Since we all are of Pak. origin but our Pak. info might not be that great as most of us lived & studied abroad, why not share our knowledge of everything Pakistani.

Here is the first question to tickle your mind.

Inaddition to Dawn, what was the other main newspaper that Quaid-e-Azam founded, thats still in print in Pakistan?

The clock is ticking....

Time limit: 48 hours

jung

No, jang's founder was Mir Khalil-ur-Rehman.

I'll make it really easy. The newspaper that claims Jinnah founded it, is neither in English nor in Urdu. Go figure!

I think its Daily Vatan, a gujrati newspaper.

I think he started a Gujrati paper.

I had given it away by saying its not urdu or English but you still didn't name it.

Its call Watan, for mostly Pakistan Gujrati memon community.

http://www.dailyvatan.com/

Next question: Who can name the first wife of Quaid-e-Azam?

Really easy, so Time Limit : 24 HRS

Emibai! YAY! :cheer:


What'd I win What'd I win?!?!?

Pakia-your avatar is like a police sketch--Bihar's most wanted

^^ I wanted yours but it was taken. O well!

Oogabooga let me check with all my stolen loot....






* walks outside to his car with no plates*




....




* suddenly gets his head slammed on the auto and get handcuffed*


Oops Moved-on got me arrested. Now you'll have to wait...




till I escape again.

Sine you got arrested, police would put take you in on their GEELI, and we live happily ever after

Emibai! YAY! :cheer:


What'd I win What'd I win?!?!?
Paguma's thongs.

Paguma's thongs.

what's up with you guys and thongs. Is this some kind of secret fetish you got!:ohno:

Paguma's thongs.

YAY!



:rofl:

Their Geely broke down and I escaped again. So before this thread qualify for BS one, here is another question.

Did you know that Quaid-e-Azam's birthday was incorrect on his school certificate that only got corrected when he was going abroad.

Who can tell what was the date as his birthday on his school certificate, before it got corrected to Dec. 25, 1886?

Time Limit: Till I get arrested again!

^^ All i can say is that in this case, more than half of the population follows the example.

^^ V. good point. I guess when Quaid can get his papers screwed up in Karachi, what can we expect.

So here is the answer to the blunder.

Karachi papers stated that he was born on Oct. 20, 1875 at Wazir Mansion which was corrected much later.

http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=jinnah+birthday&fr=yfp-t-471&u=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinnah&w=jinnah+birthday&d=Rgk-zf4-PXn_&icp=1&.intl=us

Here is another question though?

What was Pakistan's population according to its first census in 1948 (not incl. East wing)?

Round about 17 million....just a guess!

Well you're absolutely correct.

Now we're 165 million strong and growing exponentially with only 60 million above the age of 21.

Can you imagine what would happen in just another generation time when these 100 million people start spewing out babies??

SCARY, Isn't it??

Invest in my condom factories then!

^^UP we were expecting good news soon. Tune tou dil hi tod diya

Invest in my condom factories then!
I remember when Iodine Salt was first introduced, people thought it would neuter the guys and was a ploy to curb population growth.

:rofl:

What year Fatima Jinnah ran for elections against Gen. Ayub Khan?

Had she won, she would have been one of the first women prime ministers of the world.

The elections were widely perceived to be rigged esp. in Karachi where she was very popular but lost while she won some seats even in then East Pakistan. :ohno:

What year Fatima Jinnah ran for elections against Gen. Ayub Khan?

Had she won, she would have been one of the first women prime ministers of the world.

The elections were widely perceived to be rigged esp. in Karachi where she was very popular but lost while she won some seats even in then East Pakistan. :ohno:
She ran for elections on January 2, 1965...

I have a book on this if you want any further information.:)

She ran for elections on January 2, 1965...

I have a book on this if you want any further information.:)
Lovely! Now they are exchanging books.

:tongue3:

I remember when Iodine Salt was first introduced, people thought it would neuter the guys and was a ploy to curb population growth.

Also one of my neighbors tried not to use this salt ever--religiously, they got 9 kids. He always talks about these salts and their effects. Sala harami

Who knows the location of this cafe where you can sit, drink coffee, read books & even have snacks. The only kind in Pakistan.
http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/khunjerab_2000/khunjerab16.jpg

:cheer:

:crazy:^^

^^ V. good point. I guess when Quaid can get his papers screwed up in Karachi, what can we expect.

So here is the answer to the blunder.

Karachi papers stated that he was born on Oct. 20, 1875 at Wazir Mansion which was corrected much later.

http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=jinnah+birthday&fr=yfp-t-471&u=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinnah&w=jinnah+birthday&d=Rgk-zf4-PXn_&icp=1&.intl=us

Here is another question though?

What was Pakistan's population according to its first census in 1948 (not incl. East wing)?

Round about 17 million....just a guess!

Well you're absolutely correct.

Now we're 165 million strong and growing exponentially with only 60 million above the age of 21.

Can you imagine what would happen in just another generation time when these 100 million people start spewing out babies??

SCARY, Isn't it??

Thanks to my photographic memory! Read the figure somewhere and it just stuck in my mind! :banana: :banana:

Who knows the location of this cafe where you can sit, drink coffee, read books & even have snacks. The only kind in Pakistan.
http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/khunjerab_2000/khunjerab16.jpg

I would say that this cafe is in Islamabad and to be more precise, it is probably in some diplomatic mission/enclave. :yes:

Round about 17 million....just a guess!

Can you confirm this figure? I am pretty sure it was 34 million.

..edit) found this graph on official pak statistics website:
Figure 1.3: Population of Pakistan (1901-2002) from Census
http://www.pap.org.pk/statistics/PopGrowth.gif
Population Association of Pakistan (http://www.pap.org.pk/statistics/population.htm#fig1.3)

..the figure of 17million most closely resembles the number of people that left India for Pakistan during the migration. i read the figure at 13 million.

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Question,
Why wasn't a census conducted in the early 90's?

Who knows the location of this cafe where you can sit, drink coffee, read books & even have snacks. The only kind in Pakistan.
http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/khunjerab_2000/khunjerab16.jpg
I can't see the pic. But why do you say it's the only one of its kind in Pakistan?

Can you confirm this figure? I am pretty sure it was 34 million.


It could be but no denying now that Pak. population is out of whack. Something needs to be done fast, like yesterday!!

Mr. Oogabooga, its not Islamabad or any other major city.

Mr. SiamuRathka its one of a kind because no bookstore in Pakistan generally let you sit in the store eating, drinking and reading books without buying first. It only happens generally in bbokstore chains like Barnes& Noble etc.

Try reloading pic. I thought it was interesting esp. happening in a very small town.

I still can't see it. Upload it somewhere else, please?

The reason I said what I said was because there's a cafe in Karachi - Second Floor Cafe, which is specifically made so that people can come in there and read.

Didn't about the one in KHI but this one in Hunza is way too cool, being environment friendly & all.
Here are some more pics from it.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/89/282640419_90cc1c1cf6.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/359861914_8f7d743669_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/359861915_54934dc751_b.jpg
The waiters
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/54516260_7640bcc50e.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/93/215163804_8cff08b243.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1175/1221102827_a0fac52840_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/92/282644558_0e14ca311c_b.jpg
Thelma's brainwave: buying walnut cake from the Cafe de Hunza, to share at lunch

Can you confirm this figure? I am pretty sure it was 34 million.

..edit) found this graph on official pak statistics website:
Figure 1.3: Population of Pakistan (1901-2002) from Census
http://www.pap.org.pk/statistics/PopGrowth.gif
Population Association of Pakistan (http://www.pap.org.pk/statistics/population.htm#fig1.3)

..the figure of 17million most closely resembles the number of people that left India for Pakistan during the migration. i read the figure at 13 million.

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Question,
Why wasn't a census conducted in the early 90's?


You're probably right about Pak's pop at Independence. I can't be bothered to confirm or object to the figure provided by you. But there is no way in hell that 13 million people migrated to Pak from India in 1947 as, as far as I can remember from my geography lessons in Pak. The figure was said to be 6 million for Paksitan and 7 million for India.

A census wasn't conducted in the early 90s as the immature, stupid and selfish provinces of Pakistan couldn't agree on how the census should be conducted and what the criteria should be. Thats why it was delayed till 1998 and thats why all the next censuses will be conducted on the 8th year of the decade unless there is another cock up like in 1991 or 1971 (when the census was delayed to 1972, due to the war.)

I had a feeling it'd be in Hunza! Looks damn good (and I don't like books). Would visit if I ever go there.

I had a feeling it'd be in Hunza! Looks damn good (and I don't like books). Would visit if I ever go there.



WHAT! :shocked:


How can you not like books? Why is this attitude towards books so prevalent in Pakistan? We seriously need to nurture a book-reading culture! :ohno:

WHAT! :shocked:


How can you not like books? Why is this attitude towards books so prevalent in Pakistan? We seriously need to nurture a book-reading culture! :ohno:
Nothing against books. I wish I could read books, but I can';t. The reason hasn't got anything to do with books per se. i just can't do anything that requires time and patience. I get disheartened to see that I'm on page 2 and there are about 400 more to go. Secondly, I've never found a posture in which I can read books without any part of my body feeling uncomfy. I know that sounds stupid, but that's a major reason. The ability to read books is one of my biggest wishes.

Nothing against books. I wish I could read books, but I can';t. The reason hasn't got anything to do with books per se. i just can't do anything that requires time and patience. I get disheartened to see that I'm on page 2 and there are about 400 more to go. Secondly, I've never found a posture in which I can read books without any part of my body feeling uncomfy. I know that sounds stupid, but that's a major reason. The ability to read books is one of my biggest wishes.

Same here! I will only invest my time and be patient if I'm passionate about the subject. Otherwise forget it!

Same here! I will only invest my time and be patient if I'm passionate about the subject. Otherwise forget it!

Im pretty sure they sell titles on hair care and kareena kapoor somewhere in london? :?















































































(if you failed to detect the undercurrent of sarcasm in the above then your a retard)

Kareena Kapoor? Bad choice.

Nothing against books. I wish I could read books, but I can';t. The reason hasn't got anything to do with books per se. i just can't do anything that requires time and patience. I get disheartened to see that I'm on page 2 and there are about 400 more to go. Secondly, I've never found a posture in which I can read books without any part of my body feeling uncomfy. I know that sounds stupid, but that's a major reason. The ability to read books is one of my biggest wishes.

Your right! There is absolutely no position in which you can comfortably read a book but that shouldnt discourage one from reading! Its the thrill and the suspense of the book that keeps you glued to it regardless of the condition in which your in. And if you become impatient with the book then it means that the book doesnt interest you, because if you were interested in the book then you would never become impatient! :yes:

So I would recommend that you start reading with some nice text-porno. :yes:

Your right! There is absolutely no position in which you can comfortably read a book but that shouldnt discourage one from reading! Its the thrill and the suspense of the book that keeps you glued to it regardless of the condition in which your in. And if you become impatient with the book then it means that the book doesnt interest you, because if you were interested in the book then you would never become impatient! :yes:

So I would recommend that you start reading with some nice text-porno. :yes:

That cracked me up! You NERD. "Thrill" and "Suspense" :hilarious

Kareena Kapoor? Bad choice.

Mithun Chakraborty? :dunno:

That cracked me up! You NERD. "Thrill" and "Suspense" :hilarious

I presume you've never read a Dan Brown novel?

:ohno:

I presume you've never read a Dan Brown novel?

:ohno:

The only book that I've managed to successfully finish was one about South Asian immigration to the UK. It was a proper fat book and had hundreds of pages, but because I was passionate about the topic, I finished the book in like less than a week.

Well then why are you even part of this discussion? Go post some trash in the Jukebox thread! :sly:







oh wait.....you just did.

I presume you've never read a Dan Brown novel?

:ohno:

Ive read all of them :banana:

^^ Ofcourse there is always books-on-tape or CD that anybody can listen to anywhere, anytime.

I 'read' Kite Runner on my 9-hr drive to Savannah this Xmas. Loved it and on the way back Midnight in the Garden of Good & evil. Both highly recommended.

Your right! There is absolutely no position in which you can comfortably read a book but that shouldnt discourage one from reading! Its the thrill and the suspense of the book that keeps you glued to it regardless of the condition in which your in. And if you become impatient with the book then it means that the book doesnt interest you, because if you were interested in the book then you would never become impatient! :yes:

So I would recommend that you start reading with some nice text-porno. :yes:
I don't think you can get engrossed in a novel/book by just reading the first page.

the last time i read a novel was in highschool. even then i did not really read.. the teacher & other students read it while i followed along (sometimes). i hate novels, straight up. those novels eventually became my favourite because.. well.. those are the only ones i ever read :D

Where is this 5000 years old fort (ruins) located in Pakistan, its oldest.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/23/Slk_Fort_Ruines.jpg/800px-Slk_Fort_Ruines.jpg

This structure doesn't look 5000 years old to me!

While I'm at it

http://www.pakistan.gov.pk/divisions/interior-division/images/header.jpg

Who's this guy? I don't know myself, so it's a question. I found this pic on www.pakistan.gov.pk

@ if it is 5000yrs old, it has to be either harappa or moenjodaro.

@Umais: no idea

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Sialkot_Fort_Sketch.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Slk_Fort_Ruines2.jpg

I AGREE IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT OLD TO ME EITHER BUT THATS WHAT IT SAID. FASEEL=BOUNDRY WALL
( Its probably couple of thousands years old though)

One of the most ancient cities of Pakistan (5000 years), Sialkot has an historical importance for having this one of the oldest fort in Pakistan. Known historian Diayas Jee has recorded in his book that Hindu Raja Sálbán had re-established the Sialkot city about 2nd century AD and ruled over the area that fell between the rivers Ravi and Chenab. Sálbán had built the Sialkot Fort (having double wall then) for the defense of the city. Raja Sálbán deputed more than 10000 laborers and masons for the repairing and widening of this fort with huge-sized stone slabs and rocks brought here from Pathankot. This work completed in a stipulated period of two years, having two huge walls and 12 bastions in this ancient Sialkot fort. Raja Salbahan had a great respect for her wife,Rani Achchran and loved her very much. He built a very attractive palace for her which was (approximately) 9 square miles in area near Roras (Ugoki) and was designed and constructed by architects and engineers from Greece. A wonderful road was built from the Fort to Rani Achchran's palace (Present Sahabpura Road in Sialkot). During 1179 to 1186 Shahab ud-Din Ghori occupied Lahore and Sindh. With the help of king of Jammu, he occupied the fort of Sialkot.

The late Rashid Niaz, another historian who has authored Tareekh-i-Sialkot, wrote that the second wall of the ancient Sialkot Fort was discovered by the then Sialkot Municipal Corporation in 1923 while carrying out digging for installations in various parts of the city. At that time, archaeology experts from Taxila and Delhi visited Sialkot and confirmed that the stone-made faseel was 5,000 years old. Later, that wall was re-buried (in soil).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sialkot_Fort



Sealkote Fort, 1862 sketch by A. H. Hope Wedderburn (1823-1900)At present, just few ruines including a bastion has been left.The provincial archaeology department of Punjab and the district administration have left the historical Sialkot Fort to rot as among many ills plaguing it is growing number of encroachments which have become a blot on its face. Offices of the district government a are located on the fort premises, but none of the officials concerned seems willing to improve the lot of the centuries-old building.

Ah. I was just about to say Sialkot.

Funny how threads come back to life after being moved to the archives.

Funny how threads come back to life after being moved to the archives.

We do it just to mess with you! :lol:

^^ Yeah we do it to play with your head, pun intended.
http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/taftan_plantak_2005/DSCN0178.jpg

That reminds me can noone guess why this building in Pakistan has a skull sitting in its window??? HINT: ITS A TOMB....BUT WHY, WHERE, WHOSE! Questions remain!
http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/taftan_plantak_2005/Galuga-62.jpg

^^ Notice another one of this, back in the distance.

Go ahead say whats on your mind. I have sense of humor, or atleast I think I do.

Question,
Why wasn't a census conducted in the early 90's?

The 1998 Population and Housing Census was initially planned to be undertaken in March, 1991 but could not be held as scheduled mainly due to apprehension about lack of consensus among the provinces on dates, methodology, etc. The apprehension arose out of the linkage of census figures with political and economic rights of the provinces as laid down in the Constitution of Pakistan.

^^ Like I said before, our STUPID provinces were to blame.

http://www.unsiap.or.jp/completed_prog/workshop/ms/ms5/pakistan_census.pdf

"The Government of Pakistan has decided to hold the next census in October 2008."

^^ This is also where I got the info about the month the census would take place. Don't know exactly about the dates though.

Thanks traPPed.

^^ Notice another one of this, back in the distance.

Go ahead say whats on your mind. I have sense of humor, or atleast I think I do.

I thought about these pics for an hour, and I can only conclude that they are Alexandrian tombs, or Mongol (who never came this far south).

Located in Galuga, in the district of Kharan, in Balochistan.

You have any detailed info on this structure?

Thanks traPPed.

I thought about these pics for an hour, and I can only conclude that they are Alexandrian tombs, or Mongol (who never came this far south).

Located in Galuga, in the district of Kharan, in Balochistan.

You have any detailed info on this structure?

You're absolutely right but I don't know much else about it. Wish there was some research done on such stuff and such places are secured so as not to be vandalized and destroyed.

This whole area is called Naza-e-Sultan. Pics thanks to OffroadClubPakistan, from Karachi.

http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/neza_e_sultan/F1030007.jpg

http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/neza_e_sultan/F1030003.jpg

http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/neza_e_sultan/F1020013.jpg

http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/neza_e_sultan/F1000062.jpg

http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/neza_e_sultan/F1030017.jpg

http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/neza_e_sultan/F1000022.jpg

What type of architecture does it look like? I had a long debate with a friend about these pics. He said it was Islamic architecture (i.e. the dome, arches), but it cannot be, because Muslims are obligued to bury their dead, not leave them on the ground. Add to that, why would anyone build tombs in the middle of nowhere? This is why I think it was somebody from Alexander's army or empire.

I don't know why, but I have become very curious about this structure.

It's not that hard to find, really. Just do some DNA testing. How much does it cost?

What type of architecture does it look like? I had a long debate with a friend about these pics. He said it was Islamic architecture (i.e. the dome, arches), but it cannot be, because Muslims are obligued to bury their dead, not leave them on the ground. Add to that, why would anyone build tombs in the middle of nowhere? This is why I think it was somebody from Alexander's army or empire.

I don't know why, but I have become very curious about this structure.

You think that maybe it could be a Zoroarstrian tomb? Now correct me if I'm wrong but dont Zoroarstrians let the bodies decompose and let the vultures pick on them and then they take the bones and put them in a tomb or something? I believe that their religion preaches that everything that comes from the earth must go back into it so they do this by feeding their dead to the scavenger birds inorder to become a part of the foodchain again, or something.

Yeah most likely Zorastian's burial places. They may not be older than few centuries as the muslim-influenced domes indicate.

But yeah someone should do a DNA testing and do some research, if none has already been done.

Goes to show how much we know of the land we call homeland.

:bowtie:

Goes to show how much we know of the land we call homeland.

Not again! :ohno:

You think that maybe it could be a Zoroarstrian tomb? Now correct me if I'm wrong but dont Zoroarstrians let the bodies decompose and let the vultures pick on them and then they take the bones and put them in a tomb or something? I believe that their religion preaches that everything that comes from the earth must go back into it so they do this by feeding their dead to the scavenger birds inorder to become a part of the foodchain again, or something.
Where did he say Zoroastrian?

^^ Nowhere, just guessing from the pics, as thats what Zorastians do. Leave their deads on high places or in tombs on plains for vultures.

You know something more, please do tell.

Where did he say Zoroastrian?

He didnt, I was just presenting an idea that occurred to me. I had a Zoroarstrian friend once and she told me all that I know about that religion. :yes:

You think that maybe it could be a Zoroarstrian tomb? Now correct me if I'm wrong but dont Zoroarstrians let the bodies decompose and let the vultures pick on them and then they take the bones and put them in a tomb or something? I believe that their religion preaches that everything that comes from the earth must go back into it so they do this by feeding their dead to the scavenger birds inorder to become a part of the foodchain again, or something.

Perhaps you are right. Never thought of that. But note that all the skulls in the pictures are damaged/broken/smashed, which normally indicates that the body had been abused when alive (i.e. stabbed in the head - see hole in the skull). I don't see a single perfect skull in the pics, and the bones are all over the place, instead of being attached to each other & laying down neatly (i.e. disrespectful way of treating the dead). I don't think vultures or any other birds are capable of ripping/breaking bones & smashing skulls. However, this all could've been done by accident over the ages or simply by the walls/ceiling bricks collapsing.

Proper testing could reveal how old these bones are, and only then we could know who they really are.

Zoroastrian theory seems to be the case most likely. These people are called Parsis in the sub-continent, if I'm not mistaken. I know there are many Parsis in India, but not sure about Pakistan. Ethnically, they are Persians.

Perhaps you are right. Never thought of that. But note that all the skulls in the pictures are damaged/broken/smashed, which normally indicates that the body had been abused when alive (i.e. stabbed in the head - see hole in the skull). I don't see a single perfect skull in the pics, and the bones are all over the place, instead of being attached to each other & laying down neatly (i.e. disrespectful way of treating the dead). I don't think vultures or any other birds are capable of ripping/breaking bones & smashing skulls. However, this all could've been done by accident over the ages or simply by the walls/ceiling bricks collapsing.

Proper testing could reveal how old these bones are, and only then we could know who they really are.


That damage could have also happened due to vandalism. :yes:

That damage could have also happened due to vandalism. :yes:

Yea.. but who would vandalise a dead body or somebody's bones? Especially, in the middle of nowhere.

Thanks traPPed.



I thought about these pics for an hour, and I can only conclude that they are Alexandrian tombs, or Mongol (who never came this far south).

Located in Galuga, in the district of Kharan, in Balochistan.

You have any detailed info on this structure?

A mummy have been found here and is disputed but claimed to be of 600BC persian royal family. So, these could possible be of the local population at that time instead of a Alexandrian or Mongolian tomb.

http://www.archaeology.org/0101/etc/persia.html

Yea.. but who would vandalise a dead body or somebody's bones? Especially, in the middle of nowhere.

Sick bastards like Umais.










































:laugh:

:laugh:

A mummy have been found here and is disputed but claimed to be of 600BC persian royal family. So, these could possible be of the local population at that time instead of a Alexandrian or Mongolian tomb.

http://www.archaeology.org/0101/etc/persia.html

Most probably is Zoroastrian. I read that article before.. they said the mummy is a fake.

Who was the first woman, and the only one so far, to be appointed the governor of a province in Pakistan?

^^ Don't care.

:doh:

Who was the first woman, and the only one so far, to be appointed the governor of a province in Pakistan?

Ummm Fatima Jinnah? :dunno:

Begum Ra'ana Liaquat Ali Khan (governor of Sindh)

Yep Begum Liaqat Ali.

Another very easy one. A famous Karachi street named after him.
Which prime minister of Pakistan has had the shortest stay in the office, less than two months — from October 18 to December 16, 1957?

Ibrahim Ismail chundrigar

I knew I shouldn't have given the hint.

Final question before people start calling me names.
No hint though.


Quaid-e-Azam said in one of his speeches “You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques, or to any place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed — that has nothing to do with the business of the State.” When was the speech delivered, before Partition or after Partition?

^^ I was going to go with before partition. But I would say after partition.

google says: 11th august, 1947.

August 11th 1947. The speech was delivered infront of the constituent assembly!

HOW DO YOU MAGGOTS NOT KNOW THAT! I've read it so many times that I almost know it by heart now!


:sly:

google says: 11th august, 1947.

:ohno:

Atleast I was honest

I don't see what the big deal is? 11th isn't far from the 14th anyway.

I don't see what the big deal is? 11th isn't far from the 14th anyway.

The big deal is that moderate people like us who truly and wholeheartedly believe in seperating religion from State should know this speech by heart! This speech serves the purpose of a slap in the face for bastards who deny that Jinnah was secular and that he wanted religion to be kept out of matters of the state.

So it is a big deal! NOW DROP DOWN AND GIMME 20 YOU MAGGOT! >(

I knew I shouldn't have given the hint.

Final question before people start calling me names.
No hint though.


Quaid-e-Azam said in one of his speeches “You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques, or to any place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed — that has nothing to do with the business of the State.” When was the speech delivered, before Partition or after Partition?
Standing ovation for Jinnah, regardless of when he said.

Standing ovation for Jinnah, regardless of when he said.

Standing ovation? I lie down and kiss his feet!

Standing ovation? I lie down and kiss his feet!

Kiss mine to while you're at it!
































:tongue3:

Kiss mine to while you're at it!
































:tongue3:




Why dont you learn to write proper english first.


http://www.seomoz.org/images/upload/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

Why dont you learn to write proper english first.


http://www.seomoz.org/images/upload/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg
Why don't YOU learn to write proper English first?

Why don't YOU learn to write proper English first?

The English was proper my morbidly lethargic friend, however the same could not be said for the grammar! :colgate:

Can I please ask you two grammar kittens to stop it? :tongue2:

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The English was proper my morbidly lethargic friend, however the same could not be said for the grammar! :colgate:

HA! you got told!

By the way, my mistake was a grammar mistake as well. :tongue3: