View Full Version : Which European City do you like more?


Ludi
August 31st, 2007, 03:32 PM
Which European CIty do you like more?

Plz vote now :)

Ludi
August 31st, 2007, 03:36 PM
Sry, but all european Citys i couldnt put in the list, I only have 15 possibillitis.

Thera are of cose other nice citys too!

Mr Sky
August 31st, 2007, 04:07 PM
I don't get your poll, like more than what? I could vote them all...

roen
August 31st, 2007, 04:17 PM
Barcelona :P and Rome

Ludi
August 31st, 2007, 04:46 PM
Madrid, London and Berlin ist my opinion^^

ØlandDK
August 31st, 2007, 07:10 PM
Voted Berlin, Copenhagen and Amsterdam...like the atmosphere in these cities

Patrick
August 31st, 2007, 07:20 PM
I'd have voted for Brussels.

Blok
August 31st, 2007, 08:47 PM
Why german names :dunno:

TohrAlkimista
August 31st, 2007, 09:45 PM
But the idea of the 3d is which European CAPITAL City do you like more?

It is not so, do you miss a lot of cities.

erbse
August 31st, 2007, 09:46 PM
Why german names :dunno:

'Cause Ludi's English is just fucked up :lol:

OMH
August 31st, 2007, 09:48 PM
why isn't Munich one of them...or not evn Vienna ..if not then its Prague!

Ludi
September 1st, 2007, 02:29 AM
Sry, but more then 15 citys i couldnt put in the list, so i taked the capitals and biggest citys, i know that there are a lot more citys, but now they are only this 15 citys, sry for the rest :hug:

Ludi
September 1st, 2007, 02:30 AM
Why german names :dunno:


yes sry, here are people from all over the world, but its not so diffecult to understand the names, ore?^^
They arent so different like in english ;)

OPO.RVK
September 1st, 2007, 02:34 AM
Beside my beautiful city, Porto I think that there is no more magical city in Europe even with all its problems than VENEZIA

CheGuevara
September 1st, 2007, 02:36 AM
Barcelona,Paris and Istanbul :cheers:

But Istanbul is very magical and romantic

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7958/noyanhakansa5502814ki.jpg

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/8880/istanbul137js2mv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Kampflamm
September 1st, 2007, 02:48 AM
I always thinked that the Warschau iss very nice, ja?

Basel_CH
September 1st, 2007, 12:39 PM
Paris or Vienna, whats up with Vienna in the poll??:ohno:

nurhak
September 1st, 2007, 01:04 PM
aahhhh Istanbul ,


http://wowturkey.com/tr26/k_Murat_Tolga_Karahanoglu_istanbul.jpg
http://www.usak.org.uk/images/Levent_istanbul.jpg
http://wowturkey.com/t.php?p=/tr67/Hakan_Cirpak_sultanahm.jpg
http://wowturkey.com/t.php?p=/tr174/ahmet_gullu_sultanahmet_ist.jpg
http://wowturkey.com/t.php?p=/tr163/mustafakumbar_topkapisarayi.jpg
http://wowturkey.com/t.php?p=/tr47/sina_ayasofia01_WOW.jpg
http://wowturkey.com/t.php?p=/tr14/kemal_bereket_ortakoy2.jpg

Kampflamm
September 1st, 2007, 04:46 PM
Dude, stoppen der Spamming plz.

Istanbullu
September 1st, 2007, 05:17 PM
^^:D

Anyway, It's Istanbul and Rome for me...

cernoch
September 1st, 2007, 08:05 PM
One photo of Prague for better orientation (taken by skycrapercity user kokpit):

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3724/1120626b78cog1.jpg

Golden Age
September 1st, 2007, 09:14 PM
Wow, Paris doesn't even make the top 8 European cities according to this poll. The Parisians may not be the most polite/patient/English-savvy hosts, but the city itself is unrivaled in terms of beautiful architecture and city layout. Paris, je t'aime.

Ludi
September 2nd, 2007, 01:58 AM
Dude, stoppen der Spamming plz.


WHo?
Who is spamming here?^^

Kampflamm
September 2nd, 2007, 02:06 AM
I thinked that putting much piktures in here is spamming, no?

Ludi
September 2nd, 2007, 02:36 AM
Ok, maybe its a good idea to post phots of some citys^^

BErlin:

http://www.kreisnavigator.de/landkreistag/potsdamer-platz_30-1.jpg

http://www.city-stiftung-berlin.eu/fileadmin/festival/bilder/illuminationen/altes_museum.jpg

http://www.parkinn-berlin.com/images/ParkInnVincentMosch.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/SonyCenterAtNight.jpg/395px-SonyCenterAtNight.jpg

http://www.bdra-ev.de/Bilder/Kongress/Treptowers_p.jpg

http://www.germancoursesberlin.com/uploads/pics/treptowers_moleculeman1.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/umwelt/berlin_move/en/laufstrecken/pix/Ls4_Schlossansicht_470.jpg

http://www.lilano.de/catalog/images/Berliner-Dom_200510DSC7245.jpg

http://www.andreas-praefcke.de/carthalia/germany/images/berlin_cinestar.jpg

http://www.city-stiftung-berlin.eu/fileadmin/festival/bilder/illuminationen/brandenburger_tor.jpg

http://www.limmat.ch/michi/berlin02/images/IMGP1222.JPG

http://www.uni-bielefeld.de/lili/studiengaenge/daf/Exkursionen/images/berlin_05/berlin_3.jpg

Kampflamm
September 2nd, 2007, 02:36 AM
Wow, wat is the building with the horsies on top?

Ludi
September 2nd, 2007, 02:39 AM
I thinked that putting much piktures in here is spamming, no?


No, thats good, to vote citys and see some Photos!

Kampflamm
September 2nd, 2007, 02:40 AM
But I thinking that many peoples already no what the citys look laik, right?

maartenvdbent
September 2nd, 2007, 02:42 AM
Wow, wat is the building with the horsies on top?

Is this some kind of German humour?

Ludi
September 2nd, 2007, 02:43 AM
Wow, wat is the building with the horsies on top?

You from Berlin :lol:

So you have to now it^^

Thats the "Brandeburger Tor"

Which is on the "Euro-cents" too

http://euro-coin.net/revers/de/0-2revde.jpg

Ludi
September 2nd, 2007, 02:44 AM
Is this some kind of German humour?

thats "Kampflamm-homour"^^ Thats a very special thing^^

Kampflamm
September 2nd, 2007, 02:53 AM
Is this some kind of German humour?

It's a metaphysical question.

FREKI
September 2nd, 2007, 03:03 AM
I've been around a bit and there are many awesome cities - but you won't see me leave Copenhagen for any of them..

Old, new, hot and cold - this 900yo baby got it all! :happy:

http://i7.tinypic.com/53ufcsj.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/4pvpudk.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/61ntdo2.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/67iwfx2.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/5zqekq1.jpg

http://i8.tinypic.com/4mu1jxs.jpg

All except for scrapers that is.....


More pics: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=456862

maartenvdbent
September 2nd, 2007, 03:11 AM
It's a metaphysical question.

Right... :) :cheers:

maartenvdbent
September 2nd, 2007, 03:15 AM
Copenhagen looks/is very beautiful, but I haven't been there (sorry, my bad!) so I haven't voted for it. I voted for Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam and Budapest, which are my favourites. I do like Prague, but it doesn't appeal as much to me as Budapest and Berlin (the other CE-cities) do. Kinda hard to explain why, I think it has a lot to do with my personal experiences (especially in Budapest) and nothing with Prague...

Ludi
September 2nd, 2007, 03:30 AM
Next to Berlin i love London and Madrid!

http://www.progblog.de/uploads/photos/england06/london/london-eye.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Vista_de_Madrid_-_Centro_01.jpg/800px-Vista_de_Madrid_-_Centro_01.jpg

two very nice citys!

Ludi
September 2nd, 2007, 04:04 AM
58 voters, I want to see more!!!!! :banana:

Heilig
September 2nd, 2007, 04:09 AM
Berlin über alles :okay:

ØlandDK
September 2nd, 2007, 04:10 AM
Ludi du vist so'ne geile Sau...keep voting pleace...

Xelebes
September 2nd, 2007, 04:34 AM
I don't get this thread, eh.

I mean you vote, eh?

Voting for the hoser that kisses the trout best, eh?

LMCA1990
September 2nd, 2007, 04:40 AM
I say Copenhagen.

MoroccanChica
September 2nd, 2007, 04:45 AM
Amsterdam and Lisboa.

Mahratta
September 2nd, 2007, 05:09 AM
From my (an Asian living in Canada's point of view)

1) Berlin (been there numerous times - Germany is my favourite part of Europe)
2) Istanbul (fascinating and beautiful city steeped in history)
3) London (used to live in London, a great city)
4) Moscow (never been, but Russia and Russian culture has always fascinated me)
5) Amsterdam (Lovely place, visited numerous times)

Greetings from India! And Canada!

Ludi
September 2nd, 2007, 05:14 AM
67 votes, thx for your votes!

more plz! :)

FREKI
September 2nd, 2007, 06:07 AM
I say Copenhagen.:hug:

kenny_in_blue
September 2nd, 2007, 12:45 PM
Copenhagen, its either Kobenhavn or Copenhagen btw. No such think as Kopenhagen.

MPOWER
September 2nd, 2007, 01:42 PM
Berlin!

Ago
September 2nd, 2007, 02:10 PM
Rome!!!

http://i18.tinypic.com/4tjf2vm.jpg

http://www.puzzlehouse.com/images/webpage/piazza1500clem.jpg

http://cellbiol.com/cellbiol_photos/images/piazza_venezia_vittoriano_1_08_06_800x600_wm.jpg

http://sabin.ro/sabinnew/album412/IMG_0226.sized.jpg

Arjuch
September 2nd, 2007, 02:25 PM
Sry, but more then 15 citys i couldnt put in the list, so i taked the capitals and biggest citys, i know that there are a lot more citys, but now they are only this 15 citys, sry for the rest :hug:

Brussels is bigger than Copenhagen,Amsterdam and Stockholm

Pincio
September 2nd, 2007, 02:46 PM
I don't see Vienna.
And Venice, Dresden, Saint Petersburg are not Capitals but they are very beautiful.

Ludi
September 2nd, 2007, 02:58 PM
I don't see Vienna.
And Venice, Dresden, Saint Petersburg are not Capitals but they are very beautiful.
yes, sry, but more then 15 citys i couldnt put in the list :ohno:

Falcon83
September 2nd, 2007, 02:58 PM
-Berlin
-Amsterdam
-London
-Paris

Pincio
September 2nd, 2007, 03:11 PM
yes, sry, but more then 15 citys i couldnt put in the list :ohno:

Yes, I know :)

ØlandDK
September 2nd, 2007, 03:35 PM
Copenhagen, its either Kobenhavn or Copenhagen btw. No such think as Kopenhagen.
Kobenhavn? You mean København?
Kopenhagen is the German spelling btw

SJC.capitalist
September 2nd, 2007, 04:37 PM
Rome!
Is in my heart!!!

cernoch
September 2nd, 2007, 06:41 PM
One more photo of Prague city centre:

http://img224.exs.cx/img224/1866/21708449praguefromcastlehill9c.jpg

cernoch
September 2nd, 2007, 06:49 PM
For more visit this thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=388432

nurhak
September 2nd, 2007, 07:05 PM
Istanbul,Rome,Amsterdam For me

uA_TAGA
September 2nd, 2007, 07:22 PM
ISTANBUL (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=484069)

dutchmaster
September 2nd, 2007, 08:17 PM
1) London
2) Paris
3) Amsterdam
4) Copenhaguen
5) Lisbon

nurhak
September 2nd, 2007, 10:20 PM
Some pics of Istanbul
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/8210/farukoncanimg875312tl6.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4661/kemalbereketahmetafifpaxl4.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9378/fd581020is9.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1279/rusenertan1nm8.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2231/levent115nkpw1.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9582/onur35istiklalcad1wz6.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4702/aslialinmw3.jpg

7t
September 2nd, 2007, 11:18 PM
Kopenhagen has always been my favorite city in Europe. It's not too big, it offers beautiful architecture, clean and relaxing. I've actually considered buying an apartment there, as a spring/summer hangout.

LS Kim
September 3rd, 2007, 12:10 AM
1-Madrid
2-London
3-Paris
4-Rome
5-Prague
6-Lisbon

FREKI
September 3rd, 2007, 02:42 AM
Brussels is bigger than Copenhagen,Amsterdam and StockholmNo... not really...

Copenhagen and Brussels both at 6km "scale" - scroll to compare..

http://i18.tinypic.com/2cqiqyw.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/5zqju47.jpg

Note neither pictures cover the entire metro area - the pics are just to get an idea about the urban level of the cities

Chilenofuturista
September 3rd, 2007, 10:45 AM
Madrid is my cup of tea.

cernoch
September 3rd, 2007, 12:12 PM
No... not really...

Copenhagen and Brussels both at 6km "scale" - scroll to compare..


Be undisturbed, Copenhagen is much larger than Brussels.

jumping_jack
September 3rd, 2007, 01:08 PM
Sine 753bc the answer is the same! (and the poll confirm that)

ancov
September 3rd, 2007, 01:33 PM
Vienna, London, Budapest, Kiev, Moscow

jumping_jack
September 3rd, 2007, 01:45 PM
Vienna, London, Budapest, Kiev, Moscow

Kiev and Moscow ????

jarekles
September 3rd, 2007, 01:49 PM
Budapest, Warsaw, Prague, Vienna, Kiev :)

Farrapo
September 3rd, 2007, 04:57 PM
I would vote for Vienna, but it's not in this list... So, my vote goes to Paris! :)

Pincio
September 3rd, 2007, 05:28 PM
A photo from Venice, my favourite one.
According to me the most beautiful city of the world.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/48/113080383_e8e691034c_b.jpg

kenny_in_blue
September 3rd, 2007, 08:56 PM
Kobenhavn? You mean København?
Kopenhagen is the German spelling btw

It's an English speaking forum.

Kampflamm
September 3rd, 2007, 09:15 PM
Nicht mehr lange!

Pallo_3
September 3rd, 2007, 09:17 PM
Nicht mehr lange!


Who is that monster in your avatar? :crazy:

ancov
September 4th, 2007, 11:46 AM
Kiev and Moscow ????

Why not?

HeavenlySword
September 4th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Madrid,Lisboa,Monaco and Istanbul


Istanbul

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/alanson/osmansahinolanlar.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6695/haydarpashafromseamk0.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/alanson/vakkocup5.jpg

Ludi
September 4th, 2007, 08:33 PM
Thx for votes, plz more votes! ;)

uA_TAGA
September 4th, 2007, 09:33 PM
ur welcome :)

ISTANBUL ISTANBUL ISTANBUL :)

HeavenlySword
September 4th, 2007, 09:53 PM
Istanbul is the second biggest city in Europe after Moscow.Then London and Paris follow

ØlandDK
September 4th, 2007, 10:51 PM
It's an English speaking forum.
And that's why you call it Kobenhavn??

Ohh you are BANNED now...what a shame:cheers:

FREKI
September 4th, 2007, 11:57 PM
"Ko-ben-havn" ( "cow-leg-habour" ) he he - that has a nice ring to it doesn't it :D

Istanbul is the second biggest city in Europe after Moscow.:lol:

Dude - you just won the "Joke of the Day Award" :lol:

ØlandDK
September 5th, 2007, 12:38 AM
^^
isn't it true population wise if you count whole Istanbul?

frozen
September 5th, 2007, 01:12 AM
I vote for all. Impossible to choose only one :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)

FREKI
September 5th, 2007, 01:55 AM
isn't it true population wise if you count whole Istanbul?I'm sure it's true - what I find funny is the location of the two

HeavenlySword
September 5th, 2007, 05:08 AM
Dude - you just won the "Joke of the Day Award" :lol:

MEGACITIES of the WORLD (stat 2006)


Rank city name Country Population

1 Tokyo Japan 34,450,000
2 New York USA 20,420,000
3 Seoul Korea 20,090,000
4 Mumbai India 19,380,000
5 Jakarta (Jabotabek) Indonesia 19,300,000
6 Delhi India 18,560,000
7 Mexico City Mexico 18,410,000
8 São Paulo Brazil 18,130,000
9 Manila Philippines 17,320,000
10 Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto Japan 17,280,000
11 Cairo Egypt 16,000,000
12 Los Angeles USA 15,350,000
13 Kolkata India 14,580,000
14 Shanghai China 14,530,000
15 Moscow Russia 14,100,000
16 Buenos Aires Argentina 13,460,000
17 Beijing China 12,160,000
18 Shenzhen China 11,820,000
19 Rio de Janeiro Brazil 11,080,000
20 Istanbul Turkey 11,000,000
21 Paris France 10,570,000

:lol:

FREKI
September 5th, 2007, 08:12 AM
You really don't get it?...... hmmm

Oh well let me help you a bit..

Here's a map... of Europe....

http://www.scienceineurope.net/imagens/europe3.gif

Blok
September 5th, 2007, 12:25 PM
^^ So Ukraine is asia:sly:

AutoUnion
September 5th, 2007, 02:36 PM
Here's a map... of Europe....



EUROPA!!!

http://rp.foto.radikal.ru/0709/2d/092647ed09ee.png

KoolKeatz
September 5th, 2007, 02:45 PM
The most europeans wont count Istanbul or Moscow to europe, thats true. Even if parts of Russia and Turkey are geographical in europe, they arent european countrys. Its always a bit confusing that it is usual on SSC to call these city european.

Yury
September 5th, 2007, 02:51 PM
You really don't get it?...... hmmm

Oh well let me help you a bit..

Here's a map... of Europe....

http://www.scienceineurope.net/imagens/europe3.gif

yeah, it's funny Belarus is in Europe while Ukraine is not, never mind Western Russia :D

HeavenlySword
September 5th, 2007, 02:52 PM
You really don't get it?...... hmmm

Oh well let me help you a bit..

Here's a map... of Europe....

http://www.scienceineurope.net/imagens/europe3.gif


Hahahhahaahaa.Dude you are uneducated.In Gaming issues like PS3,xbox360 and Wii you are good educated but in geographical issues i must help you.You see on the map the little part next to Greece.It is called Thrace.It makes 3 % of Turkey´s whole size.Thrace is in Europe.Istanbul is the only city in the world that is between two continents.So it must choose one side.You can´t chose two sides.And historical Istanbul (early names are Byzantium,Nova Roma and Constantinople) is part of Europe (see Eastern Roman Empire and Byzantium).Also the thread is called which european city do you like.And the name Istanbul is in the list. :)

Do you know that Istanbul is choosen for 2010 as European Culture Capital.


oh btw. you are funny.You see on the map Cyprus.Isn´t Cyprus Asia?And where is Ukraine and the part of Russia till Moscow ;) :lol:

Have a nice day buddy :colgate:


Here location of Istanbul.The bosporus divides it in two parts (european and asia)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Istambul_and_Bosporus_big.jpg/515px-Istambul_and_Bosporus_big.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/alanson/OrhanCAN2.jpg

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8213/fffrf2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Twierdza_Rumeli_Istambu%C5%82_RB1.jpg/800px-Twierdza_Rumeli_Istambu%C5%82_RB1.jpg

El Vampiro Ucraniano
September 5th, 2007, 02:54 PM
You really don't get it?...... hmmm

Oh well let me help you a bit..

Here's a map... of Europe....

http://www.scienceineurope.net/imagens/europe3.gif

Where did you lose Ukraine?:crazy2:

Ludi
September 5th, 2007, 02:55 PM
ur welcome :)

ISTANBUL ISTANBUL ISTANBUL :)

i hope that the Turkey will join the EU!

Ludi
September 5th, 2007, 02:59 PM
The most europeans wont count Istanbul or Moscow to europe, thats true. Even if parts of Russia and Turkey are geographical in europe, they arent european countrys. Its always a bit confusing that it is usual on SSC to call these city european.

Istanbul is an European and Asian City( 50%/50%), but Moscau is to 100% in europe geographicalmente^^

uA_TAGA
September 5th, 2007, 04:32 PM
i hope that the Turkey will join the EU!

haha tx dude :)

KoolKeatz
September 5th, 2007, 04:55 PM
Istanbul is an European and Asian City( 50%/50%), but Moscau is to 100% in europe geographicalmente^^

... thats what i said. geographicalmente :nuts:

Kampflamm
September 5th, 2007, 06:09 PM
Loodi, instead of "mente", just add a "-ly" to these words.

FREKI
September 5th, 2007, 06:10 PM
Hahahhahaahaa.Oh you finally got it! :)

Dude you are uneducated. Well I'm no Stephen Hawking...

You see on the map the little part next to Greece.It is called Thrace.It makes 3 % of Turkey´s whole size.Thrace is in Europe.So 3% makes the 97% automaticly European..

Well with 99% of Denmark located in North America I guess I'm North American then... :|

Do you know that Istanbul is choosen for 2010 as European Culture Capital.Did you know Israel have won the Eurovision songcontest 3 times?

Have a nice day buddy :colgate:
Yes you too! :cheers:

Anyway no reason to debate this - nothing will come from it anyway - so believe what you will...

HeavenlySword
September 5th, 2007, 06:41 PM
Oh you finally got it! :)

Well I'm no Stephen Hawking...

So 3% makes the 97% automaticly European..

Well with 99% of Denmark located in North America I guess I'm North American then... :|

Did you know Israel have won the Eurovision songcontest 3 times?


Yes you too! :cheers:

Anyway no reason to debate this - nothing will come from it anyway - so believe what you will...

I dont talk about Turkey.Yes Turkey is not european.I would call it Eurasian.We just talk about Istanbul.Forget the rest.Moscow is european but Siberia is not european.Cyprus is also not european.
But it is a fact that Istanbul is geographically 50 % on european side.And the Thrace part of Turkey is full on european side which is almost as great as belgium.Yes and Turkey also won the Eurovision song contest :cheers:

More pictures of Istanbul :colgate: =====>

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=508365

nurhak
September 5th, 2007, 07:02 PM
Constantinople must be conquered .
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/266081.jpg
To me its the most beatifull city in the world.

HeavenlySword
September 5th, 2007, 07:08 PM
Constantinople must be conquered .
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/266081.jpg
To me its the most beatifull city in the world.

^^

OxLRWAPKogg

maartenvdbent
September 5th, 2007, 07:37 PM
You really don't get it?...... hmmm

Oh well let me help you a bit..

Here's a map... of Europe....

http://www.scienceineurope.net/imagens/europe3.gif

Hahahahaha, so Belarus and Moldova are in Europe and Ukraine and Western Russia are not? I think that Ukraine is more "European" than Belarus, isn't it? If you want to make clear the dividing line between the protestant/catholic latin-writing west and the orthodox cyrillic-writing east (which makes some sense) you also have to omit Belarus, Bulgaria, Moldova, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, and to some extent Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Greece, Cyprus and Romania.

By the way, your map does include Istanbul, and I thought you meant to say that Istanbul was not in Europe...

Hahahaha, what a silly comment, I never heard anyone say that Moscow is not in Europe...

HeavenlySword
September 5th, 2007, 08:08 PM
Hahahahaha, so Belarus and Moldova are in Europe and Ukraine and Western Russia are not? I think that Ukraine is more "European" than Belarus, isn't it? If you want to make clear the dividing line between the protestant/catholic latin-writing west and the orthodox cyrillic-writing east (which makes some sense) you also have to omit Belarus, Bulgaria, Moldova, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, and to some extent Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Greece, Cyprus and Romania.

By the way, your map does include Istanbul, and I thought you meant to say that Istanbul was not in Europe...

Hahahaha, what a silly comment, I never heard anyone say that Moscow is not in Europe...

:applause:

You have own Mr Denmark :colgate:

uA_TAGA
September 5th, 2007, 09:47 PM
Hahahahaha, so Belarus and Moldova are in Europe and Ukraine and Western Russia are not? I think that Ukraine is more "European" than Belarus, isn't it? If you want to make clear the dividing line between the protestant/catholic latin-writing west and the orthodox cyrillic-writing east (which makes some sense) you also have to omit Belarus, Bulgaria, Moldova, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, and to some extent Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Greece, Cyprus and Romania.

By the way, your map does include Istanbul, and I thought you meant to say that Istanbul was not in Europe...

Hahahaha, what a silly comment, I never heard anyone say that Moscow is not in Europe...

i agree :)

very nice comment dude huh :D lol

RawLee
September 5th, 2007, 10:16 PM
EUROPA!!!

http://rp.foto.radikal.ru/0709/2d/092647ed09ee.png

Well,it seems the EU just made an exception with Cyprus...then why cant it make an other with Turkey?

HeavenlySword
September 5th, 2007, 10:25 PM
Well,it seems the EU just made an exception with Cyprus...then why cant it make an other with Turkey?

Because EU is a christian club :D

nurhak
September 5th, 2007, 10:31 PM
^^

OxLRWAPKogg

thnx man nice video ^^

Ataman
September 5th, 2007, 10:50 PM
Because EU is a christian club :D

A christian club that includes Bosnia&Hercegovina and Albania?

No wait... Bosnia&Hercegovina aren't purely muslim, and Albania is the only atheist country in the world. In that case you are right. :)

-Ataman

ØlandDK
September 5th, 2007, 10:53 PM
thnx man nice video ^^

is that 300 part 2? :D

Ludi
September 5th, 2007, 11:19 PM
Because EU is a christian club :D

thats wrong^^

Turkey will be a good member in the EU i think.

FREKI
September 5th, 2007, 11:23 PM
You have own Mr Denmark :colgate:Yes... I have indeed been "owned"..... hmmm.... yeesss... :lol:

Now I will cry and eat cookies all night!



BTW how about this Europe map then...? ( I really like the scale of it :D )

http://www.finferie.dk/grafik/kort_europa2.gif

HeavenlySword
September 5th, 2007, 11:24 PM
A christian club that includes Bosnia&Hercegovina and Albania?

No wait... Bosnia&Hercegovina aren't purely muslim, and Albania is the only atheist country in the world. In that case you are right. :)

-Ataman

Bosnia&Herzegowina,Kosovo and Albania have a huge rate of muslim population :) .

HeavenlySword
September 5th, 2007, 11:26 PM
Yes... I have indeed been "owned"..... hmmm.... yeesss... :lol:

Now I will cry and eat cookies all night!



BTW how about this Europe map then...?

http://www.finferie.dk/grafik/kort_europa2.gif

You forgot eastern thrace and western Russia :D.If you add these parts then your map is perfect :okay:.And you must delete Cyprus.

Man haven´t you learn nothing in geography while school time??? :lol:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Thrace

HeavenlySword
September 5th, 2007, 11:40 PM
thats wrong^^

Turkey will be a good member in the EU i think.

^^If we join yes :)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/3/3d/European_union_candidate_countries_map_de3.PNG/576px-European_union_candidate_countries_map_de3.PNG

FREKI
September 5th, 2007, 11:52 PM
If we join yes :)You could take Denmark's place - we ( or atleast some 50% of us ) wants out...

I also think Turkey will be much better without it... as it is now it's free - the EU have turned into the completely opposit! :(



About the map it's a disputed case so technically no one is right or wrong.. in my book both Turkey, Cyprus and Russia have European sides - but are not fully part of it.. feel about my opinion what you like..

HeavenlySword
September 5th, 2007, 11:59 PM
You could take Denmark's place - we ( or atleast some 50% of us ) wants out...

Denmark is one of the wealthiest countries in the EU.Why you are not satisfied with it???Btw. when i was a child i have played much with Lego :)

nurhak
September 6th, 2007, 12:04 AM
is that 300 part 2? :D

yes this time the turks invade,but the byzantines dont even have a chance this time :D

FREKI
September 6th, 2007, 12:09 AM
Denmark is one of the wealthiest countries in the EU.Why you are not satisfied with it??? I can only speak for me... first and foremost it's because it takes our identity away from us making us just a small state in a huge union..
( the old dream of a unified Scandinavia was ruined because of this )


Second because it limits our freedom with all it's laws rules and regulations
( we now have to accept people riding frigging 80km/h gocarts on the freeway - jeezes! )


Third because it limit's our economy... f.ex look at Switzerland, Iceland or Norway.. all are around our economic level - the only difference is that they are allowed to run "wild" where we're stuck with the EU stuff...


All that said the EU isn't all bad for us - but it have reached a level where it's either no more - or quiting it.. ( Greenland have already quit - so technically only 1% of the country that's part of the EU :) )



The intrest in joining the EU reminds me of the immigrants going to the US around 100 years ago... it may be the promised land - but it didn't stop them from ending up in ghettos in Brooklyn and Bronx..

Turkey is doing great - you don't need the EU.. and believe me you don't want the EU!

Francisco91
September 6th, 2007, 12:12 AM
Lisbon of course

Ludi
September 6th, 2007, 04:26 PM
I can only speak for me... first and foremost it's because it takes our identity away from us making us just a small state in a huge union..
( the old dream of a unified Scandinavia was ruined because of this )


Second because it limits our freedom with all it's laws rules and regulations
( we now have to accept people riding frigging 80km/h gocarts on the freeway - jeezes! )


Third because it limit's our economy... f.ex look at Switzerland, Iceland or Norway.. all are around our economic level - the only difference is that they are allowed to run "wild" where we're stuck with the EU stuff...


All that said the EU isn't all bad for us - but it have reached a level where it's either no more - or quiting it.. ( Greenland have already quit - so technically only 1% of the country that's part of the EU :) )



The intrest in joining the EU reminds me of the immigrants going to the US around 100 years ago... it may be the promised land - but it didn't stop them from ending up in ghettos in Brooklyn and Bronx..

Turkey is doing great - you don't need the EU.. and believe me you don't want the EU!


The EU is great!
Europe need the EU, to save the peace and to be a power in the world, if europe get in little parts again like before the 2 world war, Europe get distroid again.
I love the EU, Danmark is an very nice country, its an part of the EU like all the other countrys!
Also the EU is good for the Ecenomy, beleve me, you will see, in some years countrys like norway will join the EU, already the money in Switzerland go down in relacion whit the euro.

i like the EU, because
The EU save the peace and the affluent societys in europe, to concurate in this world, we have to work together, and not every country in Europe by his selfe.

Francisco91
September 6th, 2007, 04:30 PM
EU is great for poor countris like the new 15, portugal, greece and so, but for rich countries I think that it brings more prejudice than benefits.

TohrAlkimista
September 6th, 2007, 04:34 PM
I think that the major countries of the EU, maybe are doing great sacrifices, but with the purpouse and the idea of a future omogenous development of all the members.

FREKI
September 7th, 2007, 12:02 AM
Europe need the EU, to save the peace and to be a power in the worldHowcome?

Except for the US there's no country outthere capable of even scratching the UK, France or Germany on their own soil...

Why should we join the arms race of the superpowers - this is the nuclear age - if shit ever hits the fan we'll all be dust in a few hours anyway..

Let the bullies fight - we've been there done that and came out of it smarter - no good will come from it.. just look at how Soviet turned out or how the US economy is today...

All empires will eventually fall - and they tend to fall hard!

if europe get in little parts again like before the 2 world war, Europe get distroid again.We are still in socalled "littles part" as it is.. and yet no country have been destroyed!

We have NATO we don't need anything else!


I love the EU, Danmark is an very nice countryThanks! :cheers1:

its an part of the EU like all the other countrys! Yes 1% of the Kingdom is!

Well actually have have some special rules since we voted against the Maastricht treaty... ( one of them is military related btw )


Also the EU is good for the Ecenomy, beleve me, you will see, in some years countrys like norway will join the EUYes and pigs will fly into space singing showtunes in Latin


we have to work together, and not every country in Europe by his selfe. Why?

Sure the new poor countries benefit greatly - but we can aid them without having a union!

Tomesh
September 7th, 2007, 12:27 AM
okay now so does anyone know the population of the European side of Istanbul, im just interested :)

Kampflamm
September 7th, 2007, 12:43 AM
The EU needs to destroyed for the benefit of all of us. Rich Germanic countries need to form their own union.

FREKI
September 7th, 2007, 12:50 AM
The EU needs to destroyed for the benefit of all of us. Rich Germanic countries need to form their own union.I agree..

But would prefere to keep it and just make some minor changes - sort of like this:

http://i19.tinypic.com/4z2l9pe.jpg

Kampflamm
September 7th, 2007, 12:58 AM
Prefer this one

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/NewEU2.jpg

FREKI
September 7th, 2007, 01:08 AM
Fine with me - but I think the "Greco-Turkish Union" would require a lot of attention ( and peacekeepers ) ASAP :lol:

Kampflamm
September 7th, 2007, 01:14 AM
The NATO-administered area is right next door, so no problem.

FREKI
September 7th, 2007, 01:18 AM
The NATO-administered area is right next door, so no problem.:lol:

maartenvdbent
September 7th, 2007, 01:33 AM
@ Mr Denmark:
So the EU takes your identity away? How do policies on a costums union and an internal market take you identity away? That's what the EU is mostly about (EU foreign and security policy are virtually non-existant, and I don't really see how these areas would hamper you Danish identity). Has the EU adopted legislation that prevents the use of the Danish language in public spheres? In short, has the EU introduced any laws that prevents the Danes from celebrating their Danish culture and heritage? Don't think so.

Quite the opposite. The motto of the EU is "Unity in diversity" and the EU has numerous policies to increase the use of national and minority languages and policies to enhance the rights of minorities. The disappearance of national borders has allowed minorities living outside the border of their nation-state (for example, the Hungarian minorities in Romania and Slovakia) to travel almost freely to the state they feel connected to. The situation of these minorities has improved immensely in the last decade, because the EU has pressured the governments of these new EU states to do something about minority rights (it is one of the criteria for joining the EU).

Furthermore, Iceland and Norway are indeed not a part of the EU, but they are of the European Economic Area (EEA). This means that they HAVE TO adopt EU legislation in order to maintain EEA-membership, without having a say on it in the European Parliament or the Council of Ministers. Former Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg has described this situation as a "fax democracy", with Norway waiting for their latest legislation to be faxed from the European Commission.

Is that what you want? Or do you want to shut off Denmark completely from the rest of Europe, which means leaving the Costums Union and the Internal Market (free movement of goods, services, persons and capital). That will be devastating for your economy, especially since Denmark is a small country that depends for a large part on foreign trade...

Last but not least: there are indeed some disputes about the exact geographical borders of Europe, but there is no geographer I know of that doesn't include Thrace or Western Russia in Europe. Haven't you learnt in school that the Ural mountains are the border between Europe and Asia? I thought you were joking around in your comments on Moscow being not European, but you seem pretty serious. I'm really stunned that a European person can really think that Moscow is in Asia. To me it is common sense that Moscow lies in Europe.

FREKI
September 7th, 2007, 01:46 AM
@ Mr Denmark:
So the EU takes your identity away? How do policies on a costums union and an internal market take you identity away?Ask all the Americans who apperently can't understand that EU members are countries and not states...

When that stops so does my bitching of my national identity being taken away from me!

That's what the EU is mostly about (EU foreign and security policy are virtually non-existant, and I don't really see how these areas would hamper you Danish identity) Has the EU adopted legislation that prevents the use of the Danish language in public spheres? In short, has the EU introduced any laws that prevents the Danes from celebrating their Danish culture and heritage? Don't think so.We can't call our food Feta anymore.. we can't buy crooked cucumbers.. those two were the soul and hearth of Danishness :D

Nah.. as it is now it's bareble.. but NO more thanks! ( a little less would indeed be fine! )


Is that what you want? Or do you want to shut off Denmark completely from the rest of Europe, which means leaving the Costums Union and the Internal Market (free movement of goods, services, persons and capital). That will be devastating for your economy, especially since Denmark is a small country that depends for a large part on foreign trade...I want a Nordic or Scandinavian Union... if that means we will have to take our trading elsewhere no problem - Mainland Europe is just a bug compared to the upcomming Asian market anyway! We'll adapt, we always did - no reason to sell out to avoid a loss of money - there are more important things than that!

Last but not least: there are indeed some disputes about the exact geographical borders of Europe, but there is no geographer I know of that doesn't include Thrace or Western Russia in Europe. Haven't you learnt in school that the Ural mountains are the border between Europe and Asia? I thought you were joking around in your comments on Moscow being not European, but you seem pretty serious. I'm really stunned that a European person can really think that Moscow is in Asia. To me it is common sense that Moscow lies in Europe. If Turkey is Europe Denmark is North America... put the borders where you like - my opinion stays the same..

As I said there no doubt there's European culture present in both Turkey, Cuprus and Russia - but that doesn't make them European more than it makes Denmark North American...

maartenvdbent
September 7th, 2007, 02:32 AM
Right, so because Americans can't distinguish between European countries, you find that the EU compromises your national identity... :nuts:

I didn't say that Turkey lies completely in Europe. Only a small part does, and Istanbul lies on that small part. 25% of Russia lies in Europe (with two-thirds of the Russian population) and the Russian capital, Moscow, lies in Europe.

You contended that Moscow and Istanbul are in Europe geographically, now I don't know any serious geographer that doesn't include Moscow and Istanbul in Europe.

You don't seem to get that the geographical borders of a continent can run through a country. If we apply your definition and include only whole countries in continents, then indeed Denmark would be North-American, because the largest part of Denmark lies in North America. I have learnt in school, however, that the mainland of Denmark and the Faroe Islands are part of Europe, while Greenland is part of North America. Same counts for the Kingdom of the Netherlands: the Netherlands are part of Europe, Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles are part of South America.

SouthernEuropean
September 7th, 2007, 02:51 AM
Constantinople must be conquered .
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/266081.jpg
To me its the most beatifull city in the world.

hahahaha......you prove with your posts why Turkey or Istanbul for that matter are not European..........such an intense, fanatical thinking....by so many Turkish...it's a shame really..:ohno:

SouthernEuropean
September 7th, 2007, 02:53 AM
Prefer this one

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/NewEU2.jpg

i'll have to kinda disagree with that Greco-Turkish union there

SouthernEuropean
September 7th, 2007, 02:57 AM
As I said there no doubt there's European culture present in both Turkey, Cyprus and Russia - but that doesn't make them European more than it makes Denmark North American.....

well i think that Cyprus may not be close to Europe as usually defined,however clearly should not be put in the same level as Turkey,Europe in my personal opinion always, is also about basic principles,historical ties,co-operation etc...the Republic of Cyprus..i believe is European enough,from Ancient Times.

FREKI
September 7th, 2007, 09:37 AM
Right, so because Americans can't distinguish between European countries, you find that the EU compromises your national identity...Yes... if it's like this now - how will it be 10 or 20 years from now...

I didn't say that Turkey lies completely in Europe. Only a small part does, and Istanbul lies on that small part.So 50% of 3% = 100%??? :lol:


You contended that Moscow and Istanbul are in Europe geographically, now I don't know any serious geographer that doesn't include Moscow and Istanbul in Europe. Try googling "Europe map"...

You don't seem to get that the geographical borders of a continent can run through a country.I get it just fine... I just don't think that because a minority live in one place the entire rest follows automaticly..

If we apply your definition and include only whole countries in continents, then indeed Denmark would be North-American, because the largest part of Denmark lies in North America. Okay dokey partner - looks like little old me will have to get me a new pickup and a sixshooter - now ya all come back now ya hear!

Hmm now that I'm officially a yank I can really start bashing them pecky Europ'ians... :cheers:

I have learnt in school, however, that the mainland of Denmark and the Faroe Islands are part of Europe, while Greenland is part of North America.Location vise I agree - but that still doesn't make the Danes living up there North Americans does it?

Same counts for the Kingdom of the Netherlands: the Netherlands are part of Europe, Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles are part of South America. And do that make Dutch born there South Americans? ( what do their passports say? )



Listen... it's a free world and I dislike the EU and don't think Moscow or Istanbul is European cities.. please respect my opinion.. in return I'll respect yours... :cheers:


As long as it's officially disputed there's little point in arguing about it...

nurhak
September 7th, 2007, 02:25 PM
hahahaha......you prove with your posts why Turkey or Istanbul for that matter are not European..........such an intense, fanatical thinking....by so many Turkish...it's a shame really..:ohno:

why i prove that its not european,i know if the byzantines had still istanbul in their hands,you guys would count it as european

TohrAlkimista
September 7th, 2007, 03:02 PM
The EU needs to destroyed for the benefit of all of us. Rich Germanic countries need to form their own union.

That's not exactly the opinion of the germans. (I mean for those that are 'up')

TohrAlkimista
September 7th, 2007, 03:10 PM
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/NewEU2.jpg

I miss some parts to be honest.

Did you enlarge a bit Switzerland? :D

HeavenlySword
September 7th, 2007, 06:13 PM
Everywhere in wikipedia Istanbul is count as european.Give Europe and you will see it.

Here the biggest cities of Europe

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5791/unbenanntez0.png

Istanbullu
September 7th, 2007, 06:28 PM
The NATO-administered area is right next door, so no problem.

Good one...


:lol:

Pincio
September 7th, 2007, 06:32 PM
Seule Paris est digne de Rome, seule Rome est digne de Paris.
Only Paris is worthy of Rome, only Rome is worthy of Paris.

Istanbullu
September 7th, 2007, 06:34 PM
hahahaha......you prove with your posts why Turkey or Istanbul for that matter are not European..........such an intense, fanatical thinking....by so many Turkish...it's a shame really..:ohno:

I've seen much more idiotic comments coming from Greek forumers... Starting with you... :lol:

FREKI
September 7th, 2007, 07:17 PM
Everywhere in wikipedia Istanbul is count as european.Give Europe and you will see it. So why doesn't Turkey show up on the list of European Capitals???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_and_their_capitals

Heck even your German pic/link has a disclaimer where it informs it's locatation being half Asian and only the "old town center" is located on "European soil"..

As I've said it's a disputed issue - feel about it how you like and I'll do the same..

neorion
September 7th, 2007, 07:17 PM
I agree..

But would prefere to keep it and just make some minor changes - sort of like this:

http://i19.tinypic.com/4z2l9pe.jpg Mr D you may dream of a Nordic Union, but that may not include Sweden and Finland as I'm pretty sure most Swedes and Finns want to be in the EU.

FREKI
September 7th, 2007, 07:45 PM
Mr D you may dream of a Nordic Union, but that may not include Sweden and Finland as I'm pretty sure most Swedes and Finns want to be in the EU.

Let's see what the future brings if mainland Denmark leaves and team up with Norway.. I have a feeling that a wider economic grap between Sweden and Denmark/Norway will change a few minds - and if not we'll simply a get a lot more workers, so a win win situation no matter what :)

A Nordic Union should ofcause be the will of the people ( contrary to a certain other union ;) ) - so if we have to keep it Norway, Iceland, Denmark so be it... 200 years ago it was one country anyway.. ( yep.. Denmark :yes: )

BTW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Council - half way there :)

The second nations starts leaving the EU I think you'll see a snowball effect.....
Me I'm just pondering whether the UK or Denmark will be first... all we need is an election :)

SouthernEuropean
September 7th, 2007, 07:47 PM
I've seen much more idiotic comments coming from Greek forumers... Starting with you... :lol:

Why do you say that?

HeavenlySword
September 7th, 2007, 07:51 PM
So why doesn't Turkey show up on the list of European Capitals???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_and_their_capitals

Heck even your German pic/link has a disclaimer where it informs it's locatation being half Asian and only the "old town center" is located on "European soil"..

As I've said it's a disputed issue - feel about it how you like and I'll do the same..


You are funny :D.Do you know the capital of Turkey???It is Ankara.And Ankara is in Asia.But Istanbul is count as European.But in the list you see Nicosia,the capital of Cyprus which is in Asia too :)

neorion
September 7th, 2007, 07:56 PM
I thought you'd come back with something Mr D.

The final sentence of the link says it all.

The tasks of the Nordic Council overlap significantly with the European Union and related organizations and treaties.

Quite frankly i find your posturing to smack of a superiority complex, but like all those who come across this way, they are cut down to size sooner or later. Also, I take it most Danes don't think like you, but i must admit some years ago when I was back-packing through Europe I'd occasionally hear a Dane (usually a woman for some reason) in a hostel whinging about the EU and its laws. 'They won't let us make these toys, we have to listen to others view...blah blah blah'...

Get with it, the world is shrinking and sadly to many 'sinking', and we're all on the same boat. We have to be united if we like it or not...And if so-called progressive, rich Europe can't do it, can't get over petty ethnic and regional parochialism, well there's no hope for this world!!!

Nothing personal Mr D, I know you're an OK bloke...just my opinion.

Kampflamm
September 7th, 2007, 08:01 PM
Don't pay too much attention to Mr. D. He's a nice guy but I doubt he represents a wider public opinion. The Nordics are known to be quite "independentist", after all both Sweden and Denmark said no to the euro, but at the end of the day they're pragmatic as well and they know that they stand to benefit from EU-membership too.

Kampflamm
September 7th, 2007, 08:08 PM
Anyway, how could Loody miss one of Europe's real gems:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Budapestparliament100.jpg

http://www.hungary-tourist-guide.com/image-files/budapest-nyugati-postcard.jpg

http://www.earth-photography.com/photos/Countries/Hungary/Hungary_Budapest_ChainBridge1.jpg

http://www.earth-photography.com/photos/Countries/Hungary/Hungary_Budapest_BasilicaStreet.jpg

http://www.earth-photography.com/photos/Countries/Hungary/Hungary_Budapest_LibertyBridge2.jpg

http://www.earth-photography.com/photos/Countries/Hungary/Hungary_Budapest_IntersectionVorosmarty.jpg

http://www.earth-photography.com/photos/Countries/Hungary/Hungary_Budapest_NightStreet.jpg

http://www.earth-photography.com/photos/Countries/Hungary/Hungary_Budapest_KeletiStation2.jpg

http://www.earth-photography.com/photos/Countries/Hungary/Hungary_Budapest_Szabadsagter_Autumn1.jpg

maartenvdbent
September 7th, 2007, 08:27 PM
I get it just fine... I just don't think that because a minority live in one place the entire rest follows automaticly..


You are UNBELIEVABLE. I tried to explain to you numerous times that no one here, except for YOU, thinks that a country can only be a part of one continent. I have never ever said that the Turks in Anatolia or the Russians in Siberia are Europeans! Istanbul, however lies in Europe and so does Moscow. Ankara is in Asia, that's why it doesn't show up in the list of European capitals.

I would say, take a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Europe

HeavenlySword
September 7th, 2007, 09:11 PM
I would say, take a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Europe

Here a quote about the bounderies of Europe in wikipedia

The boundary continues to the Caspian Sea, the crest of the Caucasus Mountains or, alternatively, the Kura River in the Caucasus, and on to the Black Sea; the Bosporus, the Sea of Marmara, and the Dardanelles conclude the Asian boundary

Bosporus,Sea of Marmara and Dardanelles are part of Turkey.Even a part of Georgia in the Caucasus is on the european continent

FREKI
September 7th, 2007, 09:23 PM
You are UNBELIEVABLE. I tried to explain to you numerous times that no one here, except for YOU, thinks that a country can only be a part of one continent.That's strange I seem to remember having said a country CAN be part of different continents..

Where we disagree seems to be about the population..

And as I recall I tried asking you about whether or not people in f.ex Aruba is or is not still Europeans?

I have never ever said that the Turks in Anatolia or the Russians in Siberia are Europeans! Istanbul, however lies in Europe and so does MoscowAnd this is where we disgree...

The man made line that makes up the European continent is disputed... and even if you count Thrace as European you still only get half the city and mainly the old part!

So even by that deffinition you only get a poplulation around half of that of London...

Istanbul looks great and I look forward tovisiting - but a European city it isn't in my book - like it or not!

About Moscow we'll never agree, so I see no point in even starting this discussion... we disagree.. let it stay at that



I thought you'd come back with something Mr DI'm down with the flu and have been for days - don't expect too much of me ( that also goes for when I'm not sick btw :D )


Quite frankly i find your posturing to smack of a superiority complex, but like all those who come across this way, they are cut down to size sooner or later.Yes fight the opposition - who cares what the people think - the EU knows better - they'll do the thinking for us.....


Also, I take it most Danes don't think like you Nope - I'm unique :D

But when it comes to further EU involvement by new treaties I think you'll find the Danes to be very against it if goes up for election ( as it will if they move on with it )

So with a 50-50 split population I feel it would be better if we simply quit - that way we wouldn't be holding others back and we could do what we want...

The EU should be the interest of all ( 90%+ population ) or not exist at all!
( we owe that to the future generations who has to live with our choices! )


when I was back-packing through Europe I'd occasionally hear a Dane (usually a woman for some reason) in a hostel whinging about the EU and its laws. 'They won't let us make these toys, we have to listen to others view...blah blah blah'... That blah blah blah'ing is the opinion of a person... you have to respect that opinions differ - even if you don't like it!

What point is there on building a union with let's say a 51% approval rating?

Such a thing is doomed from day one - and the more youforce it on people the nastier the downfall will be! ( history have taught us this SO many times- yet the power hungy people ignore this and keeps doing the same mistakes over and over again :ohno: )

Get with it, the world is shrinking and sadly to many 'sinking', and we're all on the same boat. We have to be united if we like it or not... No we don't... Denmark have done very well by itself - we've overcome every frigging obsticle from being firebombed to the stone age by the British, the plague, Swedish and German invasions, great fires you name it... it's not always easy but we always come out of it stronger..

Hudling together is imo for cowards - Denmark may just be the size of a grain of sand in this mighty univers of ours - but I'd much rather see it go down fighting if nessesary than to see it get lost and crapped over like some old Roman colony/state...

Call me what you want, think of me what you want - it matters not to me - but please accept that as an human being I have the right to my opinions and as a citizen in the EU I have every right to question it and critizize every way I see fitting!

Just as I have the right to vote every way I see fitting...

And if so-called progressive, rich Europe can't do it, can't get over petty ethnic and regional parochialism, well there's no hope for this world!!! Ofcause there's no hope... the human species is a virus - we will kill the host and then ourself.. the only thing that matters is making our tiny 1-120 years on this planet as great as posible! ( every man is responsible for his own distiny - fuck the rest if they wont listen to good advice! Survival of the fittest! )

Just because to families/countries are neighbours doesn't mean they should join up together!

( 10 specially trained individual soldiers works a lot better than a regular squad of grunts )

Nothing personal Mr D, I know you're an OK bloke...just my opinion. I know, and I fully respect it - I just don't agree that's all!

TohrAlkimista
September 7th, 2007, 09:45 PM
Don't pay too much attention to Mr. D. He's a nice guy but I doubt he represents a wider public opinion. The Nordics are known to be quite "independentist", after all both Sweden and Denmark said no to the euro, but at the end of the day they're pragmatic as well and they know that they stand to benefit from EU-membership too.

I definitely agree.
Mr D is a bad example to understand how the nordic "mood" is.

FREKI
September 7th, 2007, 10:05 PM
I definitely agree.
Mr D is a bad example to understand how the nordic "mood" is.
I'm not trying to be an example here - I only represent me!

This however would be an example of the mood up here:


-Norwegian rejection of EU membership, on both occasions
-Danish rejection of the Maastricht Treaty
-Danish rejection of the euro
-Swedish rejection of the euro
-Iceland has never applied for membership
-Greenland chose not to remain in the EU (then the EEC) when it was granted home rule by Denmark in 1979
- fewer than 3 in 10 citizens of Sweden feel their country have benefited from membership of the EU
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism

TohrAlkimista
September 7th, 2007, 10:10 PM
I'm not trying to be an example here - I only represent me!



the problem is that often it seems that you try to represent the whole scandinavia.

FREKI
September 7th, 2007, 10:18 PM
the problem is that often it seems that you try to represent the whole scandinavia.I sure hope not!

While my views doesn't differ too much from the general attitude in Denmark I can only speak for me..

Ofcause if I feel it's suited and can back it up I do post "general attitude" posts - but I hope I in them make it clear that they are just that and not "hard facts" or "conclusive evidence"

Should I have hard facts they ofcause will be posted too as just that...


BTW this is way off topic... should we get back on topic...

HeavenlySword
September 7th, 2007, 10:43 PM
Istanbul looks great and I look forward tovisiting - but a European city it isn't in my book - like it or not!

You are welcome.Istanbul excepts 10 million tourists till 2010 :cheers:

Istanbul's strategy to rank among Europe's top destinatiions for mass tourism and conventions


Most visitors rank it amongst the most exciting and vibrant cities in the world. While not matching the tourist inflows of Europe's top destinations, Istanbul is looking to make up ground on rival cities. That is through a combination of conventional tourism - dependent on the city's historical, cultural sites and shopping - in addition to the business segment, with foreign businessmen attending conventions and conferences.

According to Oxford Business Group Latest Briefings:

"Like the rest of Turkey's tourism industry, Istanbul has set its sights on some ambitious targets. The city attracted an estimated 5.5million tourists in 2006. According to Ergun Gungor, the Deputy Governor of Istanbul, the number of tourists entering Istanbul increased by 28.5% during the first three months of 2007, compared to the same period the year before. Gungor also pointed out that a 25% increase in tourist flows for 2007 would translate into close to 7 million visitors by the year-end. A consistent 15% increase in tourist numbers for the next 4 years would see numbers hit 10 million by 2010. Istanbul is clearly looking to close the gap on Europe's urban hotspots, including London with its 15.2million foreign tourists in 2006, while inner Paris recorded an estimated 27 million foreign visitors the same year.

To meet its target, the governor's office has engaged in a campaign to increase the inflow of foreign tourists. The 3rd Istanbul Tourism Festival, held in April 2007 - gathering representatives of the industry and public - was notable in this regard. Meanwhile, the Touristic Hotels & Investors Association (TUROB) continues to push ahead with various initiatives, including the Istanbul Destination Project and Istanbul Shopping Festival, to promote the city and develop its pulling power. More importantly, the EU named Istanbul the European Cultural Centre for year 2010.

Back in December 2006, Guven Tasbasi, the former deputy governor of Istanbul predicted that Istanbul would not only pull in 10m tourists by 2010 but also earn 500m euros in income from the industry.

Promoters have had little trouble selling Istanbul as a convention and conference centre, given its proximity to Europe, the Middle East and Former Soviet Union (FSU) along with its rich history and range of entertainment options. Hosting the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation Summit, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development Conference for Ministers Responsible for Small and Medium-sized Enterprises, the World Newspaper Congress and Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) in 2004 drew the international spotlight onto the city. In 2007, Istanbul hosted such events as the Eastern Mediterranean International Tourism & Travel Fair (EMITT) with 2000 attendees, along with the 4th World Mayors' Summit, hosting 196 mayors and 24 international organisations. The facilities offered by the likes of the Istanbul Lutfi Kirdar Convention and Exhibition Centre, the World Trade Centre Istanbul (WTCI) and TURYAP Exhibition Halls have clearly tempted event organisers.

Convention and conference facilities have not been the only sources of attraction. The Champions League football final in May 2005 along with the opening of the F1 Grand Prix circuit in August that year played their part. With an attendance of 110,000 spectators, out of which 50,000 were non-Turks, Istanbul's first ever F1 race not only brought in a swell of tourism revenue but also a concomitant amount of publicity."

Ludi
September 16th, 2007, 10:00 PM
come on, plz vote all! ^^

Marcus87
September 17th, 2007, 08:15 AM
Let's see what the future brings if mainland Denmark leaves and team up with Norway..


We can share our oil with you and then Denmark-Norway can dominate the arctic. :D

Marcus87
September 17th, 2007, 08:18 AM
I definitely agree.
Mr D is a bad example to understand how the nordic "mood" is.

Nordic includes Norway which rejected EU membership twice.

nike7
September 17th, 2007, 07:12 PM
Budapest

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3596/bpesteh1.png

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/677/bpestgg4.png

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3059/bpestgr4.png

http://k43.pbase.com/o6/70/356870/1/70403462.n9tzcHtX._MG_1603copy.jpg

http://k53.pbase.com/g6/93/471993/2/82242344.q2MQZXyf.jpg

http://k43.pbase.com/v3/96/271296/2/44504982.IMG_2574.jpg

http://k53.pbase.com/o2/44/546244/1/52450530.DSC06968W.JPG

http://k53.pbase.com/v3/17/550617/1/48502240.CRW_3009.jpg

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http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/4374/bpestza7.png

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8515/bpestyl4.png

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/533/bpestlc1.png

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/562/bpestjm4.png

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7141/bpestqu0.png

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1092/bpestjr9.png

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/632/bpestcv5.png

Marcus87
September 17th, 2007, 07:20 PM
Wow. Even the walls are so well preserved.

Novak
September 17th, 2007, 07:36 PM
Budapest looks stunning.

Ataman
September 17th, 2007, 08:38 PM
It was worth posting these pictures nike7, since Budapest is underrated here at this poll.

-Ataman

ERGO PROXY
September 17th, 2007, 10:53 PM
Here's a map... of Europe....

http://www.scienceineurope.net/imagens/europe3.gif

I love this map. :) I used to think Europeans are good in geography.

Pincio
September 18th, 2007, 02:28 PM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/349169381_9d098df1ea_b.jpg

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3672/eewj1.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/219/449709666_e962876a8e_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/403889588_034a5ee1ba_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/189/490650419_d369d72679_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/62271902_3e353d0907_b.jpg

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http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2382/273321785a39ed61ecbbcy6.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/23740632_d0cf6318c1_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/31/60733816_b3d0536610_b.jpg

Falcon83
September 18th, 2007, 02:56 PM
^^^sooo boring ;)

Pincio
September 18th, 2007, 03:43 PM
^^^sooo boring ;)

Boring like you.

erbse
September 18th, 2007, 04:12 PM
^^^sooo boring ;)

^ Agreed. Such a boring user u are.

frozen
September 18th, 2007, 05:14 PM
Madrid is the most exciting city in Europe by far, never sleep!

Pincio
September 18th, 2007, 07:15 PM
Madrid is the most exciting city in Europe by far, never sleep!

By far? :lol:

frozen
September 18th, 2007, 07:24 PM
By far? :lol:

I mean night-life ;)

Pincio
September 18th, 2007, 07:43 PM
I mean night-life ;)

Yes, I know.

erbse
September 18th, 2007, 08:02 PM
Of course, every single one of those offered cities is the most exciting. It's always the same - (nearly) everybody's tryin to defend his native country. Europeans are far more patriotic that other people can imagine thou ;)

Pincio
September 18th, 2007, 09:39 PM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/172057871_d6b21b2a2a.jpg?v=1186073106

Pincio
September 18th, 2007, 09:40 PM
Of course, every single one of those offered cities is the most exciting. It's always the same - (nearly) everybody's tryin to defend his native country. Europeans are far more patriotic that other people can imagine thou ;)

Yes! :D
In fact my city is the best... by far! :lol: :lol:

However, frozen says the truth, Madrid is the best city for nighlife ;)

Pincio
September 18th, 2007, 09:42 PM
My favourite city is Venice (not in the poll), then Rome, Paris, Bruges and Prague.

frozen
September 18th, 2007, 10:18 PM
Of course, every single one of those offered cities is the most exciting. It's always the same - (nearly) everybody's tryin to defend his native country. Europeans are far more patriotic that other people can imagine thou ;)

I vote for all options, because all cities have something special and different to the rest. Madrid isn't the beautiful capital in Europe by far (:D). Budapest, Prague or Roma, for example, are in my top. But all people is doing their best contribution to their capital country to show the strong points of their countries. I think that's good :)

Zagłoba sum
September 20th, 2007, 12:47 AM
For me the most beloved and most european is Prague!!!

nike7
September 21st, 2007, 04:17 PM
Budapest - "Pearl of the Danube"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Budapestnight100.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Burg_Budapest_bei_Nacht.jpg/800px-Burg_Budapest_bei_Nacht.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Budapestnewyorkpalace.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Budapest_Parlament1.jpg/800px-Budapest_Parlament1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/View_from_Citadella_on_Budapest_2005_154.jpg/800px-View_from_Citadella_on_Budapest_2005_154.jpg

ERGO PROXY
September 21st, 2007, 06:08 PM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/403889588_034a5ee1ba_b.jpg

It looks just like Caesar Palace in Las Vegas. :)

we_shine
September 21st, 2007, 10:49 PM
Well
Vienna / Wien / Wieden - for me a perfect place, an ideal combination of tradition, elegance, modernism and avangarda. A place suitable for the elytes and for the freaks. Beautifully located on the edge of the mountains, with the great communication.

Prague / Praha / Praga - an atmosphere you can feel in the air. The perfect spot for backpackers, artists, students. A great example of a fast development of the post socialist city

Lisbon / Lisboa / Lizbona - the sybol of a colonial emipre that ended eventually. Still a misteriuos beauty, an mixture of Europe, 'Arabia' and colonial far-far-away lands, melancholic fado capital, a city of steep narrow streets, trams and spectacular views...

Paris / Paris / Paryz - never ending story, pretending that it's not the world's capital would be foolish somehow...

Madrid / Madrid / Madryt - the booming capital situated in the middle of the uplands, so urban, full of people, traffic, always busy, no matter if in the middle of the day or at 4 in the morning...

That would be my top 5

Then I just realised I can get excited about every city in Europe... and write a lot about every single one... Each of the cities mentioned in the pool is absolutely special and can not be mistaken with any other. It feels absolutely fantastic.

erbse
September 21st, 2007, 11:07 PM
^ Because Europe is just unique as a whole - if we wanna keep it like that, we should protect every little part of our heritage day by day for real :)

Kampflamm
September 21st, 2007, 11:11 PM
It looks just like Caesar Palace in Las Vegas. :)

:ohno:

HeavenlySword
September 22nd, 2007, 12:54 AM
It looks just like Caesar Palace in Las Vegas. :)

:lol:

Welcome to fabolus Las Vegas with cheap copies of the world.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/a/ad/LasVegas_Kasino_Caesars_Palace.jpg/800px-LasVegas_Kasino_Caesars_Palace.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Caesars_Palace_entrance.jpg/800px-Caesars_Palace_entrance.jpg

cernoch
September 29th, 2007, 07:15 PM
[B]Budapest - "Pearl of the Danube"

I thought that Bratislava was "Pearl of the Danube". What a surprise! :lol:

Pincio
December 19th, 2007, 08:54 AM
:lol:

Welcome to fabolus Las Vegas with cheap copies of the world.


http://bloggbilder.aftonbladet.se/images/5513/img_46f935ac2d185.jpg

Dounia
December 21st, 2007, 07:18 AM
Rome, Athens, Barcelona. .. I like Med cities.

Ribarca
December 21st, 2007, 12:15 PM
Barcelona, Lisbon and Amsterdam!

Ribarca
December 21st, 2007, 12:20 PM
EU is great for poor countris like the new 15, portugal, greece and so, but for rich countries I think that it brings more prejudice than benefits.

That's a huge misconception. Rich countries are benefitting a lot. Without the huge increase in the European economies of countries like Spain Europe would be much weaker and much more prone to recessions. The same with Poland now and in the future!

Not too mention that the payments figures to the European union are heavily distorted. What if Portugal receives money for infrastructure and has a German or Dutch company build it. Money flows back and forth. In an economy 1+1 <> 2.

Ribarca
December 21st, 2007, 12:22 PM
The EU needs to destroyed for the benefit of all of us. Rich Germanic countries need to form their own union.

Being Dutch that's the last thing on my mind and on that of my countrymen.

Ribarca
December 21st, 2007, 12:26 PM
Denmark is one of the wealthiest countries in the EU.Why you are not satisfied with it???Btw. when i was a child i have played much with Lego :)

Funnily enough wealthy people are not even that wealthy since they have a semi-communist system that makes everybody poor. It's better to be rich or upper middle-class in most other countries in Europe. If the Danes want out few Europeans will care. Their economy is not that big in European terms. Poland is much more important to the union than small countries that have a lacking sense of solidarity.

Innzbrooka
January 6th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Vienna
Innsbruck
Tórshavn
Reykjavík
Stockholm
København
Oslo
Nuuk

Teschio
January 8th, 2008, 08:42 PM
Valencia (Spain)
London (United Kingdom)
Milan (Italy)
Rome (Italy)
Venice (Italy)
Barcelona (Spain)
Madrid (Spain)

Tysklandsplikt
February 23rd, 2008, 02:46 AM
Well done BERLIN! :)