Thats why we need a solid plan when it comes to handover of the tower, all working together, not individuals trying for themselves.


100% with you on that

Notice the Torch kept on going up through all of this, anyone know which is the crane, on which building that was just about to get hit.

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Wow, amazing pictures

Now I get it, that's why the claimed F.M. there was a storm once upon a time... its all coming together now !!:nuts:

20/August/2009

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How come you get a boat trip every Thursday Imre, just for your own pleasure?? thanks for your pics once again. :)

High Times and Man Utd, I think we can comfortably say that the 3 Beds are going to get exceptional views over Emirates Crown !

With Ramadan starting tomorrow, hopefully things wont slow down too much.

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Cheers Imre, :cheers:

not a really boat trip, I am just going to the Palm by car:)

not a really boat trip, I am just going to the Palm by car:)

I see, I was thinking what a glam life you must lead all these boat trips ! :cheers:

High Times and Man Utd, I think we can comfortably say that the 3 Beds are going to get exceptional views over Emirates Crown !

Exceptional views Indeed.

The best in the Marina, (arguably the best in Dubai). There is only 1 supertall building in Dubai offering views down the length of the Marina towards what will one day be the tallest building on Earth when Nakheel find some money.

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Just one of the many reasons I am not too worried about what colour the tiles are and how shiny the sinks are. That white extractor fan however is a real deal breaker and i might just sell up and leave. :ohno:

Talking about those extractor fans, I needed to re fit out my utility room, happened to stumble across a show kitchen in Magnet that they were willing to sell with all the AEG appliances, managed to get it for £800, so fitted it in my utility, disregared the pieces that I did not want, and now have nearly £3.5k of AEG cooker, extractor and glass hob for NOTHING !!! so if anyone wants to change what Select will supply, then pop into your local Magnet showroom. Jeffers "tip of the day". Shipping out will not a problem either.

thanks for the photos and other updates, superb!

was just wondering if anyone else has had their final payment taken from there account as mine has been taken out just the other day? many thanks

Final payment is due on completion. How did it come out of your account? Do you not send it to them when it's due.

it was hifx that took it out, to pass on to the developer, as i had purchesed the currency from them when it was at a good rate for this purpose. i thought that it was supposed come out on completion though, instead of the schedual they set out on the assumption of completion.

Select UK forgot to change the date that the final payment is due but sounds like you forgot to imform hifx.

I did the same, pre booked the currency for the final payment at a good rate but when I knew that the date was later I opened a bank account in Dubai and put the money there instead. When the rate dropped I took the money back here and made a tidy little sum.
Just hope the rate improves again nearer completion!!

many thanks for the replies, looks like ill just have to grin and bare it, like we have to with the balconies.

has anyone found out about that; why they put those walls in on the sides of the balconies? suerly it would have been more pleasing to have just put rails so views to the sides and the balcony size would have been superior!

has anyone found out about that; why they put those walls in on the sides of the balconies? suerly it would have been more pleasing to have just put rails so views to the sides and the balcony size would have been superior!

It looks to me like these are not walls, these are reinforced concrete supporting structures.

It seems like they hadn't really worked out how much support the building wanted, and had to redesign it to 'fit in' some more concrete.

many thanks for the clarification Gheorghe348.

21/August/2009

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thank you imre

August Torch update rec'd (for all those that have not checked your emails)
Completion date officially dropped back 4 months to April !

August Torch update rec'd (for all those that have not checked your emails)
Completion date officially dropped back 4 months to April !

So we're now onto the 5th completion date. :lol:

1) June 2008
2) Dec 2008
3) Sept 2009
4) Jan 2010
5) April 2010

Is it just incompetence or simply barefaced lying ?? :dunno:

So we're now onto the 5th completion date. :lol:

1) June 2008
2) Dec 2008
3) Sept 2009
4) Jan 2010
5) April 2010

Is it just incompetence or simply barefaced lying ?? :dunno:

I think there is still room for a least a further 2 dates to add to your list Morris! Don't know why they just don't be honest an set it back to Dec 10, then at least we all know where we stand. Interesting to see what the communication that's been promissed within 30 days says about this latest set back.

So we're now onto the 5th completion date. :lol:

1) June 2008
2) Dec 2008
3) Sept 2009
4) Jan 2010
5) April 2010

Is it just incompetence or simply barefaced lying ?? :dunno:

^^
actually 6th completion date, the first was December 2007

where does this put us as regards to compensation now?

where does this put us as regards to compensation now?

There is no compensation they will just claim (FM) as usual, lying B*****d

I Sincerley hope one day that Select Group & Select Property projects are all delivered in dubai and RAK some day, then I Hope they do the honerable thing and shut up shop, for good !

We have all been let down grossly by (SG) & Select property...

Its a Disgarce

IMHO -Just as bad as each other.

The worrying thing is that the developer gets away with all this and my concern is there is actually no incentive to encourage the developer to finish the project within any sort of timescale whatsoever. Why finish in another 18 months ?? Why not take another 5 years ? Wouldn't make any difference to the developer would it. In the meantime they've got 90% upfront from those on the SPP and for those on the LLP, well the cash just keeps rolling in - nobody dare default or they'll lose everything so they'll just keep coughing up. Makes you wonder why we signed up in the first place. The answer was "trust". SG were new kids on the bloke and we decided to give them a go. Sadly we've been let down. Completion 2-3 years late, a miserly amount of compensation which is actually not compemsation but a "goodwill" payment.

And if you're on the LPP then the good news is you'll have an additional 14 pages of the contract to sign before you get your keys. With all sorts of bollucks, like stating "you're not reliant on any rental income to fund your LLP payments". And quite a few more juicy additions like "securitisation". All stuff nobody would have signed at the time of purchase. No wonder they left this stuff out the contract at the beginning. Anybody any ideas what to do about this when the time comes ?? What's happening with Point investors ??

Actually I don't blame SP for this. I've always been very pleased with the service from them to be fair.

Exceptional views Indeed.

The best in the Marina, (arguably the best in Dubai).

:lol:

Hi All

What a surprise – NOT. What I thought was really good about Select, was that on the same up-date they are now offering us furniture packs. Funny thing is, order and pay for it now and have more money tied up for a long period with no returns. ANOTHER GOOD INVESTMENT FROM SELECT- INDEED.

I just hope that future investors read what people write in the forums containing Select developments in Dubai and other countries. I am sure that they will come to a resounding decision and realise that before signing anything remotely looking like a contract, that Select are not to be trusted.

There are other developments in other countries that have been sold on false promises, wherever you are thinking of buying steer well clear of this company and do yourself a real favour. FIND A REPUTABLE COMPANY AND LOOK AT THEIR TRACK RECORD AND LISTEN TO THEIR PREVIOUS CLIENTS WHO WILL CERTAINLY SHOW YOU THE WAY.

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NOT IMPRESSED SELECT AND I DON’T THINK THAT POTENTIAL INVESTORS WILL BE EITHER - AND THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR ALL OF US - THANKS SELECT.

. Anybody any ideas what to do about this when the time comes ?? What's happening with Point investors ??



I for one will certainly NEVER EVER sign the further contract they may present on completion, so, I think we really need to come together now on this, not a half hearted lets do something, but a real put money where you mouth is effort. Anyone wish to take this action or at least get talking to prempt this scenario ? I hear The Point investors are still in discussons with the developer on their situation, be good to hear what happens.

So we're now onto the 5th completion date. :lol:

1) June 2008
2) Dec 2008
3) Sept 2009
4) Jan 2010
5) April 2010

Is it just incompetence or simply barefaced lying ?? :dunno:

I don't think any of us really thought they could achieve Sept 2009, or Jan 2010 for that matter.

Personally, I am resigned to around the beginning of 2011 before hand over of the mid floors before the top maintenance floor. I simply cannot see it being fully cleaned up ready for living in before then.

We all need to be patient I guess and just wait for them to get this project completed. Hopefully, by 2011, the market might have started to pickup and we may be pleasantly surprised with just what we are sat on value wise, especially if you have 05 or 06 apartments higher up??

Sorry, sick of all the negative vibes, its getting too depressing :)

The Torch

I for one will certainly NEVER EVER sign the further contract they may present on completion, so, I think we really need to come together now on this, not a half hearted lets do something, but a real put money where you mouth is effort. Anyone wish to take this action or at least get talking to prempt this scenario ? I hear The Point investors are still in discussons with the developer on their situation, be good to hear what happens.

what would be the chance of getting a mortgage on the unit(s) on completion, paying off the developer and avoid any dealings with this additional contract?

one more from yesterday

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And if you're on the LPP then the good news is you'll have an additional 14 pages of the contract to sign before you get your keys. Anybody any ideas what to do about this when the time comes ?? What's happening with Point investors ??


I for one will certainly NEVER EVER sign the further contract they may present on completion, so, I think we really need to come together now on this, not a half hearted lets do something, but a real put money where you mouth is effort.

Under no circumstances should any Torch investors sign any addendum presented to them by the developer, even if threatened with getting no keys. This action is tantamount to bribary under UAE law. I have had in depth legal advice on this and there is an easy solution to this minor irritation. Just make sure that you stick to the contract and meet all of your obligations.

Lets at least stick together on this issue.

there is an easy solution to this minor irritation. Just make sure that you stick to the contract and meet all of your obligations.

So what's the easy solution HT ??

Yes stick to the contract make and sure no payments are missed.......then what ?? How do you get your keys when Aslam is refusing to hand them over ?? :weird:

So what's the easy solution HT ??

Yes stick to the contract make and sure no payments are missed.......then what ?? How do you get your keys when Aslam is refusing to hand them over ?? :weird:

All will be revealed when the time is right Morris.

It will be done proffessionaly, legaly and honorably.

There will be an open invitation to all investors who want to attend a meeting when the time is right. The meeting will be chaired by me and possibly my legal team. Anyone wishing to attend will need to bring a passport and contract/s for ID verification. A confidentialy contract will also need to be signed by all.

If Aslam thinks he can blackmail me he is in for the shock of his life .

All will be revealed when the time is right Morris.

It will be done proffessionaly, legaly and honorably.

There will be an open invitation to all investors who want to attend a meeting when the time is right. The meeting will be chaired by me and possibly my legal team. Anyone wishing to attend will need to bring a passport and contract/s for ID verification. A confidentialy contract will also need to be signed by all.

If Aslam thinks he can blackmail me he is in for the shock of his life .

:okay:

All will be revealed when the time is right Morris.

It will be done proffessionaly, legaly and honorably.

There will be an open invitation to all investors who want to attend a meeting when the time is right. The meeting will be chaired by me and possibly my legal team. Anyone wishing to attend will need to bring a passport and contract/s for ID verification. A confidentialy contract will also need to be signed by all.

If Aslam thinks he can blackmail me he is in for the shock of his life .

Sounds good, count me in HT.

22/August/2009

The Torch

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All will be revealed when the time is right Morris.

It will be done proffessionaly, legaly and honorably.

There will be an open invitation to all investors who want to attend a meeting when the time is right. The meeting will be chaired by me and possibly my legal team. Anyone wishing to attend will need to bring a passport and contract/s for ID verification. A confidentialy contract will also need to be signed by all.

If Aslam thinks he can blackmail me he is in for the shock of his life .

High Times I am with you 100 % - Count me In the meeting and I am happy to contribute to legal cost should you require it.

No one is going to bend me over,! & force me to sign the addendum contract ! :ohno:

MOAF

This is only for the LPP buyers, isn't it?

This is only for the LPP buyers, isn't it?

Yes, but as an SPP investor I still want to be part of any action to stop this crap. It doesn't matter which way you paid tenants will just steer clear of the entire building once it becomes general knowledge that they could be asked to sign their tenants rights away!

Nice One High Times, a clear logical way forward if and when this happens -
count me in.

Thank you.

Although any LPP side letter will directly affect only LPP buyers, it will also affect SPP purchasers if it gives the developer the right to determine who manages the building, to what standard, and at what cost.

Could you please let me have all the details regarding the kitchen. I need to replace the kitchen in The Point before my wife thows me out from the 14 floor. (She has not yet seen it)

Regards

Vijay

Although any LPP side letter will directly affect only LPP buyers, it will also affect SPP purchasers if it gives the developer the right to determine who manages the building, to what standard, and at what cost.

Good point; - I'd forgotten that!

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Good point; - I'd forgotten that!

exactly

All will be revealed when the time is right Morris.

It will be done proffessionaly, legaly and honorably.

There will be an open invitation to all investors who want to attend a meeting when the time is right. The meeting will be chaired by me and possibly my legal team. Anyone wishing to attend will need to bring a passport and contract/s for ID verification. A confidentialy contract will also need to be signed by all.

If Aslam thinks he can blackmail me he is in for the shock of his life .

i am on the spp but would also like to lend my support.

All investors regardless of LPP, SPP or cash buyers are welcome to attend any meetings that I organise. In fact the more investors the better as the addendum has serious consequences for all Torch owners.

I would add that I do not think it is a good idea to discuss addendum issues online in an open forum for many reasons, including, but not limited to following:

The developer has not formally issued Torch investors with this document yet.
Open discussions will only serve the interests of the developer
Open discussions will only do harm to the development itself
Public statements could be used against any legal action in the future

I am not trying to dictate everyone’s actions just passing on Counsel's opinion.

Addendum discussions (if necessary) should be conducted in a professional honourable fashion following correct legal procedures. Bribery and fraud are very serious allegations in the UAE.

To this end please bear in mind what you decide to openly print in an online discussion board.

HT

Good point HT......I have removed my post.

24/August/2009

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24/August/2009

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Look's like something's on fire Imre.

^^ No just generator smoke.

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Browsed through some of your comments and I like the comments made by High Times, MOAF, Morrismarina and Caribara. Like you I'm a very disappointed SG customer and have been trying to teminate and get my money back.

Naturally the SPA is totally biased in the SG's favour and they are trying to say that I can terminate but NO REFUND! I'm still determined to get my money back and give them grief both legally and publically in the UK and Dubai. Are any of you interested in joing my campaign, because I for for one am not prepared to fund Mr Aslam mansion in Emairates Hills or his next Ferrarri and that's exactly what we are doing if we continue to pay him and his various companys!

Together we can achieve greatness, so lets join forces and really give Mr Aslam a nasty migraine!:bash: I'm prepared to meet and discuss in person with anyone wishing to pursue to this matter further. I'm available in London or in Dubai.

Why don't you do the same as Mistermark and wait for completion sometime towards the end of next year and then sell for a profit, makes more sense than starting a long public legal battle and damaging the value of your investment. The time you get it resolved the building would be ready anyway.

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That's what he'll do Dubai_Steve, he probably is trying to get a private deal for relaxed LPP payments or a small discount or a free furniture pack by posting here in red letters. He's seen others doing it and is following suit.

The reason I would like to pursue a joint pubic campaign is to ensure that I either get my money back or get a firm legal undertartaking from the SG to complete the project! As company they hide behind offshore enitity and it's extremeley difficult to establish whether or not the have the means to complete this and all future projects going forward! I'm on Lengthy Payment Plan and have only paid out just over Aed 450k, but at the end of the day this money has been hard earned and I'm not prepared to throw this away! The current SPA doeesn't mean anything and in reality where they have called in Force Majeaure they are NOT legally bound to complete the project or offer any form of refund/compensation! So, if Mr Aslam wakes up tomorrow morning and decides to stick one finger at us; I and you are all truellly screwed! I'm not trying to get a furniture pack or a discount, I am only trying protect my invest and genuinely believe the only to get any results is to go public and present a legal case in Dubai. Both course of action requires expertise and finance and to do this collectively reduces our individual liabilities. To put money into Aslam's pocket is insane without any sense of security! I for one have lost faith and instead of continuesly rambling on....we should and we need to take pro-active action to ensure our investments are safe! Peaple I have taken extesive legal advise on this matter and I can assure your purchase in this development is NOT SECURE. SO PLEASE DO NOT CONTINUE TO FUND MR ASLAM AND HIS COMPANY! I would advise all of you to read section 15 onwards of the SPA and attain your own independant legal advise.

This is deja vu.
I think we all thought like this a couple of months ago. Dubai Steve is right, let's get it finished and by that time I think it will still be a good investment. I still think it will get finished. I already paid 50% on another apartment which has gone down the tubes (don't know if I'll get the money back) so I don't want to even think that this won't get finished.
If they don't complete then I would not like to be in Mr Aslam's shoes.

Sorry Mr Angry, why would he not complete the building? it has been the fastest growing tower I have ever seen, and overtaken everything in the Marina, not a sign of not completing the building I think.

Alan G

I'm with Alan. I think those of us who've followed this and other developments for several years have a feeling this one is going to get done. All the signs are there.

Is that you Scoopy? :lol:

^^ i think he is, indeed!:lol:

Sorry Mr Angry, why would he not complete the building? it has been the fastest growing tower I have ever seen, and overtaken everything in the Marina, not a sign of not completing the building I think.

Alan G

Even if the building gets completed, you reliase under the SPA clause "SG" can still terminate and not give you the key or any form of compensation whatsoever! Based on Mr Aslam's track record can your or anyone afford to remain iddle! How much do you want trust this firm and the principal behind the company, after all this comapany shows totall disregard to its investors and reading from the some of the thread comments is now forcing other owners in The Point to sign an addendum to an existing SPA in order to further enrich himself at every level! Come on guy's wake up! How much of this bullshit are you prepared to accept?

- edit by Jan. Please don't use the forums as an exhaust for anonymous beef, thanks.

Is that you Scoopy? :lol:

Nope it scrappy dappy do! Puppy power!!!:nuts:

So Mr Angry, can I ask why this is your first post, have you been lurking for awhile, and now need a bit of help with the lawyers bill's?

Believe when I tell you I have mixed with some very "Tasty" people in my life, of course I cant elaborate in an open forum what I know, but what Mr Aslam is doing, is know more than good business practice.

Ever wondered how Mr Branson Made his, think VAT, and LP records going across borders, there's plenty more out there, many household names have skeletons, the list is long, and of course we can trust our MP's for there honesty.

I can assure you it will get built, why would a developer not develop, if you came into my sweet shop, and there was a mars bar on the counter, and you paid me for it, why wouldn't I give it to you.

Alan

if you came into my sweet shop, and there was a mars bar on the counter, and you paid me for it, why wouldn't I give it to you.

Alan

Now would this be the same Mars Bar from before or is it a new one:)

if you came into my sweet shop, and there was a mars bar on the counter, and you paid me for it, why wouldn't I give it to you.

Alan

Now would this be the same Mars Bar from before or is it a new one:)

Yes it might be...........it would be out of date by about 2 years, so I would have to enforce Force Manure on you, to make you eat it.

Al

Yes it might be...........it would be out of date by about 2 years, so I would have to enforce Force Manure on you, to make you eat it.

Al

Oh no, not the Mars bars again:ohno:

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Mr Angry,

At least I know Mr Aslam's name, and that he's delivered one big project in Dubai (The Point). With some problems of course, but OK it's his first project and hopefully some of the problems are down to his inexperience.

In any case he may have done the kitchens badly and overcharged for some things or made people sign addendums but he's delivered the goods - more or less.

Some people will say he is walking on the wrong side of the law, but I would argue that's less of a crook than others in Dubai who got investors money and fled without building anything.

Now on the other hand, I don't even know your name, it's your first post here, and all I know is that you are asking me to join forces with you to start a negative campaign against this Mr Aslam. When all my hopes is Mr Aslam does not flee with my money and builds my Bay Central unit instead.

I am guessing before long you will be asking me for money for some lawyer as well.

Mr Angry,

At least I know Mr Aslam's name, and that he's delivered one big project in Dubai (The Point). With some problems of course, but OK it's his first project and hopefully some of the problems are down to his inexperience.

In any case he may have done the kitchens badly and overcharged for some things or made people sign addendums but he's delivered the goods - more or less.

Some people will say he is walking on the wrong side of the law, but I would argue that's less of a crook than others in Dubai who got investors money and fled without building anything.

Now on the other hand, I don't even know your name, it's your first post here, and all I know is that you are asking me to join forces with you to start a negative campaign against this Mr Aslam. When all my hopes is Mr Aslam does not flee with my money and builds my Bay Central unit instead.

I am guessing before long you will be asking me for money for some lawyer as well.

Makes me feel lucky when I read Marina Star thread

" i really dont know what the people in marinastar project thinking!!!
what payments plan?????now its more than 2 or maybe 3 years delay and i payed already 40% , i could get 20% interest with my money in iran.
what a shit are they talking about???????????
thay really have to pay us penalty for our money our time and worries for 3 years
its very funnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy what they say!
nobody will pay you a penny unless you start the project soon.
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Thankgod I passed on that one !! Rahail is a Saint compared UKCIG !!

We may have our problems with SG but AT LEAST IT WILL GET BUILT AND DELIVERED albeit not quite to the spec we wanted but money at least is not down the drain as in Marina Star

This is not about lawyers fees! And the reason I haven't anything prior to yesterday was I never had the time, as much you all seem to have! Yes, SG have delivered a project but this project had all the financing....since the credit crisis SG have been squeezed on all fronts! Why do you think the UK office downsized? When times were good the UK office proudly boast that the developer and the selling agents are one and same! Now, they try to distant itself completely from Torch Select Ltd? Why is that? Let's hope...you all get more than a MARS bar!!!!

If you have a lot of sales staff and you're not selling anything at all due to the depressed market then you have to rationalise your business plan. That means letting go your sales staff until times are better. The UK office was principally a sales arm. It isn't rocket science - they just did what any dynamic company that intends to survivive the storm would do. Harsh decisions have had to be made to ensure survival. You make think they are a bunch of sharks- and naturally many of us don't like the results of those decisions they've been taking - but they are still there and they still have projects which are completing and/or going up fast. This looks like a company that is surviving the downturn for the time being - and long may that continue! No-one here is "idle" or complacent; - we're all following every move and development with interest, and keeping our fingers crossed that we're moving closer and closer towards a successful delivery of the project. There may be a time when we need to fight a battle over an addendum or another issue and when that time comes it will be dealt with. The issue has not arisen on this project yet, - and it may not, - so keep your gunpowder dry for another day my friend!

Well said, Yousuf.

Mr Angry,
Have you heard about the Lighthouse project in the Marina?
Five years have gone by.70% paid up by some investors and it is still a hole ,actually not, it got covered up with sand a few months ago.
Just read the Damac threads especially "Lake View"
Yet the "Torch " continues to rise.

Ok let's just just wait and see! I hope the end result is more than a Mars Bar!Thanks for your feedback all, I guess I've waited over 3 years and another a year or so will not do too much harm! I just hope Mr. Aslam and SG really live up to our expectation and faith! Well Mr Aslam it's over to you and we look forward to receving our keys in the near future! And if you are reading this fourum...please do something about the kitchen...it looks very cheap and nasty! Thank you all.

If you have a lot of sales staff and you're not selling anything at all due to the depressed market then you have to rationalise your business plan. That means letting go your sales staff until times are better. The UK office was principally a sales arm. It isn't rocket science - they just did what any dynamic company that intends to survivive the storm would do. Harsh decisions have had to be made to ensure survival. You make think they are a bunch of sharks- and naturally many of us don't like the results of those decisions they've been taking - but they are still there and they still have projects which are completing and/or going up fast. This looks like a company that is surviving the downturn for the time being - and long may that continue! No-one here is "idle" or complacent; - we're all following every move and development with interest, and keeping our fingers crossed that we're moving closer and closer towards a successful delivery of the project. There may be a time when we need to fight a battle over an addendum or another issue and when that time comes it will be dealt with. The issue has not arisen on this project yet, - and it may not, - so keep your gunpowder dry for another day my friend!

And the good thing about them downsizing and letting people go was I got one of em...........priceless.

^^Wow, you get to keep ex employees. Do you have to lock them in the cellar or do they come willingly?

:laugh:

Ok let's just just wait and see! I hope the end result is more than a Mars Bar!Thanks for your feedback all, I guess I've waited over 3 years and another a year or so will not do too much harm! I just hope Mr. Aslam and SG really live up to our expectation and faith! Well Mr Aslam it's over to you and we look forward to receving our keys in the near future! And if you are reading this fourum...please do something about the kitchen...it looks very cheap and nasty! Thank you all.

Dear Mr. Angry

Have you read the contract, I mean the section about what you should expect from the developer, in terms of finish, emulsion paint, MDF doors, chrome fittings, Etc, Etc, it is one of the most comprehensive ever seen in Dubai, which is normally a page and a half if you are lucky, and I know, I bought into a WOW development, and it's crap, anyway everyone one tells me its good, so it must be, must get this shit out of my eyes soon.....

Dont despair my little Munge two, it's Dubai, and we are 80% built, bloody miracle really.

Just think of the views.

ALan

More fundamental GOOD NEWS for the building.

A bus stop for the “Metro feeder bus route” will be situated pretty much on the doorstep of the Torch providing a shuttle service to either the Marina or JLT Metro stations.

I see no reason why this service can’t act as a handy hop on hop off transport system from the Torch to:

2 Metro stations
Dubai Marina Mall
JBR & The Walk
The Grosvenor, Buddha Bar, Bar 44
Jumeirah Beach clubs

This provides a nice air conditioned shuttle service and without placing your bets in the Dubai Taxi crash lottery.

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More info here;

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/565985-dubai-metro-feeder-bus-route-maps#continueArticle (http://www.arabianbusiness.com/565985-dubai-metro-feeder-bus-route-maps#continueArticle)

http://archive.gulfnews.com/nation/Traffic_and_Transport/10330682.html (http://archive.gulfnews.com/nation/Traffic_and_Transport/10330682.html)


It’s the fundamental stuff like this that will make investments like the Torch shine in the future, not the quality of the kitchen cupboards.

HT, I think that is the Al Soufuth tramway, tb or imre will know.
a.

^^ No I think that is the F37 bus route for the marina.

The tram will be in addition to that and the tram stop will be just behind the phase 1 buildings :banana:

So we will have a bus stop, tram stop and metro bridge all within a few minutes walk.

H.T. excellent graphical display, and what's more if EMAAR Malls group rumoured to be on the MST site in front build a low rise mall and retail complex, my word you guys can start lining your pockets with the notes from the people that will queue outside your doors to Rent apartments in the Torch..........Oh let's not get too excited yet!!. 5 years from now on maybe, who knows ??

^^
It's not my map. It's off the link I posted

So we will have a bus stop, tram stop and metro bridge all within a few minutes walk.

Dont forget the park in front :)

yes but hope it is not just a 'car' park :)

great news guys, thanks for posting the links.

More fundamental GOOD NEWS for the building.

A bus stop for the “Metro feeder bus route” will be situated pretty much on the doorstep of the Torch providing a shuttle service to either the Marina or JLT Metro stations.


Just two things -

Firstly, that bus stop is actually outside the Mina Siyahi. In the summer months, a stroll from the Torch to the Mina Siyahi is far from "pretty much on the doorstep".

Secondly, do you know whether the shuttle will be running in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction? I could be wrong, but I very much expect it won't be running both ways around...

Given that the stop is called Mina Siyahi, Le Meridien Hotel, and not La Reve, or whatever it is on the other side of the road; and given the positioning of the pickup/drop-off points on the indicate route, my money is on the bus running counter-clockwise.

Not bad for the return journey from Dubai Marina station of course, but perhaps not so convenient as you might think for the outward one to the JLT station? Care to have a guess as to how long it will take for that little ride?

(and of course if the shuttle runs clockwise, the same argument vice-versa)

Finally, of course, the rather more obvious comment.


I see no reason why this service can’t act as a handy hop on hop off transport system from the Torch pretty much every single building in the entire marina to:

2 Metro stations
Dubai Marina Mall
JBR & The Walk
The Grosvenor, Buddha Bar, Bar 44
Jumeirah Beach clubs

This provides a nice air conditioned shuttle service and without placing your bets in the Dubai Taxi crash lottery.

Sure - this is not unique to The Torch - as a matter of fact Bay Central (where I've bought) is also to benefit.

The fact remains that with the metro, plus feeder buses, plus trams, this area is going to have a much better public transport system than London will dream of. And it was all developed in a couple of years.

This is Dubai for you..

Sure - this is not unique to The Torch - as a matter of fact Bay Central (where I've bought) is also to benefit.

The fact remains that with the metro, plus feeder buses, plus trams, this area is going to have a much better public transport system than London will dream of. And it was all developed in a couple of years.

This is Dubai for you..

Absolutely - the public transport infrastructure that is imminent will be world class and make a huge difference to Dubai. On a personal level, I am very much looking forward to using it.

The key point though is that it is ridiculous to single out an individual building and use this infrastructure in an attempt to differentiate it from all the others in the vicinity.

There are 8 stops on that shuttle route, and of course the two stations. Even a conservative estimate would put 8 buildings at each stop "within walking distance" of the infrastructure (and that's not even counting all the ones across the SZR in JLT that are actually on the same side of the road as the stations themselves).

So, far from being a specific benefit for the Torch, probably 70-100 buildings could equally be considered to be within the same walking distance.

Just two things -

Firstly, that bus stop is actually outside the Mina Siyahi. In the summer months, a stroll from the Torch to the Mina Siyahi is far from "pretty much on the doorstep".

I think your reading too much into the hotel references. look at the red dots indicating stations. Your point about the stop being called "Mina Siyahi, Le Meridien Hotel" may or may not be relevant. If you look at the map, the big red dot is nowhere near the hotel you refer to. It is as i said just outside the Torch/Emirates Crown entrance. In fact the route goes nowhere near the hotel you refer to.


Secondly, do you know whether the shuttle will be running in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction? I could be wrong, but I very much expect it won't be running both ways around...

Given that the stop is called Mina Siyahi, Le Meridien Hotel, and not La Reve, or whatever it is on the other side of the road; and given the positioning of the pickup/drop-off points on the indicate route, my money is on the bus running counter-clockwise.

Not bad for the return journey from Dubai Marina station of course, but perhaps not so convenient as you might think for the outward one to the JLT station? Care to have a guess as to how long it will take for that little ride?

Personaly i would prefer it to run anti clockwise as for me this service is better for the short ride to Grosvenor House, Bar 44, Bhuddda Bar, The Walk, The Hilton beach club & restareunts etc. I reckon the journey times would be 2 mins for GH and 8-10 mins for the far end of the Walk. Unless the buses run every 4 minuites it's just as quick to walf back from the metro station to the Torch. (I have no problem with walking 4 mins in 40 degree heat).

To use the metro station is a 4 min walk from the Torch front door across the front of the phase 1 project.

The reason i highlighted the benefits of this project in relation to the Torch might have something to do with the fact that this thread is called The Torch and most people reading and posting here have an interest in the building, and it's benefits.

I cant remember anywhere saying that this service was exclusive to Torch users, so i dont know why you would need to suggest that i had.

Wow. Are you still pissed off with me cause you looked so stupid with our currency dissagreement. :ohno:

Dont be a sore loser Gerald. Move on with your life, go take some pictures. :cheers:

Wow. Are you still pissed off with me cause you looked so stupid with our currency dissagreement. :ohno:

Dont be a sore loser Gerald. Move on with your life, go take some pictures.

Yeah - that must be it. I think of it every waking hour. :ohno:

c'mon guys, why do u always have to argue??

Yeah - that must be it. I think of it every waking hour. :ohno:

I think HT's point was merely that this is an additional attraction of TT's location - and added it to his list. I don't think he was trying to say that this particular feature applies more to TT than any other building in the marina. Renters look at the overall advantages of a particular renting opportunity compared to others in the area they've chosen to reside in. Like HT I believe that the advantages which the TT location offers stack up pretty well against some other locations in the marina, - even if the same advantages might also apply to TT's immediate neighbours.

I think HT's point was merely that this is an additional attraction of TT's location - and added it to his list. I don't think he was trying to say that this particular feature applies more to TT than any other building in the marina. Renters look at the overall advantages of a particular renting opportunity compared to others in the area they've chosen to reside in. Like HT I believe that the advantages which the TT location offers stack up pretty well against some other locations in the marina, - even if the same advantages might also apply to TT's immediate neighbours.

Precisely, all i was doing is saying that the bus shuttle service is good news for the Torch. It is blindingly obvious that it is also a benefit to many other towers.

As for this comment;

The key point though is that it is ridiculous to single out an individual building and use this infrastructure in an attempt to differentiate it from all the others in the vicinity.

How on earth did i single out that the shuttle is exclusive to the Torch ?

Bottom line is this guy has a problem with me (inferiority complex), and is just following me around the forum trying to push me into confrontation because he is buddies with a MOD.

I've already been told that I'm a bully because i speak the truth and have been proven right on many issues over the last couple of years.

This forum is slowly being turned into a little club for people who all like to agree with each other and anyone who's opinion goes against the grain is considered to be a nuisance.

It's a pitty really, as the best decisions/actions always come from confrontation and debate. If everyone just agrees with each other and we all live in fluffy cloud land where would we be?

Dubai, probably.

HT, I think that is the Al Soufuth tramway, tb or imre will know.
a.

No Alan,

This is the tram route.

http://i29.tinypic.com/x5b4p0.jpg

As Steve rightly says the Torch will benefit from Tram, Shuttle Bus and Metro stops all being within a couple of minuites walk.

In my opinion the shuttle service will be temporary until the Tram is operational.

Bottom line is this guy has a problem with me (inferiority complex), and is just following me around the forum trying to push me into confrontation because he is buddies with a MOD.


What the fuck?

:lol:

What the fuck?

:lol:
DOES THE METRO GO ANY WHERE NEAR DUBAI SPORTS CITY (OH capitals oh bother !):nuts::nuts:

DOES THE METRO GO ANY WHERE NEAR DUBAI SPORTS CITY (OH capitals oh bother !):nuts::nuts:

I think the 3rd one going along the Emirates Road, maybe the purple line ?

just for clarification, bus station is front of the Emirates Crown, sign already there.

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28/August/2009

The Torch

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28/August/2009

Dubai Marina, tallest block

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Thanks IMRE

28/August/2009

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Thanks for the photos Imre.

Cladding looks nice.

I have forgotten how the floor numbers correspond to the actual 84 floors of the building. How many floors till this bugger is topped out?

just for clarification, bus station is front of the Emirates Crown, sign already there.

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So this bus stop goes in the direction of the metro station and marina mall.

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Will it be a one way service? Well at least I don't have to :dance2: back over the bridge from GH bar 44 :)

thank you imre!!

Excuse my ignorance but where do those fancy leafy panels go. Is it on the podium?

Excuse my ignorance but where do those fancy leafy panels go. Is it on the podium?

^^Yes, on the car park

I have forgotten how the floor numbers correspond to the actual 84 floors of the building. How many floors till this bugger is topped out?

There is confusion here due to SSC saying it's 84 floors and Select saying 82 as they still do on the website; http://www.selectproperty.com/cms_pages/thetorch/about.php

Also appartment numbers are 6 floors lower than construction floors due to the podium and health deck.

I THINK

From the CAD drawings i think it is 82 including a service floor. They are working on 77 now so 5 floors to go with the feature. Ramadan ending on 19th September and weather cooling I am hoping that this will top out in November.

So this bus stop goes in the direction of the metro station and marina mall.

Will it be a one way service? Well at least I don't have to :dance2: back over the bridge from GH bar 44 :)

Yes great news about the bus stop being "on the doorstep of the Torch" not a marathon away at the Minah Seyahi as some would like to believe. :).

I think both buses and trams will go one way only. However, they will go in opposite directions so this will give lots of options for all DM residents and visitors!

Good news all round!

There is confusion here due to SSC saying it's 84 floors and Select saying 82 as they still do on the website; http://www.selectproperty.com/cms_pages/thetorch/about.php

Also appartment numbers are 6 floors lower than construction floors due to the podium and health deck.

I THINK

From the CAD drawings i think it is 82 including a service floor. They are working on 77 now so 5 floors to go with the feature. Ramadan ending on 19th September and weather cooling I am hoping that this will top out in November.



Yes great news about the bus stop being "on the doorstep of the Torch" not a marathon away at the Minah Seyahi as some would like to believe. :).

OOOOHHH - EXCITING - NEARLY THERE :)

The Torch

I think both buses and trams will go one way only. However, they will go in opposite directions so this will give lots of options for all DM residents and visitors!

Good news all round!

That would make a lot of sense actually. For this reason i doubt it will happen, but live in hope. :)

Did those of you on the LPP get payment reminders for the 1st September payment.

^^ No, you will not get reminders anymore (Select Group are too lazy to email you), you need to remember to stick to the payment plan in the contract, then email Select Group after making your payment to ask for a receipt.

Only 2 floors in three weeks,74th on 7/08/09 and 76 today?
Not much cladding gone on.Have things slowed down,perhaps Alan G or anyone else out in Dubai confirm what is occurring? I know it is Ramadan but it has only started and the long lunch/heat break comes to an end this weekend,the five day cycle appears to have fallen behind.
Just my observation.

bus will have one way around the marina and JLT also, all bus stops sign already there

To tell you the truth Tosh, I see it when I wake up through my bedroom window, I see it when I go into the kitchen, I see it when I go into the lounge, I see it all the time.............it is still going up, and it is a mystery to me how they do it, because I look through my binoculars, and I see know one, if you look at Imre photos as well how many workers do you see, yes it is going to be re named the Paul Daniels tower, "It's Magic"

Alan

Many thanks Imre :master:



......... I look through my binoculars, and I see know one, if you look at Imre photos as well how many workers do you see, yes it is going to be re named the Paul Daniels tower, "It's Magic"

Alan

What a waste of a good Binoculars. With all the swimming pools and the beach you can see from your balcony :lol::banana::banana:

Alan, it must be an illusion then! Perhaps David Blaine is in town.
Maybe the workers are camouflaged so you don't see them.!!

Alan, it must be an illusion then! Perhaps David Blaine is in town.
Maybe the workers are camouflaged so you don't see them.!!

I think its all done at night - I can't find a single worker in Imre's photos!

Many thanks Imre. You are an absolute star :applause:

The Torch

Many thanks Imre :master:





What a waste of a good Binoculars. With all the swimming pools and the beach you can see from your balcony :lol::banana::banana:

Well dont be silly Mackie.........after I strain my neck looking at the torch, with my 4 pairs of bins, I have to point downwards at the 7 swimming pools that surround me, no hold on 8 at the moment, and 3 more soon.

I love Dubai, where else could you sit at home, and be surrounded by beautiful things.

And now my windows have been cleaned, I can actually read the title of the book the young lady was reading with my Telescope, the world is now my lobster Rodney.

Al

Well dont be silly Mackie.........after I strain my neck looking at the torch, with my 4 pairs of bins, I have to point downwards at the 7 swimming pools that surround me, no hold on 8 at the moment, and 3 more soon.

I love Dubai, where else could you sit at home, and be surrounded by beautiful things.

And now my windows have been cleaned, I can actually read the title of the book the young lady was reading with my Telescope, the world is now my lobster Rodney.

Al

Glad to hear your windows have been cleaned, I know it was getting you down ! :lol: :cheers:

I counted 6 workers on the Torch this morning, 3 where putting windows in my place, 4304, one was leaning on the balcony, higher up, and the other two where driving the cranes, so should get quite a lot done today.

Compared the the Ifinity tower, where there are thousands, but of course, they dont have the magic touch.

Al

It’s the same with Silverene & Bay Central, BC have roughly about 6 workers whereas Silverene have 2000. The same magic touch is working with BC. The evidence of magic will be revealed @ handover same as The Point.

No more investment talk in this thread please... enough... Please..

No more investment talk in this thread please... enough... Please..

I am sorry for asking for advise, please could you tell me what's wrong for asking someones opinion on investment......am I breaking a rule of this thread...if i am please let me know and I will stop.:ohno:

I am sorry for asking for advise, please could you tell me what's wrong for asking someones opinion on investment......am I breaking a rule of this thread...if i am please let me know and I will stop.:ohno:

Ask on the thread below and I will post my deleted post there again

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=490764&page=904

Thank you for you concern...

This forum is not for investors...

Though we have a single thread for investment...

No investment in threads, except this sole thread.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=490764&page=904

No adverts anywhere, simple really

Thank you for you concern...

This forum is not for investors...

Though we have a single thread for investment...

No investment in threads, except this sole thread.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=490764&page=904

No adverts anywhere, simple really

Thanks for letting me know.

04/September/2009

The Torch

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Thank you Imre. :cheers:

NO floor increase this week. :bash:

Looks like some more cladding has been added and i guess as long as progress is being made inside it's all good.

Trying to keep my glass half full but I dont think I will be in until 2011.

Is the next floor where the 3 beds start from ? Maybe thats why its taking abit longer ?

Good progress on the Cladding though.

HT I think we will be in the apts by end of next year inshallah!

3 beds start on residential floor 66 so construction floor 72, so they are well into the 3 beds I think:)

3 beds start on residential floor 66 so construction floor 72, so they are well into the 3 beds I think:)

Yeap sorry your right there :)

So,Why only 1 floor in three weeks?

Is there a service floor around about this level? The steel installed seems to be quite high, which would indicate one of those special floors...

Is there a service floor around about this level? The steel installed seems to be quite high, which would indicate one of those special floors...

No, its just standard.:cheers:

So,Why only 1 floor in three weeks?

Ramadan or waiting for next LPPs to come in :dunno:

Ramadan or waiting for next LPPs to come in :dunno:

The working hours in Ramadan are pretty short. I guess they are doing internal work or we hope they are. Cladding progress seems good.

Ramadan or waiting for next LPPs to come in :dunno:

Pressures off now as they have bought themselves a few more months until April (or should I say until the next time they communicate further delay).

6 to go until the roof feature, perhaps that's still not 100 % planned out yet so no need for speed.

Pictures are great IMRE thanks , but nothing like seeing this tower "in the flesh"
It really is impressive now -- as are a lot of the supertalls around it
- hope to have updates from the top early next week

I bought you a metro ticket already,, so you can leave the Cayenne at the lock up. 9/9/09 :)

I bought you a metro ticket already,, so you can leave the Cayenne at the lock up. 9/9/09 :)

The Cayenne T S went last year when Super Unleaded hit £1.40
LOL
See you TUESDAY -- This block is looking good now ToRch looks good from PJ very imposing over Le reve

I bought you a metro ticket already,, so you can leave the Cayenne at the lock up. 9/9/09 :)

The Cayenne T S went last year when Super Unleaded hit £1.40
LOL
See you TUESDAY -- This block is looking good now ToRch looks good from PJ --very imposing over Le reve

Thank you Imre. :cheers:

NO floor increase this week. :bash:

Looks like some more cladding has been added and i guess as long as progress is being made inside it's all good.

Trying to keep my glass half full but I dont think I will be in until 2011.

Worrying that construction appears to have ground to a near halt this last 3 weeks. I can't believe this is only due to Ramadam short working hours.

Does anyone have an inside track they could follow to see what is causing the production halt? It could be something simple like parts shorts (steel etc..), or it could be something more serious, like cashflow issues. On the LLP, does SG back this off with a finance company to draw in the full cash amount up front, or are they providing the finance themselves and only receive cash as it is paid in?

The Torch

05/September/2009

Dubai Marina , tallest block

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04/September/2009

Dubai Marina , tallest block

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^^ Some others by Imre.

Water taxi service to launch next year (Feb 2010).

The Marina Water taxi Rank will be right on the doorstep of the Torch.

East Marina "pick up" will be just outside The Torch. So thats a bus shuttle service, Tram, Metro and Water taxi access on the doorstep from next year.

Seems like those in the know in Dubai are well aware which end of the Marina is the most prestigious and deserving of a VIP service. :)

At least 17 locations where passengers can hail a water taxi for fast travel along the coast of the emirate have been finalised.
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The water taxi will have 11 seats including two for people with special needs. It will have a dual-base catamaran low wash, a smooth ceiling and a central air-conditioning system. It has seats similar to business class seats on aeroplanes with a remote-controlled LCD monitor fitted on the back of each seat, and a table for food.

"It is a VIP service and will mostly cater to tourist and visitors to major businesses and hotels," he said. The water taxi measures about 11 metres in length, and four metres in width. It weighs nine tonnes and runs at a speed of up to 35 knots per hour.

Full story here;
http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Traffic_and_Transport/10339099.html

East Marina "pick up" will be just outside The Torch...

:lol:

I would say it is "just" outside Bay Central :lol:

Well the little red dot illustrating the location is just outside the torch not BC :)

Managed to get into the torch !
what a scary experience .nearly broke me f


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What floors were you on? That looks like ****

That's a disgrace, the place looks like a building site.

Thanks for posting the pictures. :cheers:

^^ I have serious concerns that quality of finish has been abandoned in favour of speed.

Looking at those photos, it's as if the contractor has been told to leave no corner uncut.

Some comments from Select Property would be useful here

How can you objectively comment on the "quality of the finish in the photos" if nothing is finished in the photos ?

Your looking at unfinished units still being constructed ?

The last 4 pics are taken in units no higher than 10 floors judging by the buildings in the backround. I am more concerned that these units are still in this unfinished state. If one floor is internaly finished every two weeks (floors 1-22 have 12 units each), from now on thats at least another 2 years until final handover of the whole tower.

Water taxi service to launch next year (Feb 2010).

The Marina Water taxi Rank will be right on the doorstep of the Torch.

East Marina "pick up" will be just outside The Torch. So thats a bus shuttle service, Tram, Metro and Water taxi access on the doorstep from next year.

Seems like those in the know in Dubai are well aware which end of the Marina is the most prestigious and deserving of a VIP service. :)

At least 17 locations where passengers can hail a water taxi for fast travel along the coast of the emirate have been finalised.
http://i31.tinypic.com/4vrcar.jpg


http://i29.tinypic.com/wofu9.jpg


"It is a VIP service and will mostly cater to tourist and visitors to major businesses and hotels," he said. The water taxi measures about 11 metres in length, and four metres in width. It weighs nine tonnes and runs at a speed of up to 35 knots per hour.

Full story here;
http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Traffic_and_Transport/10339099.html

Nice find, will help to get you guys closer to the centre of the fun and the beach, which is already on our doorstep;)

Island life, nothing better:lol:

Amplesou, good job on the photos.

I like the one with the 3 ton block of concrete just waiting to turn some poor labourer into a cripple for the rest of his life. Safety! who are they kidding?

What floors were you on? That looks like ****

I was on the first floor up from the podium i think it is floor six !
The above floors i tried to get in but they where sealed off and it was very scary and dark with rubble etc ! ( yes i needed to take a touch and hard hat !)
What impressed me was the partial views especially on palm side they where very good !
Only worry for me ,is if they build high in front of the marina views and also the golf course/dubailand side !
I think the feel was very nice inside but you know your not gonna get Trident /golden mile /jbr quality from this company !
I also went into the point which we nearly bought a couple of years ago and went into the gym and pool areas they are a basic decent standard ( great views ) but the cheaper end on the marina quality !
On the plus side your a couple of minutes walk from the metro and a rally good supermarket and cafes restaurants etc !
For me a great bolt hole ! hey your in dubai and a great wonderful growing area but if i was going to hang my hat on a prop there i would look for more quality ?:)

So if they are still working on the first residential floors then there is still a long way to go!

Good fundamental news for HT, the Al Sufouh tram will be running by handover:)

probably that will be the last floor which will be finished, when I was there , it was a store area , relax area for workers etc..

Just go up one floor you will see the difference.

I think the feel was very nice inside but you know your not gonna get Trident /golden mile /jbr quality from this company !

Some comments from a Trident investor/resident would dissagree with you. I have heard similar from JBR investors too. It's always worth reading other threads to understand the big picture in Dubai. All developers are the same. SHITE. Some are priced as shite and some overcharge you for your shite. That's just my opnion on the whole quality issue over here. Thankfully it is an issue that can be rectified to some degree. :)

Still the same as a 3 months ago, Dying, Still Noisy, Glass in dome still broke, still no Aquo whatsit, still no outside cleaning on Oceanic, lifts still need more work, driveway paving slabs still broke and cracking, patio doors still leaking noise and sand, lights still falling out of ceiling, loads more, but Great location, and views to die for.

Still we fight on with the big T.

Oh I was told cleaning would begin in the next two weeks, but I was told that 6 months ago.

2702 Oceanic Tower, i get the feeling they have tried cutting costs, and i did receive a letter i beleive last year, telling me how Trident had to dip into there own pockets to finnish the work,

p.s. i was looking at a building down the road in the Marina, and they had lovely chrome handrails, all we got was painted grey ones.

The only thing this proves is that the quality of finish is purely subjective and dependent on what you "believe you are going to get". This is dependednt on how realistic you were when discussing your purchase with a salesman whos job it was to make you say "yes".

Nice find, will help to get you guys closer to the centre of the fun and the beach, which is already on our doorstep;)

Absolutely right TB.

http://i29.tinypic.com/wofu9.jpg

Luckily the water taxis are enclosed in glass so the smell will be more bareable to those not used to the smell of raw sewerage being processed in such close proximity to ones residence. :)

Well done yesterday, Macedonia. Result. :banana:

You might reach the play offs, unless Norway beat Macedonia at home on Wednesday and then your shocking -4 GD will let you down again.

Cant see you lot doing the Dutch. :cheers:

How can you objectively comment on the "quality of the finish in the photos" if nothing is finished in the photos ?

Your looking at unfinished units still being constructed ?

The last 4 pics are taken in units no higher than 10 floors judging by the buildings in the backround. I am more concerned that these units are still in this unfinished state. If one floor is internaly finished every two weeks (floors 1-22 have 12 units each), from now on thats at least another 2 years until final handover of the whole tower.

OK maybe I was a little hasty but I still have general concerns around quality based on the Point.

To be fair, I'm not sure how anyone can objectively comment on quality or progress based on photos of one apartment. As Imre suggests, this could be a store area and may not give a true representation of progress.

"To be fair, I'm not sure how anyone can objectively comment on quality or progress based on photos of one apartment. As Imre suggests, this could be a store area and may not give a true representation of progress.[/QUOTE]"


These pics where based on several apartments 1 and 2 bed based on the first floor above podium height ! 6 th floor i think >?

These floor appeared to be complete other than kitchen and toilet units in all tho some seemed to have bathtubs sealed !

The rest room was possibly on the second floor where the workers where resting!? having a mug of tea !

Some comments from a Trident investor/resident would dissagree with you. I have heard similar from JBR investors too. It's always worth reading other threads to understand the big picture in Dubai. All developers are the same. SHITE. Some are priced as shite and some overcharge you for your shite. That's just my opnion on the whole quality issue over here. Thankfully it is an issue that can be rectified to some degree. :)





The only thing this proves is that the quality of finish is purely subjective and dependent on what you "believe you are going to get". This is dependednt on how realistic you were when discussing your purchase with a salesman whos job it was to make you say "yes".



LATEST NEWS............My windows have now been cleaned, my balcony was cleaned as well, and then the outside cradle came past and cleaned the ali panels above making mine dirty again, the wind blows it in, now these muppets, instead of starting at the top, and working down cleaning there own mess as it falls on the lower balcony, no, start at the bottom, and work up, and make it dirtier than when you came.

That tiling in the Torch is better than mine, at least it has grouting between it, mine is just butted up together and those patio doors are the same as here, and that electrical connection out of the ceiling, has a connector block on it, with have red insulating tape here, the cheapskates.

I have a few cracked marble tiles, although they will change them for me if I want, the odds are, they will crack the others around them as well, so leave it alone and live with it.

I ordered a Mercedes and got a Ford.

But the view is to die for.

Alan

Absolutely right TB.

http://i29.tinypic.com/wofu9.jpg

Luckily the water taxis are enclosed in glass so the smell will be more bareable to those not used to the smell of raw sewerage being processed in such close proximity to ones residence. :)
Well done yesterday, Macedonia. Result. :banana:

You might reach the play offs, unless Norway beat Macedonia at home on Wednesday and then your shocking -4 GD will let you down again.

Cant see you lot doing the Dutch. :cheers:

Sewage plant is in Al Barsha which is closer to The Torch. We have the desalination (fresh water) plant:) You should come over to the Chic end some time you might like it. Or maybe you need to convince yourself daily that you made the right choice:dunno:

No rain forecast for Wednesday night so Scotland will get humped!:lol: Would be nice to make the finals and take part but like England, we are never going to win it.

LATEST NEWS............My windows have now been cleaned, my balcony was cleaned as well, and then the outside cradle came past and cleaned the ali panels above making mine dirty again, the wind blows it in, now these muppets, instead of starting at the top, and working down cleaning there own mess as it falls on the lower balcony, no, start at the bottom, and work up, and make it dirtier than when you came.


Amazing. Simply amazing.

Amazing. Simply amazing.

9.O'Clock, this morning, turned up and did the patio door seals, they also walked straight into a bedroom my guests where sleeping in, and did the scratched glass to, they changed the good side first, until it was pointed out, that the scratch was still there.

Perhaps they read these threads, or know Mrs G and I are in the MOG.


Now what do I do, its all done, nothing to moan at, I'll even do a Banana:banana:

Al.

Great news Uncle Al. I will join you in a banana :banana:

Don't get too excited Alan,something else will go wrong......"It happens like this in Dubai "goes the saying.
As life is perfect now,perhaps you would like to get 'em binoculars out and tell us what is happening over at The Torch.Have they completed floor 77?

Tosh

Well, I had a look, and guess what it's still there, still no workers to be seen, but I did notice that the Concrete pump on the top seems to be missing, so thinking that no would would half inch it, I mean who would carry it down 76 floors, perhaps it's broken down, and has slowed them up, TB or IMRE would know, anyway there are concrete supports going in on the corners for the next floor. Dont ak me to get technical.........

Alan

Torch fest tomorrow,, check ssc from 10 onwards

will post again !

Sewage plant is in Al Barsha which is closer to The Torch.

The mega plant they are building at Jebel Ali isn't :tongue4:

Sewage plant is in Al Barsha which is closer to The Torch.

The mega plant they are building at Jebel Ali isn't :tongue4:

Thats what i meant, TB has a very selective memory when it suits him. :ohno:

Dubai Municipality plans to build phase 1 of Jebel Ali Sewage Treatment Plant (STP). is part of 's plan to provide modern infrastructure and to keep pace with the population growth expected over the next 25 years.

The first phase of the plant will produce 250,000 cubic meters per day of treated shit/water.

http://www.zawya.com/projects/project.cfm/pid030507092217?cc

250,000 cu.m of SHIT being processesed on your doorstep. Goes live next April I believe.

I'll be just fine down this end thanks.

ENJOY. :cheers:

Torch fest tomorrow,, check ssc from 10 onwards

Hold each others hands tight, its a long way up in an external lift !! have fun though !! :cheers:

Nice pics Amplesou, thanks.

Torch FEST tomorrow,, check ssc from 10 onwards



I have a movie of my rome around the torch if some one knows how to post movies on here please p.m. me!

Just some more pics of my precious moments in dubai ! very sad to leave :cry::cry: hey ho just wait till my apartment is built in sports city !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol::lol::lol:
Very humid
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7919/img1236a.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/img1236a.jpg/)

Pool deck in The Point just for an idea of quality ?

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7074/img1296.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/img1296.jpg/)

And The Point gym

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/981/img1298o.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/img1298o.jpg/)

Partial sea view ! very good !

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5589/img1253w.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/img1253w.jpg/)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7989/img1257h.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/i/img1257h.jpg/)

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4459/img1258.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/i/img1258.jpg/)

Neighbors

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7485/img1259.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/i/img1259.jpg/)

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1467/img1262.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/img1262.jpg/)

Watch out imrei
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4331/img1246x.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/img1246x.jpg/)

I have a movie of my rome around the torch if some one knows how to post movies on here please p.m. me!

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7989/img1257h.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/i/img1257h.jpg/)


The same as uploading pics just hit video file as the option. Thanks for sharing these.

From the pic above it looks like they are preparing to cast the swimming pool walls on the deck. Did you get any more pictures of this.

Many pools in Dubai are tiny, like the point in your pics as an example. It makes me wonder what would happen on a Friday if the towers were anywhere near 60% occupied. Bath towel carnage i imagine.

Fortunately the Torch will have one of the bigest pools i have seen in a tower in Dubai.

Pool deck in The Point just for an idea of quality ?

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7074/img1296.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/img1296.jpg/)


Difficult to tell at that distance if truth be told.

5/10 for the one on the left, and 6/10 for the one on the right seem fair?

The same as uploading pics just hit video file as the option. Thanks for sharing these.

From the pic above it looks like they are preparing to cast the swimming pool walls on the deck. Did you get any more pictures of this.

Many pools in Dubai are tiny, like the point in your pics as an example. It makes me wonder what would happen on a Friday if the towers were anywhere near 60% occupied. Bath towel carnage i imagine.

Fortunately the Torch will have one of the bigest pools i have seen in a tower in Dubai.

This is the nearest to the pool deck area i have going on what you say! i think !

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7913/img1269k.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/img1269k.jpg/)
Top !
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8049/img1275c.jpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/i/img1275c.jpg/)

Nice shops here and great supermarket !

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6821/img1271m.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/img1271m.jpg/)

All action in front of the torch !!

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5972/img1266y.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/img1266y.jpg/)

Hold each others hands tight, its a long way up in an external lift !! have fun though !! :cheers:

Nice pics Amplesou, thanks.

We are walking mate -- need to lose a stone or two
:lol::lol:

What walk up stairs in this weather?, never mind climbing around buildings at 3ish at peak temps... Mad Dogs and Englishmen :)

Is it 9 or 9.30 ?

upload a video to youtube you need an account which is free..

Then paste

[youtube] the letters after the equals bit [/youtub*]

spelt the last /youtube wrong otherwise the forum will post a video box..

quote any video and you will see the code...

We are walking mate -- need to lose a stone or two
:lol::lol:

Could do a sponsered dash to the top, remember to take several litres of water though !! have fun up there, enjoy.:cheers:

Originally Posted by bizzybonita
I thought you was luck down for good May 3rd, 2012 08:06 PM ... Thread's Playa

You sir (BIZZYBONITA) are appointed to moderate here NOT sit back and mess with, and BULLY members.



You have done this repeatedly with myself,despite my contribution to the D.Sc. threads and other since 2007..

My contribution to DSc is less because of your single handed ,sick minded bulling attitude imo!

take a look at your pointless tirade against me since the turn of the year below

I have repeatedly asked you and atlind, for your help for improvements to the Mess ,which your lack of "moderation" has led too in the first place on the DSc threads....


I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG TO DESERVE THIS !!!!!!


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Bizzybonita your are one sick human being..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=[/youtub*] XjgiaysJdIU

this link works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjgiaysJdIU

Thanks amplesou!

What floor/ room number was this video made from?

That 1 bed looks very small compared with the one Imre photographed earlier.

I was looking for the floor plans to compare them and noticed that Select Property have removed the Torch from the main page of their website!

http://www.selectproperty.com/invest/dubai/

That 1 bed looks very small compared with the one Imre photographed earlier.

I was looking for the floor plans to compare them and noticed that Select Property have removed the Torch from the main page of their website!

http://www.selectproperty.com/invest/dubai/

Guess it is a number 11 ??

http://www.selectproperty.com/regions/dubai/the-torch/resources/pdf/Floors_1-22.pdf

Yes looks like a type 11. Don't think I like the enclosed kitchens with hatch. The aprts. with open plan kitchen with work top between kitchen and living rooms look bigger / nicer. Glad the 2 beds on the upper floors are part open plan also.

http://i41.tinypic.com/mn2i6s.jpg

Although CBP did a very good update on his Point apt.

http://i32.tinypic.com/paumf.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/v6uuee.jpg

this link works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjgiaysJdIU

Thanks amplesou!

What floor/ room number was this video made from?

Cheers Sid for soughing out my first foray into posting u-tube !
This apartment i think is no.11 and is on the first floor of the tower after the podium floors.By the way what are podium floors fore ,the ceilings where very low! car parks ?
:cheers:

Watch out imrei
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4331/img1246x.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/img1246x.jpg/)

yes but what should I watch out here ?:)

Could do a sponsered dash to the top, remember to take several litres of water though !! have fun up there, enjoy.:cheers:


Back now survived the trip -- SALE and IMRE have great pics to post later - we could see PJA today and view of PJ , Burj El Arab and MARINA is FANTASTIC

Cheers Sid for soughing out my first foray into posting u-tube !
This apartment i think is no.11 and is on the first floor of the tower after the podium floors.By the way what are podium floors fore ,the ceilings where very low! car parks ?
:cheers:

Cool! Thats the view I will have, but approx 18-20 floors higher! :banana:

That 1 bed looks very small compared with the one Imre photographed earlier.

I was looking for the floor plans to compare them and noticed that Select Property have removed the Torch from the main page of their website!

http://www.selectproperty.com/invest/dubai/

Imre is using a wide-angle lens, thats why kitchen looks big.

(A lot of estate agents do that too..)

08/September/2009

The Torch

site visit today , many thanks for MANUTD,Matthew and Sale234 :)

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http://i26.tinypic.com/28l73iq.jpg

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http://i25.tinypic.com/f9jk8k.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/295xsmu.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/2kn490.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/qrm3wo.jpg

08/September/2009

The Torch

model from the site office

http://i27.tinypic.com/1e0vpd.jpg

08/September/2009

The Torch

some construction photos


http://i31.tinypic.com/wmf0k2.jpg

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http://i26.tinypic.com/rjpfgm.jpg

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http://i32.tinypic.com/2hghdao.jpg

:master: great pics once again, Hope you enjoyed the trip up !!

With the downscale of Infinity and Damac Heights, no one can take the sunset view from appts at the top of the tower !

yes, people are lucky , nothing happening this plot :)

08/September/2009

http://i28.tinypic.com/99kxt5.jpg

08/September/2009

Views from The Torch

Palm Jumeirah and see view

http://i28.tinypic.com/281acsl.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/2jfks50.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/k154ev.jpg


Palm Jumeirah ,See,City view,Emirates Golf Course View

http://i25.tinypic.com/2prg2vm.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/34xm904.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/sfi6x3.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/10xv6vs.jpg

JLT-Marina View

http://i32.tinypic.com/vxhhua.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/2chkxdy.jpg

JLT/Marina/See,/Palm Jebel Ali view

http://i31.tinypic.com/nyejgp.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/358pb9x.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/15mb9qt.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/25qsuqe.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/2luw5nd.jpg

I simply CANNOT wait to see these views at night.

VKpLXwvJsyE

HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKpLXwvJsyE

^^ Manually add &fmt=22 to the end of the link to force it into HD -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKpLXwvJsyE&fmt=22

Fabulous pics and video Imre. I'm extremely jealous!

Thanks gents, your efforts are much appreciated. Do you have any internal pix or is the previous ban back in place? :cheers:

I don't think C***n (the decent guy) will be very happy hearing his name on air like that :lol::lol:

yes but what should I watch out here ?:)

Watch out for Cooker hoods falling !:storm:

Thanks gents, your efforts are much appreciated. Do you have any internal pix or is the previous ban back in place? :cheers:

I don't think C***n (the decent guy) will be very happy hearing his name on air like that :lol::lol:

:lol: who are they talking about (you or TB?), the decent guy that dislikes select group but "is understandable" :)

08/September/2009

Dubai Marina

2 more from The Torch

http://i27.tinypic.com/2drxwdx.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/50p6v9.jpg

yes, people are lucky , nothing happening this plot :)

08/September/2009

http://i28.tinypic.com/99kxt5.jpg

Thank you for all the great photos Imre :banana:

but I can't relax until I know what is going to happen here.

Steve,This is where DM Towers vs JLT towers residents will be fighting it out for the "New Dubai" champions league trophy.!!

08/September/2009

The Torch

http://i31.tinypic.com/nrvqa.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/2r5ymih.jpg

Imre thanks again you are the man........

beautiful :)

With the downscale of Infinity and Damac Heights, no one can take the sunset view from appts at the top of the tower !

The sunset view from the Torch will be absolutely stunning.

The Torch balconies in question are all pointing Due West to maximise this view.

It's also worth noting that the sun actually only sets "due west" twice a year. Once on 21st March, and once on 21st September (the equinoxes). For every other day the sun sets at a slightly different location along the horizon. At Dubai's latitude of 25 degrees North, there is an angular divergence of about 26 degrees each side of "due west".

So in the winter (until December 21st solstice) the sunset will move to 26 degrees (south of due west) and in the summer (until 21st July solstice) the sunset will move to 26 degrees (north of due west), giving a total angular divergence of 52 degrees throughout the year.

The pic below shows the total angular divergence, (roughly, before anyone gets a hard on and tries to prove me wrong).

http://i28.tinypic.com/10715dd.jpg

A BIG THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HAVE POSTED PICTURES AND VIDEOS HERE THIS WEEK. WE HAVE BEEN TRUELY SPOILT. :cheers:

Thanks HT, I am now an educated man.............and when we came in January, I said to Mrs G, look it should be a really cool apartment, as we dont get any sun, but as the Sun moves around so much, during the summer we got plenty, believe me, when you live here you will be drawing the curtains to keep the Sun out.

Why does the moon move around so much as well?

Alan

A truely in depth explanation HT from a brief comment made, go to the top of the class ! :lol:

I have to say, I think the views over the marina and sea/Palm Jumeirah from the high floors will be truly spectacular. Add in the metro, tram and water taxi and this should be a very attractive rental proposition.

I have to say, I think the views over the marina and sea/Palm Jumeirah from the high floors will be truly spectacular. Add in the metro, tram and water taxi and this should be a very attractive rental proposition.

Beginning to like this one too :cheers: nice pics imre!

I have to say, I think the views over the marina and sea/Palm Jumeirah from the high floors will be truly spectacular. Add in the metro, tram and water taxi and this should be a very attractive rental proposition.

Mark add "frightening" to the adjectives to describe of the views from 77th floor (I couldn't go anywhere near the edge like SALE and IMRE !)

BTW the view of Palm etc is my 3 bed view --I think HT is a neighbour
Still 16-18 months away yet though until we move in ? - after TP i'd rather they get it right 1st Time round !

[QUOTE=MANUTD;42896996]Mark add "frightening" to the adjectives to describe of the views from 77th floor (I couldn't go anywhere near the edge like SALE and IMRE !)

I'm not supprised, there is only scaffold bars on the edges as a safety measure, one trip up and your over the edge, I felt exactly the same when I went up the Jewels during construction, and that was only the 14th floor, however I was in flip flops.

11/September/2009

The Torch

http://i32.tinypic.com/10x8vmc.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/11qi6w2.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/e8v639.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/d8ak9.jpg

I think level 77 should be called the Ramadan floor:)

I think level 77 should be called the Ramadan floor:)


:lol: Nice one.........:applause:

I think level 77 should be called the Ramadan floor:)

Maybe they are having problems pumping concrete at the height (experience and all that) :dunno:

Maybe they are having problems pumping concrete at the height (experience and all that) :dunno:

maybe, above this floor (77th) only the Arabtec (Burj Dubai) and the Nasa Multiplex (The Index) have experience in Dubai :) (+the ACC if we see the heights)

Maybe they are having problems pumping concrete at the height (experience and all that) :dunno:

I'm sure Burj Dubai was pumped in 1 stage which I thought was bonkers.

pumping in 1 stage to floor 77;

77levels at 3.6m = 277m
concrete density = 2.4tonnes per m3

static pressure of concrete at 277m height = 277x2.4 = 665 tonnes/m2

pump pressure required to overcome friction and static head:dunno:can't remember my Chezy coeficients, maybe 150% = 1000tonnes/m2

That nice round figure might mean your right Mackie and the machines are only rated at 1000t/m2 or 10,000KN/m2 then the safety cutout takes over to prevent a nasty accident.;)

I'm sure Burj Dubai was pumped in 1 stage which I thought was bonkers.

pumping in 1 stage to floor 77;

77levels at 3.6m = 277m
concrete density = 2.4tonnes per m3

static pressure of concrete at 277m height = 277x2.4 = 665 tonnes/m2

pump pressure required to overcome friction and static head:dunno:can't remember my Chezy coeficients, maybe 150% = 1000tonnes/m2

That nice round figure might mean your right Mackie and the machines are only rated at 1000t/m2 or 10,000KN/m2 then the safety cutout takes over to prevent a nasty accident.;)

You will find this interesting
http://www.putzmeister.it/cps/rde/xchg/SID-3C6E00FC-DAB7B97A/pmi/hs.xsl/5751_ITA_HTML.htm

You will find this interesting
http://www.putzmeister.it/cps/rde/xchg/SID-3C6E00FC-DAB7B97A/pmi/hs.xsl/5751_ITA_HTML.htm

Thanks Mackie. Looks like the Burj Dubai pump was rated at 14,000KN/m2 going by the model number.

Concrete technology is crutial to creating the optimal pump mix. I guess if they can super plasticise the concrete into a fluid state then pumping becomes a lot easier at these heights. It's then a case of making sure that segregation does not take place in the riser tube.

Can it not be pumped to 40th or so, batched and pumped again?

Maybe they are having problems pumping concrete at the height (experience and all that) :dunno:

I asked (politely) for an explanation for the apparent ceasing of activities 9 days ago directly to Select Group (ccdxb@select-group.ae) and as yet, I have had no reply (worryingly).

Also, if this is a pump issue, does this prevent them putting windows in, etc?

I see little evidence of anything happening on The Torch, relative to the progress being made last month and I find this very concerning. This appears to be backed up by evidence that there is little work force on The Torch at the moment.

We really need some inside track here on what on earth is going on over there. Anyone in a position to help?

Regards

The Torch

Can it not be pumped to 40th or so, batched and pumped again?

Physics says yes, practicalities may make this difficult;

1) Whose apartment is going to have shed load of concrete poured into it?

2) They would need to change the concrete order I guess, as they would need slower drying concrete, or a different mix, otherwise, it would set going up the second tube, or even in the 40th floor apartment!!

3) Going up the first 40 floors creates heat and may be part of the setting process (I dunno?)

Some form of booster pump, half way up, would be a better idea, if possible.

The Torch

Can it not be pumped to 40th or so, batched and pumped again?

Easy, we used to do it all the time on bridge projects. Pumping from a nearby road out to an island or barge and repumping up to the structure.

One pump just pumps straight into the hopper of the other, no mess.

Does anyone know what level the duplex penthouses start, and if there are 2 penthouse levels (4 levels) or just the one penthouse levels. If there are 2 penthouse levels (4 floors) add in the observation level, then that's 82 levels, current being 77 then the 5 levels I mention. The penthouse structure will be different to the 3 beds, so perhaps there is a issue here that's holding things up. Anyone offer any thoughts on this theory ?? :)

I asked (politely) for an explanation for the apparent ceasing of activities 9 days ago directly to Select Group (ccdxb@select-group.ae) and as yet, I have had no reply (worryingly).

Also, if this is a pump issue, does this prevent them putting windows in, etc?

I see little evidence of anything happening on The Torch, relative to the progress being made last month and I find this very concerning. This appears to be backed up by evidence that there is little work force on The Torch at the moment.

We really need some inside track here on what on earth is going on over there. Anyone in a position to help?

Regards

The Torch


Dear Mr, Torch.

You worry me, because you are always worried, you make us all worried, now stop all this worrying please, before we all get worried over you worrying to much.

Let me assure you that nothing has changed, they are still going up, the Pump seems to have gone, the two Gay synchronized, crane drivers are still performing there togetherness, and the top floors now seemed to have a flare to them.

Stop this firing off an email, everytime they have tea break, remember, not only is it Ramadan, but they get 3 hours off in the afternoon for a little knap.

Alan

Does anyone know what level the duplex penthouses start, and if there are 2 penthouse levels (4 levels) or just the one penthouse levels. If there are 2 penthouse levels (4 floors) add in the observation level, then that's 82 levels, current being 77 then the 5 levels I mention. The penthouse structure will be different to the 3 beds, so perhaps there is a issue here that's holding things up. Anyone offer any thoughts on this theory ?? :)

I have no technical knowledge, so can't comment. However, your mention of the penthouses brought them back into my mind. I nearly bought one, back in the day. If by any chance one came onto the market at a 'distressed' price in today's market I'd be very tempted, as the views would be spectacular and, as I recall, they were very spacious - around 3700 sq ft, I believe.

We all want this and other SG developments to go up quick -and they should. But don't forget that there being slower progress over ramadam is like saying there's slower progress in the UK over the christmas period. It's to be expected unfortunately.

I have no technical knowledge, so can't comment. However, your mention of the penthouses brought them back into my mind. I nearly bought one, back in the day. If by any chance one came onto the market at a 'distressed' price in today's market I'd be very tempted, as the views would be spectacular and, as I recall, they were very spacious - around 3700 sq ft, I believe.

Me too, however it was the service charge of probably 10 -12k per year that initially put me off, but if now you could pick one up at reasonable cost and factor in say 10 yrs service charge, then it would certainly bring out the calculator ! Sit tight and wait !!

I have no technical knowledge, so can't comment. However, your mention of the penthouses brought them back into my mind. I nearly bought one, back in the day. If by any chance one came onto the market at a 'distressed' price in today's market I'd be very tempted, as the views would be spectacular and, as I recall, they were very spacious - around 3700 sq ft, I believe.

SOLUTION FOR YOUR 1 BEDS MATE --do deal wit RAHAIL to swap for the PENT ??

Dear Mr, Torch.

You worry me, because you are always worried, you make us all worried, now stop all this worrying please, before we all get worried over you worrying to much.

Let me assure you that nothing has changed, they are still going up, the Pump seems to have gone, the two Gay synchronized, crane drivers are still performing there togetherness, and the top floors now seemed to have a flare to them.

Stop this firing off an email, everytime they have tea break, remember, not only is it Ramadan, but they get 3 hours off in the afternoon for a little knap.

Alan

Dear Alan

1) I am not worried as such, just would like some update on reasoning behind the go slow - if it's Ramadam, fine.

2) I don't have a problem with the two crane drivers joining the "mile high club" on top of the Torch. Nobody could see them up there apart from IMRE through his rather nice camera and what they get up to during their 3 hours sleep time is their business.

3) I've only sent two emails to Select Group, the second one being a follow up of the first one :ohno:

4) Thank you for your reassurance - it's good to know the pump has gone! I assume the concrete is now being carried up there during their 3 hour break - yes?

5) Sorry if I am the cause of "global worry", the market crash, loss of Lehman Brothers, major take over of RBS by an organization that has no idea about banking and a consistent track record of no delivery, and of course, for sending shivers down the Skyscraper City community.

6) I will try not to worry so much, however, having just lost all my money on an apartment in Ajman, that simply isn't getting off the ground, I'm a little sensitive at the moment :nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

:)

The Torch

One thing I must agree with 'the torch' is the fact that Select Group are not currently answering any emails. I have sent multiple email requests for a receipt and have not had any reply. I find Select Group's customer support appauling since they dropped Select Property UK.

^^

I bet if you send them an email saying that you're looking to buy an apartment, someone will get back to you very promptly!

^^

I bet if you send them an email saying that you're looking to buy an apartment, someone will get back to you very promptly!

Exactly!!

Has anyone tried going along to their office in Dubai to find out what's happening or does anyone have a phone number for them in Dubai?

Exactly!!

Has anyone tried going along to their office in Dubai to find out what's happening or does anyone have a phone number for them in Dubai?

They do not like to give out phone numbers which leads me to believe they are not staffed or equiped to deal with customers, that is why they used Select Property's services in the past. I even doubt that they would respond to an email requesting to buy a unit!

Exactly!!

Has anyone tried going along to their office in Dubai to find out what's happening or does anyone have a phone number for them in Dubai?

http://www.select-group.ae/contactUs.html

They do not like to give out phone numbers which leads me to believe they are not staffed or equiped to deal with customers, that is why they used Select Property's services in the past. I even doubt that they would respond to an email requesting to buy a unit!

I emailed my old account manager about 3 weeks ago with a general query about my apartment. They got the wrong end of the stick (thinking I was looking to sell through their re-sales team) and someone called me back within about 3 hours!

^^ Yes Select Property UK were very good at returing calls and email. The problem however is with Select Group in Dubai ignoring everything that is sent to them! God only knows how hand over will be possible since they ignore all feedback and questions.