I wish Lyon will win UCL this season so that some of the total construction cost is financed from unexpected source :nuts:

http://www.grandstadeol.com/media/4/b/c/4bcd7077bfd06,plan_masse_apd.jpg
http://www.grandstadeol.com/media/4/b/d/4bd06c4e286ca,vue_gradins3.jpg
http://www.grandstadeol.com/media/4/b/d/4bd198b39255c,vue_gradins1.jpg

^^ Euro2016 in France

^^ Tu vas nous faire tous les threads ?? :lol:

En plus t'as oublié le principal: Le thread du SDF ;) !

^^ Tu vas nous faire tous les threads ?? :lol:

En plus t'as oublié le principal: Le thread du SDF ;) !
Ben oui, enfin ceux que je connaisais, c'est plus sympa pour la promo de notre Euro.


in english:
parcdesprinces asked me if I will do that promotion for all threads and he said that I've missed the SdF (Stade de France)

I just answered: yes, theses I know, it is more friendly to promote our Euro.

^^ Don't worry, I just "promote" French bid Euro (hehe) on the Stade de France' thread ! :yes:

PARIS - Stade de France (81,338) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=353570) :cheers:

Horrible,fake Alianz arena

Horrible,fake Alianz arena


jealous :)

I like. Fun looking roof.

some newspaper yesterday said the capacity would be 57.000.
Oh I'm lost!!!!!!!!!!!

LYON
Population (agglomération): 1.417.000
Stade: Grand Stade OL
Capacité nette UEFA: 57.628
Livraison: décembre 2013
Budget: 320 M EUR (stade neuf)

Mais capacité de 62,000 en mode championnat :)
Ca fait plaisir de te revoir Vilak!

Thanks IronMan89!

Aulas must be relieved we got euro 2016.
There's no way this stadium can't be built I think. kind of "superior national interest" I bet.

What is the rumor(or news article) that the capacity will be (reduced to) 57K? Is that true?

As I said previously but in french (sorry) 57K will be the capacity in UEFA standards during EURO2016... For all Ligue 1 matches etc it is 62K

^^ Indeed !
62K=61,556 (gross cap) is also in UEFA standards (Champions league, Ligue 1 etc)
57K=57,628 is the net cap. only during Euro !

the capacity is reduced for safety meaning or for comfort?

^^ Additional press seats + additional VIP seats during Euro !

You mean a few thousand seats are reserved for safety zone with no attendance sitting in order to prevent collision between home and away fans as we see in Champions League? Anyway that's a relief. Lyon must have more than 60K brand-new stadia and they deserve it.

Already said sorry :)

any news on when the construction will start? now that franco won the euro 2016 bid it should be soon

The construction will start during Summer 2011 according to the calendar of the project (certainly end of 2011 to be more realistic)

The delays come from a financial issue

The OL-Land Project (stadium, hotels, buildings, shops...) is paid by the club and his partners (~450M€). But the access for the stadiums (roads, tram, car parks...) are paid by the agglomeration community and by the french authorities (~200M€)

Some politicians and associations don't want to pay so much for a private project helped and built with public funds.
That's why they found legal fault (zoning) and weaknesses (lack of transports, noise, trafic disturbtion...) which delayed the start of the construction

The OL Land Team had to change the entire legal file in order to avoid new complaints
The Mayor of Lyon decided this time to take his time and to be more cautious concerning te legal issues of the project in order to deliver the new stadium in time like he said last week : December, 8th 2013

But we know there are always delays so certainly beginning of 2014

http://www.grandstadeol.com/IMG//images/10.02.05_nouvelle_toiture.jpg

i don't believe that schedule calendar will be respected! some problems remain (transports access, environment , financement)

Really great looking stadium, Lyon deserve a nice stadium like this, perfect capacity also.

New renders :

http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/image/thumb/1314
http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/image/thumb/1313
http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/image/thumb/1312

nice stadium!

a video:

http://www.tele-magineurs.com/OL/v2/OL_video_grand_stade.html

http://www.grandstadeol.com/IMG//pdf/cd-presse/11.01.28%20grand%20stade%20-%20conference%20de%20presse%2028.01.2011%20definitive.pdf

pdf summarizes the project

So cap. is 58,000?

Distance at the sides 9,25. At the goal stands 11m and at the corners 8,035m
(page 46)

So cap. is 58,000?


UEFA net capacity during big events (Euro etc) ;)

the gross cap. being 61,556 seats.

Please dear mods, maybe it's time to change the title of the thread by "Stade des Lumières", OL Land being the area around the stadium... (and also because I never liked this name of OL Land, too much commercial :bash:)
Thanks ;)

before i used to think exterior was great but the last renders show that lille, nice, marseille surpass it.

It is like an abandoned house near the motorway :(

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/671/coupe2.jpg (http://img545.imageshack.us/i/coupe2.jpg/)

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But the interior will be great! it lokks like a little wembley more than emirates. A bit allianz like with red seats

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1097/coupeg.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/coupeg.jpg/)

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I hope that huge chunk of concrete doesn't cause any restricted views:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6935/coupegf.jpg

why?

I hope that huge chunk of concrete doesn't cause any restricted views:

It's one of the scoreboards actually ;) !

What ever it is, you just know that this stadium will certainly end up being better than the one currently under construction in Lille. :runaway:

now i like the roof but 1st tier is really small.

now i like the roof but 1st tier is really small.


yes it's small and friendly make for "nice" people! the kop won't be there i guess.


but this first tiers is so steeep! i wouldn't want be in the top for visibility :drool:

They tie wembley or bernabeu

I'm glad they've thought of a proper name. OL Land is awful!

but it's not the final name you guess

1st tier: ~21,2°
2nd tier: ~ 29,3°
3rd tie: ~ 34,8°

Actually quite normal.

BTW like at Allianz Arena no "overlapping" tiers .

that roof looks like crap

i agree for one time :)

Inside it's great :okay:
outside just a nightmare :eek:

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/671/coupe2.jpg (http://img545.imageshack.us/i/coupe2.jpg/)


From this view it really doesn't look that flash. Interior is much better.

what i say everytime!!

boring exterior
great interior

as an amateur photograph this form isn't easy to approach

now i like the roof but 1st tier is really small.

this makes it look greater in size. this way it looks like a 70k+seater.

case first tier is biggest an last tier is smallest it would look like a 50k-seater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zzZW-a9NPY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrXTt8vFRzA

When is planned the start of works of this jewel?

Well, if the politicians around the project are able to agree soon, the schedule will be that one :

Calendrier

* Janvier 2010: décision de la mise en révision du PLU
* Avril 2010: fin de la période de concertation
* Septembre 2010: Enquête publique et en parallèle dépôt du permis de construire du stade
* Premier trimestre 2011: rapport de l’enquête publique
* Juin 2011: obtention du permis de construire
* Fin 2011: début des travaux de construction du stade et aménagement des abords
* 8 décembre 2013: livraison du Grand Stade lyonnais

Great news for this project !!!!

http://www.francesoir.fr/sport/football/ol-lyon-aura-bien-son-grand-stade-102144.html

The french minister for Sports claimed yesterday that this project is of "public utility".
It's an official paper and decision which means that now the stadium is a national priority.

It will accelerate the process and be a shield against complaints.
Immediately after this news, the Mayor of Lyon, Mr Collomb launched the public enquiry (it was THE problematic step but with the public utility paper it will be easier)

So now here is a projected calendar I made :

June-July : Public enquiry
Spring 2012: planning permission (between 6 and 10 months after the public enquiry)
Summer 2012 : Works start
End of 2014 : Delivery (Works = 30 months max)

So one year of delay but the important is this "public utility" decision !

:banana:

http://www.capital.fr/var/cap/storage/images/art-de-vivre/diaporamas/nancy-paris-lille-les-futurs-stades-de-l-euro-2016/stade-des-lumieres-lyon/7769808-1-fre-FR/stade-des-lumieres-lyon_940x705.jpg

When are they starting to build this stadium?
How far is it from the city center of Lyon?

The start of the construction is planned for early 2012.
The site is located 10 km far from the city center (in Décines-Charpieu).

I hope that huge chunk of concrete doesn't cause any restricted views:
Me to. I hate when they put these concrete elements in the stands. It's the same with Stockholmsarenan.

L'OL confirme la livraison du "Stade des Lumières" au 2ème trimestre 2014

GRAND STADE - L'Olympique Lyonnais ne s'était pas encore exprimé après la publication des résultats des enquêtes publiques sur le projet de grand stade. Hier, le groupe a précisé le calendrier de construction d'OL Land dans ses comptes de l'exercice 2010-2011.

"Le Président du Grand Lyon a annoncé le 17 octobre 2011 que les commissaires enquêteurs des 8 premières enquêtes publiques avaient rendu leurs avis, tous favorables, souligne l'Olympique Lyonnais. Le dernier avis attendu concerne l’enquête préalable du Permis de Construire. Il devrait être rendu prochainement et fera l’objet d’un communiqué de presse d’OL Groupe".

Foin des réserves des commissaires enquêteurs relevées par des opposants au projet, pour l'Olympique Lyonnais, la construction du stade est lancée.

Concernant le coût du projet, l'OL rappelle qu'il "devrait s’élever à 381 M€ HT comprenant le coût de construction, les frais de maîtrise d’ouvrage, l’acquisition du foncier, les aménagements, les études et honoraires (hors coûts de financement)".

Côté financement, "des investissements portés par des partenaires privés extérieurs et le total des investissements privés liés au projet devrait représenter environ 450 M€".

Concrètement, "la Foncière du Montout (filiale de l'OL, ndlr) a confié le conseil en financement du projet à la Banque Lazard, qui prendra contact dès novembre prochain avec les institutions bancaires et de financement."

Les travaux démarreront après "la signature du contrat définitif entre la Foncière du Montout, filiale d’OL Groupe, et le groupe Vinci". Ce dernier "s'est engagé à participer au financement sous forme de fonds propres ou quasi fonds propres, en devenant actionnaire jusqu’à une participation maximum de 49% de la société Foncière du Montout, Maître d’Ouvrage du projet".

En conclusion, OL Groupe "confirme la date envisagée de livraison du Stade des Lumières au 2ème trimestre 2014".



:D

http://www.libelyon.fr/info/2011/10/lol-confirme-la-livraison-du-stade-des-lumi%C3%A8res-au-2%C3%A8me-trimestre-2014.html

when to start ?

when to start ?

March 2012 and it should be finished June 2014.

March 2012 and it should be finished June 2014.

June 30th, as UEFA wishes :)

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All the inquiries (=enquêtes in French) have had a positive outcome, as is said on www.olweb.fr yesterday. That means that the municipality of Lyon will definitively agree without a 'but' and within a short time and than the way is finallly open to start building the stadium!

^Nice, thanks

Flawless. There will be perfect, unobstructed views from all seats, I really like the intermediate tier solution, full seating behind the corners and smaller VIP/prime seating tier on the sides. Absolutely brilliant stadium, can't wait to see it open its gates.

:cheers: Great news !! The building permit will be signed this friday, and the start of work is planned for May !

http://www.leprogres.fr/rhone/2012/02/02/grand-stade-le-permis-de-construire-sera-signe-vendredi


:banana::banana::banana:

Tout sourire, et devant la presse venue couvrir cet instant historique, l’édile a avoué ressentir « beaucoup d’émotion au moment de signer l’acte de naissance » de la future enceinte de l’OL. « C’est un dossier assez exceptionnel que nous avons eu à traiter avec mes services, a-t-il déclaré. C’est 6 ans de travail, 6 ans d’instruction, de réunions publiques, de concertation. Aujourd’hui, je suis très satisfait et heureux de pouvoir mettre ma signature au bas de ce permis de construire qui est l’acte fondateur du Stade des Lumières. Je dirais que c’est le premier but que j’ai marqué pour l’Euro 2016. »

La livraison du Stade des Lumières est prévue pour l’été 2014.

http://www.olweb.fr/fr/Accueil/100007/Article/58451/Le-permis-de-construire-du-Stade-des-Lumieres-est-signe

Finally !

http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/vision-de-la-pente-pour-les-bad-gones-et-l-effet-mur-q/thumb/10312
http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/vue-stade-de-tribune-haute-derriere-les-cages/thumb/10311

It's not too dissimilar to the Allianz Arena or the Donbass Arena inside, although I do get the feeling it would be a bit too big for Lyon at that capacity.

wow. That looks stunning. Nice steep stands as well :cheers:

that looks pretty impresive, very barcelonaesque in the inside, with the red and blue

is this going to be used just for Lyon or national team too

i know the french rugby team plays at different venues but not sure if the french football team does the same

It is the olympique lyonnais house!

It will be used 100% by the club.

-french football team could use this stadium due to new politic of french federation which doesn't want to play all the matches at St denis stade de france for rent costs too high.
-Rugby top 14 teams could be interested to play the semi finals here like they did in the past in marseille before play the final at st denis.

-Rugby top 14 teams could be interested to play the semi finals here like they did in the past in marseille before play the final at st denis.

As they did also at the Stade Gerland, but also in Toulouse, St. Etienne, Bordeaux, etc.

But you have to know it's not the teams which choose the place of the Top14 semi-finals, but the french league (LNR).
Even so, you're right, the stadium could host some Top14 games, and why not the french rugby team for his tests.

del

But you have to know it's not the teams which choose the place of the Top14 semi-finals, but the french league (LNR).
Even so, you're right, the stadium could host some Top14 games, and why not the french rugby team for his tests.

I know that! i was just explaining to our dear brit forumer the possibility for lyon to host this type of match :ohno:
read again his question

???


-Rugby top 14 teams could be interested to play the semi finals here like they did in the past in marseille before play the final at st denis.

But you have to know it's not the teams which choose the place of the Top14 semi-finals, but the french league (LNR).
Even so, you're right, the stadium could host some Top14 games, and why not the french rugby team for his tests.


^^ I knew you were answering a question, the goal of my post was just to complete your answer.

I don't know what I missed in the question, maybe you - who is always right and does not need to be corrected -can explain me ?

you know that i was meaning that the federation behind rugby clubs could decide where to play!

^^ Anyway, if the new national rugby stadium is built, then the Top 14 semis will be played there, because the FFR & the LNR will need the largest possible number of events in order to make profits in this new €600 million stadium.

And the SdF operator, which has already re-signed a deal with the FFF & the LFP (a deal which includes 3 games minimum of France football team + the Coupe de France & League Cup finals played at the SdF until at least 2025), will certainly propose to the FFF a lower annual rent & a larger part of sponsorship & corporate seats revenues, but in exchange of a higher number of France team games played at the SdF, if the FFR leaves this stadium.

So, IMO, in the near future there will be even less games (or even not a single one) of both French teams etc played outside Paris, than it is today.

i stay cautious with this story of new national rugby stadium.
People have more words than money in this case :|
Soon we'll know if it was just a total joke to lower the prices at SDF

Le permis de construire a été délivré cette semaine.
Les travaux ont du donc normalement commencer.
je ne suis pas sur place mais j'espère bien voir ici de nombreuses photos de l'avancement des travaux.

This will be one of the best arenas in Europe when built.

we hope

Le permis de construire a été délivré cette semaine.
Les travaux ont du donc normalement commencer.
je ne suis pas sur place mais j'espère bien voir ici de nombreuses photos de l'avancement des travaux.

Le site www.olweb.fr, page officiel de l'Olympique Lyonnais, nous informera directement si les travaux commencent. Cela n'est toujours pas passé, donc la construction n'est pas commencée. Et c'est logique, parce qu'ici http://www.grandstadeol.com/projet/projet-cout-financement/ on dit qu'il faut qu'on attend jusque la signature du contrat de conception/réalisation. Ça va passer 'au tard le 30 avril 2012'. Après cette signature, la contruction commencera directement. D'ailleurs, le stade sera prêt l'été 2014.

Luduboy says construction should have already started because of the signature of the contruction permission ('permis de construire'), I answered www.olweb.fr will tell directly when they start building. They haven't done that yet, so construction has not begun. Contruction will start after the contract of conception/realisation is signed. That will happen before 30 April 2012 and after that contract is signed, construction will start immediately. The stadium will be ready in the summer of 2014. You can see the planning here (in French): http://www.grandstadeol.com/projet/projet-cout-financement/

Under Construction:
http://data.imagup.com/10/1144519389.JPG
http://info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/un-agrandissement-pour-bien-voir-les-machines-de-chantier/thumb/10912

No, it isn't yet under construction. It is forbidden to enter the terrain because of the construction permission; access to the terrain is forbidden already since 4 February. They are just preparing the terrain because it's nearly sure that the contract of conception realisation will be signed. The move to the state of 'under construction' can only be made after the signing of this contract. It is though fantastic news that they are already preparing the terrain! At http://www.grandstadeol.com/videos.html is a new video (from 27 February). It's really exciting to see that the terrain is getting prepared from now on!

Summary in French/Résumé en Français: Je disais que l'accès au terrain est interdit à cause du permis de construction. On est maintenant en train de préparer le terrain, ce qui est permis grâce au permis de construction. On peut dire seulement après la signature du contract de réalisation que le stade est 'en construction'.

Still preparing the ground

http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ligue1/lyon-stade-des-lumieres-t13-1395.html


http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/image/thumb/11258

http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/image/thumb/11262

http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/image/thumb/11256

http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/image/thumb/11255

http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/image/thumb/11254

http://www.info-stades.fr/forum/ressources/image/thumb/11252

^^ I would say it is under construction... :yes:

yup time to move this thing to U/C

They are just moving waterbassins and they remove the vegetation and the land relief on the site (=preparing), does that really mean that it is under construction on this site? With the skyscrapers it's still 'proposed' when they are preparing the terrain.

www.olweb.com will place a new video (in French, but you can still watch the images, which are interesting enough!) about the stadium every week from now on, this is the latest one (from yesterday): http://www.olweb.fr/fr/Accueil/500002/Player-Video/10534/Le-stade-des-lumieres-Deplacement-bassins

Where can we see the project? On page one all the pictures are dead.

it's true this thread is bad done :(

ask to mods to do something for the first page.i'm not the creator of this one sorry.

Where can we see the project? On page one all the pictures are dead.

Here's a recap I made a while ago (only the latest renders with photovoltaics on the roof are missing):

Recap of renders :)

Location: Lyon, Rhône-Alpes
Name: "OL Land" (New Stadium)
Tenant: Olympique Lyonnais
Capacity: 61,556 seats (5,100 business seats + 130 suites)
Opening: 2014
Architects: Populous/HOK, Buffi & Associés (urban planning)
Cost: €400-450M (100% Private: Olympique Lyonnais/OL Groupe + naming rights)
Renewable energy (photovoltaic cells)
Rainwater collection system

(Euro 2016 candidate Stadium)


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Exterior (oldest to newest)
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Interior
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I was wondering one thing : will it be easily expandable to 70K or 80K ? I mean, in 15 or 20 years ? The roof may be a problem ?

i don't know but sincerely all the studies made in europe proves that the eficient capacity is around 60k

Just look:
-Lisbon 65k
-Emirates 60k
-Allianz 69k

I don't think 80k is good for Lyon.

Right now, 60K is clearly enough. But maybe not in 20 years ? And what if OL is joined by a new shareholder with big ambitions ? Will they have to destroy the whole venue to build a bigger one ?

That would remind me the Parc des Princes story :) (except for the fact that the Parc des Princes is 40 years old)

Right now, 60K is clearly enough. But maybe not in 20 years ? And what if OL is joined by a new shareholder with big ambitions ? Will they have to destroy the whole venue to build a bigger one ?

Even if they win the CL ten times in a row, Lyon is nevertheless not an expandable city, so I really don't think that a club located in a 2 million people city, in a country which is not crazy about sport/football at all, can manage to attract 80K spectators regularly.

Oh and what if it's the opposite, I mean what would be the Lyon average attendance if they become much less competitive than today, and what if eventually they are relegated during the next two decades ?.... Because you have to keep in mind that PSG is the only L1 team which has never been relegated...( in the past 30 years all the L1 teams have been relegated at least once, except PSG) :D

So, maybe 60K is enough (at least for a very, very long time), don't you think ?

And with a 60k you can regulate easily the price of tickets like Arsenal does.

For Lyon they don't need to expand the stadium .Just to increase during years coming the price of tickets.

You'll see it : it's managerial trick (supply and demand curve affetcs the price) .Applied in the management of a stadium you have what arsenal doing (on an extreme scale because it's London)

Right now, 60K is clearly enough. But maybe not in 20 years ? And what if OL is joined by a new shareholder with big ambitions ? Will they have to destroy the whole venue to build a bigger one ?

That would remind me the Parc des Princes story :) (except for the fact that the Parc des Princes is 40 years old)

The trend for football games attendance in Europe for the last (maybe) 30 years has been consistently downwards. Doubt it will change, with overwhelming TV coverage and such. Even Barça an Madrid don't usually go over 70.000 or 75.000 of average attendance for their league games.

60.000 is more than enough for 99,999999999% of cases.

Given the current situation, I totally agree with you all : 60K is fine.

However, when we see the dilema PSG is facing with its venue since they've been bought by Qatar (bascicaly, fans and Paris council want PSG to remain in Parc des Princes but a high end refurbishment is very difficult for technical reasons), maybe it would be a good idea to make sure to build an upgradable facility (capacity, retractable roof, etc), just in case...

There are already contacts between Aulas and United Arab Emirates (naming, sponsoring ?). Right now, Aulas wants to remain the main shareholder, but well, he will have to retire sooner or later...

Thanks for the recap, PdP.

I must say that I'm not sold on the interiour, it looks very bland, like a triple-tiered Valenciennes. But the exteriour will be outstanding, like at all the new French projects for the EURO.

Even if they win the CL ten times in a row, Lyon is nevertheless not an expandable city, so I really don't think that a club located in a 2 million people city, in a country which is not crazy about sport/football at all, can manage to attract 80K spectators regularly.

Oh and what if it's the opposite, I mean what would be the Lyon average attendance if they become much less competitive than today, and what if eventually they are relegated during the next two decades ?.... Because you have to keep in mind that PSG is the only L1 team which has never been relegated...( in the past 30 years all the L1 teams have been relegated at least once, except PSG) :D

So, maybe 60K is enough (at least for a very, very long time), don't you think ?

Agreed mostly. Some people simply have no understanding of economics and more specifically supply and demand. If Barca built a new stadium today, they would probably reduce capacity by 20-30,000 thousand to around 70k.

Modern sport is geared toward television, and stadium capacities need to be reduced continent wide. 60-70k should be reserved for markets with 2m+ metro population, and those with high personal incomes. Then there is the added disadvantage of many cities having 2 or more clubs which hits a clubs potential attendance even more.

The only thing I disagree with is France not being a sports country. Sorry, but to say theyre not interested in football or sport "at all" is ridiculous. There is no other country in Europe outside of England that has 2 sports competitions average over 10,000. If its not a sports country, then most if Europe hates sport. They may underachieve in terms of potential, but the culture of sports success is there.

The trend for football games attendance in Europe for the last (maybe) 30 years has been consistently downwards. Doubt it will change, with overwhelming TV coverage and such. Even Barça an Madrid don't usually go over 70.000 or 75.000 of average attendance for their league games.

60.000 is more than enough for 99,999999999% of cases.

RM capacity is only 80.000 and cant be expanded in the actual location. As the board dont want to move the stadium because the current one, at downtown Madrid and the financial heart of Spain is seen as great. So in the last years the board is rising the prices of both season tickets (very hard to get by the way) and match tickets.

If Real Madrid builds a 100,000-seater stadium in Valdebebas with cheaper tickets there were not any problems for getting an average attendance near to 100,000, but it seems the actual stadium is much more profitable.

RM capacity is only 80.000 and cant be expanded in the actual location. As the board dont want to move the stadium because the current one, at downtown Madrid and the financial heart of Spain is seen as great. So in the last years the board is rising the prices of both season tickets (very hard to get by the way) and match tickets.

If Real Madrid builds a 100,000-seater stadium in Valdebebas with cheaper tickets there were not any problems for getting an average attendance near to 100,000, but it seems the actual stadium is much more profitable.

Jeje. I live in Madrid. In fact, for the 15 years I've been living here, I've spent 2/3 living across the street from Santiago Bernabeu, and the other 1/3 across the street from Vicente Calderón. :lol:

If Real Madrid can't manage to get full attendance (as an average) for their games with 80,000 capacity, it sounds a bit delusional to think that they'd be able to do it with a stadium 25% bigger. It's not really a matter of prices. There're quite a few games for which you can find cheap tickets, but still they don't sell them out. Heck, I've been invited to LOADS of games because of my job (tickets by clients or providers) and even those seats ain't usually 100% occupied. Real Madrid (or Bacça, for that matter) will gather huge crowds for big games, no matter what the price is. And will gather not so big of a crowd with lesser rivals, again no matter the price.

25 years ago, when the only way to really be able to watch every single game of Real Madrid was to be a season ticket holder, then yes: with the appropriate pricing policy, they'd get 100,000 to show up to every game. Even 120,000. Now that you can get any game you want in TV for something like one euro, forget about it.

Which isn't necesarily bad. But it is what it is. And it's not just a thing with Madrid or Barça. Real Zaragoza (my team) used to be able to get up to 45,000 people in the stadium for a game in which they played for relegation. Now they didn't even get 33,000 five years ago, while almost qualifying for Champions League anb beating the hell out of Barça and Madrid in the King's Cup.

PD.- The only team I can think of getting more people to the stadium is Atlético Madrid, and not because of prices, but because getting to the games at Calderón can be a nightmare with traffic and public transport. Specially traffic (even in the Bernabeu most of the people will get there by car, which is something I won't ever understand). And maybe Athletic Bilbao, which plays in a stadium much smaller than it's fan base needs. The rest of them... even Valencia... I just don't see it.

Thank you all for your replies.
That's true, I have to confess I havn't thought about TV broadcasting, much wider today than before. However, clubs and TV managers will have to find a solution against free streaming, else they will face the same difficulties the music industry has to...

Arsenal and Munchen (Bayern) made a great mistake by building a 60 k only.
Both play sold out since they moved in the new stadiums. They could easily fill a 80-85 k stadiums with the same tickets prices. At least for Arsenal if we multiply 20k places by 50 pounds (average ticket cost) will result 1 mill pounds less / match.

Look the Netherland experience: they built new stadiums in the recent years and now they realize that the capacities are too small and they are investing a lot of money in expanding, much more then if they had built from the beginning.

The trend for football games attendance in Europe for the last (maybe) 30 years has been consistently downwards. Doubt it will change, with overwhelming TV coverage and such. Even Barça an Madrid don't usually go over 70.000 or 75.000 of average attendance for their league games.

60.000 is more than enough for 99,999999999% of cases.

Bundesliga has 42k average which is double then 20 years ago. Premiere League has 36K but is bounded by low capacities. Dutch league almost doubled the attendance since the building the new stadiums. Would you suggest maybe that clubs like BVB or Man United to move into smaller stadiums? :) In Italy and Spain they didnt invest in stadiums in the last 2 decades (with few exception eg Juve, Espanyol..). Stadiums of Madrid and Barca have stands mostly uncovered, old facilities, you can not compare with Allianz Arena.

Agreed mostly. Some people simply have no understanding of economics and more specifically supply and demand. If Barca built a new stadium today, they would probably reduce capacity by 20-30,000 thousand to around 70k.

Modern sport is geared toward television, and stadium capacities need to be reduced continent wide. 60-70k should be reserved for markets with 2m+ metro population, and those with high personal incomes. Then there is the added disadvantage of many cities having 2 or more clubs which hits a clubs potential attendance even more.
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If Barca built a new stadium I'm afraid 120 k capacity wont be enough. All new stadiums increased the attendance with 30-100 %. Do you want few examples? How many? 10? 100? :)

I think the best example is Bayern- Allianz Arena. On the old Olympia they used to fill only 2/3 capacity. Average was 40-45 k, but many games attracted low attendance like 30 k. In the new stadiums they play sold out - 66 k since the opening and probably they could fill easily even 90 k

Arsenal and Munchen (Bayern) made a great mistake by building a 60 k only.
Both play sold out since they moved in the new stadiums. They could easily fill a 80-85 k stadiums with the same tickets prices. At least for Arsenal if we multiply 20k places by 50 pounds (average ticket cost) will result 1 mill pounds less / match.
Bayern did NOT build the stadium. It was a share-scheme which forced Bayern to go lower than they might sell.

A 50% increase of attendance for Lyon will be more than sufficient for the next couple of decades at least.

barca example isn't relevant :nuts:

it's probably the only club which could sell more 100k tickets a game regularly (perhaps MU too)

awesome!!! is finaly under construction, i9n the renders looks amazing, i thing that would be the best football stadium in the world, even better than the alianz arena

Salut, je voudrais savoir qui paie le coût exorbitant du stade. il y a risque comme l'arsenal pour la dette? Aussi quelles sont les perspectives de chiffre d'affaires annuel pur le club? Merci

Hi viudix, here is the link to the thread in French :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=343210

To reply to your questions :
Sport and entertainment facilities, hospitalities => Private investment
Transport facilities => Public investment

Turn over : an extra revenue of 50M - 60M per year

barca example isn't relevant :nuts:

it's probably the only club which could sell more 100k tickets a game regularly (perhaps MU too)

...so could Real Madrid, and a few German clubs. Borussia Dortmund is selling 80.000 tickets regularly. Bayern has an average of 69k spectators, only because..... it's the maximum capacity of their stadium.
And based on which "studies" can you say which team can sell how many tickets? :dunno: For example ALL the Premier League stadiums are sold out. It doesn't matter if 30k stadium or 70k. Basically it's only the capacity of these stadiums, which decides the average number of spectators per game.

For example ALL the Premier League stadiums are sold out. It doesn't matter if 30k stadium or 70k. Basically it's only the capacity of these stadiums, which decides the average number of spectators per game.

All EPL stadiums are sold out? :lol::lol:

Do you actually watch the premier league?

All EPL stadiums are sold out? :lol::lol:

Do you actually watch the premier league?

Ok. Maybe not all, but 85%.
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm

Hi viudix, here is the link to the thread in French :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=343210

To reply to your questions :
Sport and entertainment facilities, hospitalities => Private investment
Transport facilities => Public investment

Turn over : an extra revenue of 50M - 60M per year

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Aulas says the club revenue will be 100M, now with the gerland is 25M.
It would be incredibile spread for the lyon , over bayern munchen with allianz arena,emirates,etc...it's true?

I am not 100% sure but I can't remember Aulas giving this figure of 100M. Where did you read / hear that ?

Web

http://archives-lepost.huffingtonpost.fr/article/2011/04/23/2475154_grand-stade-l-ol-fait-du-surplace.html

No, it's in Lyon

;)

:)
what's the wrong with roof!? all design great, also interior looks very good too