#COMPLETED: THE TORCH, 84F Res, 338m [Archive] - Page 45

agod

November 26th, 2009, 11:46 PM

talks

November 27th, 2009, 01:17 PM

agod

November 27th, 2009, 01:20 PM

see..............story to be continued

True Blue

November 27th, 2009, 06:57 PM

So here's a funny thing.........................Once upon a time there was this great ruler in the Kingdom of Crazyville, this great ruler was a well respected and honurable man, if he said, I will build it and they will come, and come they did, but build it he didn't.........well the stuff he owned anyway, the great knights of this ruler's round table, Nakheel, Emaar, and deepee, failed in there task, and the message that went out to all his disciples was "it's on hold" its on hold became the war cry of all the great rulers knights, so he sacked them, and replaced them with more knights (yet to me named), and left many of there follower's in the shit.
I remember my brothers on this very forum, saying how the great ruler would not let his knights fail in there task, and to only spend there well earned groats from them.

Story to be continued..............

So here is a more funny thing, that the little whipper snapper called Aslam, from the great forest's of England's Manchester, was such a crook (my brothers on this forum told me so) would not build anything, all your groats and dreams would end up as a new Bentley for him, and a couple of ferraris for his wench, so who is Robin Hood now? or the sherriffof Nottingham, or maybe David and Goliath, Royal Oceanic haned over, the Point handed over, Botanica under way, the Torch nearly topped out, the thingy in RAK under way, Bay Central underway, is there more my little brothers I have missed, has the scallywag from Manchester done what he said he would, or are you all heading for the stocks.

Alan

The problem with this great ruler was he did not know the difference between a groat and a goat once upon a time. Then he discovered black liquid that westerners were desperate to part with large bags of Gold in exchange for. Now he had wealth which he and his Knights could not count or comprehend. Far too heavy to carry around they soon found out that this gold could be used to build lavish palaces and oasises. Then they had the great idea of building many palaces and lands made from worthless sand which stretched out into the oceans. Many other wealthy and noble people would exchange more gold for these palaces and travel and live in these abodes for a few moons when the leaves fall from the trees and the days are short. The idea was a mirage of wonderment but there was one fatal flaw in the plan. The ruler and his knights had no business sense, no concept of profit and cost but were about to create the largest company known to mankind. They would set off on their journey with big holes in their pockets, building this dream after that dream whilst losing all the gold on the way. One day the inevitable would happen and it did. There was plenty of palaces and new oasises but no gold left to pay for the labours of the day.

While the wise ruler was "building it so they would come" what he did not realise was,that the people who would come first were the people who already had some gold of their own and understood how to make this gold grow. One in particular was this young whipper snapper from England who had once made old carts into shinny carts selling them as chariotts for big profit. He got wise to the ways of money and heard about the Kingdom of Crazyville. He decided to set off with a plan to sell palaces in the sky to the people but not to build palaces, instead he would only build treehouses for the price of a palace thus making his fortune. The only way this plan to become very rich would succeed, infact even richer than the ruler of crazyville, was to get everyone to pay upfront before they could see that all they were getting was a treehouse and not a palace in the sky. And the idea became reality, collecting gold every few moons and passing on fables of delays to the labours until all but 1 piece of gold was left to be collected. He had succeeded where the ruler had failed. The sands sunk back into the seas and the dream of palaces ended for everyone. But the people who got there treehouses, even though very late, were happy bacause they could see the streets of unfinished palaces and empty lands upon the sea and felt lucky they did not give their gold to the Knights of Crazyville.

However, there was one band of rebels that were very satisfied and a bit smug with it. This band had given just pieces of silver to the only treehouse maker in the land and they got nice treehouses built within a few short ebbs and flows of the tide from the moon that they were promised. Turns out these treehouses were nicer than the treehouses that were promised as palaces. But as they all now lived in treehouses they were like 2 peas in a pod.:baeh3:

High Times

November 27th, 2009, 07:22 PM

2 peas in a pod.:baeh3:

Heard of copyright law. :lol:

Great post TB.

Nice to see some of us can relax and smile whilst the world around us crumbles.

Dubai_Steve

November 27th, 2009, 08:25 PM

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Dubai_Steve

November 27th, 2009, 08:33 PM

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True Blue

November 28th, 2009, 02:41 PM

^^It's all very close. OH is at about the same level also, seems they are hitting some invisible barrier:)

Any chance we can do one of these pictograms with just Torch, Infinity and the finish line:laugh:

Psofos

November 28th, 2009, 04:44 PM

I am not as poetic as you guys but I can say that the 'Rulers' meant well although in hindsight their business acumen may be questioned. The SG Manchester guy though and his little knights are a bounch of crooks! In the good old days the 'rulers' would have done us all a favour 'off with their heads'. These days they seem to be turning a blind eye! Wishing you all a happy hand-over, unlike the hand-over at The Point!

The problem with this great ruler was he did not know the difference between a groat and a goat once upon a time. Then he discovered black liquid that westerners were desperate to part with large bags of Gold in exchange for. Now he had wealth which he and his Knights could not count or comprehend. Far too heavy to carry around they soon found out that this gold could be used to build lavish palaces and oasises. Then they had the great idea of building many palaces and lands made from worthless sand which stretched out into the oceans. Many other wealthy and noble people would exchange more gold for these palaces and travel and live in these abodes for a few moons when the leaves fall from the trees and the days are short. The idea was a mirage of wonderment but there was one fatal flaw in the plan. The ruler and his knights had no business sense, no concept of profit and cost but were about to create the largest company known to mankind. They would set off on their journey with big holes in their pockets, building this dream after that dream whilst losing all the gold on the way. One day the inevitable would happen and it did. There was plenty of palaces and new oasises but no gold left to pay for the labours of the day.

While the wise ruler was "building it so they would come" what he did not realise was,that the people who would come first were the people who already had some gold of their own and understood how to make this gold grow. One in particular was this young whipper snapper from England who had once made old carts into shinny carts selling them as chariotts for big profit. He got wise to the ways of money and heard about the Kingdom of Crazyville. He decided to set off with a plan to sell palaces in the sky to the people but not to build palaces, instead he would only build treehouses for the price of a palace thus making his fortune. The only way this plan to become very rich would succeed, infact even richer than the ruler of crazyville, was to get everyone to pay upfront before they could see that all they were getting was a treehouse and not a palace in the sky. And the idea became reality, collecting gold every few moons and passing on fables of delays to the labours until all but 1 piece of gold was left to be collected. He had succeeded where the ruler had failed. The sands sunk back into the seas and the dream of palaces ended for everyone. But the people who got there treehouses, even though very late, were happy bacause they could see the streets of unfinished palaces and empty lands upon the sea and felt lucky they did not give their gold to the Knights of Crazyville.

However, there was one band of rebels that were very satisfied and a bit smug with it. This band had given just pieces of silver to the only treehouse maker in the land and they got nice treehouses built within a few short ebbs and flows of the tide from the moon that they were promised. Turns out these treehouses were nicer than the treehouses that were promised as palaces. But as they all now lived in treehouses they were like 2 peas in a pod.:baeh3:

Psofos

November 28th, 2009, 06:11 PM

...and you believed these guys! Take it from a Point owner.... They are masters of the art of BULLSHIT!

Right; - come on guys. We've had a page of relative doom gloom, scaremongering - and yes OK possible a bit of reality, but can we get back to the positivity of the building side of things??

I had a very upbeat call from SG yesterday; - and I'm not so naive as to assume it was full of truth and reality, - but why is there such fear that this is a company with no money and about to go under. They have been ruthlessly efficient at collecting the money and have not been sidetracked or granted any major concessions on this. I reckon they are probably well placed to give the few that want it their money back and then resell the units. I'm convinced (with no real knowledge) that there aren't many going the refund route; - it's not likely to break the bank.

I did receive acknowledgement from SG (and this will be no comfort to Point owners right now) that they are "learners" regarding the handover routine and they are learning plenty at TP. It was also acknowledged that their pocedure has to be - and I was assured it will be - better when they hand over The Torch.

I can hear the cynics - who clearly know more than I do - scoffing, but that's OK. I reckon those who've asked for their money back may be surprised when they get it. They might even wonder if that's what they really wanted in due course.

Yousuf27

November 28th, 2009, 11:15 PM

...and you believed these guys! Take it from a Point owner.... They are masters of the art of BULLSHIT!

The World (Not Dubai World though!!) has moved on Psofos; ... and so should you!

AltinD

November 29th, 2009, 03:30 PM

29/11

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Psofos

November 29th, 2009, 06:15 PM

The World (Not Dubai World though!!) has moved on Psofos; ... and so should you!

........ This sounds familiar Yousuf! Let me see! Oh Yes, this is exactly what Select Group told me to do!

Imre

November 29th, 2009, 06:56 PM

29/November/2009

Dubai Marina tallest block

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High Times

November 29th, 2009, 09:34 PM

What a great Sunday.

Chelsea put 3 past the gooners and two unexpected photo updates from Imre & Altin.

Thank you gents.

:applause:

Dubai_Steve

November 29th, 2009, 11:00 PM

Whats this?

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True Blue

November 30th, 2009, 12:47 AM

Not sure what you mean!

Is it the cradle that they are fixing the cladding from you are refering to?

agod

November 30th, 2009, 01:43 AM

Dubai_Steve

November 30th, 2009, 01:56 AM

Not sure what you mean!

Is it the cradle that they are fixing the cladding from you are refering to?

Ah yes must be the cradle for fixing cladding. Thought they were cleaning windows for a minute :lol:

234sale

November 30th, 2009, 01:37 PM

Floor 76..

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View towards Marina from that floor

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True Blue

November 30th, 2009, 01:53 PM

Floor 76..

View towards Marina from that floor

Those little white dots in the water, is that the yachts??:D

MANUTD

November 30th, 2009, 01:55 PM

Sale did you get Palm view mate ?

234sale

November 30th, 2009, 02:15 PM

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^76 Floor Palm view

One more coming

234sale

November 30th, 2009, 02:25 PM

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agod

November 30th, 2009, 02:38 PM

Corner supports for the next floor, are being poured at this moment, I get the feeling that all systems are go again, is that your Penthouse HT?

Alan

High Times

November 30th, 2009, 03:18 PM

is that your Penthouse HT?

Alan

No Alan, sadly not.

Thank for the pics Sale. They are excellent. :cheers:

Dubai_Steve

November 30th, 2009, 03:54 PM

Corner supports for the next floor, are being poured at this moment, I get the feeling that all systems are go again, is that your Penthouse HT?

Alan

Hopefully that is not related to the fact that most of the December LPP payments are now in.

Tosh

November 30th, 2009, 04:18 PM

How many floors left to top out?

thetorch

November 30th, 2009, 06:11 PM

agod

November 30th, 2009, 08:15 PM

Dear Torch.

To read the full writings of Hiram Amiff, you must first belong to a club, No not stringfellows, a society so secret, that only TB and I have read his writings....

Al.

mackie1964

November 30th, 2009, 09:49 PM

I have a song ready for release with the book. My story is totally different to yours Al :)

Nice interiors, I must remember to treat myself to one of these units :bash:

http://www.selectproperty.com/invest/dubai-marina/the-torch/

True Blue

December 1st, 2009, 12:10 AM

so, the great knight Cayan, did pull the magic sword from the great stone, and with this magic, did build the Temple of all architecture rising between the sea and shore, he named this great work "infinity" and whilst he went away on his many travels to the Bankrupt kingdom, known as UKay,put his cheif supervisor in charge "Hiram amiif" Hiram was a jealous man, and a man who liked his drink, (single malt Ardbeg) and was slightly dyslexic as well.

When he retuned from his travels his heart sank, as he had planned a structure as tall, and as straight as and English arrow, but what site his eyes did befall him now,
was as twisty and drunk as a Scotsman's skiandoo.............

When the Great Cayan questioned his disloyal servant Hiram amiff of his bad archtecture, he said I am sorry my lord Cayan, the plans had gone mouldy under this great sun, and become all twisted and bent, I only built what I saw......

The great Cayan, had enough of this rogue, and hit him with a great Maul, which did not kill him, but fixed his dyslexia, and sobered him up enough, to see the error of his ways............but all was to late, as the twisty building as it is now known, was on the 33rd floor, and to late tobe straightened..

To be continued..............
Al

^^Don't know how I managed to miss this little posting. Very nice but you may want to consider this version for the final draft.

Anyway, Al your story is similar to the version told for many decades to the children of the treehouses. Hiram Amiif was not struck on the head twice for his ambivilance, but he was struck three times, for he would not reveal the true secret of the craftsmen who were building the great twisting tower. Hiram had been left clear plans for the erection of a tall building as straight as an arrow, but in the absence of Lord Cayan, he took to the Scottish Malt and in a whiskey fuelled rage he twisted the plans, as would it be Lord Cayan's neck, and heaved them over into the rubbish.

When Hiram Amiif sobered up the following morning before sunrise, he could not find the plans for the building. Forgetting he had twisted the plans and heaved them over into the rubbish, he ordered his 2 wardens to make haste and go in search of the lost plans for the building. The wardens set off, one heading East by way of Joppa and one to the West towards Egypt. They searched all day but could not find the plans, when they returned at night they sat on the sand beneath a large torch and moralised over their predicament. Fearfull of their master Hiram, the wardens decided to make false plans for the building. Not having the knowledge or skills of their masters, they took inspiration from the tall torch which was the single external light they required. The following morning they presented the rashly put together plans of the straight building to Master Amiif who immediately recognised the form of a Torch. "Ah ha! Get to work and build this beauty in the North East corner without further delay", screamed Hiram.

Meanwhile a poor apprentice had just been entered into the workforce hoping to learn the secrets of building great structures. He slept upon the rubbish heap and woke to find the twisted plans of the amazing tower. He had an idea to build this tower on a plot of land by the waters edge and in his opinion, a better location than the North East corner plot which Hiram was so boastfull of. The poor apprentice had only acheived 1 degree of skill and was not aware that great plans must be laid out flat so he went to work on the twisted plans for 23 hours each day.

When laying the foundation stone for the twisted building, the poor apprentice had a set back when the hole he dug in the sand filled with water. He knew he needed to dig deep in the sand to lay the foundation on sound bedrock. Due to this set back the tall Torch forged ahead and upwards. However the workmen from the Torch only worked for a few hours each day and made plenty of sleep under the sun and debochery during the moonlight hours. For this reason the young apprentices' industry soon let him catch up.

Twas at this time that lord Cayan returned from his crusade in Scotland, by way of France and exchanging a few handshakes with his fellow knights of the temples, as was normal. On his arrival he saw the 2 buildings and was in awe at the twisting building. He wandered upto the young apprentice who immediately recognised the Jewels of the lord Cayan and aknowledged him as the Grand master of building. "Who approved the plans for this building" bellowed lord Cayan. Both Wardens denied having any knowledge of the plans for the erection of this fine edifice, perfect in all it's parts and honorable to the builder. "DID YOU APPROVE THIS TWISTING TOWER" Cayan bellowed to Hiram Amiif. ABSOLUTELY NOT! Retorted Amiif.

Lord Cayan asked the young apprentice for the plans he was working to which he presented to Lord Cayan. Cayan held the twisted plans and tried it with his set square, immediately noticing that the plans were neither plumb nor square. He asked the apprentice where he got the distorted plans from which was answered "from the rubbish heap". Lord Cayan then began to lay the plans flat for more investigation with his compasses. On doing so he noticed his own mark of approval upon the plans and immediately recognised his beloved tower.

Enraged that his plans had been twisted and heaved over into the rubbish heap, he grabbed the nearest maul and struck Hiram on the head 3 times nearly killing him. While Hiram lay motionless on the ground, he turned to the wardens and pointed to the building they had been working on, albeit in a lacklustre manner. "What is that monstrosity" demanded Lord Cayan. The Wardens then told the truth how they had been sent to find the lost plans and ended up throwing something together themselves in a couple of minutes under the only external light they had, that of the single lighted Torch.

Lord Cayan turned to the young apprentice and said, "YOU'RE HIRED!":) So impressed was he of the twisting building crafted from the young apprentices own hard toil and based on Lord Cayans own approved plans, that he gave him the honor of the name CAYAN to reflect his superior status over the hoodlams that he has yet to Select a name for and that had been wasting their efforts on a structure fashioned on a Torch and notable only for its height.

The twisting building was admired by lord Cayan as it was sybolic of the winding stair which leads to those great mansions in the sky where God himself resides. He also explained to the young apprentice the secret of the 2 pillars at the entrance. These were the immovable Jewels and would always be visible to people of great knowledge so that they can moralise upon them.

End of Chapter 3.

Al, I must have too much time on my hands.:lol: but mind you it's -4C outside here. Not much else to do but watch telly:ohno:

agod

December 1st, 2009, 01:52 AM

Ha, Ha, Ha, do you know people on this Forum will think we are barking, only the Son of Widows's will be enlightend...........in fact with the heat being so hot,It's 24 here, I have the West facing Marinsonicape entrance opened, (as the tyler has gone for his tea) and can hear and see, your fellow craftsmen, working dilengently on the twisty tower.............consider only that distant luminary of light that shines in the East, known as the Torch, one day when it gets its ice cream cone topping. with a flake. (or mars Bar).

Alan

thetorch

December 1st, 2009, 02:42 AM

Dear Torch.

To read the full writings of Hiram Amiff, you must first belong to a club, No not stringfellows, a society so secret, that only TB and I have read his writings....

Al.

Ahh, "the club", do enjoy it, and its secrecy.

Sounds similar to "the world" not being invited to the true extent of this thing in Dubai they call the "mountain of debt". No!, not a thing that rises from the ground and appears in some way to touch the clouds .... a set of figures so secret, that only the great leaders of his world are privy, and not even your midly secret club would have doors open to this level of secrecy. This is secrecy on a much more secret level :)

I still think a paperback would be much more useful at this secrecy level.

Torch, The

PS: Printing all these chapters out on A4 simply won't fit on my balcony.

thetorch

December 1st, 2009, 02:54 AM

How many floors left to top out?

Not yet decided upon - though "the club of secrecy" may know if you ask them kindly. Will probably come out in chapter 11.

agod

December 1st, 2009, 03:18 AM

Ahh, "the club", do enjoy it, and its secrecy.

Sounds similar to "the world" not being invited to the true extent of this thing in Dubai they call the "mountain of debt". No!, not a thing that rises from the ground and appears in some way to touch the clouds .... a set of figures so secret, that only the great leaders of his world are privy, and not even your midly secret club would have doors open to this level of secrecy. This is secrecy on a much more secret level :)

I still think a paperback would be much more useful at this secrecy level.

Torch, The

PS: Printing all these chapters out on A4 simply won't fit on my balcony.

Blame TB, he is going on a bit.

Okay, just for you in paperback, but I think you are way of track, in time others on this great universe, will reconise these teachings, and join us.

By the way is the Mountain of Debt, like the Wine Lake, or butter mountain? :lol:

MANUTD

December 1st, 2009, 07:25 AM

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Thanks Sale
Clearest it's been yet
--it was a brilliant view of The World from there today
--lets hope they build on it
-- i think they will personally
- Abu Dhabi (Aldar) will be in charge of that project soon

Imre

December 1st, 2009, 07:30 AM

arfie

December 1st, 2009, 08:31 AM

I guess the chances of anything getting built on the plot in front of Torch is getting remote daily. So something to cheer about for marina facing unit owners.

MANUTD

December 1st, 2009, 11:20 AM

The best part of the PJ will be blocked by the Princess and dont forget Elite Residence also coming up.

You should swap your unit into the Princess Tower or Ocean Heights they will have the best view:)

That's made me feel better thankyou IMRE !! :ohno::ohno:
if you hear of swap let me know :lol:

High Times

December 1st, 2009, 11:58 AM

I guess the chances of anything getting built on the plot in front of Torch is getting remote daily. So something to cheer about for marina facing unit owners.

Mohammed Ali Allabar (CEO of Emaar) the Marina master developer, was recently quoted as saying he would like to see currently unused land plots in the Marina and downtown area to be made public green open spaces to encourage more Europeans to want to live in these areas.

True Blue

December 1st, 2009, 12:43 PM

^^:nuts::lol:

They can't even finish the existing public green open spaces let alone work on the unused plots.

The open air theatre in front of The Jewels has still not started despite releasing the drawings to community members.

Imre

December 1st, 2009, 05:11 PM

That's made me feel better thankyou IMRE !! :ohno::ohno:
if you hear of swap let me know :lol:

You should ask High Times , maybe he wants to change:)

Mistermark

December 1st, 2009, 07:58 PM

Mohammed Ali Allabar (CEO of Emaar) the Marina master developer, was recently quoted as saying he would like to see currently unused land plots in the Marina and downtown area to be made public green open spaces to encourage more Europeans to want to live in these areas.

Superb. Let's hope he gets his way. Even better would be some low-rise retail units on the ground floor, maybe smart restaurants/cafes overlooking the landscaped area and marina. Ideally with room service for the residents of the adjacent supertalls :)

Dubai_Steve

December 1st, 2009, 09:40 PM

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I think Dubai can do a lot better than this above :)

Imre

December 1st, 2009, 11:48 PM

01/December/2009

The Torch

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charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:19 AM

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charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:30 AM

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Taken yesterday from about 76th floor 3 bed appt.

charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:34 AM

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charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:36 AM

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charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:38 AM

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charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:40 AM

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charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:43 AM

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charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:45 AM

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charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:47 AM

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charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:49 AM

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charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:51 AM

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charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:55 AM

Sheltie

December 2nd, 2009, 09:31 AM

Great photos. Did you get into any of the lower apartments which are fitted? Maybe they won't let you in for safety reasons (flying objects!!)

charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 09:56 AM

Great photos. Did you get into any of the lower apartments which are fitted? Maybe they won't let you in for safety reasons (flying objects!!)

No. Closed shop. We never got to see any interiors. But still, thanks to Matthew for allowing us up the top.

Caoi1971

December 2nd, 2009, 11:14 AM

Salutations all !!! Do any of you know what a reasonable sale price would be today for a 2 bed Marina facing 60+ floor ?

jeffers

December 2nd, 2009, 01:18 PM

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Taken from the 1 bed that fits between the 2 corner 3 beds on about 76th floor, amazing views. Soon The Infinity will be above The GH and look stunning from this appt.

CBP, well done on the pics mate, much appreciated. Can I ask, the 3 beds did you get a feel for the otherall size, and size of the balcony, I know its kind of hard as the internal walls are not done yet, but thought I'd ask as it will be fresh in your mind. cheers

charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 01:32 PM

J I dont know the size of the 3 beds probably 1700 to 1800 hard to tell as one big space. The balconies were real small. My favorite 2 are the 2 you see from the GH and the 1 bed between them would be a great buy. The view up there is amazing I do hope you get a much better finish than we did.

agod

December 2nd, 2009, 04:16 PM

Nice photos CBP, I am on the 43rd floor, so will get some kind of view, they should turn that plot in front of the torch into a car park, if you are in town, the traffic is backing up again getting into JBR walk, it was great last night, thousands of people enjoying themselves, and all the cars painted in UAE colours, even a couple of lovely rollers, thank God they didn't paint them..............I am off there again now............Whats that about no one in town, and Dubai in trouble.

ALan

Dubai_Steve

December 2nd, 2009, 08:13 PM

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MANUTD

December 2nd, 2009, 08:25 PM

charlie big potatoes

December 2nd, 2009, 10:01 PM

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Imre

December 4th, 2009, 11:18 AM

04/December/2009

The Torch

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Imre

December 4th, 2009, 11:21 AM

04/December/2009

The Torch

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True Blue

December 4th, 2009, 02:20 PM

Progress on the frame has been good over the last couple of months,

Seems to me that the delay at floor 77 was down to waiting on temporary works design for the falsework supports to the overhangs and needing to wait minimum 28 days for the concrete to obtain its full strength. This being necessary to carry the extra weight of all those steels.

Gorilla

December 4th, 2009, 02:25 PM

is this the last residential floor they are pouring?

The Engineer

December 4th, 2009, 09:27 PM

04/December/2009

The Torch

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Look at the front concrete wall/column. Looks like they had a really hard time putting the formwork on the right position. It isn't a straight line up.

^^ looks like the last floor looking at the rebar coming out of the columns. There will be a smaller one on top of it.

True Blue

December 4th, 2009, 09:49 PM

^^Yeah, the joints between floors and columns are pretty shocking. They don't even make an effort to rub them up after they strike the formwork. I watched Arabtec taking down wall shutters and the concrete finishers were straight in there rubbing up all the fins, blow holes and voids. It just highlights the fact that they have no inspectors or quality assurance to worry about here.

I still think they have 2 floors to go, the starter bars on the columns does not really tell you anything cos they will just splice on to what you can see sticking up.

High Times

December 4th, 2009, 10:05 PM

Yeah the quality of the water they are using to mix the concreate is shocking too. I'm surprised the whole building doesn't just collapse.

I wish they would use Evian like Cayan do.

True Blue

December 4th, 2009, 10:48 PM

^^Early days:lol:

Arabtec actually use iced water:D TRUE!

Anyone know why that floor has no blockwork in the last pic? Brickie had a duvet day or is it a special apartment:dunno:

arfie

December 5th, 2009, 12:58 AM

^^Early days:lol:

Arabtec actually use iced water:D TRUE!

Anyone know why that floor has no blockwork in the last pic? Brickie had a duvet day or is it a special apartment:dunno:

TB- what is the lifetime of a building built to this quality ?

True Blue

December 5th, 2009, 01:28 AM

I think we covered this question a few times before.

It is dependant on so many variables. The building should last 100 years under normal circumstances. If properly maintained it will last for generations.

There are over load situations that can occur and reduce the life of a building or even end it. Limit states can be caused by severe storms, explosions, or other natural and un natural events. This applies to all buildings. Design codes allow a factor to compensate for bad workmanship but it has to be monitored and controlled within reasonable margins.

The client will normally employ a resident engineer or project management team to monitor quality. Don't know the set up here but I know RMJM have onsite inspectors at Silverene and as far as I know Projacs were looking after Infinity.

Psofos

December 5th, 2009, 06:15 PM

Dubai_Steve

December 5th, 2009, 08:06 PM

^^ Of course they will last 100 years+ with proper maintenance.

High Times

December 5th, 2009, 08:43 PM

^^ Of course they will last 100 years+ with proper maintenance.

Thank the heavens for that.

I was just about to start worrying about my unborn grandchildrens problems as well as my own. I wonder what the price of a kebab will be in 100 years time ?

Dubai_Steve

December 5th, 2009, 08:57 PM

kebabs will be free of charge in 100 years time :) nano tech will create all the food you want for free in a special microwave like machine.

jeffers

December 5th, 2009, 09:16 PM

kebabs will be free of charge in 100 years time :) nano tech will create all the food you want for free in a special microwave like machine.

Microwave type machine??? That will be a microwave then !!! Ping, oh got to go, dinner is ready...

charlie big potatoes

December 6th, 2009, 02:49 PM

Can someone please post a floorplan of the 70ish showing the full marina view 1 bed. Is there 6 or 8 passanger lifts in this tower? Thanks

jeffers

December 6th, 2009, 03:31 PM

Can someone please post a floorplan of the 70ish showing the full marina view 1 bed. Is there 6 or 8 passanger lifts in this tower? Thanks

Have a look at this link CBP.

http://www.selectproperty.com/pdf/Torch_Floors_66-73.pdf

mackie1964

December 6th, 2009, 03:32 PM

Can someone please post a floorplan of the 70ish showing the full marina view 1 bed. Is there 6 or 8 passanger lifts in this tower? Thanks

http://www.selectproperty.com/pdf/Torch_Floors_66-73.pdf

Apartments Nos are incorrect :dunno:

Ben44

December 6th, 2009, 07:14 PM

http://www.selectproperty.com/pdf/Torch_Floors_66-73.pdf

Apartments Nos are incorrect :dunno:

Yes I agree the numbers are wrong, has any one asked SP why yet? I also just noticed that the whole layout is different (smaller) between my contract and the brochure, with the additional 1 beds being added to these floors. Shows how much, (little) I have been taking in..

MANUTD

December 6th, 2009, 10:25 PM

MANUTD

December 6th, 2009, 10:32 PM

Yes I agree the numbers are wrong, has any one asked SP why yet? I also just noticed that the whole layout is different (smaller) between my contract and the brochure, with the additional 1 beds being added to these floors. Shows how much, (little) I have been taking in..

Ben --
sorry to disagree but the 1 beds were there all along ?
numbers are wrong though
- thinking of knocking my 3 bed 7701 in to two bed anyone else doing that ?
- I dont think there's much in the rentals value diffrence especially on short terms where i am aiming ,
it will give a cracking aspect when you walk throughthe front door and see the views over the palm
cant wait (oops !probably can when it's finished I have to pay my 60%
- 2 years to save eh ?

What do you think CBP 2 or 3 ?

jeffers

December 6th, 2009, 11:48 PM

Ben --
sorry to disagree but the 1 beds were there all along ?
numbers are wrong though
- thinking of knocking my 3 bed 7701 in to two bed anyone else doing that ?
- I dont think there's much in the rentals value diffrence especially on short terms where i am aiming ,
it will give a cracking aspect when you walk throughthe front door and see the views over the palm
cant wait (oops !probably can when it's finished I have to pay my 60%
- 2 years to save eh ?

What do you think CBP 2 or 3 ?
On the original design the upper floors only housed 4 X 3 beds, one to each corner... then after redesign they added the 1 beds inbetween. The previous floors were considerably smaller than now, so the 3 bed units interior space should still be the same as before, only the interior layout is different. Knocking the wall would create a fantastic lounge space and open up the aspects to both sides as the previous layout was, but would be much larger now.. however knocking it through at the cost of a bedroom... personal preference on how the unit will be used !!! Wonder what consents you would need to do such a thing ??

AltinD

December 7th, 2009, 12:27 AM

8 lifts arent going to cope ==UBORA TOWERS in BB has 27 for 56 floors Grosvenor House has 8 for 43 floors :nuts:

U-BORA is a commercial (offices) tower, Grosvenor is a Hotel ... The Torch is residential.

'Different strokes for different peoples', as they say. ;)

AltinD

December 7th, 2009, 12:27 AM

From Palm Jumeirah (Dec 6th)

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MANUTD

December 8th, 2009, 01:01 AM

On the original design the upper floors only housed 4 X 3 beds, one to each corner... then after redesign they added the 1 beds inbetween. The previous floors were considerably smaller than now, so the 3 bed units interior space should still be the same as before, only the interior layout is different. Knocking the wall would create a fantastic lounge space and open up the aspects to both sides as the previous layout was, but would be much larger now.. however knocking it through at the cost of a bedroom... personal preference on how the unit will be used !!! Wonder what consents you would need to do such a thing ??

Am going to talk to SG on eother guy is doing a 3 bed high up, I want to fill in the Balcony too it frightens the sh#t out of me and would give me another 150 sq ft indoors I think ?

MANUTD

December 8th, 2009, 01:04 AM

U-BORA is a commercial (offices) tower, Grosvenor is a Hotel ... The Torch is residential.

'Different strokes for different peoples', as they say. ;)

Will find out ratio of residential lifts in UBORA -- where are you 234 SALE ?

charlie big potatoes

December 8th, 2009, 01:16 AM

U-BORA is a commercial (offices) tower, Grosvenor is a Hotel ... The Torch is residential.

'Different strokes for different peoples', as they say. ;)

The Point is residential. 188 appts, 3 lifts, often 15 mins wait in the morning.

The Torch, about 650 appts 8 lifts all with 4x the possible distance to travel. They obviously have done the sums. Long walk down if you get bored waiting. I stood on Man utds floor called 77 and there was def a 1 bed in between all corner 3 beds.

Imre

December 8th, 2009, 05:49 AM

Will find out ratio of residential lifts in UBORA -- where are you 234 SALE ?

I think the Ubora will have 6 lifts for the residential part, in 3 section and 2 lifts each.

That would be enough for the 16 residential floors :)

jeffers

December 8th, 2009, 12:47 PM

Am going to talk to SG on eother guy is doing a 3 bed high up, I want to fill in the Balcony too it frightens the sh#t out of me and would give me another 150 sq ft indoors I think ?

There goes the hot tub dream !!! :lol:

jeffers

December 8th, 2009, 12:50 PM

True Blue

December 8th, 2009, 03:06 PM

The Point is residential. 188 appts, 3 lifts, often 15 mins wait in the morning.

The Torch, about 650 appts 8 lifts all with 4x the possible distance to travel. They obviously have done the sums. Long walk down if you get bored waiting. I stood on Man utds floor called 77 and there was def a 1 bed in between all corner 3 beds.

^^Something people sometimes overlook.

For comparison, The Jewels 56 apartments per tower, 3 lifts per tower, average wait 30 seconds. Sometimes I can't be bothered waiting a full 30 seconds and just take the stairs:)

650 apartments is a lot of residences in 1 tower. It will be very interesting when people start moving their furniture in, even if only 50 people are trying to do it per week.

Dubai_Steve

December 8th, 2009, 03:13 PM

Can you imagine everyone in the Burj Dubai moving their furniture in at once. How many apartments in that building?

Imre

December 8th, 2009, 04:49 PM

^^Something people sometimes overlook.

For comparison, The Jewels 56 apartments per tower, 3 lifts per tower, average wait 30 seconds. Sometimes I can't be bothered waiting a full 30 seconds and just take the stairs:)

650 apartments is a lot of residences in 1 tower. It will be very interesting when people start moving their furniture in, even if only 50 people are trying to do it per week.

What about the Dorrabay?

It has nice glass lift like in the Al Fattan Marina Towers :lol:

Imre

December 8th, 2009, 04:52 PM

Can you imagine everyone in the Burj Dubai moving their furniture in at once. How many apartments in that building?

That wont be a problem, Burj Dubai has huge service lifts.

True Blue

December 8th, 2009, 05:11 PM

That wont be a problem, Burj Dubai has huge service lifts.

Don't you mean HUGE service lifts.

I feel a free furniture pack coming on:laugh:

Dubai_Steve

December 8th, 2009, 06:35 PM

Am I right in thinking that the Torch also has 1 oversized lift for furniture etc. So this will be used for deliveries, leaving the other 5 or 6? lifts for people.

Dubai_Steve

December 8th, 2009, 06:39 PM

I feel a free furniture pack coming on:laugh:

Since progress is going well at present, they deserve a mention :)

http://www.selectproperty.com/services/furniture-packs/

charlie big potatoes

December 8th, 2009, 07:58 PM

Don't you mean HUGE service lifts.

I feel a free furniture pack coming on:laugh:

You been warned. Part of the deal is you must keep your free pack a year. After that you can donate it to a labour camp.

Psofos

December 9th, 2009, 12:18 AM

Since progress is going well at present, they deserve a mention :)

http://www.selectproperty.com/services/furniture-packs/

A bit of friendly advice from someone how has spent in excess of £15k on a select property furniture plan. Do not do it. Unless a satisfied customer can recommend their furniture packs, do not risk it. They will deliver the wrong furniture. Some furniture will be delayed, some missing and most of it will be damaged. They are not cheap either! I am saying this from bitter experience!

arfie

December 9th, 2009, 12:31 AM

A bit of friendly advice from someone how has spent in excess of £15k on a select property furniture plan. Do not do it. Unless a satisfied customer can recommend their furniture packs, do not risk it. They will deliver the wrong furniture. Some furniture will be delayed, some missing and most of it will be damaged. They are not cheap either! I am saying this from bitter experience!

I was told you could get quality furniture from Sharjah for half the figure mentioned.

Mistermark

December 9th, 2009, 10:55 AM

Isn't there a huge IKEA in Dubai? If you're just looking to furnish a BTL, I would have thought that'd be the best solution.

AltinD

December 9th, 2009, 11:00 AM

^^ Yes there is, but Sharjah is still a cheaper alternative

Tosh

December 9th, 2009, 12:07 PM

So, any decent ones that you guys recommend in Sharjah?
There must be a higher delivery charge though?

MANUTD

December 9th, 2009, 10:36 PM

^^ Yes there is, but Sharjah is still a cheaper alternative
CHINATOWN Sharjah -- you must take cash though !

agod

December 9th, 2009, 11:55 PM

True Blue

December 10th, 2009, 12:25 AM

^^Humping on trolleys after lunch, not recommended.

Imre

December 10th, 2009, 06:02 AM

I went to Home Center in the MOE, 25% off in the February shopping festival, not luxury, but very good, all the same, I did a bedroom, king size bed, and mattress, two bedside tables, two chest of drawers, mirror, stool, 3 table lamps, all for about 3000 dirhams, they are all set out in mock up rooms, and you can get everything else there as well, towels, linens, cutlery, etc.

Ikea, is ok, for Lunch, but all that humping on trolleys, spend 2000 or more and its free delivery and fitting.

Alan

I think this (Home Center) is the best shop in Dubai for furniture, free delivery,free installation and good prices.I spent 10.000.- Dhs (during the DSF with 25 % discount) and I got everything for my 1 B/r.

I had time so I checked the shops in Karama , Sharjah, Ajman etc.. but I have bought everything there.

The quality is good but if you want better there is a Marina Home,Natuzzi etc .. but the price more expensive.

Ikea was good for Teddys (only 9 dhs) but they are not selling the old Teddy any more and the new one is not as nice :)

Imre

December 10th, 2009, 12:55 PM

10/December/2009

The Torch

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Imre

December 10th, 2009, 12:58 PM

10/December/2009

The Torch

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jeffers

December 10th, 2009, 01:50 PM

Interesting to see the 82nd floor walls/supports are thicker than the others, have we reached the top now and theses are required to support the roof structure ?? Great pics once again Imre !! :)

True Blue

December 10th, 2009, 02:35 PM

^^Yeah but what supports them! That would be like me trying to lift the strongest man in the world while he is lifting a dumb bell.

It doesn't make any sense to me:dunno:

There are some random thicker shear walls further down also. I saw an article on Burj Dubai where they had an out of plumb problem and they corrected it by making the walls thicker to get them back in line. Again don't know for sure if this is the reason so here we go:storm:

True Blue

December 10th, 2009, 02:49 PM

Poolview

December 10th, 2009, 09:00 PM

Great Photos Imre :applause: You are a Star :rock:

The place is not really a hive of activity :ohno:

Dubai_Steve

December 10th, 2009, 09:28 PM

I think this (Home Center) is the best shop in Dubai for furniture, free delivery,free installation and good prices.I spent 10.000.- Dhs (during the DSF with 25 % discount) and I got everything for my 1 B/r.

I had time so I checked the shops in Karama , Sharjah, Ajman etc.. but I have bought everything there.

The quality is good but if you want better there is a Marina Home,Natuzzi etc .. but the price more expensive.

Ikea was good for Teddys (only 9 dhs) but they are not selling the old Teddy any more and the new one is not as nice :)

Is there any point in furnishing for long term rentals? Surely the little bit of extra rent you might get does not pay for the cost, maintenance and insurance of the furniture? :dunno:

noir-dresses

December 10th, 2009, 10:26 PM

Brainstorm.

Just had another thought, it could be that this floor in mainly open plan and they are thickening up this column to resist moment at the node and flexing of the column which would help to reduce the floor deflection. Concrete floors can bounce a lot especially long spans. Permissable is normaly 1/360 of span so 15m span can deflect 43mm and be ok. Stiffening things up would reduce this figure. :)

Im not a expert, but could it be thicker so they can fasten, bolt, screw what ever is going to be above the roof better so it's stronger ?

thetorch

December 10th, 2009, 11:15 PM

Brainstorm.

Just had another thought, it could be that this floor in mainly open plan and they are thickening up this column to resist moment at the node and flexing of the column which would help to reduce the floor deflection. Concrete floors can bounce a lot especially long spans. Permissable is normaly 1/360 of span so 15m span can deflect 43mm and be ok. Stiffening things up would reduce this figure. :)

... or, there is going to be some massive "turning on its head", instead of topping out ceremony soon, so that the strongest bits are at the bottom :banana:

Would be spectacular to watch!!

Thanks as always Imre for the pics. I wonder if the number 75 board landed on someone's head below???

The Torch

thetorch

December 10th, 2009, 11:23 PM

Great Photos Imre :applause: You are a Star :rock:

The place is not really a hive of activity :ohno:

I dunno, there are twice as many workers on site than I have seen this year?

Looks quite promising to me.

The Torch

thetorch

December 10th, 2009, 11:25 PM

Im not a expert, but could it be thicker so they can fasten, bolt, screw what ever is going to be above the roof better so it's stronger ?

May be the extra thickness is to stand the load of the central lift structures???

just a thought - fire on in on how stupid I am.

The Torch

MANUTD

December 10th, 2009, 11:26 PM

Imre

December 11th, 2009, 06:18 AM

Is there any point in furnishing for long term rentals? Surely the little bit of extra rent you might get does not pay for the cost, maintenance and insurance of the furniture? :dunno:

I dont know which is better you should calculate when The Torch ready, with furniture you will get different people.

One of my friend has around 20 apartments in Dubai for rent, all of them fully furnished , he always said with furniture he can get better quality tenants, I dont know its true or not .

Imre

December 11th, 2009, 11:59 AM

11/December/2009

The Torch

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Poolview

December 11th, 2009, 12:45 PM

thetorch;48271335
I dunno, there are twice as many workers on site than I have seen this year?

Looks quite promising to me.

The Torch

Dude can I get a bottle of what ever you are DRINKING because it seems to be Goooood stuff or have you got a loan of some of the others Rose Coloured Glasses :lol::lol: :cheers:

scoobudubai

December 12th, 2009, 01:51 PM

11/December/2009

The Torch

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I notice dark clouds gathering over torchie

amplesou

December 13th, 2009, 11:57 PM

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A picture paints a -------- -------

talks

December 15th, 2009, 11:16 AM

IMRE could you post the graph of Dubai Marina Residental Progress Report.

Completion date of the Torch is now 2011.Is this new info correct or have I been sleeping?

Imre

December 15th, 2009, 11:30 AM

I dont have this graph.

2011 seems ok for the handover.

True Blue

December 15th, 2009, 11:40 AM

IMRE could you post the graph of Dubai Marina Residental Progress Report.

Completion date of the Torch is now 2011.Is this new info correct or have I been sleeping?

Yes Rip Van Winkle, you have been sleeping. Torch unofficial completion has been 2011 since 2 years ago. I guess when Sept 2009 came and went that most people would work this out for themselves.

Of course, I could be wrong as I got The Point wrong by 4 months.;)

Here is the graph;

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=332478&page=73

Mistermark

December 15th, 2009, 07:16 PM

I'd like to see the building completed and apartments handed over by the end of 2010. How likely do we think it is that this will happen?

MANUTD

December 15th, 2009, 08:45 PM

Yes Rip Van Winkle, you have been sleeping. Torch unofficial completion has been 2011 since 2 years ago. I guess when Sept 2009 came and went that most people would work this out for themselves.

Of course, I could be wrong as I got The Point wrong by 4 months.;)

Here is the graph;

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=332478&page=73

The Points finished is it ? Just needs finishing to spec now :lol:

Paya

December 15th, 2009, 09:25 PM

hi.
I own an apartment in the torch and wonder if I should just continue to pay my installment even if projekten is delayed by more than 2 years. I have 15 years of repayment but I do not think that I am ready to continue to pay. I had planned that I would rent out my apartment when it is complete.
what should I do? there is no road or rule. Have I some opportunity to frieze my payments since it is 2 years delay or have i some options? I hope someone answer me?

Psofos

December 15th, 2009, 11:20 PM

The Points finished is it ? Just needs finishing to spec now :lol:

I suppose it depends on the definition of finished! Not all apartments can be occupied. The stair case has gone mouldy, and it is a hazard, the lifts do not always work, the AC is suboptimal, water leaks are a daily occurance, the rubbish chutes do not always work etc etc etc.

Select Group have signed it off as completed so that they can reduce the handover delay financial penalty to the minimum. This has a negative effect on the quality of life of the residents not to mention the hazards within the building that may even endanger life!

Dubai_Steve

December 16th, 2009, 12:40 AM

Yes Rip Van Winkle, you have been sleeping. Torch unofficial completion has been 2011 since 2 years ago. I guess when Sept 2009 came and went that most people would work this out for themselves.

Of course, I could be wrong as I got The Point wrong by 4 months.;)

Here is the graph;

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=332478&page=73

You will be wrong, first handover will be before november 2010 IMHO

True Blue

December 16th, 2009, 01:51 AM

You will be wrong, first handover will be before november 2010 IMHO

If I am wrong i can expect yourself, High Times, Morris marina, NazUK, agod, yousuf27 et al to give me a right good public forum pasting. Then I can sit back and laugh at the endless water leaks, lift failures, power failures and all the other problems that come with a badly done rush job:)

Hearing all about the problems at the Point, the Torch should be good fun with 70 odd floors of mayhem. A building this size needs minimum 3 months comissioning with permanent power connected, to get things working tickety boo. Get that right and there won't be any Boo Hoo:cry:

Morrismarina

December 16th, 2009, 02:52 PM

I know it's only a guesstimate but when do you think handover will occur TB ?? Is there any chance for end of 2010 in your opinion ??

True Blue

December 16th, 2009, 03:08 PM

^^Of course, end of 2010 is still 1 year away.

I am making my assesment based on the fact that every night the Torch is in darkness, whereas Ocean Heights, Silverene and Infinity are lit up like xmas trees. That is why I think they will all finish first.

Imre

December 18th, 2009, 12:13 PM

18/December/2009

The Torch

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Dubai_Steve

December 18th, 2009, 01:20 PM

Why is the developer saying that they will only break even on this project and not make much of a profit. Did they sell the units too cheaply or was it some other reason?

Mistermark

December 18th, 2009, 01:48 PM

Why is the developer saying that they will only break even on this project and not make much of a profit. Did they sell the units too cheaply or was it some other reason?

When did they say this?

jeffers

December 18th, 2009, 01:59 PM

Looks like we now have a double height floor, Observation deck ??

Dubai_Steve

December 18th, 2009, 02:06 PM

When did they say this?

Not sure, think it was either High Times or mackie that posted a message here about this after talking with the developers.

Imre

December 18th, 2009, 02:11 PM

Looks like we now have a double height floor, Observation deck ??

It would be good but I think its just a penthouse .

More pics of The Torch here:

http://imresolt.blogspot.com/2009/12/torch-tower-construction-photosdubai.html

agod

December 18th, 2009, 04:13 PM

If I am wrong i can expect yourself, High Times, Morris marina, NazUK, agod, yousuf27 et al to give me a right good public forum pasting. Then I can sit back and laugh at the endless water leaks, lift failures, power failures and all the other problems that come with a badly done rush job:)

Hearing all about the problems at the Point, the Torch should be good fun with 70 odd floors of mayhem. A building this size needs minimum 3 months comissioning with permanent power connected, to get things working tickety boo. Get that right and there won't be any Boo Hoo:cry:

TB, I wouldn't give you a pasting, perhaps a basting, with some neeps and tatties, on a certain day in January.

If you want endless water leaks, lift failures, power failures and all the other problems that come with a badly done rush job:) you should come to Trident, and also they have stolen our Aquo Centro, the indoor pool and Gym, and squash courts, spa, that they say is theres, and not ours, plus there extortionate connection charges.

So I reckon SG will be a pleasure to deal with, in about this time next year, is my prediction.

Alan

yecabel

December 18th, 2009, 10:42 PM

great pics imre, thank you.

scoobudubai

December 19th, 2009, 12:06 PM

Not sure, think it was either High Times or mackie that posted a message here about this after talking with the developers.

If American construction workers are paid $30 ph, but in Dubai they are paid $1 ph, and considering they are selling the apartments for the same prices, how could they fail to make a profit?

High Times

December 19th, 2009, 12:27 PM

If I am wrong i can expect yourself, High Times, Morris marina, NazUK, agod, yousuf27 et al to give me a right good public forum pasting. Then I can sit back and laugh at the endless water leaks, lift failures, power failures and all the other problems that come with a badly done rush job:)

Hearing all about the problems at the Point, the Torch should be good fun with 70 odd floors of mayhem. A building this size needs minimum 3 months comissioning with permanent power connected, to get things working tickety boo. Get that right and there won't be any Boo Hoo:cry:

I am guessing that handover problems in the Torch will be just as bad as you suffered with your Jewels apartments. It will probably go on for longer due to the number of units and owners involved in the process "simple arithmetic".

It’s all very well taking pleasure in other peoples problems, but just to add balance to your valuable input, readers of your comments should also have a quick skim read of the last 10 pages of the Jewels thread when you guys were taking delivery of your “High Quality” units.

Clearly the quality was questionable, service poor, and end result variable. The majority of owners/investors had lots to complain about. Obviously your loyalty to Cayan was constant throughout, but eventually even you had to concede a failure of delivery on several aspects of the job.

Lets keep it real. :)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=183520&page=23

Saggy_Toad

December 20th, 2009, 02:45 PM

Well I guess we can just about put that crazy year behind us!

Thanks to everyone who has gone to all the trouble of the constant updates (especially Imre) and to those who have kept many of us gripped with the continuing soap opera!

Hope you all have a great Christmas...fingers crossed for a better 2010

MANUTD

December 20th, 2009, 05:55 PM

I am guessing that handover problems in the Torch will be just as bad as you suffered with your Jewels apartments. It will probably go on for longer due to the number of units and owners involved in the process "simple arithmetic".

It’s all very well taking pleasure in other peoples problems, but just to add balance to your valuable input, readers of your comments should also have a quick skim read of the last 10 pages of the Jewels thread when you guys were taking delivery of your “High Quality” units.

Clearly the quality was questionable, service poor, and end result variable. The majority of owners/investors had lots to complain about. Obviously your loyalty to Cayan was constant throughout, but eventually even you had to concede a failure of delivery on several aspects of the job.

Lets keep it real. :)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=183520&page=23

HT -well i'll be pleased if TT is anywhere near The Jewels for finish (it WON'T be !)
-- after The Point i ain't getting too expectant anyways
--god I wish i'd met CAYAN not SELECT GROUP
Think MERCEDES instead of FORD !

merv

December 21st, 2009, 01:41 AM

think u should change football teams ha ha:banana::lol:

:)
merv

MANUTD

December 21st, 2009, 08:18 PM

think u should change football teams ha ha:banana::lol:

:)
merv

Nah minor blip - just think i could have been a Spurs fan :ohno:

tp15

December 21st, 2009, 11:10 PM

HT -well i'll be pleased if TT is anywhere near The Jewels for finish (it WON'T be !)
-- after The Point i ain't getting too expectant anyways
--god I wish i'd met CAYAN not SELECT GROUP
Think MERCEDES instead of FORD !

I concur. I too wish I had never met Select Group and their agents Select Property. Cayan seem a safer bet and from what I heard much more trustworthy!

Psofos

December 21st, 2009, 11:21 PM

I concur. I too wish I had never met Select Group and their agents Select Property. Cayan seem a safer bet and from what I heard much more trustworthy!

Hello TP15. I think we all agree about Select Group. Have you had any ceiling leaks recently at The Point?

Yousuf27

December 22nd, 2009, 02:02 PM

arfie

December 22nd, 2009, 02:05 PM

Bah Humbug - nothing like a bit of doom, gloom, and regret at Christmas. Get over it; - you bought what you bought and you didn't buy it from Cayan! Lets get to the handover before we start whingeing and predicting the debacle which may or may not ensue. Some peoples propensity for negativity is astounding! Happy Christmas!

Totally agree with Yousuf why all the doom and gloom before the development is even handed over. Look on the positive side its not far from complete and progressing well unlike some other developments.

Psofos

December 22nd, 2009, 10:10 PM

Totally agree with Yousuf why all the doom and gloom before the development is even handed over. Look on the positive side its not far from complete and progressing well unlike some other developments.

Upon reflection you are both right. Lets put on a brave face and get into the spirit of Christmas and hope that Select Group do not let us all down again!
Merry Christmas and best wishes.
Psofos.

tp15

December 22nd, 2009, 10:25 PM

Upon reflection you are both right. Lets put on a brave face and get into the spirit of Christmas and hope that Select Group do not let us all down again!
Merry Christmas and best wishes.
Psofos.

Hello Psofos. Yousuf27 and Arfie are right. I understand your frustration and as a Torch investor, also share you fears! It is almost christmas so lets get into the christmas spirit. To answer your question, I do not know if we have had any recent leaks. I am now in the UK and I assume all is ok at The Point. Fingers crossed and Merry Christmas.

yecabel

December 23rd, 2009, 02:03 PM

merry christmas and a happy 2010 to you all.
in particular to imre, no.1 hero of skyscrapercity.com!

Mistermark

December 23rd, 2009, 09:44 PM

merry christmas and a happy 2010 to you all.
in particular to imre, no.1 hero of skyscrapercity.com!

I agree. Imre does a lot to help those of us who've bought property in Dubai but don't live there, with his excellent quality, timely construction updates.

MANUTD

December 23rd, 2009, 11:54 PM

merry christmas and a happy 2010 to you all.
in particular to imre, no.1 hero of skyscrapercity.com!

100% agree --V Happy XMAS IMRE

jeffers

December 24th, 2009, 04:40 PM

Seasons Greeting to All, just think, this time next year, perhaps we will be proud onwners !!!

Imre

December 24th, 2009, 04:56 PM

Many thanks and Merry Christmas to All !

MANUTD

December 24th, 2009, 05:07 PM

Seasons Greeting to All, just think, this time next year, perhaps we will be proud onwners !!!

Dont think I want to be an owner even then !
-- that means I have to pay the 60% balance :ohno: !!

Yousuf27

December 25th, 2009, 12:08 PM

Happy Christmas everyone. Have a great day!

High Times

December 25th, 2009, 02:24 PM

Merry Christmas to all who celebrate.

I think this time next year some of us will have handed over and the rest of us will be in the process of handover.

A whole new set of challanges lay ahead for 2010.

Good luck to all. :cheers:

Imre

December 25th, 2009, 06:42 PM

25/December/2009

The Torch

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Anjam

December 29th, 2009, 07:55 PM

We must be close to the last slab?

Imre

December 30th, 2009, 01:35 PM

We must be close to the last slab?

Yes, I think no more floors , only the roof left.

Imre

December 30th, 2009, 01:39 PM

Happy New Year for Everyone here , probably my last pics of The Torch in 2009 coming soon :)

Imre

December 30th, 2009, 01:39 PM

30/December/2009

The Torch

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http://i50.tinypic.com/fxrlaa.jpg

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http://i50.tinypic.com/24p9vls.jpg

Imre

December 30th, 2009, 01:43 PM

30/December/2009

The Torch

http://i45.tinypic.com/11gpn6d.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/ff6aur.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/107rk7t.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/1jkfaf.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/b5l9h5.jpg

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Anjam

December 30th, 2009, 04:49 PM

Imre many thanks for these updates and for all the others throught out 2009, have a great new year and look forward to more updates in 2010.

scoobudubai

December 30th, 2009, 05:37 PM

I would like to donate our Torch Apartment to charity. Are there any issues in doing so?
Does anyone know the procedure?

Poolview

December 30th, 2009, 09:34 PM

Imre I would like to thank you for all your pictures which kept me Informed on how the Torch has Progressed this year & look forward to see how it will progress next year. I would like to wish you & all the other people on this forum a very HAPPY NEW YEAR & may all your gambles come good for 2010

Kind Regards
Poolview

foxy

December 31st, 2009, 03:22 PM

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY
:banana::banana::banana::banana:

detract

January 1st, 2010, 01:45 AM

I for one are extremely thankful to Imre for his updates. For buyers who dont live in Dubai getting his updates are a lifeline for us. Without his generosity this forum would be a shadow of itself. Thank you Imre and Happy New Year!! Lets hope 2010 we see many completions and general improvement in the property market.

Imre

January 1st, 2010, 06:49 AM

jeetha

January 1st, 2010, 11:41 AM

Thanks Imre for all those good pictures of overall Dubai.

Everyone is so appreciative for your pictures.

Even my family members know of you Imre. Your pictures are often discussed, every time we talk Dubai.:banana:

Happy 2010 to you IMRE

& all SSC members.

Diaz08

January 1st, 2010, 01:03 PM

Keep the photos coming in 2010 - you do a brilliant job Imre!
Happy New Year to all:)

TMZ

January 1st, 2010, 07:55 PM

everyone excepts bribes in dubai, just depends if u have to give them 20 dhs or 200 dhms, all depends on the person being bribed, and i doubt even with that they will let u take pictures because if unauthorized pictures surface and developer finds out it was taken in plot site than first thing would be to go after security

invester

January 4th, 2010, 02:07 AM

Oh sorry guys happy new year!!

jsmith6

January 4th, 2010, 07:18 AM

Happy New Year for All!

I am taking photos everywhere if its easy , I went to the Dubai Sports City many times , security was there and said no pics inside, after I sent few emails to them but they have never answered and after I gave up.(Same reason the Jumeirah Village,Jumeirah Park etc.. )

Just have a look the Dubai Silicon Oasis or Tecom areas, every 3-6 months I am going there , open area without security or anything so its easy.

If I am going to the DSO I always see the DSC , do you know how many times I tried...sometimes I took pics from outside but later just left because the quality was not good.

Still many place in Dubai where I can take photos without problems,idiots securities and it has nothing about my investments because for e.g. I have nothing in The Torch.

If I would take pics just of my investments you will see pics of the Goldcrest,Zumurud and Ubora only, nothing else. :)

Imre, thanks much for all of your great pictures. If you want to keep taking pictures, I hope you do indeed continue taking them and posting them here; but only if you want to. Most of us understand that what you do is a labor of love, and you graciously share your work with us. I and most of us are very grateful for that.

There are some, however, who seem to think that you are their personal employee. Please ignore them and do not become upset by their rudeness and ignorance. Of course you will not feel any insult from them as they clearly have little grasp of the reality of the situation. I do hope you realize that the rest of us are extremely grateful for your work, and we hope that the rudeness of a couple will not cause you to quite the tremendous work you are doing, even if I would understand it if you did.

Best regards,

James