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muster September 4th, 2007, 07:40 PM Holmenkollen
As Oslo was awarded the 2011 World Championships in 2006 the municipality issued a architectural design competition to rebuild Holmenkollen,
one of Norway's most iconic landmarks and Oslo most visited tourist attraction. Out of 104 entries, Julien De Smedt's proposal, "Holmenkollen
Fyr" (meaning Holmenkollen Lighthouse) won the competition. Work commenced in 2008 and the ski jump was completed just in time for the
World Championships in 2011.
Architect's description of the project:
The Holmenkollen hill plays a significant part identifying Oslo. In the Oslo panorama its characteristic profile is a clear icon, up close its majestic
steepness rises towards the sky, making heads tilt and from the top, the panorama view towards the fjord are fantastic. It is a building beyond
conventions, and it is no wonder that it is one of Oslo’s most visited tourist attractions. To create a new slope on the soil of the old requires
full awareness of its traditions.
The new Holmenkollen Beacon is extending tradition… to the sky! In emphasizing the existing landmark’s values, it strives to keep the fine
balance between majestic and simple, while introducing contemporary materials and design. Conceptually the project works with three stages
of visibility: the far-away panorama, the close-up at the foot of the slope and the view outward from the top. The shape of the silhouette is
emphasized with a sharp and simply cut.
The given wind protection profile is utilized and offset in a parallel manner downward, creating a smooth bended rectangle hosting the slope,
the main elevators and the top in-run program. The top is then sliced horizontally to accommodate a viewing platform. The Knoll building is
moved further up the hill to serve as an anchor point for the structure, letting it cantilever and avoid visually disruptive structural supports.
From a distance the structure will appear as a milky-white sharp profile extending further into the sky with a diffused beam of light; a
beacon for Oslo.
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6663/holmenkollen4x1000.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4047/holmenkollen2x1000.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9642/holmenkollen3x1000.jpg
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/1921/holmenkollen1x1000.jpg
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/681/holmenkollen7x1000a.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5129/holmenkollen5x1000.jpg
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7707/holmenkollen6x1000.jpg
Insane alex September 4th, 2007, 08:13 PM Futuristic! I like it!
knilaus September 4th, 2007, 08:16 PM I LIKE IT A LOT!!! Thank you danes, you really know your skijumping.. :cheers:
Congratulations on the beautiful project! I don't know who was responsible at jds but I believe that Julien de Smedt himself is actually of a Belgian background (not sure it would make him more knowledgeable of skijumps, though?)
safta20 September 4th, 2007, 08:47 PM Cool!! So this construction is lighted all the way from the top to the root?
Chilenofuturista September 4th, 2007, 08:50 PM Classic Holmenkollen is getting refurbished.
Good old Holmenkollen, grattis Oslobor! :cheers:
safta20 September 4th, 2007, 09:19 PM We Swedes are embarrassingly useles in ski jumping... Sweden is propably the all time most worse country in this sport after England (we all remember the Eagle:lol: !) we don't know the rules of this game...we know nothing about this sport except that Boklövs V style is considered as a very ugly and that this style allways get low "style points" (or whatever it is called)... and that the finnish judges allways give their own jumpers one extra style point:lol:... and that you get more points if you jump far... and that the best jumpers are joung children... and that the best finnish jumpers get many blondes...
But Holmenkollen is very well known in Sweden (even though some don't know where Holmenkollen is) and this symbolic construction will make Holmenkollen even more famous in Sweden!! This will be a new great landmark for Oslo (Cause Holmenkollen is outside Oslo right;)) !!
Moolio September 4th, 2007, 09:42 PM Dats wack. Is that a ski flying hill, or an ordinary one?
Gatis September 4th, 2007, 10:45 PM Impressive! really impressive organic architecutre.
Technical question - how they will make that beam of light without blinding the people on top of sky jump?
muster September 4th, 2007, 11:31 PM Congratulations on the beautiful project! I don't know who was responsible at jds but I believe that Julien de Smedt himself is actually of a Belgian background (not sure it would make him more knowledgeable of skijumps, though?)
Yes, he is a Belgian, but they were of course a team working on the project (including Danes).
Here is Julien de Smedt and Florian Kosche with the 1. Prize
http://cache.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00601/HOLMENKOLLEN_sx3122_601779s.jpg
muster September 4th, 2007, 11:33 PM Cool!! So this construction is lighted all the way from the top to the root?
Yes, its lighted all around and up to the sky....
Holmenkollen is located in the county of Oslo, but not in the city-center (of course). It takes about 20 min with subway from city-center. The new skijump will be a landmark for sure, and visible all over Oslo!
muster September 4th, 2007, 11:42 PM Impressive! really impressive organic architecutre.
Technical question - how they will make that beam of light without blinding the people on top of sky jump?
I was thinking the same, and I dont know the answer. But if I`l guess, I think the light will be projected outside the fence:)
mlm September 4th, 2007, 11:43 PM Congratulations on the beautiful project! I don't know who was responsible at jds but I believe that Julien de Smedt himself is actually of a Belgian background (not sure it would make him more knowledgeable of skijumps, though?)Wasn't Julien de Smedt the guy behind the old PLOT together with Bjarke Ingels?
Nomels September 5th, 2007, 06:25 AM wow, its something different from what I've ever seen before. I like it:)
:cheers:
NorthStar77 September 5th, 2007, 07:44 AM Finally a winning proposal I really like! I wonder how many spectators its room for.
we know nothing about this sport except that Boklövs V style is considered as a very ugly and that this style allways get low "style points" (or whatever it is called)...
That was 15 years ago or so, everyone has used Boklöv's style since;)
IceCheese September 5th, 2007, 12:32 PM Wow. Definitely approved! The top observation deck will be a great place to visit. Do we know anything about materials, by the way? That's always interesting..
Nõgesh September 5th, 2007, 06:44 PM i'm jealous :D
designwise September 5th, 2007, 08:51 PM WOW SHITTTT... that is awesome stufff!!!!!!!
Congrats to Oslo... I was visiting the old Holmenkollen 3 yrs ago... it sure is a beautiful place with great views!
This new "hill" will b an amazing landmark for the city of Oslo! ;)
Finland being the mecca of ski jumping needs smth like this... after all the greatest ski jumper of all time originates from Finland, Matti Nykänen! :D
muster September 5th, 2007, 09:09 PM Finally a winning proposal I really like! I wonder how many spectators its room for.
I havent seen any spectator-numbers, but probably it wont be less than the 50.000 capasity we have today. Homenkollen must be one of the largest sports-arenas we have in our region..
http://www.latinitas.org/phototheca/noruegia/australis/kollen.jpg
Þróndeimr September 7th, 2007, 11:40 PM Great winning design, a like it alot! Fantastic news and iom really looking forward to see this one completed in a few years!
@ muster, Holmenkollen is sure one of the biggest. The record is 120 000 spectators, and that is very impressive when thinking of Oslo and Norway as a small country as it is! :)
Bond James Bond September 8th, 2007, 08:00 AM Cool!
Looks like something that launches spaceships. ;)
NiceGuy September 8th, 2007, 09:32 AM The most boring alternative won... what a pitty! You should have seen the other alternatives, two of them looked like something from a Star Wars movie!
aholta September 8th, 2007, 09:18 PM Nice rendering of the skijump. I'm hoping it will look that spectacular when it's completed.
ØlandDK September 10th, 2007, 11:26 AM The most boring alternative won... what a pitty! You should have seen the other alternatives, two of them looked like something from a Star Wars movie!
A link to the other proposals? Would really like to see them:)
Þróndeimr October 12th, 2007, 05:35 PM Now they are considering if they are going to build a gigantic roof above the ski arena. This will keep both wind and fog away. Huge walls of steel will be built with an opening which can be closed if the weather is endangering the ski activities.
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00043/holmenkollen-duk0710_43802e.jpg
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00043/kollen-4-duk07100210_43805d.jpg
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00043/kollen-2-duk07100210_43803d.jpg
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00043/kollen-5-duk07100210_43806d.jpg
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00043/kollen-3-duk07100210_43804d.jpg
This will be interesting!
Þróndeimr October 12th, 2007, 05:43 PM A link to the other proposals? Would really like to see them:)
Here are the second place winner, named Etter Wirkola.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Norge/EtterWirkola1small.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Norge/EtterWirkola2small.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Norge/EtterWirkola3.jpg
Þróndeimr October 12th, 2007, 05:50 PM Another proposal, Nordlys, came as nr. 5 in the competition.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Norge/Nordlys1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Norge/Nordlys3.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Norge/Nordlys2.jpg
Fremtiden, won 4th place.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Norge/Fremtiden1.jpg
Boscorelli October 14th, 2007, 09:30 AM I really really like it!
It´s just a pity that the sport it's self is soo boreing!
Couldn't they scate down it or go on rollerblades down it or something, at least that would make it a bit interesting, kinda!
Ingenioren March 18th, 2009, 10:39 PM A few model-pics:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1604.jpg
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1605.jpg
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1606.jpg
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1607.jpg
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1608.jpg
Some updates from today:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1603.jpg
Extending the arena:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1611.jpg
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1612.jpg
The jumps base is being poured:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1615.jpg
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1616.jpg
Midstuen:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1640.jpg
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1641.jpg
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1642.jpg
IceCheese March 18th, 2009, 11:55 PM "Her bygger Oslo kommene"(...) Take that Kirke- og kulturdepartementet!
Ingenioren March 19th, 2009, 12:37 AM Oh yeah! And at the visitor-centre there's a cool book with many drawings of the new jump, that might just turned me around to liking this new jump better than the old. Just so you know there is actually something there other than expensive waffles ;D
ØlandDK March 19th, 2009, 01:46 AM This is gonna be a amazing structure!
marshol March 19th, 2009, 02:56 PM Nice update! Haven't been up there since summer I think...
Dan March 20th, 2009, 02:01 AM Way cool :)
ramblersen March 20th, 2009, 07:59 AM I really really like it!
It´s just a pity that the sport it's self is soo boreing!
Couldn't they scate down it or go on rollerblades down it or something, at least that would make it a bit interesting, kinda!
Couldn't they just start pushing Danes down the damn thing? One of the safest bets if you want to make a Norwegian laugh seems to be to put skis on Danes (or Danes on skis) and if done in this fashion and setting, I''m sure the outcome will be nothing short of spectacular! Only drawback I can think of is that each Dane can probably only be used once - but with the financial crisis and everything we come cheap so nothing there that the Oil Fund can't solve...
EDIT: Should some Norwegian official happen to read this and pick up the idea, please do pay me a health fee for royalties. Kind of gladiator matches revisited - Danes vs. gravity - it will be huge (and Boscorelli will never be borred again)!!!
Ingenioren March 25th, 2009, 11:24 AM Week for week updates can be found here:
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/bilder/folg_utbyggingen_av_holmenkollen_i_bilder/
Moveable webcam:
http://web.tu.no/webcam/skiforeningen/
Newest renders:
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Holmenkollbakken%20januar%2009.JPG
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Holmenkollbakken%20mot%20s%C3%B8r%C3%B8st.JPG
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Holmenkollbakken%20front.JPG
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Holmenkollbakken%20bak%20till%C3%B8p%20sept%2008.JPG
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Holmenkollbakken%20fra%20arena%20sept%2008.JPG
Midtstubakken:
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Midtstubakken%20sett%20ovenfra.jpg%20%28800x480%29.jpg
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Midtstuen%20med%20rekrutteringsbakker.jpg%20%28800x480%29.jpg
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Midtstubakken%20med%20arena%20i%20bakgrunnen.jpg%20%28800x480%29.jpg
marshol March 25th, 2009, 05:14 PM :eek: Didn't like it that much in the first place, but now I love it more and more. Can't wait!
Ingenioren March 25th, 2009, 09:22 PM I feel the same way, let's just hope they find money for the lighting-scheme:D
Ingenioren April 21st, 2009, 10:54 PM Update from TU.no :
http://www.tu.no/bygg/article206010.ece
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00106/holmenkollen-oversi_106072e.jpg
This wonderful angle with the collumns will be hidden away underneat the jump.
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00106/holmenkollen-forska_106066e.jpg
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00106/holmenkollen-heislo_106068e.jpg
The skimuseum.
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00106/holmenkollen-nedre-_106070e.jpg
The lower parts of the steelwork will be attached here, mounting starts in june.
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00106/holmenkollen-st_lfu_106074e.jpg
The concrete wall is 12 meters tall, and is the most behind part of Kollen reaching the ground.
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00106/holmenkollen-st_pef_106076e.jpg
Tiny workers;D
Spearman April 22nd, 2009, 01:00 AM Guess who's going to the inagural competition... :D
IceCheese April 22nd, 2009, 01:01 AM ^^Specially invited, or just on the national Skijumping team?
Ingenioren May 12th, 2009, 06:15 PM The slopes seen from Ekeberg, right is Midstubakken, left is Holmenkollbakken:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0423.jpg
Ingenioren May 28th, 2009, 11:47 AM The mounting of the steel beast will start in june:
http://media.aftenposten.no/archive/01039/_F-Br_dtekst-anyh4_1039603g.jpg
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/article3094380.ece
Ingenioren June 13th, 2009, 12:02 AM Latest updates (http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/bilder/folg_utbyggingen_av_holmenkollen_i_bilder/) from Oslo kommune:
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Utbyggingen/2009/29.05.09_2.jpg%20%28800x600%29.jpg
Time schedule for the works:
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/hva_skjer_i_kollen/article126279-35978.html
Ingenioren July 16th, 2009, 04:59 PM Steelmounting begins today:
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/sport/article3171148.ece
Ingenioren July 20th, 2009, 04:15 PM First piece of steel with tiny workers:
http://www.nrk.no/contentfile/file/1.6701644!f11CropList/img462x462.jpg
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostlandssendingen/1.6701627
SMCD August 17th, 2009, 05:08 PM http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/article3220150.ece
Looks like someone’s not too good with numbers. 600 million NOK budget bust on this project. New estimated cost; NOK 1,8 billion.
The new design better turn out great. ;)
marshol August 17th, 2009, 05:29 PM Nice aerials from Dabladet.no (http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/08/17/nyheter/politikk/valg09/holmenkollen/hopp/7695302/) about the same budget "scandal"
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/769/769581/7695812/jpg/active/960x.jpg
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/769/769580/7695809/jpg/active/503x.jpg
Þróndeimr August 17th, 2009, 11:56 PM Not good with these scandals all the time... just hope this won't halt the project.
Ingenioren August 18th, 2009, 11:06 AM Why is it so important to have a "test-vm" anyway?
Fender56 August 19th, 2009, 05:11 PM As you all know this project is partly Danish, here´s a view from the Danish side, of the blunder.:
http://ing.dk/artikel/101607-skihopbakken-holmekollen-en-historisk-byggeskandale
:|
Hansadyret August 19th, 2009, 06:35 PM 1,8 billion NOK for a skijump in foghell:lol: Only in Norway. As long as Oslo themselves and not the state has to come up with the money, no problem.
Fender56 August 19th, 2009, 06:50 PM 1,8 billion NOK for a skijump in foghell:lol: Only in Norway. As long as Oslo themselves and not the state has to come up with the money, no problem.
What I fear the most is, This is just the forerunner of the the new High-Speed-Train project in Noway, planned to cost 400.000.000.000 Nkr.
I see it ending, at more than the double costs, if the same kind of people do the everyday control.... (A PROJECT NEVER EVER, TO BE PAYED BY THE PASSENGERS)
:nuts:
City of Rain August 19th, 2009, 07:18 PM 1,8 billion NOK for a skijump in foghell:lol: Only in Norway. As long as Oslo themselves and not the state has to come up with the money, no problem.
yeah, if my tax money goes to giving oslo a "much needed" 1,8 billion dollar skijump, then... argh.
i already pay to keep their bus tickets at such a low cost.. :ohno:
mjoks007 August 19th, 2009, 08:16 PM Oslo kommune pays most of it. I think the new Holmenkollen is a good investment.
And Fender, try to keep criticism of the railroadproject in the right thread..
Hansadyret August 19th, 2009, 08:31 PM What I fear the most is, This is just the forerunner of the the new High-Speed-Train project in Noway, planned to cost 400.000.000.000 Nkr.
I see it ending, at more than the double costs, if the same kind of people do the everyday control.... (A PROJECT NEVER EVER, TO BE PAYED BY THE PASSENGERS)
:nuts:
800 Billion NOK is nothing, just the last few month's we've made 300 Billion on our stock investments:D, but than again before that we lost 600 billion:lol:
Maybe it's better we invest it all before we loose everything.
On a more serious note if sweden can build new tracks between Gothenburg and Stockholm for 100 B SEK i'm sure it would not be that much more expensive in Norway exept for some parts in western Norway, but again with long tunnels there is no problem with land owners.
IceCheese August 19th, 2009, 09:02 PM yeah, if my tax money goes to giving oslo a "much needed" 1,8 billion dollar skijump, then... argh.
i already pay to keep their bus tickets at such a low cost.. :ohno:
Why does everyone seem to think that Oslo needs money from the rest of the country? Oslo municipal alone (not inclding surrounding municipals) pay 3,7 BILLIONS EVERY YEAR to keep rural Norway alive through what is known as "momskompensasjonsordningen". As stated in this thread, Oslo pays far more than half of this national arena, while Trond Giske leans back and point out his dislikings of the project. The 600 mio of budget transgression is also NOTHING compared to what the national government has wasted on unneccessary panicking in the also current Swine-flu matter.
Ingenioren August 20th, 2009, 01:24 AM i already pay to keep their bus tickets at such a low cost.. :ohno:
You have never done such a thing, get out of here.... :bash: GODDAMNIT
Spearman August 20th, 2009, 06:07 AM yeah, if my tax money goes to giving oslo a "much needed" 1,8 billion dollar skijump, then... argh.
i already pay to keep their bus tickets at such a low cost.. :ohno:
Well, I pay for "Tunnels to Nowhere" on Vestlandet all the time, so I guess we all get our little share of "Spleiselaget".
If you're trying to compare hard facts about percentages of government funds received in taxes spent locally, be my guest. But I think you'll find that the often told story of Østlandet being a leech on the wealth created elsewhere is just that - a story.
HasseVonHammarby August 20th, 2009, 08:39 AM What I fear the most is, This is just the forerunner of the the new High-Speed-Train project in Noway, planned to cost 400.000.000.000 Nkr.
I see it ending, at more than the double costs, if the same kind of people do the everyday control.... (A PROJECT NEVER EVER, TO BE PAYED BY THE PASSENGERS)
:nuts:
And I think that you Designwise, ops sorry I meant Fender56, should leave your village and go to Norway and teach them about economy and maybe do some instructions in highway driving as well. I am sure the Norwegians would appreciate it.:bash:
City of Rain August 20th, 2009, 01:27 PM whatever. it has been a known fact for years.
i found this today. check the poll on the left side http://www.ba.no/
norway is known as one of the wealthiest nations on earth. why is norway so wealthy? because of oil. norway is often called an "oilnation".
now where does all this oil come from? oslofjorden? :lol: no. western norway is the answer.
the next step would be comparing city budgets, where oslos budget is something like... ten times as big as bergens, when its only a little more than twice as big. the skjeivfordeling exists and its nothing but ridiculous.
Þróndeimr August 20th, 2009, 01:39 PM Again, this is not the thread for Oslo vs. Bergen discussions. Better do that privately on msn or something!
Northon August 20th, 2009, 02:11 PM No need to complain about it. Just think of all our tax money that our government has wastet on who know's what! For those money we could have built a lot, yes a LOT of new Holmenkollen ski arenas. I don't say that we should do so, just to get a perspectiv of it. So please don't envy Oslo this, let oss all rather enjoy and welcome our new national arena.
NorthStar77 August 20th, 2009, 02:25 PM And, as I think someone mentioned, it is Oslo municipality that will pay the entire cost of this scandal, like this article says http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/article3220150.ece
So it is only us inhabitants in Oslo that will have to pay this, over 1000 kroner per tax-payer.
City of Rain August 20th, 2009, 02:35 PM well, atleast thats good news!!
kjetilab August 20th, 2009, 02:38 PM And you would have known if you had bothered to pay any attention in e.g. Aftenposten or NRK or anywhere really...
mjoks007 August 20th, 2009, 03:01 PM This is Norways clearly most visited place by tourist, we should all be glad and pround imo, for this new beautiful skijump.
Ingenioren August 20th, 2009, 03:13 PM Don't know about that, when i went there i was completly alone... :P
m00seofd00m August 20th, 2009, 04:27 PM And, as I think someone mentioned, it is Oslo municipality that will pay the entire cost of this scandal, like this article says http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/article3220150.ece
So it is only us inhabitants in Oslo that will have to pay this, over 1000 kroner per tax-payer.
will the tax-payers of olso be allowed a free go on it when it's completed?!
:nuts:
City of Rain August 20th, 2009, 05:02 PM Don't know about that, when i went there i was completly alone... :P
same here. i just took a leak in the water at the bottom of it, and went back down into the city.
and @ mjoks, im glad its being built, and im also glad that i wont be paying for it :)
dont you think that the money will eventually be paid back because of tourism, though? i mean, with a new holmenkollen many more people are going to want to visit oslo.
NorthStar77 August 21st, 2009, 07:38 AM will the tax-payers of olso be allowed a free go on it when it's completed?!
:nuts:
I highly doubt that..
Ingenioren September 11th, 2009, 10:37 AM Updates from 10/9-09:
Starting to look majestic already, 3 steelsections are inplace:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Sept09/DSC_0430.jpg
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Sept09/DSC_0439.jpg
There is more to the facility than just the jump, here are some skipists-bridges being worked on:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Sept09/DSC_0429.jpg
What use will they find for this one?
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Sept09/DSC_0432.jpg
Midtstubakken:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Sept09/DSC_0446.jpg
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Sept09/DSC_0449.jpg
mjoks007 September 11th, 2009, 10:49 AM What use will they find for this one?
Wasn't that bought by Tommy Sharif to use in the skimuseum?
Edit: No, this is from midtstubakken right?
Ingenioren September 11th, 2009, 01:24 PM Wasn't that bought by Tommy Sharif to use in the skimuseum?
Yes, but for what :)
KiwiRob September 14th, 2009, 07:42 PM Nice to see the contractor is using (made in Norway) Moxy trucks on the site.
SMCD October 6th, 2009, 12:22 AM An article in Aftenposten today about the progress of the project;
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/article3304936.ece
Just a little over five months till the ski jump must be useable ...
Ingenioren November 7th, 2009, 04:59 PM Some photos from the city website, here is section 6 mounted, the first of 3 sections without vertical support. Accordingly section 7 and 8 will be mounted this month :banana:
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Seksjon6_hele.jpg%20%28800x533%29.jpg
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/seksjoner_storbakken.jpg%20%28800x552%29.jpg
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Seksjon6_4.jpg%20%28800x533%29.jpg
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Seksjon6_11.jpg%20%28800x533%29.jpg
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/kollenforfraseksjon6.jpg%20%28800x334%29.jpg
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Status_oktober%20051.jpg%20%28800x533%29.jpg
dexter26 November 8th, 2009, 08:52 PM I'm not extremely happy with the x2 price for a skijump that ended up far less impressive/stylish than the original proposal (the one in the 1st post here).
(Or am I wrong and they're still using the original proposal??)
muster November 8th, 2009, 09:10 PM I'm not extremely happy with the x2 price for a skijump that ended up far less impressive/stylish than the original proposal (the one in the 1st post here).
(Or am I wrong and they're still using the original proposal??)
No, they are not.
It is really a diabolic irony that that the project was delayed because the winner proposal was to expencive. Finally they went for a cheaper version, but then they had to work faster resulting in a more expencive project.
So now we have a cheaper version, only more expencive than the cooler project we couldn't afford. :ohno:
This could be funny if it was a singel mistake, but sadly this is how this country is runned in many ways :bash:
mjoks007 November 8th, 2009, 09:25 PM I thought this was the winner just without the cool light....
IceCheese November 8th, 2009, 09:34 PM Well, originaly the white "ribbon" was supposed to go around the tribune, which you might see on the early renders. I also think they removed the public space on top of the tower, or didn't they?
See the difference from here...:
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/51/511/511020/h2858_1188916992.jpg
...to here:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/holmenkollentur/DSC_1606.jpg
Spearman November 10th, 2009, 08:33 AM Why are they bothering to fill the outrun with concrete anyway? It's not that uncommon these days, but it's completely unnecessary snobbery started in Japan before the Nagano olympics that somehow convinced everyone it wasn't a real skijump unless it had concrete covering as well. When you run over the budget that much, you should slash costs where you can - especially if it won't hamper operations.
marshol November 10th, 2009, 01:59 PM Watch the ramp and the rest of the stadium grow.
http://web.tu.no/webcam/
Ingenioren November 11th, 2009, 02:29 PM ^ The piece #7 is being mounted now:)
IceCheese November 14th, 2009, 01:41 AM http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/JDS_AGENDA_COVER_550px.jpg
GlennHGSD November 14th, 2009, 07:57 PM WTF? :nuts:
Ingenioren November 19th, 2009, 12:46 PM 13/11-09: One section to go:
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Utbyggingen/2009/13.11.09_2.jpg%20%28800x600%29.jpg
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Utbyggingen/2009/13.11.09_1.jpg%20%28800x600%29.jpg
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Utbyggingen/2009/13.11.09_3.jpg%20%28800x600%29.jpg
Riselkpgtothetop November 20th, 2009, 03:19 PM Heja norge! :)
marshol November 24th, 2009, 03:21 PM Looks like the last section is on now!
Webcam (http://web.tu.no/webcam/)
Ingenioren November 24th, 2009, 06:57 PM Yep, it's topped out (http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/article.php?articleID=151581&categoryID=30816) :)
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/taarnet_siden_2.jpg%20%28800x533%29.jpg
Ingenioren November 24th, 2009, 10:21 PM How it looks from Tøyen:
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/241109/CSC_0785.jpg
IceCheese December 21st, 2009, 07:42 PM I'm not that often up at Holmenkollen. Therefor I have someone to take them for me. This picture was in the latest newsletter from JDS architects:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/JDS-XMAS09-NY2010.jpg
:banana: :cheers:
KiwiRob December 23rd, 2009, 09:45 PM Are there any photos of the second smaller jump under construction, I have no idea what it is supposed to look like.
mjoks007 December 24th, 2009, 01:22 AM Haven´t seen any under construction myself, but here are the renders (http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/english/upgrading_the_national_arena/?textBrowser=1)
SMCD January 22nd, 2010, 03:50 PM Bar and observation deck at the top of Holmenkollbakken set to open this summer;
http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/restaurant_uteliv/article334133.ece
Will be a great attraction. :)
marshol January 22nd, 2010, 04:19 PM Great. I feared they would skip it.
Ingenioren January 22nd, 2010, 05:03 PM Definatly worth posting here:
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Bilder_fra_toppen_av_taarnet%20039.jpg%20%28800x533%29.jpg
15/1-10:
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Utbyggingen/2010/15.01.2010_1.jpg%20%28800x600%29.jpg
På toppen skal det bygges glassfasader som er så høye at man ikke skal kunne lene seg utover.
Boring, i wanna lean out!
KiwiRob January 22nd, 2010, 08:45 PM So far I think I prefer the looks of the previous jump better, I guess I'll just have to wait and see what the finished jump looks like, hopefully it will improve.
Ingenioren January 23rd, 2010, 03:57 PM I enjoy it very much now that i see the result, it appears to be floating on air nearly without vertical support when viewed from the side as the picture above :)
pgaa February 1st, 2010, 01:37 PM Should there be no windows in the jumpers area and these premises under the viewpoint?
Just look at webcam at the TU website, it is the deck of this steel lining all the way ...
What is it really in the rooms under the viewpoint on the top ?
IceCheese February 1st, 2010, 05:20 PM Should there be no windows in the jumpers area and these premises under the viewpoint?
Just look at webcam at the TU website, it is the deck of this steel lining all the way ...
What is it really in the rooms under the viewpoint on the top ?
I'm not sure what you mean by "viewpoint", the whole overrennet (where the jumpers catches speed), will be covered in a half-see throughable steel grid, which is supposed to protect against the strong winds on Holmenkollen. The buildings you see by the jump are for the judges and coaches, usually...
IceCheese February 5th, 2010, 12:54 AM According to Byggeindustrien, the ski jump has now been certified by FIS (the international skiing organisation), so the trial world championship is still on!:banana:
Link: http://www.bygg.no/id/50563.0
Ingenioren February 16th, 2010, 04:45 PM Some updates from 16/2-10
This is as close one gets at the moment:
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1014.jpg
From behind one can get sort of close too
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1015.jpg
Can't wait to try the viewpoint in june, one has to feel some sway in this awsome cantilever:
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1016.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1020.jpg
Closeup from the tower - i sure hope this is the final outside layer, i love this seetrough-appearance, enhances the "floating on air"-feeling of the tower - must also be the wet-dream for a light-designer to work on this tower!:happy: Let's hope there's eventually enough money for some sort of lighting... :ohno:
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1023.jpg
Looking down over the ski-arena:
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1026.jpg
Very gracefull isn't it?
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1028.jpg
Midtstubakken is well on the way aswell:
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1032.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1036.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1038.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1040.jpg
marshol February 16th, 2010, 05:39 PM Excellent update! This hill is growing on me everytime I see it, and I'm so excited to go up in the top. :cheers:
muster February 16th, 2010, 08:35 PM http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/16feb10/DSC_1038.jpg
Not sure if it is your foot Ingenioren, or the angle from where you took the photo, but the hill does look a bit unbalanced. Isn't it much broader on the right side..???
Þróndeimr February 17th, 2010, 11:19 AM Nice update, the skijump is looking really cool now!
IceCheese February 17th, 2010, 05:34 PM I hope they get the money to cover up the concrete building s on the side of the jump, as was part of the preliminary plans. Raw concrete is not that beautiful.... It also looks as they've saved money on only covering the steelbeams with the gridpattern on the outside. This project truly speaks savings and cuts, doesn't it?
Newest renders:
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Holmenkollbakken%20januar%2009.JPG
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Holmenkollbakken%20mot%20s%C3%B8r%C3%B8st.JPG
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Webside%20forutbyggingsprosjektet%20i%20Holmenkollen%20til%20VM%202011%20%28HKP%29/Internett%20%28HKP%29/Bilder/Holmenkollbakken%20front.JPG
Here you also see that the hill is "unbalanced" on purpose, Muster;)
Aftenposten's Lotte Sandberg writes her comments on the skijump: http://www.aftenposten.no/kul_und/anmeldelser/article3521448.ece
SMCD February 17th, 2010, 09:31 PM I hope they get the money to cover up the concrete building s on the side of the jump, as was part of the preliminary plans. Raw concrete is not that beautiful.... It also looks as they've saved money on only covering the steelbeams with the gridpattern on the outside. This project truly speaks savings and cuts, doesn't it?
If they cut corners now and skip those features it would be terrible. Let's hope they aren't that senseless.
marshol February 17th, 2010, 10:12 PM I think they will complete it properly. Doesn't look like they're done with the construction work. But who knows, it might end like those air towers in Bjørvika.:ohno:
http://media.aftenposten.no/archive/01209/_Escenic-holmen_de_1209146a.jpg
IceCheese February 18th, 2010, 12:14 AM ^^Well, as you can read in the article I link to, it doesn't seem that way...
Ingenioren February 18th, 2010, 05:06 PM Sounds unbelieveable, they still have a year to come to their senses tough... In the meantime - this shot is worth posting here, AWESOME! :happy:
http://media.aftenposten.no/archive/01209/_Escenic-holmen_ek_1209150a.jpg
pgaa February 21st, 2010, 06:19 AM Blir konge med en ny bakke i kollen..Ikke at bakken er fullt en innertier likevel..
Den har en fin profil, men blir vel litt mye stål spørr du meg..
Dommertribune og kongetribune er ikke spesielt pent innredet de heller syns jeg, minner meg mere om en sengepost på sykehus enn dommerlokale for så vidt.. Burde også valgt en hel annen type vinduer..
Apropo kledning, så skal vel konge/dommertribune kles inn i løpet av sommern etter det jeg har hørt... Men stusser litt på hvorfor de har hengt en lampe høyt oppe på kongetribunen der..Skulle tro den ble i veien ?
Og de burde gjort mere ut av området i skåla..
Noe som blir spennede å se nå, er jo hvordan denne bakken lyssettes.. Håper JDS presser på med sitt forslag om LED-belysning..
Og som typisk norsk er da - vi prøver heller 2 ganger isteden for å ta det beste og første alternativet, så kankje vi sparer litt...
Første forslaget fra JDS kostet hvertfall ikke 1,8 milliarder... Norsk gjennomføring på sitt beste!
Så konklusjonen er: Den er bra, men langt fra perfekt ..
marshol February 21st, 2010, 03:15 PM It will be finished on monday (tomorrow). Ready to jump in, that means, they have about a year to make the final details, lights and cladding.
marshol March 1st, 2010, 01:28 PM Anette Sagen (http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/03/01/sport/holmenkollen/hopp/politikk/ski/10648998/) will be the first to jump in the new hill on wednesday March 3rd. After her will 20 others get a chance to jump.
Ingenioren March 1st, 2010, 06:33 PM The hill viewed from the Opera house, 1/3-10:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/bruxbjor10/CSC_1409.jpg
muster March 1st, 2010, 08:22 PM When will the bar open?
Ingenioren March 1st, 2010, 10:58 PM In june i believe.
De Gothia March 2nd, 2010, 09:04 PM Truly spectacular! Congrats Oslo! I might go to see the WC next year (it is next year right?).
mjoks007 March 2nd, 2010, 09:51 PM ^^I think there is "prøve VM" this year actually. And world championship next year!
Ingenioren March 4th, 2010, 03:04 PM More photos of Holmenkollen:
http://www.tu.no/bygg/bildeserier/article238916.ece
ramblersen March 17th, 2010, 09:00 AM Doesn't this AT ALL scare Norwegians?:dizzy:
http://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2010/03/dzn_Holmenkollen-ski-jump-by-Julien-de-Smedt-opens-2.jpg
http://www.dezeen.com/2010/03/16/holmenkollen-ski-jump-by-jds-architects-opens/
virgule82 March 17th, 2010, 10:21 AM Doesn't this AT ALL scare Norwegians?:dizzy:
http://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2010/03/dzn_Holmenkollen-ski-jump-by-Julien-de-Smedt-opens-2.jpg
http://www.dezeen.com/2010/03/16/holmenkollen-ski-jump-by-jds-architects-opens/
Heh, there are a lot more people who watch skijumping than actually do it themselves. People joke that there are more skijumps in Norway than actual skijumpers. So I guess it does scare people - I know it scares me.
muster July 3rd, 2010, 12:06 AM Am I the first SSC forumer to try the the new tower/lift? I think so :D
I can confirm that the view is great from the roof terrace, that you can feel the tower shake a bit when the lift is moving, and that you get a nice feeling of hight looking down thru the windows on the backside.
Ingenioren December 8th, 2010, 11:31 AM Updates from 2/12:
http://www.holmenkollen.oslo.kommune.no/article.php?articleID=181560&categoryID=30816
Þróndeimr January 24th, 2011, 08:29 PM Arkitekten ber om fokus i nedslaget
http://www.arkitektnytt.no/arkitekten-ber-om-fokus-i-nedslaget
Igjen vekkes diskusjonen om gjennomføring av prosjekter etter arkitektkonkurranser. – Offentlige byggherrer må være mer bevisste på sitt ansvar for å bygge helhetlig arkitektur, sier presidenten i Norske Arkitekters Landsforbund, Kjersti Nerseth.
I en artikkel på nrk.no i dag fremstår arkitekt Julien De Smedt som generelt misfornøyd med det nye anlegget i Holmenkollen. I overskrifts form fremheves det at den opprinnelige ideen om en lysstråle fra toppen av bakken ikke er blitt gjennomført, og arkitekten siteres på at ”bakken ikke ble slik vi hadde tegnet den”. I kommentarfeltet på nrk.no ble arkitekters forfengelighet på raskt et tema.
– Har dere problemer med å stå inne for bygget slik det ser ut nå?
– Som helhet er vi svært fornøyd med Holmenkollbakken, sier Julien De Smedt til Arkitektnytt. – Vi er kommet langt og har oppnådd mye siden vi vant konkurransen i 2007. Det overordnede designet har blitt bedre og skarpere og vi har fått til både platå på toppen og å fullføre vindskjerm og fasade. Dette er vi svært fornøyd med, og byggets fjernvirkning og profil er vi svært stolte over.
– Detaljtegninger ikke fulgt
De Smedt understreker at uttalelsene på nrk.no er tatt ut av sammenheng og klippet sammen med eldre kommentarer som til sammen gir et skjevt bilde av problemstillingen.
– Hva har dere vært uenige med byggherren om? Hva slags avgjørelser har vært i strid med deres idé?
– Vi har hatt flere utfordringer i løpet av prosjekteringsfasen av Holmenkollbakken. De fleste er blitt løst fortløpende. Det vi nå er bekymret for, er detaljene. Ved flere tilfeller har vi dessverre opplevd at våre tegninger ikke er blitt fulgt, uten at dette er kommunisert til oss. Dette har flere steder et svært uheldig resultat, spesielt når det gjelder nærvirkningen. Vi er i dialog med byggherre om å rette opp en del av disse detaljene i etterkant av VM, en dialog vi håper fortsetter som planlagt etter at mesterskapet er avsluttet.
– Risikerer dårlig omdømme
Arkitektene frykter at fokus på den manglende lysstrålen kan føre til en avsporing av debatten, og de får støtte av Norske Arkitekters Landsforbunds president Kjersti Nerseth.
– Dette handler om større og viktigere spørsmål, nemlig om offentlige byggherrers ansvar for å gjennomføre prosjekter på en skikkelig måte i etterkant av arkitektkonkurranser, sier Nerseth.
– Hvorfor mener NAL det er viktig å diskutere gjennomføringen av Holmenkollen-byggingen?
– Først vil jeg understreke at jeg uttaler meg på generelt grunnlag, siden vi i NAL foreløpig ikke kjenner detaljene i hva som har vært uenighetene mellom arkitekt og utbygger her. Det vil vi nå undersøke nærmere. Generelt vil jeg si at hvis arkitekter som har vunnet norske konkurranser om offentlige prosjekter erfarer at de ikke får følge prosessen til mål, risikerer vi å pådra oss et dårlig omdømme. Konsekvensen kan være at de gode arkitektkontorene, nasjonale og internasjonale, avstår fra å delta i store offentlige konkurranser.
– Hva kan gå galt underveis?
– I det et arkitektkontor vinner en konkurranse, er bare en liten prosentandel av objektet prosjektert; det er et skisseforslag. Ofte gjenstår størstedelen av det som skal tegnes og planlegges før bygget står ferdig. Det må dessuten gjøres endringer underveis, ofte mange og store, og det er viktig at dette skjer på en tilfredsstillende måte. Hvis det er noen andre enn det vinnende arkitektkontoret som gjør størsteparten av prosjekteringen, sier det seg selv at bygget ikke får en gjennomført detaljering og helhet som samsvarer med vinnerforslaget fra konkurransen. Alle, og særlig de som skal bruke byen vår, er tjent med at vi får gjennomført og god offentlig arkitektur, sier Nerseth.
pgaa January 26th, 2011, 06:31 AM Holmenkollen yesterday.. Beautiful? - Well, im not sure..
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e100/007pga/IMG_0862.jpg
Ingenioren January 26th, 2011, 01:06 PM Nicest skijump i ever saw, frankly!
Airwalker February 6th, 2011, 01:26 AM Hi.
I came to this thread through a google-search and I got a short question about the wonderful new Holmenkollen-skijump area:
Does somebody know what kind of track system (where the jumpers ride downwards) is installed on the bakken? I just read something about a modern ice-track, but nothing special...
I dont think, that on such a modern building a regular snowtrack must be build; that would mean "tons" of snow every time which must be prepared and always the risk, that sun or rain damages the track and in worst case its necessary to cancel the events..
Maybe somebody had informations or some pictures about it!
Looking forward.
Best regards!
Spearman February 6th, 2011, 04:16 AM Hi.
I came to this thread through a google-search and I got a short question about the wonderful new Holmenkollen-skijump area:
Does somebody know what kind of track system (where the jumpers ride downwards) is installed on the bakken? I just read something about a modern ice-track, but nothing special...
I dont think, that on such a modern building a regular snowtrack must be build; that would mean "tons" of snow every time which must be prepared and always the risk, that sun or rain damages the track and in worst case its necessary to cancel the events..
Maybe somebody had informations or some pictures about it!
Looking forward.
Best regards!
They use ice, which is maintained by cooling elements underneath. Building it is a matter of slowly applying water in layers, but once it's there, it lasts all winter with minimal effort. This is quite standard and is well liked by jumpers for its low friction and good feel. It usually works well except when heavy snow or rain can give the tracks patches with more friction that surprises jumpers and gets them off balance. When it's too hot for ice, plastic or porcelain can be used. I don't think there is currently any facilities for summer jumping in the outrun, but the inrun has a porcelain track and I think there are plans for adding plastic to the outrun in the future.
Historically there was a small lake (Besserudkjernet) in the "bowl" in summer (drained for the winter season and filled in summer), but that has now been discontinued. For that reason the hill has not seen summer ski jumping events in the past (but there has been a lot of other kinds of events).
muster February 6th, 2011, 12:51 PM Holmenkollen yesterday.. Beautiful? - Well, im not sure..
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e100/007pga/IMG_0862.jpg
Jeg er ganske skuffet over det endelige resultatet. En ting er den fraværende lysstrålen og det litt billige uferdige uttrykket materialvalget gir på nært hold , men det som kanskje plager meg mest er den manglende symmetrien.
Jeg har kommentert tidligere at sporene i overrennet ikke er lagt i midten , men til venstre.. Nå ser jeg også at vindskjermingen med kommentatordelen (?) strekker seg lenger ned i tribuneseksjonen på venste side (!!!). Jeg skjønner ikke de valgene som er gjort her, og det plager meg virkelig. Det er som å henge opp et bilde skjevt på veggen, med overlegg. :ohno:
Ingenioren February 6th, 2011, 05:21 PM Awesome cladding makes up for any other defaults you might find :)
IceCheese February 6th, 2011, 10:27 PM Historically there was a small lake (Besserudkjernet) in the "bowl" in summer (drained for the winter season and filled in summer), but that has now been discontinued. For that reason the hill has not seen summer ski jumping events in the past (but there has been a lot of other kinds of events).
The word "tjern" in Norwegian is written with a "t"!!! I can't believe you made this error!:bash::bash:
Spearman February 6th, 2011, 11:54 PM The word "tjern" in Norwegian is written with a "t"!!! I can't believe you made this error!:bash::bash:
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btw, I can't very well change it now that you reposted my original mistake, now can I? What good would that do? ;)
Truth of it is that I have fat fingers. So I miss the letters on my qwerty sometimes.
IceCheese February 7th, 2011, 01:42 AM Jeg håper vi kommer ned til kjernen av problemet, som jo er at vi ikke lenger får kjernet ost i Holmenkollanlegget.
Kjære Spydmann, kan du få fyllt området med tjære, slik at vi slipper dette problemet?
pgaa February 7th, 2011, 03:52 PM Jeg er ganske skuffet over det endelige resultatet. En ting er den fraværende lysstrålen og det litt billige uferdige uttrykket materialvalget gir på nært hold , men det som kanskje plager meg mest er den manglende symmetrien.
Jeg har kommentert tidligere at sporene i overrennet ikke er lagt i midten , men til venstre.. Nå ser jeg også at vindskjermingen med kommentatordelen (?) strekker seg lenger ned i tribuneseksjonen på venste side (!!!). Jeg skjønner ikke de valgene som er gjort her, og det plager meg virkelig. Det er som å henge opp et bilde skjevt på veggen, med overlegg. :ohno:
Dette vil jeg tippe er av den enkle grunn, da for man plass å stå, hadde sporet vært centret hadde det blitt smalt på begge sider.
Og så har det veil litt med å gjøre at trappen og dette opp til platået på toppen...
Ja er helt enig. Sluttresultatet er helt tragisk.. Oslo kommune har ødelagt en attraksjon slik dem har holdt på i denne saken. Må være kjipt å være arkitekt i denne sammenhengen, og hele tiden blitt motarbeidet. Ikke nok med at førsteutkastet han tegnet ble skrinlagt, så holder dem jagge på å diskutere endringer og hva som skal gjøre med hans siste og nåværende resultat. Da burde han hvertfall fått gjennomført planene sine.. Skamløst av Oslo kommune spørr du meg ! Har Oslo kommune litt vett igjen, så tar dem en runde med arkitekten etter Ski-VM 2011, og gjør endringer som er/var planlagt etter hans siste planer.. Jeg blir flau av å være norsk..
Hva skulle Oslo kommune med en internasjonal arkitektkonkurranse?? Når dem vet best selv.. Samma holder vel på å skje med det nye Munch-museet i Bjørvika, Oslo kommune prøver å bevise en arkitekt om hva som er best...!
Første som er tragisk er matriellvalg, herregud så kjedelig en bakke. Trist å grått, den skulle vel heller egentlig vært hvit? Og hva med belysningen, man burde absolutt hatt denne lysstrålen, og LED-lys langs ned bakken. Eneste positive sånn sett med at lysstrålen ikke kom/kommer, er vel at man slipper å høre kaklinga fra tullingene i Naturvernforbundet om sløsning med energi - for gjett om dem hadde komme å banen.. Kulbygget under bakken burde også vært jevnet med jorda, noe også som var i JDS Architects siste planer - men som ikke de som tror de er eksperter i Oslo kommune fant seg i..
Og hva var budsjettet opprinnelig for nye Holmenkollen? 300 mill eller hva det var, han som har regnet ut det kan ikke ha vært mye edru den dagen, for uansett bakke en hadde bygd - så hadde ikke den summe holdt. Og for 1, 8 milliarder hører det ingen steder hjemme at tribunene i skåla ikke er gjort noe med..
Man burde helt klart bygd bakken etter de opprinnelige tegningene fra JDS Architects. Om så anlegget hadde kostet 3 milliarder, så hadde det vært god investering på langt sikt.. Men det er slikt av mange ting en ikke forstår her til lands.. At det ble stål og betong er jo ingen overraskelse - vedlikeholdsfritt vettu...tullinger :s
Men hva kunne en forvente? Ola Nordmann er vel det dummeste folkeslaget i verden når det gjelder byggeprosjekter og infrastruktur generelt! Man tenker ikke langsiktig i det hele tatt, her går lommeboka foran alt..
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e100/007pga/IMG_0865.jpg
Ser man på dette f.eks er ikke dette vakkert. Skal man ikke bygge tak over kongetribunen? Og heller ikke særlig pent overgangen mellom stålet og betongelementene kongetribune/lounge er bygd opp av. Man kan se de firkantede elementene bak stålkledningen, mens stålkledningen skrår..Man har ikke engang fått til rett avsluting over vinduene engang på alle vinduer..Om man ser på det siste vinduet nederste rad..Håpløst..
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e100/007pga/IMG_0864.jpg
Nede å skåla burde man gjort store forbedringer.. En ting jeg ikke fatter, hvorfor man ikke har gjort noe med området der det ikke er tribune, men kun en jordhaug. Og ser man på jakkeslagtribunen til venstre har man rekkverk nede i spissen, mens på jakkeslagtribunen til høyre har man ikke.. Lurer på hvorfor, ser hvertfall ikke pent ut.
IceCheese February 7th, 2011, 04:07 PM latterlig at oslo kommune måtte ta regningen for dette prosjektet i første omgang. hva er dette for en skinasjon, som ikke har råd til en skarve hoppbakke i landets hovedstad engang?!
Galro February 7th, 2011, 04:12 PM I think it turned out to be a good looking skijump in is own right even though I can see the architects critism conserning his orginal vision and the way it's been altered.
Ingenioren February 10th, 2011, 03:10 PM Major update coming your way:
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Metro station:
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mjoks007 February 10th, 2011, 03:25 PM Great update(s)! Only 13 days left now:happy:
pgaa February 10th, 2011, 05:55 PM Nydelige bilder dette av en stygg Holmenkollen og en pen Midtstubakke :) :) En feil er bl.a at det er for mange typer rekkverk benyttet her å der, ikke system i det hele tatt..
Ser nesten ut som stålkledningen holder på å dette av på den ytterste balkongen hos kongen der.. Sakl det ikke komme tak over kongetribunen?
De flaggstengene bak tribuene på langrensstadion, er dem midlertidige eller montert for at dem skal sto der etter Ski-VM ?
Ingenioren February 21st, 2011, 09:59 PM Nice photo of Holmenkollen in the fog:
http://gfx.nrk.no/6vYQBCA5kER_P7u8p5Ah_Qs99jvzh4yJyDQfoH7JOuXQ.jpg
Retrieved from this article:
http://www.yr.no/nyheter/1.7509752
UrbanLife February 22nd, 2011, 12:03 AM Thanks for the update, Ingenioren. Haven't been there yet, but hopefully I'll take a day or two at ski-vm.
Spearman February 24th, 2011, 02:31 AM I just looked at the first page of this thread and noticed the picture of the old ski jump. Whatever criticism one wants to make, it's infinitely better than the old one.
IceCheese March 3rd, 2011, 07:01 PM Yeez, am I the only one who can't look away from Holmenkollen during the broadcasting today? I love to see this building, and in Full HD, and fantastic lights! What a masterpiece!:cheers:
marshol March 3rd, 2011, 07:04 PM Yes. This moment is what it was buildt for!
starkwell March 6th, 2011, 06:49 PM The most satisfying thing is that the offcentredness doesn't show on tv, it actually looks perfectly balanced.
worst thing? close up just after take off is not pretty, nor or the high walls at the top off the out run...
but, yes, magical poking through the clouds...
caicoo March 7th, 2011, 02:35 PM looks kinda cold (concrete+steel) but perfect complex ;)
mjoks007 April 4th, 2011, 01:05 PM - Skal skinne som et smykke (http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostlandssendingen/1.7577034)
Den nye Holmenkollbakken skal lyse i mørket, men mer diskret enn rennbelysningen som har stått på i vinter.
http://gfx.nrk.no/eTf-lgOZ8ysiNZe_oW_jdgjAcjQe6VhL0l6_EaBDKfYw.png
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Galro May 6th, 2011, 09:33 PM Holmenkollbakken vant Norsk Stålkonstruksjonspris 2011 (http://www.bygg.no/2011/05/72482.0)
Ingenioren September 22nd, 2011, 09:46 PM Iskosset opened
Extension of the ski museum:
http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00091/Iskosset-TBP_jpg_AFP_91541d.jpg
http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/aktivitet_friluft/article603981.ece
Galro September 23rd, 2011, 03:27 PM Holmenkollen won the European steal award. :cheers:
Europeisk stålpris til Holmenkollbakken (http://www.bygg.no/2011/09/europeisk-staaldesignpris-til-holmenkollbakken)
Oslo2022 November 7th, 2011, 04:03 AM :cheers::cheers::cheers:
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/930/holmenkollbakken.jpg
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=85443192#post85443192
katia72 December 11th, 2011, 10:54 PM :cheers::cheers::cheers:
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/930/holmenkollbakken.jpg
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=85443192#post85443192
Holmenkollen is a great ski jump and I like its design but unfortunately lacks the atmosphere during the events. Have been to Zakopane last year and it was absolutely incredible atmosfare there. A "folkefest" as they say in Norway:)
marshol December 12th, 2011, 02:12 AM What? Holmenkollen lacks atmosphere and folkefest? :nuts:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Bakken2.jpg/400px-Bakken2.jpg
katia72 December 12th, 2011, 09:50 PM What? Holmenkollen lacks atmosphere and folkefest? :nuts:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Bakken2.jpg/400px-Bakken2.jpg
In Zakopane there are more party ... and you can buy mulled wine, beer, shots, grilled sausages and lots of other hot dishes. Its more fun :)
Anyway, someone has a great ski jump hill and others has a better party and fun... :)
http://gfx.mmka.pl/newsph/346832/568227.3.jpg
mjoks007 December 12th, 2011, 10:04 PM So with "lack the atmosphere", you mean drunk people?
Ingenioren December 13th, 2011, 02:20 PM We all know Poland is superior to Norway in everything, so no reason to remind us :)
Galro December 13th, 2011, 05:06 PM A) What a weird thing to bump the tread with.
B) I seen a lot of critic against Holmenkollen but I have never, ever seen anyone saying that it lacks atmosphere and "folkefest".
IceCheese January 19th, 2012, 12:27 AM New decorative lighting is being installed these days. Apparantly we will have more days where Holmenkollen switches color like in October when it turned pink for breast cancer.
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/Holmenkollbakken-i-nytt-lys-6744015.html#.TxdGiqWRPd4
A big disappointment though, it won't turn green for St. Patricks day:(
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