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spongeg
September 10th, 2007, 06:58 AM
found this article...

It's easier to get to New York than Vancouver, B.C.
By D. PARVAZ
P-I COLUMNIST

The sad truth about getting to Vancouver, B.C., from Seattle is that in transit time alone, you could fly to New York in less time than it takes to drive the 142 miles between the downtowns of the two cities. It's emblematic of the U.S.'s oddly isolated worldview -- there's us, and then there's who? Where? Huh?

Going up about once a month for eight years to visit my family, I've become a pro, albeit a battered and bruised one, at this game. And after reading that construction, border lane reductions and security issues will further gum up the works, I figured I'd offer newbs heading north a few pointers.


Count on a six-hour commute

You can travel by air, water or land, but unless you care to spend time in Victoria, the ferry isn't for you. Flying is great, if you can afford it. The Amtrak train is an option if you don't mind being at the station by 7 a.m. and aren't on a schedule on the other end. Which leaves buses -- the two main lines being Cantrail (which contracts with Amtrak) and Greyhound.

Unless you plan on driving up on your own in the dead of night (not a bad idea), you can't count on arriving in downtown Vancouver within the two hours, 37 minutes predicted by Mapquest. It might happen (not likely). There's traffic and long lines at the border. Even if the border is clear, you might hit the dreaded shift change, which could take as long as 20 minutes. Also, if you sus out a fellow passenger who might look squirrelly to a cop, brace yourself. The extra TLC lavished upon them by agents will delay your departure.


The laws of gravity apply

It takes more effort and energy to go up (north) than it does to come down (south). Well, at least when taking a Cantrail bus. Going north, the buses wait for Amtrak trains arriving from wherever. And for a variety of reasons (mechanical issues, weather, freight trains hogging the tracks) those trains are as irregular as Britney Spears' period, which means that these "connector" buses tend to leave quite late when heading north. Your best bet is hitting Greyhound's mid-day express bus. When heading to the U.S., however, Cantrail waits for nothing and no one.


Follow Paris Hilton's prison rules

If reports had it right, Hilton was so paranoid about being seen urinating while in prison that she limited her fluid intake. Should you wish to avoid the throbbing pain of a full bladder when returning to the U.S. by bus, do the same. The loo at the U.S. Peace Arch Border Inspection Station (aka Port of Entry) has not been available to the public for years, neither has the bathroom at the Pacific Highway crossing. "It's a security thing," said Mike Milne, a U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman. "People could leave explosives and stuff in there." He adds that you could plead your case with the agents on hand. Given how appealing most bus bathrooms are -- flashlights, Purell and one's own supply of TP are often required -- the border office is what most passengers hold out for, especially after being stuck in traffic for hours. Oh well. Welcome to America. Hope you don't soil your pants.


Don't mess with border agents

Border agents share a curious unpredictability with a go-go dancer coming off a meth binge. You might get a quiet, low-energy officer or a tweaking "Don't make me give you a cavity search" officer. I'm not saying border agents do drugs. I'm saying that they're unpredictable and that's probably part of the game (Canadian guards are reliably ornery).

Don't do what I did and try to cross without a passport and/or every piece of ID, every scrap of paper that could prove your legitimate standing. Bring it all. Third-grade yearbook? Sure. Oh, also, don't sass the agents, don't openly sneer at the framed photos of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney and do not use the words "bomb" or "Allah" for any reason whatsoever. Just trust me.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/parvaz/330809_parvaz08.html

worldwide
September 10th, 2007, 08:52 AM
twice in august i took the bus down. one time we waited over three hours before we could even get off the bus and go into the customs office. took from 10am until 5:30 to actually get to seattle.

the other time i took the 5:30 cantrail bus and got into seattle before 9

its hit or miss really but sometimes busses have the upper hand on travel time vs driving if theres no busses lined up

clooless
September 10th, 2007, 09:41 AM
That's just screwed up. I've never waited longer than an hour to cross the border, but I always time my crossings for the best possible wait. If I want to spend the day in Seattle, we leave early in the morning. It just makes sense.

There have been times when I've driven out to Abbotsford to cross at Sumas because it is very rarely busy, at least at the times I've crossed. It is a lovely drive to Bellingham along that route.

I would never take the bus. Ever. The one time I did take the bus to visit my aunt in Anacortes we waited for hours before passing through inspection.

I'd like to suggest the train, but I have never taken it and I don't know anyone that has. Thoughts?

Spoolmak
September 11th, 2007, 09:34 AM
That's just screwed up. I've never waited longer than an hour to cross the border, but I always time my crossings for the best possible wait. If I want to spend the day in Seattle, we leave early in the morning. It just makes sense.

There have been times when I've driven out to Abbotsford to cross at Sumas because it is very rarely busy, at least at the times I've crossed. It is a lovely drive to Bellingham along that route.

I would never take the bus. Ever. The one time I did take the bus to visit my aunt in Anacortes we waited for hours before passing through inspection.

I'd like to suggest the train, but I have never taken it and I don't know anyone that has. Thoughts?

you think you're the only one with that idea? Lol.

clooless
September 11th, 2007, 10:20 AM
you think you're the only one with that idea? Lol.

And? What is your point?

spongeg
September 12th, 2007, 01:27 AM
my friend has taken the train

its about 4 hours - there is only one train a day though and it leaves at 6 pm or so

he liked it - he said they look at your passport and stuff on the train during the trip

isaidso
September 17th, 2007, 07:50 AM
That's just screwed up. I've never waited longer than an hour to cross the border, but I always time my crossings for the best possible wait.

An hour? I had no idea your border situation was such an ordeal. I've never had to wait more than 15 minutes. Finland, France, even the USA. To wait an hour to cross into the USA, I'm amazed people bother to cross at all.

mr.x
September 17th, 2007, 07:55 AM
An hour? I had no idea your border situation was such an ordeal. I've never had to wait more than 15 minutes. Finland, France, even the USA. To wait an hour to cross into the USA, I'm amazed people bother to cross at all.

Well on the Canadian side at Peace Arch, they're reducing the lanes from 7 to 4 for two years because of a $70-million Canadian border building redevelopment project in time for the Olympics. By the time it's done, there should be 10 lanes.

I went down to Seattle in July and I had to wait more than 2 hours to cross to the U.S. side. We even woke up early, got there at 7 am, and there was a line 3 kms long and 3-cars thick. It took about an hour to get back to Canada, at around 7 pm.

nova9
September 17th, 2007, 09:26 AM
Isn't it always easier to come back to Canada anyways just by pure numbers - fewer people entering canada compared with all the canadians heading down to the states to shop?

Huhu
September 17th, 2007, 09:32 AM
Isn't it always easier to come back to Canada anyways just by pure numbers - fewer people entering canada compared with all the canadians heading down to the states to shop?
Uh... don't those Canadians have to come back home too?

nova9
September 17th, 2007, 05:14 PM
no, because people disappear when they head down there. lol. i think even if you count them coming back, it still has a lot to do with sheer numbers.

skysdalimit
September 18th, 2007, 04:54 AM
What's the easiest way to get to Vancouver from Bellingham? Would it be smart to cross at a crossing out of the way?

Huhu
September 18th, 2007, 05:19 AM
^^ You could try the truck crossing, sometimes it's faster. Always have your radio tuned to a traffic station like AM730 (for Vancouver) when you're getting close.

deasine
September 19th, 2007, 02:07 AM
i think there are ways in navigation yourself around the side streets to make ur wait times faster in the truck customs area. The Abbotsford crossing is another viable option... not too may go there.

Isn't the US reducing their lanes because of counstruction too? I've heard it on global news after the labour day.

spongeg
September 20th, 2007, 07:56 AM
we went down for black friday shopping last year we left before 4 am got to the border about 4:15 am and had to wait about 45 minutes at 4 in the morning!! - it seemed half of vancouver decided to hit the sales - i hate to think how bad the line ups will be this year with the dollar up so high

when the outlet mall opened we went down before 6 am and the border was insane too - we got to the border guy he said where are you going we said the new outlet mall - he didn't even really look at out passports or ask anything he just said good luck finding parking there - lol and waved us through - seems most everyone was heading to the same place

deasine
September 20th, 2007, 08:26 AM
Well expect more border line ups... the Canadian Dollar is at 0.9769 as of right now.

spongeg
September 20th, 2007, 08:51 AM
yes

plan on going down friday after my friend gets off work :)

Vancouverite
September 21st, 2007, 09:37 AM
The Canadian Dollar reached parity with the US Dollar today.

skysdalimit
September 27th, 2007, 09:34 PM
Do you have to have a passport now to get into Canada or just your birth certificate?

Daguy
September 27th, 2007, 10:13 PM
No not yet if it is a land crossing. Passports are only required for travel by air; however, this will be changing pretty soon as the start date for passports at the border is Jan. 1, 2008.

Alex Von Königsberg
November 5th, 2007, 09:06 PM
I crossed the border by car on 25 October by taking WA-539/BC-13 and it took roughly 15 minutes to go to Canada (around 18:00 on Thursday) and 50 minutes to come back to the USA (at 09:00 on the following Sunday). I knew a lot of Canadians drive to the US to shop on weekends, but I didn't have any choice.

spongeg
November 15th, 2007, 05:11 AM
ok so we found this out - you can cross into the USA on a recently expired passport until January 2008

I drove down and my passport was expired in october of this year - anyway the guy at the border sent me inside - apparently the dog sniffed "something" and i still have no idea what it was as they searched my car thouroughly - damaging it in the process - and sent me on my way - anyway while searching they found my passport in my bag - i only used my dl and birth cert to go across and the guy brought it inside and asked why i didn't use it and i said its expired and he said i could use it blah blah blah

and I was like oh i was unaware

anyway the ordeal was about 45 minutes i guess - they said thanks for your cooperation and sent me off after grilling me for what seemed forever

my friend had gone down by train in the afternoon and he said his crossing was simple the guy looked at his passport which was expired and didn't even mention anything about it being expired and said have nice trip

coming back into Canada was simple and again used the expired passport no problems

whats odd or annoying is we phoned Canada customs before leaving and they told us we couldn't use an expired passport to cross and the US said you can use it but its the officers discrection

anyway not planning to cross until i have a new passport

gameseven07
August 5th, 2008, 09:46 PM
What's the penalty for crossing the line without going through a checkpoint? Apparently some people in White Rock sneak across to Blaine, sometimes along the railway tracks, and they never get caught.

I've also heard of people crossing the beach at lowest tide especially when lowest tide is overnight

G5man
August 5th, 2008, 11:07 PM
If we want true border protection, we would have been enforcing instead of being paranoid about what is in someone's vehicle first of all. That is half of the picture is that we can give expired identification and still get through the border. Also, without proper fencing, it is easy to get across without being caught. Until they start enforcing identification, enough of the paranoia and enforce one thing at a time and don't say one thing and then all of a sudden not do it.

spongeg
August 6th, 2008, 09:43 AM
What's the penalty for crossing the line without going through a checkpoint? Apparently some people in White Rock sneak across to Blaine, sometimes along the railway tracks, and they never get caught.

I've also heard of people crossing the beach at lowest tide especially when lowest tide is overnight

i don't know how they could do that along the tracks - they run right next to the US customs/imm building - basically just next to the outside car lane

they have lots of high tech equipment too - like heat detecting, infared, videos, air surveilannce etc. on the US side

people do do it and I suppose they don't get caught but its pretty heavily watched