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New York Giants

8x Champion:
1927, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1986,
1990, 2007, 2011


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New York Jets

1x Champion:
1968




360 Architecture has released the conceptuals for the new stadium, I am not terribly impressed, especially for $1.7 billion. These are the only sites I have seen with pics up so far

http://www.footballstadiumdigest.com/
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/sports/football/05stadium.html?_r=2&ref=sports&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Will it still be the Red Bulls stadium?

Looks like cheap piece of crap for 1.7 billion dollars, it should be made of gold with hovering roof for that kind of money.

The facade is pretty nice, but not 1.7 billion nice
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/04/sports/05stadium.2.650.jpg

http://www.footballstadiumdigest.com/images/new_giants/new_giants_2.jpg

What's it got that Giants stadium hasn't? Apart from the all important sky boxes?

Will it still be the Red Bulls stadium?



No, they are getting their own 25,000 seat $130,000,000 stadium

http://www.redbullpark.com/

I know, but Red Bull Park will not be enough for major games with attendance over 25,000 - so I assume they will still use the giants stadium for those type of games.

wow...what a stadium! :applause:

Looks like cheap piece of crap for 1.7 billion dollars, it should be made of gold with hovering roof for that kind of money.

The facade is pretty nice, but not 1.7 billion nice
How of a cut does the mafia and politicians get to have such an enourmous price tags. That's like twice what it would cost to build elsewhere in Suburbia, USA

360 Architecture has released the conceptuals for the new stadium, I am not terribly impressed, especially for $1.7 billion. These are the only sites I have seen with pics up so far

http://www.footballstadiumdigest.com/
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/sports/football/05stadium.html?_r=2&ref=sports&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


can we merge this thread with the 4 other Giants/Jets stadium threads ???

No, they are getting their own 25,000 seat $130,000,000 stadium

http://www.redbullpark.com/

That's the place I am waiting for.

I know, but Red Bull Park will not be enough for major games with attendance over 25,000 - so I assume they will still use the giants stadium for those type of games.

correct. big international games (WCQ's, etc..) would be held at new giants stadium
all MLS games and smaller international games would be held at Red Bull Park.

I love it:yes:
Everything from the interior with those large tv screens, the beautiful facade, landscape and the railway link... it's awesome.
When i go back to Jersey in the next couple of years i'll make sure to swing around the East Rutherford area and take a closer look for myself.

Great stadium. The 1.7 billion seems fair to me since it looks so modern, especially with those giant screens.

I'm not saying it's bad, but it's just no way 1.7 billion good. Or the public toilets there better be made of pure gold.

correct. big international games (WCQ's, etc..) would be held at new giants stadium
all MLS games and smaller international games would be held at Red Bull Park.

Right, makes sense.

I can't believe people are complaining about this stadium. It looks awesome and can't wait to see its completion. :)

I can't believe people are complaining about this stadium. It looks awesome and can't wait to see its completion. :)

There is no need for a new one. The current one would have been fine with $400 million in rennovations.

So people actually think that it looks $1.7 billion good? There isn't anything particularly wrong with it (I don't find the core form particularly attractive, but thats a personal opinion). If you're paying that, you should expect the greatest design in the world, its okay, but personally would'nt go that far.

I agree with ya Ben. It looks good but it by no means looks great. For that money you would think they would be getting some superb innovative design or that it was located in Midtown or something.

It being NY it should be the country's premiere sporting facility and I have a hard time imagining that it will be. The outside does look a bit better to me then the inside from what I can tell. I would like to see a render from inside the stadium from the ones we are getting.

More pics via Seat24inNJ @ SSP via Giants.com


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u211/east5n/GREATHALL.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u211/east5n/BIRDSEYE.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u211/east5n/SECTION.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u211/east5n/SITEPLAN.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u211/east5n/BEAUTY.jpg

I would like to see renderings for the stadium they build in 30 years time when this one has become obsolete.

wow, that's one big....car park!

If you look at the birdseye parking lot pic you can see a football player. wicked.

Will it still be the Red Bulls stadium?

Looks like cheap piece of crap for 1.7 billion dollars, it should be made of gold with hovering roof for that kind of money.

The facade is pretty nice, but not 1.7 billion nice
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/04/sports/05stadium.2.650.jpg

http://www.footballstadiumdigest.com/images/new_giants/new_giants_2.jpg

I think thats quite impressive although Im not sure whether its really worth its price.
Will it get a roof?

No, it won't even have any kind of roof for it's money :crazy:

Well that sucks.
They should have put a retractable on.

the only positive thing about this is the rail link.....the current stadium is fine....what a waste of taxpayers money!

No, it won't even have any kind of roof for it's money :crazy:

The Jets and Giants said they don't want a roof on their new stadium in the Meadowlands no matter how much it costs.

What about the space behind those tv screens, is it going to be empty?

The Jets and Giants said they don't want a roof on their new stadium in the Meadowlands no matter how much it costs.

Why not?...

What about the space behind those tv screens, is it going to be empty?

It only looks like it will interfere with the view, but it won't.

I wish the design was more like this Kazakhstan stadium

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/1285_2_1000%20Taban%20Astana%207.jpg

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/1285_1_1000%20Taban%20Astana%201.jpg

There is talk of being able to retrofit a retractable roof on at a later time, but neither team wants a roof, the city/state doesn't want to pay for it and at an estimated $412 million for the roof alone who can blame them?

1,700,000,000???? That´s 5 (!) Nou Mestalla stadiums (Valencia)
I gues ground does not come cheep these days, because allthough I do like the design, it is not that spectacular.

Cowboys Stadium is still gonna be way better :]

There is talk of being able to retrofit a retractable roof on at a later time, but neither team wants a roof, the city/state doesn't want to pay for it and at an estimated $412 million for the roof alone who can blame them?

Sounds a bit overprized to be honest

WAY overpriced, The proposal the Minnesota Vikings are putting together has a rectractable roof + climate control for $215 million, and a total stadium cost of about $800 million ($1 billion total develpoement) for a 70,000 seater. So this just seems absurdly high for a roof, and $1.7 for the stadium is outlandish as well.

as I said, land prices and likely Union labor up north. In a state like Texas, you don't have those issues.

It sounds like a similar price tag for the New Wembley Stadium if you bring in the exchangs rate at the moment. but you get a lot less: -20,000 seats (with that new wembley leg room) and minus a roof. I would have thought land near NYC and in NYC to be similar price to that of London and its surrounding area so am not surprised it costs so much. but I would have thought they would have wanted a similar capacity or higher to the current 80,242.

Does anyone have pics of the old design? I seem to recall it being far more unique looking.

I don't like the new one much at all.

wow, that's one big....car park!

Exactly what I was thinking!

It seems like no matter how much money teams are spending they're trying to keep the feel of their current stadiums. As a Cowboy fan, seeing this on TV I could tell it's the GIants we're playing. Cowboys have done the same w/ thier stadium 1 billion dollars and you can still tell it's the Cowboys you're playing.

The new stadium looks ok. Nothing really exciting or out there about the design.

How much of this $1.7 billion is the actual stadium going to cost?

It seems like no matter how much money teams are spending they're trying to keep the feel of their current stadiums. As a Cowboy fan, seeing this on TV I could tell it's the GIants we're playing. Cowboys have done the same w/ thier stadium 1 billion dollars and you can still tell it's the Cowboys you're playing.

That's a great point. Some stadiums are just recognizable and this and the new Cowboys stadium seem to be looking at similar feels to their current stadium. It really does fit the Giants and Jets.

As for part of the cost explanation, roofs aren't everything. I bet the attention to luxury detail will be about as good as it gets. Similar to FedEx in that fashion where the suites and club areas are second to none. Capacity stopped being a concern in the NFL long ago when the new cap rules came in the mid 90s. Now its all about amenities. One could make more from 200 suites than one could from 20,000 extra seats. 100,000 seats would likely also mess with blackout rules in down years. That's why the Cowboys went for expandable to 100,000 and not static 100,000.

the only positive thing about this is the rail link.....the current stadium is fine....what a waste of taxpayers money!


glad we agree.

all they did was take the current Giants Stadium and modernize it. simple.

How much of this $1.7 billion is the actual stadium going to cost?

Probably the .7

Who's paying for this stadium already? What I hate about it the most is the location, the giant parking, and the industrial design... NYC deserved better.

Yawn...it essentially looks like the old Giants Stadium with a new facade. For $1.7 billion you'd except a retractable roof and some sort of groundbreaking, awesome design (along the lines of Allianz Arena perhaps).

Yawn...it essentially looks like the old Giants Stadium with a new facade.

exactly

Yawn...it essentially looks like the old Giants Stadium with a new facade. For $1.7 billion you'd except a retractable roof and some sort of groundbreaking, awesome design (along the lines of Allianz Arena perhaps).

I love Allianz, but a better example of groundbreaking should be used. The bowl is here is great than that of Allianz, and the facade of Allianz had been done before. Plus isn't this exterior of this stadium supposed to change colors as well depending on team? Isn't that the whole purpose of the "Great Wall"?

they better get a new stadium because Pack just trashed that place today.

for a New York team (two of them actually), I would expect much better. I would expect more from not only the Jets and Giants, but the Yankees and Mets. This is a world class city with underwhelming new stadiums on the drawing board.

I mean, cmon. Two teams in the same stadium? Thats something I would expect in the Bay Area, not in NYC. I know that parking would be a nightmare, but that New York Jets Manhattan stadium was awesome.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1825/westsidemt7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I love Allianz, but a better example of groundbreaking should be used. The bowl is here is great than that of Allianz, and the facade of Allianz had been done before. Plus isn't this exterior of this stadium supposed to change colors as well depending on team? Isn't that the whole purpose of the "Great Wall"?

Allianz's facade was done in Basel, but that's the only other similar design I know of. Anyway, the bowl + the exterior looks fairly boring. I'm talking about some sort of cutting edge design which would have set the venue apart.

I like the facade on Allianz. I hope they do something like that when my Bucks build a new arena.

New York Jets Manhattan stadium was awesome.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1825/westsidemt7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

how big are the chances for this to be built? this would be awesome. Manhattan really lacks real stadium

That plan was killed years ago.

Noooooooooooo

Wasn't that supposed to be NY's olympic stadium for 2012?

The olympic bid went to London anyway.

The olympic bid went to London anyway.

Because the NY bid was ruined by the failure of the stadium plan, NY was the front runner up until then.

NYC was stubborn trying to push a doomed stadium plan in Manhattan when a viable stadium plan in Queens was nixed. oh well.

amercians rely on cars way to much
that carpark is fucking ridiculous

I doubt that the just not building that stadium alone lost the chance for the olympics. There were definately other factors that made NYC loose its bid, and I doubt that the NIMBYs are solely responsible for it. Either way, most of those who opposed the West Side Stadium didn't hate b/c they didn't want it on the Hudson Yds, it was b/c they didn't want be the ones paying for it.

amercians rely on cars way to much
that carpark is fucking ridiculous

Then again, there's a tradition at American Football games call tailgating. Plus, you won't see any multi-story parking garages near gridiron stadiums.

any updates?

It is u/c right now across from the current stadium.

amercians rely on cars way to much
that carpark is fucking ridiculous

agreed. Now if only ours trains actually went anywhere outside the big cities.

Speaking as an Aussie, where our car situation is similar to the Sepo's. You gotta build roads and massive car parks because the place is just too damn big for railway lines.

Europeans can sit there and be smut, but half your countries are about the same size as the average American or Aussie suburb and you can walk across them. We have one state here which is the same size western Europe and only has 2 million people living in a tiny part of it.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/04/sports/05stadium.3.650.jpg
^^hmm, not bad. not at all. seats 82,500. but 1.7 BILLION??? damn!!

$1,700,000,000 sounds like a excessive price tag for a new Meadowlands Stadium. The stadium looks like it costs $700-900 million.

I agree with many posters. This stadium lacks vision and esthetic. American functionalism wins out again. :( It's a shame. They have a chance to build an icon, and instead they opt for bland and boring. They could take a cue from Jerry Jones, Europe, and Beijing.

So. We go from this:

http://www.nyc.gov/portal/beans/photogallery/images/2004/03/25/4477/8684/5b.jpg

To this:

http://gothamist.com/attachments/tien/2007_09_meadowlands1.jpg

Boring!!

what´s up with the first one?

what´s up with the first one?

That was the Brooklyn stadium that would have done double duty as the 2012 Olympic stadium IIRC.

^^ Manhattan.

Any construction pics?

The stadium is more than fine and will be huge and intimidating. All it lacks is a retractable for hosting some of the American big events. Otherwise it will be bigger and better than 99% of what exists or is being built.

^^hmm, not bad. not at all. seats 82,500. but 1.7 BILLION??? damn!!
It's like the fallacy around Wembley stadium. The figure normally give for it is £750m ($1.5b), but the stadium itself was £350m ($700m).

^^ Manhattan.

Oh, right. Of course.

Speaking as an Aussie, where our car situation is similar to the Sepo's. You gotta build roads and massive car parks because the place is just too damn big for railway lines.

Europeans can sit there and be smut, but half your countries are about the same size as the average American or Aussie suburb and you can walk across them. We have one state here which is the same size western Europe and only has 2 million people living in a tiny part of it.

good point. America, Canada, and Australia just are never going to be Europe. Too big, too spread out.

yes but you dont build the stadium in the middle of nowhere do you? You build in it the city or close by where it can be accessed by public transport surely?

yes but you dont build the stadium in the middle of nowhere do you? You build in it the city or close by where it can be accessed by public transport surely?

When most people have cars and land is cheaper outside the city, the choice becomes easy.

And so would the choice to boycott polluting dirty, hateful, unenvironmental American Goods.

You are not god's chosen people, start taking some responsibility for the planet.

And so would the choice to boycott polluting dirty, hateful, unenvironmental American Goods.

You are not god's chosen people, start taking some responsibility for the planet.

pot calling kettle black. (or is it the other way round'?)

We are showing responsibility now by distancing ourselves from yourselves.

Speaking as an Aussie, where our car situation is similar to the Sepo's. You gotta build roads and massive car parks because the place is just too damn big for railway lines.

Europeans can sit there and be smut, but half your countries are about the same size as the average American or Aussie suburb and you can walk across them. We have one state here which is the same size western Europe and only has 2 million people living in a tiny part of it.

The size of your country has nothing to do with building stadiums. Sure, the US is big but the Tri-State-Area NY/NJ/CT has more in common with Europe than with Montana. It's easily possible to use public transportation to bring people to these stadiums. Here in Germany for example you don't have to pay for train/tram tickets if you've got tickets to a game in the area.

There are trains that go to this area. Moot complaints. You will always have car parks in the US though. Too much car going population not to. Too little density not to. Even in Manhattan you'd likely need a massive garage under it.

The size of your country has nothing to do with building stadiums. Sure, the US is big but the Tri-State-Area NY/NJ/CT has more in common with Europe than with Montana. It's easily possible to use public transportation to bring people to these stadiums. Here in Germany for example you don't have to pay for train/tram tickets if you've got tickets to a game in the area.

There is public transport to these stadiums, if you bothered to check instead of being ignorant, you would know this. I think I and others have already mentioned this.

i think its also mentioned in the video

The public transit to the Meadowlands right now is a friggin joke. Sporadic bus service at best. The rail line is 30 years late.

This shot is about a few weeks old, but it's to state a point, plus you can see the Xanadu makeover in this shot.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2052/2067230222_a49d9d1db2_o.jpg

Thanks for that picture. You can clearly make out the outline of the new stadium.

The NY metro area is seeing a boom of new stadiums. The Prudential Center in Newrak, Yankee Stadium and Citifield in NYC proper, the new Giants/jets Stadium in East Rutherford, and the new soccer stadium development in harrison. Fun times.:cheers:

Spectacular location lol, doesn't do a great city like New York justice.

bump

Updates anyone?

The Izod Center looks like an old high school, I hope they tear it down when they get all the new stuff built.

Thanks for that picture. You can clearly make out the outline of the new stadium.

The NY metro area is seeing a boom of new stadiums. The Prudential Center in Newrak, Yankee Stadium and Citifield in NYC proper, the new Giants/jets Stadium in East Rutherford, and the new soccer stadium development in harrison. Fun times.:cheers:

only new building that was really needed is the new MLS stadium in Harrison.

only new building that was really needed is the new MLS stadium in Harrison.

And the Prudential Center.

maybe.

So small?? :D

Outside looks like a huge shopping center or car park.
Interior looks cool though.

bump :)

It looks like the new stadium is being constructed at an angle different to the existing one.


Why is that . . . sun issues etc???

space logistics?

is there any chance of a roof being put on it at a later date?

There is public transport to these stadiums, if you bothered to check instead of being ignorant, you would know this. I think I and others have already mentioned this.

At the moment, there are no trains that go into the Meadowlands. They are extending the Pascack Valley Rail into the area (should be done soon) and the Bergen Light Rail. Even though three teams are moving out of the Meadowlands, traffic will increase with a bigger stadium and Xanadu, one of the biggest malls in America and the first indoor ski dome in North America.

is there any chance of a roof being put on it at a later date?

Yeah but the price tag for a retractable roof to be retrofitted later on has been estimated at $415 million, which is about twice what the vikings latest proposal put the cost of a retractable roof at. Kind of makes you wonder what cut politicians and mafia are getting out the billions that this project is gonna cost.

is there any chance of a roof being put on it at a later date?

neither teams wants a roof, so not likely.

neither teams wants a roof, so not likely.
I don't see why they don't want a roof, they would be able to host the super bowl, final four, and more. It would add a lot of events that could be at the stadium.

I don't see why they don't want a roof, they would be able to host the super bowl, final four, and more. It would add a lot of events that could be at the stadium.

It would tarnish the integrity of the game....not like there is much of a game to watch when the Jets take the field and the Giants are only sometimes entertaining. Hope they beat the Packers.

Super Bowl? New Jersey is better than that.
haha

Do you need a roof to host the superbowl? Miami didnt or does it just depend on climate? Whats the criteria to host the superbowl?

Do you need a roof to host the superbowl? Miami didnt or does it just depend on climate? Whats the criteria to host the superbowl?


Average high temperature of at least 70 degrees... with the exception of Domed Stadiums

Several high-occupancy, high-end hotel for NFL Staff, participating teams and media

Enough quality hotel rooms within a one-hour drive that can accommodate at least 35% of the stadium's capacity (NFL's quality hotel criteria not known) presumably to accommodate non-NFL affiliated staff

Convention or entertainment space comprising of at least 600,000 sq. ft. (either indoor or outdoor) for fan events including the most-widely attended event during Super Bowl Week- the NFL Experience

Stadium seating capacity of at least 70,000

Separate practice facilities for each team

Proper ground space for a minimum of 10 photo trailers and 40 television trucks.

50,000 sq. ft. for Radio Row—the designated media area where various media types can work and broadcast

The Cities have to Pay for everything making it so the NFL doesn't lose a Dime if the Super Bowl doesn't pull in enough revenue.

Do you need a roof to host the superbowl? Miami didnt or does it just depend on climate? Whats the criteria to host the superbowl?

A warm climate, or a dome.

Sorry if this is off-topic but isn't there supposed to be a small baseball stadium (8,000 seat) for a team called the "Bergen Cliff Hawks" and a small rectangular stadium for a Lacrosse team called Bergen River Dogs on this complex, did that fall through? Can Bergen even support teams?

Bergen?

Bergen is the county the complex is located in.

In our contry we didnt have so big venues as in germany etc. its boring

In our contry we didnt have so big venues as in germany etc. its boring

???

I don't see why they don't want a roof, they would be able to host the super bowl, final four, and more. It would add a lot of events that could be at the stadium.

because those events are over-rated, not annually, and will never pay for the cost of putting a retractable roof onto the stadium. People keep using the same excuses of why a roof is needed....

because those events are over-rated, not annually, and will never pay for the cost of putting a retractable roof onto the stadium. People keep using the same excuses of why a roof is needed....

did you really just call the Super Bowl over rated? The Super Bowl brings an economic impact to the whole area, just not the stadium.

did you really just call the Super Bowl over rated? The Super Bowl brings an economic impact to the whole area, just not the stadium.

Most of the time, but then you have cases like Jacksonville who saw some economic impact but got completely trashed by the shockingly graceless media after they bent over backwards to make them happy. If they treated Jacksonville that way, what would they do to New Jersey?

Most of the time, but then you have cases like Jacksonville who saw some economic impact but got completely trashed by the shockingly graceless media after they bent over backwards to make them happy. If they treated Jacksonville that way, what would they do to New Jersey?

Um, Jacksonville was completely inadequate for the SB. The hotel shortages is what really got them, people had to stay on cruise boats.

There are many requirements that a superbowl city (bid) must meet. And Jacksonville didn't meet some of those.

Um, Jacksonville was completely inadequate for the SB. The hotel shortages is what really got them, people had to stay on cruise boats.

There are many requirements that a superbowl city (bid) must meet. And Jacksonville didn't meet some of those.

Northern New Jersey could handle the super bowl because it is so close to New York. The problem with New Jersey is that it is considered a cold weather environment and would need to have a dome and climate control system inside. I am sure the new stadium meets many requirements like size, third largest in NFL when built.

Someone Tell me what major city is across the river from the Meadowlands...New York? Really! Sounds like a great place for a Super Bowl.

Northern New Jersey could handle the super bowl because it is so close to New York. The problem with New Jersey is that it is considered a cold weather environment and would need to have a dome and climate control system inside. I am sure the new stadium meets many requirements like size, third largest in NFL when built.

Yep.

Do the Giants or Jets have a site with a webcam on it for the new stadium? I already checked there home sites and no luck.

It'll be interesting to see if they can find that union kingpin guy when they knock over Giants stadium.

Apparently he is buried in the concrete under the lower terracing somewhere.

hmm, that would be interesting to see.

did you really just call the Super Bowl over rated? The Super Bowl brings an economic impact to the whole area, just not the stadium.

The economic impact of a superbowl would be far less in NYC than anywhere else. But as I stated, the Giants and Jets have no interest in paying for a roof if it means hosting 1 superbowl every 10 years. The economics of it just do not work out. And the Giants pride themselves on being a northeast team. The roof takes that away.

I think with an enclosed stadium being across the river from there headquarters, i think you would see the Super Bowl there more than 1 ever 10 years. O well, your loss.

It really is a nice looking stadium.

I remember watching a video on this stadium a while back where they said it would be the first stadium with 4 video boards. There wrong but anyone else remember hearing that?

Does anybody have any UPDATED photos of construction on this stadium? I've looked all over for them and I've found none. All I can find are photos from December. I don't live near there so if someone could go and take some photos that'd be great.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiropendragon/2382867373/

There is an image upped 2 April

did you really just call the Super Bowl over rated? The Super Bowl brings an economic impact to the whole area, just not the stadium.

Why would you want to build a retractable roof for one SB every 10-15 years though? Besides, I don't think NYC-Northern NJ really needs the economic impact of the SB.

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2155/2341124764_813883dca7_b.jpg

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/meadowlands0408901.jpg

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thanks. it'd be great to keep updating the thread with new photos. for a lifetime giants fan and season ticket holder, it's nice to see the progress. also, what is the current status of the NY Red Bulls stadium?

also, does anybody have any photos of the new giants training facility? It is being built in a corner of the current parking lot.

the construction process looks kinda half ass

the construction process looks kinda half ass

they can build quicker with steel and don't have to waste cranes on concrete pours.

and they arnt digging a bowl?

This is the complete opposite from the construction of the new cowboys stadium, but they didn't use allot of steel work because all the worlds metal was going to The Birds nest in Beijing at the time.

So are the renders at the beginning the final design?

and they arnt digging a bowl?

This is the complete opposite from the construction of the new cowboys stadium, but they didn't use allot of steel work because all the worlds metal was going to The Birds nest in Beijing at the time.

So are the renders at the beginning the final design?

Not every stadium requires digging a bowl if the playing field is at street level. CitiField did not require a bowl.

Why would you want to build a retractable roof for one SB every 10-15 years though? Besides, I don't think NYC-Northern NJ really needs the economic impact of the SB.

agreed.

also, what is the current status of the NY Red Bulls stadium?

I read they were planting piles into the ground. Haven't seen pictures though. Can't wait for the Metrostars / Red Bulls stadium in Harrison.

Why would you want to build a retractable roof for one SB every 10-15 years though? Besides, I don't think NYC-Northern NJ really needs the economic impact of the SB.

Really? New York does not want an event like the Super Bowl? The NFL does not want the Super Bowl with in driving distance of there headquarters?

That is extremely closed minded.

NYC is bigger than the SB. I am not saying NYC doesn't want a SB. I'm saying that NYC doesn't need a SB to help put it on the map. That's all. Of course the NFL would like a SB in NYC, but the Giants and Jets dont want to pay for a roof and that's a good decision, IMO.

your funny. nothing is bigger then the Super Bowl

your funny. nothing is bigger then the Super Bowl

So you're saying the World Cup Final is not bigger than the SB ?

So you're saying the World Cup Final is not bigger than the SB ?

It is, but not in the U.S.

NYC is bigger than the SB. I am not saying NYC doesn't want a SB. I'm saying that NYC doesn't need a SB to help put it on the map. That's all. Of course the NFL would like a SB in NYC, but the Giants and Jets dont want to pay for a roof and that's a good decision, IMO.

Not to mention (as previously stated), NYC/North Jersey are MISERABLE during early February, especially if an arctic front blows through.

There's a reason why Super Bowls skew heavily toward Southern and West Coast cities (Detroit notwithstanding, but then again, not a whole lot of people want to repeat that)

SB should go to the winning team's home city.

good idea, crazy thought. Image the 3 super bowls that would have been in New England

good idea, crazy thought. Image the 3 super bowls that would have been in New England

Why would anyone want to see the SB played in sub-zero weather in the middle of nowhere?

I know this is off topic, but...

I think it is ridiculous that the NFL plays all the SB in warm locations or under domes considering the rest of the playoffs are played sometimes in not ithe most optimal conditions. I know they want the event to go well but really I think they are acting like a possesive mother who wants their child in a protective bubble all the time.

And DallasBrink, the Super Bowl coming to New York wouldn't be a big thing. A) It would happen in New Jersey, so it isn't even in the city, yea that's really esciting! B) to get to East Rutherford on a regular game day is a nightmare, forget the Super Bowl, C) this is just as big if not bigger basketball and baseball town.

I know this is off topic, but...

I think it is ridiculous that the NFL plays all the SB in warm locations or under domes considering the rest of the playoffs are played sometimes in not ithe most optimal conditions. I know they want the event to go well but really I think they are acting like a possesive mother who wants their child in a protective bubble all the time.

And DallasBrink, the Super Bowl coming to New York wouldn't be a big thing. A) It would happen in New Jersey, so it isn't even in the city, yea that's really esciting! B) to get to East Rutherford on a regular game day is a nightmare, forget the Super Bowl, C) this is just as big if not bigger basketball and baseball town.

championship games should always be played in optimal conditions if possible. The playoffs, not so much because they are supposed to be a reward for a team's regular season, therefore giving a team an advantage over their conference foes.

Also, it doesn't matter exactly where the Super Bowl is played. Many NFL stadiums are in suburbs or outskirts of main cities. But the action during the two weeks of big celebrity parties are always downtown. You don't think this would simply be bigger in NY? NYC is NOT bigger than the Super Bowl. No place is. Also, with no roof, no Final Four. So if NY is such a big basketball city, they put themselves out of the running for the biggest basketball event in the US.

They put themselves out of the running for the final four? Well Izod Center and Nassau Coliseum still host regionals, so it is not big loss. the NIT tourney is held at MSG.

Also how do you know the Super Bowl is bigger than NYC. There are already celebrity parties in the city all the time, the impact in a city that sees 40 million visiters, all mostly to that small island of Manhattan is very small at best. Secondly, although the Meadowlands is only 4 miles from NYC, it feels more like 40. The turnpike is bad enough on a regular day forget a gameday; in a city where public transportation is vital, the Meadowlands is served by a bus that takes a half hour to get there, if you were to drive from the city you would have to pay a toll. There are no highways in Manhattan, save a 1 mile stretch in Northern Manhattan, so even to get to New Jersey is a pain.

Finally if the NFL were hosted "here" the NFL Experience would probably be held at Jacob Javits Center, possibly the most fornlorn and desolate location in Manhattan. With absolutely nothing around it except railyards and the lack of public transportation to the area (well not until 2013) they might as well host it in a convention center in New Jersey.

I know this is off topic, but...

I think it is ridiculous that the NFL plays all the SB in warm locations or under domes considering the rest of the playoffs are played sometimes in not ithe most optimal conditions. I know they want the event to go well but really I think they are acting like a possesive mother who wants their child in a protective bubble all the time.

And DallasBrink, the Super Bowl coming to New York wouldn't be a big thing. A) It would happen in New Jersey, so it isn't even in the city, yea that's really esciting! B) to get to East Rutherford on a regular game day is a nightmare, forget the Super Bowl, C) this is just as big if not bigger basketball and baseball town.

Because its about making the fans comfortable and like Rontanamo said, The Plays rewards the record, super bowl is about making things as even as possible to make the game as competitive as possible.

A) Your football teams are in New Jersey already and the good basketball team is in Jersey.
B) Its a nightmare to get to any stadium in the world on a game day, your no different, try getting to Texas Stadium.
C) Such a huge Basketball town with this Amazing Knicks and there League best record and favored to win the Championship. Isaih Thomas is a Genius And those Yankees and Mets are so dominant, look they won ever championship since 2000!!!!

Your fooling your self if you think any sport in the USA is bigger then football.

ramvid01, just because all those rich people are brainwashed to live in New York does not give you bragging rights to parties you cant even hear about. The Super Bowl, everyone wants to go to the Super Bowl, but i dont want to go to one of Jay-Z's parties and get busted by the Police.

There are celebrity parties all over the country, and im willing to bet more in LA then in New York.

other then all that, i think its a great stadium

Shock Shock, I don't want to go to the Super Bowl. So no not everyone wants to go to the Super Bowl (even though I am a Jets fan). Oh yea by the way, maybe you should learn how to read. I never said any sport in the USA is bigger then football, I said the SUPERBOWL IS NOT BIGGER THAN NEW YORK.

Oh and when did I talk about the Knicks, Yankees or Mets. I said it was a bigger baseball/basketball town. Nice way to segway into your biases.

You seem to think that you know all about New York. You don't even live here dude. You live in Texas, and the south, where football is worshipped, however that is not the case here. Sorry to rain on your damn parade. Thats like me going to Dallas and proclaiming I know all about the tastes of Dallas. Get a clue.

And finally Texas Stadium does not lie 3 miles from the most populous city in the United States. Besides, you have larger highways...

P.S. Brainwashed to live here? I can give 100s of reason to live here. Stop frontin' punk and just say it, you don't like New York.

Shock Shock, I don't want to go to the Super Bowl. So no not everyone wants to go to the Super Bowl (even though I am a Jets fan). Oh yea by the way, maybe you should learn how to read. I never said any sport in the USA is bigger then football, I said the SUPERBOWL IS NOT BIGGER THAN NEW YORK.

Oh and when did I talk about the Knicks, Yankees or Mets. I said it was a bigger baseball/basketball town. Nice way to segway into your biases.

You seem to think that you know all about New York. You don't even live here dude. You live in Texas, and the south, where football is worshipped, however that is not the case here. Sorry to rain on your damn parade. Thats like me going to Dallas and proclaiming I know all about the tastes of Dallas. Get a clue.

And finally Texas Stadium does not lie 3 miles from the most populous city in the United States. Besides, you have larger highways...

P.S. Brainwashed to live here? I can give 100s of reason to live here. Stop frontin' punk and just say it, you don't like New York.

To quote Brian from Family Guy... "Its just easier to call you stupid" and ignore your post.

doesn't matter if I live in NY. You're not bigger than the Super Bowl or the Final Four.

^^ I wasn't talking about you. I am not going to argue with either of you two anymore. It is clear that you two are the experts of what New York is and that the Super Bowl and Final Four are definitely bigger than New York.

Since we are such a cattle town nothing ever happens here. This is such a boring city, the Super Bowl is just this huge event that we cannot even handle. Oh my god, we will just get overcrowded by the on rush of so many visiters into our tiny populated city.

Gosh what would happen if we didn't host the Super Bowl, no one would know about us! Oh wait, we never have...

doesn't matter if I live in NY. You're not bigger than the Super Bowl or the Final Four.

you live in New York?

Some recent updates on the new stadium.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3002/2394782152_a53cf84594_b.jpg
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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2253/2362377662_fd12126a36_o.jpg

^^Wow, the seating bowl is really taking shape.

What's wrong with the existing stadium? Looks pretty good from that aerial photo.

Try telling that to the owners of the NY Jets and Giants.

Does anybody have any news/updates on the new traffic configuration that is planned for the stadium. I noticed last season they already have begun the construction on the new roadways. Photos of this construction would be often if anybody could take the time to take some photos of it. Also, if anybody could take a few snaps of the new Giants training facilities and the progress they're making with that, it'd be awesome as well. I hear right now there are 16 entrances/exits to the complex, and with the new plans, there will be over 40 when everything is finished and the stadium is opened. That's awesome.

What's wrong with the existing stadium? Looks pretty good from that aerial photo.

Nothing wrong really.

Well they are building a new stadium for the same reason every other team is building a new stadium

Wider concors's
Better vending areas
cleaner stadium
new technologies
better sight lines
and better and more bathrooms!

AND THE NEED TO SELL MORE CLUB, VIP,PREMIUM, EXCECUTIVE OR WHATEVER YOU MAY CALL IT SEATS...

A BIGGER CLUB STORE, A COUPLE OF MORE RESTAURANTS,

MORE WAYS TO MAKE MORE MONEY

I say that the Giants should keep the current stadium since it was made for them originally, while the Jets can have the new one, so they won't have to complain anymore about moving stuff around in the locker rooms.

skyboxes,
skyboxes,
skyboxes.

a renovation would have made way too much sense, and been borderline affordable, totally out of the question.:bash:

Face it, after Texas Stadium is demolished, this would be the second oldest behind Lambough, which is a legend. A new stadium is needed.

What about monster park, oakland coliseum (granted both suck ass)? It is the second oldest respectable NFL stadium. Its the same size as new one the club seat numbers are about the same, they could probably find room for another 100 suites, pull off the current Facade and widen the concourses and throw a shiny glass Facade on for a third of the cost. but if they want to spend a billion and a half to get the same end result who am I to argue

ok, im curious, why are so many people against these new beautiful stadiums?

- public financing deals
- suites closer, normal seats further away
- rising ticket costs

What's wrong with the existing stadium? Looks pretty good from that aerial photo.

The current stadium is in fantastic shape.
The new stadium will have more seats obviously and a more modern infrastructure. There really wasn't the need for it but what the heck.

I say that the Giants should keep the current stadium since it was made for them originally, while the Jets can have the new one, so they won't have to complain anymore about moving stuff around in the locker rooms.

Where did you hear that they share locker rooms? They have never shared a locker room, are not sharing them now, and will never share them. In fact, a few years ago the Giants renovated a portion of their locker room and training room area. They've never shared and have never complained about sharing locker rooms. Now does anybody have any info. on the traffic construction or Giants training facility that is being built in the corner of the parking lot? Thanks.

To anybody who is complaining about this new stadium being built, please recall a few things. A) This is NOT a publicly financed stadium and the entire cost will be the burden of the Mara/Tisch families and Woody Johnson. Therefore, this is not coming out of the taxpayers wallets. The only part of this project that is publicly financed is the reconfiguration of roads and traffic in order to ease traffic on game days. This, however, would not be necessary if Xanadu was not being built in the Meadowlands or Xanadu would agree to close on game day Sundays. B) The bottom line is these owners have sunk millions and millions of dollars into both of their respective teams. They are the owners. They are the boss. When presented with an idea (the new stadium) that would make them more money, and greatly increase the value of their investment (their team), they are allowed to do so. Currently, they each have terrible deals with the NJSEA (New Jersey Sports and Entertainment Authority)(I believe), in which they make little money off concessions and must pay the state considerable amounts of rent. When they own a stadium (as they each will own half of it once it is completed), they make more money off concessions, advertising, suites, team shops, hall of fames, restaurants and everything most of you seem to hate. They HAVE a RIGHT to do so. Just as everybody has a right to make more money off any investment they make. Not to mention they have much more control of what goes on in their stadium. The reason that the Giants and Jets are not ranked among the top 5 NFL franchises for total value is because their current stadium deals are holding them back. And to point one last thing out; I enjoy an "all-about-the-game" football experience when I go to games, however without some "corporate" revenue, these NFL teams could not put the same product (the team) that we love on to the field. In order to keep up with other teams and compete with them, they must create new ways to make revenue and be able to put a product on to the field that is valued by the fans.

ok, im curious, why are so many people against these new beautiful stadiums?

You had your say on this, and others have their's, so it's all a matter of opinion depending on who is looking at it.

well it looks like my say sides with the fact that is being built....im happy

You realize how much of a pain it is to have to sit so far between steps? Shea is -ok- when it comes to that, but the rest of the stadium is totally outdated and needs serious work that isn't worth doing vs new stadium. The vet in philly had huge capacity, but it was cold, dated the year after it was finished, and boring. LFF is much nicer, so is CBP.

- Andy

I don't understand why they demolishes Giants Stadium just for parking. Isn't it more money-effective to keep making it used for NY Red Bulls? It's just a little over 30 years old!

Moreover NFL is famous for having extremely small number of playing matches. One NFL team plays just total 16 games a season and this means the number of one team's home games is only 8!!!!!!!!! - In this case the new stadium will, of course, have two clubs using it so the number rises to 16 but that number is still very very small comparing with other outdoor sports such as baseball or association football.

In conclusion they demolishes a 80K stadium which is jut over 30 years old only for parking for 16 match days a year. Yes you can say that they earn money from parking in "349" non match days.

But judging from the picture of the whole complex that GS belongs to, it looks like very remote place so they are very less likely to make revenues in the parking lot which used to be Giants Stadium.

Anyway my conclusion is that it's totally waste of money to tear down the stadium!!!!!!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2052/2067230222_a49d9d1db2_o.jpg

a renovation would have made way too much sense, and been borderline affordable, totally out of the question.:bash:

Join the club on that one!

Face it, after Texas Stadium is demolished, this would be the second oldest behind Lambough, which is a legend. A new stadium is needed.

And what's wrong with age that a few rennovations couldn't have fixed?

To anybody who is complaining about this new stadium being built, please recall a few things. A) This is NOT a publicly financed stadium and the entire cost will be the burden of the Mara/Tisch families and Woody Johnson. Therefore, this is not coming out of the taxpayers wallets.

It's a privately financed stadium deal in name only. The new stadium will be costing the state a few hundred million dollars before everything is said and done. They always do.

I don't understand why they demolishes Giants Stadium just for parking. Isn't it more money-effective to keep making it used for NY Red Bulls? It's just a little over 30 years old!



NY Metrostars are building their OWN stadium in Harrison, NJ. We will have our own PATH stop 2 blocks from the stadium. I'm very happy aboot this.

NY Metrostars are building their OWN stadium in Harrison, NJ. We will have our own PATH stop 2 blocks from the stadium. I'm very happy aboot this.

What about the public transportaions around the new home ground of NY Red Bulls which is u/c? Are there any metrolines to stop there?

What about the public transportaions around the new home ground of NY Red Bulls which is u/c? Are there any metrolines to stop there?

Yes. PATH is a subway system that connects Manhattan with New Jersey. There will be a PATH stop 2 blocks away form the new stadium.

http://www.panynj.gov/COMMUTINGTRAVEL/path/sidebar_images/PATH_SYSTEM_WEB.gif

Harrison is where the new stadium will be.

Yes. PATH is a subway system that connects Manhattan with New Jersey. There will be a PATH stop 2 blocks away form the new stadium.

Harrison is where the new stadium will be.

How distant are 2 blocks in America in normal case? I can't get a good idea how it is distant ^^

NY Metrostars are building their OWN stadium in Harrison, NJ. We will have our own PATH stop 2 blocks from the stadium. I'm very happy aboot this.

As a fan of Red Bulls aren't you happier with your team keep playing at a 80K stadium than with at a 27K one just in case of big match which will draw more than the capacity of the new home ground?

Of course I know your team isn't popular that much in NY at the present time but looking out over the next tens of years you might expect Red Bulls will have the day when they are so popular as to need a 80K stadium if you're optimistic enough about the future :lol::lol::lol:

In fact as one of football fan, I do envy Giants Stadium which has no athletics tracks which are a serious obstacle to better sightlines and can hold as many as 80,000 people ㄷㄷㄷㄷㄷㄷㄷㄷ In other words you can call it American Camp Nou!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont think the Red Bulls want to keep up with paying for a stadium of that size, which is why most if not all the MLS teams are building smaller stadiums.

It's a privately financed stadium deal in name only. The new stadium will be costing the state a few hundred million dollars before everything is said and done. They always do.

Do you have any examples to back up your statement, "They always do."? I'm curious.

Unless he is talking about roads and transportation, then i have no idea what he is talking about

How distant are 2 blocks in America in normal case? I can't get a good idea how it is distant ^^

2 minute walk. Done and dusted.

Do you have any examples to back up your statement, "They always do."? I'm curious.

www.fieldofschemes.com

I dont think the Red Bulls want to keep up with paying for a stadium of that size, which is why most if not all the MLS teams are building smaller stadiums.

Bingo. And even Bob Kraft who OWNS the Patriots, the Revolution, and the stadium itself (thus no extortion rent to be paid by MLS team) realizes that MLS needs 20, 000 seat stadiums.

Still, on that website it says nothing about any of those teams ever saying they would privately finance their own stadiums with no burden to the public. Those teams never went against anything they promised as far as I have seen.

Hopefully, the new stop by NJ Transit will ease out the traffic that Meadowlands is know to get before and after games around 2015.

2015 ehh? great.

2015? That raillink is to be up and running byt the end of this year/ very beginning of next.

I havent read the rest of this thread but - Look at the size of that car park! Its huge!

2015? That raillink is to be up and running byt the end of this year/ very beginning of next.

That was the projection from an article I read on the NY Times last year on it being completed when running the line from Penn Station.

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2008/05/NewMeadowlandsStadium.jpg

Personally I wonder which of Wembley and New Meadowlands will have the record for construction cost. Wembley is said to have cost 750 million pounds and NM is expected to cost 1.5 billion dollars at the moment. Which do you think will have the title of The Most Expensive Stadium Ever Built? :)

Looks wise it's not exactly an upgrade from the current, but I'm sure on all other levels it will be.

However, I fail to see how costs can amount to 1.5 Billion USD. For that kind of cash you would expect something monumental.

Looks wise it's not exactly an upgrade from the current, but I'm sure on all other levels it will be.

However, I fail to see how costs can amount to 1.5 Billion USD. For that kind of cash you would expect something monumental.

The land is very expensive, plus the stadium will have lots of amenities

si the landcosts are included at this project?

as a Giants fan.
We want a roof to host superbowl :)

As a Giants fan, we don't want a roof, we don't want to lose our home field advantage of the wind in the Meadowlands. Amercan football should be played outdoors.

Sorry, i am just an amateur fan :)

Wind?
Can you explaint it to me?

Sorry, i am just an amateur fan :)

Wind?
Can you explaint it to me?

Some stadiums are notorious for having terrible swirling winds. Buffalo, Chicago and San Francisco are some other cities known for terrible winds because of the stadium's design or its location. Wind can have a very big impact in a game because it can blow passes off course and make kicking field goals very tricky. Also, it has an effect on the opposing team's players because it makes it really cold and they arent used to it. Its a big time home field advantage factor.

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2008/05/NewMeadowlandsStadium.jpg

What a waste of a $1.5 billion.

Football(American) is a very peculiar game when it comes to environment vs pretty much any other sport. I think its hard to quantify for those that don't follow the sport. The environment can dictate a team's style. If a team plays in a notoriously windy area, they are well served to run a lot, and they'd be wise to have a stadium that lets the wind in. If a team plays in an extremely cold environment, they'd be well served to run the ball a lot. Many domed stadium teams are pass happy as are many in the hotter areas of the country. I think teams in snowy areas would be crazy to play in a domed or roofed stadium. Its a huge advantage when your team is used to extreme cold and the opponent isn't.

Some stadiums are notorious for having terrible swirling winds. Buffalo, Chicago and San Francisco are some other cities known for terrible winds because of the stadium's design or its location. Wind can have a very big impact in a game because it can blow passes off course and make kicking field goals very tricky. Also, it has an effect on the opposing team's players because it makes it really cold and they arent used to it. Its a big time home field advantage factor.

But this stadiums will have stands at the endzones

But this stadiums will have stands at the endzones

That can only make it worse in some situations. A completely enclosed stadium sometimes creates a swirling wind effect rather than wind coming from one direction. It can be hell to play in.

Thanks a lot.
Thought only stadiums with a a small endzone stand (like Atatürk Olimpiyat) have those problems

Sit in Giants Stadium in late november for a game, it will take all of 5 minutes to feel the effects of the wind. The weather also doesn't generally effect attendance.

Thanks a lot.
Thought only stadiums with a a small endzone stand (like Atatürk Olimpiyat) have those problems

Big enclosed stadiums without a roof are probably worse for wind than roofed ones

Thanks a lot.
Learned something :cheers:

That's why Cleveland has that big gap on one side. It steers the wind.

TBH, I was a bit diasppointed at the lack of construction pics in this thread so I had a look and found it here:

http://www.giants.com/fan_zone/ConstructionCam.asp

It's one of these flash-based ones, like with the Luke in Indiana, which gives you all sorts of extra functions but precludes straight [img]-linking - unless you can be arsed screen-dumping and uploading.

Anyway, NY-ers need to spend more time taking their own pics and posting them here! It's happening all the time in Austin and Dallas :-)

power of stell
damn fast :nuts:

TBH, I was a bit diasppointed at the lack of construction pics in this thread so I had a look and found it here:

http://www.giants.com/fan_zone/ConstructionCam.asp

It's one of these flash-based ones, like with the Luke in Indiana, which gives you all sorts of extra functions but precludes straight [img]-linking - unless you can be arsed screen-dumping and uploading.

Anyway, NY-ers need to spend more time taking their own pics and posting them here! It's happening all the time in Austin and Dallas :-)

Most Giants and Jets fans don't see the need for a new stadium, and thus are not excited about the prospects of paying for it.

http://www.giants.com/news/headlines/story.asp?story_id=27182

Yea you guys and the Dallas fans just got the shaft if you're interested season tickets, PSLs are just wrong.

But this stadiums will have stands at the endzones

Our stadium (Ralph Wilson Stadium) has stands in the end zones, but the thing is, the top of the lower bowl is level with the ground, and the upper levels run parallel with the prevailing winds, so there is nothing to stop them from coming into the stadium and then dropping down to field level. And when they do drop down they swirl like water in a toilet bowl. Is is a common sight to see the flags on top of the goal posts in either endzone to be pointing in opposite directions.

I love the webcam

ehhh

The only reason the Giants and Jets are building a new stadium is because the Cowboys are building there next stadium and the Giants didn't want to be the ones in the NFC East with the old stadium. The Same thing is happening in Washington DC because the Redskins want a better stadium then the Cowboys, Eagles and Giants.

The only reason the Giants and Jets are building a new stadium is because the Cowboys are building there next stadium and the Giants didn't want to be the ones in the NFC East with the old stadium. The Same thing is happening in Washington DC because the Redskins want a better stadium then the Cowboys, Eagles and Giants.

Not true in DC...There is interest in a new stadium there but not because of Dallas.

I think ownership around the league will be jealous of all the money Jerryworld will pull out of peoples pockets. Now I keep hearing that Fedex is soulless and wrong, but does a very good job of robbing you of all the money you come in with, so I do see a different rational. With the Giants/Jets a big part of it was to ensure they would be in the New York area for the next 100 years. But short of solid gold toilets I don't know how it can have $1.5 billion price tag, looks like maybe half that.

Watching so much Sopranos makes me wonder who's back pockets some of the construction money is ending up in.

I know this is not to do with this stadium but is kind of linked to it, but has anybody seen this film documentary titled: "A Stadium Story: The Battle for New York's Last Frontier" Its about the New York Jets and 2012 Olympic stadium proposed for New York City. I believe it came out in 2006. So if anyone has seen it please let me know what it was like, and if it came out onto DVD.

Thanks, Kobo.

Not true in DC...There is interest in a new stadium there but not because of Dallas.

Every team wants a new stadium because of the other teams. That's the way the game works. Very rarely do you see something built in professional American sports out of the sheer want for something different. Its all about profit and keeping up with what's around the corner. What's around the corner...........................................possibly no collective bargaining agreement. Teh Daniel knows he won't be able to dominate this with the NFC east's more profitable new venues if he doesn't build something bigger and more profitable, which right now is JerryWorld and the new Meadowlands.

Every team wants a new stadium because of the other teams. That's the way the game works. Very rarely do you see something built in professional American sports out of the sheer want for something different. Its all about profit and keeping up with what's around the corner. What's around the corner...........................................possibly no collective bargaining agreement. Teh Daniel knows he won't be able to dominate this with the NFC east's more profitable new venues if he doesn't build something bigger and more profitable, which right now is JerryWorld and the new Meadowlands.

thats not true, but being that you dont live here, i dont expect you to understand what it is we want

I lived in Reston and heard Teh Daniel's ramblings all the time. It is true. The salary cap is possibly going away for a while, and most certainly will for at least a couple of years. Time to get money.

It's a nuclear arms race of sports stadiums....

I lived in Reston and heard Teh Daniel's ramblings all the time. It is true. The salary cap is possibly going away for a while, and most certainly will for at least a couple of years. Time to get money.

just because you lived in Reston doesnt mean you know anything. If you knew anything, you would know that Snyder has NEVER mentioned building a new stadium, its only been speculation from outside sources.

thats not true, but being that you dont live here, i dont expect you to understand what it is we want

It is true, dont try and act like it isnt, The New Jersey teams didn't want a new stadium until the Cowboys built a new one. Everyone wants to out do each other now.

Tampa Bay has a Pirate Ship!
Atlanta has the largest cable-supported dome in the world.
Sea Hawks have the first field level suites in the NFL.
Cardinals have the first retractable field in the NFL.
Colts have the first sideline horizontal retractable roof in the NFL with retractable glass walls in both end zones.
Cowboys get the first suspended score board in the NFL.
Now The Jets and Giants are getting a new stadium with a HUGE screen in each corner of the field, 4 in total. (no other like it anywhere).
I dont know what the Redskins will do to out do this, but I can only dream, same for the Saints, Vikings, 49rs, Chargers and Bills (where ever they end up after they leave Buffalo)

It is true, dont try and act like it isnt, The New Jersey teams didn't want a new stadium until the Cowboys built a new one. Everyone wants to out do each other now.

Tampa Bay has a Pirate Ship!
Atlanta has the largest cable-supported dome in the world.
Sea Hawks have the first field level suites in the NFL.
Cardinals have the first retractable field in the NFL.
Colts have the first sideline horizontal retractable roof in the NFL with retractable glass walls in both end zones.
Cowboys get the first suspended score board in the NFL.
Now The Jets and Giants are getting a new stadium with a HUGE screen in each corner of the field, 4 in total. (no other like it anywhere).
I dont know what the Redskins will do to out do this, but I can only dream, same for the Saints, Vikings, 49rs, Chargers and Bills (where ever they end up after they leave Buffalo)

well it isnt true. Dan Snyder has put in TONS of money into FedEx field. He is perfectly content there. Its true its not an old stadium, and thats why even though everyone around here wants a stadium Snyder knows that he doesnt need a new one. The main reason that teams build a new stadium isnt the age of their old facility (in most cases) but because the old facility doesnt generate enough money. FedEx is a money vacuum, its got tone of suites and seats 90k. washington was tops in the league in revenue last year. A new stadium is financially out of the question, even though it would be SO nice.

your starting to sound like the Oklahoma State Coach in that press conference...


Its not trues.....ITS NOT TRUE. Pick on me, IM A MAN! You come ate me!
http://kotv.com/newsimages/640/a6990eb2-a118-4a81-9800-975e858f90d1.jpg

just because you lived in Reston doesnt mean you know anything. If you knew anything, you would know that Snyder has NEVER mentioned building a new stadium, its only been speculation from outside sources.

:ohno:

make up your mind, would my knowledge be based on where I lived( you said ignorance was location based) or is this just a bunch of Redskins(that racist name makes me cringe) houiee that is invading the Meadowlands Stadium thread?

your starting to sound like the Oklahoma State Coach in that press conference...


Its not trues.....ITS NOT TRUE. Pick on me, IM A MAN! You come ate me!
http://kotv.com/newsimages/640/a6990eb2-a118-4a81-9800-975e858f90d1.jpg

no, i sound like someone who knows what they are talking about arguing with someone who doesnt.

Im done

ok, this is what im saying. In 2 years, the Redskins will have the old stadium of the NFC East with nothing cool about it. So you tell me, I think the Skins will build a new stadium in 5 years.

ok, this is what im saying. In 2 years, the Redskins will have the old stadium of the NFC East with nothing cool about it. So you tell me, I think the Skins will build a new stadium in 5 years.

theres a 30 year lease on the stadium that generates more money than any other stadium in the league, there is no financial reason to build. Dan snyder doesnt care if he has the oldest stadium or if it looks cool just that it makes mad bank. with land issues and money from the city that just built a new baseball stadium, no. There will be no new stadium.

sure thing budy. How about some progress in the swamp?

I think this needs a good BUMP!

Im very surprised people haven't been keeping up with this

pics from stadiumsofnfl.com

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/images/meadowlands1208954.jpg

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/images/meadowlands1208953.jpg

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/images/meadowlands1208952.jpg

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/images/meadowlands1208951.jpg

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/images/meadowlands1208950.jpg

I had no clue it was progressed that far. Pretty impressive.

Unbelievable how fast they have put that up. Incredible and very nice looking!

Too bad there's no retractable roof. Then they could host College Bowl games, Super Bowl, Final 4, NBA All-star game...

wow, the last photo i saw of this one was a hole in the ground...awesome!