Date: 20-Oct-2007, 1236hr, GMT+4

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Date: 20-Oct-2007, 1330hr, GMT+4

Slab pouring just started.

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Let us hope the plot to the side and front remain empty for a while. God only knows where would we be if there was another contractor there :nuts:

Morris; You re on your last warning for bashing DS/SG/DCE, I can see now why you were sacked:)

Not a straight forward comparison but it gives you some ideas !! Timeplace, nearly 2 years ago by the same contractor (over 500 workers, same 24 hrs working bollocks, smaller plot, 35 floors, no podium) still being built.

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HateTorch do you think they poured the core while they were at it? Looks like it it was ready to jump.

Have you bought in the Torch then AltinD :D

I'm altruist. :yes:

so we'll make u the allocated driver then:lol:

but please, lets get back to torch oriented chatter, walls have ears:lol:

no doubt the torch has what looks like a bigger podium than other development, possibly explaining the slower vertical climb

Can those in the know please let me know if my information is correct in respect of projects surrounding my beloved Torch.

As always your input is appreciated.

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Many thanks,

HT

Not quite, but its a good first attempt. C+ Try harder next time. And tuck your shirt in.

^^ Oh no ... the "tuck your shirt in..." comment again. :runaway:



BTW High Times, Pentominium is next to 23Marina so on the other side of the Mall's entrance. ... yeah a deserved C+ indeed. :D

I think La Reve needs to be on there.

^^ D- for you Morris. :ohno:



:D

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This might help !!!

^^ In that map the plot of Pentominium (left side of 23Marina) is not shown.

Not quite, but its a good first attempt. C+ Try harder next time. And tuck your shirt in.

Something you obviously wouldn't have a problem with, as like many old people, you wear your trousers just under your nipples! :runaway:

^^ Have you started talking to yourself again? :runaway:

The correct map


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^^ D- for you Morris. :ohno:

:D

Sorry Sir, can I do a re-take ??


:lol:

Thanks Guys, :)

Shocking to note that the smallest tower in this block is 207 meters!!! This would easily be the tallest tower in like 100 countries!

^^ 101 including also Papua New Guinea. :yes:

Any updates on the Torch? :lol:

^^ Yeah 501 workers are working on site now.

^^ 101 including also Papua New Guinea. :yes:

Hey what are you talking about:ohno:, the Kalibobo lighthouse in Madang is super tall I would say AT LEAST 20 meters:bash:








:D

^^ Yeah 501 workers are working on site now.

Did they get them from the Levi factory? :lol:

is that a vacant plot next to al seef?

For a wafer thin tower, yes.

Hey what are you talking about:ohno:, the Kalibobo lighthouse in Madang is super tall I would say AT LEAST 20 meters:bash:








:D

Sorry I didn't know that. I just included becouse Naz said recently to have visited that Middle Eastern country and not to have been impressed by it, so I just wanted to confort him in a way. :(






:D

24/October/2007

The Torch

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Is this a mistake in the construction ? look at the missing concrete ! :nuts:

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thought the same when i saw it ^^

No! Its a pull out strip. Used to quickly key in the floor to the wall without the traditional problem of having starter bars poking through the formwork.

any update i say update plz lol

No! Its a pull out strip. Used to quickly key in the floor to the wall without the traditional problem of having starter bars poking through the formwork.

Next time type in chinese i might have more chance of understanding it.

To me and all the other novices it just looks like the top and bottm are not joined hence structure will be weak........:nuts:

^^ My sincere appologies.

Next time type in chinese i might have more chance of understanding it.

To me and all the other novices it just looks like the top and bottm are not joined hence structure will be weak........:nuts:

In more understandable English: They'll pour that part later, because than it's easier to attach the floor to the wall. :cheers:

No! Its a pull out strip. Used to quickly key in the floor to the wall without the traditional problem of having starter bars poking through the formwork.

Many thanks True Blue. :)

^^ Thanks.

Are you around to do the honours HateTorch ???

So i wonder if DS will be posting an update on the website for October ?

Most likely, yes.

Yes there is enough of a visible difference now in the construction to make it look like there was progress :D

New update on the DS website. Sorry don't have time at the mo to upload the pics. Found the following comment rather interesting:


"The central core (below) is now 5 stories above ground level.
The next height rise for the core will be the ‘health deck’ level.
This is where the state of the art gyms, pools and health centre will be located."

All the models and renders have shown one outdoor pool whereas the comment above refers to "pools".
The contract also refers to "Emulsion paint on the pool ceilings" maybe there is more than one pool with one indoors.

New update on the DS website. Sorry don't have time at the mo to upload the pics. Found the following comment rather interesting:


"The central core (below) is now 5 stories above ground level.
The next height rise for the core will be the ‘health deck’ level.
This is where the state of the art gyms, pools and health centre will be located."

All the models and renders have shown one outdoor pool whereas the comment above refers to "pools".
The contract also refers to "Emulsion paint on the pool ceilings" maybe there is more than one pool with one indoors.

There's definitely not an indoor pool - I have received in e-mail a while ago from DS stating there is only an outdoor pool. I reckon the term "pools" refers to the original design of a large "adults" pool and a smaller childrens pool alongside. The lastest design I saw at DS's office in Dubai was one large pool which tapered significantly at one end to create a shallower childrens area -effectively two pools.

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I am new to forums.Can anyone please explain to me how to upload multiple images on one post ?

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lift lobby -basement

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steel reinforcing bar in place for columns to support 2nd floor


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centre core at five stories


courtesy of DS

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lift lobby -basement

^^^

8 lifts, 6 passenger and 2 freight. Is that normal for a tower of this capacity?

I have been told by DS that not all of the passenger lifts go right to the top.

The 3 beds on the higher floors are serviced by 3 lifts that go from penthouse to basement. Apparently the lifts travel at 6 meters per second, (about 2 floors per second). So Penthouse to basement should take about 40 seconds.

Unless the cable snaps, then it could be a bit quicker.

^^ Not the fastest lifts around. Burj Al Arab had 7 m/sec lift when in opened in late 1999 and so do Emirates Towers that opened in mid 2000.

^^

Yes i beleive that The TFC 101 Tower in Taipei has the fastest lifts on Earth cracking 17m per second.

Welcome and thank you for the pics dubaizak :D

02/Nov/2007

The Torch

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^^

Thanks Imre.

At this rate they will struggle to complete the podium deck by Christmas, let alone progress with the core for the residential floors.

I thought with Ramadan out the way and cooler days we would start to see some decent progress.

Very dissapointing. :(

DS courtesy called today, and said all is on schedule

:yes:

On schedule for a 2011 completion maybe. :bash:

Stop being pesamistic High Times

DS are correct in what they say it is all on schedule, now which schedules the question......maybe they talking about workers tea breaks being on schedule :rofl:

i hear key taps must be Naz.........:runaway:

DS courtesy called today, and said all is on schedule

:yes:

Be interesting to actually see the schedule. Perhaps DS can supply one ??

I sure hope that DS would participate in this thread.:)
Would help to clear up all this speculation.:nuts::poke:
Come on DS!! -- YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT CUSTOMER SATISFACTION,
PROVE IT !!!

^^

If you look way back on some of the previous Torch threads there was at one stage a director of DS called Giles Beswick. I think he ended up getting quite a lot of stick cause nothing was happening construction wise for so long and came to the conclusion that only about 10-20 DS customers even looked at the thread so why bother.

I would love to know how many Torch investors are aware, or use this Thread.

the torch tower is on schedule and will be completed on time and to an excellent standard.

yours sincerely

giles beswick
director of everything
dubai select

:)

I am contemplating a purchase from DS.Considering the negative comments on all DS specific threads,i have noticed very few resales of all three
DS projects on the secondary market.
Are there no buyers out there? Is everyone happy with their purchase?
Some help please:dunno:

^^ The majority of the guys posting in this specific thread (apart Krazy, Malec, Imre, True Blue, thedubailife and AltinD) have purchased in The Torch.

02-Nov-2007, 1700hrs, GMT+4

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I am contemplating a purchase from DS.Considering the negative comments on all DS specific threads,i have noticed very few resales of all three
DS projects on the secondary market.
Are there no buyers out there? Is everyone happy with their purchase?
Some help please:dunno:


I've also been researching The Torch again. Was serious two years back too but went with another investment. Last week they did have some 2 Beds at a reasonable price. If they deliver by 2010 and if the quality of the finish is as good as they have promised and based on their extended payment plan its actually a decent investment in my opinion.

I am contemplating a purchase from DS.Considering the negative comments on all DS specific threads,i have noticed very few resales of all three
DS projects on the secondary market.
Are there no buyers out there? Is everyone happy with their purchase?
Some help please:dunno:



i agree, i had to look very hard to find one. but you better be quick, i think equivalent 1-2 beds r going for a lot more with other developers & the torch resale value will catch up with every floor they add.


something about hatetorch's photos that's unbeatable, they really give prospective on the build status.
(but all other photos are great):okay:

Morris, why cant you ask?

I am contemplating a purchase from DS.Considering the negative comments on all DS specific threads,i have noticed very few resales of all three
DS projects on the secondary market.
Are there no buyers out there? Is everyone happy with their purchase?
Some help please:dunno:

Few resales as there are still units left as buildings have not risen, wait till they rise and watch the prices rise, so much speculation about prices.......... its off plan and if you are going to make the cash this is your opp..

Grubbman, generally the people who moan and slag off DS on this thread, are ones that haven't bought there, its a british pastime, slag off anyone that is doing well, scratch your car, piss on your doorstep,that type of thing, I could go on, but you know what I mean.
at the moment I have 3 companies that I have bought from on different developments in Dubai, and without doubt Select Properties are the most informative and efficient of them all,
Anyway you have to be a big boy and make your own mind up about these things, no one can spend your money for you.

Alan

p.s would you kick yourself, when 2 months from now, they annonce that it will be low rise in front of the torch, and the price doubles.

Finally , comments of value:):):)
THanks for the guidance:wave:

Grubbman, generally the people who moan and slag off DS on this thread, are ones that haven't bought there, its a british pastime, slag off anyone that is doing well, scratch your car, piss on your doorstep,that type of thing, I could go on, but you know what I mean.

^^ This got to be one of those "british passtimes"


p.s would you kick yourself, when 2 months from now, they annonce that it will be low rise in front of the torch, and the price doubles.

It's good to be optimistic, but if it doesn't depend on you ...

I am contemplating a purchase from DS.Considering the negative comments on all DS specific threads,i have noticed very few resales of all three
DS projects on the secondary market.
Are there no buyers out there? Is everyone happy with their purchase?
Some help please:dunno:

Marina, I have purchased from DS and can only speak as i find.

They are proffessional to deal with and deliver what they prommise up until now anyway.

Most of the DS bashing is based on progress of the build, or the lack of it. You must take into account that most of the original buyers at launch paid up their cash in 2005, and the project has only really broken ground in the last couple of months.

I made my mind up to buy in Dubai back in 2004 and spent 2 years doing my research before i decided exactly where to buy and then i decided to wait until 2007 because i could see the currency rates changing in my favour. I decided to buy into the Torch mainly because of location, build quality, views and payment plan.

The big unknown about the Torch is what will end up in front of it. If you havn't looked already go here; http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438699

There arn't many resales around cause there is no real premium to sell Torch units yet. I see that as an advantage as the growth is yet to come.

Agod is right when he says if the plots in front of the Torch is low-medium rise then prices will jump and when the tower is up to 30-40 floors you will start to see a return on investment.

I still continue to look at Dubai growing and i havn't seen anything else on the Marina that i would rather own than my Torch units.

If you buy now with the dirham at 7.6 ish and you are from the UK then you will effectively be buying at a very discounted price to the launch price, (around 12%).

Marina, I have purchased from DS and can only speak as i find.

They are proffessional to deal with and deliver what they prommise up until now anyway.

Most of the DS bashing is based on progress of the build, or the lack of it. You must take into account that most of the original buyers at launch paid up their cash in 2005, and the project has only really broken ground in the last couple of months.

I made my mind up to buy in Dubai back in 2004 and spent 2 years doing my research before i decided exactly where to buy and then i decided to wait until 2007 because i could see the currency rates changing in my favour. I decided to buy into the Torch mainly because of location, build quality, views and payment plan.

The big unknown about the Torch is what will end up in front of it. If you havn't looked already go here; http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438699

There arn't many resales around cause there is no real premium to sell Torch units yet. I see that as an advantage as the growth is yet to come.

Agod is right when he says if the plots in front of the Torch is low-medium rise then prices will jump and when the tower is up to 30-40 floors you will start to see a return on investment.

I still continue to look at Dubai growing and i havn't seen anything else on the Marina that i would rather own than my Torch units.

If you buy now with the dirham at 7.6 ish and you are from the UK then you will effectively be buying at a very discounted price to the launch price, (around 12%).

There is in fact a fair premium now against the launch price. My one bed cost AED 752k and re-sales now going for around AED 950k so a 25% premium.

Two beds in TT are about the same- I've been discussing this via PM with a forum member in last few days and we've been looking at launch price for a 2 bed on 24th floor against what DS are asking now. Again 25% premium.

However, to be fair, I'm not sure how much of this is due simply to increase in Marina property prices generally over the last two years. But I'm certainly happy with a 25% return on my investment so far.

There is in fact a fair premium now against the launch price. My one bed cost AED 752k and re-sales now going for around AED 950k so a 25% premium.


I here what your saying Morris, but i think the emphasis should be on the phrase going for here.

I see many units being offered for inflated prices but unless you know for a fact that someone who has actually bought/sold you cant say that there is any premium yet.

I know what the launch price of my units were back in May 05 and what i paid for them in Dirham terms in June 07 was about the same.

Obviously everyones situation is slightly different, but if you can sell at 25% in 2 years then well done to you is what i say. :cheers:

What is the premium on Bay Central ? I think this is more than 25%, I really wonder why, since the Torch is a better product in a better location with an earlier completion date.

One reason is the damn unknown tower in front. It won't be a good location if thats going to be a high rise too. The Torch will be more boxed in than maybe any other tower in the Marina.

^^ I think Marina 101 really takes the boxed in title though :)

I here what your saying Morris, but i think the emphasis should be on the phrase going for here.

I see many units being offered for inflated prices but unless you know for a fact that someone who has actually bought/sold you cant say that there is any premium yet.

I know what the launch price of my units were back in May 05 and what i paid for them in Dirham terms in June 07 was about the same.

Obviously everyones situation is slightly different, but if you can sell at 25% in 2 years then well done to you is what i say. :cheers:

I have factored out the exchange rate fluctuations in my calculations and purely working on increase calculated in Dirhams. Yes I know the Dirham has depreciated hell of a lot since 2005 but it could have gone the other way. If I sell it will not be say for another four years until TT is built and who knows what the exchange rate will be by then. I know others will argue differently but just wanted to clarify that my 25% increase is not based on current rates.

I understand what you're saying High Times between asking prices and prices achieved - fair point. But as far as the two bed is concerned fact is the developer has increased prices by around 25% since launch, which must be some indicator at least of the increase in re-sale prices.

Steve, how do you BC has increased by more than 25%, I haven't been following the BC prices just interested to know what info you have ??

^^ I think Marina 101 really takes the boxed in title though :)

But Shefield (the developer) didn't made any promisses such unlimited water view and walking distance from Burj Al Arab, they didn't even promissed any kind of view at all which, if you don't know the location and what's going on around, will sound totally surprising for a 412 meters tall tower located less then 200 meters from the sea.

But Shefield (the developer) didn't made any promisses such unlimited water view and walking distance from Burj Al Arab, they didn't even promissed any kind of view at all which, if you don't know the location and what's going on around, will sound totally surprising for a 412 meters tall tower located less then 200 meters from the sea.

Sorry, I must correct you Altin, DS said the Burj Al Arab was " within easy walking distance ".

Easy if you're a camel :lol:

^^ Or a Marathon runner. :D

This thread gets better with every post:)
Please could anyone tell me how much was paid for a 2bed.(in aed).
After reading the promenade thread..the tower might be walking distance
to the new 7-star "donut" developed by Nakheel...

I've listened on the side lines for many months, having invested in The Torch two years ago.

I recently visited Dubai and was shown round the site, offices and Bay Central by one of DS' Managers.

My comments are this:

1) For those interested in skyscrapers, this is going to be a quality build, beyond the "normal standard" for Emaar. This applies to both The Torch and Bay Central.

2) The location is awesome and if anyone cares to visit Bar 44 :cheers: at the Grovenor Hotel, the view from The Torch will be truely inspiring, with or without high rises in front, especially from the higher floors.

3) D.S. are extremly professional at both ends (UK and Dubai) and having visited both offices, met with their Directors and staff at both offices, I can assure you they are both extremely professional in their approach and also that you may be pleasantly surprised as to when The Torch actually finishes build (not to start a rumour of course).

4) For those Brits that just have to knock :bash: The Torch, don't bother knocking on our doors once built.

5) For the investors out there (I know, this is not the thread for this talk!), hang on in there, hold on to it, it will pay dividends, even though we have back peddled a little on interest rate changes :)

6) As for how many apartments have been sold, well, you ring up D.S. yourselves and ask to buy one and see what the response is - The Torch or Bay Central!


Hope this helps clarify the real (non political, non competitive) situation.

Hello Neighbour, 4304 and 4308, sit bac and watch everyone accuse you of being a director of DS/SP.

Alan Godfrey

Yes, hello neighbour, 4505. I shall tap twice on the floor if I am up for a beer!

Yes, I know that might happen. Before it does, I have no affiliation, employed by, commissioned on or otherwise with DS or any other body involved in The Torch, Bay Central, Dubai, UAE, the ME etc, etc..... :okay:

I just think DS should be given a chance to make this build happen to a quality standard and meet the new deadlines or before.

Needless to say, I will be the first to complain if they don't !

The Torch

Good Luck!

I’ll still be at this Junction, to stare at Bay Central and Touch, whilst/if completes.

I've listened on the side lines for many months, having invested in The Torch two years ago.

I recently visited Dubai and was shown round the site, offices and Bay Central by one of DS' Managers.

My comments are this:

1) For those interested in skyscrapers, this is going to be a quality build, beyond the "normal standard" for Emaar. This applies to both The Torch and Bay Central.

2) The location is awesome and if anyone cares to visit Bar 44 :cheers: at the Grovenor Hotel, the view from The Torch will be truely inspiring, with or without high rises in front, especially from the higher floors.

3) D.S. are extremly professional at both ends (UK and Dubai) and having visited both offices, met with their Directors and staff at both offices, I can assure you they are both extremely professional in their approach and also that you may be pleasantly surprised as to when The Torch actually finishes build (not to start a rumour of course).

4) For those Brits that just have to knock :bash: The Torch, don't bother knocking on our doors once built.

5) For the investors out there (I know, this is not the thread for this talk!), hang on in there, hold on to it, it will pay dividends, even though we have back peddled a little on interest rate changes :)

6) As for how many apartments have been sold, well, you ring up D.S. yourselves and ask to buy one and see what the response is - The Torch or Bay Central!


Hope this helps clarify the real (non political, non competitive) situation.


welcome back giles:wave::cheer::wave:

Wait a minute ... could it be that DS has two directors named Giles..:)^^

Well if thetorch is right we might not have to wait as long as previously thought to see the sunset shining on our beatifully aluminium clad Torch..........

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/2590/torchatsunset2jw8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I've listened on the side lines for many months, having invested in The Torch two years ago.

I recently visited Dubai and was shown round the site, offices and Bay Central by one of DS' Managers.

My comments are this:

1) For those interested in skyscrapers, this is going to be a quality build, beyond the "normal standard" for Emaar. This applies to both The Torch and Bay Central.

2) The location is awesome and if anyone cares to visit Bar 44 :cheers: at the Grovenor Hotel, the view from The Torch will be truely inspiring, with or without high rises in front, especially from the higher floors.

3) D.S. are extremly professional at both ends (UK and Dubai) and having visited both offices, met with their Directors and staff at both offices, I can assure you they are both extremely professional in their approach and also that you may be pleasantly surprised as to when The Torch actually finishes build (not to start a rumour of course).

4) For those Brits that just have to knock :bash: The Torch, don't bother knocking on our doors once built.

5) For the investors out there (I know, this is not the thread for this talk!), hang on in there, hold on to it, it will pay dividends, even though we have back peddled a little on interest rate changes :)

6) As for how many apartments have been sold, well, you ring up D.S. yourselves and ask to buy one and see what the response is - The Torch or Bay Central!


Hope this helps clarify the real (non political, non competitive) situation.


theTorch, can you tell me why you think the build quality will be higher than Emaar. Was there something specific that DS told you or showed you? I'm not saying it won't, just curious on your perspective since you went to the site and met DS personnel.

theTorch, can you tell me why you think the build quality will be higher than Emaar. Was there something specific that DS told you or showed you? I'm not saying it won't, just curious on your perspective since you went to the site and met DS personnel.
Hi Heatstor

It was based on comments made by DS that they were intending installing higher spec fittings than what was recommended by Emaar. Whether this comes to fruition or not, who knows.

I think I will call myself Giles from now on, as this appears to be my new nickname :)

Steve Bell, Apartment 4505

Emaar build quality, if Al-Majara was anything to go buy, wasn't anything too impressive. In fact, if i remember rightly, it was quite shoddy, only 6 months old and we had a blocked drain, and a door that locked and then wouldn't open so they had to break in.

[QUOTE=Naz UK;16276936]Emaar build quality, if Al-Majara was anything to go buy, wasn't anything too impressive. In fact, if i remember rightly, it was quite shoddy, only 6 months old and we had a blocked drain, and a door that locked and then wouldn't open so they had to break in.[/QUOTE

If not Emaar ,which developer do we benchmark against??
Emaar has consistently produced developments which are
above average.
or Maybe it's their honesty that has made them so successful?:ohno:

The full October update from DS:

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8 lift access doors are visible, 2 Freight and 6 passenger in the lobby area.

http://i20.tinypic.com/vsic1u.jpg

October activity saw another ramp completed, this gives access to the underground parking at basement level.

http://i22.tinypic.com/69evrb.jpg

The central core is now five stories above ground level.

http://i22.tinypic.com/2hwf9ep.jpg

The next height rise for the core will be the ‘health deck’ level.

http://i23.tinypic.com/15folk5.jpg

The Steel re-enforcing bar is now in place for the columns that will support the 2nd floor

http://i24.tinypic.com/ayag0g.jpg

http://i22.tinypic.com/900s39.jpg

This is where the state of the art gyms, pools and health centre will be located.

http://i23.tinypic.com/34618at.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/2yv9xfp.jpg

http://i23.tinypic.com/5nu3q0.jpg

http://i20.tinypic.com/24d337m.jpg

http://i22.tinypic.com/2rc4vid.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/16apjc8.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/ezfpdh.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/jgqdn7.jpg

View from the door of Barry's apartment. :lol:

Nice one Morris,

Looks like the Torch will offer a view of the Palm from the BBQ area and pool deck.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1429/viewfromhealthdeckbi7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:cool:

Thanks Morris. Good update. First views from within the formwork.:cheers:

Thanks Morris. Good update. First views from within the formwork.:cheers:

Cheers Anjam, but thanks of course really due to DS not me. :)

Nice one Morris,

Looks like the Torch will offer a view of the Palm from the BBQ area and pool deck.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1429/viewfromhealthdeckbi7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:cool:

Bear in mind that picture is taken from what will be the middle of the Tower, which mean that all apartments on that corner of the tower should retain most of their promised sea views. Unless of course the plots across the main road start being developed.

Cheers Anjam, but thanks of course really due to DS not me. :)

^^Yes but you bothered to put them up here, when I saw them last week I didn't !

:)

It's very unlike you to be lost for words Naz. You feeling ok?

He's just being smug as he always said he'd have a sea view through the gap

I have noticed that Naz has lost match fitness lately, not as sharp as usual:)
I think he is over due a visit home to recharge:)

I have also noticed that Morris and Barry (DS Fan Club) have been on an extensive recruiting drive, well done guys enjoy the party for now, I will be back:banana:

@ Alan; Disappointing that a man of your calibre thinks that lying to people and taking their money through more lies is considered while delivering nothing for three years doing well, not in my book Al:ohno:

Hi Mackie, where've you been we've all missed you ??

Here have one of these :cheers:




:lol:

Cheers Anjam, but thanks of course really due to DS not me. :)

i have paid a considerable premium for the state of the art flourescent lamp at the base of the stairwell in order to maximise my views of the underground refuse receptacle. i'm very happy.:cheers:

I have noticed that Naz has lost match fitness lately, not as sharp as usual:)
I think he is over due a visit home to recharge:)

I have also noticed that Morris and Barry (DS Fan Club) have been on an extensive recruiting drive, well done guys enjoy the party for now, I will be back:banana:

@ Alan; Disappointing that a man of your calibre thinks that lying to people and taking their money through more lies is considered while delivering nothing for three years doing well, not in my book Al:ohno:

the door is always open.:banana:

i have paid a considerable premium for the state of the art flourescent lamp at the base of the stairwell in order to maximise my views of the underground refuse receptacle. i'm very happy.:cheers:

:hilarious

Could someone with the relevant construction knowledge give a description of what is going here with regards to the whitish looking lenghts of metal/plastic ontop of the rebar.

Thanks,

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Could someone with the relevant construction knowledge give a description of what is going here with regards to the whitish looking lenghts of metal/plastic ontop of the rebar.

Thanks,

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8472/61603160jm3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Do my best not to be too technical this time.

Metal ropes are passed through the plastic tubing or conduit, then the concrete is poured to form the floor slab. Once the concrete is strong enough the metal ropes are stretched like very strong rubber bands and chocked or jammed at the ends to induce a compressive force, sorry, squeeze the concrete together making it much stronger.

Imagine there is a row of bricks sitting side by side on the floor and you wanted to pick them up all at the same time. You would grab the two bricks at either end and squeeze them in to apply a force locking all the bricks together. Now with the force applied you can now lift the two bricks at the outside and in doing so lift all of the bricks together. Its a technique called post stressing as the force is applied after the concrete is cast.

If you followed that^^ then here's more. The applied compressive force acts to reduce the amount of tesile force experienced by the cross section of the member. Concrete is good at resisting compressive forces and poor at sustaining tensile loads therefore this method exploits the natural ability of the concrete to sustain the compressive stress. :bowtie:

:applause: Excellent analogy. But you will have to admit that the last para was just to show off, right ?

^^ Never! I keep my showing off for the dance floor :dance2:

Thanks for that explanation, nice and simple

True Blue.

Many thanks for the explanation.

I wont pretend that i didnt have to grab a dictionary for a couple of words.

But I get whats going on.

Well explained. :cheers:

^^ Never! I keep my showing off for the dance floor :dance2:

This is more like it: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/images/smilies/dancing.gif

^^ That is my task for this weekend, to learn those moves :rofl:

Yeah, we've been learning about this in Building construction. Post-tensioned concrete slabs. They creates a slight arch in the floor slab that will flatten out later when furniture/people move in. A similar technique is used in bridges.

09/November/2007

The Torch

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thanks for the update imre

Correct me if I'm wrong but the progress on the Torch is faster than
Marina23 + Princess Tower now :)

It looks like DCE are using the same set of skilled workers switching between Torch and 23 Marina. I was there last week and Torch was buzzing with activity late at night but 23 Marina quiet!

remarkable progress this week

remarkable progress this week

slow but sure wins the race:horse:

Check this: The Sum Of All Fears (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=438699) :runaway:

^^

Dont think so. :ohno:

mackie, you said on the Time Place thread that the Torch pool is not much bigger than Time Place, which seems tiny. Do you have the dimensions or other details for the pool(s), if so please share.

I don't have it right now but give me a couple of weeks and you shall have it:)

I was only judging by the space available and the models/plan I have seen.

I am having a meeting in Dubai soon and will tour the site and take photos of the inside. It should all become clear shortly !

Anyway, I want to discuss the long term plan that is provided by DS, will PM you later tonight.

Are we at two floors of podium built, with two more floors to go ?? Looks like this from the road view. Just that plot seems to slope downwards towards Marina and from Marina side looks like three floors of podium are built.

^^

Mmmmmmm, looks like all of our guesses for where we would be at year end were way off the mark.

Are we at two floors of podium built, with two more floors to go ?? Looks like this from the road view. Just that plot seems to slope downwards towards Marina and from Marina side looks like three floors of podium are built.

^^ According to the DS October update the next floor will have the pool so I am assuming will be the last Podium floor :dunno:

i wanted to buy in the torch.... but unfortunately, there were no apartments available from the developer... :ohno: (just one 2bdr on 6th floor left)

i could not buy from the secondary market as i wanted the 15 yr payment plan... i feel that the torch is an excellent investment... if anyone out there has the resources to buy from secondary market... he should not waste time.... :)





...

Can you not get a mortgage instead ? There are 2 Dubai banks lending on the Torch now I believe with good terms equal to the lengthy payment plan.

I very much doubt the banks will be lending non-status though. But definitely worth buying a two bed Marina view on high floor if you can get the finance. Yes there is a gamble with the future views but if low rise is built there will be a very good return indeed here. Bit of a gamble but could pay off really well.

Having said that, a view towards the Tallest Block or Sea View will be quite good judging by the photos on recent DS update. I'd leave the view towards Marina Heights well alone though !!!

[QUOTE=Morrismarina;16535642]: But definitely worth buying a two bed Marina view on high floor if you can get the finance. :badnews:

did u guys notice that on select property website it says that TT is now sold out?

Yes I noticed yesterday that The Point and Torch are both sold out.

http://www.selectproperty.com/regions/dubai/the-torch/resources/images/sidebar_torch.jpg

^^ Same comments as The Point!

^^ Same comments as The Point!

:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

True Blue....With all due respect to you, Your obviously a highly intelligent bloke, and your knowledge on the construction of buildings is amazing, we all do regard you extremely highly, I am sure I speak for most people on here, and we look forward to your expert views.

But why do you always post on a this thread that you know is read by the owners of the The Torch in a derogatory manner, it is beneath you, and just winding everyone one up is not much fun, some people who have sank there life savings into these off plan developments are very nervous about investing in anything, and someone of your calibre should think before you post.

Alan

Does anyone have any recent photos, maybe Hate Torch or Imre at the weekend. Thanks a lot.

Stop having a go at him, poor guy is filling his time while waiting for something to happen at the infinity site :nuts:

I love True Blue :baeh3::baeh3::baeh3:

He has not invested in Infinity, he just educate some people, keep it up Mate :banana:

Thanks for your support Mackie, just about to jump off the roof until I came to your post :)

True Blue....With all due respect to you, Your obviously a highly intelligent bloke, and your knowledge on the construction of buildings is amazing, we all do regard you extremely highly, I am sure I speak for most people on here, and we look forward to your expert views.

But why do you always post on a this thread that you know is read by the owners of the The Torch in a derogatory manner, it is beneath you, and just winding everyone one up is not much fun, some people who have sank there life savings into these off plan developments are very nervous about investing in anything, and someone of your calibre should think before you post.

Alan

You don't need to invest in a project or with a developer to have an opinion. I am sorry if my opinions come across as derogatory, it is not my intention to upset or unsettle people (Morris excluded :D)

I think there are plenty of investors out there who would be incensed by the DS back patting when they are so much out of pocket with so little progress evident.

Anyway enough from me on this particular point. Just remember Scotland got literally elbowed out of Euro 2008 on Saturday and I'm finding it hard to let others be happy when I'm so low. Maybe I'll be happier tomorrow when my second team plays for their position in the finals :)

TrueBlue

Us fantasists need a reality check now and again... but not too often. Just to make us 90%ers feel better can you think of a worse project?

Now where did I put that comfort blanket.

ps keep up the good work

Your comfort blanket is that there is a 99% chance that your Torch property will be worth double the value on completion :)

^^

That's my kind of comfort blanket.

TrueBlue

Us fantasists need a reality check now and again... but not too often. Just to make us 90%ers feel better can you think of a worse project?

Now where did I put that comfort blanket.

ps keep up the good work

Orra Marina is the one that springs to mind. After 2 years of non activity there was a post that stated they had gone out of business. Not quite fortunately so the investors still have a chance.

What Torch people need soon is a real show apartment to give them a boost, something to allow them to show their friend pictures of and get the wow factor established.

Or you to go for an extended holiday to the jungles of Bolivia, to give us all a break for a while. :D

Or you to go for an extended holiday to the jungles of Bolivia, to give us all a break for a while. :D

Brilliant idea. :laugh:

What Torch people need soon is a real show apartment to give them a boost, something to allow them to show their friend pictures of and get the wow factor established.

If any Torch investors want this i have some pics of units finished by the same builder (DCE) which i inspected before i parted with my cash to see the standard of finish i could expect.

If you guys want to see them let me know, and i will dig them out and post.

Or you to go for an extended holiday to the jungles of Bolivia, to give us all a break for a while. :D

I too love True Blue, please don,t go away, let me hold you in my arms, please don,t go.:lovethem:

If any Torch investors want this i have some pics of units finished by the same builder (DCE) which i inspected before i parted with my cash to see the standard of finish i could expect.

If you guys want to see them let me know, and i will dig them out and post.

Yes please!!!!!!

:cheers:

No relation! DCE will build to order of the developer so need examples of work from DS rather than DCE

No relation! DCE will build to order of the developer so need examples of work from DS rather than DCE

Thats a fair point Gorrilla.

As the Torch is DS first development i think they will be doing their utmost to impress !!

It's obvious that they are making the transition from sales/marketing to actually developing in a big way. I think that they will want to prove that they are capable of 1st class finishes.

If they fail to impress with the Torch then that would definately have a knock on effect to their other developments in Dubai and other worldwide locations where they are developing and trying to sell.

Thats a fair point Gorrilla.

As the Torch is DS first development i think they will be doing their utmost to impress !!

It's obvious that they are making the transition from sales/marketing to actually developing in a big way. I think that they will want to prove that they are capable of 1st class finishes.

If they fail to impress with the Torch then that would definately have a knock on effect to their other developments in Dubai and other worldwide locations where they are developing and trying to sell.

Take onboard what Gorilla is saying, but still worth seeing them for me. Most developers have very beautiful show rooms and I have personally been disappointed with quality of workmanship in actual delivered appartments.

The reason I have invested with Select Property is that I expect very high standards of fixtures & finishes, especially from a UK based company that has a 5star hotel as a client.

I think someone has already posted photos of the actual fixtures and fittings to be used in the Torch? Does anyone have that photo and can they confirm if they are the final choice of tiles etc. ? However, I would be interested to see your photos HighTimes as DCE will be fitting those chosen tiles and fixtures.

The reason I have invested with Select Property is that I expect very high standards of fixtures & finishes, especially from a UK based company that has a 5star hotel as a client.

Wishful thinking, and has no bearing on the final delivered product (especially from a UK based company). I expect similar finishings like other Marina projects using DCE.

DCE would not neccessarily be fitting the apartments.

^^ Why "especially from a UK based company"? :dunno:

^^ Yeah I agree; a Victorian era Gentleman and a modern Chav are both from UK. :D

Well the Torch interior bathroom looks like it has been designed by a chav if the photo gallery on the DS site is anything to go by.

^^ Maybe they left it to the Gentleman the design of the most important part of the apartment ... the balcony; where people will spend most of their times having a tea and enjoying the view (where available).

Thats a fair point Gorrilla.

As the Torch is DS first development i think they will be doing their utmost to impress !!

It's obvious that they are making the transition from sales/marketing to actually developing in a big way. I think that they will want to prove that they are capable of 1st class finishes.

If they fail to impress with the Torch then that would definately have a knock on effect to their other developments in Dubai and other worldwide locations where they are developing and trying to sell.

VALID POINT but....
The torch has been delayed by 2years.Prices of building materials/labour costs have sky-rocketed in this time.DS could not have factored this
into costing when they sold apartments for under 1000/sqft.
Will this have an impact on the final product ?
IMO bay central /botanica may realistically have better finishing as
projects launched at higher prices + construction work seems to be
on schedule.

I hope that I can still retain my DS fan club status after this

When we orignally had this discussion (5 parts ago), DS had confirmed that most, if not all, of their costs were agreed and contracts signed up front, before any construction work began. And I clearly remember them saying all units, interiors, fittings etc have already been selected and paid for. So any increase in cost is irrelevant.

Of course the quality issue still stands, and it remains to be seen if it lives up to the promise.

I was told that BC would have a better quality finish than the Torch.

When we orignally had this discussion (5 parts ago), DS had confirmed that most, if not all, of their costs were agreed and contracts signed up front, before any construction work began. And I clearly remember them saying all units, interiors, fittings etc have already been selected and paid for. So any increase in cost is irrelevant.

Of course the quality issue still stands, and it remains to be seen if it lives up to the promise.

It's refreshing to see some reality check from someone like you. Looks like Damac chickens have finally come home to roost.

That aside, I'm a little gobsmacked to read that the developer has already paid for f&f 2-3 years in advance. Afterall, not many businesses would make such a commitment. Inflation alone would make it a bad deal for supplier(s). Let's hope they don't go bust. That's always a possibilty.

At this juncture, we all hope and pray that the bloody thing will be half decent when delivered so that UK investors can brag about it.

Is there any update on escrow for the Torch?

It's refreshing to see some reality check from someone like you. Looks like Damac chickens have finally come home to roost.

That aside, I'm a little gobsmacked to read that the developer has already paid for f&f 2-3 years in advance. Afterall, not many businesses would make such a commitment. Inflation alone would make it a bad deal for supplier(s). Let's hope they don't go bust. That's always a possibilty.

At this juncture, we all hope and pray that the bloody thing will be half decent when delivered so that UK investors can brag about it.

They have not paid but they have a fixed price contract (with variations of course).

I am meeting them in Dubai next week so let us have a list of all queries, who is going to start a list?

God, I hate football...2-0 down already after 15 minutes :ohno::bash::bash:

They have not paid but they have a fixed price contract (with variations of course).

I am meeting them in Dubai next week so let us have a list of all queries, who is going to start a list?

God, I hate football...2-0 down already after 15 minutes :ohno::bash::bash:

^^

Escrow Account Progress
Drawings/Design of the actual interiors

No not you Anjam, I don't like your lists.....Look at your last bloody list, no where near :lol:

I have posted some of the interiors photos a few pages back but will ask again, they were just an idea at the time !

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=426477&page=25

No not you Anjam, I don't like your lists.....Look at your last bloody list, no where near :lol:

I have posted some of the interiors photos a few pages back but will ask again, they were just an idea at the time !

^^ I only created the list remember?? It consisits of your guesses:lol:

Don't remember seeing the interior designs. Only that hideous bathroom and a board with bits of tiles stuck to it. Surely if they have already ordered the material there must be a final design lurking round somewhere.

No not you Anjam, I don't like your lists.....Look at your last bloody list, no where near :lol:

I have posted some of the interiors photos a few pages back but will ask again, they were just an idea at the time !

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=426477&page=25

^^Thx. Hadn't seen some of those before. Looks quality hopefully the finished product won't be far off.

7 Jeetha
8 Shaffar
9 Morrismarina
10 High Times
11 Joannides
12 True Blue (Would have been my guess but he got there first and 13 is unlucky!)
13 Scoot68
14 Anjam
15 Chefdude
16 mackie1964
17 Sheltie
18 Rexdmx
19 agod
20 Tag_One
56 Naz UK (Cos he's rich!)


^^Looks like Jeetha is going to have a good christmas!!

They have not paid but they have a fixed price contract (with variations of course).

I am meeting them in Dubai next week so let us have a list of all queries, who is going to start a list?

God, I hate football...2-0 down already after 15 minutes :ohno::bash::bash:

2-2 now!!!!! Yeah baby yeah!!!!!

:banana:

2-2 now!!!!! Yeah baby yeah!!!!!

:banana:

^^Look again England 2 Croatia 3:bash:. England have been given sooooo many lifelines:ohno:

^^Look again England 2 Croatia 3:bash:. England have been given sooooo many lifelines:ohno:

yeah...i'm crying right now....:bash:

just cant believe it, simply bad luck, it all over, i have missed out by just 1 floor:ohno:






any updates please hatetorch:)

No not you Anjam, I don't like your lists.....Look at your last bloody list, no where near :lol:

I have posted some of the interiors photos a few pages back but will ask again, they were just an idea at the time !

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=426477&page=25

Looking back on those interiors now they are pretty good!

Can you get an update on interiors with any new photos and also ask if there are any selections possible ?

Any 3D renders of interiors for 2 bedroom apartments ?

Is there any update on escrow for the Torch?
All developers are required to be RERA-compliant by year-end..
I'm sure an important component of compliance is the escrow account.
DS has already had an escrow account in place for BC ,well before it became law to do so..Why do we now doubt the financial position of DS??
Come JAN2008 we can all sleep easier.:)

^^

Escrow Account Progress
Drawings/Design of the actual interiors


^^

when a webcam will be setup on site

^^ Q. Completion date given by DS is Sept 09, is this when tower is estimated to be topped out or ready for snagging interiors ? How long after completion will handover be.

Take onboard what Gorilla is saying, but still worth seeing them for me. Most developers have very beautiful show rooms and I have personally been disappointed with quality of workmanship in actual delivered appartments.

I have been dissapointed by the difference between showroom and end product before which is why i insisted on looking at DCE finished work before i signed up for the Torch.


DCE would not neccessarily be fitting the apartments.

DS have confirmed that DCE are contracted to build and finish the Torch.

I was told that BC would have a better quality finish than the Torch.

If you think about the whole finish quality issue, it's a bit of a red herring really as when you walk into your finished appartment in the Torch or Bay Central, all you will see is;

Emulsion painted walls and cielings.
Tiled floors.
Wooden doors and Door handles.
Kitchen units and worktops.
Sanitaryware.

The only real variables in my opinion are the bathrom fittings and kitchen appliances.

In the DS Torch contract there is provision for DS to change any finishes/products at their discretion. I insisted that this was changed to be of equal or better quality in my contracts before i agreed to proceed.

Pictures of DCE finished appartments. As i said ^^ not much to see except tiles and sanitaryware really. Pictures dont really do it justice, but i was happy with the standard of work and i am a real fussy b**tard......

Finished bathroom by DCE.
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Finished bedroom by DCE.
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Finished Lounge by DCE.
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Finished pool by DCE.
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Thank you for the pictures High Times.

You sound a fussy b*****d just like me! You should have seen my snag list on a previous build - did they fix all the items? Did they feck....

^^
Are these pics from Al Majara ?
Hightimes you are correct... though i'd prefer cheaper sanitaryware/appliances if this would mean more attention/time is
given to permanent fittings such as tiles/built-in units.
IMO if the core apartment is finished professionally,sanitaryware,etc.
can be easily upgraded later.

Yes marina2010, your right.

The cost of replacing a cheap fridge and taps is a minor problem compared to expesive granite tiles laid by a blind tiler and grouted with screwdriver.

Still, a long way to go before we have these worries eh.

I guess it won't hurt to stay optimist till then...:fiddle:

Thank you for the pictures High Times.

You sound a fussy b*****d just like me! You should have seen my snag list on a previous build - did they fix all the items? Did they feck....

Thanks for the Pics HighTimes, pool look awesome.

Looks like there will be a lot of fussy b***tards in the Torch, me included!

Thanks for the Pics HighTimes, pool look awesome.

Looks like there will be a lot of fussy b***tards in the Torch, me included!

Actually I'll be in BC!!! :yes:

But hope to come round to TT for house warming though! :okay:

I will be having a house warming in TT for all fussy b***tards. So you are invited SunnyS :D

I will be having a house warming in TT for all fussy b***tards. So you are invited SunnyS :D

Nice one! Can't wait! I'll be the one with #1 Fussy B**tard! on my T-shirt!
:cheers:

I will be having a house warming in TT for all fussy b***tards. So you are invited SunnyS :D

Would the OLD, non-fussy b***tard be invited too? :dunno:

I am sorry but without joining this fussy club, the quality within the above photos are not that good and I would be very disappointed if the Torch quality is similar :bash:

^^

What specifically would you not be happy with Mackie ?

Would the OLD, non-fussy b***tard be invited too? :dunno:

^^NO! Only non-fussy, Old B***tards :)

Of course AltinD is invited ! :banana: It would'nt be the same without him. Even if he does shake his head at me in other threads :lol:

The pics were from Al-Majara, which I found very mediocre when I stayed there. It wasn't "bad", but it wasn't worth the accolade of a "top-end, luxury Marina apartment".

I too have been there and Naz is spot on.

Next week staying within Marina Height, hopefully better quality:)

I am sorry but without joining this fussy club, the quality within the above photos are not that good and I would be very disappointed if the Torch quality is similar :bash:

Mackie, what was it that you saw in those photo's that you wouldn't be happy with ?

i agree with naz, the F+F in those photos are not luxurious at all, just average.
more similar to 3star hotel than the advertised pinnacle of modern living, state-of-the-art pools, etc.
i would be very disappointed to have similar finishings.

by-the-way, why on TTsection of DSwebsite it does not mention the view deck on top of the building? does that mean that residents have no access to the top of the tower?

i cant complain as our unit is very high, but it would limit the views to one side only of the marina and tha's a bit of a negative IMO.

There is not a view desk or roof deck in TT. In fact not in any of the DS developments which is a little strange. Botanica could have had one.

it is strange, they should all have had one. what's the point to buy in a skyscraper if u dont have access to skyscraper' views? those that purchased lower units paid the premium associated with this type of building for nothing.

Would the OLD, non-fussy b***tard be invited too? :dunno:

No, cuz you're old!:crazy2:

Steve was just being nice when he said it wouldn't be the same without you... deep down he knows you'd be crampin' his style!:lol:

23/November/2007

The Torch

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^^

Many thanks Imre,

Is that activity on the old sales center site ?

From the pictures it looks like they are now working on the final podium floor is that right anyone ??

I too have been there and Naz is spot on.

Next week staying within Marina Height, hopefully better quality:)

I have seen the interior of Marina Heights..I'll take Emaar any day.
Hope to hear your opinion after your stay.

^^

Many thanks Imre,

Is that activity on the old sales center site ?

From the pictures it looks like they are now working on the final podium floor is that right anyone ??

yes, some ground or cable works front of the plot.

i agree with naz, the F+F in those photos are not luxurious at all, just average.
more similar to 3star hotel than the advertised pinnacle of modern living, state-of-the-art pools, etc.
i would be very disappointed to have similar finishings.

by-the-way, why on TTsection of DSwebsite it does not mention the view deck on top of the building? does that mean that residents have no access to the top of the tower?

i cant complain as our unit is very high, but it would limit the views to one side only of the marina and tha's a bit of a negative IMO.



not sure if you're complaining about the finishing, which is difficult to comment on without close inspection, or the materials used .

sorry, but i think that the material used aren't so bad. neutral and can be (if your in to that sort of thing) spiced up.

thanks imre :applause:

Don,t worry guys , I think the finish will be of high quality.

I too have been there and Naz is spot on.

Next week staying within Marina Height, hopefully better quality:)

be sure to take you're hazmat overalls big fella:lol:

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That's all I can do from Marina Height, on site tomorrow and should be able to do better.

Thanks for the great photos mackie! Looks like there are plenty of workers there.

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I think DS needs to report reasonable progress in their month end update.

Thanks for the great photos mackie! Looks like there are plenty of workers there.

About 150 to 200 in the day, I was at the pool (MH) for a couple of hours and they seem to be around these figures.

Tonight, there is a little sign of activity I could see from Bar 44 but not a great no.

Will ask about all of this tomorrow when super :) :)

Well done Mackie,

Some excellent pics there.

If you do get to meet any of the management there, maybe you could ask about the schedule of the build as DS have said they are on shedule there must be one kicking around.

Would be quite a feat to get a copy of such a document.

Have a good trip. :cheers:

I have been on site today and I have also spnt a few hours by the pool of MH today watching them (fantastic weather it was):).

Very slow to load photos. I have quite a few and some videos too. Coming soon :cheers:

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That's great, Mackie!

hope you were also able to get some answers to some of the questions with the SP staff on the ground; It would be interesting to hear if they're still on schedule.

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Much more tomorrow, good videos and full report when I return to the UK on Sunday.

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Thanks Mackie, much appreciated, must be a real bummer to be over there when it's so cold and misserable in the UK...

As i have said before i am no construction expert and i find myself learning all the time by reading the contributions on this forum day by day.

When looking at the basement/car park floors the concrete looks really poorly finished. What is the reason for this as i would have thought that on these levels the finish will be concrete and not render or tiles.

I would be gratefull if a construction expert could give ther opinion on the state of the work in the above pics.

True Blue, would you be kind enough ?

Potential view from a high floor of The Torch

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Thanks to Kevan & Imre

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Yes my units views unless the mystery Emaar SC plots F**k things up for me:bash:

Should look stunning in the evening too

^^ Marinaview tower still looks favourite for this plot in front. Which is only 30 floors. Fingers crossed !

I hope so Steve,

If were right on that one the champagne is on me looking at that view from my balcony.

Roll on 2010 :cheers:

Even if it is higher than 30 floors, due to the distance from TT you should get views either side with a great looking tower in the middle.

some really cool photos Mickie:cheers:

some really cool photos Mickie:cheers:

Trust me, the Disney cartoon had nothing to do with these photos, Mackie was the one responsible, I think...

Awesome picture mackie...! Really shows the marine from the "inside" :) That part of the marina is by far the better part...

^^

Yes my units views unless the mystery Emaar SC plots F**k things up for me:bash:

Should look stunning in the evening too

well i hope the best luck your view doesnt get f**ked up

Trust me, the Disney cartoon had nothing to do with these photos, Mackie was the one responsible, I think...


Mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie.

got it:cheers:

new project from DS, it seems they're powering forward.

Thanks to Mackie we have had better pics of the Torch this week but here is the official update anyway;

The side wall will ascend the side of the podium and the ramps for parking will be in those cut outs of the floor levels.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7273/22028449be3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


The final podium level.
The moulds (surrounded by yellow) are in place, the supporting pillars for the last podium level. The moulds encase the steel rebar until the concrete is poured in. The rebar is what reinforces the concrete.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/204/71008572wi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Three of the four podium floors are still supported to give the concrete more time to cure.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9683/68659885xe2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


This picture shows the steel bars sticking out above the slip form. This shows preparation for the next slip, which will lift the core by around another 2 metres.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7769/10086763wd8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


View from The Torch site towards Grosvenor House.
The side wall of the podium is under construction. The cut out section of the podium floors is where the ramps for each car park level will be created.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3341/20991200ms8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


The Torch site from the Grosvenor House hotel terrace
The 4 podium levels that have been completed are clearly visible. The double height of the ground floor is for the Torch lobby and entrance of the building.
The core is already past the height that the podium level will be.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4264/74725905yp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

a whole year to do the basement + podium, lets hope they speed up now :bash:

By the way just thinking with the board showing Sep 09 completion may imply DCE are not doing the fit-out and thats the date the tower shell construction is complete/topped-out which is feasible, with the fit-out to follow!!

Over the next few days I will be loading photos and videos but to avoid the idiotic confrontation about DS, I will not state some facts or my personal opinion based on experience, talking to agents & talking to 7 different intelligent people who live full time in the Marina. If you want any specific questions answered, please PM me and when time permits, I will for sure respond (Please be patient as it will take me a few days to catch up with business first).

It's worth however mentioning the following:


The Torch Area is an inhabited area and the 24hrs 7 weeks a week is loads of B*******lks, will not happen. No work is allowed after 11PM and as a matter of fact there is only about a dozen people f*****ng about doing nothing after 5 PM on site. Marina Height and The Hotel next door are occupied.
DCE is moving workers from one site to the other (from Bay Central at present) and although there is over 200 workers on site during the day at present, this is suppose to be the big push for the Torch.
The productivity and efficiency of the site is extremely low for this kind of number and from the videos later you will be able to understand what I mean, you don't have to know much about construction.
There are many investors in Dubai that buy many floors and don't care when it will be finished, Russians for example :)
The main DS Guy looks after all construction sites (4 now in Dubai and some others RAK...etc) and does not have the time for anybody
We will not go ahead with the units that we reserved within the Botanica building.


Any questions, please PM me, I will only load photos and videos. The Torch is still a good investment for people who have bought late on but end of 2009 is not going to happen. When?.........not going to go there on Air.:)

The paper work for escrow accounts for all properties (Torch, Point and Botanica) are in place I am told as an application, I know the name of the Lawyer and will ask them when I have sometime. BC already have one as you know.

Did I mention, I hate Taxi Drivers in Dubai and Car rental companies for that matter :)

I have seen the interior of Marina Heights..I'll take Emaar any day.
Hope to hear your opinion after your stay.

I have stayed in three other Emaar properties and MH is the only one I would return to. The facilities are laid out better, the building management company are great and can't do enough for you and as for the internal quality of apartments MH is not better but just on Par in my opinion. Over all MH wins for me but this just what I think :)

I have cancelled my hotel for my next visit and today I will be booking MH again:)

Did I mention, I hate Taxi Drivers in Dubai :)

Mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie,mackie.

got it:cheers:

It's Mackie not mackie :lol: Also the Great Mackie would do :)

Did I mention, I hate Taxi Drivers in Dubai :)

I have stayed in three other Emaar properties and MH is the only one I would return to. The facilities are laid out better, the building management company are great and can't do enough for you and as for the internal quality of apartments MH is not better but just on Par in my opinion. Over all MH wins for me but this just what I think :)

I have cancelled my hotel for my next visit and today I will be booking MH again:)

Thanks for your opinion...Will definitely have a look at MH once more.
Where do you make reservations???

Mackie, what made you cancel your Botanica reservation? is it the location or prices or something else?

Mackie, Thanks for your information from your latest trip. As investors we should all do as much as we can for each other and you have certainly provided an excellent insight into whats going on with TT at the moment. I will do my bit when next in Dubai May 08.

I appreciate that youy must be busy as we all are with our day to day lives. I for one would love to read your comment both factual, and opinion based.

If you do find time please PM me as i would love to read your thougts on anything Torch/Dubai related.

Once again many thanks for taking the time to upload the info so far. If we ever meet in Dubai, I owe you a beer or four.

Oh and buy the way, what did you think of the Dubai Taxi drivers ? ?

Regards,

HT :cheers:

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