Hello all,

Sorry no pictures but I have came by the construction site yesterday and the brick wall is completed now and there are the workers barracks along the East side of the plot. There is still a 2 storeys construction barrack in the middle of the site though.
A big pile of debris is covered in the center of the site too.
I'll try to take pictures next time.

Only 2 pictures sorry.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2685/4099625467_cc6e13e90f_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2728/4100382142_f988503957_b.jpg

Barracks are being finished. Can't wait to see many workers working on the site :)

^^ "sorry" never mind, nice picture! Thanks for YannSZ job!! :)

Low res diagrams posted by szfit

http://img2.agenow.com/User/0911/11/731110_13340833.jpg

http://img2.agenow.com/User/0911/11/731110_1375683.jpg

http://img2.agenow.com/User/0911/11/731110_1406880.jpg

So its actually 116 floors. Nice.

Thanks for YannSZ's regular site updates. From your picture it seems they will start actual work quite soon as the 3 story worker's temporary building has nearly been completed. YannSZ, how long have you been living in Shenzhen? (or were you born in SZ)

Thanks for YannSZ's regular site updates. From your picture it seems they will start actual work quite soon as the 3 story worker's temporary building has nearly been completed. YannSZ, how long have you been living in Shenzhen? (or were you born in SZ)

I'm french and I move to Asia 10 years ago, 6 months in Macau 1 year in Hong Kong, then Shenzhen, back to Hong Kong in 2004 and back to Shenzhen.
No problem for the updates! I'm a big fan of this project.

^^ off topic, but do you know what's happening to the other planned 600m tower, can't remeber the name but it has the Empire State Building as a backdrop for a rendering.

^^ No news, but it is likely to be just around 400m in the end.

^^ thats better than nothing imo. Its a very iconic building. BTW, would you know why shenzhen has two CBDs? Is it planned? For some reason, one looks very planned and the other looks natural although it may not look as good. Not too sure why they built the kinkey right next to the tall green building.

This is a fantastic building. I hope that the final project stays true to the renderings. How tall is it without the spire?

November 25 by MCFXM
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So many great pictures updates by z0rg/MCFXM

^^ Can someone explained to me what are they building right in the middle of the construction site? It looks like their building some brick walls.

maybe it's a pool for the slurry to construct the diaphragm wall, like they did at the Shanghai Center.

maybe it's a pool for the slurry to construct the diaphragm wall, like they did at the Shanghai Center.

??? I'm sorry, I'm not architect, not technician and my mother tongue is not english, can you translate this into some understandable english ? :) Thanks!

From the picture it seems also that the main entrance for the construction site will be located on the north side, on FuHua road.

Upwards revision to 648m, 151 floors? Hope we can confirm this.

http://www.sinotf.com/yp/job.php?action=show&id=5
http://www.3158.com/base/20090914/2009091417190065647.shtml

Anyway since we don't even know the architect I still believe that the current design isn't final.

By shenzr
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others2/others3/044BE0F0.jpg

So I'm really confused. Can someone professional "read" this picture?
- Why are there some ground level barracks right in the middle when all the 2 storeys barracks are built on the left side?
- Why is there this weird construction in the top middle? It is made of bricks as we can see on 26th November z0rg post
- Then there is this pile of dirt covered by a black material

^^ I don't know what are they doing. No serious digging or anything.

They aren't working around the area of the main tower still.
http://www.ccdi.com.cn/uploadfile/2009032617344350042.jpg

So I'm really confused. Can someone professional "read" this picture?
- Why are there some ground level barracks right in the middle when all the 2 storeys barracks are built on the left side?
- Why is there this weird construction in the top middle? It is made of bricks as we can see on 26th November z0rg post
- Then there is this pile of dirt covered by a black material

2. I think it's should be a mud pool bar.

2/12/2009 by shenzr
http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/044C4E85.002C

Does this Shenzr works in China Telecom building? That would be extremely nice for all of us :)
I have taken few pictures today that I will upload soon, there is some more activity on the site, I still have absolutely no clue about what they are doing.

oh wow this thread has moved to U/C! Good to see a giant red crane and 3 small holes on the site.

very good china! Cheer up china~

2/12/2009 by shenzr
http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/044C4E85.002C

^^^^

:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

Many many thanks for the update !!!

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Another megatall will going up!

China is crazy!

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Everyday a bit more messy on the construction site, some machines, backhoe, barracks, diggers, wires, piles, mud, weird constructions right in the middle of the plot... If someone can decrypt all this mess, please do so!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2534/4157184634_d00fd1e96a_b.jpg
Yet another mud pool...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2604/4156425461_14291aa2d8_b.jpg
A backhoe digging:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2594/4156426881_56f7ca2320_b.jpg
Metal bars and wiring:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2664/4157189114_b8c76fef37_b.jpg

Great update Yannsz so they make rebars and dig holes for them like Shanghai Tower.
However a question remain, it will be 646 m (maybe 648 m) with Spire or 588 m without it ? Probably the spire remain since TST was revised to 634 m.

December 10 by MCFXM
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here we go...

nice up date...

A 2,000+ foot skyscraper moves to the U/C section and only receives a few posts?? What's up with that?

This is awesome! Can't wait to see Shenzhen's skyline in 5 years. How close is this to Shun Hing and Kingkey FCP?

A 2,000+ foot skyscraper moves to the U/C section and only receives a few posts?? What's up with that?

This is awesome! Can't wait to see Shenzhen's skyline in 5 years. How close is this to Shun Hing and Kingkey FCP?

Too far to be shot on the same skyline picture :)
Shun Hing and Kingkey could be on the same building family picture, but not PingAn. FuTian CBD will have a very nice skyline, and all current projects are awesome in terms of design, features, sizes etc.

:ohno:so bad, eventually Ping'an is taller than our Shanghai Tower.Hahaha...but our Shanghai Tower is absolutely more beautiful than it.In terms of height,we lose. In terms of design, we win!!!!

Zorg are you sure we should move this yet? I think this is just a piling test for the moment which would classify this as just PREP

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http://p3.images22.51img1.com/6000/mcfxm/3fd18d8dd7bc59bf419eff28bb5ad4d7.jpg

How big a hole does this one need (if any)? Hope we can see it rising soon... Digging holes are boring... :(

Still have no clue about the concrete constructions right in the middle of the construction site.

^^

Its for slurry tank storage i think?

http://www.weizhou.com.tw/Agrimachine/import/Image/Slurry-Tank-01.jpg

great big photo...

December 30 by MCFXM
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http://pa.images22.51img1.com/6000/mcfxm/a6558cfb0e7590c812d5acec844e17ef.jpg

Like it!

How big a hole does this one need (if any)? Hope we can see it rising soon... Digging holes are boring... :(

This is a top-down construction...they are saving precious time and money.
By the way, I can see huge reebar columns in the pics.

:ohno:so bad, eventually Ping'an is taller than our Shanghai Tower.Hahaha...but our Shanghai Tower is absolutely more beautiful than it.In terms of height,we lose. In terms of design, we win!!!!

白痴！

Do we know final design?

is the height going to stay at 646m? or is it being revised shorter?

白痴！

lol :cheers:

don't you understand it? :D

don't you understand it? :D
白痴！=> Idiot!

http://www.google.com.br/language_tools

Any updates.

what an incredible project. shenzhen is really moving forward.

January 9 by MCFXM
http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100109/09/54571482201001090949593348930381480_027.jpg

^^ Full steam ahead. :)

fantastic ..this is more than good news :)

Now this is the world's tallest structure underconstruction :cheers:

how do i edit post here......

Nice.

Nice pic! Is that the main core???? Already rising above street level???

Nice pic! Is that the main core???? Already rising above street level???What? :lol:

Nice pic! Is that the main core???? Already rising above street level???

not yet!!

This is a top-down construction...they are saving precious time and money.
By the way, I can see huge reebar columns in the pics.

Could you explain what is a top-down construction? Thanks!

And once again.... "how do I rate a thread?" I can see that this tread counts 5 stars, thanks to 6 ratings of 5 stars. How do I had mine? Thanks

z0rg are you sure it is 646 mts .I personally doubt it and it would be irritating to later find out the building has been scaled down to 500 mts

^^ It's either 646m with the spire or 588m without the spire. Many renders (the one in GB ceremony, in SZTV news, etc) have showed the tower without the spire. 588 in Chinese sounds a lot better than 646 too so it could be the spireless design.

I am sure 888 sounds even better in Chinese, but would they consider that.

^^ It's either 646m with the spire or 588m without the spire. Many renders (the one in GB ceremony, in SZTV news, etc) have showed the tower without the spire. 588 in Chinese sounds a lot better than 646 too so it could be the spireless design.

^^ Can you please translate 588 for me. From how i see it, its actually not a nice number even with the number eight etc. With the spire 646 isn't a good number if you add it together though.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ClUcWxtuYoc/S0-e49tArrI/AAAAAAAAIYE/M6meHgR5JyI/646.jpg

^^ Hello William!
Where did you get this part of the blue print?
Is it recent?

^^ Can you please translate 588 for me. From how i see it, its actually not a nice number even with the number eight etc. With the spire 646 isn't a good number if you add it together though.

588 could mean me rich rich XD, 5 and 8 are definitely the combination of numbers you want for your phone numbers.

oh, thanks. In cantonese, 5 kinds of mean 'not'/'un', hence i took it as 'not prosper prosper'. But i will take notice in future

yes I hope its true so bad!

^^ Hello William!
Where did you get this part of the blue print?
Is it recent?

Another guy got this...it is not recent but I do not think the design has been altered at this stage.

oh, thanks. In cantonese, 5 kinds of mean 'not'/'un', hence i took it as 'not prosper prosper'. But i will take notice in future

In Shenzhen people care less about this kind of matter I suppose, this should not be the only factor to determine the find height of a building...the city was founded 30 years ago, as the youngest megacity in the world, the culture is quite diverse and not so "traditional Chinese" compared to other cities in China :lol:

When are we going to get another update, and what is the final design going to look like?

When are we going to get another update, and what is the final design going to look like?

I'll try to take pictures this coming week end. The construction site is a big mess, many machines all around, lot of dirt, lot of workers.

From the East gate:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4029/4283871737_53d191233e_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2716/4283871323_f09fb097d0_b.jpg
From the platform on China Telecom building, facing south. (so you can see the North gate)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2669/4284608396_e3ec60cdb1_b.jpghttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4284615508_5f731d9875_b.jpg

it looks far from the U/C status..probably at the end of this year

it looks far from the U/C status..probably at the end of this year

Euhh......... it's not like if they were drying their laundry either....

So this is what the skyline will look like when it's complete. (the shorter tower is placed incorrectly, it should be on the left, not the right)

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p340/Dalianon/7c21c82c.jpg

this one will be the tallest office tower in the world, right?

WOW Shenzhen is going to be so amazing when this is done.

that looks glamorous

Hugeeeee! Great tower :)

this tower is really amazing

regards

Welcome in the U/C section PIFC :)

One of my big favourites, such a classy look.

this one will be the tallest office tower in the world, right?

once it's completed

So this is what the skyline will look like when it's complete. (the shorter tower is placed incorrectly, it should be on the left, not the right)

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p340/Dalianon/7c21c82c.jpg


How did you determine which is left which is right . Most buildings are symmeterical maybe it was just shot from behind the view you are accustomed to.

Also even with the traffic it is not clear which is right or left . Atleast if it were a car instead of a bus on the road we could have understood which direction the traffic is moving and thus determined that but that is also not clear.

Traffic is obviously moving toward the photographer.

How did you determine which is left which is right . Most buildings are symmeterical maybe it was just shot from behind the view you are accustomed to.

Also even with the traffic it is not clear which is right or left . Atleast if it were a car instead of a bus on the road we could have understood which direction the traffic is moving and thus determined that but that is also not clear.

The photographer who snapped that picture was standing on the Jintian Lu overpass at the eastern end of the crystal island on Shennan Dadao. He took the picture at a south westerly direction looking towards the Times Square complex.

This render is a quite accurate depiction of the surroundings so I'll point out where the photographer is. You can see that if we view the Ping'an towers from there, the shorter tower should be on the left.

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p340/Dalianon/fc775a58.jpg

nice tower :)

The photographer who snapped that picture was standing on the Jintian Lu overpass at the eastern end of the crystal island on Shennan Dadao. He took the picture at a south westerly direction looking towards the Times Square complex.

This render is a quite accurate depiction of the surroundings so I'll point out where the photographer is. You can see that if we view the Ping'an towers from there, the shorter tower should be on the left.

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p340/Dalianon/fc775a58.jpg

:bow: :bow: :master::master::master::master:
:rofl:
:applause:That was truly an awesome reply

yeah!! that right!!

Even nicer than Jin Mao tower, now thats saying something :) in my opinion.

stunning ! love it ..

This thing is ill. It has a classic style with ridiculous height. Can't wait for it to get built!

^haha, "ill"....looks like Blue Flame is trying but failing to be cool.

Anyway this is a great tower....it kind of looks to me like it is away from the main centre of Shenzhen though....is that correct?

^haha, "ill"....looks like Blue Flame is trying but failing to be cool.

Anyway this is a great tower....it kind of looks to me like it is away from the main centre of Shenzhen though....is that correct?

Shenzhen downtown used to be LuoHu district, but this district now is quite old and had been badly urban planed (too few green areas, parks, too narrow streets for tall buidlings etc.). Now the new downtown of Shenzhen if FuTian district where is located PingAn building. It is lot better designed and structured, they want to make it a financial centre it is well located, not far from LuoHu and NanShan, right in the middle between ShenNan Road and BinHe Road which are the main roads that go through Shenzhen on an East to West axis. The Exhibition Centre is located inside this new CBD, there is an easy access to 2 borders linking to Hong Kong (HuangGang and FuTian checkpoints). The CBD is built on a North Shouth Axis that goes from LianHua hill (big public park) to the exhibition center, it contains, offices, the huge shenzhen city hall, apartments, Shenzhen Concert Hall, Shenzhen main Library, the future art museum, Malls, Parks etc...

Awesome tower indeed and taller or not, Shanghai Tower still beats this any day of the week!

IMHO :D

Awesome tower indeed and taller or not, Shanghai Tower still beats this any day of the week!

IMHO :D

ya shanghai's design is clearly much better then this

^^ I don't concur with you . This has a more classy royal look. Don't get me wrong .I like the shanghai tower ,but Shanghai tower won't settle into any skyline. It just has way too futuristic a desgin, but the shenzen tower would settle into any design on the earth.

January 21 by MCFXM
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Can somebody who knows use MSPaint to draw in where the two towers will be on that construction site?

you know its a major project when you see barracks like that in the above render...

Can somebody who knows use MSPaint to draw in where the two towers will be on that construction site?

This is construction site of the taller tower only.

Shenzhen downtown used to be LuoHu district, but this district now is quite old and had been badly urban planed (too few green areas, parks, too narrow streets for tall buidlings etc.). ..

couldnt disagree more..green areas ruin cities because they destroy density:bash:

couldnt disagree more..green areas ruin cities because they destroy density:bash:

Block after block of concrete and glass is monotonous. A city need needs greenery to bring in residents. With residents you bring in retail and night life. If you just have block after block of office buildings the area becomes a ghost town in the evenings and weekends.

couldnt disagree more..green areas ruin cities because they destroy density:bash:

If density is your biggest criteria .You ought book yourself a house in those Shakehand appartments in Shenzen and stop cribbing here.

Block after block of concrete and glass is monotonous. A city need needs greenery to bring in residents. With residents you bring in retail and night life. If you just have block after block of office buildings the area becomes a ghost town in the evenings and weekends.

couldnt agree more... green space and diversity in a city is what makes a city beautiful

^^ Exactly. Ive been to Shenzhen and the feeling you get when you travel through tall green trees and flowers with skyscrapers in the background is just speechless

30/1

http://api.photoshop.com/home_11e5fbb8309740b9aa8ad5872ce63dff/adobe-px-thumbnails/d5bfc5cab29f4fd4862b1b12fdc4f414/fullsize.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2762/4318072395_95b2464534_b.jpg

they digging the hole now..??

This is unrelated to the building itself but...

China's Ping An Insurance profit up 1,500% in 2009
http://www.chinadaily.cn/bizchina/2010-02/01/content_9407204.htm

Amazing building! :) Looking forward to seeing it rise!

Ty for the updates

Density is fine, but not at the cost of eliminating every green area. Trust me, I live in São Paulo, and you can feel the urban heat islands in parts of the city that have less trees and are more dense.

Density is fine, but not at the cost of eliminating every green area. Trust me, I live in São Paulo, and you can feel the urban heat islands in parts of the city that have less trees and are more dense.

I`ve been in Shenzhen this year and there is enough green space. ;)
You can see my pics at the end of this thread.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=340160

I believe you, my post was an answer to Chinese Translations, post #603. ;)

February 3 by MCFXM
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If this is going to be the second tallest skyscraper on earth, then why don't they hurry build it fast. I really want to see it now not in 3 years :(

^^
Yeah, your right, but I can't think of anything that will outdo it in 3 years for the world's second tallest building. The only project in the forseeable future that even has a chance to be built is the Dream Hub Archipelogo in Seoul at 665m. But that definitly won't be built in 3 years.:)

Ping An International Finance Center
Shenzhen, China

Thornton Tomasetti is providing structural design services for the new office tower with the total gross floor area of 378,600 square meters plus basement area of 90,000 square meters. The project will consist of offices, conference center, supporting facilities and parking spaces.
The tower is being designed using performance-based design to ensure the safety of the structural system.

Client/Architect
KPF
Owner
Ping An Life Insurance Company of China, Ltd.
Completion Date
2012
Construction Cost
$678 million U.S.
Total Area
468,600 m²

http://s3.amazonaws.com/tt_assets/pdf/HighRiseBrochure.pdf

^^
Yeah, your right, but I can't think of anything that will outdo it in 3 years for the world's second tallest building. The only project in the forseeable future that even has a chance to be built is the Dream Hub Archipelogo in Seoul at 665m. But that definitly won't be built in 3 years.:)

That project will be completed in 4 years times by 2014 and don't mention the project in Seoul caused it hasn't started yet. So, there is no comparision.

Ping An International Finance Center
Shenzhen, China

Thornton Tomasetti is providing structural design services for the new office tower with the total gross floor area of 378,600 square meters plus basement area of 90,000 square meters. The project will consist of offices, conference center, supporting facilities and parking spaces.
The tower is being designed using performance-based design to ensure the safety of the structural system.

Client/Architect
KPF
Owner
Ping An Life Insurance Company of China, Ltd.
Completion Date
2012
Construction Cost
$678 million U.S.
Total Area
468,600 m²

http://s3.amazonaws.com/tt_assets/pdf/HighRiseBrochure.pdf

Just 678 million usd now i am worried . Is this going to be 646 or by any chance less than that :(

Just 678 million usd now i am worried . Is this going to be 646 or by any chance less than that :(

a bargain skyscraper :)

Just 678 million usd now i am worried . Is this going to be 646 or by any chance less than that :(

I wouldn't worry yourselves with overall cost of this skyscraper to others built around the world. China's labor prices are vastly cheaper than other countries. This skyscraper built in NY would cost over a billion dollars.

^^ yeah, and the transport costs and materials are generally cheaper because its made there, the people there work fast so the job gets done and other transaction costs aren't there as well.

^^ Exactly. Ive been to Shenzhen and the feeling you get when you travel through tall green trees and flowers with skyscrapers in the background is just speechless

traveling through tall green trees and flowers? :puke: this forum needs more testosterone

I wouldn't worry yourselves with overall cost of this skyscraper to others built around the world. China's labor prices are vastly cheaper than other countries. This skyscraper built in NY would cost over a billion dollars.


Yep. If you calculate according to purchasing power parity, it will equal 1.4 billion $ in USA.

traveling through tall green trees and flowers? :puke: this forum needs more testosterone

i agree with him. A bird's eye view of nyc, and its a concrete jungle, nothing special. But a bird's eye view of gz,sz or chongqing, and you see patterns, greenery etc, what an eco city should look like

Feb 6 by MCXM. Spire or not?
http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100206/16/54571482201002061632501558237293574_017.jpg

http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100206/16/54571482201002061632501558237293574_002.jpg

http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100206/16/54571482201002061632501558237293574_016.jpg

http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100206/16/54571482201002061632501558237293574_015.jpg

http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100206/16/54571482201002061632501558237293574_014.jpg

http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100206/16/54571482201002061632501558237293574_009.jpg

http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100206/16/54571482201002061632501558237293574_001.jpg

http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100206/16/54571482201002061632501558237293574_003.jpg

nice update:) what are those big vertical yellow rods btw?

@ z0rg no spire . Now i am again worried .Will this be 646 mts Cause it was so with the spire .

^^ It has a spire in this render though
http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100206/16/54571482201002061632501558237293574_001.jpg

nice up date...

Bouhhh, I am just coming back from around PingAn construction site and I took all the pictures of the new walls! I was so glad to think I would be the first one to share them.... but z0rg and MCXM are definitely too fast....
But...............
This MCXM forgot to took these pictures...

On this one we can see that they write that the height will be.... >450m...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2698/4343256802_fc3a69d1fc_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620/4343256054_37653ef2cd_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2709/4343255708_7f21716aa7_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/4343253130_b14788a105_b.jpg

In my opinion they will release the spire at the vers last moment so that nobody will try to start a higher building before the completion.

And surprisingly on the rendering of the top floors you don't see the all top of the building... If they wanted to put here a nice rendering they would have done a good and detailed drawing of the top of the building, instead they just cut it...

yay! :banana: thanks Yann and MCFXM

The last render posted by YannSZ is stunning, with that glass cascade on the huge podium, lovely concept!

I am still sure it'll have the spire anyway. You can even see it in this render as I said in my prev post :D
http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100206/16/54571482201002061632501558237293574_001.jpg

February 9 by MCFXM
http://image155.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100209/17/54571482201002091729371305064411238_003.jpg

The last render posted by YannSZ is stunning, with that glass cascade on the huge podium, lovely concept!

I am still sure it'll have the spire anyway. You can even see it in this render as I said in my prev post :D
http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100206/16/54571482201002061632501558237293574_001.jpg

This does not show any spire whatsoever Z0rg but a small protrusion . Even the picture posted by Yannsz clearly shows that there is no spire . Also barbaric was telling me yesterday that this is old news and the new height is revised to 577 metres.:ohno:

They shouldn't have released a render with a spire if they weren't going to end up having one.

They shouldn't have released a render with a spire if they weren't going to end up having one.

They need renders to choose which design they shud build right?

^^ true, but it saves us the disappointment

Forget the spire, I would like to know if the South (lower) Tower is getting built. I'm very doubtful, and I think it should be removed from the title.

pretty sure it will be built, why wouldnt it?

Well because it's some unknown developers and designers building a 2,000+ foot tower in a lesser known city in China. I'm plenty skeptical as well.

Well because it's some unknown developers and designers building a 2,000+ foot tower in a lesser known city in China. I'm plenty skeptical as well.

Now you are just trolling KPF is the architect.

and Pignan Insurance limited is the second largest insurance firm in China.

Well because it's some unknown developers and designers building a 2,000+ foot tower in a lesser known city in China. I'm plenty skeptical as well.

I think hes jealous that his own favorite 2000ft+ tower Chicago spire got cancelled, lol.

This does not show any spire whatsoever Z0rg but a small protrusion . Even the picture posted by Yannsz clearly shows that there is no spire . Also barbaric was telling me yesterday that this is old news and the new height is revised to 577 metres.:ohno:

:) I respectfully disagree. For many reasons. I have to agree with z0rg.
See this:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4345179948_098c4e78cc_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4344440387_14d83074b3_o.jpg

Well Yann, we all wish and hope that it does have a spire and I do hope what you are saying is actually true

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4344440387_14d83074b3_o.jpg

:D

http://img2.agenow.com/User/0911/11/731110_13340833.jpg

pretty sure it will be built, why wouldnt it?

Because I'm not seeing it in the newer renders (ones that show the bigger tower both with and without the spire). Maybe it won't be started until the bigger building is completed? Who knows.

^^ Then what about these models that were erected alongside the construction site?


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620/4343256054_37653ef2cd_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2709/4343255708_7f21716aa7_b.jpg

I think the cost of erecting a 70 metre spire was initially underestimated .It might look cheap but actually erecting spires of such length on top of such huge structures is not really cheap . Even during the construction of Guangzhou tv tower . Even there the engineers saw problems with erecting a 100 meter spire on top of a 450 mt structure.. So there is a real chance that actually the guys at Pigan decided to drop the spire as it really adds nothing to the building but to just get it into the record books .Which Wuhan is anyway all set to break .

If pingan is not built with the spire then im going to cry:(

so shall all of us dear

just how hard is it to erect a building and add a spire? its just adding a spire!

just how hard is it to erect a building and add a spire? its just adding a spire!
Hard as putting and secure a gigant steel structure on a building hundreds of meters high.

ex:
Burj Dubai Spire ~ 350 tonnes
Taipei101 Spire ~150 tonnes

Not so easy as we think. And this spire look wery thick... :)

Imagine holding a rod while standing on a chair . You will realise .It is hard to balance the thin long rod. SO basically if you have a 577 meters tall building You basically cant just tie the rod with ropes at the top .It has to be extended through solid foundation.

Infact During the guangzhou tv tower construction on the stability expeirments they did . They found the weak link to be the spire . Which could fall off due to high speed winds or earth quakes and they had to make lot of changes to design in order to ensure the planned spire could be executed.

Imagine holding a rod while standing on a chair . You will realise .It is hard to balance the thin long rod. SO basically if you have a 577 meters tall building You basically cant just tie the rod with ropes at the top .It has to be extended through solid foundation.
They have to change (reinforce) the structure up to the last floor.

And is not that thin as it look. Is like 69m long and 6m wide at the base and 3m on the top. More or less like 5 trucks on top of eachoter, with more of them at the base... I would guess @250 tonnes (including the part inside the building).

Now you are just trolling KPF is the architect.

and Pignan Insurance limited is the second largest insurance firm in China.

Well I wouldn't know either of that, and it looks nothing like a KPF design. Not trolling at all. After the Burji Dubai debacle any tower over 2000 feet I will remain skeptical on.

Well I wouldn't know either of that, and it looks nothing like a KPF design. Not trolling at all. After the Burji Dubai debacle any tower over 2000 feet I will remain skeptical on.

Burj Dubai a debacle? I suppose so, to a degree. Expensive, Yes. Over budget, Yes. Construction delays, Yes.

But I defy you to find any supertall buildings that didn't have problems during construction/development/leasing. ESB was less than 25% leased for its first 15 years. The Twin Towers were grossly over budget. Sears Tower had to be sold off and vacted by Sears Roebuck. Resididential sales at the John Hancock Tower in Chicago were very slow after completion. As our the Trump Tower Chicago's right now. Taipei 101 was slow to lease up. SWFC is only 20-40% leased at the moment. And on and on.

Residences at the Burj Dubai sold extremely well. Whether those sales close is another question. Supertalls are tough cookies. If they were easy, every city in the world would have em.

Burj Dubai a debacle? I suppose so, to a degree. Expensive, Yes. Over budget, Yes. Construction delays, Yes.

But I defy you to find any supertall buildings that didn't have problems during construction/development/leasing. ESB was less than 25% leased for its first 15 years. The Twin Towers were grossly over budget. Sears Tower had to be sold off and vacted by Sears Roebuck. Resididential sales at the John Hancock Tower in Chicago were very slow after completion. As our the Trump Tower Chicago's right now. Taipei 101 was slow to lease up. SWFC is only 20-40% leased at the moment. And on and on.

Residences at the Burj Dubai sold extremely well. Whether those sales close is another question. Supertalls are tough cookies. If they were easy, every city in the world would have em.

willis tower.... WILLIS, ITS BEEN RENAMED!

Burj Dubai a debacle? I suppose so, to a degree. Expensive, Yes. Over budget, Yes. Construction delays, Yes.

But I defy you to find any supertall buildings that didn't have problems during construction/development/leasing. ESB was less than 25% leased for its first 15 years. The Twin Towers were grossly over budget. Sears Tower had to be sold off and vacted by Sears Roebuck. Resididential sales at the John Hancock Tower in Chicago were very slow after completion. As our the Trump Tower Chicago's right now. Taipei 101 was slow to lease up. SWFC is only 20-40% leased at the moment. And on and on.

Residences at the Burj Dubai sold extremely well. Whether those sales close is another question. Supertalls are tough cookies. If they were easy, every city in the world would have em.

Those towers weren't 2000+ foot towers and were in cities that could eventually support them, I think there are still a lot of questions surrounding this project. I'll be interested to see if it goes all the way.

2,000 feet or 1,000 feet. Really doesn't matter. Anything over 1,000 ft is tough to fill up. Shenzhen has a population of 8 million. I'm sure it can find the rents. Regardless, it already has a large anchor tenant. What would be more shocking is if this tower didn't have any problems. Cause most supertalls do.

2,000 feet or 1,000 feet. Really doesn't matter. Anything over 1,000 ft is tough to fill up. Shenzhen has a population of 8 million. I'm sure it can find the rents. Regardless, it already has a large anchor tenant. What would be more shocking is if this tower didn't have any problems. Cause most supertalls do.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=558031&page=19

On hold now, case in point. This project is a little too out there as well I think. If it was being built in Shanghai or Hong Kong I could understand, but a much lesser financially significant city is going to be a big stretch. These things are costly. I’ll remain skeptical until I see it more than half way up.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=558031&page=19

On hold now, case in point. This project is a little too out there as well I think. If it was being built in Shanghai or Hong Kong I could understand, but a much lesser financially significant city is going to be a big stretch. These things are costly. I’ll remain skeptical until I see it more than half way up.

just cus u dont know or never heard of Shenzhen doesnt mean this is some poor place, K?
shenzhen is one of the richest cities in china and I think it has the highest income per person or something similar to that

The city is irrelevant. SWFC was built Shanghai and was on hold for years half-way thru construction. The Spire in Chicago is on hold and probably dead. Russia Tower was to be built in Moscow and got cancelled. 2 and 3WTC are on hold in NYC. Those are some of the richest cities in the world.

Towers can fail ANYWHERE.

The city is irrelevant. SWFC was built Shanghai and was on hold for years half-way thru construction. The Spire in Chicago is on hold and probably dead. Russia Tower was to be built in Moscow and got cancelled. 2 and 3WTC are on hold in NYC. Those are some of the richest cities in the world.

Towers can fail ANYWHERE.

And the chances of them failing in this city are far higher than the cities you just mentioned.

And the chances of them failing in this city are far higher than the cities you just mentioned.

Point taken.

Shenzhen already has a supertall, another half done, and this one on the way. I think this one will be just fine.

Point taken.

Shenzhen already has a supertall, another half done, and this one on the way. I think this one will be just fine.

Over 2,000 feet chief, think about it.

^^ Yeah chief .It is going up and you have to come to terms with reality :nuts:

Oh dear Onn has infected this thread too.

Here's a song for you and [insert deity] bless you.

VkmEZs_Kcms

EDIT: misread spectre000's post, sorry mate. ;)

:sly:

Shenzhen is a special economic zone, if there were to be any city in China that could withstand the Financial Crisis, Shenzhen would be one of them.

I think many of us is glad that Tianjin117 is on hold.... gives them more time to think about changing the design of the tower... this one doesn't (well only the spire on/off part)

SWFC was started in 1997, during the Asian Financial Crisis and when China's economy wasn't that dominant/steady and its main investors being from Japan

Shanghai and HK are financial powerhouses and so are Guangzhou City and Shenzhen

Struggling to find tenants? There are buildings in Perth (Australia) that are barely over 100meters that are struggling to find tenants, so this problem occurs in all cities. But when there is demand for office space, Shenzhen will have plenty, enough for transitions.

'whether it will be built or not?' that would be a line i would use when I'm referring to this tower's spire!!!

This quote might bring some enlightenment to a certain person


I have lived and worked in Shenzhen for 23 years and have NEVER felt even remotely threatened. I have never been robbed. Taxi drivers never try to cheat me. Physically it is a VERY safe city.

It is also not some wild West factory town. Its official population is fourteen million making it the third most populous city in China. Unlike Shanghai and Beijing which have large rural populations, every one of the fourteen million Shenzheners is classified urban.

It is China's richest city with mile after mile of tree-lined middle class suburbs where people live around beautiful tropical gardens. It has a higher proportion of parks and gardens than any Chinese city other than Dongguan.

It is a major financial centre. China's largest financial institution, Ping An, is based in Shenzhen. Two of China's six listed banks are based in Shenzhen. Forty per cent of China's mutual funds are managed from Shenzhen. Shenzhen Airlines is China's largest private airline. HQ and R&D of two of the world's top ten electronics companies, Hua Wei and ZTE are based in Shenzhen. One of China's two stock exchanges is in Shenzhen. China's largest real estate developer, Vanke, is based in Shenzhen.

All of the above demonstrates why Shenzhen is such a magnet for immigrants and tourists from all over China and why it is one of the world's great skyscraper cities

Back on topic please, guys. Onn's thankfully been banned now.

This building will be built. Guangdong province has 90+ million people or about 1/3 of the population of the US. They will need a few more of these 2000 feet buildings.

Nobody builds a 2000 foot skyscraper because they need space for people. If all they needed was space, they could fill up the intire city with 800 foot highrises. Usually supertalls are mainly ego projections.

Yeah i hope their ego is good enough to get this done . As i really want to see this standing 2119 ft tall.

^^Well, the city would look boring and dull if all the buildings were the same height. I think this is part of the planned cbd that shenzhen had, so it wouldn't really be a surprise that the building be tall, maybe just not this tall.

02-09http://image155.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100209/17/54571482201002091729371305064411238_003.jpg

very nice picture....can see the progress its running now...

What are those yellow columns?

^^ Cement silos

wow thats cool

Looking forward to when they were built, the fans will be shrouded in a.

02-19http://image155.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100220/19/54571482201002201934532556047821649_008.jpg

http://image155.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100220/19/54571482201002201934532556047821649_007.jpghttp://image155.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100220/19/54571482201002201934532556047821649_006.jpg

http://image155.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100220/19/54571482201002201934532556047821649_005.jpghttp://image155.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100220/19/54571482201002201934532556047821649_004.jpghttp://image155.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100220/19/54571482201002201934532556047821649_003.jpg

http://image155.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100220/19/54571482201002201934532556047821649_002.jpghttp://image155.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100220/19/54571482201002201934532556047821649_000.jpg

^^thanks for uploading, MCFXM!
(but you don't need those [IMG]-"buttons" btw)
:cheers:

fantastic updates 10x

impressive project.

没注意有IMG，当然深刻了，我们等了好久了。

It's always great when these great projects are done to think back to these humble beginnings. :)

没注意有IMG,当然深刻了,我们等了好久了。

Thanks a lot dude :hug:
i know i sound like a prick but could you please use google translator and post in english . PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Keep up the good work man

glad to see the progress has run....

MCFXM please keep posting your latest photos here on this site as well! :)

2010-03-01

http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100301/16/54571482201003011620213622049442322_003.jpg

http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100301/16/54571482201003011620213622049442322_002.jpg

http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100301/16/54571482201003011620213622049442322_001.jpg

http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100301/16/54571482201003011620213622049442322_000.jpg

This will be an impressive tower. It looks really cool. :)

jeez.... this is goign to take a longggggggg time

omg im about to cry...:( apparently its only going to be 588m :(:(:(:(:( (heard from another forum)

only 588m? will be 4th tallest?

over 500m-
burj dubai-828m
Shanghai tower-632m UC
mecca hotel-591m UC
PIFC-588m UC
freedom tower-541m UC
Pentominium-516m UC
qatar NAB-510m UC?
taipei 101-508m
al qud tower-500m UC?

I am still guessing they will add the spire at the very end, I would bet on it.

I am still guessing they will add the spire at the very end, I would bet on it. I hope youre right.... i really really do

I am still guessing they will add the spire at the very end, I would bet on it.


I would be surprised if they don't. They just want to attract less attention。

If the design is the same, I bet at the end they will add the spire, too.

More renders... with spire.
http://www.thorntontomasetti.com/projects/ping_an_international_finance_center

http://s3.amazonaws.com/thornton/project_content_images/6345/pingAn_3_zoom.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/thornton/project_content_images/6349/pingAn_2_zoom.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/thornton/project_content_images/6341/pingAn_1_zoom.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/thornton/project_content_images/6353/pingAn_4_zoom.jpg

Love it. Is there really as much greenery in Shenzhen or is the render inaccurate?

^^ Yes there is, it's the second greenest city in the country :D

hmm, which city holds no 1? Are the renders more recent than the previous ones? I'm questioning because they haven't put much detail on the second tower

This one must have an spire. Without him, I can't even imagine it.

the rendering picture its great...its remind me= empire state building at NY...

hmm, which city holds no 1?

Dongguan is number 1, measured on green space per urbanised area.

March 10

http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100310/15/54571482201003101503213191909920195_001.jpg

Bouhhh, I am just coming back from around PingAn construction site and I took all the pictures of the new walls! I was so glad to think I would be the first one to share them.... but z0rg and MCXM are definitely too fast....
But...............
This MCXM forgot to took these pictures...

On this one we can see that they write that the height will be.... >450m...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2698/4343256802_fc3a69d1fc_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620/4343256054_37653ef2cd_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2709/4343255708_7f21716aa7_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/4343253130_b14788a105_b.jpg

In my opinion they will release the spire at the vers last moment so that nobody will try to start a higher building before the completion.

Says 450m why are people still assuming 588?

Says 450m why are people still assuming 588?

you didn't see the they put >450M?

CTBUH

Floors: 115
Use: Office
Year: 2014
Height: 588m. (1,929ft.)

http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/index.php?do=building&building_id=54

It's nice to see more renders, but those renders are really crappy and not very professional looking.

this thread still says = 646m...with 115fl

ah those renders just above from zorg are the best pingan renders on this whole thread man. so slick.

what is it 646 probaly the second tallest in the world ! lol

are they working on the tower very fast or slow ? ?

if this 588 and you guy should change the title !

what is it 646 probaly the second tallest in the world ! lol

are they working on the tower very fast or slow ? ?

if this 588 and you guy should change the title !

There is a lot of activity on the construction site even during the evening! many machines and trucks!

honestly this building looks retarded without the spire

March 13 by MCFXM
http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100313/20/54571482200501010144572127214877211_001.jpg

http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100313/20/54571482200501010144572127214877211_000.jpg

nice up date progress...

http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100318/09/54571482201003180947062468377434122_001.jpg

http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100318/09/54571482201003180947062468377434122_000.jpg

Could someone expert explains the construction technic they use? It seems different that the usual digging and the making the pillars.

^^

The technique used here is making pillars and then digging ;)

^^

The technique used here is making pillars and then digging ;)

Mmmm thanks, I kind of figured this out, but could you be more specific? Advantages compare to other technic?

^^

The technique used here is making pillars and then digging ;)

What is the technique used by the Shanghai tower?

Could someone expert explains the construction technic they use? It seems different that the usual digging and the making the pillars.

I'm no expert so I hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong anywhere :-)


http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100318/09/54571482201003180947062468377434122_000.jpg

This white machine is digging the ground with a drill while a metallic caisson is being inserted. Once it's finished digging, a crane will come and lower the rebar for the reinforced concrete pile. After this is done, concrete is poured and the caisson is removed.

There can be two purposes, and probably both are happening at the same time here.
- contiguous piles are being laid down in a perimeter and will act as retaining walls for the basement excavation
- deep and regularly spaced piles that are bored down to rock layers and are the actual foundation piles. Those will be inside the perimeter defined by the retaining wall.

Once all this is finished, excavation of the basement will commence.
I hope it helps :-)

You can see the rebar cage for some piles on the left on this picture.

http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100318/09/54571482201003180947062468377434122_001.jpg

hmmm so how long till theres actually some gain in mgh, rather than just horizontal 1/2 mv^2

Thanks Pengui!

Pictures taken last sunday by myself:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2782/4456112799_7346b386ba_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2705/4456890018_ae85a1c2fa_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4456889684_fa09b2a2f2_b.jpg

nice up date,its glad can see the progress its running now..

nice pics, but when are they actauly gonna start stacking poles vertically

what is it 646 probaly the second tallest in the world ! lol

are they working on the tower very fast or slow ? ?

if this 588 and you guy should change the title !

probably higher than 646

How close is this to Shun Hing and Kingkey FCP?

Too far to be shot on the same skyline picture :)
Shun Hing and Kingkey could be on the same building family picture, but not PingAn.

All we need is a right vantage point and all the towers (E Pacific, Merchants, Ping'an, Excellence Century, Hon Kwok, SEG, Feng Long, Kingkey, Shun Hing) can all be in one single pano.
And it appears the best vantage points are actually in Hong Kong - on some of the small hills just across the river.



This is from Google street view HK taken from Sham Wan

v Merchants v _________________________________________________________________________________________________ v Ping'an goes here v ________ v SEG v _______ v Kingkey + Shun Hing v
http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p340/Dalianon/d5f7e62d.jpg



This is taken near the Lok Ma Chau check point

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ v E Pacific + Merchants v ____________________________________________________________ v Ping'an + Excellence Century v _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________v Hon Kwok v ________________________________ v SEG v ________________________________________ v Feng Long v ________________________________________________ v Kingkey + Shun Hing v
http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p340/Dalianon/572aa3dc.jpg



This is taken on the hills further east near Sheung Shui. In this one, even the Great China International Trade Center can be included

_____________________________________________ v E Pacific v _ v Ping'an v ___________________________________v SEG v ____________________________________________ v Kingkey + Shun Hing v ____________________________ v Great China v
http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p340/Dalianon/48214ef0.jpg


p.s. late reply I know, I too didn't think it was possible to have them in the same photo.

This tower will be completed in 2015 and it's probably only going to be 588 meters.

WOw this is probaly Second tallest in the world ! 646meter taller than shanghai tower ! !

This tower will be completed in 2015 and it's probably only going to be 588 meters.

Haha..."only" 588 meters.

This tower will be completed in 2015 and it's probably only going to be 588 meters.

i think you guessed the last digit only !:banana:

From nddaily.com

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p340/Dalianon/11463c4e.jpg

Wouah this is a bad picture! Nice view but horrible quality!

^^ Yeah I've zoomed in a bit to focus on the plot. You can see the original quality here

http://www.nddaily.com/mnews/360/zhuanti/sz/201003/t20100330_1119035.shtml

nddaily did this 360 degree aerial photography all over Shenzhen, I'm trying to save as much of it as possible before they take it off.

The unobscured plot right in front is for the 307m side tower. The main tower is on the obscured plot to the right.

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p340/Dalianon/ca483d27.jpg

360 view
http://www.nddaily.com/mnews/360/zhuanti/sz/201003/t20100330_1119037.shtml

Wow! Thanks for the 360 degree panorama. Absolutely stunning. A great view of a amazing city.