It's laughable that this crane is so large that its parts takes half of the free space on the site :D

^^ imagine if hey had 4 cranes on site!

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Quite interesting to see them blowing up the supports..

^^ ??

they did what?

there are only so few cars.

^^ It comes by the time.

^^ ??

I don't think it's hard to understand..They can't work on the basement unless they remove some of the supports.

Never seen something like that before :nuts:

Hi all.

The ST also used explosives during the foundation stage. Where this project did the podium first using the top down method, leaving the hole for the main tower - the ST dug the hole first with concrete rings around it, then top downed the podium. They used explosives to remove the rings.

Happy holidays.

:cheers:
Ray.

interesting

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:banana::banana: hooray finally the crane is being assembled!

MOARR...

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love that mobile crane :cheers:

wow i hope the building will rise as fast as the crane:lol:

They build it already as fast as the crane, each quarter a piece.;)

i wonder why they choose the 1970s design...

Scion, patrykus
Many thanks for great photos sharing!:cheers:
Respect for photos authors!

Very cool crane erection process!..

Mobile grove has maximal capacity 450 metric tonnes! It's Grove GMK6450!

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Are they going to install two cranes before the rise of the core?

for 99.99% yest they will. After some time they will probably install another two on other sides of the core like they did it with st.

agreed patrykus that crane looks cool what could be its max payload ?

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agreed patrykus that crane looks cool what could be its max payload ?

Bohdan explained it on the previous page:

Scion, patrykus
Many thanks for great photos sharing!:cheers:
Respect for photos authors!

Very cool crane erection process!..

Mobile grove has maximal capacity 450 metric tonnes! It's Grove GMK6450!

You can tell it is a strong crane because it looks very robust compared to its yellow counterpart.

The crane is a Favlle Favco M1280D,max load 100 tons.The truck installing the crane is a GROVE GMK7450,max capacity 500 tons..

The crane is a Favlle Favco M1280D,max load 100 tons.The truck installing the crane is a GROVE GMK7450,max capacity 500 tons..

M1280D, if I am not mistaken, is the same one as used for Shanghai Tower? Is that the most powerful crane of this type?

It is the same one as ST ones. Mind you, there are more advanced models from Favco like 1680D or 2480D.

Marr Contracting (http://marr.com.au/index.php?page=big)

"The M2480D is the largest capacity tower crane currently in operation in the world with a standard lift capacity of 330 tonnes at about 15 meter radius, and will lift 100 tonnes to 45 meter radius with around 130 meters of hook height and no support ties."

^^
Thnks for the info. Never thought I would get interested in... cranes. The 2480D is a total monster.

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and showing a little bit more cars on the road around?

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Wow! Great updates !
Thanks for photos posting and respect for authors! :cheers:

Actually M1280D has maximal capacity with four fall 230t at 10m with 45.8m boom,
and 280t at 10m with 27.4m boom:

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6/bohdan-astro.73/0_2f7fc_4e2dc5f5_L.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/194556/)
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Source: http://marr.com.au/uploads/M1280D%20Load%20Charts.zip

But for skyscrapers construction 2-fall hoist (100t max. capacity) allows to couple enough crane capacity with boom length and hoist speed - two fall hoist lifts load more faster than 4-fall one.

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M2480D is largest Favco crane, but I'm dissapointed by it crash:

The unfortunate incident at the Worsley site involving the Marr,s 2480 serial no 1502 (the first of three 2480's) shows why cranes must be load tested on every job. This crane was under going site commisioning after returning from a job o/s in Qatar, where it had safely lifted loads in exess of 100t. The load on the hook at the time of the accident was aproximately 70t and was being used to complete an overload test to verify the integrity of the crane as per goverment regulations. Fortunately the lift was performed under controlled conditions and damage was limited to machinery and plant only. While there is no confirmed cause as yet, engineers investigating the incident are working on the evidence and have a theory on what caused the failure.

marrs 2480 was completing a 70T test lift on Maxim radius when the bottom right knuckle/pin on the head section joining the first box section gave way causing a series of chain reactions leading to the boom to fold back on it self collapsing to the ground

no one was hurt the only 2 people were taken away for shock was the driver and the fitter who was commissioning the crane at time of failure would of been 1 hell of a ride

I'm led to believe the favco are investigating with other parties on the matter

will be interesting on who pays for damage/delays/etc etc as crane was not new as previous post stated it was in Qatar but passed all inspections upon erection on site in WA

marrs currently have another two 2480's 1 is up one same site brand new i think the other still being manufactured in Malaysia

Links to photos:
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I don't know such serious accidents with M1280D.

It is also very interesting, will be second heavy tower crane also Favco or Chinese Zhongsheng luffer?

So how many cranes are there going to be?

i have an interesting fact, i looked up the distance between this building and kingkey and found out that it is around 6km in between, and guess what that's also about the distance between the world trade center and the empire state building, so we all know how future skyline may look like, if we choose the right angle we may always see both skylines. :cheers:

i have an interesting fact, i looked up the distance between this building and kingkey and found out that it is around 6km in between, and guess what that's also about the distance between the world trade center and the empire state building, so we all know how future skyline may look like, if we choose the right angle we may always see both skylines. :cheers:

the best angle will be on the top of the mountain next to the border in Hong Kong side :lol:

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that one sexy crane^^

Wow! Great updates !
Thanks for photos posting and respect for authors! :cheers:

Actually M1280D has maximal capacity with four fall 230t at 10m with 45.8m boom,
and 280t at 10m with 27.4m boom

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Maybe double fall is enough.:cheers:

BTW,make a correction,it was a GROVE 7500.

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the best angle will be on the top of the mountain next to the border in Hong Kong side :lol:

But there are high mountains in Shenzhen, too. Which of them have best view of the central city?

looking foreward to this crane working and this beast growing

The crane is a Favlle Favco M1280D,max load 100 tons.The truck installing the crane is a GROVE GMK7450,max capacity 500 tons..

Yes, of course the first number in GMK7450 means axles number, so really it must be 7.
Sometimes additional axle is attached to cranes of this type.
See, for an example, to http://www.cranesalesandservice.com/img/custom/Crane/32/photo.jpg

BTW,make a correction,it was a GROVE 7500.


Three last numbers in GMK7500 means the maximal load capacity.
I suppose in this case it is short tons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_ton) (907.18474 kg). If I'm right, then maximal capacity corresponds to the above 450 metric tonnes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonne) (1m.t.=1000kg)

In the case of M1280D 100T. means 100 metric tonnes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonne).

Thanks for photos sharing!:cheers:

that one sexy crane^^

Only from a geek. :)

Only from a geek. :)

but im no geek.....troll!:):ohno:

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Looks like the second crane parts are arriving to the site.

Btw if anyone is interested HERE (http://imageshack.us/g/9/assemblingcrane001.jpg/) more pics of the crane installation from yesterday, like this one:

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Nice to see another set of crane is coming, don't know how much work can be done after that crane is installed. Chinese new year is approaching fast.

^^ Still a few more weeks to go, should see a bit happen before it :) :cheers:

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could someone PLEASE post pictures on other sites than imagesucks ??? we, those which are at few foots from the construction site might also want to see them.
thank you, and Happy new year !!!

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Guangzhou-Longhua high speed railway opened:
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Turns out Longhua-Futian high speed railway and Futian station shall be opened in September of Dragon Year.
The bathrooms in the trains are bigger than in ordinary trains. The VIP toilet in the first class is 6 to 7 square meters. The doors are censor-controlled

In other words, doors are impossible to open with your pants down.

happy new year

I have't record This tower for a long time . even the crane tower is perpared finished .Best wishes to it !

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Thx for the update :), finally something is moving forward on the ground :)

Nice progress...Very eager to get to see it completed.

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The second crane will be a ZSL2700,which is even stronger than M1280D.

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looks like goldin finance and chow tai fook will rise earlier than this one.

looks like goldin finance and chow tai fook will rise earlier than this one.

Chow Tai Fook is rising already :)

Chow Tai Fook is rising already :)

yes i know and it was about time after such a long time of being on hold :p

yes i know and it was about time after such a long time of being on hold :p

Indeed :yes:

looks like goldin finance and chow tai fook will rise earlier than this one.

goldin? They just started pouring concrete slab so I can't see that happening.

by 晨曦

The second crane will be a ZSL2700,which is even stronger than M1280D.

http://thumbsnap.com/i/buOh6BGd.png



What are usual wind speeds in Shenzhen during typhoons?

It seems as though they are using another mobile crane to unload the new crane parts from the lorries.
I'm just puzzled as to why they aren't using the first crane to do it, it must be capable surely.

goldin? They just started pouring concrete slab so I can't see that happening.

oh wait yeah you are right, i was mistaken. still these three will be interesting to watch compete since Shanghai tower is a lot further ahead :cheers:

Yeah 2012 will spoil us a lot :D

More or less in the same time will rise:

1. Ping'an ifc
2. Goldin finance
3. Lotte World Tower
4. Lotte Town Super Tower
5. Chow Tai Fook Guangzhou

Have I missed something?

Yeah 2012 will spoil us a lot :D

More or less in the same time will rise:

1. Ping'an ifc
2. Goldin finance
3. Lotte World Tower
4. Lotte Town Super Tower
5. Chow Tai Fook Guangzhou

Have I missed something?

i don't think you have. Additionally we have a lot more that are now on preparation and may join early construction later the year like greenland center, kingdom tower, kaisa feng long, seoul light and some more. from 2 buildings over 500m to many in only few years :cheers:

Possibly Wuhan Greenland Center, but I don't expect that to rise until 2013. Greenland is always fast with their projects though.

we're having increasing progress on the site :cheers:

The amount of rebar is just insane. :cheers:
Question (I've been wondering for sometimes):
If they have to use so much metallic rebar to reinforce a concrete column, why not have the whole column metallic?

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...

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The second crane will be a ZSL2700,which is even stronger than M1280D.
...


Has ZSL2700 crane an electrical power supply? There is no diesel at construction site and I see two winches similar to ones mounted on electrical(?) ZSL crane at Shanghai Tower (see image below from Cityrain, crane with white cab):
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4405/bohdan-astro.122/0_5a5c7_7f01fbd6_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/370119/)

Yeah, The second crane tower is stronger than M1280D. I think it will work better than another.Don't worried about typhoon . Shenzhen Typhoon little effect.

What are usual wind speeds in Shenzhen during typhoons?

Actually those real typhoons(central wind speed>33m/s) seldom strike Shenzhen.Tropical stroms(18m/s-32m/s) may hit once or second a year though.

Question (I've been wondering for sometimes):
If they have to use so much metallic rebar to reinforce a concrete column, why not have the whole column metallic?

Reinforced concrete with steel possess semilar strength with "fullmetal" and a lot cheaper.

Has ZSL2700 crane an electrical power supply? There is no diesel at construction site and I see two winches similar to ones mounted on electrical(?) ZSL crane at Shanghai Tower (see image below from Cityrain, crane with white cab):


This huge stuff must be drived by diesel...:lol:you may see it at the next update.

Not sure if these have been posted, these are very nice rendering from Kohn Pedersen Fox:

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This huge stuff must be drived by diesel...:lol:you may see it at the next update.

Are you sure? Let me show, please, diesel power pack on the deck of ZSL crane with white cab at the construction of Shanghai Tower (see second photo in my previous post). Crane on ST is very similar to the one to be erected here.

And why you wrote "huge stuff must be drived by diesel"? Please, read the table at http://www.favellefavco.com/main-tower-model-luffing.php
You can see here huge Favco cranes (from 1050D to 1680D) powered by diesel (series M) as well as electric powered ones (series MK). So, if huge Favco can be powered by electric, why ZSL can not?

those pics also show there is a slight encline to the entrance to the tower which is a dangerous walkway with on barriers with sheer drops , is this correct ?

Looks scary to me too. Presumably there will be some glass fences or barriers up to prevent people from falling to their death every so often.

those pics also show there is a slight encline to the entrance to the tower which is a dangerous walkway with on barriers with sheer drops , is this correct ?

barriers and fences are almost never shown on renders.

Are you sure? Let me show, please, diesel power pack on the deck of ZSL crane with white cab at the construction of Shanghai Tower (see second photo in my previous post). Crane on ST is very similar to the one to be erected here.

And why you wrote "huge stuff must be drived by diesel"? Please, read the table at http://www.favellefavco.com/main-tower-model-luffing.php
You can see here huge Favco cranes (from 1050D to 1680D) powered by diesel (series M) as well as electric powered ones (series MK). So, if huge Favco can be powered by electric, why ZSL can not?

Sorry for my ignorance..But I can read the Chinese on the instruction manual,it says 630HP diesel..:)

Is it possible that the diesel is integrated inside one of the base parts? On the picture below you can clearly see something that looks like exhaust pipes. the only question is where is the engine :)

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Is it possible that the diesel is integrated inside one of the base parts? On the picture below you can clearly see something that looks like exhaust pipes. the only question is where is the engine :)

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Yes, it's possible. I also did catch sight of something like exhaust pipes.
And I sent letter to ZS company with question about power supply of mentioned above cranes. I will iform you all about answer.

I think diesel can be ingrated inside deck.

Those two silver colored pipes do look like mufflers.

I did find some information about ZSL2700 employed at ST construction:
http://en.zs-nj.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/InfoContent.html?InfoPublish_InfoID=c373e92f4d1b3dad8f6e1402b3504c32

Shanghai Central Mansion is constructed by Shanghai Construction Co. This project was adopted ZSL2700 tower crane and was constructed successfully. ZSL2700 tower crane belongs to the super-huge internal luffing tower crane in the construction of high-rise steel structure. It’s driven by diesel engine and the max. working radius is 60m, and its hoisting weight is 100t within the radius of 27m, max. height can reach to 632m and the hoisting speed is 110m/min, which is in a leading position in our country for the hoisting performance and

Thus it looks that diesel engine is really hidden inside the massive red deck. If it is, then we "discovered" essencial difference between Favco and ZS cranes. I don't remember Favelle Favco cranes with diesel power pack integrated into deck.

And there is question to guys from Shenzhen.
Is it possible to obtain photos of deck internal parts of ZSL2700 crane?

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I did find some information about ZSL2700 employed at ST construction:
http://en.zs-nj.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/InfoContent.html?InfoPublish_InfoID=c373e92f4d1b3dad8f6e1402b3504c32



Thus it looks that diesel engine is really hidden inside the massive red deck. If it is, then we "discovered" essencial difference between Favco and ZS cranes. I don't remember Favelle Favco cranes with diesel power pack integrated into deck.

And there is question to guys from Shenzhen.
Is it possible to obtain photos of deck internal parts of ZSL2700 crane?

Hi Bohdan.. I think you'll find they drop the power pack.. (the engine) and tank in where the counterweights go.. If you look at the FAVS in Shanghai, and at this one.. you see around 8-10 counterweights that look like 10-tonne ones.. On the Chinese copy crane, they drop the power pack in at the front before 5 counterweights behind.On the FAVS, the engine sits behind the jib hoist cable box. On the 2700 there is also a bit of engine next to the jib hoist cable.

^^ Hi abc

Yes, there is less counterweight panels number than on Favco cranes. But have they get large engine (we see approximate size of powerpack on Favco cranes) into so narrow place front counterweights? I suppose there is only some part of power pack, maybe only diesel... Fuel and hydraulic oil tanks, hydro-pumps and other powerpack details are probably distributed over all or half internal size of deck. Such way for engine placing is very similar to the one on large crawler cranes (most models of Demags CC and Liebherrs LR cranes).

Does China plan on constructing a taller skyscraper soon or is this the end of the road for the foreseeable future in term of height for China?

There's the 777 Tower proposed in Qingdao which is supposedly going to be at least 700m tall and a tower in Wuhan proposed to be 707m tall. I await the day China proposes something taller than Burj Khalifa (possibly using the lucky numbers, 888 meters?). I don't know how likely either of those proposals are though.

Does China plan on constructing a taller skyscraper soon or is this the end of the road for the foreseeable future in term of height for China?

That depends on the ambition of Chinese developers.....Chances are there will be competition within China to build an even taller tower. So yeah, they will plan for something taller in China just like any other country.

^^ Hi abc

Yes, there is less counterweight panels number than on Favco cranes. But have they get large engine (we see approximate size of powerpack on Favco cranes) into so narrow place front counterweights? I suppose there is only some part of power pack, maybe only diesel... Fuel and hydraulic oil tanks, hydro-pumps and other powerpack details are probably distributed over all or half internal size of deck. Such way for engine placing is very similar to the one on large crawler cranes (most models of Demags CC and Liebherrs LR cranes).


Yep, everything is on the deck and in counterweight bay.. I think the tank is on the deck... as you can see in this photo of the 2700 in Shanghai, there is nothing under the deck. Hope the weather isn't too cold for you. Bloody hot here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/emerbot/67047c4bjw6de76xrunb4j.jpg

^^ Yes, there is nothing under deck. But I'm talking about place inside the rotating deck...
In Cityrain photo (http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4405/bohdan-astro.122/0_5a5c7_7f01fbd6_orig) you can see on the deck only two winches and something not very big near the jib winch. I have doubt that it is engine.

In anyway we need more detailed photos of ZSL2700...

There's the 777 Tower proposed in Qingdao which is supposedly going to be at least 700m tall and a tower in Wuhan proposed to be 707m tall. I await the day China proposes something taller than Burj Khalifa (possibly using the lucky numbers, 888 meters?). I don't know how likely either of those proposals are though.

I am rather enjoying this height competition that the Arabs and Chinese are involved in (unfortunately, it seems the Chinese are only playing for #3 right now).

Reinforced concrete with steel possess semilar strength with "fullmetal" and a lot cheaper.

Concrete also provides a lot of compressive strength while steel provides tensile strength. A tall building needs both to withstand various static and dynamic loads.

I am rather enjoying this height competition that the Arabs and Chinese are involved in (unfortunately, it seems the Chinese are only playing for #3 right now).

Pretty soon, a lot of other countries will be joining in too, so this will be a hell of thing to watch heavy competition between multiple countries.

Korea and Indonesia are getting pretty close now to compete.

^^ Yes, there is nothing under deck. But I'm talking about place inside the rotating deck...
In Cityrain photo (http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4405/bohdan-astro.122/0_5a5c7_7f01fbd6_orig) you can see on the deck only two winches and something not very big near the jib winch. I have doubt that it is engine.

In anyway we need more detailed photos of ZSL2700...

If you mean the slew ring... I'd doubt that very much. No room..

There's the 777 Tower proposed in Qingdao which is supposedly going to be at least 700m tall and a tower in Wuhan proposed to be 707m tall. I await the day China proposes something taller than Burj Khalifa (possibly using the lucky numbers, 888 meters?). I don't know how likely either of those proposals are though.

I prefer a jungle of 300m to 500m buildings over a couple of 700m buildings. Although, we have to be realistic, a jungle of supertalls within a city won't happen even if that city having the best bedrock foundation. Kong Kong is the closest to such a city, but still most buildings are under 300m.

Having a single 700 or 800m per city will result in large chunk of empty spaces surrounding that particular building due to required space for foundation. The building would be good to serve as a monument, but in terms of practicality a jungle of lower height buildings would be better.

There are no arguments to support the construction of a over 800 meters skyscraper, even in the emerging superpower China.

theres really no argument to support the construction of anything much more than 300 meters. the only real reason behind anything bigger is to make up for small dick size.

^^ Or planning for the future? :)

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I prefer a jungle of 300m to 500m buildings over a couple of 700m buildings. Although, we have to be realistic, a jungle of supertalls within a city won't happen even if that city having the best bedrock foundation. Kong Kong is the closest to such a city, but still most buildings are under 300m.

Having a single 700 or 800m per city will result in large chunk of empty spaces surrounding that particular building due to required space for foundation. The building would be good to serve as a monument, but in terms of practicality a jungle of lower height buildings would be better.

Yeah I agree. I was just answering someone else's question of proposes taller than Ping'an. I actually don't even think Ping'an is necessary, even though I am a fan of it.

Say bye-bye to the red-brown soil in the mall.

theres really no argument to support the construction of anything much more than 300 meters. the only real reason behind anything bigger is to make up for small dick size.

All the 300m+ buildings in this forum don't need your agreement for their construction.

theres really no argument to support the construction of anything much more than 300 meters. the only real reason behind anything bigger is to make up for small dick size.

Freudian, lame and liberal. A very tiresome argument.

Not that I support building such a high scraper, but dick sizes has nothing to do with it.

Freudian, lame and liberal. A very tiresome argument.

Not that I support building such a high scraper, but dick sizes has nothing to do with it.

... Lets look at the countries/continents not in the WTB compitition...

by gjhhose

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p340/Dalianon/Shenzhen%20photos/2fd72d9f.jpg

^^ 1 coin if you thought that the crane was lifting the red guitar :lol:

^^ I'm now 1 coin richer :) ;) Was wondering why they were lifting a guitar.....then I scrolled down :lol:

:cheers:

I thought that the guitar would drive away some day. :)

08.01. by crazyboxy
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when is it proposed to reach ground level?

im waiting for the crane to lift the drums ?

When will they come out?

When will they come out?

Reaching ground level? Puh, at least another half year i would say.

by gjhhose
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^^ I somehow missed it through all the pictures and information in this thread, what will be coming out of the left hole?

^^ The mall.

^^ The mall.

Thanks! Funny how it looks like a hole made for another supertall.

I thought that 2nd hole was for the smaller tower mentioned in the thread title?

^^ Oh boy ;) As explained tens of times the smaller tower goes across the street on the left from the left hole.

^^ Oh boy ;) As explained tens of times the smaller tower goes across the street on the left from the left hole.

I never noticed the smaller tower across the street in the rendering....nice. That "little" tower would dominate the skyline here in Austin.

same here. ;)

Yeah, even the smaller tower wil be a supertall. :lol:

Yeah, even the smaller tower wil be a supertall. :lol:

and its less than half the size. :cheers:

Where is the "hole" for the "little" tower? I haven't seen a picture with the area across the street.

Here's a view across the street from back in August.
By crazyboyxzy
http://pic.qnpic.com:83/r.jsp?fn=//fanjoin/share/2011/8/28/100_0577.jpg

Where is the "hole" for the "little" tower? I haven't seen a picture with the area across the street.

As clear on the picture above, there still isn't one ;)

10.01. by 1788111
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second crane in progress
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by gjhhose
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20120112/17/56673426201201121743045634613915877_039.jpg

So it isn't across the street, it's right there!!!

bearb thanks for photos posting. :cheers:

Please, try to find photos zoomed on new crane details.

Damn I love this construction site. Can't wait for the core of the main tower to commence rising.

The "hole" discussion is getting out of hand :D Nice to see the second crane being assembled!

slowly it's moving forward...really can't wait to see this baby rise :cheers:.

with 660m it's not really far away from the 700m mark :nuts:

So it isn't across the street, it's right there!!!

the second building should still be across the street XD
but they prefer 2 crane work together than one only to speed up?

When I was in China the other month the rise of highrises, skyscrapers and mass of people on the move really made Australia look small and deserted when I got back. Sydney looked like some sort of town, not city.

Go China, by 2020 it will be a decidedly different place at this rate of change.

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1st red crane lift 2nd crane. What lifted 1st red crane? (probably some yellow crane)

It reminds me of those Fanuc yellow robots building yellow robots in yellow buildings.
http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/robot-z.html

Does Shenzhen also have a scale model of the city's future urban plan similar to Shanghai's "Urban Planning Exhibition Center"?

Does Shenzhen also have a scale model of the city's future urban plan similar to Shanghai's "Urban Planning Exhibition Center"?

there was a plan to build a museum contemporary art and urban planning exhibition centre which looks like this below now.. i think there should be one if it have been built.......
http://www.architecturelist.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/museum-of-contemporary-art.jpg

the plan was to finish it in 2008/09.........
but still not be built yet...

there should be one in the headquarter of urban planning, land and resources commission... but should be an old one coz lots of new buildings came out in the past few years...

kanye, thanks for photos :cheers:

Yeap, diesel engine is still hidden from our eyes...

Nice progress.:banana:

Does Shenzhen also have a scale model of the city's future urban plan similar to Shanghai's "Urban Planning Exhibition Center"?

shenzhen Central Bussiness District future urban plan
http://office.sz.focus.cn/upload/rs/200904/11255059863.jpg
http://hiphotos.baidu.com/shenzhenshangdao/mpic/item/a0207acee6fa732293457e61.jpg

shenzhen central bussiness district:
http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/04197470.002C
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111129/20/56673426201111292021081818395169358_009.jpg
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111018/20/566734262011101820063306.jpg
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111015/01/56673426201110150139012951924567191_060.jpg
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http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111015/01/56673426201110150139012951924567191_038.jpg
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111015/01/56673426201110150139012951924567191_033.jpg
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111015/01/56673426201110150139012951924567191_029.jpg
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111015/01/56673426201110150139012951924567191_019.jpg

Wonderful photos harry chao, thanks for shooting & sharing.

1st red crane lift 2nd crane. What lifted 1st red crane? (probably some yellow crane)

It reminds me of those Fanuc yellow robots building yellow robots in yellow buildings.
http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/robot-z.html

See post #2516.

strange, in skyscraperpage the tower is mentioned with 588m , so who is wrong?

there should be one in the headquarter of urban planning, land and resources commission... but should be an old one coz lots of new buildings came out in the past few years...

Thanks for the info bearb; I was able to find their website (http://www.szpl.gov.cn/) but am unable to read any dialect of Chinese so I've not been able to locate the urban plans, if any exist, on their website.

Great pics Harry! How recently were they taken?

strange, in skyscraperpage the tower is mentioned with 588m , so who is wrong?
Nobody; 588 is the roof height and 660 is the spire height.

Nobody; 588 is the roof height and 660 is the spire height.

So then, skyscraperpage is wrong. Spire height is what is the generally accepted measurement.

btw, Nice to see both cranes up. Hopefully progress on the foundation will proceed soon.

Nobody; 588 is the roof height and 660 is the spire height.

sorry,the roof height is 597 m,not 588:lol:

Great pics Harry! How recently were they taken?

no,all were taken a few months ago by some skyscraper fans

http://pic.qnpic.com:83/r.jsp?fn=//fanjoin/share/2011/12/6/DSC00528-0020(2).jpg
http://pic.qnpic.com:83/r.jsp?fn=//fanjoin/share/2011/12/6/DSC00540-0020(2).jpg
http://pic.qnpic.com:83/r.jsp?fn=//fanjoin/share/2011/12/7/DSC09949.jpg
http://fmn.xnpic.com/fmn049/20110831/1850/p_large_rgkK_688500004b0b5c42.jpg

http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111207/13/56673426201112071352143856064645538_003.jpg

could you see the Ping'an IFC?

Hi, these are new renders from the CTBUH update several months ago. I think this is the closest how the tower will look. Btw its obvious now how the increased 660 height is reached. The huge spire... A bit too tall imo. I mean this tower is made for the spire, but the original length was perfect. This is a bit disproportionately tall. Anyways thats minor issue, its still great tower, and I think if it will turn out like on the renders it will be even better and more classy without that goldy color. Another interesting thing is that one of the renders shows no street bridge, and other seems to include it, not sure what to think about it (edit: oh wait, it is there ;) it is just obscured by the small tower) . The last thing: seems like the smaller tower is even smaller than on the previous renders, or is it just the impression? Anyways strangely enough these are not available on kpf site, not sure why, int case of cladding and spire these seems to be most recent.

http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/images/albums/userpics/10005/PingAn_Ext-Aerial_%28c%29KPF.jpg

http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/images/albums/userpics/10005/PingAn_Ext-Elevation_%28c%29KPF.jpg

http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/images/albums/userpics/10005/PingAn_Ext-Facade_(c)KPF.jpg

http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/images/albums/userpics/10005/PingAn_Ext-RoofGarden_(c)KPF.jpg

http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/images/albums/userpics/10005/PingAn_Ext-PodiumModel_(c)KPF.jpg

http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/images/albums/userpics/10005/PingAn_Ext-Axon_(c)KPF.jpg

http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/images/albums/userpics/10005/PingAn_Ext-SpireModel_(c)KPF.jpg

http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/images/albums/userpics/10005/PingAn_Ext-skyline_(c)KPF.jpg

woah, awesome renderings! thx for posting patrykus :)

shenzhen looks rather clean and green for chinese standards, very nice :)

I wish they'd stick to the golden color. Oh well.

shenzhen looks rather clean and green for chinese standards, very nice :)

yep,greening rate of SZ is higher than many other chinese cities,you can see many hills there.:)

Thanks for those nice pictures, harry·chao. My favorite Shenzhen pictures, I might say..

Splendid renders! :banana:

I wish they'd stick to the golden color. Oh well.

Agree, would look even better :)

shenzhen central bussiness district:
http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/04197470.002C
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111129/20/56673426201111292021081818395169358_009.jpg
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111018/20/566734262011101820063306.jpg
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111015/01/56673426201110150139012951924567191_060.jpg
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111015/01/56673426201110150139012951924567191_039.jpg
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111015/01/56673426201110150139012951924567191_038.jpg
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http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111015/01/56673426201110150139012951924567191_019.jpg

Shenzhen is indeed awesome! Ping'an will make the skyline looks even better! Thx for yr photos, harry·chao! :)

Shenzhen is indeed awesome! Ping'an will make the skyline looks even better! Thx for yr photos, harry·chao! :)

i hope so:lol:

http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20120114/21/64373828201201142104401119193697288_011.jpg
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BY 1788111

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by gjhhose

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http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/images/albums/userpics/10005/PingAn_Ext-skyline_(c)KPF.jpg

This render is fucken amazing!!!

http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111207/14/56673426201112071425311305406774114_008.jpg
http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111207/16/56673426201112071647012299054713508_005.jpg
a shot From Kingkey Building to Futian Central Bussiness District

some night shots
http://pic.qnpic.com:83/r.jsp?fn=//fanjoin/share/2011/11/6/61320589460133.jpg
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http://img181.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20110613/21/55889633201106132100462938827294128_036.jpg
a small skyline.

i dont dig those new zig zag structural colums. golden cladding also gone? :(

I Think thats enough pictures of Shenzhen Harry, starting to get a bit annoying now ;) Maybe you can post them in a different thread? Thanks :)

:cheers2:

harry·chao, thanks for cranes photos...:cheers:

By 冬雨
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I Think thats enough pictures of Shenzhen Harry, starting to get a bit annoying now ;) Maybe you can post them in a different thread? Thanks :)

:cheers2:

I'm not annoyed at all, would love to see some more pics, but I guess it would be better to put them in this thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=181902&page=56

^^ Don't get me wrong the pics are amazing, just the wrong thread :)

17.01. by gjhhose
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Two cranes, now we're talking.:)

^^ :lol:

Tianjin Goldin Finance Center will be topped out before this one even gets out of it's hole... :ohno:

hope they'll move forward soon, just can't wait :D

they seem to be waiting for something because this is too slow

^^
Waiting for the Spring festival rush to end, perhaps?

Hi all.

Waiting for the raft to gain strength - perhaps.:)

:cheers:
Ray.

Or having a break for the chinese new year perhaps ;) I don't think we'll be seeing work for a week or two :) Once the workers get back get ready to watch this thing rise :)

:cheers2:

Yes all workers now are getting back to their home-town to get a long and well deserved break ! They'll be back around the 1st of february.

I've been away in the US for more than a month. It was pretty amazing coming back and seeing the new cranes today in person. Can't wait for February to begin to see how construction progresses in the next few months. Made a post and linked to these forums. Thanks to everyone providing updates about the construction. Was great to see pictures of the site while I was gone. http://prcand.me/posts/2012/1/20/pingan-ifc-construction-is-now-getting-serious.html

http://prcand.me/resource/iphone-20120120052328-1.jpg?fileId=16129241

^^
i've read a bit of your blog and if you move next to the future second tallest building to the world you might also want to take lots of good photos and updates for us of said one :p

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Is it me or there are no construction workers on the site in any of the photos posted on this page?

http://i41.tinypic.com/k13zf7.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/21bjfb6.jpg

http://pic.qnpic.com:83/r.jsp?fn=//fanjoin/share/2012/1/15/IMG_3472.jpg

Construction is not underway?

^^ Another prove that people here don't read anything ;) Chinese new year. It was discussed lately on several Chinese threads...

^^ Another prove that people here don't read anything ;) Chinese new year. It was discussed lately on several Chinese threads...

I cannot read Chinese. ;)
Still, there hasn't been a change in the large pit since a couple of weeks. Maybe the concrete needs some time to harden?

^^ I meant chinese projects threads here in international forums :)

^^ Another prove that people here don't read anything ;) Chinese new year. It was discussed lately on several Chinese threads...

Please excuse my ignorance. :)

How long is the holiday anyway? I hope they continue asap.

Please excuse my ignorance. :)


Oh don't get angry at me, but it was even mentioned five posts above yours ;)


How long is the holiday anyway? I hope they continue asap.

If I remember right they said we can expect all construction go back on track on February.

There are building many skyscrapers in Shenzhen. Nice.

Oh don't get angry at me, but it was even mentioned five posts above yours ;)



If I remember right they said we can expect all construction go back on track on February.

I hope so, this week hopefully.

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06.02. by gjhhose
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are they dismantling the ramp to the second hole?

that would be one of the next steps

Good to see workers back from vacation, daily progress will resume shortly!

Ok back on track.:)

08.02. by gjhhose
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This is taking forever compared to Tai Fook, and that tower is over 500m.

This is taking forever compared to Tai Fook, and that tower is over 500m.

CTF foundation was already poured. Progress is normal here.

This is taking forever compared to Tai Fook, and that tower is over 500m.

Tai Fook progress stopped for a while as well, just give it some time.

How come there are almost no workers on sight? They are building another appartment building right behind my current appartment in Shanghai and i see 40+ workers daily. How come that i can only scan very few people in one of the most exiting construction sights in china? :colbert:

Apparently the focus is still on the basement floor of the smaller tower. It should not take long.
It will be interesting to see how they will construct the underground floors outside the holes. Because that is just a frame right now.

Eric seriously? :lol:

I thought that 2nd hole was for the smaller tower mentioned in the thread title?

^^ Oh boy ;) As explained tens of times the smaller tower goes across the street on the left from the left hole.

Apparently the focus is still on the basement floor of the smaller tower. It should not take long.
It will be interesting to see how they will construct the underground floors outside the holes. Because that is just a frame right now.

^^ You mean the mall :) The smaller tower is across the road :)

There are so many supertalls being built in Shenzhen it is crazy.
Is Shenzhen close to Shanghai or is it Hong Kong.

it's across the border from Hong Kong, it went from a village into the worlds biggest city (recently merged contiguously with Guangzhou) in 30 years. Its population is 42 million contiguous (of which 10 million are in the Shenzhen city proper), 65-120 million metro

^^ Hong Kong :) It's just over the hill.....:lol:

12 Feb by crazyboyxzy
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The last bit before the core will rise.

They look like a bunch of crosses...



it's across the border from Hong Kong, it went from a village into the worlds biggest city (recently merged contiguously with Guangzhou) in 30 years. Its population is 42 million contiguous (of which 10 million are in the Shenzhen city proper), 65-120 million metro

The Hong Kong- Shenzhen- Guangzhou area has about 40+ million people.

Where you got 120 million is beyond be, you would have to add several provinces in southern China to get that number

The last bit before the core will rise.

oh finally :) can't wait to see the core rising ~ :cheers:

18 Feb by 冬雨
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This one's taking forever to rise :doh:

This one's taking forever to rise :doh:

The foundation(s) is the most critical part of the overall structure. And concrete (notice there are lots) needs time to gain strength depending on the formulation they are using.

it looks like we're gonna have a new pour in the mall location in about 2 weeks time :)

nice update photos

So this won't open until what? 2016?

22 Feb by gjhhose
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^^

Interesting, a new section of re-bar for the non tower section.

giant giant holes

They look like a bunch of crosses...





The Hong Kong- Shenzhen- Guangzhou area has about 40+ million people.

Where you got 120 million is beyond be, you would have to add several provinces in southern China to get that number
The entire Pearl River Delta has aproximately 120 million people, but it's not a single contiguous metropolis. That figure includes the populations of Dongguan, Foshan, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Huizhou, Jiangmen, Macau, Shenzhen, Zhongshan, Zhuhai, Zhaoqing, and any smaller surrounding communities.

He was wrong about Shenzen being the biggest city in the world though, as Tokyo easily holds the top spot by any measurement or classification.

So this won't open until what? 2016?

Too long?

Too long?

I was just asking the opening year, because I honestly know nothing about this tower. But judging from pics it looks like a 2016-2017 open is reasonable. Can anyone give me the answer?

I was just asking the opening year, because I honestly know nothing about this tower. But judging from pics it looks like a 2016-2017 open is reasonable. Can anyone give me the answer?

CTBUH says completition is 2015. without delay opening may aswell be 2015 or beginning 2016 i guess. :cheers:

26 Feb by crazyboyxzy
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when will the core start rising out of this hole? :cheers: it's time :bash:

Well, there's steady progress in the mall hole. So it's definitely not going on hold or anything. There must be the reason why they still waiting with the main tower. Maybe the concrete is still not cured, although it had a lot of time for it already :dunno:

This building has a relatively high "aspect ratio" ( tall and narrow!)? And are the stones on the exterior "real" (to reduce deflections)?

http://i42.tinypic.com/iegh1u.jpg

Guess what: they've already the ramp to deliver the concrete :lol:

Did they the entire ramp?

Hey Guys!

I have been following this thread and a lot more projects in Shenzhen on this website since I moved to SZ around a year ago and finally made it to register myself for this forum.

As I pass by the site each day at least twice on the way to the office and back home I have noticed that they started to modify the north gate by demolishing the arch of the gate and widen the whole thing as well as they started to built up some new scaffolding near the north east corner.

Anyone knows what's this about?

Cheers

Michael

27 Feb by 1788111
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Hey Guys!

I have been following this thread and a lot more projects in Shenzhen on this website since I moved to SZ around a year ago and finally made it to register myself for this forum.

As I pass by the site each day at least twice on the way to the office and back home I have noticed that they started to modify the north gate by demolishing the arch of the gate and widen the whole thing as well as they started to built up some new scaffolding near the north east corner.

Anyone knows what's this about?

Cheers

Michael

can't help you with your question unfortunately.

Have a question for you though. do you have the possibility to make pictures? :D

I guess they have widen the gate to bring large materials to the site.

I guess they have widen the gate to bring large materials to the site.


You'd think they might have thought of that before they built the fucking gate. :lol: