either way its the tallest office building, beating the freedom tower

So it seems the total height would be "only" 588 meters! Do you think this is without taking into account the spire ?

Hope you'll find your answer here:
http://http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=391698&page=120

Hope you'll find your answer here:
http://http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=391698&page=120

The link seems not working.

The link seems not working.

In fact the link worked but from the notification email I received in my mailbox. It was not working on the website.
Thanks for the link! It makes complete sense! So it will really be the biggest in China :) and it's still 5 minutes far from my apartment :colgate:

588meters is the roof of the building excluding the spire, the final height is uncertain due to some reasons. It will not be the biggest building in China in terms of total floor space, but it will probably be the tallest.

why not? shenzhen is the richest large city in china on a per capita basis.
Isn't Hong Kong the richest? :dunno:

Isn't Hong Kong the richest? :dunno:

Hong Kong's status as part of China is still sketchy considering from the time of handover it was granted "50 years of relative autonomy."

So if we're counting Hong Kong then it is the richest city per capita in China ~40k usd/year.

If not though, Shenzhen takes the prize. ~20k usd/year.

I haven't looked into it but I am inclined to believe that in terms of PPP Shenzhen beats Hong Kong. Any answers to this would be much appreciated.

588meters is the roof of the building excluding the spire, the final height is uncertain due to some reasons. It will not be the biggest building in China in terms of total floor space, but it will probably be the tallest.

that would be great.
The design they had before was perfect.

Hong Kong's status as part of China is still sketchy considering from the time of handover it was granted "50 years of relative autonomy."

So if we're counting Hong Kong then it is the richest city per capita in China ~40k usd/year.

If not though, Shenzhen takes the prize. ~20k usd/year.

I haven't looked into it but I am inclined to believe that in terms of PPP Shenzhen beats Hong Kong. Any answers to this would be much appreciated.
In 2007, Shenzhen's GDP per capita was US$10,628, making it the richest of all Chinese cities.

1. Hong Kong US$41,614 (2007)
2. Macau US$28,853 (2007)

I doubt in terms of PPP is much difference, because all cities have high standard of living. (the big diference betwen China's GDP and PPP is made in the rural and not so developed areas, where 100$ is like 1000$ in USA)

people these days only use RPPP, APPP is not an accurate measure of wealth, it ignores too many factors and assumes we live in a world with no market friction, and that people's preferences and lifestyles are exactly the same, which is definitely not.

this building must be quite special cus its 50% more expensive than the spire.

wrong thread sorry.

HK Shenzhen should merge into a mega city.

who knows...maybe they'll in the future :)

^^ The cities might merge, but the skylines not. Is a mountain between them.

16 km might not be so much for the next 15-30 years.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/paul1-s.jpg

Imagine the Emporis score (considering that in 15 years they finally colect all data from Shenzhen. :bash: )

The center-to-center distance is 29km but along the coast avoiding the mountains there is an almost continuous strip of built-up land already, at some places very narrow, at other places including complete (new) towns.

The design is really beautiful, too much elegant and very attractive ! I love it ! Build it right now!

OFFICIAL: FINAL DESIGN 850m TO BEAT BURJ!!!

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sorry guys, april fools

for half a second i believed it :sleepy:

:lol:

^^ haha, sorry, couldnt resist it.

hahaha!! thats funny! :lol:

what are the chances of this getting built ?

very good i would say

what are the chances of this getting built ?
chance? I believe they will build it for sure

Ping An workers have been cramming themselves working in an old suburban building for years, after all Ping An has turned into the second largest insurance corp in China, it's time for them to move into a better place

^^ You mean China or the World.

chance? I believe they will build it for sure

Ping An workers have been cramming themselves working in an old suburban building for years, after all Ping An has turned into the second largest insurance corp in China, it's time for them to move into a better place

I wonder how many large Chinese companies will build supertall headquarters within the next decades.

WTH??? I was waiting for the picture to load for like 10 minutes... damn!!!!!

until I read the april fools. unlucky silent strike, you;'ve used up ur sarcasm now and wont work ever again lol.

^^ You mean China or the World.
Excuse me?
I mean PingAn is the second largest insurance corp in China
not the world, is this what confused you

I wonder how many large Chinese companies will build supertall headquarters within the next decades.

in fact most well-known state-owned companies have got their nice places already, like BoC, China National Petroleum, ICBC etc. However, some are still not satisfied and still want to have a nicer one like CCTV...
but there are still many Private enterprises like Pingan, they are evolving quickly, and surly there will be a supertall race in the next decade among those large cities

in fact most well-known state-owned companies have got their nice places already, like BoC, China National Petroleum, ICBC etc. However, some are still not satisfied and still want to have a nicer one like CCTV...
but there are still many Private enterprises like Pingan, they are evolving quickly, and surly there will be a supertall race in the next decade among those large cities
After the "american banks fiasco" ICBC is the biggest bank in the world, still the headquarter is not the most impresive...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3437/3356043795_e5a88ee1cb_b_d.jpg

The building on the left, not BoC :D

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/bank.jpg

in fact most well-known state-owned companies have got their nice places already, like BoC, China National Petroleum, ICBC etc. However, some are still not satisfied and still want to have a nicer one like CCTV...
but there are still many Private enterprises like Pingan, they are evolving quickly, and surly there will be a supertall race in the next decade among those large cities

Interesting. Sounds a lot like the US in the past. Hopefully China comes up with something to compete with Dubai.

I also didn't realize Shenzen was THAT close to Hong Kong. Neat.

many securities firms are starting to build their headquarters in major cities such as Shenzhen, Shanghai, Beijing and Guangzhou, but they are mostly around 200 meters.

After the "american banks fiasco" ICBC is the biggest bank in the world, still the headquarter is not the most impresive...

actually this No.1 thing is a little dramatic...
This building is nice though, especially compared to Beijing's headquarter..

That it's standing beside BoC is what's to blame:lol:

ICBC headquarter in Beijing, designed by SOM
http://tk.files.storage.msn.com/x1pNWjjkHJ3o_xCs57myUrvS33oMxBN7z7-MFOi0uBCuFyZFYj-sSJZd5KWxyJhLqrEG7g8khOMVTy5m15ScAjQB3rsAItRGka_a5CIcayVScAr1YFnbfVBiVp_C4JYjP7BO2MusZp2n9w

^^ Too little, they deserve a world class supertall.

^^ Too little, they deserve a world class supertall.

maybe they don't like supertall :lol:

More renders.
http://www.ccdi.com.cn/uploadfile/2009032617345197426.jpg

http://www.ccdi.com.cn/uploadfile/2009032617344350042.jpg

http://www.ccdi.com.cn/uploadfile/2009032617342374228.jpg

http://www.ccdi.com.cn/uploadfile/2009032617343715457.jpg

www.ccdi.com.cn

the middle part of the tower certainly does resemble that of 2IFC. I never seen goldish coloured steel outside the skyscraper before, as most are silvery.

plz build this!! dont change the design its perfecttt

^^ me too :D, I can't wait it !! design so nice,Thanks for zOrg job!!

thats exactly what I want, the golden steel looks just stunning. How tall is the spire btw?

^^^^ 58 m logically (646-588 m roof)

modernized chinese architecture, yum:cheers:

Wow!! So much gold:uh:. Looks like a modern version of the Empire State Building

maybe they don't like supertall :lol:

Height restrictions in Beijing. That building is as close to a supertall as it can get in its current location.

This is just too gorgeous, would've been a great addition to Manhattan as well.

It is a fantastic centrepiece for the city, creating an impressive focal point. :)

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http://i.namipan.com/files/50dacedcac2ea9dcfbf1f432562929b2af33d56880480400819d/3/SNV31531.JPG

^^ site pics, thanks... WOW

This afternoon I went on the PingAng construction site and I have taken those pictures. I have counted 10 coring machine on the site. :)

All pictures are there:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/yleberre/sets/1582442/detail/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3299/3482867022_549295eda6.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3593/3482052227_66fec8a427.jpg
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3542/3482871742_42547bff0d_b.jpg

NICE UPDATE
PingAn is getting ready to build now.

Those vertical steel beams on 4 sides of the structure should be painted gold right? otherwise they'll need an actual gold. The spire seems to be gold as well, if they're painted, people need to constantly paint that 640m high spire every month or something...

Hi all!

I took this picture from the roof of my apartment's building.
Nice view on the construction site, so I'll guess I'll keep on posting pictures of the construction every week once they'll start building.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3326/3495965899_6d36bbce40_b.jpg

^^cool, what a spot you've got.

and ofcoz you will.:banana:

The model taken by foreverzjw by skyscrapercity

http://i41.tinypic.com/speyxs.jpg

Hello. Where did you get this? Is it an actual model? Is seeable somewhere?

wooow that is heavy... jus like WTC steel frame on 2IFC's body. Is there model like this we buy or is he a carpenter?

Hello. Where did you get this? Is it an actual model? Is seeable somewhere?

it's actually the real model and the site of PingAn is well prepared to build now, probably by June of July.
This photo was taken by one of the PingAn staff who posted on the skyscraper.
probably, you can see it in PingAn current company where located in somewhere around BaGuaLin District.

One senior PingAn staff said the building has been confirmed to build on next month by June.

One senior PingAn staff said the building has been confirmed to build on next month by June.

:) So excited! Thanks a lot Da-Wei for your great inputs!

YanSZ you got a nice view of the west side of the CBD. Kerry II will start rising in the next few months, and PingAn will be under construction next month.

yann ur lucky to live there, wow. Maybe u'll have a lot of noise but the view is all worth it.

So we can be pretty sure thats the design right?? wow!! Im so happy. And the height? will it be 632m?

EDIT: I mean 646m. 632 is for SHanghai tower :)

Did they confirm the architect finally?

YanSZ you got a nice view of the west side of the CBD. Kerry II will start rising in the next few months, and PingAn will be under construction next month.

Kerry II will be the one just south side of the New Shangri La? Is there a thread on this building? Do you have a design? Do you know the height?

@SilentStrike: Don't worry, I won't hear a thing as I'm at least 500 m from the construction.

The height of Kerry2 is about 200M which will completed by 2010.
http://skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20080420_7629ec40a0d8a9e7e553KzGBILKVpSvF.jpg

Did they confirm the architect finally?

It's not doubt that the final height of Pingan is 646M.
So, don't worry too much, mate.

i got a bunch of interesting documents about this supertall. too bad, confidentiality agreement still on. when time comes i will share...

sample mechanical diagram...

http://i42.tinypic.com/2mre2rn.jpg

i got a bunch of interesting documents about this supertall. too bad, confidentiality agreement still on. when time comes i will share...

sample mechanical diagram...

http://i42.tinypic.com/2mre2rn.jpg

Arghhhh!!! Such a tease! Do you have, at least this chart in bigger resolution?

^^cmmn, WTH at least we see the pic...

^^ the pic doesnt mean anything.... we need a bigger size to see what it says at each lil diagram. It would be great help to see how his tower is constructed.

supertall. too bad, confidentiality agreement still on

I wonder if there is any reasonable justification for the weird secrecy concerning these projects.

^^ possibly the next WTB!!!

I wonder if there is any reasonable justification for the weird secrecy concerning these projects.


Did they confirm the architect finally?

Zorg, i hope you think laterally...:banana:

see you in shanghai...:cheers:

I dont get what u guys are saying (english level is a bit too high for me). Do we know an architect?



and zorg, ur going to SH??? when?

Not many news and updates on PingAn building! We are almost in June, any news on the groundbreaking ceremony? Do we have confirmation that they will start in June or July?

Hope start...U/C... I'll very happy..., I wait to hear there... cheers :banana:

I thinks it's started, we just need someone to talk pictures for us. Any Shenzhener's who go by the site, please take some pics for us, OK.

groundbreaking ceremony would be in june right?

just wait a couple more days.

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nice one :D

Still a place for driving lessons...

http://i.namipan.com/files/0002335e50070c612d3004a828cf54019b98382add990200a0a3/0/IMG_0099.jpg

On saturday I have asked the guard keeping the parking gate and he told me he had no idea when the construction would start.

Only know within this year.

Wow great for ShenZhen, i grw up there. And yet it still lacks alot of supertalls considering it a popular and economic city. Hope it gets built, and itll be 2nd if it gets built before 2012

What if they don't build this building, will it tarnish Shenzhens reputation or can they just design another supertall.

beautiful!

It will get build trust me .It is only the matter of a funds and certain final analysis .pingan has already made it very public .I have read articles where people having been quoting this in china daily .So it is a matter of saving face . I am sure you guys how big a deal this whole saving face thing is for oriental cultures .So they will finish the project and build this .After flaming up so many rumours .They can't and won't turn back .They have more shame than donald trump .Who can just make wild claims and forget. Not these people .

It should be started on July 1st. Only 22 days left.

广东深圳平安国际金融大厦工程
发布时间： 2008-12-26
工程概况 工程类型： 新建 项目阶段： 勘察设计
项目类别： 行政办公 工程估价： 3亿
开工日期： 2009-7-1 竣工日期： 2012-8-1
项目简介： 广东深圳平安国际金融大厦工程
兴建一幢办公楼,占地面积为18,931平方米,总建筑面积为302,900平方米。
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项目阶段:截止到2008年9月下旬项目已启动,预计2008年12月确定方案设计单位
1、外墙装...

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Wow... GREAT NEWS the 2nd tallest tower in tower in the world goes ahead :banana: :banana: :banana: !

Its only 172m lower than the Burj Dubai :nuts: .


Unbelievable news !!!

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nice news :), 646m....hope they'll increase the height to about 700m :)

haha...:lol: you all very happy!!

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Right place for the party?


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Hi all.

:eek: Is there no worker safety organization there ?!?

Look at what that guy running the rig is wearing - Holy Smokes !

I see a hardhat ... but sandles ? :nuts:

Anyhoo - This should be another good one to watch.

:cheers:

I think this tower is very intresting, good it's going forward.

Fury, good catch.

in china maybe they can easily replace a foot or legs but not the head... that is nothing comapred to the spider men cleaning the buildings in shanghai with nothing but nylon ropes and piece of wood as seat.

wud u go with $100 NIKE shoes into the mud there? i dont think so...

Sandals = easy to clean.

Have u seen the window washers in shanghai? they got whole carts on metal cables on SWFC. Maybe other buildings its different but a plank and rope is a lil exaggerated.

Search function on Skyscrapercity works finally! That is a big help!

Possible new final design, by Foster. 588m, 118 floors. Looks far worse imo. Sometimes Foster has a very poor taste I think.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others2/foster2.jpg

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文字介绍
平安国际金融中心
深圳繁荣与持续发展的见证，建筑形体的力量与平衡，足以代表城市个性的地标建筑。简洁现代、庄重恒久。面向未来的绿色建筑。彰显业主在中国保险业的领导地位。
建筑理念源于平安大厦设计的基本要点和要求,同时直接回应周边环境和地段情况。此高层建筑将成为中国深圳的新地标，将成为冲破天际线的里程碑。建筑地上高度达到588m。该建筑地上地下共计127个楼层,最高的楼层为118层,高出地面550m。
平安国际金融中心位于深圳市福田中心区地块益田路与福华路交汇处西南角。地块西侧与低密度购物公园cocopark相邻，东南与深圳会展中心相望。规划中建筑定位为国际标准高端办公商业综合体。大厦的高度是深圳普通高楼的三倍。这意味着站在其上瞭望, 视野会极为开阔。大厦形体的出发点是希望让更多的用户享受宽阔的视野。在高出周围大楼的层数上大厦的形体作了拓宽。
系统的结构是一个有效的斜肋系统。斜肋在比例上逐渐递进，迎合了底座上较小的角度和较短构件及高层上更大角度和更长构件不断变化的力的要求。
通过光滑、多表面的对比以及复杂立面自身具有的自遮蔽效应一年中可以少吸收太阳光左右。凹陷部分形成了空气凉爽的区域使得大厦上部更多楼层可以享受到自然通风。多立面形状粗糙的表面进一步降低了涡激振动使结构更为有效。
建筑物中包含万的国际标准优质办公空间。办公室地面的设计可适应各种市场需求。建筑的锥式形式产生了多种不同的地板尺寸。三个空中大堂被定义为直达梯和穿梭梯间的转换空间。每天数量众多的使用者穿梭经过因此它们也是极为重要的楼层。
空中花园为平安国际金融中心各组成部分提供了一个引人注目的中心。建筑物的整体形式提供了的公共空间。这些空间构成了空中花园位于塔楼的顶部及较宽阔的部位。通过室内沿边的梯形剪切块形式可将光线充分引入楼面深处,并有助于降低总体能耗。同时这样的边庭
有助于提高塔楼室内外的识别性,使更多在塔楼中的工作人员能够直接欣赏到整个深圳优美的景观。挑空空间增强了各楼层间部门的连通性而这在一般设计中是常被忽视。这种设计有助于加强员工之间的交流并在员工之间形成亲密的团队意识。
瞭望平台设计为供公司贵宾娱乐的设施供客户专用。从各层均有360度的视角考虑到现场的方位和高度，这将无与伦比。邀请客人到这些设施中将是很值得并具有吸引力的。双倍高度的了望甲板接待楼层位于第111层。该层将提供接待、休息及会议室设施。

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Introduction text
Safe international financial center
Shenzhen prosperity and sustainable development of the witness, building physical strength and balance that are representative of the city landmark personality. Simple modern, serious long-lasting. Green Building for the future. Owners in China highlight the insurance industry leader.
Architectural concept of peace from the basic elements of building design and requirements, as well as a direct response to the situation of the surrounding environment and the lot. This high-rise building will become the new landmark of Shenzhen, China will become a milestone in breaking the skyline. Building on the ground to achieve a high degree of 588m. The ground floor of the building a total of 127 on the ground floor, the highest level of the floor for the 118, the ground above the 550m.
Safe international financial center is located in the central area of Shenzhen Futian block Yitian Road and the southwest corner Fuhua Road. Land on the west side and low-density cocopark adjacent to the park, the South East and across the Shenzhen Convention and Exhibition Center. Planning the construction of international standards as a high-end commercial office complex. Building height is the ordinary high-rise three times in Shenzhen. This means that the look-out stood his vision would be very open. Building form the starting point is to allow more users to enjoy a wide field of vision. In the higher-rise buildings on the surrounding buildings were made to broaden the body.
The structure of the system is an effective system of oblique rib. Oblique rib progressive in proportion to meet the base point of view and shorter smaller components and high-level perspective on the greater and longer power component of the ever-changing requirements.
Through the smooth surface of the contrast as well as more complex facade with its own self-shadowing effect for one year can be less absorption of sunlight around. Depression formed part of the cool air of the upper part of the region makes the building more floors will be able to enjoy natural ventilation. Tatsutaro rough shape of the surface to further reduce the vortex-induced vibration of the structure more effective.
The building contains 10,000 international standards of quality office space. Office of the ground designed to adapt to a variety of market demand. Cone form of architecture have had a number of different floor sizes. Three air lobby is defined as direct staircase staircase and conversion of the space shuttle. Large number of users a day after the shuttle is therefore extremely important floor.
Hanging Gardens of safe international financial center for the various components provide a high-profile centers. The overall form of the building of the public space. These constitute the Hanging Gardens of space at the top of the tower and more spacious location. Border through the interior of the trapezoidal form of cut pieces can be fully light the depths of the introduction of the floor and help reduce overall energy consumption. At the same time, while this Court
Help to improve the identification of indoor and outdoor towers, and so that more work in the tower can directly enjoy the beautiful landscape of the entire Shenzhen. Pick of the empty floor space to enhance the connectivity between the departments in the general design which is often overlooked. This design helps to strengthen the exchanges between staff and between staff awareness of the closest team.
Observation platform for the company's facilities entertainment for VIP customer. Floors are 360 degrees from the perspective of the scene, taking into account the position and height, which will unparalleled. Invite guests to these facilities will be very worthwhile and attractive. Double height reception floor observation deck at the first layer 111. The layer will provide reception facilities for rest and meeting rooms.

Source: 建筑创作 Magazine (Archicreation).
Posted by syh101 at skyscrapers.cn.

^^it would look better than the first design if the tip wasn't so pointy :cheers:

Possible new final design, by Foster. 588m, 118 floors. Looks far worse imo. Sometimes Foster has a very poor taste I think.


I agree, that was first really iconic design with class for China. Now it becomes as common as all of recent China proposals. Maybe they made him to make changes to the original design becouse of some practical reasons? (aerodynamics? energy efficients?). Who knows, but they went backward in terms of design.

Shaped too much like a coke bottle, the old design was better

I think its going to look fantastic

Seriously i didnt like it the old one was much better

z0rg, you're saying that the construction start has been announced. So when are they supposed to start? Do you have any clue about when they will decide which design to go with?
I think I prefer the old one that fits better in FuTian district, but having a Foster construction in Shenzhen would be nice too!

^^ In skyscrapers.cn they posted that the ground breaking ceremony will take place on August 1st.

waah this new design is just a toy... the old design was like "look at me im a powerful headquarter", the new one is just a gimmick!

Wonder way they switched the design up.

The integrated internal garden looks quite attractive, but I see so little office space on the cross section! This could be a super-luxury office tower for top-earning businesses...

I like it, but not as much as the previous design. The other one was a real office design, this looks more like a funpark.

I think the Foster design is NOT the one going to be built. The 588m Foster design was one of the prefered designs but eventually they chose the 646m one, possibily by KPF

^^it would look better than the first design if the tip wasn't so pointy :cheers:

That would make it look even more like a coke bottle

I didnt like it. Looks terribele.

It looks like a giant jewelry, i like it a lot! The gold over purple (in the very first pictures)

The new design? Carbuncle.

It should be started on July 1st. Only 22 days left.

And any pics of the opening ceremony or the works on the site?

I hope the design of Foster will be rejected... its a big mistake!

^^ August 1st they said later. We'll see...

^^ August 1st they said later. We'll see...

I really wish! It's been a while I haven't read anything about this project.

Hi! I can't find the rate threads link. Am I blind?

They aren't starting construction till September they said.

^^ :cry:

I'll still take the blandness and height of the gold colour design over the glamorous of this newer version. Do we now if this is the final design?

Awesome! Can't wait for September.

The new design is terrible. The old one was so classy, i would've place it in Manhattan without hesitation (shape wise).

646 no more

Such a nice project and so few information. We still don't know what would be the final design. Starting date should have been June, then July, then August, and now beginning of september. I woud love to get more info, more pictures, diagrams, schedules! Anyone can quench my curiosity?

Such a nice project and so few information. We still don't know what would be the final design. Starting date should have been June, then July, then August, and now beginning of september. I woud love to get more info, more pictures, diagrams, schedules! Anyone can quench my curiosity?

certainly old plans.. i got the new one:banana:!

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7292/pinganifcelevationpage1.jpg (http://img116.imageshack.us/i/pinganifcelevationpage1.jpg/)

according to the above: 646m ( will be taller though), the other one is not less than 380m

^^ How tall is each tower according to that plan? We can't read it :D

OMG!!!!!!!!! I never thought there would be anything taller than the Shanghai tower in China. Or at least not anytime soon. Both designs are awesome, but Pingan IFC's design is kind of unoriginal. I still like it though.

^^ How tall is each tower according to that plan? We can't read it :D

as a saying goes... to read is to believe...:lol:

(see the 2 latest paragraphs, does it give us hints about PingAn Intl Finance Centre?)

Ping An gets nod for its plan to sell new shares


PING An Insurance (Group) Co. of China Ltd. said Friday its shareholders approved the possible issue of new shares to Newbridge Capital Inc., the Asian arm of U.S.-based private-equity firm TPG Inc., in exchange for its stake in Shenzhen Development Bank Co.

Ping An agreed in June to acquire TPG’s 16.76 percent stake in the bank by the end of 2010, as part of the insurer’s plan to raise its stake in the Shenzhen-based lender to up to 30 percent from 5 percent.

Ping An said it would pay TPG either 11.45 billion yuan (US$1.68 billion) in cash or 299.1 million new Ping An shares, about 4.1 percent of its existing share capital.

The Shenzhen-based insurer said earlier it hadn’t yet decided how to pay TPG. It sought shareholder approval for the share issue in the event it chooses that option.

Ping An will reach its targeted holding in Shenzhen Development Bank by buying 585 million new shares to be issued by the lender at 18.26 yuan a share.

In another development, Ping An’s trust unit plans to invest 10 billion yuan between 2009 and 2011 in real estate projects to be developed by Gemdale Corp.

Ping An said in a statement Friday its trust unit will invest about 3 billion yuan in such projects this year. It didn’t specify the projects or their shareholding structure. It said the investments will help Ping An capture growth in the domestic property market. (SD-Agencies)

By the way still nothing on the construction site. It's still a car-park for Coco Park.

I read it and its really very fantastic project. So, try my best for this.

At last! I was walking around ZhongXin Cheng (City Center) and saw some cranes around CocoPark. So I went there to see and I was so happy to see that all the cars were gone from the construction site.
This is officially not a parking any more and they are now leveling the construction site, I am guessing to prepare to ground breaking ceremony.
It would make sense as the latest news we got regarding this was that they would organize this on the 1st of september!
So now, if someone has more information regarding the final design, feel free to let us know!
I am really happy to be the one breaking the news!

Sorry for the quality of the pictures I only had my Iphone with me.

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Great news indeed!

great ,here we go .

Awesome news! 2,000+ feet, amazing!

I'm still trying to figure out where can I rate on thread with the stars? I've looked everywhere and haven't found it. Any clue?

thanks for the photos, the surrounding buildings look so nice. Hope we get some definite news about the design and construction dates.

hope will be not the Foster one.

so great! GOOD NEWS!!!

I'm still trying to figure out where can I rate on thread with the stars? I've looked everywhere and haven't found it. Any clue?

Could you guys help?
Thanks,

Yann

^^

I wanna, but idk.. spend like 5 minutes looking and gave up.

Wow, the world's second tallest building is getting ready to rise. Shenzhen will be one of the greatest cities in China! YES!!!!!!!!!:banana:

August 22nd, by alt_add_f4
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how much of this tower has no floor space ,as it only has 115 floors ?

Wow SH*T AMAZING!!! :righton: :righton: :righton:

I hope its still 646m and this design!

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7292/pinganifcelevationpage1.jpg

:cheers1:

^^ It might have been changed, but I too like the original design and height.

Can someone chinese sum up the main information delivered by this article?
http://www.chinabidding.com/xmzx-detail-176813960.html

Thanks!

According to this guy ground breaking ceremony would be held on 28th of August:
http://szbbs.sznews.com/viewthread.php?tid=656577&page=2#pid7156621

This one is quite interesting too. I am using google translate to translate those articles but it's still not very accurate. It seems that they say in the last paragraph that they will begin construction in the next 2 coming years? Is it? ;(
http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/develop/1/312690.shtml

How can I have missed this article? :)
I went to singapore last thursday until sunday and normally I'm reading the complete ShenzhenDaily every day to check if there are any news on PingAn building. And today, back from Singapore, I googled PingAn Building and found this Shenzhen Daily article :)

ShenzhenDaily : Aug. 21st:

Work on city’s tallest building begins
CONSTRUCTION on Shenzhen’s tallest building has begun on a vacant lot in Futian’s central business district (CBD), the Southern Metropolis Daily reported Thursday.

The building, which will house the headquarters of Shenzhen-based financial conglomerate Ping An Insurance (Group) Co., will cost an estimated 10 billion yuan (US$1.46 billion) to 15 billion yuan, the report said.

Excavators have started to work day and night on the 18,931-square-meter lot opposite the Coco Park shopping mall, which had previously been used as a temporary parking lot.

Ping An, which acquired the land for 1.66 billion yuan in November 2007, will hold an official groundbreaking ceremony later, according to Sheng Rui-sheng, spokesman for the company. Sheng declined to disclose the specific date. The skyscraper is reportedly scheduled to be completed at the end of 2014.

Ping An, China’s second-largest life insurer, will use its own cash to fund the skyscraper instead of obtaining a bank loan, Sheng said.

Sheng didn’t disclose the height of the building. Previous media reports said Ping An planned to build a 646-meter, 115-floor office tower, which will supersede the 492-meter Shanghai World Financial Center as the tallest building on the mainland. It could be taller than the 632-meter Shanghai Tower, which is also slated for completion in 2014.

But Ping An denied such reports in February, saying it had no intention of building China’s tallest skyscraper. Regardless, the office tower will become the tallest in Shenzhen.

Shenzhen is developing the Futian CBD into a financial center, dubbing it Shenzhen’s Wall Street, according to a government plan.

Since Ping An bought rights to the land in the Futian CBD in November 2007, 13 other well-known companies, including CITIC Bank, Guosen Securities and China Merchants Securities, have acquired land to build their office buildings in the area.

In addition, the Shenzhen Stock Exchange will be relocated to the CBD from the existing location in Luohu District. By the end of 2007, 92 of the top 500 global companies had set up offices in the area. (Liu Minxia)

^^ Wow, no ground breaking ceremony? They are probobaly leveling the plot prior to the ceremony.

^^ Wow, no ground breaking ceremony? They are probobaly leveling the plot prior to the ceremony.

See my formers messages, I have put an URL of a guy who pretends that the ground breaking ceremony would be held on 28th of August.
28/08 would make sense as it's a good chinese number.

Yann

^^ It might have been changed, but I too like the original design and height.

Nothing have been changed on the design.

hope will be not the Foster one.


That one was one of the contenders, but not the chosen design. It is just disclosed later than the actual design (the actual design is not supposed to be known by public even today)

plz let it be 646 one.

Ｉheard from an Pingan employee that the work had started about 10 days ago

As I was saying in my post before, referring to some informations I had found on the web, the ground breaking ceremony has well been held today!
I have been able to take some pictures when they were clearing the place from the ceremony structure!
We have some basic drawings of the building that looks more like the first proposal rather than the Foster proposal. But we can also see only 1 tower.

Then on the board you can see that they are supposed to start... tomorrow the 29th!

Here are the pictures I took!

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That diagram looks so random, who knows. Maybe we still haven't seen the final design.

YES YES YSE YSE YES YES YES YES YSE YESYES YESSSSSSS!!!!

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This is great news, and the diagram looks like the 646 esign!!! :D

That diagram looks so random, who knows. Maybe we still haven't seen the final design.

In my opinion it's very similar to the first design.

So from tomorrow it will be U/C :)?

In my opinion it's very similar to the first design.

Yes, I agree. But it is very strange that they didn't use actual renders for the ceremony. That could mean that they haven't a final design.

thats true what zorman says... usually they have renders posted all over.

Well I guess they can start digging already even tho theyrre not sure about design/

Confirm 646m??

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ceremony came out of nowhere..

My god! Such an ugly design!

Found this article in the paper "Daily Sunrise". Says 588 meters and 115 floors, and it looks like that golden design that most people here seem to favor.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2461/3871152968_ca6a499f5b.jpg

588m is nice, the design is what matters most :D

588m, then add the spire and you get 646m.

^^ looking at the diagram, it looks a lil like they took the spire off =[

the diagram is simply an image pulled off the net and plastered on that chart with Diwang next to it for scale. and i can't read all of the article, so the info i can offer is limited until my mandarin improves. at the least it seems like it'd be relatively simple to add the spire during construction

well if they just got a random pic... it could be any design at 588m.

wasnt the foster design 588m?? :O

Just think, 10 years ago, people would have been like @!#$! Thats the tallest thing i've ever seen! It would have broken all kinds of records and been very famous. Now it's just like: Oh, another 2000 foot tower.

I honestly don't like its look very much, but the height makes it incredible regardless of its design.

Today's Shenzhen Daily:
- http://szdaily.sznews.com/html/2009-08/31/content_757704.htm

In my opinion it will still b 646 meters. The 588 meters is the total height of the building without the spire. It is the size you can see on this early diagram posted by z0rg on January 10th.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/109572_1231834626.jpg

And we know that PingAn doesn't want to look like racing for the tallest building in China, and don't want to be taken for too proud of themselves, so they're saying it's 588 meters high.

By the way I have always believed the true height of a building should never include the spire.

Some more renderings of the building without the spire. I kind of like it better w/o the spire:
http://club.dayoo.com/read.dy?b=cityonline&t=837665&i=837691

http://img.club.dayoo.com/club_data/upload_photo/cityonline/2009/08/30/837665/837667.jpg
http://img.club.dayoo.com/club_data/upload_photo/cityonline/2009/08/30/837665/837669.jpg

i'm NOT impressed by this design with or without the spire, regardless of its real height

blehchhh plz put the spire back on, a building like this needs a spire.

the empire state building effect is lost witouth the spire :-(

Certainly it looks better without the spire.

It doesn't really look like the empire state building, but with or without spire, its better than the coca cola bottle.

http://img.club.dayoo.com/club_data/upload_photo/cityonline/2009/08/30/837665/837669.jpg

Looks like the old Freedom Tower design on the right of the picture there.

Looks better with the spire, But I am glad to see that this is finally
under construction. Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cheers:

they start to constraction???

naa nat yet inder constrAction.. title says app = appruved

They were supposed to start on the 29th of August. But I went there on tuesday evening and there were no activity at all on the construction site. There were some advertising balloons for PingAn.
Then the 2nd plot were the 300+ towers will be constructed is still a place for car park and driving lessons.

sigh,

I hope they start this thing soon as possible. Im liking the design without the spire more and more.

spire is definitely better.

spire is definitely better.

Spire is cheating. That is so pretentious to make a 588m building and to add a ridiculous 58 meters spire on top, only to beat Shanghai.
It's like kids on a beach competing to make the biggest castle.

Anyways I'm almost sure that they'll end up putting the spire on top of it...
What I like on Hong Kong building's like 2 IFC and ICC, it's that they don't have a spire, they're just big, and not due to a thin spire.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/ICC_sJcy69k2UTx4.jpg
http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/2ifc06.jpg

well for me the spire is not for height, I just think the design is better.

do we have a date for digging to start ?

it's gonna really terrible if PingAn tower without the spire.:ohno:

I like the Norman Foster design better, but the current design could end up being fine if the details are done well, which KPF usually does.

I do not like how their original plans back on page one of this thread gave dominance to the automobile, with not one but two places where the automobile goes through the building.

amazing design

I like the Norman Foster design better, but the current design could end up being fine if the details are done well, which KPF usually does.

I do not like how their original plans back on page one of this thread gave dominance to the automobile, with not one but two places where the automobile goes through the building.

Planner, I agree with you about the Foster design vis-a-vis the current one. But, like you say, hopefully the details will make it stand out. One of my major issues with the entire Futian CBD development is that it is scaled for the car. While it looks impressive from a distance, the streets are dead (for a Chinese city) for pedestrians. It lacks the vitality that is common in downtown Luohu or other parts of SZ

Planner, I agree with you about the Foster design vis-a-vis the current one. But, like you say, hopefully the details will make it stand out. One of my major issues with the entire Futian CBD development is that it is scaled for the car. While it looks impressive from a distance, the streets are dead (for a Chinese city) for pedestrians. It lacks the vitality that is common in downtown Luohu or other parts of SZ

This is normal. Many of the buildings are still not completed, all offices spaces are still not rented out. But Shenzhen is like SimCity, you'll get more and more pedestrian in the street in the future. I remember CocoPark being dead, I remember the empty bar street, now it's crowded almost every day of the week. This was the same for Citic Plaza, there were nobody at the beginning and after 1 year it became a crowded place.
They build so fast here that people don't have the time to get used to it and to make those places their places.
And I can't agree with the fact that Futian CBD is not done for pedestrian, pretty soon you'll be able to go from the exhibition center (south) to LianHuaShan (north) by walking in a nice environment. Passing by, the new Central walk, the old central walk, the futian park, the Civic Center, the library and the concert hall and then LianHua Shan, probably all this without having to cross any pedestrian crossing.

I dont like this building ..:(

Although I do not mean to further sidetrack the thread, I agree with some of the points about the cbd being auto-oriented, but also agree with it being comparatively pedestrian oriented.


In its 420 or so hectares, there is the exhibition center and five malls (2 Coco Parks, Book City, Central Walk and the mall (still under construction) between Central Walk and the exhibition center. All of those were not proposed by private developers, but were planned by the city. So life is sucked out of the street and into buildings. But, to the city's credit, all the malls do have some activities and retail that face out onto the street. And the original plans were for teh Coco Parks to be more garden-like.
Block sizes are larger than I would like, but they are smaller than most new places in Shenzhen. Plus, the blocks themselves are fairly permeable, without the fences and wallls that separate adjacent buildings/developments in other areas of Shenzhen.
I would like to see more buildings built to the property line and with retail at ground level, but, again it is better than most parts of Shenzhen. The urban design plan by SOM for the blocks between Coco Park and Shennan Avenue did just that, and with arcaded buildings. It is just too bad that the building management for all those buildings is not to international standards, making them B-grade office buildings. Even then, some crucial aspects of SOM's plan were deleted or ignored--such as having two residential buildings there, which would have given that area a more 24-hour feel.
Some of the residential developments are too large and are just large stretches of walls/fences along the sidewalk---boorrring for the pedestrian and scaled for the automobile. Huangpu Huayuan is the most egregious, but the cbd is much better than areas in NW Futian and outside the SEZ. Xinghe Guoji (Galaxy), across the street from Coco Park is an example of good residential development--street level retail with a garden for residents atop the podium base.
I live in fear of transport department throwing up fences in the middle of the roads in the cbd. It's nice they want to reduce pedestrian/auto conflicts, but it is always done at the expense of the automobile.
The turning radii at street intersections is still too large, so cars can turn the corner at high speeds , which makes it dangerous for pedestrians, which then makes a need for fences down the middle of the street, which forces people into cars and so on. BUT, again it is better than most parts of Shenzhen which have even larger turning radii with islands so cars turning right don't even need to stop at red lights.
Parking is rarely enforced, which degrades the pedestrian experience and also subsidizes auto usage. A citywide (nationwide) problem.


But there is good density for vibrancy and a good mix of uses and better than most parts of Shenzhen, which is why I live there. And it is unbeatable as far as public transport connections, especially when the underground high speed rail station is built. Once some of the shade trees mature, the pedestrian experience will be better too.

A few pics to illustrate the above post.

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.14000187b4.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?14000187b4.jpg)
Original designs for the 'Shopping Park', the less successful one developed by Chengjian Jituan adheres closely to the design, while thedevelopers of Coco Park (Galaxy) went out and redisgned it using specialists in retail design.


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SOM's urban design for 'Blocks 22, 23' shows how they split up two large blocks into 16 smaller scaled ones and push buildings to the property lines.


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Arcade at the Marco Polo Hotel. Yes it has the arcades mandated by SOM's urban design guidelines, but the arcade is interrupted, ensuring the arcade won't be used (for most of this stretch of the arcade, the hotel presents a blank wall to the arcade too). The bump is to accomodate the ramp down to the car park.

the malls are designed, like you said, to suck in and focus the activities. many of the towers are inhospitable to walkers, gated off and lacking ground floor retail uses, particularly compared with other parts of SZ. doubtless there are still people but the large blocks, lack of ground floor activity, and fair-sized distances make it worse for peds. I live outside the SEZ, its a far more interesting (though downscale) walking experience

sorry to be getting off topic, but i'm enjoying this discussion. where's a better thread for it?

Looks like we are all agreeing on the unwalkability and the deadness of the streets in Futian's central districts.


Back to the tower, this is was Shenzhen TV's report of the ground breaking ceremony and the render they showed has no spire....

http://bbs.upchengdu.com/UploadFile/2009-8/200983019183491361.jpg

Looks like we are all agreeing on the unwalkability and the deadness of the streets in Futian's central districts.


Back to the tower, this is was Shenzhen TV's report of the ground breaking ceremony and the render they showed has no spire....



Euh no... I don't agree. I live right close to FuTian CBD and yesterday I had a 3 hours walk from South to North and there are more an more people walking down the streets, and when in 2 or 3 years most of the buildings will be completed you'll see that those streets are totally walkable and will be filled with pedestrians.

By the way still zero activity on PingAn construction site :(

any news ?

do we have a date when digging starts ?

September 27th by MCFXM
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^^^^

Euh... nothing started yet. I suppose groundworks will start by a couple of weeks or months.

It's already happen that groundwork start months after ceremony

i do belive this is the largest building proposal ive seen with mason exterior parts :)

Spire is cheating. That is so pretentious to make a 588m building and to add a ridiculous 58 meters spire on top, only to beat Shanghai.
It's like kids on a beach competing to make the biggest castle.

Anyways I'm almost sure that they'll end up putting the spire on top of it...
What I like on Hong Kong building's like 2 IFC and ICC, it's that they don't have a spire, they're just big, and not due to a thin spire.


that's why they also compare buildings by roof height.

the design is under going experts review... hmmmnn. most of the drawings now does not show the tip of sphire. the roof stays at 588m, OD at 540m.

the design is under going experts review... hmmmnn. most of the drawings now does not show the tip of sphire. the roof stays at 588m, OD at 540m.

That's very fine for me
Just start digging ! :)

This building needs the spire, it should be tallest building in China when completed.

There is no good reason why every other buildings in China needs to be shorter than the Shanghai Tower. They should have an open competition among the great cities of China to have the tallest buildings. And that will be an interesting race to watch :-)

I think I like the non-spire design better. It looks more natural and crystalline.

A building which has a peak and not a flat roof is simply crying for a spire! It definitely needs one!

That's very fine for me
Just start digging ! :)

Cant wait for updates !!! :)

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Any activity on PingAn ???

As for yesterday's evening, still nothing. Not one single backhoe on the construction site.

Hope this one goes through...

Stunning render
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others2/043E2487.jpg

^^ great! I have seen some activity around the construction site, some workers installing some blue fences, I am not 100% sure it's for PingAn or for the HK-SZ-GZ express railway. I'll keep an eye on it.

^^ great! I have seen some activity around the construction site, some workers installing some blue fences, I am not 100% sure it's for PingAn or for the HK-SZ-GZ express railway. I'll keep an eye on it.

Where's smoke is, is fire. :)

Stunning render
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others2/043E2487.jpg

YESSS the spire is back!! :D:D

it looks perfect, missing the smaller tower though.so many classy buildings going up in China at the moment, can't wait until everything is done!!!

^^ yes it def needs the smaller tower :S

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So there is definitely some activity on the construction site, I have only been able to take bad quality pictures because I only had my mobile phone with me!
So they are broadening the construction site on the East side eating up the pedestrian walkway.
Then there is a kind of scaffolding corridor in the middle of the site. I have no clue of what it can be. Anybody has any clue?
Then there are those kind of workers barracks right in the middle of the site, this is also a mystery to me, why would they put the barracks in the middle? Shouldn't they be on the side if they want to start digging? Anybody? Any clue?

Here are the 3 pictures I took:

Facing north, north-east:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3534/4042820734_764a613264_b.jpg

The strange scaffolding in the middle + the barracks:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/4042075535_8b04316a20_b.jpg

The extension on the pedestrian walkway with those blue fences:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2753/4042819468_f33b7de842_b.jpg

seems like they are going to build the perimeter walls first, that's why the barracks (temporary) are located in middle.

I hate when people bitch about spire most people are happy with the designs of buildings and could careless about the height.

una gran inyeccionnnn

zOrg and YannSZ many thanks for the updates!


This is great and the second tallest building after the Burj Dubai ! :)

Great :cheers: .

when does it start to build?

It is starting. They are preparing the construction site, extending the plot size. I'll be able to give some updates by posting pictures regularly.

well, if that so why don't put it in u/c??

^^^ Indeed, it should be U/C. Nice name.

This is only in the site prep phase ..in one year maybe it'll be under contruction

yeah.

this is great news though!! I hope they chose the one with the spire.

This is only in the site prep phase ..in one year maybe it'll be under contruction

We're in China... I don't think there is one year between the site prep phase and the beginning of construction.

^^ prep for a building this size can take a long time.
but yeah, shanghai tower had about 6 months or so before we moved it to u/c.

c'mon! move it to u/c!!

^^ Stop trolling or you'll be banned.

what? just because i repeat twice u/c??? that's already seriously to bring about ban me?? what F*ing wrong with you?

what? just because i repeat twice u/c??? that's already seriously to bring about ban me?? what F*ing wrong with you?

It is not being moved because there is no proof, we need a picture first. And secondly, preparing the construction site is just that, preparing the construction site so we keep it here and change the title to 'PREP' which means that. It will only be moved when piling, or some other part which is part of the structure starts being build. So, digging a hole, soil testing, or any of that stuff does not count.

It is not being moved because there is no proof, we need a picture first. And secondly, preparing the construction site is just that, preparing the construction site so we keep it here and change the title to 'PREP' which means that. It will only be moved when piling, or some other part which is part of the structure starts being build. So, digging a hole, soil testing, or any of that stuff does not count.

thnx buddy, your words are better than that "ban me"

what? just because i repeat twice u/c??? that's already seriously to bring about ban me?? what F*ing wrong with you?

Firstly looking at your username then the number of posts you have, i think it is quite reasonable to say you are trolling.