update, july 28, 2011
- the design of the office tower has been changed slightly
- the design of the residential building has been changed significantly, the tower has been increased in hight to approx. 70m

pic of latest design (posted by newfvgffm)
http://www.abload.de/img/3226_tt_datenblatt_dt_6jae.jpg


update, january 21, 2011:

its official now, the developer tishman speyer just held a conference: construction is about to start immediately after demolition (which began a few days ago).

some facts:

- height of the office tower has been increased again to 170 meters
(initially it was 115m tall, then it was increased to 135m, then increased again to 160m and a second tower was added - a 19 storey, 63m tall residential building)
- the office tower will have 40 floors and 60,000 sq m of office space
- the residential tower will remain as planned (50 apartments, 7,500 sq m)
- 350 parking spaces
- total usable space is 75,000 sq m
- architect is gruber + kleine-kraneburg
- demolition started a few days ago
- construction is due to start immediately after demolition.
- date of completion is december 2013

source: immobilienzeitung from today

first rendering:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/588/tttnj.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/tttnj.jpg/)

http://www.abload.de/img/taunusturm6zvu.jpg

by tishman speyer


news in english:
http://www.commerzreal.com/en/press/recent-press-releases/artikel/article/tishman-speyer-und-commerz-real-kuendigen-baubeginn-des-taunusturm-in-frankfurt-an.html?LS=1&cHash=ec9b2cc28854d5d138deaef67c4f91bf






update, may 25, 2009:
official project presentation of the project (new version)

some additional info:
- new name: taunusturm
- the office tower has 40 floors (39 office floors and a ground floor)
- height 160m (25m more than previous design, and 45m more than initial design)
- public restaurant on the top floor
- gastronomy and retail on the ground floor
- the residential tower has 19 floors
- height 60m
- 54 apartments
- gastronomy and retail on the ground floor

first rendering:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/22/67845065.jpg









update, feb 24, 2009:
project contains one 160m office tower and a 60m tall residential tower. official project presentation will be on march 16, 2009



update, oct 2, 2008:
the new height revealed: 158m



update, may 28, 2008:
design has changed, height increased to 150m



original text with previous design


...yet another surprising project for frankfurt ...

KAISERKARREE

LOCATION:Frankfurt, Banking Distrist, Neue Mainzer Strasse
FLOORS:38
HEIGHT:135m (443ft)
ARCHITECT:GKK
FACTS:


the site consists of several buildings with up to 10 storeys
the current occupiers leave the site in october, demolition to follow soon
the tower includes a 6-storey passage cutting through the building
public space on the 25th floor (bar and gallery) and on the 36th floor
office and residential use
the developer is tishman speyer, construction starts in 2008
natural stone facade
despite low height around 90,000 sq m (over 1 million sq ft) of usable space and a much needed filler in the main cluster



LOCATION:

see this photo of a www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de member:

---------> http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/pics/schmittchen/210kaiserka_site_01.jpg
---------> http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/pics/schmittchen/211kaiserka_site_wegfall.jpg

RENDERINGS (OLD DESIGN):

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9977/y1ht3.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2830/y2kw9.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1440/y6bb4.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5921/y4lf0.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5390/y5ir5.jpg



location of the tower in the main cluster:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7694/68492155ba7.jpg


apparently the design shown here may have been changed since the presentation - but until we won't get new info this is how the project may look like

Wow, that skyline is really booming! More and more!

Great, cant wait for this project.

Hhmmmm, great size, but dissapointing exterieur.
But anyway, a nice addiction to the extraordinary growing skyline of Frankfurt.

I don't like the facade, and the composition is not original at all!
BUT a great skyline isn't made only by masterpieces, a good contribution to the main cluster.

more pics:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1481/72916835rt6.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6093/86100999cr8.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7581/41133715ce9.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/3901/32186561mh1.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4513/69739858dl3.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/97/13590946zz5.jpg

this gapfiller will be a really nice addition, especially for views from the Taunusanlage (Frankfurt's "Central Park") towards the Bankenviertel!

Thanks for doing this nice job of starting this thread! (I was just about doing it myself after your hint) :)

The start for this project seems just to be imminent. Currently there are tenders for the demolition of the old buildings and the excavation pit. Maybe they wait until the Expo Real exhibition in October for the official announcement... Hopefully not! :D

love this project. maybe it is boxy but that's what i like on it :)

public space on the 25th floor (bar and gallery) and on the 36th floor <3
endlich mal mit homes dahingehn un einen kippen (in nem skyscrapa xD)

im lovin it xD

boring boxy design...frankfurt deserves better. i hope facade wont be like here on render...it's too dark.

Probably it's about to change in loads of details, because it's not in calmer waters fo real now. We'll see. Btw: I just like this design, it's bold and a great addition to the skyline - and I'm quite satisfied of looking at (imo) mostly much more exchangeable/boring glass-boxes, like that kinda ones u find shitloads of in every part of the entire universe.

I wanna offer u two more illustrations of the Kaiserkarree - the quality just sucks, but they're showing the buildup situation quite well. Here we go:

A wooden model with the highrise at the centre (http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4534/p31300182du.jpg)

A b/w render of the situation round the Taunusanlage (the park in front) (http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/pics/schmittchen/Kaiserkarree2.JPG)

I love it!
I like box- designs anyway.

cool building with different heights - I love black boxes , the Sears and Hancock for FFM.

Hope they dont change the design. Love it how it is.

erbsenzaehler, my impression is that this project has already entered the port. It's just that noone could notice as they forgot to blow the horn until now. I have no doubt that it will start this year.

I really like it, especially seen in its vicinity. A slight point of critic might be that the side to the park could be a little bit more structered. As it is now it appears a little bit to flat and massive, also compared to its sides. One more edge or set back would be fine, nothing significant. But let's wait for an official render before forming a view on it.

i hope that's not only the old design! this is such a excellent and fabulous building. im lovin' it! cant wait to see this tower alive!

pull it up! 10/10 <3

I don't like the facade, and the composition is not original at all!
BUT a great skyline isn't made only by masterpieces, a good contribution to the main cluster.
agreed, it's not a masterpiece but the skyline will increase it's density

Frankfurt needs lots of dense midrises. Right no is more a collection of 150-200m towers with low rise architecture in between.

If Kaiserkaree is completed, Frankfurt will have its first street intersection with skyscrapers at each corner. And more is to come.

A b/w render of the situation round the Taunusanlage (the park in front) (http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/pics/schmittchen/Kaiserkarree2.JPG)

This is reminiscient of Central Park. I think the Taunusanlage park could benefit greatly from the Kaiserkarree. Maybe some beergardens?

As far as the building's prospect for construction goes, current projects like Parktower and OpernTurm will pretty much be filled up once they are completed. Thus, the rate of return for the "KaiKa" can be expected to fulfill the investors' expectations.

If Kaiserkaree is completed, Frankfurt will have its first street intersection with skyscrapers at each corner. And more is to come.

and what about the metzler'sches bankhaus at the northeast corner? ;) but this will be the first intersection with skyscrapers on 3 of the 4 corners ;)

Blends in well with the existing buildings. :)

I am pretty sure, that Metzler will build his scryscraper in near future. :)

Yes, Metzler is required as well. But I am not too optimistic about that.

@CYstillFI
that woult be great:) but what makes you sure about that? any insider infos or a newspaper article?

Nothing of both... this time it is just intuition.

a bit to boxy for me ... and I dont like that grey colour

So what's going on? Any news on this highrise? I've heard there would be somethin to expect this month.

wait for expo real

Expo Real has passed now. Where are the news???

Simple and nice!

OOooOO another torre for Frankfurt...we want someone here in barcelona...

Also, the design is very bad and old...too much simply, maybe in the '70s...but not at 2010...

I agree that the design is nothing to get enthusiastic about, but every skyline also needs 'skyline filler' buildings and this is one of them. Right now, Frankfurt's skyline still has a lot of 'holes' from several directions. Buildings like that help to close them.

Expo Real has passed now. Where are the news???

if there is news I bet it will be postet here first.

aparently the building is being vacated now.

design looks quit ok IMO..but could be a bit higher (160m),but nevertheless a great building for this great skyline!

This tower is horrendous. It looks like something out of the 70's

This tower is horrendous. It looks like something out of the 70's

nonsense..only because it isn't kitschy it doesn't mean its bad,i think it will fit greatly into the Frankfurt skyline!

^^ it's well enough for Frankfurt/Main anyway

a good gap-filler maybe, nothing outstanding *yawns*
Why there aren't any more courageous designs for FFM?

Perfect skyline-filler, good for Frankfurt!

According to some insider informations (topf secret!), they're going to start with the demolition workings of the old highrise on the construction site of Kaiserkarree at November 26th. In Frankfurt this actually means: There already have to be a building contract with the investor, so it may be about to start rising in 2008!

We'll see :)

uhhhh!! amazing news!! can't wait to see that building risin'

Great news indeed. Can't wait to see it rising. This will provide long needed density for Frankfurt's skyline.

very nice cant wait to see the demolition :-D ill go there and make some pictures at the end of november.....:cheers::cheers:

Now it is official, construction start spring 2008. Developer as already assumed Tishman-Speyer and Commerz-Real. Here (http://www.commerzreal.com/index.php?id=270&no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=407&tx_ttnews[backPid]=263) the press release from today.

:banana::banana::banana::cheers:

na dann prost auf das neue hochhaus :cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers: :banana::banana:

great. it's not particularly tall, but so massive - it will change the banking district entirely and fill a very important gap (anyone care to make a simulation?)

I hope the redesign will bring some positive changes to the base though

Great news. Can't wait to see the new renderings.

great news:cheers::banana::cheers::banana:

this location is perfect

stunning!

jippiehjahje! great day for frankfurt :banana::cheers::banana:

want to have such news every week :)

want to have such news every week :)

yes, next one please Millennium Tower

its a possibilty after we heard that the tower is being marketed, but I think the next towers on the agenda will be the sparkassen tower, the tower for pricewaterhouse coopers and the matheus church tower

I like it........, it's not Just a "box", the setbacks and notches are IMO at the appropriate locations, and the mass works well with the surrounding buildings, plus it's to be clad in "natural stone" which will look alot better than the renderings can show...

The reason that i like it most is, as i said, it fits in very well with the surrounding towers,

Kaiserkarree will be a gem. Not only does it fill the skyline but it will offer much needed downtown living space, a panorama restaurant and no scarcity of shops in the base of the building. This is HUGE!

With Park Tower completed, FrankfurtHochVier and Opernturm on the way and UEC tower, Matthaustower, PWC tower (all three with high likelihood), ECB tower and Degussa tower in the making Frankfurt's future is looking strong to say the least.

and its about time. frankfurt had a few slow years, many projects were delayed.

I am just waiting for more announcement ..

The building that the Kaiserkarree will replace is Rheinische Hypothekenbank, a 10-story lowrise. It should be under demolition by now. I don't know when that building was first constructed.

No idea either, maybe in the sixties. Demolition has not yet started but the move out should be done. Demolition probably starts in January.

BMXican: I am just waiting for more announcement ..

That's exactly what I do. The lower candidates are more or less clear. Now I am waiting for something bigger than 130 to 185 meters. There is still enough demand for two or more of those left... :D

I say its either the neue mainzer tower or tower1 of the uec.

im glad the ugly 60s buildings on the kaiserkarree site are going to disappear soon.

IMO the most necessary project. Great news that it's coming up that soon now after years of standstill... Seems to me, that Frankfurt begins to boom?!

tishman speyer was obviously so positively surprised about the success of the opernturm that they decided to go with kaiserkarree too. 2 tishman speyer skyscrapers u/c at the same time in frankfurt - that's new.

I would lmao if they rented out kaiserkarree very quickly and decided to go with a third project - Im thinking of the neue mainzer skyscraper

yeah, in my opinion neue mainzer straße is more important than marieninsel. neue mainzer straße would be great. i would like to see more renders of it in the nms-thread (i don't know, if someone has already opened a thread, anyway... i would like to see more renders of it.).

b2t

yeah there is a thread here

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=410085

The last days there seem to come up some action around this place. A first excavator is onsite and some works in the ground around that site is ongoing. Hard to say if it is already for preps/demolition like cutting supplies. The German office of TS confirmed that they are working with high pressure on this project and that they want to start as soon as possible.

sounds like preparatory works. are the buildings on site vacant now?

As far as I can say? Yes! :)

i hope the construction will start soon :)

we need some pics of the current site before the buildings disappear

in this Pictures, shot of top of the highrise "Skyper" u can see the area very good which is to be demolished, also u can see the buildings as they are right now...

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6886/kkks0.jpg

great photo, thanks.

nobody will miss those buildings :ohno:

isn't there a skybridge between them and the old commerzbank tower? this surely must be demolished too?

I guess so, skybridges are getting rare in Frankfurt :(
One is already lost at the Parktower which was connected to a lowrise beside via such a skybridge...

whoo, very nice pic... the kk will be such a great addition... and later neue mainzer and metzler.., and then comes leben in die bude!! :cheers:

First machines and portable toilet have arrived. Seem like demolition of the existing building will start soon. Can't wait.

the sooner this dump dissapears the better it is

some news:

the design of the tower has been changed, now slimmer but taller (still 80,000 sq m)
the height has been increased to 150m

no renderings available yet

some news:

the design of the tower has been changed, now slimmer but taller (still 80,000 sq m)
the height has been increased to 150m

no renderings available yet

fantastic

would be fantastic, if there were no politicians in frankfurt... i bet they hate the new height and wont give it admission, so we will have to wait longer to see this new highrise grow... also, i liked the old design with the stone fascade and all those edges (now it will be another box..)

would be fantastic, if there were no politicians in frankfurt... i bet they hate the new height and wont give it admission, so we will have to wait longer to see this new highrise grow... also, i liked the old design with the stone fascade and all those edges (now it will be another box..)

they already said to projects in general that 150meters height are okay.

afaik kaiserkarree was only approved with 115m height, and investor bought +20m with the deal of enhancing the nearby park.. so i am wondering if they approve the 150m version... anyway, here is how it could look like http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3832/kkks0vz8.jpg

some news:

the design of the tower has been changed, now slimmer but taller (still 80,000 sq m)
the height has been increased to 150m

no renderings available yet

:banana:, my dream has become true...a height increase!!!!

geilometer :banana:

noch ein wolkenkratzer für frankfurt :banana:

That will densen the central skyline even more! :banana:

Another 150m tower. :ohno:

I actually liked the old shorter design very much. Now the entire area will be made of 150m towers. Really boring.

at least we've a new tower, that's good enough for me :)

the 150m tower will fill the gap better than the 135m version.

yep, agree...on that plot height counts more than wide

Looks like another tower from 60's-70's is it really fashionable in Germany ? yuk

:lol:


that's not the design of the tower :nuts:

The new OFFICIAL Height of the Tower is 158 m.

As on the site of the Jappsen Ingenieure, who ware responsible for the development of the elevators ect.
http://www.jappsen-ingenieure.com/20ref/ref2.asp?pr=07-P-025

So in the end we might get a 160m tower if they keep increasing the height.
Hope we can see some new renderings soon.

the height (158m) is good. hopefully we're going to see the revised design soon.

Height increas is always good, but i am more excited to see the new design. I hope it will be a stunner, because Frankfurt is currently building way too much of those boring type skyscrapers. Maybe the redesign has made the Kaisekarree to a "small" stunner.

Keep your fingers crossed for a good design.

I would not expect much from gruber + kleine-kraneburg, but thank god the french architect viguier is part of the design team - so hopefully the design won't be as strict as the first one.

Concerning Building mass i liked the old design, with all the steps in between.
I am concerned that the new design will just be a long box with some cracy mosaic facade as mentioned before....
That would not be a stunner.

fantastic news, a 158m tall tower in that location is just perfect for the skyline....the taller the better :cheers:

it will fill an ugly gap

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/617/fasv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2590/fbxd0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nice simulation!

As is just found out of a certain source, the tower will indeed have around 160m.
Also there is a 2nd Tower planned on the site with about 50 m in height and 13 Floors which will be a only residential tower!

it should look like this in a fast mass study:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8979/kaiserkarreekh1.jpg
pic: MINE

Woww.. Frankfurts skyline is going to look very nice :)

frankfurt is really booming, the city Rules :cheers:


edit: i meant the news about the 2nd highrise :)

^
Sorry, but what has this post to do with the project we speak about?
Sometimes less is more ZZ-II.
Thx.

OFMG! LOL ROMLFL! XD XD XD
Frankfurt rocks! XD XD XD!!!

nice simulation!

As is just found out of a certain source, the tower will indeed have around 160m.
Also there is a 2nd Tower planned on the site with about 50 m in height and 13 Floors which will be a only residential tower!

it's getting better and better every minute. I hope your source said when we're going to see the design. I can not believe what is currently happening in frankfurt. I don't care if next year the boom is over. the current boom will change the skyline dramatically.

and it's nice that K26 is getting a little brother.

any news or renders?

unfortunately not

The height increase is great news, now Frankfurt will have 5 skyscrapers (over 150m ;) ) U/C (Kaiserkarree, Tower 185, Skyline Plaza Tower 2, ECB Skytower , and Opernturm) ...

The only thing that I don't like about the new design is that the residential spaces, which were part of the old design, aren't included in the new design, and a 13-story tower instead isn't bad, but I'd have preferred to have the apartments on the upper floors of Kaiserkarre, but i guess Germany still isn't quite ready for mixed-use skyscrapers, but I hope that in the future this will change...
I'm not sure if I'm right, but i heard that UEC (Skyline Plaza ) will be both hotel and residential use , at least on SSP it says that (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=6370 ).

ECB skytower is on hold. Since they do not want to spend 1.4 billion Dollars one one tower. And the price rose from about 500 million to 800 million and then 1.4 billion they are looking for other firms to make it cheaper...

The Kaiserkarre was about to get redesigned. I know we've read it here or at DAF first if there's anything new, but... Didn't they (Vivico?) intended to propose new renderings by the beginning of 2009? So, when are we going to see something?

I'm still no friend of another glass facade at the financial cluster, but if it's sorta innovative mosaic one, it could turn out pretty nice.

i think THEY (tishman-speyer &commerz-real) wanted to publish renders last october or so... but looks like the project is on hold due to the financial-crisis and declining demand for office-space.

Breaking News!

Despite the crisis, they're still going to start construction of the Kaiserkarre tower by the end of this year!

That's what the Immobilienzeitung tells us (http://www.immobilien-zeitung.de/htm/news.php3?id=31692&rubrik=2&pb=1).

German article:
Baustart für Frankfurter Hochhaus Kaiserkarree noch in diesem Jahr

Tishman Speyer und Commerz Real werden voraussichtlich noch in diesem Jahr mit dem Bau des Bürohochhauses Kaiserkarree an der Neuen Mainzer Straße in Frankfurt am Main beginnen, da ein Nutzer gefunden wurde. Dies verlautete heute ihm Rahmen einer Pressekonferenz des städtischen Planungsdezernats und der Bauaufsicht zum Frankfurter Baugeschehen. Nach einer Überarbeitung des Entwurfs der Architekten Gruber Kleine-Kraneburg soll das Hochhaus ca. 158 m Höhe erreichen. Wohnnutzung ist in einem separaten Gebäude vorgesehen. Commerz Real wollte sich nicht zum Baubeginn äußern, da man sich noch in Gesprächen befinde. Auf dem Grundstück steht noch ein kleineres leerstehendes Bürogebäude, die ehemalige Zentrale der Rheinischen Hypothekenbank. 2007 hatten die heutigen Investoren das Areal von der Commerzbank erworben.

:banana:

Seeeeeehr schön!!!! :banana:

Good news. One of my favourite projects in Frankfurt and very important for skyline density.

Indeed great news. But the end of the year.. It's still a long way to go!

latest news from today:

Now 2 towers: 160m + 60m

New name: Taunusturm

Presentation of the project will be on March 16th!

:cheers:

Good that the tower's height has been extended slightly to 160 metres. However, I don't know about the 60 metre tower. I surely do not want a residential tower within the vicinity of the Commerzbank Tower. That's why the scheme to redevelop the old IBCF Tower into a residential building probably failed or is a very stale proposal.

Im not sure Id like to live in a small residential tower surrounded by office tower giants. having said that ... the location is directly next to the park, most apartments, if not all, will have park views.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6886/kkks0.jpg

pic by newfvgffm



Im curious to see the new design. in the beginning there was one 115m tall tower proposed for this site, then it was increased to 135m and now there will be two towers of 160m and 60m. too bad they didn´t put the 60m residential tower on top of the office tower :lol:

^^ I didn't want to see ANY residential use for the site because it is not zoned for residential use. Why can't both towers be used for offices?

Frankfurt has more than enough offices around its financial district. Some living space wouldn't hurt, on the contrary - it'll vitalize the area! What's wrong about that?

the local government wants more residential space in the city center, especially the banking quarter. I'm pretty certain we will see more of this in the future. I think it is even a requirement to provide some residentail space somewhere in the vicinity anyway, if you want to build an office tower.

I hate this new version of the development! And I don't like that residential tower at all! I like the old version of this development. I thought Commerzbank was going to occupy this tower. And the existing building has a wing jutting out to the greenspace.

good news:

http://www.fr-online.de/frankfurt_und_hessen/nachrichten/frankfurt/1680210_Krisentrotzer-Wolkenkratzer.html

Not good, great! 160m instead of 135m is good news. And another 60m residential. I am curious about the design... :banana:

Yes, its fantastic news. Should provide enough density and height to change the character of this corner. The banking district will become even more awesome.

The first renderings should appear in March, right?

hm 60m is pretty short for that area i think... but probably they want to save some park views for other coming and existing towers, who knows. and living in the citycentre will become more and more attractive in the future i guess. you could save 2h of driving to your office every day when you live in the tower next door to your workplace.

Woww.. Frankfurts skyline is going to look very nice :)

It already does.

However, this building is incredibly boring to look at. It's a bad flashback to bland 1960-70s international style.

It already does.

However, this building is incredibly boring to look at. It's a bad flashback to bland 1960-70s international style.

Do you know something? The new renderings will be presented mid March.

Gendo: Did you even read the first page? :ohno:


However, great news! (I remember I posted them here but they obviously disappeared..) I'm somewhat excited to see the new renders.

It was said that the new renderings/plans would be published by monday this week.

So, where bleiben sie?

I could not find any new info about it!

there´s no need to worry. the project is on track. the presentation of the project was just postponed to april.

could look like this:

http://www.abload.de/thumb/kk1ycuq.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=kk1ycuq.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/kk2nh8q.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=kk2nh8q.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/kk3qmve.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=kk3qmve.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/kk4gi0e.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=kk4gi0e.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/kk5cj72.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=kk5cj72.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/kk64j67.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=kk64j67.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/kk7akd9.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=kk7akd9.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/kk8ag7p.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=kk8ag7p.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/kk9pcft.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=kk9pcft.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/kk10rkjy.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=kk10rkjy.jpg)

little help thx to google sketchup :)
u don't get a render? Make you own :)

good job, but lets hope that the tower won`t get as boxy as your modell.

the new renders will be published tomorrow, wright? can't wait to see them

wrong! they sent a mail to a daf-forumer, confirming that there won`t be anything shown today.. sucks again..

This is :ohno:


So, when are we supposed to get something visual?

the new planned date for the presentation is may 25th... but i wouldn`t bet anything on it..

Verdammte Axt. That's not funny anymore :no:

the new planned date for the presentation is may 25th... but i wouldn`t bet anything on it..

:bash:, i hate it!

omg, they`ve really presented it, finally..
no (main-)tenant yet, so also no date of constructionstart set.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3082/taunusturrm.jpg

looks really boring imho..

Yikes! Such a crap design in such a prominent location.

That looks like something that could have been proposed in the 60s of the last century. :ohno:

In my opinion it is a fantastic design, congratulations Frankfurt!

The new tower turned out fair...but that residential tower still needs to be scrapped.

Looks ok if its the middle building. I don't like the red one though. It reminds me to some weird designs in Rotterdam ;)

^^ it is the middle building (and the little tower to the right).

taunusturm was always ment to be a big filler in the banking quarter. and that´s what it still is. too bad it lost the distinctive dark facade though. it will fill a big gap in the area, and for that it doesn´t need to be very interesting.

we should wait for more renderings. the little rendering presented isn´t enough to judge. looking at other tishman speyer developments in the city I would predict, the tower is going to look better in reality. nothing to fancy, just a solid, simple design. a nice filler, which will change to classic view of the skyline considerably ...


some additional info:
- the office tower has 40 floors (39 office floors and a ground floor)
- height 160m (25m more than previous design, and 45m more than initial design)
- public restaurant on the top floor
- gastronomy and retail on the ground floor
- the residential "tower" has 19 floors
- height 60m
- 54 apartments
- gastronomy and retail on the ground floor

I hate it. It's just an ugly box. What will Frankfurt look like when they only build towers like this one, the PWC and Opernturm. It are just boxy type skyscrapers. The new grand Hyatt if they choose the white tower design bei UN Amsterdam wil finally add something fresh to the skyline.

I like it. Frankfurt needs more simple and classic designs to fill the gaps. And the facade will be very nice with natural stone.

And what we see is only one side. The combination of two different sized halves might turn out quite interesting. More renderings are required.

i like it too :), lets hope they can build it soon :)!

I hate it. It's just an ugly box. What will Frankfurt look like when they only build towers like this one, the PWC and Opernturm. It are just boxy type skyscrapers. The new grand Hyatt if they choose the white tower design bei UN Amsterdam wil finally add something fresh to the skyline.

The white more modernist highrise for the hotel is just an average design without any highlights.
PWC, Opernturm and Taunusturm may not be hyper modern design buildings. But who said they HAVE TO? Thus you do not get sick of them in future! Since neutral design is timeless. Understatement is also a quality. And I honestly hope to see such a "simple" design also for the T365.
There are many buildings that are not super modern and even though have a great design and turned out to be classics: Chrysler Building, ESB, the old towers classics of Warsaw and Moscow (university), Sears Tower, Messeturm...

Such a boring design but anyway it has a certain elegance and style.

it's ok, but I don't like double floors at the cladding, it loses optical height, doesn't look like 160m.

There was a proposal that was made several years ago to convert the old IBCF building into residential use. That proposal probably failed. Are there even any residential buildings in the Banking District of Frankfurt?

Residential is very rare in the banking district. Its mostly office.

The only residential tower I can think of is the Eurotheum. It has serviced apartments from the 22nd to 29th floor.

http://www.interpane.com/medien/resize/bildmaterial_industrie_indus_300dpi_EUROTHEUM_800_600.jpg

omg there's the name of my prof.at the bottom of the pic. Looks like he did the rendering. awesome. He dissed me and my proposal today :)

there is also the new adina apartment tower, which is across the park - I have no pics though

omg there's the name of my prof.at the bottom of the pic. Looks like he did the rendering. :)
more like he did the design, because thats from this architecture firm (never heard of them, even though he's your docent!?).

more like he did the design, because thats from this architecture firm (never heard of them, even though he's your docent!?).

yes!

Some nice alternate Taunusturm designs by user Ulukai:
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9514/unbenannt1kopiew.jpg


And one by R@ptor:
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3025/taunusturmmodified.jpg

anchor tenant for tanusturm found, it's clifford chance:

http://www.faz.net/s/RubFAE83B7DDEFD4F2882ED5B3C15AC43E2/Doc~EBA1F19B80E9D4BA3892B3A3E5592D90A~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html


the design presented a few weeks ago is not the final design, according to the article.

Looks ok if its the middle building. I don't like the red one though. It reminds me to some weird designs in Rotterdam ;)


You mean The Red Apple :tongue2:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3417/x5dvh1.jpg

( Pic by wolkenbestormer )

What about the Taunusturm? Didn't they promise to modify the plans again?

I don't want this bland box to be built in the center of the Frankfurt skyline.

looks like something is happening. demolition of the buildings at the site of the future 2-tower complex starts soon.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Kaiserkarree-1.jpg/800px-Kaiserkarree-1.jpg

source: wikipedia

That's great news. Thanks for letting us know :cheers:

looks like demolition started already! I'll post pics after the weekend.

we can change the status to demo.

No, the status would be prep(aration), otherwise people might think the 160m Tower would be demolished... :lol:

unfortunately not according the rules here.

Originally Posted by wjfox View Post
Basically it goes in this order:

Pre-planning = Project is still in the design and consultation phase
Pro = Project has been submitted for planning permission
App = Project has been approved
Demo = Demolition underway on site
Prep = Site clearance/excavation/piling/foundations
U/C = Core and superstructure rising
T/O = Topped out, the tower has reached its maximum height
Com = Internally and externally complete.


but demo is a good status too - atleast something is finally happening ;)

No, the status would be prep(aration), otherwise people might think the 160m Tower would be demolished... :lol:

Not really. Old projects that are being demolished are no news on this forum. It means that it won't be placed here in the World Development News forums because it makes other people cry you see? Demolishing a skyscraper is a shame unless it's a real ugly one.

Demo means in this forum that a building is being demolished and replaced by a nice new skyscraper! :happy: And that would be the Taunus Turm ja? :D

Ah, okay. I see. :D Yes, it would be Taunusturm in this case...

Fantastic news. According to Frankfurts local laws, construction must start soon after demolition. Its the law!!!

That’s a first one, a law that works in my interest :) Great law because I really would like to see some construction.

construction won't start before fall though. the demolition is quite complex.

Any pictures of the demolition progress? :)

Yes, there are some pictures in the DAF-Thread (http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/showthread.php?t=6871&page=22) ....

^^Danke very much!

I cant wait too see any update...

looks like something is happening. demolition of the buildings at the site of the future 2-tower complex starts soon.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Kaiserkarree-1.jpg/800px-Kaiserkarree-1.jpg

source: wikipedia

Thats great.
Its prep?

no, demolition stopped.

^^That's bad. Demolition probably stopped because of recession or lack of funds?

Just a matter of time. Large office space in premium locations is quite rare in Frankfurt now. And the location is pretty much the best you can find in Frankfurt.

^^That's bad. Demolition probably stopped because of recession or lack of funds?

It stopped because the anchor tenant decided to go for another building.
An insider says, it will resume within weeks ... whatever that means.

Die F.A.Z. von Heute: Seite 33
"... Noch im vergangenen Jahr wurde der Bau des Taunusturms, eines 160m Meter hohen Bürohochhauses im Bankenviertel, kurz vor Beginn gestoppt, weil der Mieter abgesprungen war. Schon in diesem Jahr will der Bauherr Tishman Speyer aber offenbar einen neuen Anlauf wagen. Darauf deuten verschiede Signale hin, darunter ein Antrag, einige dem Bauvorhaben im Weg stehende Bäume abzuholzen. Mitte Januar will das Unternehmen über seine Pläne informieren."

Die F.A.Z. von Heute: Seite 33
"... Noch im vergangenen Jahr wurde der Bau des Taunusturms, eines 160m Meter hohen Bürohochhauses im Bankenviertel, kurz vor Beginn gestoppt, weil der Mieter abgesprungen war. Schon in diesem Jahr will der Bauherr Tishman Speyer aber offenbar einen neuen Anlauf wagen. Darauf deuten verschiede Signale hin, darunter ein Antrag, einige dem Bauvorhaben im Weg stehende Bäume abzuholzen. Mitte Januar will das Unternehmen über seine Pläne informieren."

:master:

vielen dank für die info!

Jeah, really cool news, but now in english (sorry, only translated with "Linguatec Translator":

"...Still last year the making of the Taunusturms, a 160 m metre high office tower in the banking area, was stopped shortly before the beginning because the tenant had got out. Already this year the client Tishman Speyer wants to venture a new attempt apparently, however. The building scheme in the way to fell stationary trees would be different indicate signals to, under this an application reconciles. The enterprise wants to inform about his plans in the middle of January."

Great news! Let's see how the new plans turn out. Hopefully it gets a redesign. Or they use the old, black design with its nice setbacks. That's be unique for Frankfurt.

That is really good news and I am looking forward to hear about the new plans in mid January

The demolition of the existing buildings is about to resume within days :)

I have almost given up hope for this project. Glad to see the progress.

its official now, the developer tishman speyer just held a conference: construction is about to start immediately after demolition (which began a few days ago).

some facts:

- height of the office tower has been increased again to 170 meters
(initially it was 115m tall, then it was increased to 135m, then increased again to 160m and a second tower was added - a 19 storey, 63m tall residential building)
- the office tower will have 40 floors and 60,000 sq m of office space
- the residential tower will remain as planned (50 apartments, 7,500 sq m)
- 350 parking spaces
- total usable space is 75,000 sq m
- architect is gruber + kleine-kraneburg
- demolition started a few days ago
- construction is due to start immediately after demolition.
- date of completion is december 2013

source: immobilienzeitung from today

first rendering:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/588/tttnj.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/tttnj.jpg/)


by tishman speyer

Woah, that's great news!
Love how Frankfurt's skyline gets denser and denser with every year!

it was about time, now we have a decent amount of current highrise and skyscraper projects in the pipes.

for a bigger rendering check this out:

http://www.commerzreal.com/uploads/media/110121_TaunusTurm_Pressetermin_Visualisierung.pdf

and an article in english:

http://www.commerzreal.com/en/press/recent-press-releases/artikel/article/tishman-speyer-und-commerz-real-kuendigen-baubeginn-des-taunusturm-in-frankfurt-an.html?LS=1&cHash=ec9b2cc28854d5d138deaef67c4f91bf

great news, great day, i love the design, except the facadel segmentation of 2 floors...

here the render a bit darker to see more details:

http://www.abload.de/img/taunusturm6zvu.jpg

Picture: Tishman Speyer, CommerzReal

Fantastic design ... Outstanding addition to the skyline! :master:

Fantastic news and they just keep adding floors to the building. It is now 170 meters. :cheers:

wow Frankfurt will be booming in the next two years. So many new skyscrapers. Great News

...except the facadel segmentation of 2 floors...



that's what I thought, too. too bad, they decided to build it like that.


I would love the see it from the other side. I hope there is an angled top on the other side too. other than that it's a great filler. also good to see apartments in the banking quarter.

thanks for the pic, newfvgffm

the same question i asked myself, too bad that they presented only ONE rendering, but there are only two options, a quick and dirty sketchup illustrates what i mean:

Option 1:

http://www.abload.de/thumb/tt1fxec.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=tt1fxec.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/tt2oxh2.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=tt2oxh2.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/tt7mp3x.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=tt7mp3x.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/tt6zsgl.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=tt6zsgl.jpg)

Option 2:

http://www.abload.de/thumb/tt3kldp.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=tt3kldp.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/tt4yycc.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=tt4yycc.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/tt57z3n.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=tt57z3n.jpg)

Google sketchup, by newfvgffm

and i could not resist to play a bit with photoshop, i would have liked it more with a one floor facade structure:



http://www.abload.de/img/taunusturm22whpo.jpg

And even better with a slightly higher apartement highrise:

http://www.abload.de/img/taunusturm223ggh4.jpg

Pics: Tishman Speyer, changes by newfvgffm

option 1 is quite interesting. option 2 is probably what we get.


I like your improvements. A 60m tall building right next to a 170m tall tower looks kinda weird. it looks so lost among all the other tall buildings.

seems like i`m some minutes late..
i think the 2floor-cladding is not as worse with this new design, then it was before. also good that it is 10m higher now, so the height-difference to the neighboring ecb tower will be bigger.
good news for frankfurt anyway :)

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9378/taunusturm.jpg

Absolutelty great news. Love the new design of the office tower. Glad they increased the height and improved the roof structure. Another unique tower for the CBD.

I am alos very happy we get a full resdiential tower right in the CBD. Hope more highrise residential will follow once this becomes a sucess. The resdiential tower could have been a bit taller as newfvgffm has demonstrated in his photoshop manipulations. But better than nothing.

according to FNP the office tower is getting a white stone facade (quite a contrast to the towers in the vicinity!).

the residential building is 63m tall.

demolition will take 2 months.

more (in german): http://www.fnp.de/fnp/region/lokales/es-geht-wieder-nach-oben_rmn01.c.8607972.de.html


edit: whenever I look at this office tower I have to think of dallas, minneapolis or something like that ...

btw. a clever design, the heights of the two new buildings decreases gradually to the height of the listed building, so you get a homogeneous image with all three buildings together.

furthermore also the sloping roof of the taunusturm contributes to this.

that's right.

though too bad it is almost the same height as the proposed metzler tower (175m) next door (if it ever gets built).

taunusturm is going to have a huge impact on the traditional river skyline view from the east. I wish developers in germany would publish more and better renderings. it is hard to say anything about it just by looking at a single picture.

White stone facade and the same developer as Opernturm :drool:

To develop this without an anchor tenant must involve some risk, how often does that happen? Anyway it must indicate that things are going really good in Frankfurt right now.

that's right.

though too bad it is almost the same height as the proposed metzler tower (175m) next door (if it ever gets built).

taunusturm is going to have a huge impact on the traditional river skyline view from the east. I wish developers in germany would publish more and better renderings. it is hard to say anything about it just by looking at a single picture.

Well, no(!) skyscraper in Frankfurt in the last years has been built with the height it had been proposed, and most of them are taller now (Opernturm, Tower 185)...

Demolition is going fast, they even worked on a saturday, pics made yesterday by my mobile:


http://www.abload.de/img/tt2aoow.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/tt1dtzn.jpg

Demolition is going to take only 2 months! and it is a huge complex...

Overview of the complex to be demolished:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6886/kkks0.jpg

Thanks newfvgffm for the update.

Well, no(!) skyscraper in Frankfurt in the last years has been built with the height it had been proposed, and most of them are taller now (Opernturm, Tower 185)...

you're right. if metzler tower ever gets built, it will probably be a bit taller than the proposed 175m.


thanks for the pics, newfvgffm. demolition is proceeding faster than I expected.

which tower was the last pic taken from? is it skyper?

White stone facade and the same developer as Opernturm :drool:

To develop this without an anchor tenant must involve some risk, how often does that happen? Anyway it must indicate that things are going really good in Frankfurt right now.

Looks great, but there s a lot of space being built, hope it won t backfire financialy - as i have heard people say "if there s no construction in Frankfurt, Germany is in problems" .

The view from the Main will be even better :D Frankfurt CBD is incredible...

Seem this project has been underway forever, great things are finally happening. :)

This tower will finally fill the gap of the skyline from the south-east view (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinhughes/2321286079/)!

:banana: :cucumber: :carrot: :pepper:

option 1 is quite interesting. option 2 is probably what we get.




in an interview the architects told the FAZ that there will be 2 pitched roofs, so it is going to look like something in my option 1...great news i think...

so, here another little simulation via google sketchup, commerzbank complex and japan tower i used form the warehouse, the new tower i remodeld with my best knowledge, i guess it gives a good overview of how it's going to look like:

Heights are accurate:


http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu120jzb9.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu120jzb9.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu11q9rl.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu11q9rl.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu110kxc5.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu110kxc5.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu111tlg8.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu111tlg8.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu112tb9i.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu112tb9i.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu113wbz1.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu113wbz1.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu114tasp.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu114tasp.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu1154bv3.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu1154bv3.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu116dacj.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu116dacj.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu117j94k.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu117j94k.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu118xxp7.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu118xxp7.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu119qag0.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu119qag0.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu12uzi6.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu12uzi6.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu13dx7n.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu13dx7n.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu1429dm.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu1429dm.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu15maqf.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu15maqf.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu16q9zq.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu16q9zq.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu17h9av.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu17h9av.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu18vl32.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu18vl32.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/ttneu19fx2p.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu19fx2p.jpg)

Simulations: newfvfgffm

Echt geil!

You know it's good to see Frankfurt strengthening it's crown for the best skyline in Europe.

^^ +1

can anyone change the height to 170m ?!

the change has been requested a couple of days ago. one of the moderators will change it as soon as possible.

@ newfvgffm

thanks for the effort. it is awesome to see a tower with a totally different outline for a change.

http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ttneu18vl32.jpg

can anyone change the height to 170m ?!

Hmmmm, heute in der FAZ gib es ein Bericht in dem Klaus Oesterling, der Vorsitzender der SPD-Fraktion, die Höhe des Taunusturmes kritisiert, weil in dem geltenden Bebauungdsplan eine Höhe von 135m vorgesehen ist.
:ohno::bash:

Ahh ja,... und dann jammert noch Dieter Bartetzko über "das wunderschöne Gebäude" aus 1950, dass gerade abgerissen wird um Platz für den Taunusturm zu machen...

Also man muss wirklich zugeben, dass dieses Gebäude aus den 50ern eher zu den gelungenen aus dieser Zeit gehört. Allerdings trauere ich ihm bestimmt nicht nach, wenn man bedenkt was danach an seiner Stelle gebaut wird.
170m wären schon besser als mickrige 135m!

Nice tower! 170m, please, not 135m...yeah!

It will be cool to look at the construction site from the main tower.

nach diesem und den bestehenden projekten dürfte man sich dann als nächstes irgendwann aber auch mal an designs wagen die nicht nur simple geometrische formen aufweisen, sonst wird das irgendwann recht schnöde.

In Englisch please. We are in the internatonal section.


What will follow after that skyscraper?

you mean the most likely candidate after the taunusturm?

I would say another vivico project, or the fraspa project.

pics from this morning!.... it will be really big!

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/185981_198989510126540_100000464767170_751056_5582012_n.jpg http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/184222_198989403459884_100000464767170_751055_1169188_n.jpg http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/184270_198989290126562_100000464767170_751054_5000961_n.jpg http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/183739_198989210126570_100000464767170_751053_6197436_n.jpg

thanks migöl for the update

thanks migöl for the update

:)

thanks for the update. amazing, how fast they are.

Fantastic! I just can't wait to see the TaunusTurm finished.

It's filling the most obvious gap seen from the most prominent perspective.
That was about time! Great redesign of the tower itself, it will most probably be of very high quality.

Stunning demolition progress btw. Demounting such a huge complex in just 2 months is incredible. If you think about how long it took them to dismantle the TechnischesRathaus-bomb in the old town...

Great redesign of the tower itself, it will most probably be of very high quality.

Exactly! Messeturm + Opernturm + Taunusturm! 3 buildings of high quality! gotta love Tishman Speyer! :)

I'm already wondering which project could be the next for tishman speyer.

I'm also wondering how the final redesign will look like. it appears there are going to be some minor changes to the design. some sources also state that the residential tower might get a little bit taller, than initially planned (now up to 68m possible).

piling is due to begin end of march. sooner than I thought.

Just what Frankfurt needs - a supertall is not number 1 priority in Frankfurt as those gaps first need to be filled.

Beautiful development, love the density

I'm already wondering which project could be the next for tishman speyer.

I'm also wondering how the final redesign will look like. it appears there are going to be some minor changes to the design. some sources also state that the residential tower might get a little bit taller, than initially planned (now up to 68m possible).

piling is due to begin end of march. sooner than I thought.

sounds great! good news! :)

even though the demolition of the existing buildings isn't quite finished yet preparation work has started (foundation). this thread can be changed to PREP.

http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/1103/f7/368a9ad8c9cc.jpg

holy crap ... outstanding picture! thank you! :master:

Changed the status

^^ thank you.

isek, that's an awesome shot. shows how big the site is.

Isek, thanks for an awesome picture :drool:

the speed is incredible. there is a lot of piling equipment on site.

Should be UC now already as piling has started. Awesome speed.

What a speed. Is it TO next week? It feels as if it was proposed just a couple of weeks ago and now is it UC :)

the building has already been completly demolished, the picture is from last week I think.

From saturday
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3251/mg2509.jpg

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3945/mg2506.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6020/mg2507.jpg

very good

very good

:master:

Thanks for the update Tom. Mods should make it UC now!