Exciting, a big mega project, as in a super tall tower or more than that?

If it's supertall I hope for once it's in another part of the marina

no more supertalls in marina! for gods sake there wont be any daylight on the gound level...

how about some supertalls in other areas like tecom or media city... no more for marina please!

he says it is going to be in the marina.

and so, it must be in the tallest block.

i still don't get why Emaar is doing this, but i don't think it is too bad.

that won't be the area to walk anyway.

i know it's ridiculous... I'd like to see the supertalls spread out all over not just one stupid block.. can u imagine the traffic during peak hours? Also this seems to take a whole new definition for "zoning". I thought JBR was bad when it was initially launched but this is worse in my opinion... that's why the lower marina is going to be such a relief... at least the residents there will have some open space to breathe!

i know it's ridiculous... I'd like to see the supertalls spread out all over not just one stupid block.. can u imagine the traffic during peak hours? Also this seems to take a whole new definition for "zoning". I thought JBR was bad when it was initially launched but this is worse in my opinion... that's why the lower marina is going to be such a relief... at least the residents there will have some open space to breathe!
Who said anything about DS launching another supertall?:dunno:

I don't know but when I walked the site for taking updates, all those tall scrapers and their shadows were a releif.

Having shadows on ground level, will increase the pedestrian activity in the aerea.

Well no one someone mentioned BIG MEGA PROJECT and being a skyscraper froum we take that to mean Supertall.

They might just have another few The point sized towers guys....so lets stop speculating.

Well no one someone mentioned BIG MEGA PROJECT and being a skyscraper froum we take that to mean Supertall.

They might just have another few The point sized towers guys....so lets stop speculating.
I doubt very much it will be another supertall.

I actually think the superblock might not be too bad, unless every single plot is filled up with another supertower. The thing about JBR that makes it look too dense is that not only are they tall and close together but are also really fat making the whole thing seem like a wall of concrete.

I have a feeling a lot of the towers in the upper marina will end up really thin like rose rotana.

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/4243/marina8yd.jpg

I dont think its a supertall tower and also I think it will be on the other end of the marina. Could be something very different!!

^^ Yes sounds more like an entertainment / restaurant / office complex or maybe a hotel or similar rather than another tower. Is there any space available for a big project in the marina? Another idea would be to have some expensive villas maybe?

i doubt emaar would allow any other developer such a project.

i guess it is sth in the point range..

;)

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8539/torchinside7cr.jpg

:drool: lol

:lol: Nice one malec. Great view of Infinity tower from there!

:drool: lol
Well, this is more like the view you'll have :D

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3782/torchinside5bw.jpg

^^ lol! Oi, but what about my tiny sea-view in between Le-Reve and Princess..do one of that angle please!!!!!

Here is what I get looking from the Torch from the corner balcony from sea view apartments about half way up the tower.

Looking ahead

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Looking right

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ps. Naz that some groovy leather sofas you have there.

View from front Torch balcony on 06 side about half way up, with speculative Emaar tower in front.

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And another if lower down

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And finally view from 05 side

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Fabulous Render guys. :grouphug: :grouphug: :)
It is shaping up nicely.

Thanks Steve!

Thanks Steve!

You will get a view of the Trump tower you lucky lttle devil:

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And Mr. Trump will get a view of Naz:

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But unfortunately Posh and Becks will not be able to see you:

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Well, this is more like the view you'll have :D

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Man that made me laugh so hard... :lol: :rofl:

^^ At my expense!!! Actually, I laughed my arse off too!!! :lol:

steve, what about 06 view from the higher floors? any chance for a 3d?

steve, what about 06 view from the higher floors? any chance for a 3d?

From higher up the view is good and you will probably get to see people swim on their rooftop pool. (3/4 of way up here, note emaar tower in front is same height, did'nt save it so just did a different roof)

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Hi Forum

I Posted a while back but been out of it since then now i'm back. Good to see lots going since then.

Could some one please post a veiw from 02 side half way up as that is where i am and most of the discussion is focused marina and sea side.

Cheers all

keep up the good posting

:scouserd:

the Torch is an absoluteley beautiful Tower, i love it.

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20/06/06: Fabrication of steel cages

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24/06/06: Working Pile Test Erection for dia. 750 mm pile

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01/07/06: Installation of the Measuring units for the load test

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04/07/06: Overall view of the site

Construction Diary
14-07-06 - Main piles, 1200mm (30%) complete
14-07-06 - Main piles, 750mm (40%) complete
05-07-06 - Working Pile load test, 750 mm complete
30-06-06 - Anchor stressing, 2nd layer (92%) complete
24-06-06 - Anchor stressing, 1st layer complete
16-06-06 - 2nd layer anchoring complete
14-06-06 - Anchor stressing, 2nd layer commenced
11-06-06 - Anchor stressing, 1st layer commenced

nice updates.. although a bit old now? Again.. I hope this one starts to rise by December

^^ You sure (you being an American) you're not reading the dates wrong? The last picture was taken on 4th July - and the construction diary's last entry is 14th July. So not really that old!

He can't read anything above 12 the wrong way round but i'm sure your right there Naz.

The first two are from June.. sorry didnt see the dates on the last two... and yes reading dates can get confusing at times!

Could some one please post a veiw from 02 side half way up as that is where i am and most of the discussion is focused marina and sea side.


Something along these lines for 02 view I imagine. (sorry best I could do)

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Possibly this view of the palm if looking left (although not sure if you can look this far left from 02 ?)

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Was advised today by Dubai Select that piling will be finished by end of summer, gotta wait and see I guess... They did say everything was on track.

looking good

Dubai Select have started marketing the Torch apartments on a Timeshare basis. Any views?

Seems to me like a good option for those who are not able to buy their own place. Also great in that the 2 weeks per year you are able to spend in the property can be used anywhere in the world rather than Dubai.

Also a good option for those who will be travelling to Dubai every year but are letting out their place long term. At least you get a return on the property rather than losing it on hotel expenses...

^^ It's not timeshare, its fractional owernership, there are quite distinct differences which I'm not gona go into here, but just Google it if you wana know more. Already discussed a couple of pages ago, but it's a great idea for ppl who want to dip their toes in the water and not commit a substantial sum on an apartment outright.

freehold law have been passed with plot numbers, any confirmation that the torch is a 100% for sure freehold?

dubai marina is 100% freehold

spectorch Thank you Duabi Steve,

Allthough not the best view it does reconfirm my original thoughts of what the veiw would look like.

It looks like it will be possible to see the palm from the balcony or the second bedroom but not from the living room i supose.

Any way veiws apart here is a picture of a mood board. Samples of matierials proposed to be used for the interior finishing for the hard furnishings. There not bad I have to say.

Also the more i look at the new design of the torch the more i like it. The podium looks twice as good as before and the towers new slim look makes you focus more on the flame feature at the top. It actually looks more like a flaming torch. Any thoughts from any one else ?

hello to all,
anybody could post the view from upper floors apts 05? i woulb be very grateful.

i do agree with morrismarina, i am starting to like the new render, just hope that they wont stick a super-tall in front.

i spoke to DS today and they confirmed that contruction is going according to plans, no delay have been reported.

Hello everyone, I've been following this forum for a few months now and I think it is just fantastic, all sorts of interesting comments are made both good and bad! These latest impressions are amazing, and really you guys have done a great job. Again hi to everyone and nice to meet you all.

Can any of you help me, I am curious as to why the view angle towards The Palm is greater than expected, is there a wider than usual gap somewhere between the beachfront supertalls which allows this?

Also, does anyone have an impression of what the view experience might be like from the back of the balcony that is packaged with apartment 1612? I'm curious simply because the wonderfully large 13sqm balconies with views to the front left and right + room for a barbeque that DS were selling have gone up in smoke. As we all know these balconies are now a miserable 3.7 sqm with room for maybe just one or 2 chairs, with views to the left and right blocked by big construction walls, but guys, maybe not all is lost?

On a somehat sorrowful note, and sorry to ask this guys, does anyone know why people like veezee scooby and yabadaboo whose contributions were invaluable and who originated some very informative postings have been cruelly banished at the behest of a few?

Hello everyone, I've been following this forum for a few months now and I think it is just fantastic, all sorts of interesting comments are made both good and bad! These latest impressions are amazing, and really you guys have done a great job. Again hi to everyone and nice to meet you all.

Can any of you help me, I am curious as to why the view angle towards The Palm is greater than expected, is there a wider than usual gap somewhere between the beachfront supertalls which allows this?

Also, does anyone have an impression of what the view experience might be like from the back of the balcony that is packaged with apartment 1612? I'm curious simply because the wonderfully large 13sqm balconies with views to the front left and right + room for a barbeque that DS were selling have gone up in smoke. As we all know these balconies are now a miserable 3.7 sqm with room for maybe just one or 2 chairs, with views to the left and right blocked by big construction walls, but guys, maybe not all is lost?

On a somehat sorrowful note, and sorry to ask this guys, does anyone know why people like veezee scooby and yabadaboo whose contributions were invaluable and who originated some very informative postings have been cruelly banished at the behest of a few?


Scooby, that is absolutely pathetic.
I hope DS take legal action against you for constantly bad-mouthing them.

Updated site pics by Imre - 21/07/06

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I wanna see some piles now :sleepy:

Didn't you just get treated by the doctor? :rofl: :jk:

Piling is imminent. Hopefully, next update!

like Dubai-boomtown/Stephen would say

RISE RISE YOU BEAUTIFUL TOWER!! http://killebien.free.fr/gif/daz.gif http://killebien.free.fr/gif/dju-jitsu.gif http://killebien.free.fr/gif/sugizo.gif

It's like a delicious sponge cake, Krazy, you start with the basic ingredients, you carefully add the correct amounts in order and make sure you don't rush it...then eventually, you watch your beautiful cake rise...and then you eat it..erm...and feel sick...anyway..... (there's an analogy in there somewhere!:lol:) )

comon krazy lets get back to Torch forum

Cheers for the latest pics Naz. :) :)

carpetking i think we already are in the torch forum. http://killebien.free.fr/gif/yo_kick03.gif

Cheers for the latest pics Naz. :) :)
All credit goes to Imre, Morris, I just transfered them. :D

Many thanks then Imre :banana2: :banana2: :banana2: :banana2: :banana2:

over 500 posts, new part :)

I've been looking closely at the new render and at the very top just under where the LCD screen should be there appears to be two rows of small windows. Looks like two rows would be about the height of one floor and I'm only guessing but this could well be the residents' observation area. I did hear some time ago that an observation area was to be incorporated into the top of the tower - does any body know if this is still going ahead and whether these two rows of windows will be it :?

http://realestate.theemiratesnetwork.com/developments/dubai/images/the_torch_logo.jpg

Here is the new thread about the SKYSCRAPER The Torch:


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New render by NEB:------------------Old render by K&A

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The Torch, also referred to as the Marina Torch and Dubai Torch, is being built as one of the many freehold residential towers located at the Dubai Marina, which is opposite to the Jumeirah Lake Towers and next to the American University of Dubai. It is located on the same side of the marina as the Dubai Marina Towers and just two buildings away.

The ~345 meter (1,132 feet) high building will have a total built up area of 111,832 square meters (1.2 million square feet) and be elevated by 3 basements and a 4-storey podium block. The Torch tower will have 74 storeys and contain 658 apartment units.

The three basements and four podium levels of the Torch tower will provide car parking for 536 vehicles, while floors 5 and 6 will contain recreational amenities including a swimming pool, health club, gymnasium, cafeteria, aerobic rooms and sit-out cover seal terraces.

Expected Completion Date - In 2008
Real Estate Developer - Dubai Select Property
Location - Dubai Marina, Dubai, United Arab Emirates

Updated site pics by Imre - 21/07/06

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Construction Diary
14-07-06 - Main piles, 1200mm (30%) complete
14-07-06 - Main piles, 750mm (40%) complete
05-07-06 - Working Pile load test, 750 mm complete
30-06-06 - Anchor stressing, 2nd layer (92%) complete
24-06-06 - Anchor stressing, 1st layer complete
16-06-06 - 2nd layer anchoring complete
14-06-06 - Anchor stressing, 2nd layer commenced
11-06-06 - Anchor stressing, 1st layer commenced


AND here is the INVESTORS THREAD:

Discuss your apts curtain's colour here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=321509)

Since the old one went into bullshit i thought i open the new one now...

Link to old thread:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=345809&page=1&pp=25

----------close thread please:

post HERE now: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=376633

:bash: :rant:

could anyone edit the title and insert an U and N ;)

lol yeah im wonder wtf the title is meant to say

and oh look, i can see naz waving from the window lol

Just to bring things up to speed, the final height of this tower is yet to be decided, the reason for this being that the Display at the top is not yet finalised, it could be LCD, or some other type...and its final height therefore is yet undecided. Also, the final apartment count after alterations is now 658.

up from 504 apts :eek:

that would add another 75+ metres....correct me if im wrong

that would add another 75+ metres....correct me if im wrong

Might it also be an option to make the apartments smaller (sic Balconies) if height becomes a contraint?

to all, has been now more than 6 months that DS has announced a total of 658apts.
infact, if you look at the description message of this thread you will notice that also there the number of apartments is 658.

that would add another 75+ metres....correct me if im wrong

redesigned basement levels, smaller apartments, changed layouts, other/less M levels.

no height increase caused by the additional apartments,at least not from what we know.

Just so there's no confusion, the extra apartments are gained from a)The conversion of service levels into residential floors (due to adoption of district cooling) and b)The conversion of the higher floors from penthouses into 1-bed apts. No apartments have gotten smaller. In actual fact, some have increased in size by as much as 10%. You lucky bastards :cough: Morris :cough: know who you are! :happy:

Cheers Naz I nearly forgot about that. Yes my apartment is nearly 10% bigger, has a much better layout and has gained a powder room (ie. a half bathroom) and a separate dressing area for the bedroom. AND I'm 6 floors higher up. All this for no extra cost to me whatsoever. (And there's no change to the size of my balcony it's still the same great size it was before).
DubaiSelect are absolutely fxxkin' superb in my opinion.
Again....many thanks for reminding me Naz. :) :)

This is getting pretty common in dubai, least we are getting one over the developers for once......

what is the latest on the plot in front of The Torch ?

It's only a matter of time before something is announced, but for the time-being, Emaar are being very tight-lipped about this.

Given the premium positioning of these plots, I really hope Emaar does them justice by putting something special there as opposed to some bland serviced apartments.

i would be nice if the lots would be used for a park!

I too think that the location is ideal for some kind of recreational facility, park or leisure centre. Whether Emaar in their infinite wisdom share our concerns is another matter altogether. Let's just hope they see sense (or better still, see this forum!! :D)

I lick the torch. New one is strong and bold. But not as luxury as Marinascape I think ? My family want very luxury tower ?

Welcome Svetlana! The most luxurious tower in the marina is probably the Trident Grand (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=223215) and then MarinaScape, but they are VERY expensive and probably all sold out now. I think the Torch is a good compromise and should also have very nice interiors. Also the Torch has one of the best locations in the Marina. Maybe we can be neighbours soon :grouphug:

this project was advertised in Sydney weekend paper recently. saying how you can buy units for $305K. looked great .
The article mentioned how Dubai is fastest growing city in world and city is virtually crime free! would this be right?

Welcome Svetlana! The most luxurious tower in the marina is probably the Trident Grand (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=223215) and then MarinaScape, but they are VERY expensive and probably all sold out now. I think the Torch is a good compromise and should also have very nice interiors. Also the Torch has one of the best locations in the Marina. Maybe we can be neighbours soon :grouphug:
Actually, the most luxurious tower in the Marina is Le Reve. :D

richard deffinatly fastest growing interms of popouation (8%p/a) and crime is relativly scarse but it does happen

well, it could be right from one point or another...the city is pretty safe, maybe safer than any other city in the world, but its not crime free...for the simple reason that there are freaks everywhere...so things happen...but not as much as anywhere else... and about the fastest growing city... i would agreee...buildings are being built with the speed of light and most importantly, not just any buildings, but towers with style. The projects are just apealing to everyone and honestly, i just hope that one day I can too get a penthouse somewhere in those new projects...or maybe, i'll be most happy if its in the rotating residence, but thats off topic... so yeah, you've heard right, my friend :D

oh yeah, LE REVE is deffinately an amazing place to live in... you are right Naz.

04.08.2006 By Imre

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Thanks again for the updates Imre! :D

piling has started! great news

maybe it's time for this one to have its own thread in the world construction updates forum... anyone?

great pics! thanks.

maybe it's time for this one to have its own thread in the world construction updates forum... anyone?

I will do it!!

We thinking about buying in Torch now. There is no tennis court but it has a comedy club I think, Dr Naz. so I tell my family it will be fun to live here. :lol:

Mrs. Naz better watch out ;)

^^ Hmmm true. However, upon asking her, I found out that psychopathic, mentally disturbed ex-forum trolls were very very low on her list of attractive qualities in a man. So im gona guess im pretty safe.:D

I go away for 2 months and...

It's only a matter of time before something is announced, but for the time-being, Emaar are being very tight-lipped about this.

Its like i never left... :D

Any more progress pics on this ? I cant see how they can still say to customers this will be complete in June 2008! Seems very unlikely to me!

Maybe they have a 2-floor jumpform like Princess??

so the unnamed twin towers might be on the plot in front?

so the unnamed twin towers might be on the plot in front?

Yes, this seems about 70% likely at the moment. How can we find out more about this tower ?

http://www.strategiy.com/news/20060723113234/Marina-tower2.JPG

I always thought the Torch looked like a NASA space rocket. That's why I bought into it. Now it looks like a Soviet rocket.

There's some concern that there won't be the LCD display on the top after all - how about a statue of Lenin instead.

Sorry......I know I shouldn't complain as my apartment is bigger following the re-design but I really don't want DS to do away with the LCD.... this is presumably why it was called The Torch in the first place.

18.08.2006 By Imre

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Thanks great photos Imre.

That hole is getting pretty deep now. I did hear somewhere that the re-design increased the underground car parking levels from three to four and I guess this increase would be needed to accomodate the number of new units. Certainly looks like four underground floors going in here. :)

Piling starts end of September. A webcam will be installed in September for owners to watch construction of the Torch in real time !

a real time webcam ?

Thats my dream,i would watch 24 hours :eek:

Piling starts end of September. A webcam will be installed in September for owners to watch construction of the Torch in real time !


Just had a look on the Dubai Select web site customer login updates section. Shows a picture of concreting the foundtion piles in progress since 8th August. So Piling has begun allready. Rise Baby Rise...

25.08.2006 By Imre

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Again: 25.08.2006 By Imre

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dear all,
the last time i checked the forum it appeared that the unknown twin towers would have been built in front of TT. However, after calling DS they have told me that they still have no idea on the matter.
does any of you have more accurate info?
many thanks

if we had any more info, it wud be posted here. have patience.

thanks

03.09.2006 By Imre

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I was down at the Torch site last Wednesday and had a word with one of the workers who was operating the gate giving access to the fenced off site in front of TT. He reckons that there will be 6 towers going up, most about 20 storeys high, very max 30 storeys. Now of course I really don't know how much he really knows but thought it would be worth asking him. :shocked:

Hi All

i'm new here and have spent the last couple of days reading thru the various torch-related threads which have been both very useful and entertaining - thanks NazUK and others;-)

we've bought a 2 bedroom flat in the Torch on the 29th floor, although i guess this will move into the 30s, following the new design allowing for more floors (as was the case for mossismarina?) is this correct?

Also, some months ago, NazUK said that DS were planning to create an area in the members area of their website for people to post to. does anyone know anything more on this? thanks

Hi and welcome Joannides,

There was talk initially of some kind of forum for the many Torch investors on the DS website, but im not sure how far this got... my opinion is that they've got their hands full with other things (watch this space...).

The webcam is a definite however and should be due as Steve has pointed out, as soon as construction begins.

Best thing to do, as I always do, is to contact your Member services rep. for the latest info.

Morris, nice to see you are in Dubai! I was there from 20-23rd August. Stayed at the Emirates Towers. Unfortuntely, I had pics of my visit on my digicam's SD card, which for some bizarre reason totally died on me! (humidity probably)..so have nothing to show... Any how, I revisited the Marina briefly..was very impressed with progress here, and the whole Marina/JBR as a whole. Felt a bit sorry for JLT though! But it all should be good, provided Dubai can keep up the tourism/expat momentum.

Hi Naz
I was in Dubai 26th Aug to 3rd Sept visiting my mate who had his wedding reception in the Burj Al Arab on the Thursday - an amazing hotel simply out of this world (along with the drinks prices !! ).
I took a fair number of Torch photos but as these are the same as Imre has posted not much point using mine.
Marina looking much better than my last visit in January. Had a great curry at the Rupee Rooms at Phase 1.
Also had a trip in the lift to the 50th floor of one of the Al Fattan towers. (Blagged my way in saying I wanted to look at the two apartments up for sale on the 10th & 37th floors). A fantastic view of the marina and also JLT in the background which looks a vast development, I didn't know there were some kind of problems though....is JLT not selling well ???

wow... its like a giant syringe =D

is JLT not selling well ???

The problem is not with the towers.. the problem is due to the over ambitious Nakheel and screwing things up at every step causing constant delays

^^ Correct. Very much in the style of Damac, they seem to be very keen on announcing new developments...whilst it seems with very little concern about delays in current ones. (e.g. JLT, PJ). Nakheel not doing themselves any favours at the moment.

Nice one Morris! Glad to hear you had a good time. I also attended a wedding, but that was in Jeddah, SA.

On a different note, DS's fractional ownership has recently been getting some good press (Scottish Media Group), as it (and one other project on the PJ) apparently signals the beginning of the Middle East's timeshare/fractional ownership era... It's worth mentioning this here I think, coz as many investors who wish to "get in early" to make maximum returns, now is the time for this...as I reckon in 5 years time, there'll be many more of these schemes.

I'm not sure the fractional ownership scheme is all that attractive. If you add up the prices of all the two-week fractions to make one apartment it's something like three times the price of buying it freehold. So why not just buy an apartment outright? If you can't afford it, go for the staged payments (as I'm doing) and if necessary share with a friend. The value is a lot greater.

There are obvious benefits though Mistermark - its for ppl who only want to still benefit from returns on their property investments, but without shelling out for a full apartment. And on top of that, you get to have a 2 week holiday each year (for 25 years) and you can swap your apartment with others destinations around the world...

It's sort of like having a savings account...that's all really. With the added benefit of a free 2 week holiday per yr for the duration.

It's definitely gona prove popular when it takes off big time in the Middle East, there's no doubt about that.

Since penalties for late delivery is such a hot topic at the moment, did anyone manage to get a late delivery clause added before signing contracts ?

There is one already in the Torch contract, beyond a 6 month delay. In other words, if they fail to complete by Dec 31st, 2008, they will pay compensation. That's my understanding of the clause concerned..unless anybody else cares to differ?

Yes seems that you are correct Naz. 1% above LIBOR interest to be paid to buyer on all payments already made (but not on total price of apartment) from 31 Dec 08. So December 08 looks like the more likely completion date for the Torch.

^^ That could really be taken as a given thou..that most (if not all) developments in Dubai complete at least 6 months after stated dates. I've kinda accepted the end of '08 as completion date for TT.

I'd say mid-2009 is more likely. TTorch is still a good bit away from starting to rise, also should take longer than most towers since it's a supertall.
Also we've seen how long it can take when going from a topped out structure to a finished tower.

Emirates Towers (similar height... similar complexity of the roof feature) took about 3 1/2 years to complete (1996-99/2000). I would guess the torch would be a bit slower than emirates towers. So 2009 sounds about right if everything goes well... I would also go with mid/end 2009.

How high is this development above sea level, cant be much

OK, im assuming you're factoring in the relatively time consuming jobs of piling (before construction) and interior fittings (after construction)... but how long do you think the actual construction will take? In other words, when do you reckon TT will top out?

Early 2008 I'd say, what does it matter anyway, what's the use of knowing when the tower is topped out, surely it's more important to know when you're getting your apartment.

Well of course in the end it doesn't matter knowing when it tops out, but my point was trying to establish (based on ur estimates) how long the piling and interior work takes compared to actual construction. It seems that delays are often caused at piling and finishing stages..as opposed to building floors.

Naz, I will bet you the price of a drink that owners of the Torch will not get their keys until 2010….
As for the compensation, if you actually work out what they will give you, it’s peanuts, this clause has more of a symbolic meaning than a financial one.

the actual construction is rarely a problem. we are always talking about a one week/floor circle which every developer has to take into account and which is average.

what causes most of the delay is the switch between contractors, e.g once piling is finished and they start building the structure, and then when the subcontractors for interiors have to start.

oh and of course it usually takes ages until ANYTHING happens at the beginning.

If they'd just do a better job of working on a tower all at once rather than in stages, it wouldn't take so long. A good example of added time is on the Bavaria Executive Suites. Instead starting cladding and interiors while the towers were still rising, they waited till the end to do it, which of course is taking much longer.

Naz, I will bet you the price of a drink...
As for the compensation, if you actually work out what they will give you, it’s peanuts, this clause has more of a symbolic meaning than a financial one.
:rofl: You mean, like the value of your bet? :lol: Oh gawwwd, I like it! LOL.

Going back to the fractional ownership I'm afraid the 2 weeks free holiday won't be what it seems. Especially if it's linked to II (interval international).
Does anybody know how much the management charges will be per week? If it's anything like timeshare I reckon they will charge between £300 - £500 per week. Then when you exchange to another country you have to pay II a fee to do that.
It does seem to be a good idea that you get something back after 15 years though.

Hi Sheltie.....when I enquired DS told me that all costs were included in the purchase price ie. all maintenance and cleaning costs (this is also changing of sheets, cleaning apartment etc.). There will be nothing at all to pay over and above the purchase price. I suggest you contact DS and they will e-mail you all the details. You get ownership for 15 years after which time the apartment is sold and proceeds split between all owners.
It's a great deal for somebody who does not want to commit to the expense of purchasing a property outright and certainly much better than timeshare.

^^ I think we're going overboard now with the investment talk. Please keep in mind this discussion is of no interest to anyone but Torch investors and potential investors.

Sorry about the investment talk and thanks Morrismarina for that info.

Sorry to have to speak about fractional ownership again but I have just spoken to DS and there will be a maintenance charge starting at £590 per year and it will be 12 years of having it instead of 15 as it will only start in 2009.

Won't mention this again, but thought I would warn others that there is hidden costs.

There's no problem at all Saltie in discussing Fractional Ownership. We have a dedicated Investment thread where we can post all the investment stuff. Here's the link

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=368157

I have put my reply on it. :)

Sorry to have to speak about fractional ownership again but I have just spoken to DS and there will be a maintenance charge starting at £590 per year and it will be 12 years of having it instead of 15 as it will only start in 2009.

Won't mention this again, but thought I would warn others that there is hidden costs.

So it looks like the maintenance charge will be paid long befor occupancy then.

Maintenance charges will only be paid when you occupy it which will only be 12 years instead of 15.

Sorry to interupt your lovely investment talk, but just to give an indication re: the current height of tower and "LED" issue... the final height of this tower is still undecided and hinges entirely on what will sit at the very top, i.e. the "LED". Indeed, DS have stipulated that it may not in actual fact be LED technology, as they wait for possible newer designs. The problem with agreeing the use of LED technology now is that it may be "out-dated" in 2 years time, when the tower is complete. They have comfirmed it will be the latest, state-of-the-art light-emitting technology, hence the name will definitely still be honoured.

last warning for Sheltie and charlie big potatoes to quit the investment talk and respect the forum.

That's good news Naz. So in 2 years time it might even be better to have a huge dancing hologram of a lit torch :)

http://www.zebraimaging.com/html/products.html

Well Steve, holographic is certainly the way forward for television technology in the near future, as is SED techonology.

Imagine a hologram of a flame on top of The Torch. How cool will that be!

Yes...and also scare the shit out of new tourists thinking the building's on fire!!!

[QUOTE=Krazy]last warning for Sheltie and charlie big potatoes to quit the investment talk and respect the forum.[/QUOTE

If you are talking about post 80 get real man, it has nothing to do with investment more about anticipated completion dates.

Imagine a hologram of a flame on top of The Torch. How cool will that be!

It's not the Olympic flame ....just hope whatever they do it does not look Corny and bring the value of the area down :)

It's not the Olympic flame ....just hope whatever they do it does not look Corny and bring the value of the area down :)
NO no!!! You're thinking of Al-Bawadi and Falcon City, in Dubailand. :)

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Imagine a hologram of a flame on top of The Torch. How cool will that be!


i agree. nice idea. let's just hope they safely speed up the construction process as i doubt that at current pace TT will be ready by mid 2008.

after all, is a super-tall.

when completed, this phase of the marina will be outstanding!

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Hi,

Finally I have made it, I've been dying to post on this thread for a couple of weeks now and have now finally been given access.

I've just entered into Fractionaship Ownership with Dubai Select for a 1 bed on the 10th floor and have been given an EXPECTED completion date of June 09 but have also been told this is in no why guarenteed as they cannot be held accountable for delays.

Can also confirm they are in no way fully sold at the Torch.

ZUBLIN had alot of undergoing projects in Vienna (Austria); however all of them were midrises commie-like blocks. :lol:

:lol:


welcome to the forum lizm, i am pretty surprised it is not yet sold out, i mean, UK Developer, reasonable prices and location..?

Of course its not all sold out... how the hell do u expect them to sell fractional ownerships on apartments already sold to investors??? DS already stated months ago that the "extra" apartments created from the redesign (remember it going from 500 odd to 658 apts?) would be used for fractional ownership sales.

thanks imre for the pics!
what's that in pic 4? anyone?
thanks

i thought we all have a delivery date of june 2008 not 2009, am i right?


Hi,

Finally I have made it, I've been dying to post on this thread for a couple of weeks now and have now finally been given access.

I've just entered into Fractionaship Ownership with Dubai Select for a 1 bed on the 10th floor and have been given an EXPECTED completion date of June 09 but have also been told this is in no why guarenteed as they cannot be held accountable for delays.

pile static test to assure the foundation can stand the building load, not sure why it is covered tho
thanks imre for the pics!
what's that in pic 4? anyone?
thanks

Vacation exchange network, Interval International, today announced it's affiliation with The Torch Dubai, a prestigious shared ownership property in Dubai Marina.

Dubai Select, a UK-based property development company specialising in real-estate investment in Dubai, has launched a 'part ownership' scheme using Interval's worldwide exchange network.

The scheme enables customers to buy a portion of the company's freehold apartments in The Torch Dubai in two-week increments and the affiliation allows owners to exchange the use of the property throughout the world.

Initially Dubai Select is offering 16 one-bedroom and eight two-bedroom apartments on a fractional basis within the architecturally striking 85-storey building in Dubai Marina.

Commenting on the introduction of the scheme, Mark Stott, Dubai Select's managing director, said: 'Fractional Ownership provides an alternative property option. It is ideal for those buyers who want to have their own freehold property in the sun but who can't commit to tying up all of their money in outright ownership of a property. It also provides the ideal stepping stone for property investors who want to test property ownership in Dubai.'

David Clifton, Interval International's managing director, added: 'This is a outstanding new development in Dubai and we are proud to add it to our network of resorts.

'Fractionals are a growth area for vacation ownership and Interval is at the forefront of affiliating these resorts. This is Interval's first fractional affiliation in Dubai and further proof that Dubai is becoming one of the most sought after destinations in the world.'

Fractional owners at The Torch become members of Interval International and have the opportunity to exchange their accommodation for those at other quality vacation-ownership resorts in Interval's worldwide network. Members also receive value-added benefits, including access to specially priced travel and leisure services, quarterly travel magazines, international resort directories and a host of other privileges.

Source: AME Info

i thought we all have a delivery date of june 2008 not 2009, am i right?
Just to clarify this issue once and for all... the completion date for the Torch IS expected to be June 2008. Nothing has changed here. Dubai Select have NOT said that the completion date is now June 2009, this is the date for handover of all Fractional ownership apartments, as they all have to be pre-furnished, checked, and then money will be handed over from the trustee's escrow accounts to DS once they are satisfied. This is also so that outright owners can first be dealt with, followed by fractional owners.

good 2 hear that.....

Just to clarify this issue once and for all... the completion date for the Torch IS expected to be June 2008. Nothing has changed here. Dubai Select have NOT said that the completion date is now June 2009, this is the date for handover of all Fractional ownership apartments, as they all have to be pre-furnished, checked, and then money will be handed over from the trustee's escrow accounts to DS once they are satisfied. This is also so that outright owners can first be dealt with, followed by fractional owners.

Sorry to have caused a panic!!

As I had said I was doing Fractional Ownership and the completion date for this was June 2009 I naturally assumed that this would be read as "completion for the Frac Ownership scheme = 2009". The project is indeed scheduled for a completion of Mid 2008, with the extra year built in for Frac Ownership to get the appts decorated, furnished and snag lists completed etc. However, we have been told this date MAY have some flexibility should delays be experienced either before or after completion. Obviously outright owners are much more important and so deserve an earlier completion date as they get all the fun of decorating and furnishing it themselves.

There are still appts available to buy outright, both 1 & 2 bed and there are still frac ownership opportunities available too. Anyone interested please call Matthew 01614883579.

Please note: I don't work for DS so I am not touting for business!!

I think this site is great I like seeing all the pictures showing progress and reading all your technical talk on construction and rendering which is something I do not know an awful lot about. Did I read somewhere something about a webcam?

Liz.

With all due respect to Naz and others, and with no intention to cause any further "panic"... it would be really stupid of any of you guys to believe that this tower will be ready to move in by mid 2008.

We are talking about a supertall here, an almost 350m tall giant. Even 40 storey towers in Dubai Marina are taking over 2 years to complete - what makes the Torch any different? Don't let Dubai Select fool you please - learn a lesson from Marina Heights.

If I was any of you, I'd start looking now for that "compensation due to delays" clause in your contracts because this baby will not be completed any time before 2009.

pile static test to assure the foundation can stand the building load, not sure why it is covered tho


Perhaps for a bit of shade? :)

Agree with krazy no chance of this completing by mid june 2008. However I reckon they'll get it complete by end of 2008 otherwise DS get hit with big penalty charges and so does the contractor.

I say it'll be topped out sometime early to mid 2008. Everyone saw how quickly the rose rotana went up but it still took a year between the first floor and reaching its full height. The torch still has a bit to go before we even see the first floor. After that who knows how long the interiors will take (they always do take a while).

BTW wasn't this tower supposed to start last september? It started around march so that's half a year's delay already

With all due respect to Naz and others, and with no intention to cause any further "panic"... it would be really stupid of any of you guys to believe that this tower will be ready to move in by mid 2008.

We are talking about a supertall here, an almost 350m tall giant. Even 40 storey towers in Dubai Marina are taking over 2 years to complete - what makes the Torch any different? Don't let Dubai Select fool you please - learn a lesson from Marina Heights.

If I was any of you, I'd start looking now for that "compensation due to delays" clause in your contracts because this baby will not be completed any time before 2009.

Take on board everything you say Krazy! :wink2: But there are 2 seperate issues here, the first of which i was clarifying - that is, the "official" line held by Dubai Select, which at this moment in time, is still June 2008. Now, the second point, which you rightfully raise, is the likelyhood of this completion date to materialise, and I understand many here share the concern that such a supertall could not possibly be built, furnished and snagged ready for a June 2008 handover.

If the latter viewpoint is true, then its only a matter of time before the offical line changes and a new date is set. However, up until that point, we can only go by what the developer is saying. And yes, there are compensation clauses written into the contract which would come into effect should lengthy delays happen.

Personally, im undecided on the issue, I have seen some towers take absolutely ages to complete..and others seem to rise extremely quickly... of course interiors is another issue altogether. I'm gona be pessimistic. Why? Cos i've invested here of course!!!

Malec, i believe this project was only launched officially in the summer of 2005, so I doubt they would have started work within a couple of months after launch. I think DS have started relatively quickly, considering they began digging 6 months after launch. That is not bad by Dubai standards.

I have seen some towers take absolutely ages to complete..and others seem to rise extremely quickly...

The only towers that I've seen to rise quickly are individual SZR towers... and the last tower in Dubai Marina that I recall rising with speed was Al Seef Tower. Other than that, have a look at every "freehold" tower in Dubai - you'll find it very difficult to point out to a single one that has been completed quickly or on time. It took almost two years before we saw ANYTHIGN rising in JLT (Saba Tower aside). And it's been almost two years and we still haven't seen towers like Princess and Ocean Heights rise.

The story is quite different when the tower is a hotel (quick completion required to make revenues) or a Sheikh's personal property.

there is no doubt this tower will not be ready by 2008.

as malec has pointed out, give em topped out by mid 2008, assuming it will start to rise in about 4-5 months, and at least another 10 months for interior and finishings.

^^ Well personally, i've mentally allowed up until December 08 as acceptable, beyond which any delay would be compensated. So im still being optimistic. It seems what most ppl believe here is that the norm is a delay beyond advertised completion date of between 6 months to 1 year... it remains to be seen how the Torch progresses.

There is no chance that your Torch apartments will be ready for rental until mid 2009 in my opinion. Hope you guys can all afford your reypayments till then otherwise DS will take your apartment back and resell it. You will loose your apartment and all money paid so far if you miss a single payment!

I stand by my prediction, all apartments will not be handed over until 2010.
If DS take back the apartments and refund the buyers then DS will make a small fortune because the apartments will have increased in value so much.

DS do not need to refund the buyers, they are allowed to just take back the apartment if you miss a payment according to the contract. So in some ways it is in DS interest to be late and reposes. But the good news is that the compensation clause should go someway towards helping you make the payments. Not sure how much this works out at but my guess is around 50% of the quarterly payments?

OK, now we're going back into "investment territory". Bottom line is this: Dubai Select are quoting a June 2008 completion. (Not handover, but completion). But many on here are saying that's impossible, and it will be delayed up to 1 year beyond this date. In the end, the two should meet somewhere in the middle, so its only a matter of time before we find out.

Can someone tell me the official name of this tower and the actual name that will be placed on the tower on completion ? Is it 'The Torch' or 'The Marina Torch' ? On Dubai Select's website (on the drop down list) they call it 'The Marina Torch' and also on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marina_Torch . Should'nt the thread name be changed to this then ?

^^ "The Torch" is the official name of the tower.. as is stated on the project board. DS seems to be confused.

OK, now we're going back into "investment territory". Bottom line is this: Dubai Select are quoting a June 2008 completion. (Not handover, but completion). But many on here are saying that's impossible, and it will be delayed up to 1 year beyond this date. In the end, the two should meet somewhere in the middle, so its only a matter of time before we find out.

DS will not change the completion date prediction untill most of the payments are in (90% by mid 2007). Once most of the installments are paid expect a more realistic completion schedule, till then based on vast experience of people here I go with mid 2009 and possible end 2009.

My colleague in Dubai spoke with the Site management team and they said they're hoping to have the Ground floor done by November time and they're still confident of having the tower completed by end of June 06. Very optimistic.

By completed I think they mean topped out. Then we have to wait 1 year for finishing and snagging before being able to rent.

OK, now we're going back into "investment territory". Bottom line is this: Dubai Select are quoting a June 2008 completion. (Not handover, but completion). But many on here are saying that's impossible, and it will be delayed up to 1 year beyond this date. In the end, the two should meet somewhere in the middle, so its only a matter of time before we find out.

Let's not bury our head in the sand!
Let's be realistic and assume 1 floor per week, then it would be at least 90 odd weeks for the shell to go up. Then add a few months before we are at the stage of floor 1 then add a lot more months for interiors to be done - I reckon we are looking at late 2009 for inspection/handover of aparments.

pile static test to assure the foundation can stand the building load, not sure why it is covered tho

In an incremental load test, sensitive measuring guages measure the pile deflections under increasing load increments. These guages measure to 0.001mm. The results noted are then transferred to a graph which the Engineer uses to determin if the pile can withstand its design load plus a safety factor.

If the sun shines directly on to the sensitive measuring equipment then thermal expansion of the rig and test equipment would render the results useless or even worse make a failed pile look as if it passed the test.

Hope this makes more interesting reading that speculative completion dates!

Hope this makes more interesting reading that speculative completion dates!


Here here.

I can't believe that non-factual completion date speculation is allowed on this forum while investment talk is not.

BOTH should be either banned or allowed.

If the sun shines directly on to the sensitive measuring equipment then thermal expansion of the rig and test equipment would render the results useless or even worse make a failed pile look as if it passed the test.



Although this makes interesting read, I don't see how it is on-topic. The topic of this forum is: #UNDER C: THE TORCH, 84F Res, 345m.

I do agree that the return on investment might not be within the scope of the topic, but certainly the above quote isn't. Certainly less than speculative completion dates anyway.

Although this makes interesting read, I don't see how it is on-topic. The topic of this forum is: #UNDER C: THE TORCH, 84F Res, 345m.

I do agree that the return on investment might not be within the scope of the topic, but certainly the above quote isn't. Certainly less than speculative completion dates anyway.

IMHO, given the title of the thread, any aspect of an 84-floor residential building, 345m tall, called The Torch, is on-topic. Sadly we have a moderator who, quite irrationally, doesn't like people discussing the investment aspect of the apartments within the building, but I see nowhere in the thread title or terms and conditions of the forum to justify his position.

06.10.2006 By Imre

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IMHO, given the title of the thread, any aspect of an 84-floor residential building, 345m tall, called The Torch, is on-topic. Sadly we have a moderator who, quite irrationally, doesn't like people discussing the investment aspect of the apartments within the building, but I see nowhere in the thread title or terms and conditions of the forum to justify his position.

:rofl:

i see that everywhere, and we certainly do not have one moderator who does not like this but 10000 other forumers and 1 owner and dozens of other moderators who agree with him.

Fantastic pics Imre many thanks, and cheers for posting them Stephan. Looks like the piling tests went OK seeing that all the equipment has gone. I think we'll find things will move ahead very quickly now. :)

(Also had a card from DS this morning about their new development called "BayCentral" saying launch date is 11th November - anybody got any more info ??? ))

Bay Central, i bet this will be there new mixed use project in the middel of the marina at the huge round plot. NAZ mentioned this.

piling tests?

Piling is completed now, just waiting for the main contractor (DCE) to arrive and start the structure.

Finally piling is done!! :master:

It will be very interesting to see it rising!! :okay:
Think another 3 months

13/10/2006

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So great. Think another 2 months and it should rise!!!

Wow.......looks like DCE have arrived. Cheers for the photos Imre. :)

yupp they are breaking the pile caps and in one week mains construction should start.

Hi everyone, am currently in Dubai and spoke to a contractor on site yesterday. Apparently because of the extra apartment floors (replacing the double height service floors) he has been engaged to excavate another 2 - 3 metres before construction can actually start. They hope to have this done by the end of the month so that the construction can start in November.

^^ ??

excavation and everything is completed, piling done?
there is no way to change the foundation now.

I agree Flo, this does seem very odd.....they've known about the redesign a long time now, very strange that they did not excavate to the required depth in the first place...........but they do seem now to be excavating a bit more.
Are there to be three floors of underground car park or four ?? Original plan was 3 floors underground and four above. As the number of apartments has increased by nearly 150 surely they need to have an extra underground level to accomodate all the extra car parking spaces ??

I think the extra excavation might be needed to accomodate a thicker raft foundation.

Since the top of the piles must be exposed over the raft foundation, if you want to thicken it you have to dig down.

Photo of new Emaar plot in front of the Torch (courtesy of Spoogle)

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Looks like there is room for 4 towers in front and one to the side and later another in front of Marina Heights.

Could end up totally ruining the mouth of the marina.

I still would be amazed if its 4 big towers.

i expect a three tower complex honeslty.

but as said before, this is prime land and Emaar will try to make money, i could also imagine a hotel.

There defiantely will be 4 towers apparently here. 2 High rise and the 2 in the middle will be low rise buildings.

What will be the location of the 4 towers do you think ?

my guess :

1 in front of the torch
1 in front of the gap between the torch and marina heights
1 in the gap between the torch and marina heights
1 on the very front

or maybe 2 small ones on the very front - notice how they have indented the plot in front of the car park.

What about the car park in front of MH, they do not seem to be turning this into a plot ?

I was down at the Torch site last Wednesday and had a word with one of the workers who was operating the gate giving access to the fenced off site in front of TT. He reckons that there will be 6 towers going up, most about 20 storeys high, very max 30 storeys. Now of course I really don't know how much he really knows but thought it would be worth asking him. :shocked:

maybe this is it!
i was looking at the satellite image of the plot on google's hearth and i don't think that they can fit 6 towers, but it would be sensible to max 30 storeys.
in the case of a supertall, at least i hope is not in front of TT.

27.10.2006 By Imre

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so DCE has arrived and started to break the pile caps ..

Just realised there's an easy way to see if there'll be another tower between this and marina heights. Check the bases and see if it's possible to attach another tower to it.
From this pic it's clear something can be built next to marina heights:

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The place could really do with some greenery, a part in front would have been great but of course, emaar would never do that ;)

to be honest they would be stupid, these are some of the most valueable plots in the marina.

anyway i said this regarding the basment in the Marina project thread already, and i said there will be undoubtlessly something built with joined basement to the troch and MH.

what?

we will see it can be a mall extending towards al seef or part of the complex in front of those two.

It would have been nice if Emaar left the plot in front as it was before.

I hope they dont end up building 3-4 big towers in that plot it just wont look attractive.

Emaar are about as green as mixing black with dark brown. Wankers. :sleepy:

any further news on whether The Torch has sold out yet ?

anyway i said this regarding the basment in the Marina project thread already, and i said there will be undoubtlessly something built with joined basement to the troch and MH.

what?

we will see it can be a mall extending towards al seef or part of the complex in front of those two.

joined basement?

the sea side of Marina Heights basement has no cladding and no design, just a plain concrete wall, which makes it likely that another tower's basment to be built between MH and The Torch will be connected to the MH basement.

the sea side of Marina Heights basement has no cladding and no design, just a plain concrete wall, which makes it likely that another tower's basment to be built between MH and The Torch will be connected to the MH basement.

thanks dubaiflo for clarifying.

^^ highly doubt it

Just realised there's an easy way to see if there'll be another tower between this and marina heights. Check the bases and see if it's possible to attach another tower to it.
From this pic it's clear something can be built next to marina heights:

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The place could really do with some greenery, a part in front would have been great but of course, emaar would never do that ;)


maybe as a compromise they could have some more greenery on all of the condo's podiums.

^^ they will since these are community area with pools etc

^^ highly doubt it

explain?

i am rather convinced.

When you say the podiums will be "joined" I suppose you mean adjacent. If you mean connected as with some passage or doorway connecting one podium with another, then I'm sure this won't happen. That, I believe, is what Krazy is saying.

oh ok then it was my misuse of english vocabulary.. i apalogize for my register.

sure they won't be connected, since they are most likely to be car park only anyway.

I am new to this !
Can somebody please explain why do you think they will build in front of the Torch
I have very recently bought in the Torch and was sold the apartment as full Marina view and DS told me that nothing will be built in front!

^^ now why cant u be that foolish with your money when I'M trying to sell stuff

I am new to this !
Can somebody please explain why do you think they will build in front of the Torch
I have very recently bought in the Torch and was sold the apartment as full Marina view and DS told me that nothing will be built in front!

Because:

a) There's enough land to do so
b) Emaar are greedy

^^ more like Emaar would be stupid if they wasted this prime plot

I am new to this !
Can somebody please explain why do you think they will build in front of the Torch
I have very recently bought in the Torch and was sold the apartment as full Marina view and DS told me that nothing will be built in front!

mackie, I am surprised if DS told you nothing will be built in front. Are you on a very high floor? If so, perhaps they meant that what will be built in front will be low rise so will not block your marina view ?

On the 16th floor, The Contract says Full Marina View.

Why can't they tell the turth?

I was higher up and and decided not to buy after visiting Dubai. I had been told all sorts. A club house at the front, sea view and marina view etc.(This was in 2005). I bought into another tower from Dubai Luxury Homes.

Further I had a call from DS last week saying they have 2bed on 23rd 0r higher up with full Marina View etc.

I work for Dubai Luxury Homes from the UK I myself have bought in the Torch 37th floor I was told by DS that nothing bigger than 18 floors will be built in front on the Torch and they had this confirmed from Emaar their sales rep told me. Boy if this turns out to be not true then wont be a happy bunny!

I have been in touch with Emaar regularly about the plot in front it still seems they are not decided on whats actually going to be built on that plot.

so if Emaar says that they havent decided what to build there or how tall its ognna be... how can DS be so confident? Clearly they are not telling the truth

Yeap agree DS dont have a clue whats going to be built in front of the Torch. They like all of us are trying to find out what exactly is going to be built in front of the Torch.

They sold me a Media City view but I have the Pinnacle tower right in front of me. Also they sold Sea Views which have the Princess Tower a few metres away. Yet I don't hear anybody (me included) complaining about these views.
So yes, you will undoubtedly get a Marina view. But there may well be a building or two between you and the Marina.
Now.....if they said you would be a " completely unobstructed " Marina view then that's a different matter. :ohno:

If DS did in fact tell him that nothing will be built in front of the Torch and this is not the case, then I feel very worried about trusting this company and may reconsider further purchases with DS.

This is turning out to be a very bad day for me, First I get accused of being foolish by Krazy who paid over the top per sqft for his (Sorry Mate, couldn't resist this one) and now it looks like it is not a real view.

I live near their offices and will be paying them a visit soon, very soon.

Some body better take the tie and the shoe laces of me, ....What have I done........!!!!!

There will be a building in front of the Tourch and more then likely even if it's only 15 floors will block you view or disrupt it from the 16th floor.

It's not a bad tower but just don't trust any tower with any view unless you know whats already in front or it's right on the marina edge i.e can't build in the water.

This is turning out to be a very bad day for me, First I get accused of being foolish by Krazy who paid over the top per sqft for his (Sorry Mate, couldn't resist this one)

Sorry mate but I was just being real with you.. no need to give you false hopes - you did get fooled by DS. And what are you talking about? Where did I pay "over the top per sq ft for mine" ?

Krazy

I read via one of the other threads that you paid over AED 1200/sqft I could be wrong.

^^ you are wrong.. i have never paid that much for any property

.... and another one who was fooled by the palm pirates..

well only one visit to the site would have showed you..
next time i am in Dubai, i'm going to walk into some real estate offices, pretending to be a stupid guy with a lot of money and will see what they tell me and trying to sell me.

just got back from Dubai and Emmar have confirmed to me that there will be 4 tall towers on the plot !
there goes my sea facing view !

Tall as in supertall?

Seems more like it could be a usual emaar type development with towers between 20 and 40 floors

Never a day goes by without another miss representation claim or story. Time Dubai got it sorted and introduced the same laws of missrepresentation that exist in the real world.

Developers and agents are exploiting this loop hole endlessly with their ridiculous claims on views (a panoramic view from every apartment. The Zen) Their ridiculous claims about the completion date and spurious undefined claims on the specs.

Some of my favourites;

Fully equiped state of the art gymnasium. (totally undefined) could be a £299 multigym from Argos.

Top quality finishes throught. (Detail them) Not just a better paint job than our last job, If we did one.

Large swimming pool. (what size) Anything bigger than 6 metres is probably large.

High speed elevators. (how many) They are not that fast when they are having to stop at every floor at 8am because someone thought that 3 elevators would be fine for 300 apartments.

Interiors designed by leading International design house. (everyones apartment will be identical) Boring!

Feature lighting throught the apartment. Normaly means 2 halogen spots instead of a pendant fitting.

24 hour security. The doors lock and every apartment has a key!

65 Yachts for the exclusive use of residents (Damac OH2) Can't wait to see this one. "thery'e not yachts they're hobbycats!!"

A place like nowhere else on earth. Thats why we decided to build another 2 (The Palm)

I could go on forever but I'm sure you've got it by now. Caveat emptor (I think)

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just got back from Dubai and Emmar have confirmed to me that there will be 4 tall towers on the plot !
there goes my sea facing view !

Impy, do you have any more details on this? How tall are they?

Also sounds rather boring. I thought it might be a hotel and mall or something.

.... and another one who was fooled by the palm pirates..

well only one visit to the site would have showed you..
next time i am in Dubai, i'm going to walk into some real estate offices, pretending to be a stupid guy with a lot of money and will see what they tell me and trying to sell me.

We are talking about buying of a UK based Developer, under UK Laws.
I don't get your comment.

We are talking about buying of a UK based Developer, under UK Laws.
I don't get your comment.

This is a Dubai based development built on UAE soil and under the new property laws of Dubai. What has the UK law got to do with it? Ask a Lawyer, don't be fooled by developer psycobabble!

Never a day goes by without another miss representation claim or story. Time Dubai got it sorted and introduced the same laws of missrepresentation that exist in the real world.

Developers and agents are exploiting this loop hole endlessly with their ridiculous claims on views (a panoramic view from every apartment. The Zen) Their ridiculous claims about the completion date and spurious undefined claims on the specs.

Some of my favourites;

Fully equiped state of the art gymnasium. (totally undefined) could be a £299 multigym from Argos.

Top quality finishes throught. (Detail them) Not just a better paint job than our last job, If we did one.

Large swimming pool. (what size) Anything bigger than 6 metres is probably large.

High speed elevators. (how many) They are not that fast when they are having to stop at every floor at 8am because someone thought that 3 elevators would be fine for 300 apartments.

Interiors designed by leading International design house. (everyones apartment will be identical) Boring!

Feature lighting throught the apartment. Normaly means 2 halogen spots instead of a pendant fitting.

24 hour security. The doors lock and every apartment has a key!

65 Yachts for the exclusive use of residents (Damac OH2) Can't wait to see this one. "thery'e not yachts they're hobbycats!!"

A place like nowhere else on earth. Thats why we decided to build another 2 (The Palm)

I could go on forever but I'm sure you've got it by now. Caveat emptor (I think)

Has everyone forgotten the revelations about the corner balconies? God and Allah (and Dubai Select) only know how many corner balconies DS sold with their absolutely fantastic 13sqm balcony apartment plans despite knowing for a year that the balconies would in fact be a 'miserable' 3.7 sqm? The last people who broadcast this to the forum were banned (e.g. scooby) !

Does anyone know if this has been pursued through the U.K. courts for criminal misrepresentation? In the meantime Dubai Select seems to have chanelled a lot of investors money into ever new developments hence all the endless delays and just a big hole in the ground after all this time. Guess who loses out at the end of the day (see beatifully handcrafted contracts) ?? !!

As we understand it is not just the corner apartments (floors 1-23 I think) that are affected, the whole appearance of the building will be affected by the much cheaper and much larger support walls that will appear going up the corners of the building.

This is a Dubai based development built on UAE soil and under the new property laws of Dubai. What has the UK law got to do with it? Ask a Lawyer, don't be fooled by developer psycobabble!

Dubai Select U.K. is a U.K. company advertising in the U.K. in U.K. media and is subject to U.K. law (e.g. for misrepresentation), regardless of whether the contract says it is a UAE contract.

Dubai Select U.K. is a U.K. company advertising in the U.K. in U.K. media and is subject to U.K. law (e.g. for misrepresentation), regardless of whether the contract says it is a UAE contract.

I have just got off the phone to a legal advisor and As I have walked into a UK based company advertising in the UK, I am covered by UK Laws regarding miss-selling.

Has everyone forgotten the revelations about the corner balconies? God and Allah (and Dubai Select) only know how many corner balconies DS sold with their absolutely fantastic 13sqm balcony apartment plans despite knowing for a year that the balconies would in fact be a 'miserable' 3.7 sqm? The last people who broadcast this to the forum were banned (e.g. scooby) !

Does anyone know if this has been pursued through the U.K. courts for criminal misrepresentation? In the meantime Dubai Select seems to have chanelled a lot of investors money into ever new developments hence all the endless delays and just a big hole in the ground after all this time. Guess who loses out at the end of the day (see beatifully handcrafted contracts) ?? !!

As we understand it is not just the corner apartments (floors 1-23 I think) that are affected, the whole appearance of the building will be affected by the much cheaper and much larger support walls that will appear going up the corners of the building.

Welcome back Scooby

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ok.. but dont forget,,, Princess Tower ...this is the biggest problem there ...

and another tower comes between Torch and Marina Heights ...

just be carefoul with views because I see every day...

it is better if you buy a left side Building views... then you will get at least marina view..