Naga and Iriga Cities, and Camarines Sur Province - Compiled Threads [Archive] - Page 4

nikki_18

October 1st, 2006, 04:21 PM

the typhoon that just passed here in naga was really destructive..the wind was really strong and it even uprooted some trees and made a few electric post fell into the ground..that is why power supply in the city was cut..fortunately after a day electricity was again available...the city was really greatly affected by the typhoon but most of the naguenos continued their life like there is no bad weather...gimik places even got back to its operation just after the typhoon passed...and party goer nagunos were not even hindered by the recent calamity...all bars and cafes are still jampack...and that really made me conclude that naguenos are really fun loving and nothing can stop us from having fun!! :) even a typhoon can never get into our way when it comes to partying!!! hehehehee!! but ofcourse we never forget to help or just give moral support to those people who were very much affected. esp those who lost their homes...i think that is one unpleasant result of a great calamity..leaving people homeless and sometimes lives were sacrificed.. ...:(:(

nikki_18

October 1st, 2006, 04:30 PM

im back!

nikki_18

October 1st, 2006, 04:31 PM

im back!!

nikki_18

October 1st, 2006, 04:42 PM

hey guys!! let your eyes feast on these pics of the <B>camsur watersports complex</B>..i really like these pics..i think the complex is great...i really like trying to learn how to wakeboard there!! truly there are lot of things to do when youre there...hope you like the pics..i got them from the camsur water sports complex website..www. camsurwatersportscomplex.com

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/marlon_ld/pool_night1.jpg

pool area
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/marlon_ld/pool21.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/marlon_ld/pool11.jpg

wakeboarding facility
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/marlon_ld/clubhouse1-1.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/marlon_ld/clubhouse1.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/marlon_ld/1header1.jpg

invited wakeboarders from australia and some parts of the philippines..

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/marlon_ld/group-jpasa1.jpg
overlooking mt. isarog
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/marlon_ld/2header1.jpg

kevinb

October 2nd, 2006, 03:18 AM

^^ Pretty pics nikki. :)
OT: Who's marlon? BF mo? :D

Sinjin P.

October 2nd, 2006, 03:23 AM

Mt Isarog is grand :eek2:

kevinb

October 3rd, 2006, 09:23 AM

^^ Yes. Super. :D

koltuvtbm

October 4th, 2006, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by nikki_18 let your eyes feast on these pics of the camsur watersports complex...
Another round of beautiful shots, nikki, keep them coming.
But you see the beautiful pictures only tell one-half of the story. What it does not show is the resounding adverse local concern over CSWC's lack of relevance. Is Camarines Sur or Bicolandia, among the country's depressed regions, prepared for this kind of infrastructure? Reportedly P20.0 Million was spent just for excavation purposes, which amount undeniably could have gone a long way towards concreting more barangay roads or paying for the badly-needed repair of Andaya (Quirino) Hiway.
My point is that there are more pressing needs than this CSWC.
With due respect to you, nikki, you shot beautiful pictures of CSWC, a misplaced provincial government project that made a lot of people in Camarines Sur sad. This fine example of wrong provincial government priority at gargantuan public expense is idle most of the time because the great majority of us provincianos don't know this watersport and could not care less knowing it when what we need are basic necessities and prioritize daily being able to put much-needed food on our table.
When the incumbent governor was elected, there were high hopes he would be better than the previous. It was a gross mistake. He seems to be a first-rate without-really-trying-hard copycat.

kevinb

October 5th, 2006, 04:54 AM

^^ He should have made attempts to alleviate the standard of living of most families here in CamSur. Andaming problema dito at un dapat ang unahin nya or pagsabayin nya kung kaya. I know that infrastructure is also important, but his constituents are likewise important. :sleepy:

kevinb

October 6th, 2006, 09:39 AM

House OKs sports school

NAGA CITY -- The House of Representatives passed on third and final reading a bill that will establish a Bicol sports academy in Camarines Sur’s capital town of Pili.

Under House Bill No. 3377, authored by Camarines Sur Representative Luis R. Villafuerte, the academy will serve as “the primary sports development and training hub” for athletes and coaches and other sports staffers in the six Bicol provinces.

He said the academy will provide Bicolano athletes access to facilities, equipment, qualified staff and other resources for training. Juan Escandor Jr., Inquirer Southern Luzon

Source (http://newsinfo.inq7.net/breakingnews/metroregions/view_article.php?article_id=25011)

nikki_18

October 7th, 2006, 04:12 AM

just wanna make some clarifications here!!

first: i just got the pics from the internet..it wasnt really me who shot it...:)

second: for me the building of a facility like the CSWC is not really good and important but it may somehow attract more tourist and investors, and it can make camsur more popular to other places which can help more in the promotion of the province...but it doesnt mean that i already forgot the present situation of our province. i am aware that our province is one of the poorest in the country and building of such grand infrasture in a province where most people are poor, for me is weird and depressing...:( but nanjan na yan...and there's nothing we can do about it..so lets just be optimistic and supportive about the project and lets hope that CSWC be able to improve the lives of the people of camsur...and lets pray that such misuse of funds will no longer happen....but i doubt it...

....for as long as the villafuertes are in the position nothing will improve and the government funds will just got wasted on Villafuerte pavillions, over pass and other infrastructure that can be made effective yet simple but they tend to made it very grand and useless....they even put their initials and names on every project they made...how depressing!!!:(:(

sorry for everything i wrote here..i jz dont like those people...

nikki_18

October 7th, 2006, 04:14 AM

AND IM NOT INSENSITIVE!!!!! peace to all!!

koltuvtbm

October 7th, 2006, 08:33 AM

Noted and well-taken, nikki_18. Am sure you are not insensitive. Nothing against you.
Let's change the topic. Just keep those fantastic pics of yours coming, whatever the source.

Originally posted by sinjin
Mt Isarog is grand

You may want to read the following article from Good News Pilipinas and know why there is a lot at stake for us Nagueños as far as Isarog is concerned, least of all is the fact that Isarog is where we get our potable water.

Bicol's highest peak is now reforested

One of the Philippines' tallest peaks is close to being totally reforested.
The Camarines Sur State Agricultural College and the Partido State University revealed in separate studies that Bicol's Mount Isarog has been considerably rehabilitated.
The study says that in parts of the dormant volcano where there are no illegal settlers, the region's tallest peak's vegetation cover is now 80 to 100 percent restored.
The vegetative cover consists of premium trees and shrubs, fruit-bearing and agro-forest trees, bamboo and grass, and wild endemic and edible plants of various classifications and sizes.
Mt. Isarog is home to about 1,300 species of plants, 143 species of birds, and various species of deer, wild pigs, monkeys and wild cats.
The rehabilitation study of the volcano's slopes, the main watershed for Naga City was conducted by Dr. Celerino Liesol and professor Arthur Estrella of CSSAC while the PSU research was done by Raul Bradecina.

In their study, Llesol and Estrella evaluated the rehabilitation project of the Metro Naga Water District (MNWD), which is one of the major stakeholders in the utilization, protection, rehabilitation and development of the Mt. Isarog Natural Park.
They reported that the MNWD had achieved its goal of rehabilitating the denuded watershed, but regulation and control over the protected area from illegal entrants and settlers has to be improved
The watershed rehabilitation project covers 317 hectares of natural secondary growth, residual forest and man-made plantation of reforested areas. About five percent of the area is open grassland and brush land and cultivated farm lots.
Officials said that to keep Mt. Isarog safe is to avoid inorganic farming, slash-and-burn farming or kaingin; wildlife hunting, electric fishing, timber poaching, gathering of non-timber or minor forest plants, mono-cropping, poison fishing, burning of agricultural wastes, and treasure hunting.

From Good News Pilipinas
Positive Action, Triumphs & Inspirational Stories

kevinb

October 7th, 2006, 11:33 AM

The Coffee Beanery
brews in Naga

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THE Coffee beanery, a pioneer in perfecting gourmet coffee in the local scene takes pride in the quality of its group of barista who have regarded coffee-making as an art form, making every sip pleasurable for customers.

Now, the Coffee Beanery reaches out to Bicolanos with the opening of its franchise outlet at the Avenue Square in Naga City.

The Cu family of Naga City established The Coffee Beanery Naga as they believed in the brand and the product it offers. "The Bicol market is known for being discriminating with what they purchase; they appreciate superior quality and taste but they also seek value for money," said Allan Cu.

The store will offer a wide selection of freshly roasted, espresso-based coffee concoctions perfectly complementing a variety of food selections from cakes, pastries, pastas and sandwiches. They will also be offering products using the city’s famous local produce, the pili.

Source (http://www.malaya.com.ph/sep21/livi4.htm)

Medyo matagal na nag-open ang Coffee Beanery kaso ngayon ko lang nahagilap ang article na 'to. :D

koltuvtbm

October 8th, 2006, 02:17 PM

There are many coffeeshops in Naga, the more popular ones being Bean Bug, Starmart, Mudbugs, and Aljosh Cafe, all homegrown businesses. Coffee Beanery is the 1st Manila-based coffeeshop to open in Naga.
Personally I like best our very own Filipino coffee brew a.k.a. Batangas Barako made from liberica beans, which type of coffee bean is now in the endangered list and may become rare if not mass propagated again. In the entire world, only 2 countries, perhaps because of their climate, produce liberica coffee beans, Brazil and RP.
Most-frequented coffeeshops such as Starbucks and Gloria Jeans use arabica and robusta coffee beans also found in Nescafe and other 3-in-1 coffee brands. Pizza Hut uses Italian coffee beans.
In Manila, the barako coffee can be found at Figaro which is in the forefront trying to save the liberica coffee beans.
For me, nothing beats starting my day with barako brewed coffee with honey to accompany my bfast. Try it, you'll love it.

kevinb

October 8th, 2006, 06:30 PM

Naga: Ready for the Big Game
By Jesus P. Estanislao, Ph.D.

TWO contrasting images come to mind when Naga is mentioned. First, it has been a genteel capital that may have slept the sleep of decades, if not of centuries. Second, it has been multi-awarded these past two decades for the governance practices of its current city mayor, Jesse Robredo.

Any visitor to Naga today is still confronted by these two images: A city with a sleepy past and a city being pushed forward by the commitment of the city mayor and its citizens to good governance practices for the progress of all in the city.

Governance is obviously making a very significant difference in Naga.

Governance has moved Naga to articulate the mission of the city. It is as clear as day. And it is as simple and straightforward as “to make Nagueños happy and proud of their city and of their living faith through continuous improvement and innovation in inclusive governance and responsible citizenship.”

“Happy and proud:” that is the perennial pursuit and ultimate aim for the Nagueño. Lest the Nagueños forget, there are two important facets, the civic and the religious, that they should be happy and proud of. They should be proud of their city, of course. But their living faith should be up there too, on the same pedestal, because in truth the city and the living out of the people’s faith and of their devotion to their “Ina” are deeply and integrally connected with each other.

It is no wonder, then, that among the core values the city has laid down as the foundation for its progress and the happiness of its citizens are “religiosity,” and “civic involvement.” Together with these are the closely inter-related values of “discipline,” “resilience,” and “open-mindedness.” To complete the list, they also included: “Innovativeness,” “excellence,” and “family-orientedness.”

The inner consistency between the city’s Mission Statement and its explicitly stated core values points to the broad avenues through which the city and its citizens expect to travel towards becoming “happy and proud of their city and of their living faith.” Stipulated are “continuous improvement and innovation” specifically in “inclusive governance and responsible citizenship.” Governance shines through: After all, it is this that has made a decisive difference in Naga these past two decades!

Having awakened from the sleep of decades, and even of centuries, and having laid the ground for future progress, Naga has now put forward its vision for 2015. By that year, Naga “shall be the recognized model of good governance and responsible citizenship”; of “people-centered development”; and of “abiding faith that expresses itself in social solidarity and a culture of excellence.” Moreover, what each of these means is spelled out in the Vision Statement itself.

Naga is already being recognized as a model for good governance. It obviously wants to have a much stronger lock on that claim. Moreover, it insists that good governance is not an aim to be achieved for itself; rather, it is a means to the end of a “people-centered development.” And to show that it means what it says in its Mission Statement, it insists on getting the faith of its people expressed in specific acts of “social solidarity” and in a determined pursuit of a “culture of excellence” every day and every facet of their life.

With its Mission Statement, its core values, and its Vision Statement, Naga is gearing itself up for the big game of sustained people development. The message is: By 2015, it shall have taken off. (Originally published in the author’s column, “Swimming Against the Current”, that appeared in the September 14, 2006 issue of the Manila Bulletin).

Source (http://naga.gov.ph)

Mond87

October 9th, 2006, 05:33 AM

Noted and well-taken, nikki_18. Am sure you are not insensitive. Nothing against you.
Let's change the topic. Just keep those fantastic pics of yours coming, whatever the source.

You may want to read the following article from Good News Pilipinas and know why there is a lot at stake for us Nagueños as far as Isarog is concerned, least of all is the fact that Isarog is where we get our potable water.

Bicol's highest peak is now reforested

One of the Philippines' tallest peaks is close to being totally reforested.
The Camarines Sur State Agricultural College and the Partido State University revealed in separate studies that Bicol's Mount Isarog has been considerably rehabilitated.
The study says that in parts of the dormant volcano where there are no illegal settlers, the region's tallest peak's vegetation cover is now 80 to 100 percent restored.
The vegetative cover consists of premium trees and shrubs, fruit-bearing and agro-forest trees, bamboo and grass, and wild endemic and edible plants of various classifications and sizes.
Mt. Isarog is home to about 1,300 species of plants, 143 species of birds, and various species of deer, wild pigs, monkeys and wild cats.
The rehabilitation study of the volcano's slopes, the main watershed for Naga City was conducted by Dr. Celerino Liesol and professor Arthur Estrella of CSSAC while the PSU research was done by Raul Bradecina.

In their study, Llesol and Estrella evaluated the rehabilitation project of the Metro Naga Water District (MNWD), which is one of the major stakeholders in the utilization, protection, rehabilitation and development of the Mt. Isarog Natural Park.
They reported that the MNWD had achieved its goal of rehabilitating the denuded watershed, but regulation and control over the protected area from illegal entrants and settlers has to be improved
The watershed rehabilitation project covers 317 hectares of natural secondary growth, residual forest and man-made plantation of reforested areas. About five percent of the area is open grassland and brush land and cultivated farm lots.
Officials said that to keep Mt. Isarog safe is to avoid inorganic farming, slash-and-burn farming or kaingin; wildlife hunting, electric fishing, timber poaching, gathering of non-timber or minor forest plants, mono-cropping, poison fishing, burning of agricultural wastes, and treasure hunting.

From Good News Pilipinas
Positive Action, Triumphs & Inspirational Stories

Ngek... I thought it is Mayon???? All books I've read say it is Mayon... While Isarog is 1966 m, Mayon is 2,462 m... Isarog is the tallest mountain in Cam Sur only...

Sources:

http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano.cfm?vnum=0703-042
volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/current_volcs/philippines/mayonvol.html

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It's a good thing that Isarog is being reforested and hope that it will bring more tourists to Cam Sur that will increase its economic state as well... I agree w/ Nikki and kevinb, poverty must be Cam Sur's gov's main agenda and not SPORTS... This must also be the main focus of all other governors in Bicol... FGS, we are 4th poorest in the country!!!

Btw, I would want to visit Isarog someday, I saw it on "Gone for the Weekend" and have heard of many tales about this mountain...

koltuvtbm

October 9th, 2006, 07:50 AM

kevinb

October 9th, 2006, 09:20 AM

That's weird. What I know is that it is really Isarog. I've read many articles that Isarog is Bicol's highest peak. But when I looked for some site, Mayon nga. So weird. Anyway, both peaks are beautiful. Sana lang magkaron ng glacier para mas maganda. :lol:

bonixx

October 9th, 2006, 10:46 AM

kevinb

October 10th, 2006, 02:54 AM

^^ Kung magka-glacier ang Mayon at Bulusan, hindi pa rin uubra kasi palaging maiinit ulo ng dalawang un eh. Bago pa ma-form ang glacier, tunaw agad! :lol:

bonixx

October 10th, 2006, 06:07 AM

^^ Kung magka-glacier ang Mayon at Bulusan, hindi pa rin uubra kasi palaging maiinit ulo ng dalawang un eh. Bago pa ma-form ang glacier, tunaw agad! :lol:

OO nga no... Galing mo talaga ahehehehe. Ei punta ako jn sa naga taga jan ang magiging misis ko sa Tigaon ahehehe

kevinb

October 10th, 2006, 08:27 AM

^^ Malayo ang Tigaon dito sa Naga eh. Talagang malayo. Hehe. ;)

bonixx

October 10th, 2006, 11:03 AM

Yeah Pero jan ako sasakay ng bus to Lagonoy di ba kaya stop over din ako jn sa Naga

koltuvtbm

October 11th, 2006, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by bonixx
Yeah Pero jan ako sasakay ng bus to Lagonoy di ba kaya stop over din ako jn sa Naga
Actually there is a direct trip to Lagonoy by Philtranco from its Pasay central bus terminal, and by Raymond Bus from Cubao, QC central bus terminal (near Ali Mall). Just don't know their departure time.
Lagonoy is 60 kms. from Naga via Fuentebella Hiway. Manila is 400 kms. from Naga, while Lucena is 270 kms. from Naga, both routes via Andaya (Quirino) Hiway.
Tigaon is more or less 40 kms. from Naga. Tigaon is known for its mestizas, so your future mrs. must be some looker.

kevinb

October 11th, 2006, 11:23 AM

^^ There you have it bonixx. :colgate: But if you are taking bus companies other than the ones above, you surely will have a stop-over here in Naga. ;)

Sinjin P.

October 14th, 2006, 05:10 AM

Landco to develop Muntinlupa property
By Honey Madrilejos-Reyes
Reporter

LANDCO Pacific Corp., the property arm of Metro Pacific Investments Corp. (MPC), has signed a joint venture agreement with Sucat Land Corp. (SLC) for the development of the latter’s property in Muntinlupa City.

The plan is to convert the 9.7-hectare property located at kilometer 21 East Service Road of Manila south expressway into a master planned and themed residential lifestyle community of multistory cluster, open spaces and amenities.

Under the agreement, SLC will contribute property to the project, while Landco will provide the funds and expertise for its development, following an earlier approved business plan.

Details on the project development cost were not available at this time.

Landco, is a major multiproject real-estate development company engaged in high-end residential resorts, leisure farms, first homes residential developments, shopping centers and commercial business districts and memorial parks.

In December, Landco would complete a P500-million shopping mall in Naga City, Bicol. Apart from the mall that is seated on a 12-hectare property, Landco is also developing commercial buildings.

Just like what the company did for its first shopping mall/commercial area project in Legaspi City, Albay and Lucena City, Quezon, Landco is partnering again with the Gaisano group for the establishment of the Metro Department Store and Supermarket within the shopping mall.

SLC is a holding company whose major activity is the leasing of real property.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/comp03.php

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Grabe na talaga ang METRO Gaisano! :D

Mond87

October 14th, 2006, 06:10 AM

^^ Kung magka-glacier ang Mayon at Bulusan, hindi pa rin uubra kasi palaging maiinit ulo ng dalawang un eh. Bago pa ma-form ang glacier, tunaw agad! :lol:

Hahah... diba may mga bulkan sa Iceland na pinapalibutan ng glaciers? whehehe...

Mond87

October 14th, 2006, 06:20 AM

@Mond87 I think you are right. Dai ko daw yan napansin!
Perhaps bcoz I was more interested and happy in the news item that says Isarog's reforestation is almost complete.
For me reforestation and responsible logging are more important.
As regards height, matter of fact I think Mt. Asog (Iriga) is even higher than Isarog.
You see height is not the important issue in the article.
In Mayon's case, height is not the cause of its fame, but its perfect cone. Taal may not be as high as Isarog or Iriga, but it is certainly more popular.
So long as Isarog or Mayon or Asog or some other mountain is well covered with forests to forestall flooding, then we can do with smaller mountains because then they would be serving a more important purpose than just being there.
(When Sir Edmund Hillary, the first man to reach the summit of Mt. Everest, was asked why he wanted so much to be the first man to conquer the highest mountain on earth, he answered, "Because it's there!")

Heheh... napansin ko kasi ilang beses ko nang nabasa na pinakamataas daw ang Isarog... heheh... I kept wondering why so I searched para matapos na ang confusion sa aking utak... may pagka-number-addict kasi ako... perfectionist pagdating sa mga ganyang bagay...

anyways, i agree na mas important tlga ang reforestation ng isarog... I saw it on tv and I bet it must be more worth visitting than Mayon bcoz of the presence of its waterfalls... Hmmm...

koltuvtbm

October 14th, 2006, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by sinjin
... In December, Landco would complete a P500-million shopping mall in Naga City, Bicol.

This is a huge development at P500 Million, and should not escape any normal eye. But I have not seen any ongoing project of such cost proportion in Naga City that reportedly is soon to be finished 2 months from now. Unless somebody here in this forum shows me where exactly this is happening in NC, this would seem to be a fantastic piece of news! :?

kevinb

October 14th, 2006, 10:40 AM

^^ I'm wondering why the price shrank. Last time I heard is that it would cost arond PhP1B. I'm not sure if it's the mall alone or the whole Landco Business Center.

Sinjin P.

October 14th, 2006, 11:06 AM

^ Well, if it's for the mall alone, it's big enough because SM Lipa at 77,000 square meters is worth P700 million, perhaps Pacific Mall Naga will be at least 55,000 square meters :yes:

kevinb

October 14th, 2006, 11:53 AM

Ah yes. You're right Sinjin.

Landco to build mall in Naga City

Landco Pacific Corporation, the property arm of publicly-traded Metro Pacific Corporation, has earmarked P400 million to P500 million for the construction of a new mall in Naga City, Camarines Sur in joint venture with the Metro Gaisano Group.

More (http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2005/10/31/BSNS2005103148040.html)

aries6210

October 14th, 2006, 03:41 PM

Really, how true? Probably in Dec. Landco will groundbreak the construction of its mall in naga city not to complete its mall since landco has not started yet its construction.

koltuvtbm

October 15th, 2006, 06:14 AM

Dios mabalos for clarifying the issue, Aries! Precisely my question re such a huge construction project reported to be finished in December but which would then seem to be invisible to the naked eye since I have not seen any project of such proportion in NC right now. The only big project ongoing right now is the Naga Coliseum which is presently under Sangguniang Panlungsod scrutiny allegedly because of faulty construction.

bonixx

October 15th, 2006, 04:19 PM

^ Well, if it's for the mall alone, it's big enough because SM Lipa at 77,000 square meters is worth P700 million, perhaps Pacific Mall Naga will be at least 55,000 square meters :yes:

Kaya pala binaha ang SM Lipa kasi medyo maliit ang budget for a huge Mall. Poor Drainage System,SM Lucena Cost 900M Pero 72,000 sq.m lang well cguro komporme sa location how to develope ang cost ng Contruction ng Mall, For Naga mtutuloy din yan Gaisano kasi dito sa Lucena Nagpalabas agad sila ng Masterplanned pero 5 years bgo nasimulan....aheheheh

kevinb

October 16th, 2006, 05:06 AM

Matteo

October 16th, 2006, 08:31 AM

^ yup yup.
back in 1994 the pacific mall lot in legazpi was fenced and stuff with the landco logo painted on it, but it was not opened until 1999-2000, right?

kevinb

October 16th, 2006, 09:57 AM

^^ It was opened in 2001.

Here's from Metro Gaisano:

The METRO Gaisano Legazpi unlocked its doors to shoppers on October 2001. The 20,000 sq m. shopping center is the anchor store of the Pacific Mall.

More (http://www.metrogaisano.com/legazpi.htm)

Grabe! After more or less 5 years, saka lang nagstart ang construction ng PM Legazpi. Now I won't wonder if it takes PM Naga that long. Hehe.

bonixx

October 17th, 2006, 08:11 AM

yeah matutuloy yan ahehehehe. ganyan talaga ang Landco.

Mond87

October 18th, 2006, 09:44 AM

kevinb

October 18th, 2006, 09:45 AM

^^ Ung PM Lucena ba gaano katagal bago nagstart ang construction?

Sinjin P.

October 18th, 2006, 09:48 AM

I read that it is 12 hectares or 120,000 sq. meters... Legazpi's is around 6 hectares or 60,000 sq. meters...

12 hectares including the parking areas

Mond87

October 18th, 2006, 09:48 AM

12 hectares including the parking areas

Yup...

kevinb

October 18th, 2006, 09:51 AM

I read that it is 12 hectares or 120,000 sq. meters... Legazpi's is around 6 hectares or 60,000 sq. meters...

You're referring to the whole Landco Business Park. The mall is just 5.5 hectares or 55, 000 square meters. And Landco Business Park Legazpi is 1.3 hectares or 13, 000 square meters. ;)

Pacific Mall Legazpi (http://landcopacific.com/projects/pmall_legazpi/index2.shtml)

Sinjin P.

October 18th, 2006, 09:58 AM

Yup...

The figure I mentioned is the possible gross floor area of the mall itself :yes:

Mond87

October 18th, 2006, 10:11 AM

You're referring to the whole Landco Business Park. The mall is just 5.5 hectares or 55, 000 square meters. And Landco Business Park Legazpi is 1.3 hectares or 13, 000 square meters. ;)

Pacific Mall Legazpi (http://landcopacific.com/projects/pmall_legazpi/index2.shtml)

How can it be only 1.3 hectares when the whole Gaisano Legazpi is already 2 hectares??? PM Legazpi is 1.3 ha. but the Landco Business Park is around 6 ha.

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sinjin,

ok, i thought you were referring to the whole park... ;)

Mond87

October 18th, 2006, 10:23 AM

^^ Same with Legazpi. Matagal bago nasimulan ang Pacific Mall Legazpi pero matagal na ring nagawa ang master plan. I've already seen the plan for PM Naga. It was also posted in Naga thread 1. I have this thinking that Landco can't start it's groundbreaking this December, but I really hope that it would. I heard over RMN Naga today that Landco already bought 3 hectares of land along the Almeda Highway where PM Naga will be put up.

As for SM, Mayor Robredo said in the same radio interview at RMN Naga that groundbreaking will be next year but no exact date was disclosed. And that SM was already starting to pay rent January this year.

The newspaper where I've read na 12 ha. ung sa Naga was around 2 years ago... Hmmm... bka nagbago sila ng plan... And btw, construction of PM Legazpi started in 2000... and was finished a year later... I never thought that it was actually Gaisano that they were constructing. I thought it was just another silly building then...

Mond87

October 18th, 2006, 10:27 AM

Good luck sa Naga... Whoah, 2 malls in 2 years... Magsasalpukan yang dalawa... Heheh... :)

kevinb

October 18th, 2006, 10:51 AM

^^ Thanks. :D But I believe both malls will survive. ;)

How can it be only 1.3 hectares when the whole Gaisano Legazpi is already 2 hectares??? PM Legazpi is 1.3 ha. but the Landco Business Park is around 6 ha.

Metro Gaisano has a GFA of 2 ha because this includes all 3 floors of the mall. And oops! My bad. The 1.3-ha enclave is only PM Legazpi, not the whole Landco Park. :D But prior to the expansion, PM Legazpi has a GFA of 2.7 hectares. I dunno its exact GFA to date.

Sinjin P.

October 18th, 2006, 10:55 AM

I think magiging grand ang Metro Gaisano Naga :yes: I'll look for renderings of the Metro Gaisano in the flagship store of Metro in Ayala Center Cebu

kevinb

October 18th, 2006, 11:01 AM

^^ I'd love to see those. :D I hope it would really make an impression. Hehe. :colgate:

Mond87

October 18th, 2006, 11:04 AM

^^ Thanks. :D But I believe both malls will survive. ;)

Metro Gaisano has a GFA of 2 ha because this includes all 3 floors of the mall. And oops! My bad. The 1.3-ha enclave is only PM Legazpi, not the whole Landco Park. :D But prior to the expansion, PM Legazpi has a GFA of 2.7 hectares. I dunno its exact GFA to date.

Where did you get this info - 2.7 ha. thingy? I'm a bit confused... w/c is w/c? 1.3 or 2.7?

Thanks, I'm learning a lot about architecture... Im an acctcy student so I really don't know a lot about this stuff. :D

kevinb

October 18th, 2006, 12:05 PM

^^ Ask Sinjin. He knows better about GFA of malls, etc.

As for PM Legazpi, the 1.3 ha thingy is the land area. The 2.7 ha thingy is the Gross Floor Area (GFA) of the whole mall which includes the 1st, 2nd and 3rd floors.

Mond87

October 18th, 2006, 12:57 PM

bonixx

October 18th, 2006, 06:32 PM

^^ Ung PM Lucena ba gaano katagal bago nagstart ang construction?

Pacific mall here in lucena nagstart sya ng land developing year 1999 ripraping and back filling. then 2002 ulit nasimulan ung mall na mismo. and 2003 july soft opening pero as far as i know 1998 may master plan na ang landco, pacific mall itself here is 18,000 sq.m 3 story with adjacent bldg the metro Gaisano 45,000 sq.m 5 story it is occupying 13,600 sq.m of their 53,000 sq.m. lot here , base on the experience sobrang ganda ng mga plano ng landco pero mall lang ang natutuloy sa mga project nila kasi yun lang ang visible ngayon dito sa lucena, kung susundin ang master plan eto ang nakalagay sa master plan nila

1. 6 cinemas - actual 4 cinemas
2.tree lined street and mini parks- actual not existing ang park
3.the Water Front Plaza Hotel - Not Existing
4.and the 8 , three story bldgs. for banks,call center,bars,cafe,leisure park ,central bussines dist not existing.
actually may pic ako dito ng master planned kaso di pa ko marunong mag upload ng photo here i need some help ahehehhe.

kaya big challege sa pm Naga to be sana masunod ang blueprints and master plan .

kevinb

October 18th, 2006, 10:47 PM

^^Kevinb, it seems more complicated than ever...eheh... but i'm going to make some theories based on all the info you have given plus my observations (i visit this mall about twice or thrice a week):

1. the 2.7 GFA must be the measurement b4. I don't think it is still true up to now coz PM now have a 4th floor plus an extension...

2. the 20,000 square meters might refer to Gaisano's land area and NOT the GFA. Coz if it is the GFA, then PM's must be smaller coz Gai have 4 floors and at the same time, have a larger land area (I've seen the map about once or twice)...

3. With the 1.3 ha-land area of PM, through estimations, and my readings of Inquirer, I think the land area of Landco Bus. Park Legazpi is really 6 hectares. I can still clearly remember that the article stated that the "12-ha" Landco Bus. Park that was planned to be set-up in Naga would've been twice as large as the Landco in Legazpi.

*These are only my theories, though...

Reactions: :D

1. It really is PM Legazpi's size before. From this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=334591), it is said that from 2.7 ha, it was expanded to 3.8 ha in GFA.

2. No, Metro Gaisano should have a GFA of 2 ha because if it's the land area, then Metro Gaisano should be bigger than the whole PM. ;)

3. Uhm. Maybe you're right about the Landco Business Park Legazpi's 6-ha land area. And I've been there lotsa times, I could say that it could really be around 6 has. :)

Pacific mall here in lucena nagstart sya ng land developing year 1999 ripraping and back filling. then 2002 ulit nasimulan ung mall na mismo. and 2003 july soft opening pero as far as i know 1998 may master plan na ang landco, pacific mall itself here is 18,000 sq.m 3 story with adjacent bldg the metro Gaisano 45,000 sq.m 5 story it is occupying 13,600 sq.m of their 53,000 sq.m. lot here , base on the experience sobrang ganda ng mga plano ng landco pero mall lang ang natutuloy sa mga project nila kasi yun lang ang visible ngayon dito sa lucena, kung susundin ang master plan eto ang nakalagay sa master plan nila

1. 6 cinemas - actual 4 cinemas
2.tree lined street and mini parks- actual not existing ang park
3.the Water Front Plaza Hotel - Not Existing
4.and the 8 , three story bldgs. for banks,call center,bars,cafe,leisure park ,central bussines dist not existing.
actually may pic ako dito ng master planned kaso di pa ko marunong mag upload ng photo here i need some help ahehehhe.

kaya big challege sa pm Naga to be sana masunod ang blueprints and master plan .

Actually, all three (PM Legazpi, Lucena and Naga) has those supposed amenities. But as of now, only PM Legazpi has had some extra buildings around for other purposes. Mabenta kasi Landco sa kanila. I think iniisa-isa muna ng Landco kung alin dapat ang unahin. Maybe PM Lucena is waiting for the right time to set up those other edifices 'coz I've read that PM Lucena is going down to SM. I hope it isn't true.

kevinb

October 18th, 2006, 11:35 PM

Naga, Iriga top Bicol ‘05 student achievement test

NAGA and Iriga students in public high school and elementary level, respectively, are on top of the heap compared to their counterparts in other provinces and cities in Bicol in terms of academic competence.

Based on the results of the 2005 National Achievement Test for high school students which Bicol Mail obtained this week, Naga City ranked first with an average total score of 54.56% where the national average is 46.80%.

Only three of the 13 school divisions passed above the national average. Catanduanes took the second rank with 52.73% total average score, while Sorsogon City closely placed third with a score of 52.05%.

At the lowest end of the ranking are high school students from Ligao City (13th) with a failing score of 37.16% and Camarines Sur (12th) with a low score of 38.30%.

The students were tested of their competencies in English, Science and Math.

Naga City HS students fared best in English (60.61%), a little better in Math ((58.79%) and good in Science (44.28%).

Comparatively, Camarines Sur high school students fared poorest in Science (31.98%); poorer in Math (40.11%); and relatively poor in English (42.82%).
Elementary level

In the public elementary school level where the national average is 58.73%, only four of the 13 school divisions in Bicol are over the hump.
Iriga with an impressive total score of 68.43% topped the exams for Grade VI pupils.

Naga pupils came second with total average score of 60.10%, while Catanduanes with a score of 59.92% came third. Close on fourth rank is Camarines Norte with an average total score of 59.34%.

Sorsogon placed fifth at 55.71%, which is about 3% short of the national average.

Ranked in the bottom (13th) is Ligao City with a dismal score of 42.25% while Legazpi City got 47.25% on the 12th rank.
Like their high school counterpart, the elementary school pupils were tested of their competencies in English, Science and Math.

Source (http://www.naga.gov.ph)

bonixx

October 19th, 2006, 10:36 AM

cguro down sa SM ang PM pero sa pag obserba ko magkaiba ang market nila dito first two years crisis ang CBD ng lucena but now masigla na ulit and ang mga malls naman nakakasurvive na actually two malls are set to open around 2010, nagstart n yung isa sa tapat ng lucena grand terminal. wow PM legazpi
pla may other building na around BP good sign yan.

Sinjin P.

October 19th, 2006, 11:36 AM

bonixx

October 19th, 2006, 11:48 AM

Down ang PM Lucena sa SM Lucena but certainly down ang SM Department Store and Supermarket Lucena sa Metro Gaisano Department Store and Supermarket Lucena, nabasa ko kasi :yes:

Anyway, bonixx, this thread will help you on uploading photos: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=387099

hmmmmm. cguro pero di naman kulelat ang SM dept store dito compare sa SM CDO ,SM Bats.,SM Bicutan SM Sucat, Etc.,,Impression ni Manong dito sa SM Lucena 'Slowly but Surely',Nababasa ko kasi ang sales per person ng SM.

Thank U Jhealnis!!! salamat may naawa din ahehehe

bobbymay74

October 19th, 2006, 02:37 PM

Review International Airport Project

Wednesday October 18, 2006
NAGA CITY – Expressing apprehension that huge amount of taxpayers’ money would go to waste, topnotch city councilor John G. Bongat called on his colleagues to come out with a resolution urging the Regional Development Council to take a second look on the planned Bicol International Airport, which he said may not actually address the more urgent economic needs of the Bicol Region.

In a privilege speech delivered during last Monday’s session, Bongat said the RDC, which incidentally is chaired by Camarines Sur Gov. LRay Villafuerte should instead reconsider its position and conduct a regionwide public consultation to determine Bicol’s priority projects.
He wanted the RDC to look into these more urgent areas: of a) infrastructure; b) tourism; c) agriculture-industrialization; d) improvement of existing airports in Naga, Legazpi, Virac and Masbate; e) strengthening of major economic centers like Naga on the northern part of Bicol and Legazpi which is part of southern Bicol, and; f) strengthening of livelihood programs in the region.
“In other words, the P1 billion or so pesos that will be spent for only one gigantic project can be used wisely to benefit all the six provinces of the Bicol Region,” the Naga city councilor said.

Bongat explained that Bicol is not yet ready for an international airport. He said the present volume of tourist arrivals or air traffic in the region is not sufficient to justify the establishment of an international airport.
Secondly, he said, the region has underdeveloped tourist facilities and infrastructure “that should be developed first before training our sights on more ambitious projects like an international airport.”
Because of low traffic, the proposed international airport that would gobble up huge amount of government money may end up as an oversized domestic airport that could deprive Naga, Camarines Sur and Camarines Norte of an accessible transport facility, he said.
Buttressing his argument, Bongat took the case of the Laoag international airport in Ilocos which turned out to be a white elephant as it could only muster two to three flights a week from Taiwan.

Prescribing that the money should better be spent for projects that will lay the foundation for speedy development of the region, which desperately lags as the third poorest of the country’s 17 regions, he said: “The unfinished Pantao International Port which is fast turning into a white elephant should serve as an example.”

And then he rued on the fact that the government poured in a lot of money for Pantao’s construction instead of appropriating the same to develop existing facilities in various ports that are serving their purpose in different points of the region.

kevinb

October 20th, 2006, 03:37 AM

Bicol police asked to prepare augmentation force for Makati

NAGA CITY. The Bicol Regional Police Office in Legazpi City has alerted police units in the region to prepare an augmentation force for deployment in Metro Manila in anticipation of possible rallies in connection with the suspension of Makati Mayor Jejomar Binay.

Senior Superintendent Romeo Mapalo, Camarines Sur provincial police director said that the alert was similar to orders issued in the past when police in Manila felt they needed reinforcements in light of planned massive anti-government demonstrations.

Chief Superintendent Victor Boco, Bicol regional police director, confirmed that he had placed on standby an augmentation force in case the national police leadership would ask for their assistance.

“We are to send 36 newly assigned police officers in the province and we are waiting for the regional police office to send us the vehicles. The expenses of this kind of operation, including honoraria of police forces deployed in Metro Manila, are shouldered by Camp Crame,” Mapalo said.

Without citing figures, the police director said the number of newly assigned police officers who graduated recently from the basic training was “malaki” (big) and they were already deployed to the six provinces in Bicol.

When asked if there were already threats of big rallies in support of Binay, Mapalo said there might have already been indications, that was why the communication for the police regional command.

He said last year the Camarines Sur Provincial Police Office was among the police units that sent forces to Metro Manila at the height of the impeachment fever last year.

Source (http://www.theboholchronicle.com/jbefore.php?issue=197&s1=2609&s2=&s3=&s4=%09%09%09%09%09%09%09&s5=2613&s6=735&s7=2614&s9=&s10=)

Mond87

October 20th, 2006, 12:51 PM

Mond87

October 20th, 2006, 01:07 PM

^^ Plus, Albay is closer to all parts of the region than to any other part of Bicol. Catanduanons ride ferries taking them to Tabaco (w/c is around 30 kms away from the IA site). Masbatenyos, on the other hand, anchor at Pilar, Sorsogon, a town that is also around 30 kms from the site.

And lastly, the present airports in Naga and Legazpi are said to be the two most dangerous airports in Luzon...

Mond87

October 20th, 2006, 01:09 PM

bobbymay74

October 20th, 2006, 04:00 PM

Naga, most business-friendly city winner for the 4th time

Wednesday October 18, 2006
NAGA CITY – For the fourth straight year, this city was again adjudged as the “Most Business-Friendly City in South Luzon (area winner) and the Philippines (national winner)” by the Philippine Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

Naga City Mayor Jesse M. Robredo, along with Rueul Oliver, executive director of the Naga City Investment Board, and top officers of multi-awarded Metro Naga Chamber of Commerce and Industry (MNCCI) will receive the award on Friday morning, Oct. 20, at the Manila Hotel with guest of honor, Her Excellency Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, to confer the awards for the national winners.

The city received the same honor in 2003, 2004 and 2005 after thorough and deep evaluation by a board of judges composed of the nation’s top business leaders and advisers.

The annual search for the most business-friendly LGUs and business chambers nationwide is one of the highlights of the annual Philippine Business Conference (PBC) which is traditionally held in Manila.

Atty. Miguel B. Varela, chair of this year’s 32nd PBC awards committee said conferment for the area winners and special citations will be held separately a day earlier, during the gala dinner on Oct. 19, also at the Manila Hotel, with Vice-Pres. Noli de Castro as guest of honor and to confer the awards.

Matteo

October 20th, 2006, 04:01 PM

what up Naga!
hey post naman kayo ng pics ng magsaysay strip

bobbymay74

October 20th, 2006, 04:04 PM

drfeelgood17

October 21st, 2006, 01:43 AM

Warm applause to the Heart of Bicolandia!!

kevinb

October 21st, 2006, 05:00 AM

^^ Thanks Doc. :colgate: I'm so happy Naga won the awards again. Plus the award from the UN Devt Program. I really am proud to be a Nagueño. :D

what up Naga!
hey post naman kayo ng pics ng magsaysay strip

I'm gonna post some pics, but I'm not sure of Magsaysay. Maybe I'll post some. Avenue Square and some bars I think. Hehe.

@Mond: I just dunno. Yes, Legazpi, Sorsogon, and Naga are the main tourist destinations in our region. But I really do think that our beloved region isn't ready for a very grand IA. Yes, there are foreign tourists coming in our region but domestic tourists still dominates the scene. I'm not being pessimistic to the idea that Bicol could be a major tourist destination in our country, but it still isn't ready at the moment. Just look at our infrastructure. To many to start with first. Maybe Region VI could have the IA first, not Region V.

kevinb

October 21st, 2006, 05:33 PM

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/kevinb_3410/g7.gif

THE G7BANK, Bicol’s top rural bank and one of the country’s most admired, is the recipient of three major awards: Most Outstanding Rural Bank for CY 2005 3rd Place - National, Most Outstanding Rural Bank for CY 2005-Region 5, Best CFI Intermediary for CY 2005 bestowed by the Land Bank of the Philippines during the Recognition of LandBank-Assisted Countryside Financial Institutions held at the Diosdado Macapagal Hall, LandBank Plaza, Malate, Manila last 27 September 2006. The awards rites’ Guest of Honor, Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas Governor Amando M. Tetangco Jr., presented the three awards to G7 Bank. In photo are Finance Secretary & LandBank Chairman Gary B. Teves, G7Bank Chairman & Pres. Fidel L. Cu, LandBank Acting President Gilda E. Pico, LandBank Naga Manager Joy B. Regulacion and G7Bank & LandBank Officers.

kevinb

October 21st, 2006, 05:36 PM

NAGA CITY – With its gallery of fame already full, Naga City has to look for more space to keep for posterity the latest glass trophy that it received from the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) and the Galing Pook Foundation for its successful local capacity innovations in pursuit of the UN’s Millennium Development Goals (MDGs).

Naga City is one of the 10 LGU awardees nationwide that have been cited for their laudable initial implementation and innovations on the global and national efforts to alleviate the plight of the world’s poorest of the poor.

There were two provinces (Bulacan, Oriental Mindoro), four municipalities (Capoocan in Leyte, Concepcion, Maitum, and Malalag) and four cities (Naga, Muñoz, Pasay, and Zamboanga) which have been qualified for the awards.

They were judged according to the following criteria: extent of MDG accomplishments, promotion of people empowerment, transferability and sustainability of programs, and efficiency of program service delivery.

Naga City Vice Mayor Gabriel H. Bordado received the award for Naga during ceremonies held in Marikina City last Monday, Oct. 16.

The Millennium Development Goals consist of a set of global targets espoused by the United Nations to address poverty, education, gender, health and nutrition, diseases including HIV/AIDS, and environment issues through partnership promotion and advocacy by 2015.

In September 2000, member-states of the United Nations, including the Philippines, committed to work together to free the entire human race from want by 1015.

In the citation, UN resident coordinator Nileema K. Noble honored Naga City “for continually demonstrating, expanding and institutionalizing capacity development approaches and innovation that effectively contribute to the attainment of Millennium Development Goals (MDGs).”

The citation further stated: “The efforts of the local government represent varying modalities, strides, and achievement of the MDG localization in the Philippines.”

In its journal, the UN Development Program admitted that “even way before the MDGs were set, the local government of Naga City had already been implementing programs aimed not only at alleviating poverty but also in protecting and empowering its individuals and commitments.”

Still, the UNDP journal highlighted: “It is because of these programs that Naga City now holds the distinction of being one of the most innovative, awarded and recognized local government units in the country and abroad.”

The latest award is the 141st the city received since 1988. The 142nd and 143rd will come on Friday when the city receives the Most Business-Friendly Award for South Luzon (area winner) and for the Philippines (national winner) on Thursday, Oct. 19, and Friday, Oct. 20, during ceremonies to be held at the Manila Hotel.

Source (http://www.bicolmail.com)

bonixx

October 21st, 2006, 07:05 PM

:cheers2: congratulations!! i can say N.C. is Hot ahehehe.

kevinb

October 21st, 2006, 07:26 PM

^^ Naga is hot. :colgate:

bonixx

October 21st, 2006, 07:28 PM

how r U utol Kevin? ahehehe yeah Naga is Hot!!!

kevinb

October 21st, 2006, 07:41 PM

I'm fine emerson. :) Medyo malungkot dahil made-delay ng konti ang pagtapos sa coliseum. Hehe. Si Milenyo kasi eh. Hehehe. :colgate:

bonixx

October 21st, 2006, 07:49 PM

I'm fine emerson. :) Medyo malungkot dahil made-delay ng konti ang pagtapos sa coliseum. Hehe. Si Milenyo kasi eh. Hehehe. :colgate:

wow u mean may tinatayong coliseum jan sa Naga? baka pwede i post mo pic ng u/c na coliseum jn ,malaki ba? involve ka b sa project? mbuti naman sana nga wala na bagyo pumasok ngaun year n ito

kevinb

October 21st, 2006, 08:05 PM

^^ Meron. 12, 000 ang seating capacity nya. Pero hindi ako involved. Hehe. I'll try to post some pics. ;)

bonixx

October 21st, 2006, 08:14 PM

^^ Meron. 12, 000 ang seating capacity nya. Pero hindi ako involved. Hehe. I'll try to post some pics. ;)

Aba malaking coloseum yan much bigger than Quezon Convention Center here 10,000 lang seating capacity ng andito. cool sana matapos na yan i think yan na ang pnakamalaki in Bicol nakita ko na rin kasi yung nasa Legazpi its a lil bit small.

kevinb

October 21st, 2006, 08:22 PM

^^ I can't comment on that. Hindi ko alam ang seating capacity ng Albay Astrodome and ICR eh. But I think ICR is also big. :)

bonixx

October 21st, 2006, 08:31 PM

^^ I can't comment on that. Hindi ko alam ang seating capacity ng Albay Astrodome and ICR eh. But I think ICR is also big. :)

ah ic Dalawa pala ang coloseum ng Legazpi. ahehehe opinyon ko lang naman yun cguro nga kasi labas lang ang nakita ko.

koltuvtbm

October 22nd, 2006, 09:25 AM

I've been away from our forum for quite some time for business reasons so here I am again and will submit my views on quite a few of the very interesting topics I just read.
@bonixx & kevinb Friends, Naga is not only hot, but indeed very hot.
@bobbymay74 You are right, Naga is already a hall-of-famer having received the PCCI award for the 4th straight year. And having done so in such fashion (achieve the prestigious PCCI award for the 4th straight year) over albeit other progressive areas in Bicol is certainly a mean feat by any standard.
@bonixx & Jhaelnis My wife is also from Lucena. Their family owns among the big supermkt businesses along Quezon Ave.. When SM (& PM) came into the local business scene, no doubt the entire CBD suffered, particularly dept. stores and supermkts, which obviously are into SM's and PM's anchor businesses.
For example, the happy place that Ocean Palace Mall once was is now just a foreclosed piece of real estate, a direct victim of the SM/ PM onslaught. And so too would be the other supermkts in LC be "downed", soon if the local economy does not rebound early enough.
The unfortunate thing is that the "downers" (SM/PM) are slowly getting downed themselve, too, by the economic slowdown and subsequent low purchasing power. For example, lots of business spaces at SM & PM Lucena are now vacant (only homegrown Buddy's seem to be surviving), clear evidence that the SM/ PM businesses are not exactly rosy.
If you are talking na down ang SM Supermarket & Dept. Store and PM has the upperhand, etc., whatever, believe you me it still is not a good sign, whether it's SM or PM or both. What will be a boon to the local economy is when both SM and PM and all the rest of the players in the local economy are both up and about, enjoying brisk business everyday.

koltuvtbm

October 22nd, 2006, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by kevinb
THE G7BANK, Bicol’s top rural bank and one of the country’s most admired, is the recipient of three major awards: Most Outstanding Rural Bank for CY 2005 3rd Place - National, Most Outstanding Rural Bank for CY 2005-Region 5, Best CFI Intermediary for CY 2005

G7Bank (with 7 branches, kaya G7) is another homegrown business that made its mark in Naga City. I read somewhere it is now the second largest rural bank in RP, which should be another source of pride for us Bicolanos.
G7Bank is certainly a stable bank. I was told by one of its top officials that it plans to upgrade into a thrift or savings bank around next year.
It would be most welcome if G7Bank's loan rates are a little lower and friendlier to its constituents who are mostly small businessmen and farmers.
Congratulations!

koltuvtbm

October 22nd, 2006, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Mond87
. . . Plus, the funds being used here is from the National Government, and not from LGUs anyway. I think putting up an international airport will further boost tourism in the region and will promote us internationally.

Furthermore, the amount of money to be appropriated for this IA is 3.44-Billion pesos. But this is a lot lower than the funds to be used in new airports in Iloilo, Sipalay and Clark (?) w/c will all cost 6-8 Billion pesos.

Whether the funds come from the National Gov't. or from the LGU's should not prevailing argument. They still come from taxpayer's money!!!
As a dutiful but increasingly becoming very disappointed taxpayer myself paying a not-insubstantial amount yearly, I agree with City Kagawad Atty. Bongat (more like him kuta') that such a monstrous amount of money would be better spent in several government projects than in just this IA alone which for all intents and purposes appears to be so farshot enough to be irrelevant at the present time since prerequisite infrastructures are still not in place, not to mention the viable number of tourist arrivals that should support a government project of such gigantic cost proportions.
Our politicos should be pro-people, stop grandstanding, and should come out with projects that give better positive economic mass-based trickle-down effect upon our poor kababayans majority of whom can barely eke out a living.
Let me invite your attention again to the very expensive Cam. Sur Watersports Complex (CSWC). Sure we became famous as the site of 1 of only 2 provinces in RP with such facilities. Dawa NCR mayo' kayan bah!
But think again --- just how many do think of our poor kababayans could have gained more from the benefit of a more relevant government project? How many Bicolanos ang nakapag-swimming or nagkapag-waterski na dyan?
Magduman kamo tabi sa Pantao up to Maramba and so on up to the last town thereat, maheherak kamo sa mga kababayan ta duman & sa auto nindo bcoz of the rotten roads. Yet this congressman put his white elephant of an international port project there in Pantao!
Would it surprise you he reportedly earlier bought a 1-hectare beachfront property nearby? Woe to you, now he is pushing for an international airport!!!
P1.5 Billion pesos can undeniably do a lot of things, if placed in several projects. 3rd to the poorest region na ngani kita, magastuson & sarala' pa an ginagastusan ta!
Mind you, P1.5 Billion is bigger than the deposit base of any single bank in Legaspi and most in Naga (excluding BSP-Naga & 3 other bank branches). How much more 3.44 Billion pesos?!

@bobbymay74 Dios mabalos for your piece.

Mond87

October 22nd, 2006, 01:42 PM

^^First of, I want to congratulate Naga for being awarded another meritorious award. It has been such an honor to all those Naguenyos out there...

Secondly, why are Naguenyos so upset about the new IA when it's not even planned to be constructed anywhere near your area? I'm a bit psyched about this stuff because at least those taxpayers' money are going somewhere...

Thirdly, did you know that that IA has been desired to be put up since a decade ago??? Well there were locations that have been scanned and tested whether those locations are desirable for an IA. Those locations were Daraga, Legazpi, Ligao and somewhere in Camarines Sur. The experts have chosen Daraga as the future site b/coz the location has had the least variations in wind directions, w/c would be favorable for aircraft landing.

Fourthly, like what I've said, the Pantao International Port will REALLY TURN INTO A WHITE ELEPHANT b/coz of its undesirable location. Hello??? Why would you put a new international port there when there were already existing ports in Pasacao, Pilar, Bulan and Matnog, all of w/c are on the western coast of Bicol??? The only international port we have is in Tabaco b/coz that one is facing the Pacific Ocean, enabling Japanese ferries to anchor easily. On the other hand, if those Japanese ferries are to enter via Pantao, it has to traverse Albay Gulf, San Bernardino Strait, Ticao and Burias Passes, all of w/c are not needed anymore to traverse w/ if you are to visit Tabaco's Port. On the other hand, this new IA will be very strategic, as I've said earlier, this is located at the closest point to almost anywhere in the region. It is even located along the national highway. That is why Daraga town is so clogged w/ traffic, b/coz it really is the center of all Bicolano travelers. One from Sorsogon cannot reach Naga w/out having to deal w/ Daraga and vice versa.

Fifthly, yes Region VI can have its first ever IA before us but hello??? How far is region VI from us??? Very far, we don't even have direct connections w/ them. Do you see any direct flights from Bicol to Iloilo or to Bacolod? Nil.

Sixthly, I hope that Kagawad of yours would stop to bar this plans of creating an IA here to replace the current airport in Legazpi. Gosh, it has been planned since 10 years ago because there really is a need to do so. That kagawad of yours can easily say that b/coz he obviously doesn't know the background of the story.

And lastly, this project will actually not impair the livelihood of Bicolanos. in fact, it will even be of help. Why? Because according to John Maynard Keynes, the heroic Economist of the Great Depression of 1930s, GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURES GIVE LOCALES DISPOSABLE INCOME THAT IS NEEDED FOR THEIR DAILY LIVING. Imagine that this construction of the airport will provide construction fees to laborers. thus, this will add income to Bicolanos. it won't impair, it will SUPPORT.

Mond87

October 22nd, 2006, 01:46 PM

^^ I hope you guys understand my piece... While I support the construction of two malls in Naga. i think we should also support the construction of this upcoming airport...

koltuvtbm

October 22nd, 2006, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Mond87
. . .Secondly, why are Naguenyos so upset about the new IA when it's not even planned to be constructed anywhere near your area? I'm a bit psyched about this stuff because at least those taxpayers' money are going somewhere...

Thirdly, did you know that that IA has been desired to be put up since a decade ago???

. . .While I support the construction of two malls in Naga. i think we should also support the construction of this upcoming airport...

You see, I think Nagueños dont care whether that IA is going to built in Legaspi, Naga, Daraga, or even in your backyard. I don't even think they care whether such a project was thought about yesterday, decades ago, or 100 years ago.
Nagueños are so confident and self-assured being in the most progressive city this side of the country to care about trivial matters as the site of this outlandish IA. For Naga City will continue to prosper simply because of the sense of leadership of the Nagueños everywhere, whether in politics, business and employment, religion, or the academe.
What I think Nagueños care deeply about is getting a fair deal and intelligent use of what they have paid for, such as taxpayers' money. And they are so intelligently vocal about it as exemplified by Atty. John Bongat.
They care that the tax they paid and all taxpayers' money goes, not just "somewhere" as to this IA, but to worthwhile gov't. projects that would benefit the great majority.
Read closely pls. for that was exactly what I meant --- relevance or the lack of it. I don't see any present-day relevance in this IA project, and so does John Bongat. The way it was thought about, it will end up another white elephant like the Pantao International Port, as you admitted. These 2 projects are just ahead of their time and relevance.
And may I beg your indulgence, but I think the intelligent idea should be to support any relevant project discussed in this forum and not just because somebody supported 2 or 100 malls to be constructed in Naga. Mind you, this is no laughable horse-trading stuff, it's as serious as taxpayers' money.

bonixx

October 22nd, 2006, 07:08 PM

kevinb

October 23rd, 2006, 03:35 AM

Fifthly, yes Region VI can have its first ever IA before us but hello??? How far is region VI from us??? Very far, we don't even have direct connections w/ them. Do you see any direct flights from Bicol to Iloilo or to Bacolod?

I'm not speaking about the proximity of region 6 to region 5. What I'm trying to tell everyone is the potential of such area. We all know that Bicol has unknown hideaways. But those are still unknown tomost tourist, unlike in the Western Visayas region that it is already topping the lists of domestic and foreign tourists alike especially the island of Boracay.

And about the flights from region 6 to region 5, yes, there is none. That is one major reason to ponder on because Bicol isn't really a famous destination to date. And that's also one of my paradigms that's why I don't wholly support the said IA.

^^ I hope you guys understand my piece... While I support the construction of two malls in Naga. i think we should also support the construction of this upcoming airport...

I know that you support the two malls that will be built in our place, and I'm grateful for that. :) But please, let's not think of this as anything personal. That is your opinion about the upcoming SM and PM Naga, and this is our opinion about the upcoming IA. Let's respect each others opinions and keep a healthy discussion in this thread. ;) Thanks. :)

gurugeri

October 23rd, 2006, 04:15 AM

Yes, nothing personal. Hehe! But I was wondering if there would be the same reactions if the airport were (Or I would like to use the indicative is) to be built in Masbate. Hehehe! I honestly hope the city dads go this site so they would know our side on the whole thing.

kevinb

October 23rd, 2006, 10:11 AM

^^ Yes, Sir Jerry. Uhm. How did you have the idea that the IA could be built in Masbate? Is there a basis of that or just a wishful-thinking? :colgate:

bonixx

October 23rd, 2006, 10:54 AM

^^ Yes, Sir Jerry. Uhm. How did you have the idea that the IA could be built in Masbate? Is there a basis of that or just a wishful-thinking? :colgate:

i wish every island provinces and inland provinces have an IA.aheheheheh
sana mapantayan natin ang Japan ....

kevinb

October 23rd, 2006, 10:58 AM

^^ Wish ko lang. Hehe. Malay mo matupad ung sabi ni GMA na magiging first world tayo in 2020. :D

bobbymay74

October 23rd, 2006, 11:46 AM

le Reine

October 23rd, 2006, 01:28 PM

Nyek, akala ko mas ppor ang Camarines Norte. Camrines Sur pala. Tama ba ito sa tingin niyo mga taga-CamSur?

bobbymay74

October 23rd, 2006, 02:08 PM

I just like to make it clear again, that Naga City is not the capital of Camarines Sur. Naga City is independent city (Chartered City). We are not part of the Socio-Political/ Socio-Economic system of the Province of Camarines Sur.

nikki_18

October 23rd, 2006, 02:36 PM

hi guyzzz...

congratulate nman nyo ako..kakatapos lng ng capping ko last monday...first ever capping ceremony un ng adenu nursing...heheheeheh!!!

xa nga pla post ko lng d2 pics ng pinaka bagong bldg s ateneo...

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/marlon_ld/100_0503.jpg
Yan ang madrigal bldg s ateneo..

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g70/marlon_ld/100_05042.jpg
ito nman ang coco cafe...ganda ng place at sarap ng mga foods nd coffee...really a great place to chill nd relax..

bonixx

October 23rd, 2006, 03:33 PM

^^ Wish ko lang. Hehe. Malay mo matupad ung sabi ni GMA na magiging first world tayo in 2020. :D

hmmm. sa bagay walang impossible basta ba porsigido ang gobyerno. wow Naga city is bicols richest city

Matteo

October 23rd, 2006, 05:56 PM

Nikki, congratulations!
Post some photos of your capping.
We'd love t see them.

:okay:

nikki_18

October 23rd, 2006, 10:46 PM

really??

ok ill try to post some

koltuvtbm

October 24th, 2006, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by bobbymay74
. . .In terms of income per capita, or the ratio of the local government income to its total population, Camarines Sur has the lowest at P401.67 (as compared to Naga’s P2,122.88), with Albay having the second lowest at P467.18 (as compared to Legazpi City’s P1,890.74).

Originally posted by bonixx
wow Naga city is bicols richest city
Gentlemen, friends, you may ask what made the difference here.
May I say the kind of leadership each political unit had. It was a apparent case of Naga City's luck and Cam. Sur's misfortune
For 20 years straight, Naga City and Camarines Sur both had the same political leaders on top of each of them --- Robredo for Naga, and Villafuerte for Cam. Sur.
Both Robredo and Villafuerte are well-known, each coming from affluent families. But while Naga City had a benevolent, self-effacing, hard-working, pro-people kind of political leadership, Camarines Sur had the opposite, a traditional politician with a foul mouth.
Therein therefore lay one very big difference why Naga City is, as bonixx wrote, Bicol's richest city, and why Camarines Sur lagged behind despite 20 long, long years of Villafuerte's governance.
One would be so blind and an incorrigible liar to deny and not see the evidence of continuing progress everywhere in Naga, while noting the lack of positive economic change everywhere in Cam. Sur.

koltuvtbm

October 24th, 2006, 04:41 AM

Originally posted by nikki_18
congratulate nman nyo ako..kakatapos lng ng capping ko last monday...first ever capping ceremony un ng adenu nursing...

Congratulations, nikki_18!
As a parent myself, am sure you warmed the heart of your own parents and made them proud. Keep it up! :applause:

Btw, those are beautiful pics of ADNU. That shot of Coko Cafe sign with a curious boy in the foreground is a study in itself.
Keep those pics coming pls..

Mond87

October 24th, 2006, 05:38 AM

You see, I think Nagueños dont care whether that IA is going to built in Legaspi, Naga, Daraga, or even in your backyard. I don't even think they care whether such a project was thought about yesterday, decades ago, or 100 years ago.
Nagueños are so confident and self-assured being in the most progressive city this side of the country to care about trivial matters as the site of this outlandish IA. For Naga City will continue to prosper simply because of the sense of leadership of the Nagueños everywhere, whether in politics, business and employment, religion, or the academe.
What I think Nagueños care deeply about is getting a fair deal and intelligent use of what they have paid for, such as taxpayers' money. And they are so intelligently vocal about it as exemplified by Atty. John Bongat.
They care that the tax they paid and all taxpayers' money goes, not just "somewhere" as to this IA, but to worthwhile gov't. projects that would benefit the great majority.
Read closely pls. for that was exactly what I meant --- relevance or the lack of it. I don't see any present-day relevance in this IA project, and so does John Bongat. The way it was thought about, it will end up another white elephant like the Pantao International Port, as you admitted. These 2 projects are just ahead of their time and relevance.
And may I beg your indulgence, but I think the intelligent idea should be to support any relevant project discussed in this forum and not just because somebody supported 2 or 100 malls to be constructed in Naga. Mind you, this is no laughable horse-trading stuff, it's as serious as taxpayers' money.

I don't see why I still have to debate about this discourse if everybody else doesn't seem to understand my piece???

The thing is, it doesn't have anything to do with Naga and its folks... It is something to do with all bicolanos. This is the first of its kind in Bicol and such opportunities would've been taken for granted if it will be stopped from happenning. Why I say this is because there's lack of NATIONAL government funds being outpoured unto Bicolanos that would support us as a whole. Look at other regions, especially in Visayas, where there are so many other projects worth billions in the upcoming years will be constructed in their region... Now, we only have the construction of an IA plus the Bicol River Basin as improvements in the coming years and we are stopping the former from happening??? Hello...

As for kevin's response, you may be right about what you've said... but as i've stated earlier, the IA WILL REPLACE the current airport in Legazpi. So, whether there will be many tourists or not, still that "IA" will be operational as it will serve those who are currently using the current airport that Legazpi have.

Mond87

October 24th, 2006, 05:54 AM

Bicol Mail issued

Poverty widespread in Bicol
CSur has most number of poor,
nat’l statistics board study shows
By JOSE B. PEREZ
Editor

EXCEPT for Naga City, poverty incidence in Bicol is widespread and, worse, there is little sign that local leaders, especially those from the provincial government, are doing something to reverse the trend.

A little known newly circulated study by the National Statistics Coordination Board (NCSB) titled “Estimation of Local Poverty in the Philippines” shows why Bicol is the third poorest region in the country, with only Camarines Norte (ranked 45th) faring better outside of the top 40 poorest provinces.

Bicol is only better than SOCCSKSARGEN and ARMM. Both the latter regions are found in Mindanao, which leaves Bicol as the poorest region in Luzon and the Visayas.

Masbate was ranked third poorest among the 79 provinces in the Philippines.

Also included in the dubious Top 40 (poorest) list are Sorsogon (22nd); Albay (29th); Camarines Sur (31st), and; Catanduanes (39th).

Among the cities and capital towns, Naga City recorded the lowest poverty incidence at 18.91%, affirming the effectiveness of its pro-poor programs and placing it among the most economically stable LGUs in the country.

The next best performers are Daet (23.95%), Virac (27.56%, Sorsogon City (28.41%) and Iriga (29.87%).

Poverty incidence is defined as the proportion of households with average per capita income below the poverty line.

Camarines Sur’s poverty incidence of 47.41% translates to 136,104 households below the poverty line, the biggest in the region.

Taken together, Camarines Sur and Albay account for 55% of the total number of households in the region; consequently, one of every two households below poverty line is found in these two provinces.

From a total of 470,823 households in Bicol that are poor, only 4,977 of these are found in Naga City, while comparatively 10,368 households, or twice as high, can be found in Legazpi City.

Pili, the capital town of Camarines Sur, has a poverty incidence of 38.01% which is slightly better than the poverty incidence in Masbate City (41.18%).

In terms of income per capita, or the ratio of the local government income to its total population, Camarines Sur has the lowest at P401.67 (as compared to Naga’s P2,122.88), with Albay having the second lowest at P467.18 (as compared to Legazpi City’s P1,890.74).

Based on the NSCB study, it has been noted that the three Bicol cities of Naga, Sorsogon and Iriga, which have joined the Public Governance System (PGS) initiative of the Institute for Solidarity in Asia (ISA), are the best performing cities in the region.

The Philippines Free Press, in the editorial on its issue last week, has ranked Naga City among the elite cities with their success stories on effective local governance. The other cities the news magazine has cited for their commendable performance in sustainable development are Lipa City, San Carlos City, General Santos City, Cebu City, and Quezon City.

I'm not convinced that Naga is bicol's richest city... Because if you multiply their income per capita by total population, here it goes:

Naga (2,122.88 * 137,000+) = 290,834,560+
Legazpi (1,890.74 * 157,000+) = 296,846,180+

Population figures are based on 2000 Census, the totals would've been greater now. And based on statistics, Albay had a higher population growth rate than Camarines Sur.

You just can't tell another city to be reacher than another, there are so many aspects to be considered. As for income per capita, Naguenyos are richer than Legazpenyos. But in totals, the whole Legazpi is richer than the whole Naga. And this is primarily because of the former's land area and population.

As for the provincial statistics, the provinces of Albay and Camarines Sur have the lowest income per capita due to, again, population. The two provinces are the most populated in the region. Thus, it is understandable that they have the lowest income per capita. If, again, you multiply the income per capita by the total population, I'm pretty sure that Camarines Sur will have the highest and I think, Catanduanes will have the lowest...

Plus, this is based on the GRP, or Gross Regional Product. If it is the poverty threshold that is to be considered, Camarines norte have more poor families than Camarines Sur and Masbate had the most.

Mond87

October 24th, 2006, 05:56 AM

Mond87

October 24th, 2006, 06:17 AM

I know that you support the two malls that will be built in our place, and I'm grateful for that. :) But please, let's not think of this as anything personal. That is your opinion about the upcoming SM and PM Naga, and this is our opinion about the upcoming IA. Let's respect each others opinions and keep a healthy discussion in this thread. ;) Thanks. :)

Okay, let's keep it as it is. Basta ako pro-PROGRESS ako. I see that there'll be a lot of opportunities and benefits that will pour in should all these projects are continued. ;)

[dx]

October 24th, 2006, 08:34 AM

Wow, congrats Nikki!. we miss you here. hehe

kevinb

October 24th, 2006, 10:37 AM

Nyek, akala ko mas poor ang Camarines Norte. Camrines Sur pala. Tama ba ito sa tingin niyo mga taga-CamSur?

Hindi ko alam. Wala ako paki sa CamSur. :jk:

As for kevin's response, you may be right about what you've said... but as i've stated earlier, the IA WILL REPLACE the current airport in Legazpi. So, whether there will be many tourists or not, still that "IA" will be operational as it will serve those who are currently using the current airport that Legazpi have.

I didn't know that. What I know is that Legazpi Domestic Airport will be privatized and will be converted to an IA, same with Naga DA.

I'm not convinced that Naga is bicol's richest city... Because if you multiply their income per capita by total population, here it goes:

Naga (2,122.88 * 137,000+) = 290,834,560+
Legazpi (1,890.74 * 157,000+) = 296,846,180+

Population figures are based on 2000 Census, the totals would've been greater now. And based on statistics, Albay had a higher population growth rate than Camarines Sur.

You just can't tell another city to be reacher than another, there are so many aspects to be considered. As for income per capita, Naguenyos are richer than Legazpenyos. But in totals, the whole Legazpi is richer than the whole Naga. And this is primarily because of the former's land area and population.

As for the provincial statistics, the provinces of Albay and Camarines Sur have the lowest income per capita due to, again, population. The two provinces are the most populated in the region. Thus, it is understandable that they have the lowest income per capita. If, again, you multiply the income per capita by the total population, I'm pretty sure that Camarines Sur will have the highest and I think, Catanduanes will have the lowest...

Plus, this is based on the GRP, or Gross Regional Product. If it is the poverty threshold that is to be considered, Camarines norte have more poor families than Camarines Sur and Masbate had the most.

I don't want to initiate a CvC here, but I think you are biased and insecure. I don't want to react anymore to your post. I hope this ends here. Please.

Wow, congrats Nikki!. we miss you here. hehe

Uhm. Hmm. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Dex.. Uuy.. :lol: :D

@Nikki: Congrats! Sana wala ng mangyaring leakage sa sunod na Nursing Board Exam. :colgate: :jk:

kevinb

October 24th, 2006, 10:45 AM

BTW, I heard over RMN Naga that the jeepney and van terminals and the CBD II Satellite Market in the Naga City CBD II will be transferred to the site in front of its present site. In that site will rise another LCC Mall daw. And just in front of it will be SM Naga. I just dunno if this is very credible but the transferring of the terminals and the market is already being started. I hope LCC will really build another mall there. :D

gurugeri

October 24th, 2006, 01:33 PM

I don't want to initiate a CvC here, but I think you are biased and insecure. I don't want to react anymore to your post. I hope this ends here. Please.

I could have opted to be quiet but this is a sour remark. I would like to believe, however, that Mond87's stats were baseless. Nevertheless, I didn't find this reply convincingly sound.

koltuvtbm

October 24th, 2006, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by kevinb
I don't want to initiate a CvC here, but I think you are biased and insecure. I don't want to react anymore to your post. I hope this ends here. Please.

I think you are doubly right, kevinb. You see, we can disagree without being disagreeable. We have to be careful with what we say in this forum so that our slip does not show and we don't appear to be illogical with our sense of reasoning so shot and elementary as to make it frustrating for others to make sense of our arguments without getting disappointed.
Mind you, am being courteous with my words here. Ha-ha!

Matteo

October 24th, 2006, 05:27 PM

Wow, congrats Nikki!. we miss you here. hehe

yea where did you go?
and those photos you promised us looong time ago? heehee :D

Mond87

October 25th, 2006, 08:49 AM

Hindi ko alam. Wala ako **** sa CamSur. :jk:

1) I didn't know that. What I know is that Legazpi Domestic Airport will be privatized and will be converted to an IA, same with Naga DA.

2) I don't want to initiate a CvC here, but I think you are biased and insecure. I don't want to react anymore to your post. I hope this ends here. Please.

Uhm. Hmm. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Dex.. Uuy.. :lol: :D

@Nikki: Congrats! Sana wala ng mangyaring leakage sa sunod na Nursing Board Exam. :colgate: :jk:

I put numbers to your replies to designate w/c paragraphs I am replying to...

1) If Legazpi Domestic Airport is to be converted to an IA, then why is the upcoming IA located in another site?

2) I'm not biased... hello... I'm basing my stats on reality, a.k.a. "real economic principles." If you still don't know it, income per capita is derived by dividing an area's TOTAL INCOME by its corresponding TOTAL POPULATION. But you're right, I'm insecure sometimes. You just can't take away a person's imperfections from him but mind you, my statement is true! ;)

bonixx

October 25th, 2006, 09:01 AM

sorry po kung may na offend sa post ko I mean Naga is the richest city in Bicol, in terms of lifestyle . un lang po .thanks i hope were all rich ahehehe

Mond87

October 25th, 2006, 09:02 AM

really??

ok ill try to post some

may pic kayo ng shop about mga produktong Atenista??? I'm quite eager to see... Kakaiba kasi ang na-relate sakin nung friend ko na taga-dyan... heheh... PS, i also miss you ate nikki, ikaw lang kasi ang babae dito... :D!!!

Mond87

October 25th, 2006, 09:06 AM

sorry po kung may na offend sa post ko I mean Naga is the richest city in Bicol, in terms of lifestyle . un lang po .thanks i hope were all rich ahehehe

It's okay, bonixx. In fact, a bicolano myself don't really give it much importance... Heheh, di ko nga alam na pinagtatalunan na pala Legazpi and Naga til I visit this site... Syemps, naki-join din ako... Nabubuhay kc utak ko pag may pinagtatalunan... hhehe... ;)

bonixx

October 25th, 2006, 09:11 AM

It's okay, bonixx. In fact, a bicolano myself don't really give it much importance... Heheh, di ko nga alam na pinagtatalunan na pala Legazpi and Naga til I visit this site... Syemps, naki-join din ako... Nabubuhay kc utak ko pag may pinagtatalunan... hhehe... ;)

thank U, hmmmmm sounds good and thats the real spirit of this forum. God bles

Mond87

October 25th, 2006, 09:15 AM

thank U, hmmmmm sounds good and thats the real spirit of this forum. God bles

Yup. I love debates... Nailalabas ko ang lahat ng mga naiisip ko... I really just love it basta hindi lang umabot sa tunay na away... heheh... I love you all! I love Bicolanos!!! ;)

bonixx

October 25th, 2006, 09:22 AM

Yup. I love debates... Nailalabas ko ang lahat ng mga naiisip ko... I really just love it basta hindi lang umabot sa tunay na away... heheh... I love you all! I love Bicolanos!!! ;)

kepp it up men, oo naman wala naman may gusto ng war, sometimes it may help our place to be develope.

gurugeri

October 25th, 2006, 09:32 AM

Yup. I love debates... Nailalabas ko ang lahat ng mga naiisip ko... I really just love it basta hindi lang umabot sa tunay na away... heheh... I love you all! I love Bicolanos!!! ;)
Well, at least tapos na yung rift. Or is it? Haha! Not a sower of discord...

Here are the pics of Nabua Church. I almost posted them in the Legazpi thread. I forgot, Nabua is Cam Sur pala. Hehe!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/freaky_jerry/PA212634.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/freaky_jerry/PA212633.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/freaky_jerry/PA212636.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/freaky_jerry/PA212635.jpg

Mond87

October 25th, 2006, 10:46 AM

sorry po kung may na offend sa post ko I mean Naga is the richest city in Bicol, in terms of lifestyle . un lang po .thanks i hope were all rich ahehehe

Hmmm... Sorry to disagree once again but I think it's the family median income that's supposed to support a city's wealth in terms of lifestyle and not income per capita... Weheheh... Pero ok lang tlga yun... second response ko na to for the same msg. Napag-isip-isip lang tlga ako... ;)

bobbymay74

October 25th, 2006, 02:53 PM

sorry po kung may na offend sa post ko I mean Naga is the richest city in Bicol, in terms of lifestyle . un lang po .thanks i hope were all rich ahehehe

" In terms of Lifestyle " ... I was reflecting the life here in Naga a few days ago, but when you said that...Again I would really agree

NAGA CITY is the diverse group of Bicolano's (from the north to the south), tagalogs from Quezon, Batangas and Manilenos, ever since the Spanish period making Naga as the center of the Spanish Crown in the south. it has been a center for Bicolanos for growth and developed.

Up to now.. Naga had been a place for all Bicolanos looking for Job employment, starting up Business to University enrolees.
Like the Business of Robert Obiedo (Robertson) and Romy Tan (LCC) there are plenty of albayanos employed in their business, maybe because Obiedo and Romy are from Albay or Legaspi. Ely's Studio employees are mostly from Legaspi. Like Multibrand and Iriga Joe mostly from Iriga and other businesses etc...
There is so many students from different parts of Bicol,studying in the Universities. I found out when i'm studying in Ateneo, that there are many student from Legaspi studying there. They may not stay in Naga for good, but they are an asset of our City, because they do invest money and time here.
We have a total of 52 banks already this year, one of most numbered banks in Luzon, many bicolanos are employed in this banks coming from different places in Bicol.

My point here is, bicolanos from afar don't have to go to their locality every day or not even weekend but tends to stay in our City making them as an asset of the City. They buy houses, they sent their children in school and do businesses in here.

Many People from other parts of Bicol keep coming here to find a job, leaving the farms or towns to look for a better opportunity, either they find a better job or not, the city govt. will always do their part to help them. from Skill training to child education. Someday their children will be an asset of the City.

The basis to find the rich city in Bicol would depend really on people ( security, education, better housing, and other basic needs), their asset( what's in the pocket, savings, property, etc...) we may not get an accurate measurement. but still people themselves will the judge, and there is no way but to compare from the previous place they stayed.

Our Lifestyle will always be better because there is so much opportunity in our city.

As we go on, our life here in Naga will be always be better because, every "people is an asset".

As Mayor Jessie would said, he done his part on making Naga as a likeable and liveable place, we must do our part in making Naga even much better place to live.

koltuvtbm

October 25th, 2006, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by gurugeri
Here are the pics of Nabua Church. I almost posted them in the Legazpi thread. I forgot, Nabua is Cam Sur pala. Hehe!

Undoubtedly beautiful pics, let me not take my admiration away. The Nabua parish church (Holy Cross) is among the few beautiful old churches in Camarines Sur. Dios mabalos!
Many beautiful old churches I've seen during our annual family visita iglesia during holy week are in Albay, particularly those in Tabaco, Ligao, Camalig, Oas, Polangui, and practically all towns along the way towards Legaspi.
May I say, though, these pics you shot belong to a different site. To refresh you, here are 2 classic rejoinders, viz:Originally posted by bobbymay74
I just like to make it clear again, that Naga City is not the capital of Camarines Sur. Naga City is independent city (Chartered City). We are not part of the Socio-Political/ Socio-Economic system of the Province of Camarines Sur.
and
Originally posted by kevinb
Hindi ko alam. Wala ako **** sa CamSur.

koltuvtbm

October 25th, 2006, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Mond87
Yup. I love debates... Nailalabas ko ang lahat ng mga naiisip ko... I really just love it basta hindi lang umabot sa tunay na away... heheh... I love you all! I love Bicolanos!!!

Dios mabalos for your love for Bicolanos!
But on your love for debates, may I suggest you start learning argumentation and debate first in college. It's the best way to enjoy a hearty, well-meaning, and intelligent exchange.
I have been reading your rejoinders and cannot help but be amused. So let me indulge you as much I can.
For example, your points on economics are simplistic and flawed from the viewpoint of a well-trained and experienced economist. You mistake income per capita for per capita income, which is erroneous!
Whilst the former refers to income of a place, the latter indicates personal income. Particularly your reference to Keynes (heroic Economist? - where was he shot?) as practically your simple solution to an economic problem is unacceptable in the modern context.
While the IA may be a sound project per your peroration on Keynes, with a market such as ours it would be difficult and impractical to apply Keynesian policies to cause even a ripple effect on per capita income so that the income per capita would increase. Yours is just a Keynesian sort of short-term solution that may cause a long-term problem like an IA white elephant.
Pls. appreciate P3 Billion construction cost is an undeniably huge amount of capital spending for just one project that would only encourage further deficit spending whose present level is already mind-boggling right now, to say the least. Who will suffer ultimately, amigo? Ask the debater, ha-ha!
Do you follow? If not, let's not debate.

Matteo

October 25th, 2006, 05:43 PM

Heheh, di ko nga alam na pinagtatalunan na pala Legazpi and Naga til I visit this site... Syemps, naki-join din ako... Nabubuhay kc utak ko pag may pinagtatalunan... hhehe... ;)

Mond87, that's not what's happening here.
Ever since the creation of the Bicol cities (Legazpi and Naga) threads, none of that has ever happened, and we do not want that to happen.
These threads are here for us not to engage in ridiculous exchanges as to which city is better.
Most of the newer posters here haven't been around the forum long enough to know what happens to threads with City vs. City types of arguments.

bonixx

October 25th, 2006, 07:36 PM

comparing is good ....competing is best... war is not....

kevinb

October 26th, 2006, 04:04 AM

Hindi ko alam. Wala ako **** sa CamSur. :jk:

What the fcuk is happening to my post?! That word should appear is "pakialam".

Well, at least tapos na yung rift. Or is it? Haha! Not a sower of discord...

Here are the pics of Nabua Church. I almost posted them in the Legazpi thread. I forgot, Nabua is Cam Sur pala. Hehe!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/freaky_jerry/PA212634.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/freaky_jerry/PA212633.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/freaky_jerry/PA212636.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/freaky_jerry/PA212635.jpg

Sir Jerry, igwa pang magayon na simbahan somewhere in CamSur. Maybe in Tigaon or Goa. Napanganga ako kang mahiling ko 'to. :lol: Sadit lang siya but grand. :)

Mond87, that's not what's happening here.
Ever since the creation of the Bicol cities (Legazpi and Naga) threads, none of that has ever happened, and we do not want that to happen.
These threads are here for us not to engage in ridiculous exchanges as to which city is better.
Most of the newer posters here haven't been around the forum long enough to know what happens to threads with City vs. City types of arguments.

@Mond: Matt's right. No word war has happened here between Legazpi and Naga when both cities came to SSC, though the Legazpi thread has long been created. I really hope we'll all get along here. I don't want enemies or something.

Mond87

October 26th, 2006, 04:38 AM

^^ Really? Looks like it has... Hmmm... Sorry but I'm not engaging myself in a word war too... I just want to discuss and clarify some things... ;)

Mond87

October 26th, 2006, 04:45 AM

Dios mabalos for your love for Bicolanos!
But on your love for debates, may I suggest you start learning argumentation and debate first in college. It's the best way to enjoy a hearty, well-meaning, and intelligent exchange.
I have been reading your rejoinders and cannot help but be amused. So let me indulge you as much I can.
For example, your points on economics are simplistic and flawed from the viewpoint of a well-trained and experienced economist. You mistake income per capita for per capita income, which is erroneous!
Whilst the former refers to income of a place, the latter indicates personal income. Particularly your reference to Keynes (heroic Economist? - where was he shot?) as practically your simple solution to an economic problem is unacceptable in the modern context.
While the IA may be a sound project per your peroration on Keynes, with a market such as ours it would be difficult and impractical to apply Keynesian policies to cause even a ripple effect on per capita income so that the income per capita would increase. Yours is just a Keynesian sort of short-term solution that may cause a long-term problem like an IA white elephant.
Pls. appreciate P3 Billion construction cost is an undeniably huge amount of capital spending for just one project that would only encourage further deficit spending whose present level is already mind-boggling right now, to say the least. Who will suffer ultimately, amigo? Ask the debater, ha-ha!
Do you follow? If not, let's not debate.

Regarding the income per capita, if you reviewed all my statements, you'd observe that I never interchanged it w/ per capita income...

Regarding the keynesian economics, please point out why it is impractical to apply it in the IA issues? PS, I don't think that an airport that would continue to serve people will turn into a white elephant. The airport in Legazpi now is to be replaced by this upcoming IA. Right now, it has daily flights in Cebu Pacific, Air Philippines, et al. So if the upcoming IA is to serve the same people who were benefitted by the current airport, how can it become a white elephant?

Mond87

October 26th, 2006, 04:46 AM

What the fcuk is happening to my post?! That word should appear is "pakialam".

Sir Jerry, igwa pang magayon na simbahan somewhere in CamSur. Maybe in Tigaon or Goa. Napanganga ako kang mahiling ko 'to. :lol: Sadit lang siya but grand. :)

@Mond: Matt's right. No word war has happened here between Legazpi and Naga when both cities came to SSC, though the Legazpi thread has long been created. I really hope we'll all get along here. I don't want enemies or something.

I agree, there must be some better-looking churches out there... The ones in Naga, for example...

Mond87

October 26th, 2006, 04:52 AM

comparing is good ....competing is best... war is not....

Comparing has never been good... Heheh... That's what I learned in school. But if you're to compare a single thing for different time periods/intervals, that's the only good comparison...

bonixx

October 26th, 2006, 06:09 AM

Comparing has never been good... Heheh... That's what I learned in school. But if you're to compare a single thing for different time periods/intervals, that's the only good comparison...

yazzz! depende yan sa pagkakaunawa mo ,for me comparing is good because it really uplift my spirit when i do something beyond my expectation...

kevinb

October 26th, 2006, 10:17 AM

Regarding the income per capita, if you reviewed all my statements, you'd observe that I never interchanged it w/ per capita income...

Regarding the keynesian economics, please point out why it is impractical to apply it in the IA issues? PS, I don't think that an airport that would continue to serve people will turn into a white elephant. The airport in Legazpi now is to be replaced by this upcoming IA. Right now, it has daily flights in Cebu Pacific, Air Philippines, et al. So if the upcoming IA is to serve the same people who were benefitted by the current airport, how can it become a white elephant?

I don't get the per capita income and income per capita. are you referring to GDP-PPP and nominal GDP?

It will not become a white elephant, but it could. Yes, the legazpi DA is already serving us with daily flights courtesy of PAL, Cebu Pacific, and Air Phil and I know that it is very profittable and is not a white elephant. What I'm reiterating is the possibility that could only muster serving around one or two international flights. Now that is a white elephant considering that it is an IA, not a DA.

gurugeri

October 26th, 2006, 12:15 PM

Undoubtedly beautiful pics, let me not take my admiration away. The Nabua parish church (Holy Cross) is among the few beautiful old churches in Camarines Sur. Dios mabalos!
Many beautiful old churches I've seen during our annual family visita iglesia during holy week are in Albay, particularly those in Tabaco, Ligao, Camalig, Oas, Polangui, and practically all towns along the way towards Legaspi.
May I say, though, these pics you shot belong to a different site. To refresh you, here are 2 classic rejoinders, viz:
and

There was nowhere I could post the pictures. I fully understand Naga is a chartered city.

gurugeri

October 26th, 2006, 01:25 PM

Hindi ko alam. Wala ako **** sa CamSur. :jk:

I think you should care about Cam Sur. Yes, Naga may be a chartered city, pero not all who live and work in Naga are from the city itself. I would like to be corrected, though, if I say that Naga was once part of Camarines Sur.

I don't think Legazpeños would be that assuming if Legazpi becomes a chartered city. The city wouldn't really survive, or progress, without Albay, and in Naga's case, without Cam Sur. Or is the grudge you have against Cam Sur attributable to politics?

gurugeri

October 26th, 2006, 01:28 PM

Sir Jerry, igwa pang magayon na simbahan somewhere in CamSur. Maybe in Tigaon or Goa. Napanganga ako kang mahiling ko 'to. :lol: Sadit lang siya but grand. :)

Bayae sana ta picturan ko Goa Church. Sa Tigaon, maganda church dun. I hope I have the chance to take shots of those churches. And I will post them here.

Mond87

October 27th, 2006, 09:41 AM

I don't get the per capita income and income per capita. are you referring to GDP-PPP and nominal GDP?

It will not become a white elephant, but it could. Yes, the legazpi DA is already serving us with daily flights courtesy of PAL, Cebu Pacific, and Air Phil and I know that it is very profittable and is not a white elephant. What I'm reiterating is the possibility that could only muster serving around one or two international flights. Now that is a white elephant considering that it is an IA, not a DA.

Finally, our two minds connected at last! Now for the issue that it might be an international airport w/ only one or two international flights, let's just wait and see... All things don't come in an instant. I'm pretty sure that that upcoming airport would evolve anyhow. I'm not even really expecting that much from that new airport. All I care about is the easier access of the world to Bicol... ;)

kevinb

October 27th, 2006, 10:20 AM

I think you should care about Cam Sur. Yes, Naga may be a chartered city, pero not all who live and work in Naga are from the city itself. I would like to be corrected, though, if I say that Naga was once part of Camarines Sur.

I don't think Legazpeños would be that assuming if Legazpi becomes a chartered city. The city wouldn't really survive, or progress, without Albay, and in Naga's case, without Cam Sur. Or is the grudge you have against Cam Sur attributable to politics?

It's not that I really don't care about Cam Sur. I even placed :jk: icon after the sentence. :) I care about my province. :)

Finally, our two minds connected at last! Now for the issue that it might be an international airport w/ only one or two international flights, let's just wait and see... All things don't come in an instant. I'm pretty sure that that upcoming airport would evolve anyhow. I'm not even really expecting that much from that new airport. All I care about is the easier access of the world to Bicol... ;)

Yeah. Well, mayo na kita magigibo kung ititindog na talaga yan. Sana lang dai talaga maging puting elepante. Hehe.

Mond87

October 27th, 2006, 10:24 AM

It's not that I really don't care about Cam Sur. I even placed :jk: icon after the sentence. :) I care about my province. :)

Yeah. Well, mayo na kita magigibo kung ititindog na talaga yan. Sana lang dai talaga maging puting elepante. Hehe.

I'm crossing my fingers now... ;)

kevinb

October 27th, 2006, 10:26 AM

^^ :scouserd: :D

bonixx

October 27th, 2006, 10:33 AM

sign of peace talks?ahehehe good to you mga utol!!! kelan kaya mag tatayo ng Biggs dito sa lucena ahehehe nagugutom na ako.

kevinb

October 27th, 2006, 10:36 AM

^^ May Bigg's na rin sa Lucena? Wow! :colgate: Ilan ang Bigg's dyan?

bonixx

October 27th, 2006, 10:50 AM

^^ May Bigg's na rin sa Lucena? Wow! :colgate: Ilan ang Bigg's dyan?

wala pang Biggs dito ,wish ko sana meron na dito ahehehe namimis ko ung Chicken sa Biggs Chicken Festival ahehhehe ,sa San Pablo,Laguna may Biggs na.

papable

October 27th, 2006, 04:21 PM

Does Biggs plan to expand to Metro Manila? Also Graceland? I think they would add much color and flavor to the fast food chain. I prefer them to McDo and JB.

Sind24

October 27th, 2006, 09:27 PM

Here's a video about naga:
http://sjl-static3.sjl.youtube.com/vi/wLrxdqIuy7g/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxdqIuy7g)

kevinb

October 28th, 2006, 02:57 AM

wala pang Biggs dito ,wish ko sana meron na dito ahehehe namimis ko ung Chicken sa Biggs Chicken Festival ahehhehe ,sa San Pablo,Laguna may Biggs na.

Ah, yeah. I've been to San Pablo and I've seen the Bigg's outlet there. Medyo maliit pero maganda. ;)

Does Biggs plan to expand to Metro Manila? Also Graceland? I think they would add much color and flavor to the fast food chain. I prefer them to McDo and JB.

As far as I know, Bigg's is already going into nationawide franchising, but still very few know about Bicol's biggest food chain. As for Graceland, it's fast coming with Bigg's, but I don't know if they're into nationwide franchising.

Here's a video about naga:
http://sjl-static3.sjl.youtube.com/vi/wLrxdqIuy7g/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxdqIuy7g)

Neat. :okay:

olineil

October 28th, 2006, 05:15 AM

bonixx

October 28th, 2006, 07:45 AM

Mond87

October 28th, 2006, 08:02 AM

your right Legazpi is a Capital Chartered city, and Naga is a Component Chartered city.Both cities are independent.

Ngayon ko lang to nalaman ah... heheh...

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Bigg's is really expanding. I thought it's only confined in Bicol Region. It might be the largest fast food chain now in Southern Luzon. Hmmm... :D

bonixx

October 28th, 2006, 08:08 AM

Ngayon ko lang to nalaman ah... heheh...

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Bigg's is really expanding. I thought it's only confined in Bicol Region. It might be the largest fast food chain now in Southern Luzon. Hmmm... :D

hmmmm. maybe but i think Buddy's pizza here in lucena is also large with L.C. Big Mak

Mond87

October 28th, 2006, 08:13 AM

hmmmm. maybe but i think Buddy's pizza here in lucena is also large with L.C. Big Mak

L.C. Big Mak is a fast-food chain? Ngek... Akala ko stall lang... Hmmm... So these are the three largest fast-food chains in Southern Luzon...

Mond87

October 28th, 2006, 08:22 AM

^^Buddy's pizza... sounds delicious...

bonixx

October 28th, 2006, 08:42 AM

^^Buddy's pizza... sounds delicious...

Masarap talaga, bukod a Pizza offer din nila ang pancit Habhab, May branch na sila sa Makati,Marketmarket at ortigas, L.C. Big Mak here parang Jollibee Resto talaga , Mayron b sa naga L.C. Big mak na resto hindi stall?

namimis ko talaga ang Biggs sarap ng chicken sa Biggs Busog ka talaga .

[dx]

October 28th, 2006, 09:15 AM

hehe, kumain pa lang ako sa bigg's kahapon.. mas malaki talaga mga serving. :D

Sind24

October 28th, 2006, 09:27 AM

Musta na pala yung Bigg's sa may ateneo ave. at tapos na ba yung dormitory building dun? Saint Therese Dormitory ata tawag dun?

bonixx

October 28th, 2006, 09:33 AM

hehe, kumain pa lang ako sa bigg's kahapon.. mas malaki talaga mga serving. :D

ahehehe mang inggit ba. bihira lang ako makapunta jn sa Bicol Pero Biggs talaga namimis ko jn na resto ahehehe

Mond87

October 28th, 2006, 10:31 AM

ahehehe mang inggit ba. bihira lang ako makapunta jn sa Bicol Pero Biggs talaga namimis ko jn na resto ahehehe

Bisita ka uli toditz!

kevinb

October 28th, 2006, 11:07 AM

Isn't Legazpi a chartered city already? Please correect me if I'm wrong... Legazpi City is independent of the Albay Government... Legazpi Doesnt relly on Albay...mas malaki pa ang income ng Legazpi compared to the whole of albay. Again correct me if im wrong.

No, Naga City is the sole chartered city in the region.

Musta na pala yung Bigg's sa may ateneo ave. at tapos na ba yung dormitory building dun? Saint Therese Dormitory ata tawag dun?

Bigg's-Ateneo Ave. is the most unique in terms of design. Di ba lahat ng Bigg's retro ang motiff? Un ganun din pero slight lang. Tapos gumamit sila ng bricks as posts. I'll post a pic of that after I transfer the pics to a CD. :)

bonixx

October 28th, 2006, 11:59 AM

Bisita ka uli toditz!

i have three reasons to visit bicol:

1. SSC Forumers meet
2.Biggs, Biggs, Biggs
3.Bicol Express ,pili nuts, Wow

kevinb

October 28th, 2006, 12:05 PM

^^ If you can't think of anything to spend your money on, punta ka na lang dito sa Bicol. Dito ka magwaldas ng pera mo. :lol:

bonixx

October 28th, 2006, 12:08 PM

^^ If you can't think of anything to spend your money on, punta ka na lang dito sa Bicol. Dito ka magwaldas ng pera mo. :lol:

di naman masyado ahehehe. pupunta talaga ako jan pa free na ko matatapos na project ko dito.maliit lang

kevinb

October 28th, 2006, 12:22 PM

^^ Ano ang project mo? Engineer ka ba? Architect?

bonixx

October 28th, 2006, 12:31 PM

^^ Ano ang project mo? Engineer ka ba? Architect?

graduate lang ako ng Civil, di pa ko na take ng exam, House lang project ko

kevinb

October 28th, 2006, 12:34 PM

Ooh. Eh di pag nagka-license ka na, pwede ka na sa ibang buildings di ba?

bonixx

October 28th, 2006, 12:40 PM

sana makapasa balak ko this May 2007, Sayang nga sana ako na nagsign ng plan .ahehehe

smb

October 29th, 2006, 01:30 AM

sana makapasa balak ko this May 2007, Sayang nga sana ako na nagsign ng plan .ahehehe

bakit hindi ka pa kukuha ngayong November. Pwede pa naman mag-apply. :)

Basta bisita ka sa Bicol.

bonixx

October 29th, 2006, 06:14 AM

bakit hindi ka pa kukuha ngayong November. Pwede pa naman mag-apply. :)

Basta bisita ka sa Bicol.

medyo bc pa tol ahehehe, gusto ko sure yung may review ako,tnx sa suggestion ha.oo bisita ako jn sa Bicol.

Mond87

October 29th, 2006, 09:06 AM

medyo bc pa tol ahehehe, gusto ko sure yung may review ako,tnx sa suggestion ha.oo bisita ako jn sa Bicol.

Good luck and God bless!!!

Langh'ya yang PRC na yan. Pasado pala si ate ko sa Nursing, pinahintay pa kami ng 4 na buwan! Anyways, sana wala naman sa inyong mangyaring kababalaghan!

Sind24

October 29th, 2006, 11:42 AM

Here's a video featuring the best of cam sur:
http://sjl-static8.sjl.youtube.com/vi/tthjA_DZeJo/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tthjA_DZeJo)

Sind24

October 29th, 2006, 11:49 AM

click the image to view the video wow camarines sur:
http://sjl-static5.sjl.youtube.com/vi/Fz-NdRipYMs/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz-NdRipYMs)

kevinb

October 29th, 2006, 12:07 PM

sana makapasa balak ko this May 2007, Sayang nga sana ako na nagsign ng plan .ahehehe

Kaya mo yan. Hehe. :colgate:

__________

Welcome to the newest Bench store in Bicol! Bench-Nagaland Emall! :cheer:
So may tatlo nang Bench outlets dito sa Naga. Bench-LCC, Bench-Robertson and Bench-Emall. Wala lang. :D

koltuvtbm

October 29th, 2006, 03:42 PM

@bonixx Seems to me you really like Bigg's. Well, to my mind, the best-looking Bigg's restaurants are those at Pili, Legaspi, Sipocot, and of course those at its home city of Naga.

You should try Bigg's Topps at Naga CBD-II. Along with Bigg's-Panganiban Drive, Bigg's P.Burgos St., and Bigg's BMC, these 4 outlets are all 24/7.

The homegrown Lucena foodchains like L.C. BigMak and Franks are all over Bicol, too. Buddy's is one restaurant you Lucenahins should be proud of because it was successful in Metro Manila, and is obviously holding its own successfully at SM-Lucena, perhaps even against Jollibee and McDonald's.

@toledonhon Yes, Bigg's is into nationwide franchising. They opened company-owned outlets at Metropole near MRT-EDSA/Taft and at Libis, QC. Sadly, both outlets like their Daet restaurant outlet closed shop for reasons I don't know.

The other homegrown Naga foodchain, Graceland, is not presently franchising. As officially told, just like Baker's Plaza, its sister Naga foodchain, with its very popular and delicious Brownies, Graceland would rather grow slowly but surely with company-owned restaurant-outlets.

Another homegrown Naga business chain that is worth watching is Sampaguita Tourist Inn. They have branches in major localities in Bicol and plan to expand to Quezon City, Cebu City, and Davao City by next year.

Of course let's not forget New South Star Drugstore. This pride of Naga is Mercury Drugstore's national rival, and has over 100 drugstore branches nationwide, including inside SM malls.

Let me ask my fellow Nagueños through this forum to patronize Naga's homegrown businesses because anyway they are really good.

bonixx

October 29th, 2006, 03:59 PM

bonixx

October 29th, 2006, 04:03 PM

Kaya mo yan. Hehe. :colgate:

__________

Welcome to the newest Bench store in Bicol! Bench-Nagaland Emall! :cheer:
So may tatlo nang Bench outlets dito sa Naga. Bench-LCC, Bench-Robertson and Bench-Emall. Wala lang. :D

thank Utol, Wow very extraodinary for Naga Just like manila houses a series of Bench Store. Can u post some pics of the newset Nagalang E-Mall? soon HerBench ,Bench kids, Bench body?ahehehe

kevinb

October 30th, 2006, 09:28 AM

^^ I'll try to. :) Meron na rin akong ibang pics dito kaso hindi ko pa maipa-transfer sa CD. :D

Sind24

October 31st, 2006, 06:31 AM

Bulacan, Naga and Lugait bag best LGU website awards
Friday, 27 October 2006

The Provincial Government of Bulacan, the City Government of Naga, Camarines Sur and the Municipal Government of Lugait, Misamis Oriental garnered the top spots in the 2006 Search for Best Local Government Websites, an annual contest sponsored by the National Computer Center under its eLGU Project.

The search was broken down into three categories namely provincial, city and municipal, while a special award was reserved for the best LGU website developed using the NCC Content Management System (CMS). The Municipal Government of Infanta, Quezon clinched the said award.

All contest entries were evaluated by a distinct panel of judges according to the following set of criteria: functionality – 20%, content – 35%, presentation – 25%, originality – 10% and eGovernment or citizen-centric value – 10%.

This is actually the third straight win for Naga City, having bagged the same award in the past two contests, thereby making it eligible for the eLGU Web Hall of Fame.

Bulacan Province, on the other hand, received the same award in last year’s contest while Lugait Municipality is a first time winner.

This year’s search was held in partnership with the Asian Institute of Journalism and Communications (AIJC) and the Media G8way Corporation, the organizer of the Philippine Web Awards.

Winners will be awarded during the 9th Philippine Web Awards on December 7, 2006 at the RCBC Plaza in Makati City.

http://elgu.ncc.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=273&Itemid=2

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Sind24

October 31st, 2006, 07:25 AM

CTO posts 108% in revenue collection efficiency
Tuesday, October 31, 2006
By Mon Baturiano

During the last nine months, only 16 centavos were spent for each peso collected by the city government of Naga, thus, channeling the remaining 84% percent of its revenue earnings directly for the benefit of the Nagueños. Indubitably, the only LGU in the Bicol region to accomplish such feat, tax collection efficiency-wise.

City Treasurer Rodrigo Belleza reported the actual revenue collection gains of the city government of Naga for the first nine months of the year (January-September) which was 108% more than the previous year.

The CTO reported a total income of P282.95 million for the first 9 months of the year, compared to only P263.42 million during the same duration in 2005.

Constituting the bulk of the city’s total tax revenue, the real property tax collection hiked by as much as 36.58% increasing by P76.22 million more than September 2005 collection total of only P55.81 million. In business taxes alone, the city earned P49.52 million during the first three quarters, up 13.13% from last year’s P43.77 million.

On non-tax revenues, the receipts from the Naga City Public Market saw a dramatic increase adding P12.98 million in the city’s earnings for the three quarters, higher by P2.5 million from last year’s P10.55 million revenue.

Revenues from the Naga City Abattoir, the Central Business District as well as hospital and cemetery fees infused also hefty addition to the city’s non-tax revenues.

Total non-tax revenues for the entire nine months amounted to almost P55.62 million, almost nine million pesos higher than the 2005 level.

The recorded P20 million increase in total local sources more than complemented the slight increase in Internal Revenue Allocation or IRA which inflated by close to a million pesos from only P139.9 million in 2005 to P140.87 million this year.

http://www.naga.gov.ph/journal2/?module=journal#

:banana2: :banana2: :banana2:

bonixx

October 31st, 2006, 09:39 AM

city gov't is effective to collect tax revenues

garzland

November 2nd, 2006, 01:51 AM

Wow, congratulations once again to Naga!

garzland

November 2nd, 2006, 01:57 AM

Sind24

November 3rd, 2006, 04:44 AM

Naga Metropolitan Cathedral: (taken from the internet)
Church's exterior:
http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763570.IMG_0037.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763571.IMG_0063.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763572.IMG_0064.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763573.IMG_0065.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763582.IMG_0095.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763583.IMG_0096.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763585.IMG_0109.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763586.IMG_0168.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763587.IMG_0145.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763588.IMG_0149.jpg
Church's interior:
http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/2/49763581.IMG_0092.jpg
http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763574.IMG_0070.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763575.IMG_0072.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763576.IMG_0077.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763577.IMG_0080.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763578.IMG_0083.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763579.IMG_0085.jpg http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763580.IMG_0088.jpg
Universidad de Santa Isabel:
http://ct.pbase.com/v3/42/592542/4/49763584.IMG_0097.jpg

source: http://www.pbase.com/jovani/naga

kevinb

November 3rd, 2006, 10:50 AM

That would be good! Has SM already done groundbreaking?

Nope. Not yet 'coz the whole area isn't fully vacated yet. As for LCC, maybe the commentator just made a mistake. People from the CBD II Satellite market whom I asked said SM will built in the latter's site. I dunno which is which. I guess we'll just have to wait. :)

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Galing ng Naga! :cheer:

Sinjin P.

November 3rd, 2006, 11:18 AM

^ So SM and LCC will build first before Pacific Mall? :lol:

kevinb

November 3rd, 2006, 11:39 AM

^^ Naga has already an LCC. Dunno if may 2nd LCC dito. But definitely, SM will build first. Pahuli-huli kasi Landco eh. :D

bonixx

November 3rd, 2006, 01:24 PM

^^ Naga has already an LCC. Dunno if may 2nd LCC dito. But definitely, SM will build first. Pahuli-huli kasi Landco eh. :D

how about Robertson ?

Sind24

November 4th, 2006, 06:03 AM

^^ Naga has already an LCC. Dunno if may 2nd LCC dito. But definitely, SM will build first. Pahuli-huli kasi Landco eh. :D
I think there'll be no 2nd LCC mall here in naga because the existing mall in here has only a ground floor and some parts with second floor. There's still enough space for a second or third floors.

Sind24

November 4th, 2006, 06:20 AM

... but it might as well put up its second mall in front of SM. (If it has the guts to have a competition with both SM and Robertson):lol: :lol: :lol:

garzland

November 4th, 2006, 07:33 AM

Landco's project here should have been finished at this time if they had just started it last year. But I'm glad they'll sitll push thru it as well as SM. Can't wait to see those projects.

koltuvtbm

November 4th, 2006, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by kevinb
Naga has already an LCC. Dunno if may 2nd LCC dito. But definitely, SM will build first. Pahuli-huli kasi Landco eh.

I think it may be an unsound idea for LCC to build a 2nd mall in Naga near SM's site since that would just be too near their existing central mall. In all probability, if those reports are true, then they might be planning to close their present mall and just transfer & build it near SM. This is not farfetched as I was told they are just leasing the site of their existing mall.

kevinb

November 4th, 2006, 11:20 AM

Siguro dai na malaag ang LCC sa CBD II ta malaag daa ng corporate center sa may Dinaga, duman sa lumang Metro Mall. Pero mas magayon kung igwa pa sa CBD II. :D

garzland

November 4th, 2006, 11:32 AM

I think it may be an unsound idea for LCC to build a 2nd mall in Naga near SM's site since that would just be too near their existing central mall. In all probability, if those reports are true, then they might be planning to close their present mall and just transfer & build it near SM. This is not farfetched as I was told they are just leasing the site of their existing mall.

Just make the 2nd LCC very competitive... SM is not just a local mall, it's branded.... or else it will just be a waste of money...

garzland

November 4th, 2006, 11:33 AM

Siguro dai na malaag ang LCC sa CBD II ta malaag daa ng corporate center sa may Dinaga, duman sa lumang Metro Mall. Pero mas magayon kung igwa pa sa CBD II. :D

I thought, it will be an extension of Regent Hotel.

kevinb

November 4th, 2006, 11:54 AM

^^ Dunno. All of these things we're talking about are still hearsays, except for the SM mall. The former Metro Mall hasn't disclosed anything yet, sama with the alleged LCC in the city CBD II. Whether these be an extension of Regent Hotel or an LCC Corporate Center or another LCC mall, that's a good development. :)

bonixx

November 4th, 2006, 12:55 PM

garzland

November 4th, 2006, 01:02 PM

^^ Yeah, that rocks!!!

bonixx

November 4th, 2006, 01:23 PM

^^ Yeah, that rocks!!!

yes ofcourse it rocks, u know Naga city has a Big role in the region From as far as san Francisco, Quezon the tip of bondoc peninsula,Burias island,Calauag Corrigdor etc. people here goes to Naga to buy their Commodities. i know it because i have my previous job on that certain area

garzland

November 4th, 2006, 01:33 PM

Thanks for the info pards.... I just knew it... i didn't know that they go here to shop... Why do they buy their commodities here? Are their places nearer to naga than in Lucena?

bonixx

November 4th, 2006, 01:48 PM

Thanks for the info pards.... I just knew it... i didn't know that they go here to shop... Why do they buy their commodities here? Are their places nearer to naga than in Lucena?

Burias Island and san francisco, Quezon is too far from lucena city 16 hours by boat to Dalahican Port ,bondoc peninsula is 10 hour trip with bus. so people from that area goes to naga instead of lucena because it takes only 5 hours by boat to Pasacao.

garzland

November 4th, 2006, 01:52 PM

Wow, now i know.... even the people from Tagkawayan also shop in Naga???

Sorry, Tagkawayan is part of calauag Corregidor, isn't it?

bonixx

November 4th, 2006, 02:07 PM

Wow, now i know.... even the people from Tagkawayan also shop in Naga???

yes of course i think tagkawayan is near in the middle of this two cities,50-50 ahehehe

bobbymay74

November 4th, 2006, 04:25 PM

Burias Island and san francisco, Quezon is too far from lucena city 16 hours by boat to Dalahican Port ,bondoc peninsula is 10 hour trip with bus. so people from that area goes to naga instead of lucena because it takes only 5 hours by boat to Pasacao.

hi,
thanks for the information. Are the price of commodities in Naga, competitive to those in Lucena or much cheaper?

bonixx

November 4th, 2006, 05:31 PM

hi,
thanks for the information. Are the price of commodities in Naga, competitive to those in Lucena or much cheaper?

Sa tingin ko naman ay hindi nagkakalayo, sa pag obserba ko sa Naga cheaper ang raw materials like pili nuts ,root crops,and fish,medyo malapit na kasi sa maynila ang Lucena kaya mura naman dito ang mga can and processed foods,fish mura din because of fish port here. well hindi ko masyadong alam tungkol jan based on my obserbation lang.

kevinb

November 5th, 2006, 07:46 AM

bonixx

November 5th, 2006, 08:18 AM

^^ Galing. So parang dalawa pala ang city ng Quezon, ung isa nasa CamSur. :D Pero sa tingin ko mas mura basic commodities dito sa Naga. Whenever I travel, laging tumitigil ung bus sa Lucena Grand Central Terminal. And lagi akong kumakain dun, and I should say mahal ang pagkain, as in. Nakapunta na rin kasi ako sa SM Lucena but I didn't have the time to shop kaya hindi ko masabi kung mahal din dun or sa ibang pa ng Lucena.;)

ahehehe yes parang ganon nga, siguro dahil narin sa sobrang laki ng probinsya 6th largest, and isa that part is stil a remote area, yeah maaring mas mahal ang basic commodities dito sa lucena nabasa ko din kasi iba ang rate ng CALABARZON area from other region and lucena belong to the 1st degree of urbanization,SM malls halos parepareho naman ang price kahit san ka magpunta,Mas mura ang bilihin sa Palengke aheheh mahal sa mall.

Madaming tao ang galing Tagkawayan na pumupunta dito sa Naga para mamili. May classmate nga ako sa UPLB na taga-Tagkawayan. Sabi niya, medyo madalas daw siya sa Naga namimili. Pati schoolmates niya din daw. MAdami daw din nga sa kanila ang nag-college dito, particularly in Ateneo. ;)

yes pwedeng mangyari yan double porpose kaya sila jan napunta shopping and site seeing ahehehe, well in terms of school im still Proud of my alma mater M.S.Enverga U. kaso monopolyo ang nangyayari di makapasok ang La Salle at Mapua dito kasi Si Gov. ang president ng MSEUF, La Salle supervised school ang nangyari aheheh. nabasa ko din yung year book namin mayroon din galing Visayas as far as Tacloban and Borongan. Madami din galing Masbate,Marinduque and Romblon.

nikki_18

November 5th, 2006, 12:54 PM

guys, my friend and i are planning to put up a business here in naga...and we're thinking bout a coffee shop...do you think that would b a good business for us?? (given na neophyte kmi) he6! and don't you think naga already have lots of establishments offering same services and products as ours?? bka masaturate ang market....

and kung ok sainyo, can you help me in brain storming for a good name for our coffee haus...??

tnx alot to u guys...

koltuvtbm

November 5th, 2006, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by bonixx
yes ofcourse it rocks, u know Naga city has a Big role in the region From as far as san Francisco, Quezon the tip of bondoc peninsula,Burias island,Calauag Corrigdor etc. people here goes to Naga to buy their Commodities. i know it because i have my previous job on that certain area

This is correct. Burias Island (San Pascual and Claveria towns) and San Francisco, Quezon are nearer Naga City via sea transportation through the port of Pasacao town. People from these far places come to Naga for commerce, education, and leisure.
Travel from either point by sea or land is really difficult. People in these remote parts cannot travel by sea when weather, occasioned by big waves, is bad . Travel by land to Gumaca or Lucena City is long and hazardous.

Because of their distance from developed/ urban areas, San Francisco and other towns in Bondoc peninsula and those in Burias Island (which is part of Masbate province) remain unspoiled (by progress?) with beautiful, white sand, clean beaches everywhere near them. Too bad these towns appear neglected, being located in remote, impoverished, and reportedly insurgency-wracked places.

bonixx

November 5th, 2006, 02:53 PM

This is correct. Burias Island (San Pascual and Claveria towns) and San Francisco, Quezon are nearer Naga City via sea transportation through the port of Pasacao town. People from these far places come to Naga for commerce, education, and leisure.
Travel from either point by sea or land is really difficult. People in these remote parts cannot travel by sea when weather, occasioned by big waves, is bad . Travel by land to Gumaca or Lucena City is long and hazardous.

Because of their distance from developed/ urban areas, San Francisco and other towns in Bondoc peninsula and those in Burias Island (which is part of Masbate province) remain unspoiled (by progress?) with beautiful, white sand, clean beaches everywhere near them. Too bad these towns appear neglected, being located in remote, impoverished, and reportedly insurgency-wracked places.

yes i agree, that part Quezon and Masbate have its unspoiling beauty, Isla Puting Sombrero is the croncrete example of that.

koltuvtbm

November 5th, 2006, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by nikki_18

guys, my friend and i are planning to put up a business here in naga...and we're thinking bout a coffee shop...do you think that would b a good business for us?? (given na neophyte kmi) he6! and don't you think naga already have lots of establishments offering same services and products as ours?? bka masaturate ang market....

I usually refrain from giving free advice on business start-ups because the investor heart is already heady and not romantic, as they say, and investors know best, so there is really no need for any advice. Moreover, strength of business character derives also from learning from the pain of mistakes.

Let us make an exception in your case, however, because a mistake can be costly and/ or fatal to one's financial wellbeing. (My personal advocacy is to help business in my home city. Accordingly, I don't wish for business closure of any sort as that would certainly be a sad development. So help as much as I can.)

Allow me to zero in on your planned coffeeshop, so I would think you have already mastered the basics of coffeeshop operation and are just raring to actually open one.

1st, you'll have to mind the competition.
Each of the coffeeshops in NC is complemented by auxilliary services like:
1. Starmark (catering, restaurant, eMall, Starmark Royale wedding coordination)
2. Mudbugs (billiard, cakehouse, wedding coordination)
3. Beanbug (Molino Grill & hotel near Panganiban bridge)
4. Aljosh Cafe (bar and restaurant, Robertson Mall)
5. R Cafe (Regent Hotel)
6. Coffee Beanery (the entire Avenue Square, ha-ha!)

Implication - you'll have to dig in with deeper pockets, or short of that, come up with other offerings and not just serve coffee. Competition apparently draws in the crowds precisely bcoz of complementary auxiliary services.

Which brings me to the 2nd point --- what's your crowd-drawer? Of course, it's not just serving the best coffee in the city, right? In short, what's the logic of your coffee business apart from the coffee?

Your place should be one where people would invariably want to be seen at, and so they have got to have a reason to be there. (like miggling with the Enrile crowd at S; with the Robredo, bankers, and business crowd at M; with the Pinoy/ Chinoy yuppies at B; with the gov't. bigwigs at A; etc..

So are you going to invite bankers, members of civic clubs, etc. to conduct their regular meetings in your shop? They can serve to anchor your business, you know. (This will entail some development cost.)

To help you with my 1st and 2nd points, just think about your market niche. You can't be everything to everybody, so what's your business focus?

In credit, you have 5 C's (capital, collateral, character, capacity to pay, conditions). In marketing you have 4 P's (price, promotion, product, place). Well, in business start-ups, you have 5 L's --- location, location, location, location, and location. Where in NC would you locate your business?

Finally, as I am wont to tell masteral students at AIM, all of the above is just wishful thinking without the round thing. So how much is your budget? Everything starts with that.

Just a hint --- no coffeeshop in NC offers internet facilities as an auxilliary service (so no real internet cafe, mind you!). They have wifi at Coffee Beanery & Beanbug, but you'll have to bring your laptops with you to enjoy the benefit. Not everybody would have that kind of expensive gadget.

P.S. Generally the above process would apply not only to putting up a coffeeshop, but to most startups. Perhaps you may want to invite me to your coffeeshop when you have already opened. I hope you would also serve the finest coffee in the world (to me) --- Philippine barako, wow!

Good luck!

bonixx

November 5th, 2006, 03:54 PM

i would suggest N.C's Hot Cafe! nikki Grab it! baka may magpAREGISTER na nyan sa DTI>aheheh

bobbymay74

November 6th, 2006, 12:59 AM

Just a hint --- no coffeeshop in NC offers internet facilities as an auxilliary service (so no real internet cafe, mind you!). They have wifi at Coffee Beanery & Beanbug, but you'll have to bring your laptops with you to enjoy the benefit. Not everybody would have that kind of expensive gadget.

Good luck!

I would agree on this, i haven't seen any internet cafe that offers a cafe and other food services. I had suggested this before to a friend in Mudbugs. But if your going to put up a Coffee shop with internet facilities, you will be the first one in Naga.:)
Good Luck!

kevinb

November 6th, 2006, 07:59 AM

I usually refrain from giving free advice on business start-ups because the investor heart is already heady and not romantic, as they say, and investors know best, so there is really no need for any advice. Moreover, strength of business character derives also from learning from the pain of mistakes.

Let us make an exception in your case, however, because a mistake can be costly and/ or fatal to one's financial wellbeing. (My personal advocacy is to help business in my home city. Accordingly, I don't wish for business closure of any sort as that would certainly be a sad development. So help as much as I can.)

Allow me to zero in on your planned coffeeshop, so I would think you have already mastered the basics of coffeeshop operation and are just raring to actually open one.

1st, you'll have to mind the competition.
Each of the coffeeshops in NC is complemented by auxilliary services like:
1. Starmark (catering, restaurant, eMall, Starmark Royale wedding coordination)
2. Mudbugs (billiard, cakehouse, wedding coordination)
3. Beanbug (Molino Grill & hotel near Panganiban bridge)
4. Aljosh Cafe (bar and restaurant, Robertson Mall)
5. R Cafe (Regent Hotel)
6. Coffee Beanery (the entire Avenue Square, ha-ha!)

Implication - you'll have to dig in with deeper pockets, or short of that, come up with other offerings and not just serve coffee. Competition apparently draws in the crowds precisely bcoz of complementary auxiliary services.

Which brings me to the 2nd point --- what's your crowd-drawer? Of course, it's not just serving the best coffee in the city, right? In short, what's the logic of your coffee business apart from the coffee?

Your place should be one where people would invariably want to be seen at, and so they have got to have a reason to be there. (like miggling with the Enrile crowd at S; with the Robredo, bankers, and business crowd at M; with the Pinoy/ Chinoy yuppies at B; with the gov't. bigwigs at A; etc..

So are you going to invite bankers, members of civic clubs, etc. to conduct their regular meetings in your shop? They can serve to anchor your business, you know. (This will entail some development cost.)

To help you with my 1st and 2nd points, just think about your market niche. You can't be everything to everybody, so what's your business focus?

In credit, you have 5 C's (capital, collateral, character, capacity to pay, conditions). In marketing you have 4 P's (price, promotion, product, place). Well, in business start-ups, you have 5 L's --- location, location, location, location, and location. Where in NC would you locate your business?

Finally, as I am wont to tell masteral students at AIM, all of the above is just wishful thinking without the round thing. So how much is your budget? Everything starts with that.

Just a hint --- no coffeeshop in NC offers internet facilities as an auxilliary service (so no real internet cafe, mind you!). They have wifi at Coffee Beanery & Beanbug, but you'll have to bring your laptops with you to enjoy the benefit. Not everybody would have that kind of expensive gadget.

P.S. Generally the above process would apply not only to putting up a coffeeshop, but to most startups. Perhaps you may want to invite me to your coffeeshop when you have already opened. I hope you would also serve the finest coffee in the world (to me) --- Philippine barako, wow!

Good luck!

Parang may lumalabas na dugo sa ilong ko ah. :D :jk: Pero ang galing huh?! I think this will help Nikki a lot. ;)

kevinb

November 6th, 2006, 08:07 AM

Welcome to Avida Communities fourth subdision in Naga City -- Paseo de San Igancio! :cheer:

kevinb

November 7th, 2006, 04:04 AM

Anyone has news of the upcoming Loyola Memorial Gardens here? I saw one tarpaulin of it near the Roberto's Food Express in Plaza Quezon. I'm a bit curious kasi parang dumadagdag ang Manila-based cemeteries dito eh. :D

Mond87

November 7th, 2006, 04:42 AM

bonixx

November 7th, 2006, 04:42 AM

Mond87

November 7th, 2006, 04:44 AM

Loyola-Big name, siguro 1st class memorial garden yan.^^

Hei bonixx, may nakita ka na bang memorial garden na may concert??? Heheh...

bonixx

November 7th, 2006, 04:47 AM

Hei bonixx, may nakita ka na bang memorial garden na may concert??? Heheh...

oo hahahaha! dito sa Lucena meron kaso galing naman sa chuch yung band solemn naman.

Mond87

November 7th, 2006, 04:53 AM

oo hahahaha! dito sa Lucena meron kaso galing naman sa chuch yung band solemn naman.

dito kasi sa Legazpi, may memorial park na may games at concert pa! Hindi solemn, talagang may halo pang rock songs... heheh... first time kasi namin sa pristine, tas nagulat kami nang may nag-concert. Kakaiba, kulang na lang maglagay pa sila ng swimming pool. At maybanner pa sila: "Happy All Saints' Day Celebration!" Hweh... Tama bang maging 'masaya' pag nagbibisita sa mga patay?

bonixx

November 7th, 2006, 05:02 AM

dito kasi sa Legazpi, may memorial park na may games at concert pa! Hindi solemn, talagang may halo pang rock songs... heheh... first time kasi namin sa pristine, tas nagulat kami nang may nag-concert. Kakaiba, kulang na lang maglagay pa sila ng swimming pool. At maybanner pa sila: "Happy All Saints' Day Celebration!" Hweh... Tama bang maging 'masaya' pag nagbibisita sa mga patay?

para sakin ok lang ng magsaya pero parang di naman tama yung magingay ahehehe, i refer sa St. Ferdinand,St.Ignatious,Lucena memorial,atLumang smenteryo.,,alam ko lang dito may perya at karnabal hahahaha! pero yung mga bagong sementeryo dito ok kasi sounds lang.

Mond87

November 7th, 2006, 05:11 AM

para sakin ok lang ng magsaya pero parang di naman tama yung magingay ahehehe, i refer sa St. Ferdinand,St.Ignatious,Lucena memorial,atLumang smenteryo.,,alam ko lang dito may perya at karnabal hahahaha! pero yung mga bagong sementeryo dito ok kasi sounds lang.

Di naman tlga maingay... ung rock songs kasi nila eh mejo malumbay lang naman. Pero parang natuwa ako kasi parang piesta ang dating...

bonixx

November 7th, 2006, 05:14 AM

Di naman tlga maingay... ung rock songs kasi nila eh mejo malumbay lang naman. Pero parang natuwa ako kasi parang piesta ang dating...

Fiesta is the word,piyesta ng mga patay.nagdiriwang ang mga buhay:lol:

Mond87

November 7th, 2006, 05:25 AM

Fiesta is the word,piyesta ng mga patay.nagdiriwang ang mga buhay:lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

kevinb

November 7th, 2006, 07:57 AM

Fiesta is the word,piyesta ng mga patay.nagdiriwang ang mga buhay:lol:

:rofl:

We'll wait for a segment here in Daraga!!! La pa kasi dito cafe and I think businesses are rosy in this town of 103,000.

I also think so. Kaso sobrang lapit ng Centro-Daraga sa Centro-Legazpi kaya instead of investing in Daraga, sa Legazpi na lang. Kaya Nikki, kung maglalagay ka ng branches all over Bicol, don't forget to put one in Daraga. :D

Loyola-Big name, siguro 1st class memorial garden yan.^^

Loyola is a big name. Sila rin ung may-ari ng Loyola Plans Consolidated (http://www.loyolaplans.com/ecomm/). ;)

Mond87

November 7th, 2006, 12:02 PM

:rofl:

I also think so. Kaso sobrang lapit ng Centro-Daraga sa Centro-Legazpi kaya instead of investing in Daraga, sa Legazpi na lang. Kaya Nikki, kung maglalagay ka ng branches all over Bicol, don't forget to put one in Daraga. :D

Loyola is a big name. Sila rin ung may-ari ng Loyola Plans Consolidated (http://www.loyolaplans.com/ecomm/). ;)

I don't know but there's something in Daraga that Legazpi lacks. Scroll down and you find...

...me. Heheh... 8)

nikki_18

November 7th, 2006, 06:43 PM

tnx po s mga ngbigay ng suggestions...those were really appreciated and its really a gr8 help s future bus namin...slamat po tlga!!

mgpopst ako d2 pgnatuloy business nmin!!

nikki_18

November 7th, 2006, 06:45 PM

koltuvtbm slamat s tulong mo ha..tnx po:)

mond87..yes im bak..kso bc n me mxado kya d na me maxado active d2...

i miss u guys!!

bonixx

November 7th, 2006, 07:10 PM

GOOD LUCK!

kevinb

November 8th, 2006, 01:43 AM

@Mond: Yabang! :lol:

@Nikki: Good luck. :) Post ka ng pics ng business niyo ha? :D

kevinb

November 8th, 2006, 01:45 AM

Diaz bows out as NBI Bicol chief
by RV Crisologo

NAGA CITY (7 November) -- Outgoing National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) Bicol regional director Ricardo Diaz personally extended his sincere and utmost thanks to the Naga City Peace and Order Council POC) during its regular meeting last October 31st.

Diaz said that the resolutions passed by CPOC and the city council among others that were forwarded to NBI Director Nestor Mantaring requesting for his retention as NBI Bicol top honcho, made him believed that he has done right as far as managing the affairs of the NBI office in Bicol is concerned.

Diaz was transferred last October 30 to the NBI national office to head the most sensitive position at the Criminal Intelligence Division and at the same time as NBI spokesperson.

Diaz in his brief stint as NBI Bicol director displayed outstanding performance in the campaign against all forms of criminality particularly illegal drugs

In Naga City and in Camarines Sur alone, the NBI chief for the period April to October 22, led the conduct of 34 search warrants operations against illegal drugs resulting to the arrest and prosecution of notorious drug personalities and solving numerous high profile murder cases.

Diaz was replaced by a fellow Bicolano from Albay, Atty. Carlos Saunar, a veteran crime fighter. (PIA Cams. Sur)

Source - Philippine Information Agency (http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&sec=news&r=&y=&mo=&fi=p061107.htm&no=36)

Mond87

November 8th, 2006, 03:21 AM

@Mond: Yabang! :lol:

@Nikki: Good luck. :) Post ka ng pics ng business niyo ha? :D

Totoo naman! Bakit may mond87 ba ang Legazpi? Wajaja... :lol:

Mond87

November 8th, 2006, 03:27 AM

koltuvtbm slamat s tulong mo ha..tnx po:)

mond87..yes im bak..kso bc n me mxado kya d na me maxado active d2...

i miss u guys!!

Let me use my learnings in Accountancy: Apply the 4 Ps!

P-roduct - you must have a specific product. One that is unique and satisfying. Cater to the needs of most customers. have a target market. Allure them w/ the right kinds of products. You must also determine what their likes and needs are.

P-ricing - Have a very affordable price. One that benefits you and your customers.

P-romotion - Advertise it! Give it a very catchy phrase. Having a good public relations will also promote your business as well...

P-lacing - find the right location. One that is accessible but not too expensive. I know a place here in Daraga just for you, ate nikki! In fact, I have alternatives...

kevinb

November 8th, 2006, 04:37 AM

Totoo naman! Bakit may mond87 ba ang Legazpi? Wajaja... :lol:

:rofl:

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WawaY[625]

November 8th, 2006, 04:38 AM

^^ ka IA ni XP

kevinb

November 8th, 2006, 04:51 AM

^^ Ui leche 'to ah. :lol: Akala ko naman may importanteng sasabihin kaya nagpost dito, un pala un lang. :lol:

kevinb

November 9th, 2006, 02:02 AM

Two Naga Swimmers in Asian Games

TWO young swimming sensations from Naga City are beefing up the official lineup of Filipino athletes to the 15th Asian Games set Dec. 1-15, 2006 in Doha, Qatar.

Gabriel ‘Bonus’ Bordado and Ernest ‘Enchong’ Dee, both 18 years old, will leave for Qatar on Nov. 28, along with the 10-member RP swimming team.

The Philippines is sending 229 athletes in 31 sports events that will be leaving on staggered basis starting Nov. 26 due to the reported limited space at the Asian Games Village.

Philippine Sports Commission chair William ‘Butch’ Ramirez said there are many promising names in the delegation, which he said is a good sign for the country because the athletes have already proven themselves in several international tournaments against the best in the world.

Both Bordado and Dee had won gold medals in various competitions in Southeast Asia and Australia and in the national games, notably the Palaro, since their boyhood years. Recently, Bordado shone brightly in the 2nd leg of the Philippine Youth Swimming Cup held at the Metro Naga Sports Complex early this month.

Dee who studies at De La Salle University in Manila is the younger brother of actor-celebrity AJ Dee. Equally good-looking, the younger Dee has on several occasion been featured in various national newspapers and glossy magazines as an upcoming young fashion model.

Bordado, a regular member of the RP swimming team, is a nephew of Naga City Vice Mayor Gabriel ‘Gabby’ Bordado.

Source (http://www.naga.gov.ph)

kevinb

November 9th, 2006, 10:19 AM

South railway upgrading to cost $1-B

NAGA CITY -- The total cost of upgrading the railways system from Calamba, Laguna to Legazpi City, could reach US$1 billion, according to a delegation of Chinese officials visiting here for an ocular inspection of the railway lines.

The upgrading and rehabilitation plan for the railway system includes extending the line down further south to Matnog, Sorsogon, where a ferry terminal to Visayas and Mindanao is located.

The project is set to get a loan from the People’s Republic of China, which signed a memorandum of understanding with the Philippines on June 5. Chinese companies and institutions will provide the technical and engineering expertise to implement the project.

Wang Yong, a representative of the Chinese government-owned National Technical Import & Export Corp. (NTIEC), said the US$1-billion estimate for upgrading the Philippine National Railway South Line had the assurance of commitment from China. The NTIEC builds railway systems, nuclear plants and other industrial projects around the world and has a 50-year track record.

Wang headed the Chinese delegation that included representatives from the China Rail 5th Design Institute who were introduced in a press conference here as Wang Li Hua and Pang Jian Wien.

Camarines Sur Representative Luis R. Villafuerte said the visit of Chinese officials was a follow-up to the June 5 signing of the memorandum of understanding between the governments of the Philippines. The MOU laid down the basis for a comprehensive cooperation between the two countries to rehabilitate and upgrade 542 kilometers of railways, from Calamba, Laguna to Matnog, Sorsogon. The Chinese government also agreed to lay the groundwork for the provision of a concessional buyer’s loan to the Philippines.

The agreement covers the rehabilitation and upgrading of the railroad, bridges and bends for faster, safer and efficient train services from Southern Tagalog up to the Matnog Ferry Terminal, the gateway to Visayas and Mindanao. At present, the ferry terminal is more than 100 kilometeres from the Legazpi City junction where the south railway stops.

Villafuerte said the contract between the PRC and GRP would be signed by December this year.

“An overhaul of the entire south railway will be implemented as new tracks will be put in place, curvatures minimized, 47 major and 143 minor bridges will be replaced and new railway stations built,” he said.

Villafuerte added that the objective was to enable the train to run at a minimum speed of 120 kilometers per hour to reduce travel time from Bicol to Manila by half. He said the project would mobilize thousands of workers and perk up economic and business activities.

Villafuerte said the project will start in February next year.

Source (http://business.inq7.net/money/breakingnews/view_article.php?article_id=31583)

kevinb

November 10th, 2006, 01:45 AM

4 troopers sanctioned for attack on precinct

NAGA CITY—An Army officer and three other soldiers were relieved after they allegedly attacked a police station on Tuesday evening here after policemen cited the troopers for riding a motorcycle with no registration plate and without crash helmets, the military reported yesterday.

Brig. Gen. Arnulfo Ilanan, deputy commander of the 9th Infantry Division, said they sanctioned Lt. Eric Culvera, Sgt. Raul Olaybal and PFCs Allan Desamero, and Larry Cosepe after they were found to have strafed the police station at Barangay Barlin here on Tuesday.

Ilanan said Culvera was relieved of his assignment and will not be eligible for any promotion for at least one year while Olaybal, Desamero and Cosepe will be demoted one rank lower.

Ilanan added the sanction was ordered after military investigators found that Olaybal, Desamero and Cosepe were cited for riding a motorcycle without a registration plate and without crash helmets.

The police impounded the motorcycle the soldiers were riding at the city police station and the soldiers reported the incident to Culvera, who proceeded to the police station to intercede in behalf of his men.

But while Culvera was talking with precinct officials, policemen assigned in the station noticed one of the three soldiers taking pictures of the police precinct and the apprehending policemen.

After Culvera left the precinct and one of its squad cars parked at Elias Angeles Street was fired at by men in civilian clothes. The policemen at the station returned gunfire but no one was hurt in the incident.

Mayor Jesse Robredo immediately complained to Ilanan and ordered city police chief Supt. Benjamin Suratos to investigate the incident. Ilanan recommended the establishment of a military liaison unit in the city to prevent a repetition of the incident. Mar Arguelles

Source (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=regions2_nov10_2006)

garzland

November 10th, 2006, 07:06 AM