2-0 tigers. :banana: Better watch out USC. Lightning and thunder are back and better than ever. :cheers:

The ACC has football teams? :tongue2:

Wolfpack football makes me :( lately

But I'll still go to the games, last year as an undergraduate

justin burke goes to nc state:) he used to go to lexington catholic as a highschooler

The ACC has football teams? :tongue2:



Yes, the ACC has football teams...with 12 national championships...

The ACC needs to create two divisions. Football schools don't play basketball and basketball schools don't play football. It would be easy on the eyes for everyone. Maryland and GT can field both teams if they so choose.

Football Divison
GT
VT
Clemson
Boston College
Florida State
Miami

Basketball Division
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
N.C State
Virginia
Maryland

The expansion messed up college basketball perfection.

On top of that, ACC football is still laughable. I hope John Swafford is enjoying his $$$$$$$

The problem with dat up there is Boston college is alwasy in the top 25 in basketball and Wake foreset just won the acc championship.....and i think duke should just quit football:) thats my opinion

The ACC needs to create two divisions. Football schools don't play basketball and basketball schools don't play football. It would be easy on the eyes for everyone. Maryland and GT can field both teams if they so choose.

Football Divison
GT
VT
Clemson
Boston College
Florida State
Miami

Basketball Division
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
N.C State
Virginia
Maryland

The expansion messed up college basketball perfection.

On top of that, ACC football is still laughable. I hope John Swafford is enjoying his $$$$$$$


Your idea is laughable...There are no "football schools" and "basketball schools" in case you haven't noticed. And did you get my last post? The ACC and its 12 FOOTBALL national championships?

Virginia has been ranked #1 in football as recently as the 1990's. GT has been to the Final 4 in basketball a couple of times in the last 10 years. Florida State had the ACC player of the year in basketball last year. Wake Forest had the Rookie of the Year and won the ACC championship in football...and had a losing record in basketball. UNC was ranked in the top 10 in the final football poll as recently as 5 years ago. Clemson started the year 20-0 in basketball last year. Boston College was ranked for the entire year in basketball.

lol, ACC football.

lol, ACC football.

WOW, excellent comeback! Your insight is really worthwhile...

The ACC is so bad this year. Even worse than last year.

FEAR THE TURTLE!
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lol, ACC football.

Wow, you're a moron. The ACC has been known historically to have some of the best football teams in the nation.

ACC vs. other BCS teams this season

week 1:

Connecticut 45
Duke 14

Georgia Tech 33
Notre Dame 3

week 2:

Nebraska 20
Wake Forrest 17

Oklahoma 51
Miami 13

LSU 48
Virginia Tech 7

Not even competitive in the majority of the matchups. ACC has never been known as a good football conference, just have good years every now and then. Out of the 6 BCS conferences the ACC is the worst and it has been that way for a couple years now.

How many national titles to ACC schools have while they were in the ACC? an earlier poster claimed 12, but does that take into account Miami before they joined the league?

ACC vs. other BCS teams this season

week 1:

Connecticut 45
Duke 14

Georgia Tech 33
Notre Dame 3

week 2:

Nebraska 20
Wake Forrest 17

Oklahoma 51
Miami 13

LSU 48
Virginia Tech 7

Not even competitive in the majority of the matchups. ACC has never been known as a good football conference, just have good years every now and then. Out of the 6 BCS conferences the ACC is the worst and it has been that way for a couple years now.

How many national titles to ACC schools have while they were in the ACC? an earlier poster claimed 12, but does that take into account Miami before they joined the league?

You conveniently left out:

Georgia Tech 69, Samford 14
Boston College 37, N.C. State 17
Clemson 49, Louisana-Monroe 26
FSU 34, UAB 24
UVA 24, Duke 13
Maryland 26, FIU 10

You point out all of the negatives of the league...and Wake Forest 17, Nebraska 20 is the EXCELLENT score of a competitive football game. It's not always about who won, but how they competed. And how many teams WOULD be able to compete with LSU and Oklahoma? Those two teams would blow out almost anyone.

You obviously are a fan of another league, so how bout STAYING OUT OF HERE and go support your team? Only a real loser lurks around and critcizes teams he isn't even interested in.

The ACC has 12 national championships. Period.

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Alright, I didn't know everyone would take my post so seriously. I was just observing that ACC football is a little down and made a joke out of it.

Take a stroll over to SEC football and make some kind of retarded comment like yours and see what happens...nobody likes crap like that.

You conveniently left out:

Georgia Tech 69, Samford 14
Boston College 37, N.C. State 17
Clemson 49, Louisana-Monroe 26
FSU 34, UAB 24
UVA 24, Duke 13
Maryland 26, FIU 10

You point out all of the negatives of the league...and Wake Forest 17, Nebraska 20 is the EXCELLENT score of a competitive football game. It's not always about who won, but how they competed. And how many teams WOULD be able to compete with LSU and Oklahoma? Those two teams would blow out almost anyone.

You obviously are a fan of another league, so how bout STAYING OUT OF HERE and go support your team? Only a real loser lurks around and critcizes teams he isn't even interested in.

The ACC has 12 national championships. Period.

Do you know what a BCS team is? ACC teams are obviously going to beat teams like FIU, we're held to a much higher standard. There's no doubting the ACC is a good conference, we're just not as good as most other major conferences this year.

Also, why do you frequently make posts that are so goddamn stupid?

Wait a couple of years, the ACC will be back up where it used to be. Obviously we're going through a slump, but historically the ACC has been up there.

sprtluver dont take this the wrong way but, i thot it was funnty wen u posted scores that guy left out:UVA 24, Duke 13 and Boston College 37, N.C. State 17. Cuz an ACC team had to win there no matter wat.

sprtluver dont take this the wrong way but, i thot it was funnty wen u posted scores that guy left out:UVA 24, Duke 13 and Boston College 37, N.C. State 17. Cuz an ACC team had to win there no matter wat.

At least he can spell properly. :lol:

acc = ass clown conference. they're like the snotty little brother who always gets beat up by the big brother, in this case, the sec is the big brother.

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p.s. although i will admit it is a thing of beauty when there's a good inter-acc passing game battle.

^^Next lesson kids. Never smoke crack or else you'll turn into lsyd. And how many times has Clemson beaten USC in the last 10 years?

^^Next lesson kids. Never smoke crack or else you'll turn into lsyd. And how many times has Clemson beaten USC in the last 10 years?

too many and all due to luck.

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2-0 tigers. :banana: Better watch out USC. Lightning and thunder are back and better than ever. :cheers:

Who has Clemson beaten? A Florida State team at home that had to rally in Tallahassee against UAB?

lol you just sing your oogie boogie song gman lol

^^I love that song. :D

that was fast...a little too fast

The ACC needs to create two divisions. Football schools don't play basketball and basketball schools don't play football. It would be easy on the eyes for everyone. Maryland and GT can field both teams if they so choose.

Football Divison
GT
VT
Clemson
Boston College
Florida State
Miami

Basketball Division
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
N.C State
Virginia
Maryland

The expansion messed up college basketball perfection.

On top of that, ACC football is still laughable. I hope John Swafford is enjoying his $$$$$$$

The ACC already has 2 divisions. One is supposedly more basketball heavy and the other more football heavy. The only problem is nobody anticipated how bad Miami, FSU and Virginia Tech were going to be this season.

Wait a couple of years, the ACC will be back up where it used to be. Obviously we're going through a slump, but historically the ACC has been up there.
That is a well-educated response. People on both sides of the "debate" (if that's what it is???) like to create "history lessons" supporting their own viewpoint alone but inevitably leave out several less agreeable key factors involved. Why can't we just let each year play out as it will and take the facts of history for what they are - history. All the talk in the world is not going to change what happens on the field or court each week.:cheers1:

The ACC already has 2 divisions. One is supposedly more basketball heavy and the other more football heavy. The only problem is nobody anticipated how bad Miami, FSU and Virginia Tech were going to be this season.

This assessment two weeks into the season. That's intelligence at its best!

sprtluver dont take this the wrong way but, i thot it was funnty wen u posted scores that guy left out:UVA 24, Duke 13 and Boston College 37, N.C. State 17. Cuz an ACC team had to win there no matter wat.

I was simply posting relevant scores...and I'm not sure how you wanted me to take your nastiness, but it doesn't bother me. Hell, I can't even read half the posts in this forum because I've blocked all of the idiots that I've come in contact with...it makes my visits to skyscrapercity much more enjoyable to eliminate the flakes.

What is that annoying chant that Clemson fans do ?

What is that annoying chant that Clemson fans do ?

R-E-D-N-E-C-K-S? That one?

This assessment two weeks into the season. That's intelligence at its best!

Oklahoma 51 Miami 13
LSU 48 Virginia Tech 7

The season is more than 15% gone, my friend.

What is that annoying chant that Clemson fans do ?

It's not annoying, unlike me. It's a classic. :D

hahahah im still lafing r-e-d-n-e-c-k-s, i think they prefer unedjumacated people

Haha, nice joke that could easily be applied to any southern university. You'd better be careful what you say in that regard though because Clemson University is making serious advances on a global level. My experience with the school is that it is much more multiculturally integrated than several major southern universities.:)

Just for fun, check out some of the "babes" at Clemson (http://www.southernfriedfootball.com/Babes/2007_1.html).

dont worry i know wen i can do my redneck jokes, im not a redneck, but most of my relatives are rednecks:)

Yes, 15% would equal about 2 weeks. You're amazing!

Yes, 15% would equal about 2 weeks. You're amazing!

In football you lose a game or two and the season's potential is greatly diminished. Face it, the ACC is very weak this season.

In football you lose a game or two and the season's potential is greatly diminished. Face it, the ACC is very weak this season.


That's why the BCS is BS! It shouldn't matter whether a conference is weak or not, what matters is that you have the BEST team. The only way to determine that is through a playoff system. Whose to say by the end of the year, that Miami rights it ships and begins to play Miami caliber football or that GT or Clemson might acutally be top 5 teams.

It happens all the time in college basketball, a team gets crushed during the regular season and wins the NCAA championship. On a given year, many times the ACC, SEC or Big Ten, etc have had "the best" conference in college basketball with six or seven teams making the bracket of 64 with neither team from the "best" conference making it to the championship game.

The BCS to a degree is very similar to the Heisman Trophy, notable football teams and programs get the benefit of the doubt (many times rightfully so) which utimately becomes a popularity contest. Albeit, the BCS formula has improved over the last couple of years.

For the record, ACC football has ranked either the #1 or #2 conference in college football based on the non-biased Sagarin report over the last couple of years.

This is a down year with Miami, FSU & VT not being the typical powerhouses they're noted for. But, this happens to all programs, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc.

Miami & FSU are probably the easiest programs to rebuild, given the talent rich state of Florida.

WHAT HAPPENED?
Football is flat again in the ACC

Recruiting, coaching, QBs lagging in league, say experts

KEN TYSIAC
ktysiac@charlotteobserver.com

The crawler across the bottom of the TV sets Saturday read like a horror novel for ACC football boosters.

Oklahoma 51, Miami 13 ... Louisiana State 48, Virginia Tech 7 ... East Carolina 34, North Carolina 31 ... Nebraska 20, Wake Forest 17.

The beating the conference took in high-profile, nonconference games confirmed that adding Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College in its recent expansion hasn't raised the level of football in the league as anticipated.

In 2006, ACC teams were 6-16 against opponents from other BCS conferences. This season, ACC teams are 1-4 against BCS foes heading into tonight's game between Maryland and West Virginia.

Some measurable quantities -- recruiting ratings, the pedigree of the league's coaches and the quality of its quarterbacks -- suggest that the ACC's difficulties shouldn't be surprising.

According to scout.com, ACC teams combined for just five top-10 recruiting rankings in the past five years. The SEC led with 18, and the Pac-10, Big 12 and Big Ten all had at least seven.

Another site, rivals.com, shows the ACC with seven top-10 classes, one-third that of the SEC during the same period. Rivals.com national recruiting analyst Mike Farrell said former coaches such as Chuck Amato at N.C. State and Larry Coker at Miami miscalculated by recruiting away from their traditional bases.

"The ACC, it's a geographic issue now that they're more stretched out (after expansion)," Farrell said. "Sometimes that helps out, but sometimes it gets schools away from what they do best, which is recruiting in their own state."

The Associated Press Top 25 shows that recruiting ratings can accurately predict success on the field. No. 1 Southern California had three No. 1 classes in the past five years, according to rivals.com and scout.com.

No. 2 LSU and No. 3 Oklahoma each had four top-10 classes. Nobody in the ACC had more than two, according to scout.com.

Scout.com national recruiting analyst Allen Wallace isn't sold on the idea that recruiting rankings predict success.

Wallace, also the longtime editor and publisher of SuperPrep Magazine, said Georgia Tech had just two top-50 classes according to SuperPrep in the past five years, but crushed perennial recruiting power Notre Dame in South Bend, Ind.

Michigan, 0-2 with a loss to Appalachian State, has five straight top-10 classes, according to SuperPrep.

"I'm in the recruiting business," Wallace said, "but I'd be the first person to tell you that this is a coach's game."

Quality of coaching is a subjective matter. But if you rate conferences based on their number of national champion coaches, the ACC is lagging.

The SEC has four coaches who have won or shared a national title (Phil Fulmer, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier), plus another who finished undefeated in 2004 at Auburn in Tommy Tuberville.

Three Big Ten coaches (Lloyd Carr, Joe Paterno and Jim Tressel), two Big 12 coaches (Mack Brown and Bob Stoops) and two Pac-10 coaches (Pete Carroll and Dennis Erickson) have won or shared national titles. Florida State's Bobby Bowden is the only ACC coach who has won a national title.

In the ACC, Florida State and Miami illustrate how teams can fail on the field despite high recruiting rankings. Miami has had five straight top-16 classes, according to SuperPrep, and Florida State has had three classes rated No. 11 or higher in the past four years.

Those once-elite programs both are 8-7 over the past two seasons.

"If you believe in Harry Truman, the buck has to stop at the head man's desk, and those men are hiring the staffs and organizing the programs so they will work in the desired way," Wallace said.

On the field, the buck stops with the quarterback, a position where ACC teams have been inadequate.

Miami, N.C. State and Virginia Tech have changed their starting quarterbacks, and Virginia has burned freshman Peter Lalich's redshirt year because sophomore Jameel Sewell has been ineffective.

Recruiting rankings of the ACC's quarterbacks coming out of high school suggest that their struggles should have been anticipated. Scout.com rates players by giving them between one and five stars to predict their likelihood of success in college.

Five-star players are the nation's elite, and one-star players are often considered gambles by coaches at top programs. Seven of the top 10 teams in the AP poll have quarterbacks who were five-star or four-star recruits.

Of the 12 ACC starters last week, none was a five-star recruit and three were four-star recruits. Contrast that with SEC teams, which are starting two five-star players and five four-star players, and you understand that the ACC might have a talent gap at the game's most important position.

"That's something I've said for a few years," said scout.com regional analyst Miller Safrit. "(ACC teams) haven't been able to pick up the big quarterbacks. They've got good quarterbacks, but were not able to get the quarterbacks that can take you to the next level."

There is hope for the future. The ACC's freshman class includes five-star quarterback recruit Tyrod Taylor (Virginia Tech) and four-star quarterbacks Lalich, Willy Korn (Clemson), Mike Paulus (North Carolina), Robert Marve (Miami) and Josh Nesbitt (Georgia Tech).

"It's got to get better," Farrell said. "It can't get worse. Honestly, the last two or three years, quarterback play in the ACC has been as bad as it's ever been."

Recruiting deficit?

The ACC was 6-16 against BCS conference teams last season and is 1-4 heading into tonight's game between Maryland and West Virginia. Here are the number of top-10 recruiting classes for BCS conferences over the past five years:

The Turtles are going to do the ACC proud tonight against the Mountain People.

Attached is the Sagarin rating link. Scroll to College Football ratings for conferences. The ACC was actually the top rated conference in football for 2003 & 2004. This is their worse year by far as so goes the tide and other conferences.

This is not a science but I think it's about a fair shake as it gets.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin-archive.htm

I'm a Maryland Terrapin fan and WVA really tore that A$$ up last night. It's about coaching and recruiting and I think most of the ACC schools have finally gotten decent coaches, so look for the recruits to follow. Especially here in NC, where many top rated HS recruits attend more prominent programs out of state.

What was funny about last night - Staton was going to attend the U of MD but MD withdrew his scholarship (thinking they had too many RB), so he ended up going to WVA. I'm a MD fan, but I felt good for him and the old revenge factor.

The Turtles are going to do the ACC proud tonight against the Mountain People.

NVM

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ACC far from elite so far this season

By Steve Megargee, Rivals.com College Football Staff Writer

BATON ROUGE, La. – Atlantic Coast Conference supporters like to point to the results of the past two NFL Drafts as evidence that it's one of the nation's toughest football conferences.

The results on the field suggest otherwise.

Sure, the ACC has produced 18 first-round draft picks the past two years to lead all conferences. But even though the ACC annually features some of the nation's top players, it certainly doesn't have any of the nation's elite programs.

The ACC hasn't produced a legitimate national-title contender since its latest round of expansion in 2004. The ACC went a combined 6-16 in non-conference games against BCS schools last year and didn't have a team ranked higher than No. 18 (Wake Forest) in the final Associated Press poll.

This weekend gave the ACC a fresh start to prove that a dreadful 2006 was nothing more than an aberration. The league instead provided more evidence to support the growing national perception that it's the weakest of the six BCS conferences.

Three of the ACC's best teams played non-conference games against ranked opponents. The ACC lost all three games - by a combined score of 119-37.

Miami's highly regarded defense allowed Oklahoma redshirt freshman quarterback Sam Bradford to throw five touchdown passes in a 51-13 loss to the fifth-ranked Sooners.

At least that game was competitive at halftime. No. 2 LSU reeled off 24 consecutive points in the first 19 minutes on its way to a 48-7 triumph over a ninth-ranked Virginia Tech team that had led the nation in total defense each of the last two years.

"I guess we came out really flat," Virginia Tech defensive end Orion Martin said afterward. "They got on top of us, and we could not recover."

Only Wake Forest managed to stay close to a ranked opponent. The reigning ACC champions did the conference proud once again by nearly upsetting Nebraska 20-17 in a game the Demon Deacons likely could have won if starting quarterback Riley Skinner hadn't been hurt.

Then again, it's a testament to how far the ACC has fallen that a home loss by Wake Forest is seen in some circles as something of a moral victory for the conference.

Those three games only scratch the surface of the ACC's troubles. Instead of standing toe-to-toe with other BCS programs, ACC teams struggled to tread water against Conference USA also-rans this weekend.

East Carolina quarterback Patrick Pinkney threw for 406 yards and three touchdowns in his first career start as the Pirates beat North Carolina 34-31 despite missing three field goals. Florida State had to rally from a two-touchdown deficit to pull out a 34-24 victory over UAB, which has lost eight consecutive games.

"There's a lot of year left," Florida State coach Bobby Bowden said of the conference's lost weekend. "You can't base everything on one week."

The bad news for the ACC actually started a week earlier.


That's when Virginia began its season by losing 23-3 to Wyoming, a Mountain West Conference team coming off a 6-6 season. A few hours later, North Carolina State opened with a 25-23 loss to UCF, a Conference USA school that went 4-8 last year.
The ACC's signature non-conference victory thus far is Georgia Tech's 30-3 whipping of a Notre Dame team that could struggle to finish .500 this season. The Yellow Jackets are the highest-ranked ACC team in the latest Associated Press poll, at No. 15. Each of the other five BCS conferences have two teams in the top 10.

Georgia Tech is the only ACC school ranked among the nation's top 46 teams in total offense, which continues a troubling trend for the league. Clemson was the only ACC team to place in the top 49 in total offense last year. No ACC schools finished among the top 50 teams in that category in 2005.

ACC boosters like to point out that the league's outstanding defenses make things difficult for any offense. That argument carried plenty of weight last season, when five ACC schools ranked among the nation's top 18 teams in total defense. Those words lost much of their merit Saturday when two of the league's best defenses – Virginia Tech and Miami – gave up a combined 99 points in non-conference losses.

This sure wasn't how the ACC envisioned starting its season.

Florida State tailback Antone Smith called the ACC and the Southeastern Conference the nation's two best leagues during the ACC's preseason Media Days gathering. Georgia Tech tailback Tashard Choice boasted that the ACC had as much talent as any league in the nation.

Choice has done his part to back up that statement. He gained 196 yards in that season-opening victory over Notre Dame and currently ranks ninth in the nation in rushing.

He isn't the only ACC standout playing on an unbeaten team.

Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan leads one of the most talented teams in Chestnut Hill since the Doug Flutie era. James Davis and C.J. Spiller give Clemson one of the nation's top tailback duos. Those star performers could lead their teams to breakthrough seasons that could help the ACC regain respectability by the end of the season.

Maybe one of those teams can deliver the attention-getting nonconference victory over a top 25 program that eluded Virginia Tech, Miami and Wake Forest this weekend.

Until that happens, ACC players and coaches may want to stop bragging about the strength of their league. After all, the ACC's dismal non-conference performance speaks for itself.

Steve Megargee is a national writer for Rivals.com. He can be reached at smegargee@rivals.com.

FALLING BEHIND
The Atlantic Coast Conference lags far behind its BCS brethren in non-conference records against BCS opponents since the start of the 2006 season (games against Notre Dame, which went 7-5 against BCS opponents, are included):
Conference W-L Pct.
Big East 17-9 .640
Pac-10 14-9 .609
SEC 17-12 .586
Big Ten 12-14 .462
Big 12 11-15 .423
ACC 7-21 .259

Someone would have to be the village idiot to think that Miami & FSU will not rise back to the top very soon. I think the surprise programs in the ACC in the next few years will be NC & NC State. Many recruits are going to stay in the area.

The only game that's surprised me was the LSU - Va Tech game. I thought it'd be a closer game. Miami, NCSU and NC all have first year coaches, new schemes, etc. they'll improve at the year progresses.

There's plenty of talent in the league, there's absolutely an abundance of talent in these areas. Butch Davis (new NC coach) reminds me of Mack Brown in terms of recruiting. He's already convinced several highly rated recruits in the RDU & NC area to change their decisions.

The ACC will be back and if the coaching can remain stable, there will be some national champions coming from the conference.

The Clemson Tigers are becoming very balanced on offense and with slight improvements in certain positions, they can expect to have a tremendous season. They are likely more talented overall than any team they will have to face this season, so it is only a matter of putting all the pieces together and staying injury free to make it to the Orange Bowl. Yes, they have that much potential this season.:)

Looks like a good day for the ACC with FSU taking out Alabama and Maryland roughing up Rutgers.

The Clemson Tigers are becoming very balanced on offense and with slight improvements in certain positions, they can expect to have a tremendous season. They are likely more talented overall than any team they will have to face this season, so it is only a matter of putting all the pieces together and staying injury free to make it to the Orange Bowl. Yes, they have that much potential this season.:)

You jinxed it. :bash:

How about those http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/CULogo_01.gif Tigers? Incredible balance and tough defense. :)

C-L-E-M-S-O-N!!!! :D

N...C...STATE

NC STATE!

:cheers:

N...C...STATE

NC STATE!

:cheers:

:lol: NC State has a football team? Since when?

Longer than you've had a basketball team :)

^ouch :)

Longer than you've had a basketball team :)

That's ok. I don't like basketball anyways. :)