. PM me if you still have problems.

Many thanks..........wow..........there's some interesting stuff in there. And I know the true reason for the slip form delay. Terrific stuff.

Please let us keep away from personal attacks because it will put people off participating in this forum and this would be a real shame.

:wtf:


:hilarious :hilarious :hilarious

You won't see this tower above the street until about May/June. Progress has not been good in my opinion and they are still messing around in the deep lift pit. This suggests to me that they don't have the information (revised design drawings)to really get going.



Boy, I got that wrong by about 2 - 3 months.

Interesting quote from the master of re-quotes dated 25th November 06;

Originaly posted by Morrismarina
Unfortunately, great though the Internet is for obtaining information, the downside is that there is enormous scope for false information, scaremongering and attempts to discredit others. Brace yourselves, we're going to hear much more of this type of stuff.
In six months time there will be posts like " they're only up to floor 20, they should have been on floor 50 by now, what's going on, investors are being duped, pull all your money out" . Or in 12 months time...... "they should have had the windows in 2 months ago, nothing's happening, we're being taken for a ride, they'll never finish it, they've run out of money, let's get together and demonstrate at DS offices".
Yes we've got this all to come I'm afraid....but hey, that's the Internet folks.

Great choice of words!!

Reading that again, what would you have said, back then, if I told you it would still be in the hole with the core not even launched in June 07?

it's clear that anyone who believes DS and doesn't realize that this won't be handed over anytime before 2011 is living in his or her own world.

Morris has many quotes but this one is my favourite on the 13th Nov 05.

Dubai Select only have this one development to look after, unlike Damac, Naheel etc. and other large developers so they can fully concentrate on getting this one right. Also it’s going to be their “show piece” and they surely want it to be finished to the highest standards with no hitches along the way as the success of the Torch will govern their ability to take on any other future developments.

In any case there probably isn't any delay at all, they have 2.5 years to build and seems about on track to me. I hear that the Mag 218 tower is to be finished about the same time as the Torch and Nakheel have just awarded their piling contract as well so timescales seem OK to me.

it's clear that anyone who believes DS and doesn't realize that this won't be handed over anytime before 2011 is living in his or her own world.

Good job they agreed to pay compensation to everyone then until it is complete. It is now in their interest to get this done ASAP.

Krazy, your crazy, fancy a $1000 bet that it will be handed over before then.

Alan

According to Kuoni, we will have a forest in front of the Torch :)

What happened to all the cranes and building sites? :bash:


http://i7.tinypic.com/53hosqc.jpg

wishfull thinking of a forest on that plot, think the developers wont be too happy giving up that plot for some greenery, hope so for the torch buyers though.

HateTorch, any chance of a picture today? Did they pour the core?

Date: 16 June 2007, 12pm.
They have been doing alot of night work for the past few days.
Princess Tower is also busy too.

I will update again today later in the day ..

http://i18.tinypic.com/6f5coqf.jpg

Morris has many quotes but this one is my favourite on the 13th Nov 05.

You know what Mackie I often wonder whether you've really purchased a unit(s) in TT. Now I can to a small extent I can understand where True Blue's comments come from, he has no connection with this developement or DS and takes great joy in slaggging off anything to do with it at every opportunity. A bit nasty but that's how his personality is made up, he can't help it. But.....you....you're exactly the same probably on a higher level. And yet you claim you've purchased here. Something's not right, you've no interest in joining the Owners Group either, again not conculsive evidence but let's say, slightly odd IMO.
What exactly is it that you've bought in TT Mackie ?? (Would you really go round calling your own baby ugly ??).

looking at hate torch pic there, can somebody tell me if they are pouring the first or the second basement slab ?

Just goes to prove, even the gods can make mistakes sometimes. :runaway:

You can stick your details where the sun does not shine, we do this for living you Idiot and as for people that give you there details for your f*****g group, they deserve every thing they get:bash:

Sorry Krazy and Malec but these Idiots get the worse out of me.

very calm, very measured, very rational.:nuts: :weird:

i'm looking for someone to work as an engineer on my latest project (a matchstick dolls house for my 1yo daughter) and you seem to have all the necessary qualities.

Come on, JOIN THE TEAM!:master:

by the way moderators, i think the torch thread is so popular (note the thread count) due to the uniquely imbecilic nature of some of its contributors.
:clown:

obviously great photo posts and SOME very wise engineering expertise, but lets not discourage the moronic fringe. particularly when they're starting to get so cross.:bleep: :lol:

You know what Mackie I often wonder whether you've really purchased a unit(s) in TT. Now I can to a small extent I can understand where True Blue's comments come from, he has no connection with this developement or DS and takes great joy in slaggging off anything to do with it at every opportunity. A bit nasty but that's how his personality is made up, he can't help it. But.....you....you're exactly the same probably on a higher level. And yet you claim you've purchased here. Something's not right, you've no interest in joining the Owners Group either, again not conculsive evidence but let's say, slightly odd IMO.
What exactly is it that you've bought in TT Mackie ?? (Would you really go round calling your own baby ugly ??).

I have read both Trueblue’s posting along yours and I can’t find any evidence of this nasty personality you talk about, in fact his views are extremely valuable to people on this forum, unlike your unbalanced and consistent biased views.

I have indeed bought in the Torch (let us discuss clause 15 on page 12 of every contract I have here, Default) and as I explained to you before, I find it hard to remain loyal to somebody who lies constantly to us (I could do a full list) and I do not have any particular emotional attachment to TT.

When they signed the contract with the main contractor, they knew all about the 09/09 never mind the delay beyond this date. You are prepared to find excuses for them, I am not and just as they are making good money out of this, I would like to make some too, especially I am the one keeping my end of the deal by paying on or before time.

As for the owners group, I am not even going to attempt to respond to this one, I am too far ahead of the game much more than you would imagine :)

I thought you told me that you loved me……:hug:

very calm, very measured, very rational.:nuts: :weird:

i'm looking for someone to work as an engineer on my latest project (a matchstick dolls house for my 1yo daughter) and you seem to have all the necessary qualities.

Come on, JOIN THE TEAM!:master:

A 1 year old can be very demanding and she will probably expect it finished by her 2nd birthday, no........ too much of a tough client for me.

On the other hand if the dolls house was for you, I expect you to wait forever and that would be easy, even for me.:)

If you want to be funny, try to be original (you nearly achieved this previously), read Naz’s posts, he is the real deal when it comes to funny guys on this forum. :bash:

Date: 16 June 2007, 12pm.
They have been doing alot of night work for the past few days.
Princess Tower is also busy too.

I will update again today later in the day ..

http://i18.tinypic.com/6f5coqf.jpg

^^ As I said yesterday, looks like they are pouring the core. Look out for another jump later this week.

Thanks for your advice regarding TT and lifts guys,

It would seem that the general consensus of opinion is to purchase on the highest floor available. I personaly would not want to live 1,000 feet above sea level, but as I am looking to purchase additions to my existing property portfolio, and high rise is the order of the day in Dubai, then i guess that potential tennants will not have an issue with living in the sky, in fact it may be that the young proffessionals will find kudos living in this elevated state.

Does anyone know how much the 3beds were being sold for when the project was originaly launched back in 2005 ??

Any comments on why the penthouses arn't selling ??

I guess that some of the comments being made in here should be taken with a pinch of salt especially things like ;

"please buy 50 apartments in order to save dubai select from bankruptcy and save us all from certain doom and poverty."

&

"ps i doubt the lifts will work given the shabby history of this despicable outfit."

Nothing a good libel lawer couldn't sort out.:bash:

Welcome to the board!

I could be wrong but didn't DS get rid of the penthouse floors, moving the 3beds up and adding more 2beds? At one stage I was negotiating with them to swap my two 2beds for a penthouse with cash adjustment but things went quiet at their end... next thing I knew, they had reconfigured the building; in the end I bought another 2bed as I think these are what the rental market wants.

On another matter, a few people here have been saying that DS have agreed to compensate buyers for late delivery. When the initial delay was announced (I feel there will be further reschedulings to come...) and DS wrote to me I took it up with them and a senior company representative called me to discuss the situation. He said he would raise my concerns at a board meeting and come back to me, but I heard nothing...

Date: 17-June-2007, GMT+4

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Date: 17-June-2007, GMT+4

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Welcome to the board!

I could be wrong but didn't DS get rid of the penthouse floors, moving the 3beds up and adding more 2beds? At one stage I was negotiating with them to swap my two 2beds for a penthouse with cash adjustment but things went quiet at their end... next thing I knew, they had reconfigured the building; in the end I bought another 2bed as I think these are what the rental market wants.

On another matter, a few people here have been saying that DS have agreed to compensate buyers for late delivery. When the initial delay was announced (I feel there will be further reschedulings to come...) and DS wrote to me I took it up with them and a senior company representative called me to discuss the situation. He said he would raise my concerns at a board meeting and come back to me, but I heard nothing...

As far as i am aware there are still 4 penthouses available as i was considering buying one up until very recently.

After resesarch and due diligence I decided against the idea.

"Hate Torch", Thanks for posting these pics great to see progress.

Can any of the engineering experts give me a dummies guide to construction with regard to the recent pics in the posts by Hate Torch.

To the untrained eye it just looks like a load of scaffolding and some reinforcing bar scatteres around.

Would it be possible for an explanation as to whats going on with the hole in the sand? :wtf:

Thanks in advance,

Date: 17-June-2007, GMT+4

http://i8.tinypic.com/4uwaybk.jpg

Thanks HateTorch, appreciate your efforts :cheers:

As far as i am aware there are still 4 penthouses available as i was considering buying one up until very recently.

After resesarch and due diligence I decided against the idea.

Why did you decide against the Torch penthouse exactly? Prices are lower than most other towers and completion is in 812 days time.

There's an article in today's ArabianBusiness.com website about the Torch and progress to date..couldn't be asked posting it, so here's the link:http://www.arabianbusiness.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14311&newsletter=1

^^ Good article. The composition of the concrete was the main reason the core was being held back. These issues have been overcome and it looks like full steam ahead.

Why did you decide against the Torch penthouse exactly? Prices are lower than most other towers and completion is in 812 days time.

Steve,

When i buy property it is as a business and to generate income for further re-investment. I was considering a Penthouse for the very reasons you mention "Cheap in comparison to other penthouses". I nearly let vanity get the better of me and purchased a penthouse but luckily my business brain re-engaged and i decided against it.

I'm sure they will be lovely penthouses but it limits your market somewhat from a rentals point of view either short or long term.

In my experience most penthouses tend to be owner occupied or corporate ownership. This is why i decided against TT penthouses.

:2cents:

From the article^^ :

"If it was England or Hong Kong, getting a building permit would certainly never take a year. A few months maybe," adds Mullen."

^^ Not sure about Hong Kong but planning permission for a bulding that size in a major city in England could take up to 5 years! That too after endless revisions and restrictions. In fact I doubt a lot of the Towers being built in Dubai would ever get planning permission in England full stop. It is hard enough getting permission for a 1 bedroom extension or even a garage!


(In the above comment I am assuming a building permit is similar to planning permission in the UK?? Correct me if I am wrong)

^^ No it's the same as a warrant. Read the article and can't see the part where it says that the concrete composition was the reason for the core delay. Clearly an article sponsored by DS in my opinion.

Have serious concerns about attempting to pump concrete all the way to the top in one go. I have been present when a steel pipe ruptured during a pumped pour and was lucky to escape unhurt. That was only pumping 8 floors. What kind of pressures are they dealing with at these heights? You can't just multiply the height by the density of concrete. What about the force required to overcome friction.

It's all about risk management nowadays, not worth the risk attempting it and killing someone if it goes wrong. Maybe they have worked out that the cost of hiring and installing a couple of intermediate stations is greater than the $30,000 compensation for killing someone. :dunno:

There's an article in today's ArabianBusiness.com website about the Torch and progress to date..couldn't be asked posting it, so here's the link:http://www.arabianbusiness.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14311&newsletter=1


In the article it says that the Torch is going to have 86 floors and is going to be 352 metres high. So 7 metres more :D

The article does not talk about the composition of the concrete. I had already read the article in the morning, before Naz posted the link and when I read Dubai.Pads post was wondering myself as well, thinking maybe there's a different article.

I think Dubai.Pads just messed up with the sentencing and forgot to press "Enter" twice ;)

As for the article itself, I don't know why they have to come up now with the story of the building permit taking one year, when that was issued by the Municipality many months ago, propably even last year (can't remember exactly the time, but it was really long ago).

The article does not talk about the composition of the concrete. I had already read the article in the morning, before Naz posted the link and when I read Dubai.Pads post was wondering myself as well, thinking maybe there's a different article.

I think Dubai.Pads just messed up with the sentencing and forgot to press "Enter" twice ;)

As for the article itself, I don't know why they have to come up now with the story of the building permit taking one year, when that was issued by the Municipality many months ago, propably even last year (can't remember exactly the time, but it was really long ago).

Sorry I should have been more lucid. The article just verfied the concrete DCE were using. The concrete composition was the reason I was given by my DCE contact as the reason for the delayed pouring of the core. He said the local plants were struggling to supply the required composition. All were using additives that would cause the concrete to stick to the slip form (causing damage) and clog the pumping lines. Al-Fallah have now managed to provide the concrete in the required strength without the sticky properties. The concrete was first tested on another DCE building pumped to height of 29 floors before being used for the Torch core.

Hope that clears any confusion in my previous post.

[QUOTE=True Blue;13796620
Have serious concerns about attempting to pump concrete all the way to the top in one go. I have been present when a steel pipe ruptured during a pumped pour and was lucky to escape unhurt. That was only pumping 8 floors. What kind of pressures are they dealing with at these heights? You can't just multiply the height by the density of concrete. What about the force required to overcome friction.

It's all about risk management nowadays, not worth the risk attempting it and killing someone if it goes wrong. Maybe they have worked out that the cost of hiring and installing a couple of intermediate stations is greater than the $30,000 compensation for killing someone. :dunno:[/QUOTE]


^^ Agree with above concerns. I will see what the guy at DCE has to say.

A 1 year old can be very demanding and she will probably expect it finished by her 2nd birthday, no........ too much of a tough client for me.

On the other hand if the dolls house was for you, I expect you to wait forever and that would be easy, even for me.:)

If you want to be funny, try to be original (you nearly achieved this previously), read Naz’s posts, he is the real deal when it comes to funny guys on this forum. :bash:

i am bernard manning to naz uk's eddie izzard:hammer:

my daughter is distraught.............:cry:

I thought you told me that you loved me……:hug:

Hi Mackie, back on line now after 3 days with a virus.......bloody PC's. Yes you're still my bestist friend :kiss:







......even though you annoy the hell out of me sometimes :lol: :lol: :lol:

......even though you annoy the hell out of me sometimes :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: Fair enough, Truce until the next round……..soon :kiss:

^^ No it's the same as a warrant. Read the article and can't see the part where it says that the concrete composition was the reason for the core delay. Clearly an article sponsored by DS in my opinion.

Have serious concerns about attempting to pump concrete all the way to the top in one go. I have been present when a steel pipe ruptured during a pumped pour and was lucky to escape unhurt. That was only pumping 8 floors. What kind of pressures are they dealing with at these heights? You can't just multiply the height by the density of concrete. What about the force required to overcome friction.

It's all about risk management nowadays, not worth the risk attempting it and killing someone if it goes wrong. Maybe they have worked out that the cost of hiring and installing a couple of intermediate stations is greater than the $30,000 compensation for killing someone. :dunno:

True Blue re your quote, her's an article I found last night that might interest you, it seems it can be done.

Alan



Burj Dubai:Unimix sets record for concrete pumping
Fri 25 May 2007 10:31:15 AM

Dubai: Readymix concrete maker Unimix has made history by setting a world record for the highest single-stage pumping of concrete on May 13, the company said in an e-mailed statement yesterday.



"The previous record of 448 metres set at the 508-metre-high Taipei 101 building in Taiwan was surpassed by Unimix when Grade 80 MPa HPC was pumped vertically to a height of 452 metres at level 126 of the Burj Dubai," the statement said.

A significant aspect in the Burj Dubai pumping operation is that a very low water-cement ratio, high-strength concrete mix was pumped single-stage to this new record height.

Low water-cement ratio mixes are the most difficult to pump.


"As for Unimix, this is a record-breaking feat for Putzmeister as well, as the pumping operation was successfully accomplished with the help of the super high pressure Putzmeister BSA-14000 SHPD pumps," it said.

"To date, Unimix has supplied more than 305,000 cubic metres of high-performance concrete (HPC) mixes for the Burj Dubai project.

Preferred choice

HPC mixes are the preferred choice of clients since they provide both very good flow characteristics and high strength, thus making it highly beneficial for easy consolidation.

"The concrete in the Burj Dubai structure can easily be claimed to have the best and close to perfect consolidation and finish, thanks to the excellent placement methods employed by the main contractor, Samsung-Besix-Arabtec JV."

The Burj Dubai has reached a height of 452 metres. The final height of the tower remains a closely guarded secret.

However, it will be the world's tallest tower upon completion at the end of 2008.
Source:Gulfnews,Dubai

^^ True_Blue knows that verey well. His point was different, more specific and in relation to a previous post.

(not talking in general if the concrete can be pumped or not that high)

True Blue is a God round here! His views are always very professional and technically accurate. It's just that sometimes he disses Dubai Select...and that..<quivers>...that makes..<sniff sniff> makes me upset.....

<sniff> I'm ok..i'm Ok.... Anyway...i gotta go...i got something in my eye.

Would you enlighten me please.

Alan


^^ True_Blue knows that verey well. His point was different, more specific and in relation to a previous post.

(not talking in general if the concrete can be pumped or not that high)

Hi Guys

First , a few accolades to the contibutors of the forum. I find it entertaining as well as informative. Thanks to all... especially the engineers and the photographers.

I am also a member of the Torch Owners Group: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/torchowners

and would urge all owners to join. It's a usefull source of information and with sufficient numbers we may be able to lobby DS on matters of interest.

Now that I have said me piece I will get back to my siesta.

^^ No it's the same as a warrant. Read the article and can't see the part where it says that the concrete composition was the reason for the core delay. Clearly an article sponsored by DS in my opinion.

Have serious concerns about attempting to pump concrete all the way to the top in one go. I have been present when a steel pipe ruptured during a pumped pour and was lucky to escape unhurt. That was only pumping 8 floors. What kind of pressures are they dealing with at these heights? You can't just multiply the height by the density of concrete. What about the force required to overcome friction.

It's all about risk management nowadays, not worth the risk attempting it and killing someone if it goes wrong. Maybe they have worked out that the cost of hiring and installing a couple of intermediate stations is greater than the $30,000 compensation for killing someone. :dunno:

On the issue of killing someone if things go wrong.................are you a chelsea fan?:blahblah:

^^ I'm not so familiar with the supporter's map of UK, but it seams unlikely to me that a Scotish man would be a Chelsea (of London) supporter.

Maybe I'm wrong. :dunno:

Chelsea, I hate Chelsea :D:D:D:D No joke :)

The borough of Chelsea is a lovely place. The football team on the other hand are a bunch of w*****s.

^^ I thought you didn't give a s**t about Football. :dunno:

I don't. Which is why i called them a bunch of w*****s.

everyone, cut the crap and stick to project discussion please. let's not flood the thread with pointless :blahblah:

do discussions about Chelsea (either Borough of Kensington & Chelsea or Chelsea Football Club) fall into the pointless blahblah?

^^ yes they do. I haven't really been following this thread sorry.

Date: 22-June-2007, 12:15pm, GMT+4

In Marina, early morning (6am) and weekends are nice times to look at the sea. During those times, there are hardly any traffic and the sea's visibility is very good, even through windows.

http://i10.tinypic.com/4ka88pj.jpg

Marina Heights is the best thing that could have ever happened to the Torch plot, if only for constant updates from a good angle. :lol:

The good visibility today is not related to the lack of traffic and/or the early morning hours, rather to the relatively strong winds blowing from the sea last evening and during all night, pushing the sand and dust back into the desert.

However today seamed the winds had changed direction, so tomorrow might not be so clear.

BTW, A Tip For Better Pic Quality: Half-press the shooter button and keep it so till you'd hear a click sound, which will show that the camera (on your Nokia N95) completed the autofocusing process. Only then you press fully to snap the picture. :cheers:

nice pic, keep the good work up.:nocrook:

^^ I'm not so familiar with the supporter's map of UK, but it seams unlikely to me that a Scotish man would be a Chelsea (of London) supporter.

Maybe I'm wrong. :dunno:

London is my home. I AM NOT SCOTTISH. Now I'm really angry.:blahblah:

I agree with Naz UK.........Chelsea are a bunch of w******s (winners).:blahblah:

And to keep the moderators happy:

What time do people think the torch will be finished?:lol:

I agree that Scottish , people would not support Chelsea Fc !
As im scottish , why does that make you angry?

We are an "brainy" bunch up here!
Who invented the following , telephone, tv,tarmac, Tyre[Dunlop] penicilion & Golf & many more -yes they were all scottish.

:banana:

I am also thinking of investing in the torch , can anybody give me an exact date for the completion.

Date: 22-June-2007, 12:15pm, GMT+4

In Marina, early morning (6am) and weekends are nice times to look at the sea. During those times, there are hardly any traffic and the sea's visibility is very good, even through windows.

http://i10.tinypic.com/4ka88pj.jpg

is it me, or we are not far from ground level???
good to see some progress.

we are indeed not far from groundlevel. the next floor will reach it :cheers:

is it me, or we are not far from ground level???
good to see some progress.

it's you:wink2:

looks like boards are up on the emaar site in front of TT.

Anyone know exactly whats going there yet ?

Those boards in the picture above have been up for ages. Or are there new boards you are talking about? As far as I know the construction is "On Hold" maybe some redesign, tender etc happening in the background.

It's just Emaar, "biding their time" <hands clasped together like Montgomerie Burns>. They'll annouce it once they've "tied-up" a few "investors" with some of their "marketing" skills and one-day property "sales". I should really stop putting certain words in inverted commas like that.

Well whatever emaar decid eto put on that plot i wish they would make it public knowledge soon as it will have a big impact on anyone investing in TT

It'll be announced as soon as sufficient apartments are sold in their other developments. It's like anything, e.g. technology. For example, you wouldn't expect Sony to launch the PS4 anytime soon or until such a point that they were pretty satisfied with PS3 sales. Otherwise, if they did, do you really think the PS3 would fly off the shelves as its currently doing? (Did i just subliminally support the PS3 there? DAMMIT! I meant the Xbox360).

So the moral of the story is, always buy an XBOX360 over a PS3. Or something.

HAs anyone mentiond how ideal it would be for those plots to be sold to DAMAC?

anyhow, they have really filled in that nice hole since i last checked. shame really, it was the best in the area.

It'll be announced as soon as sufficient apartments are sold in their other developments. It's like anything, e.g. technology. For example, you wouldn't expect Sony to launch the PS4 anytime soon or until such a point that they were pretty satisfied with PS3 sales. Otherwise, if they did, do you really think the PS3 would fly off the shelves as its currently doing? (Did i just subliminally support the PS3 there? DAMMIT! I meant the Xbox360).

So the moral of the story is, always buy an XBOX360 over a PS3. Or something.

Another example would be: you wouldn't expect Damac to launch Ocean Heights 2 before they have enough units sold in Ocean Heights 1 to be able to build that one, right? Right??? :nuts:

^^ Yeah but we all know that Damac doesn't go by the same economic standarts as SONY or any other company for that matter. :D

So the moral of the story is, always buy an XBOX360 over a PS3. Or something.

Amen to that.:banana:

i didn't know they had economics standards :lol:



^^ Yeah but we all know that Damac doesn't go by the same economic standarts as SONY or any other company for that matter. :D

^^ Isn't that in principle, what I said as well?

Well whatever emaar decid eto put on that plot i wish they would make it public knowledge soon as it will have a big impact on anyone investing in TT

When we know, everyone will know, and it will be TOO LATE!!!!!!!!!:cry:

Sell now, even at a knock down rate, or lose everything.

PS

I have a "friend" who is looking to purchase somewhere in the marina, preferably in a building with some kind of fiery motif, but he's skint.

Any ideas?:D

Hi All

Can somone put me right, on where this is going in the Marina, I think it's a central position, or is it going in front of the Torch.

Alan



Dubai: Emaar Properties has launched the Dubai Marina Mall Hotel, a 200-room luxury waterfront hospitality project, within Dubai Marina.


Emaar unveils Dubai Marina Mall Hotel


Dubai: Emaar Properties has launched the Dubai Marina Mall Hotel, a 200-room luxury waterfront hospitality project, within Dubai Marina. The Dubai Marina Mall Hotel is part of the 150,000 sq m Dubai Marina Mall complex that also includes the Dubai Marina Mall Serviced Residences, the Dubai Marina Mall - a modern shopping and entertainment destination, and an 8-storey tower dedicated to diverse cuisines.

“The 5-star Dubai Marina Mall Hotel will meet the strong demand for world-class hotel-rooms in the new growth corridor of Dubai and offers guests easy access to the Dubai Internet City, Dubai Media City and Jebel Ali Free Zone,” said Mr Marc Dardenne, CEO, Emaar Hospitality Group LLC. “The hotel’s waterfront location and rich array of lifestyle amenities will appeal to leisure travellers, while business visitors can enjoy the added advantages of a state-of-the-art meeting and conference facility.”

Dubai Marina Mall Hotel has been intelligently designed to highlight the advantage of its waterfront location. It is elegantly clad in Mashrabia-patterned concrete and features a glass crown that gives the tower a distinct identity.

“Dubai Marina Mall Hotel will be managed by a reputable 5-star operator, and shall be focused on offering the luxuries expected of world-class hotels,” said Mr Dardenne. “This is reflected in the extensive range of health and fitness facilities, the spa, guest lounges, all-day dining and specialty restaurants and a car park that can accommodate 450 vehicles.”

The hotel has internal walkways to the Dubai Marina Mall, which will have several retail outlets, food courts and entertainment options. The banquet facilities are located above the car park annex giving the guests a private domain for hosting functions. Other facilities include a business centre with extensive meeting facilities, a health spa and fitness centre including change rooms, steam room and whirlpools, a large outdoor pool with children’s pool and an Executive lounge with outdoor terrace and children’s play area located on the 14th Floor.

Dubai Marina is a 50 million sq ft mega project with 11 km of waterfront boardwalk and five marinas that can berth over 500 vessels. A centrepiece of the development is the Dubai Marina Motor Yacht Club, scheduled to open later this year, and offering an array of Marina-related services to members. The club will power Dubai Marina’s concerted efforts to become a premier water sports destination.

Emaar is developing six residential projects within Dubai Marina. Three of them – Al Majara, Al Sahab and The Dubai Marina Towers – have been handed over to residents. Investor response to the three other up-and-coming projects – Marina Promenade, Marina Quays and Park Island – has been overwhelming. The master-development has a projected population of 75,000, and there are already several thousands of people living within Dubai Marina.
Source:Emaar, Dubai

go to the investment section... questions are answered there:)


When we know, everyone will know, and it will be TOO LATE!!!!!!!!!:cry:

Sell now, even at a knock down rate, or lose everything.

PS

I have a "friend" who is looking to purchase somewhere in the marina, preferably in a building with some kind of fiery motif, but he's skint.

Any ideas?:D

Hi All

Can somone put me right, on where this is going in the Marina, I think it's a central position, or is it going in front of the Torch.

Alan



Dubai: Emaar Properties has launched the Dubai Marina Mall Hotel, a 200-room luxury waterfront hospitality project, within Dubai Marina.


No, totally different project and location. Check this thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=295369&page=20

Thanks AltinD

HateTorch, any chance of an update?

TIA

^^ I think he would around test driving the Prado, on and off road. :D

dear investors

any chance of DS going bust just like what happened to the pearl project when work stopped on the eighth floor on one of their towers. I do fear loosing our money. if DS do go bust what do we do?

^^ We continue posting loony comments like that on this forum for internal solace and peace of mind.

Date: 28-June-2007, GMT+4, 10:00 am

They have been working throughout the night working concrete into the center pit.

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dear investors

any chance of DS going bust just like what happened to the pearl project when work stopped on the eighth floor on one of their towers. I do fear loosing our money. if DS do go bust what do we do?

Basicaly we all drive up to Cheshire and bust some skulls with 50mm Rebar.

Aaah. Skull busting. That old Manchester past-time. I miss it.

Dear smshah

Something tells me you are a worried man, :cry: perhaps this property game is not for you, :ohno: perhaps your money would be better off in a Building Society, :lol: but Oooppps sometimes they fail as well, :ohno: I notice by your previous posts you where worried then as well, :cry: in fact every post has you worried, please, please, do not take this as a personal attack on you, :bash: I do this with a sense of humour, :lol: and anytime now as this tower begins to rise, and investors money pours in, :banana: they will rush to buy it from you, at a handsome profit, :cheers: and then your posts will be all about, what a smart cookie you are :D

Alan

Aaah. Skull busting. That old Manchester past-time. I miss it.

Yes Naz,

All the more rewarding when the recipient is in some way conected to the real estate industry. :bash:

dear investors

any chance of DS going bust just like what happened to the pearl project when work stopped on the eighth floor on one of their towers. I do fear loosing our money. if DS do go bust what do we do?

we will form a large group and jump off the second (top) floor of the completed building, sustaining broken toes and a few bruises.:nuts:

^^ Do you mean the second above ground of the structure or the labelled second floor? ... Is a huge difference right there.:yes:

^^ Do you mean the second above ground of the structure or the labelled second floor? ... Is a huge difference right there.:yes:

I figured 2nd above ground. Thats when the money will run out.:cheers:

Basicaly we all drive up to Cheshire and bust some skulls with 50mm Rebar.

I don't think there'll ever be a need for anything like this.

DS is very closely associated with one easily-traced individual based in the country that most of the investors hail from. This is a pretty strong incentive for him not to run away with our money.

Setting aside the fact that the police wouldn't be slow to act if anything untoward happened, with three major developments (five towers) in total underway, anyone contemplating doing a runner would have to work on the basis that there would be a handful of buyers who - how can I put this? - made their money in sectors where direct persuasion, as hinted at by the previous post, rather than exchanging polite solicitors' letters, is the default way of settling disputes. When it boils down to it, much as entrepreneurs value other people's cash, they appreciate their kneecaps more...

I hope I won't ever come to regret it, but this is why I believe we can be pretty certain that we won't see a repeat of The Lighthouse with any of the DS projects.

I do not believe what I am reading here, are we still on the Skyscraper forum? :bash:

29/June/2007

The Torch

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^^ WE HAVE LIFT-OFF!! :banana: :cheers: :banana2: :cheers1: :banana:


Great! I can go on holiday now.:goodbye:

I’m happy for Torch investors,
"Go On Torch"
And keep raising

Can anyone offer an explanation as to whats happening in the recent pics ??

Whats the red corregated metal for ?

Nice to see that the beast is aproaching the ground anyway

Can anyone offer an explanation as to whats happening in the recent pics ??

Whats the red corregated metal for ?

Nice to see that the beast is aproaching the ground anyway

After a few months of the core slipform lying redundant, it is now climbing.

The red metal structure is the slipfom itself and the corregated sheet is just a weather sheild. It also helps people who don't like working at heights as it takes away the view. Not that that's a problem just now, but hopefully!!

^^ Plus being colorfull it enhances the views in the area.

^^ WE HAVE LIFT-OFF!! :banana: :cheers: :banana2: :cheers1: :banana:


Great! I can go on holiday now.:goodbye:

^^ True Blue, thats the happiest I have seen you on the Torch thread!

Enjoy your holiday....is it a long one :) :cheers:

^^ True Blue, thats the happiest I have seen you on the Torch thread!

Enjoy your holiday....is it a long one :) :cheers:

I'm always happy when the concrete is flowing like the waters of the Clyde.

Off for 2 weeks on RCCL Navigator of the Seas. www.navigatoroftheseas.co.uk/

I'm always happy when the concrete is flowing like the waters of the Clyde.

Off for 2 weeks on RCCL Navigator of the Seas. www.navigatoroftheseas.co.uk/

Now I'm friggin jealous! Maybe when I am older I will go on a cruise :wink2: Have a good one :cheers:

After a few months of the core slipform lying redundant, it is now climbing.

The red metal structure is the slipfom itself and the corregated sheet is just a weather sheild. It also helps people who don't like working at heights as it takes away the view. Not that that's a problem just now, but hopefully!!

What exactly is a Slipform system and how does it work ?

Thx

So am i right in thinking that in the 2nd pic that Imre has just posted, they will pour concrete on top of the reinforcing bar then level and polish it and take away the sheets to leave a clean finished concrete ? ?

Sorry if this seems like a stupid question.

But I'm stupid

Thanks