Seriously, you are comparing a 140 million people country with a 30 million people country. Devide the GDP between those 140 million and you will see the difference.

Still unemployment rate is high in Morocco than Nigeria.

Ahhh muttie and alex, where were you to comment when your countries were rated low on the HDI theread and even slid in the case of Marocco???!!! you talk about "fairness" about people lacking "criticism" but where are the slum picturs of Marocco? didn´t all the terrorist came from Marocco that bombed the trains in Spain where hundreds of people lost their life? Do you want me to present the other side of Marocco to you? I am not short of material, just a question of a few minutes, I have collected enough material the past months of any country, bad and good! You seem to have big islamist problems in your country and want to lecture the others incessantly. Well, I know how black Africans are treated in Marocco, a lot of racism in your country towards your African "brothers", this is no secret but documented in many articles that I have collected.

Always looking for exceptions, these are facts and figures but you you are in love with those facts and figures can´t face up to them when we present them to you!

Why is it that race always comes up with some of you people? Anyways my country had an HDI of .800 still low imho but an improvement, with the adjusted gdp figures done by the IBGE, Brazil's real HDI is estimated to be between .802-806. That said theirs still a long way to go.

Anyways I'm not disagreeing, all I'm doing is showing another perspective with PPP. Like I said a mere 15 minutes ago I prefer using real gdp when comparing the sizes of different economies.

Still unemployment rate is high in Morocco than Nigeria.

Yes, that is a problem in Morocco. Every country has its own specific problems.

Ahhh muttie and alex, where were you to comment when your countries were rated low on the HDI theread and even slid in the case of Marocco???!!! you talk about "fairness" about people lacking "criticism" but where are the slum picturs of Marocco? didn´t all the terrorist came from Marocco that bombed the trains in Spain where hundreds of people lost their life? Do you want me to present the other side of Marocco to you? I am not short of material, just a question of a few minutes, I have collected enough material the past months of any country, bad and good! You seem to have big islamist problems in your country and want to lecture the others incessantly. Well, I know how black Africans are treated in Marocco, a lot of racism in your country towards your African "brothers", this is no secret but documented in many articles that I have collected.

Always looking for exceptions, these are facts and figures but you you are in love with those facts and figures can´t face up to them when we present them to you!

It slid in rank, it still went up. And yes HDI is still an issue in Morocco. The main difference between me and you is that i accept the failures of my country and it seems that you don't. When im stating facts, you dont try to convince me that these facts arent true, no you claim that i bash your country. Now i know you are a big racist when it comes to Moroccans, as i have read your earlier comments against Moroccans before. Apparently black africans can be racist too it seems! Facts is PPP per head is higher in Morocco, penetration rate of communication and ICT is higher in Morocco, GDP per head is way higher in Morocco, do i have to continue? Inflation rate is WAY lower in Morocco, people below poverty line is lower in Morocco. Still want to compare? Those are all facts, so i present them to you! Now please, go on. Or maybe i should talk about the terrorists in your country? Or the oil-pipelines that keeps blowing up? Or the divide between North and South Nigeria? Or maybe all the westerners that get kidnapped everytime? Oh, and for your interests, the Spain-Bombers were living in Spain...that shows how good you know your facts. Two people can play that game Matthias, i didnt want to go this far, but apparently there is no other way.

Seriously, you are comparing a 140 million people country with a 30 million people country. Devide the GDP between those 140 million and you will see the difference.

population size is not an endless excuse. Face the facts and figures!

probably France´s economy could be bigger than that of Germany if it had more people?!

and what about the economy of Portugal which has more than ten times less inhabitants than Germany, probably its economy would be ten times higher if it had the inhabitants of Germany. So comparing those nations is "unfair".

Surprsingly, you were the ones that wanted to compare the smaller oil-rich gulf arab countries with Nigeria while telling us look what they have made with their oil and look at Nigeria...population size didn´t matter here all of the sudden for you people although you want to include this parametre in the case of Nigeria here.

If Germany had only 10 million people would it still be be the fourth biggest economy in the world??

All this doesn´t brush aside the fact that Germany has 80 something million people and is No.4 in the world, you got my point!

To conclude, yes Nigeria might has one of the larger economies of Africa, but DEFINATELY not the strongest.

Where did I say that Nigeria has the strongest economy in Africa? You should consult an opticare. Where???

I said that in terms of GDP we are No2 in entire Africa, an established fact and figure which you can´t swallow, only shows how racist you really are! Your argumenst are lame and shallow. You can´t stand being dethroned from a nation from Sub-saharan africa that is not SA.

It slid in rank, it still went up. And yes HDI is still an issue in Morocco. The main difference between me and you is that i accept the failures of my country and it seems that you don't. When im stating facts, you dont try to convince me that these facts arent true, no you claim that i bash your country. Now i know you are a big racist when it comes to Moroccans, as i have read your earlier comments against Moroccans before. Apparently black africans can be racist too it seems! Facts is PPP per head is higher in Morocco, penetration rate of communication and ICT is higher in Morocco, GDP per head is way higher in Morocco, do i have to continue? Inflation rate is WAY lower in Morocco, people below poverty line is lower in Morocco. Still want to compare? Those are all facts, so i present them to you! Now please, go on. Or maybe i should talk about the terrorists in your country? Or the oil-pipelines that keeps blowing up? Or the divide between North and South Nigeria? Or maybe all the westerners that get kidnapped everytime? Oh, and for your interests, the Spain-Bombers were living in Spain...that shows how good you know your facts. Two people can play that game Matthias, i didnt want to go this far, but apparently there is no other way.

Plz, you people should stop terrorizing this forum with trivialities.

How come Libya wasnt on that list? at $7'000 income per capita their standard of living is quite high......

It slid in rank, it still went up. And yes HDI is still an issue in Morocco. The main difference between me and you is that i accept the failures of my country and it seems that you don't. When im stating facts, you dont try to convince me that these facts arent true, no you claim that i bash your country. Now i know you are a big racist when it comes to Moroccans, as i have read your earlier comments against Moroccans before. Apparently black africans can be racist too it seems! Facts is PPP per head is higher in Morocco, penetration rate of communication and ICT is higher in Morocco, GDP per head is way higher in Morocco, do i have to continue? Inflation rate is WAY lower in Morocco, people below poverty line is lower in Morocco. Still want to compare? Those are all facts, so i present them to you! Now please, go on. Or maybe i should talk about the terrorists in your country? Or the oil-pipelines that keeps blowing up? Or the divide between North and South Nigeria? Or maybe all the westerners that get kidnapped everytime? Oh, and for your interests, the Spain-Bombers were living in Spain...that shows how good you know your facts. Two people can play that game Matthias, i didnt want to go this far, but apparently there is no other way.

I can swallow critic were it is due and it all depends who is criticizing whom and in which way!

Second aspect, you are pointing to other factors although this thread is dealing with economic facts and not who owns how many digital devices??!!

Aspect three, yes, many more people live below the poverty line than in your country but weren´t you the one that brought forward the factor "population size"? So, I will draw upon it here in your logic, we have more than 140 million people as opposed to 30 million in Marocco.

Moreover, don´t foregt the informal economy in Naija.

population size is not an endless excuse. Face the facts and figures!


Its not an excuse its a REASON why an economy can be large. Morocco CANT have a large economy compared to the rest of the world with states like India, China, America, Russia .etc Because lots of people = lots of output. To measure the "strongness" of an economy you have to devide the output of the economy with the amount of people living in it.


probably France´s economy could be bigger than that of Germany if it had more people?!
Yes, that could well be.


and what about the economy of Portugal which has more than ten times less inhabitants than Germany, probably its economy would be ten times higher if it had the inhabitants of Germany. So comparing those nations is "unfair".
It would not be ten times higher, it could well be ten times larger in terms of GDP.


Surprsingly, you were the ones that wanted to compare the smaller oil-rich gulf arab countries with Nigeria while telling us look what they have made with their oil and look at Nigeria...population size didn´t matter here all of the sudden for you people although you want to include this parametre in the case of Nigeria here.
Against who are you talking? I think you are mixing up people and threads, because nobody made that compareness in this thread. At least not like how you stated it here.


If Germany had only 10 million people would it still be be the fourth biggest economy in the world??
No, and thats what i am explaining to you since day one. If it had just 10 million people it would be even smaller then The netherlands economy-wise. So that means that if you want to COMPARE, you need to devide the PPP with amount of inhabitants.


All this doesn´t brush aside the fact that Germany has 80 something million people and is No.4 in the world, you got my point!
But do you get my point that what i argued in this thread is that "largest" economy doesnt mean shit?


Where did I say that Nigeria has the strongest economy in Africa? You should consult an opticare. Where???
Well one of you guys claimed that it was stronger then Morocco, that for a fact is not true.


I said that in terms of GDP we are No2 in entire Africa, an established fact and figure which you can´t swallow, only shows how racist you really are! Your argumenst are lame and shallow. You can´t stand being dethroned from a nation from Sub-saharan africa that is not SA.
And i said that isnt true. Im just using YOUR source.

South Africa, Egypt and Algeria have a higher GDP.

Nice how this thread turned into a Nigeria vs. Morocco fight, lets wait until the African Cup of Nations...

No seriously, in terms of absolute size, there is no doubt that Nigeria's economy is larger than morocco's it wouldnt be a surprise if it surpassed SA in a few years time, that being said, I think the main misunderstanding here is GDP vs. Development/industrialization. Objectively speaking, in terms of development, I think morocco has the edge of nigeria at the moment, but again, this maybe only temporary. Anyways, best of luck to both nations, I think we should be rejoicing that our respective government finally woke up and now our countries are moving forwards. :cheers:

I can swallow critic were it is due and it all depends who is criticizing whom and in which way!

Second aspect, you are pointing to other factors although this thread is dealing with economic facts and not who owns how many digital devices??!!

Aspect three, yes, many more people live below the poverty line than in your country but weren´t you the one that brought forward the factor "population size"? So, I will draw upon it here in your logic, we have more than 140 million people as opposed to 30 million in Marocco.

Moreover, don´t foregt the informal economy in Naija.

You think that economy facts, and facts in terms of infrastructure and telecommunications are purely seperate? Or facts in terms of poverty lines are seperate?

Next to that, the percentage given are already relative (so your "logic" about 140 million versus 30 million, doesnt make sense.). That means 20% of 30 million versus 70% of 140 million. And yes, Morocco also has an informal economy.

I never said that Nigeria doesnt have a BIGGER economy than Morocco. I just said its weaker at the moment. Large vs Strong those are two different aspects.

population size is not an endless excuse. Face the facts and figures!

probably France´s economy could be bigger than that of Germany if it had more people?!

and what about the economy of Portugal which has more than ten times less inhabitants than Germany, probably its economy would be ten times higher if it had the inhabitants of Germany. So comparing those nations is "unfair".

Surprsingly, you were the ones that wanted to compare the smaller oil-rich gulf arab countries with Nigeria while telling us look what they have made with their oil and look at Nigeria...population size didn´t matter here all of the sudden for you people although you want to include this parametre in the case of Nigeria here.

If Germany had only 10 million people would it still be be the fourth biggest economy in the world??




Heres the thing some of you ignore, Nigeria has 70 million more people than the next to biggest African state, this is a huge gap. Yet it doesn't have the largest economy in Africa. That shows a weakness by any account. It also shows potential, which is what Nigerians should focus on. But were talking about this period in time.

France has 20 million less people than Germany but their GDP per capita is only slightly more, if the roles were equal I can gurantee you that Germany would have a higher gdp per capita thus a larger economy.

Portugal with less an 1/8 Germany's population is the "poorest" Western country, if they had 8 times more mouths to feed they'd probably be a developing country.

If Germany had 10 million people it would probably be the richest country in the world.

How come Libya wasnt on that list? at $7'000 income per capita their standard of living is quite high......

Ask the "highly respected" economist, tells a lot about the magazine and its intentions when they leave out a country Libya?! I wondered, too!

Its not an excuse its a REASON why an economy can be large. Morocco CANT have a large economy compared to the rest of the world with states like India, China, America, Russia .etc Because lots of people = lots of output. To measure the "strongness" of an economy you have to devide the output of the economy with the amount of people living in it.


Yes, that could well be.


It would not be ten times higher, it could well be ten times larger in terms of GDP.


Against who are you talking? I think you are mixing up people and threads, because nobody made that compareness in this thread. At least not like how you stated it here.


No, and thats what i am explaining to you since day one. If it had just 10 million people it would be even smaller then The netherlands economy-wise. So that means that if you want to COMPARE, you need to devide the PPP with amount of inhabitants.


But do you get my point that what i argued in this thread is that "largest" economy doesnt mean shit?


Well one of you guys claimed that it was stronger then Morocco, that for a fact is not true.


And i said that isnt true. Im just using YOUR source.

South Africa, Egypt and Algeria have a higher GDP.

Sorry to say you don't understand how economy works.

Heres the thing some of you ignore, Nigeria has 70 million more people than the next to biggest African state, this is a huge gap. Yet it doesn't have the largest economy in Africa. That shows a weakness by any account. It also shows potential, which is what Nigerians should focus on. But were talking about this period in time.

France has 20 million less people than Germany but their GDP per capita is only slightly more, if the roles were equal I can gurantee you that Germany would have a higher gdp per capita thus a larger economy.

Portugal with less an 1/8 Germany's population is the "poorest" Western country, if they had 8 times more mouths to feed they'd probably be a developing country.

If Germany had 10 million people it would probably be the richest country in the world.

You are just a complete joke, you are so full of bias! va te faire foutre, fils d´une sale putaine

You think that economy facts, and facts in terms of infrastructure and telecommunications are purely seperate? Or facts in terms of poverty lines are seperate?

No, they are not but the thread is saying something about "largest economy" and not who is equipped with what, how much of the recent infrastructure is sponsored by big Daddy France and/or Europe in Marocco? Marocco profits a lot from the proximity to Europe, if it were in the middle of Africa, your country would be on par with the central african republic. Marocco is still like an unofficial French oversea department whereas Algeria desserves my full respect, they know how to stem the tide alone. and give it just five more years and it could easily swallow up Marocco without even batting an eyelid. If you get nasty, i will get, too.

Next to that, the percentage given are already relative (so your "logic" about 140 million versus 30 million, doesnt make sense.). That means 20% of 30 million versus 70% of 140 million. And yes, Morocco also has an informal economy.

I never said that Nigeria doesnt have a BIGGER economy than Morocco. I just said its weaker at the moment. Large vs Strong those are two different aspects.

Read what I meant about "population size" and even if it is relative, it DOES makes sense.

large vs. strong has also been explained by me earlier. We are turning in circles, why can´t you just swallow that Nigeria´s economy is double that of Marocco, a lot of reforms are in place, a lot still needs to be done, every Nigerian is aware of it In an investment magazine I recently read that some African countries including Nigeria are the next investment frontier, they were compared to Eastern European countries in the early 90´s...when this will happen, I don´t want you people to crawl up on our doorstep here or anywhere because I will puke you right into your hypocritic faces.:puke:

Ask the "highly respected" economist, tells a lot about the magazine and its intentions when they leave out a country Libya?! I wondered, too!

Well Libya only has 5 million people, look at all the other African nations, they also leave out Mauritius and Seychelles. I guess the Economist has a bias against them as well lol.

Nice how this thread turned into a Nigeria vs. Morocco fight, lets wait until the African Cup of Nations...

No seriously, in terms of absolute size, there is no doubt that Nigeria's economy is larger than morocco's it wouldnt be a surprise if it surpassed SA in a few years time, that being said, I think the main misunderstanding here is GDP vs. Development/industrialization. Objectively speaking, in terms of development, I think morocco has the edge of nigeria at the moment, but again, this maybe only temporary. Anyways, best of luck to both nations, I think we should be rejoicing that our respective government finally woke up and now our countries are moving forwards. :cheers:

Why can´t your folks just be like you, that´s about being positively critical! Very constructive contribution.:applause:

You are just a complete joke, you are so full of bias! va te faire foutre, fils d´une sale putaine

Biased against who? The French or the Portuguese? I know it sucks when you have nothing to counter instead you insult people in other languages so the mods don't ban your ass.

Oula, ça sent le pâté ici...

Muttie, si tu veux debattre de quelque chose, vient le faire sur notre forum. On va pas commencer a se prendre tete avec les nigeriens quand meme!

Well Libya only has 5 million people, look at all the other African nations, they also leave out Mauritius and Seychelles. I guess the Economist has a bias against them as well lol.

Ok, when it boils down to size only.

what are "minnows" like Estonia, Czech Republic, Norway, Slovenia etc. doing in the listing (for Europe)?

What is Ecuador doing in the listing for South America?

Why is Singapore listed in Asia? (which is an equivalent for Mauritius in one way or the other for Africa)


And why is the Ivory Coast or Ghana (often touted as Africa´s "star performer") left out while Cameroon or even ruiend Zimbabwe (where everything is "on the verge of collapse" appear on their listings)?

Should I go on or is it enough??


Biased against who? The French or the Portuguese?

Both


I know it sucks when you have nothing to counter instead you insult people in other languages so the mods don't ban your ass.

Why should it suck; I am even restraing myself, if I let loose, you would wake up with your head turned round...as for the banning aspect, i already signed up with various other nicknames, you want to intimidate me, no way, babyboy!

Moreover, just measure what I have contributed to this forum and measure it with your lousy and racist contributions and your pseudo- Brazilian identity, you don´t need to stress it a thousand times, if you are Brazilian, OK.

I have talked to various other Brazilians via PM, they tick entirely different and show an interest in Africa.

Ok, when it boils down to size only.

what are "minnows" like Estonia, Czech Republic, Norway, Slovenia etc. doing in the listing (for Europe)?

What is Ecuador doing in the listing for South America?

Why is Singapore listed in Asia? (which is an equivalent for Mauritius in one way or the other for Africa)


And why is the Ivory Coast or Ghana (often touted as Africa´s "star performer") left out while Cameroon or even ruiend Zimbabwe (where everything is "on the verge of collapse" appear on their listings)?

Should I go on or is it enough??



Both



Why should it suck; I am even restraing myself, if I let loose, you would wake up with your head turned round...as for the banning aspect, i already signed up with various other nicknames, you want to intimidate me, no way, babyboy!

Moreover, just measure what I have contributed to this forum and measure it with your lousy and racist contributions and your pseudo- Brazilian identity, you don´t need to stress it a thousand times, if you are Brazilian, OK.

I have talked to various other Brazilians via PM, they tick entirely different and show an interest in Africa.

Because all those countries you listed are either bigger or alot wealthier than Libya. That includes minnows like Norway, Slovenia, Estonia, Czech Republic. Ecuador is nearly 3 times Libya's size plus an important and turbulent country with alot of oil and gas. Singapore is alot wealthier, more populated and a strategic global financial hub compared to Mauritius. If The Economist wanted to portray a bias they'd choose bigger more important fish.

Ivory Coast star performer? Economic growth of under 2%? Zimbabwe makes the news with its incredible free falling economy and nations like Cameroun are alot bigger than Ghana. Again most of those nations from Africa are one of the larger economies.

Wow, you've yet to counter my arguments there. Apart from saying that I'm "biased". How clever...

Intimidate you? Seriously judging by your previous posts you sound like a sad paranoid man, your spastic outbursts are quite comical but scary at the same time.

Yes I'm racist blah blah, I've heard that from you how many times? You don't need to stress it thousands of times If I'm a racist OK.

You are just a complete joke, you are so full of bias! va te faire foutre, fils d´une sale putaine

:lol: And with THAT I will never take you seriously again. HE is biased when you keep crapping on everyone because they aren't Nigeria lovers? :lol:

LOL this makes brilliant comedial reading thanks to Matt.

Because all those countries you listed are either bigger or alot wealthier than Libya. That includes minnows like Slovenia, Estonia, Czech Republic. Ecuador is nearly 3 times Libya's size plus an important and turbulent country with alot of oil and gas. Singapore is alot wealthier, more populated and a strategic global financial hub compared to Mauritius. If The Economist wanted to portray a bias they'd choose bigger more important fish.

Ivory Coast star performer? Economic growth of under 2%? Zimbabwe makes the news with its incredible free falling economy and nations like Cameroun are alot bigger than Ghana. Again most of those nations from Africa are one of the larger economies.


Star perfomer is not refering to Ivory Coast but Ghana, read properly what I said!

Cameroon a lot bigger than Ghana???

Your highly adored economist, my "dear" Mr Roney:

Just a few facts and figures, those countries are all mentioned..while countries that the West holds up as shiny examples are missing just like Ghana or the UAE...instead you find (nothing against those nations, i just use them to refute Alex´s claim)

Bulgaria: 7.2 million people but 42 Billion GDP
Estonai: 1.3 million and 23 bn GDP
Uganda: 32 million people and 13 billion in GDP
Lebanon 4.2 million and 23 bn in GDP
Uzbekistan: 27.1 million and 23 bn in GDP

and the two Latin america nations that are "of course" perfoming better than Libya, that´s why they are rated "higher" than Libyan HDI and in GDP and per capita income than Lybia and are all OPEC members like Libya

Bolivia: 9.7 million and 15 Bn GDP
Ecuador: 13.8 million and 45 bn GDP


Alex, can´t you see that you are running out of arguments and your own weapons which you use against your "ennemies" turn out to the ones that are digiiging your own graveyard.


Intimidate you? Seriously judging by your previous posts you sound like a sad paranoid man, your spastic outbursts are quite comical but scary at the same time.

:lol::lol::lol:

Thanks, here you get another one from me, the "paranoid man with spatical outburst". you silly ******* F*** d**h ***** ***** ***k***!!!!:lol::lol::nuts::nuts:

If you stood right in fron tof me, i would love to take up the fight. I practice martial arts and body-building twice a week for three hours.

Yes I'm racist blah blah, I've heard that from you how many times? You don't need to stress it thousands of times If I'm a racist OK.

I will continue to stress it as long as you stress that you are Brazilian.:lol:

Well, you are just cornered and your arguments lose strength, if they ever had any.

lydon, just normal that people like you and Roney stick together, you are two sides of the same coin!

Oula, ça sent le pâté ici...

Muttie, si tu veux debattre de quelque chose, vient le faire sur notre forum. On va pas commencer a se prendre tete avec les nigeriens quand meme!

You are right. :) But at least now we see the true face of Matthias.

Why thank you! And would that be a white coin? Or a brown one? Being the racists we are I guess it'll have to be white. Only problem is I haven't seen a white coin before. Oh well...

You are right. But at least now we see the true face of Matthias.

Well, if it has taken you so long to unveil my "true" face, while everybody else is aware of my true face, then I am happy.

but just one more word of consolation before you leave, hopefully for good: I knew how you tick a lot earlier by reading your comments and your bones of contentions you had with other members on this forum (to which I didn´t repsond) ..so follow Yazoo who has come to protect you from the raging bulls that have treated you so deplorably "unfair" before you get entirely trampled over here on our forum and bye bye and go home, babyboy before your milk gets cold, it ´s bedtime!:fart:

We don´t need your endless lectures about any African country here!

Why thank you! And would that be a white coin? Or a brown one? Being the racists we are I guess it'll have to be white. Only problem is I haven't seen a white coin before. Oh well...

You are right! but I haven´t specified the type of coin, so I will do it now. it is one of those coins made of white chocolate, you might know them from your childhood; the ones that normally taste sweet when you swallow them ...but in your case it was a deceitful white chocolate coin which had already been rotten from inside. I have eaten it again which has given me a bad stomache ache as you can see..

wow that is all I got say !

Star perfomer is not refering to Ivory Coast but Ghana, read properly what I said!

Cameroon a lot bigger than Ghana???

Your highly adored economist, my "dear" Mr Roney:

Just a few facts and figures, those countries are all mentioned..while countries that the West holds up as shiny examples are missing just like Ghana or the UAE...instead you find (nothing against those nations, i just use them to refute Alex´s claim)

Bulgaria: 7.2 million people but 42 Billion GDP
Estonai: 1.3 million and 23 bn GDP
Uganda: 32 million people and 13 billion in GDP
Lebanon 4.2 million and 23 bn in GDP
Uzbekistan: 27.1 million and 23 bn in GDP

and the two Latin america nations that are "of course" perfoming better than Libya, that´s why they are rated "higher" than Libyan HDI and in GDP and per capita income than Lybia and are all OPEC members like Libya

Bolivia: 9.7 million and 15 Bn GDP
Ecuador: 13.8 million and 45 bn GDP


Alex, can´t you see that you are running out of arguments and your own weapons which you use against your "ennemies" turn out to the ones that are digiiging your own graveyard.




:lol::lol::lol:

Thanks, here you get another one from me, the "paranoid man with spatical outburst". you silly ******* F*** d**h ***** ***** ***k***!!!!:lol::lol::nuts::nuts:

If you stood right in fron tof me, i would love to take up the fight. I practice martial arts and body-building twice a week for three hours.


I will continue to stress it as long as you stress that you are Brazilian.:lol:

Well, you are just cornered and your arguments lose strength, if they ever had any.

Dude you just said Ghana or Ivory Coast, you didn't specify a specific country, thus the subject of the sentence can't soley be Ghana. Re structure your sentences before telling you to "re read".

What about those countries? Uganda has size (along with most African countries listed) Estonia and Bulgaria have relative wealth. While Lebanon is an extremely important geo political nation in the mid east. Uzbekistan? Beats me, maybe they have a bias for central Asian countries. lol

Now you need to re read what I said, where did I ever state that Bolivia and Ecuador are performing well?? In fact I explicitly said that they tend to be turbulent and unstable. But due to their extreme left leaning governments their a key political tool of Hugo Chavez in the region. What happens in Bolivia makes far more news than in Chile, despite the latter being more important. A lot of it is political!!!

I hope that you were trying to invoke sarcasm in another one of your tantrums. Unfortunately it mirrors your posts only 3 pages back from this very thread. And wtf do I care what you do 3 times a week, seriously the whole macho "I work out I'll kick your ass" attitude makes you look like a bloody loser.

Anyways I think I've just lost 20 points of my own i.q in this thread. I can have more enlightening debates with the hobo that lives down the street than with Matthias. And Matthias stop bagging on Lydon as being a "racist" your half white yourself white boy.

peace.

I like nominal gdp when comparing sizes of Economies, but its interesting to see the changes when peoples purchasing power is taken into account.

South Africa $695 bn
Egypt $440 bn
Algeria $287 bn
Nigeria $212 bn
Morroco $185 bn

You are wrong there. Where you to tkae into account that Nigeria's PPP is only a third seeing as the informal market is considered then you have a real figure of about $636 bn.

You think that economy facts, and facts in terms of infrastructure and telecommunications are purely seperate? Or facts in terms of poverty lines are seperate?

Next to that, the percentage given are already relative (so your "logic" about 140 million versus 30 million, doesnt make sense.). That means 20% of 30 million versus 70% of 140 million. And yes, Morocco also has an informal economy.

I never said that Nigeria doesnt have a BIGGER economy than Morocco. I just said its weaker at the moment. Large vs Strong those are two different aspects.

No offence but your bullshit is starting to piss me of seriously!Since when does Nigeria have a poverty line of over 70%. CIA fact book puts it at 60% and this is the 2000 estimate. Just when we got democracy so things a definitely better! So i don't know what era you are getting you facts from mate but please tune in. That being said, Matt you are starting to piss me of as well. You always say really petty stuff that don't make people proud about their Country but when its done back you always cry stop. Its over man.. be mature, try and have a mature and adult conversation please and revert from peety insults.

Dude you just said Ghana or Ivory Coast, you didn't specify a specific country, thus the subject of the sentence can't soley be Ghana. Re structure your sentences before telling you to "re read".

I have put it into brackets, so it refers to Ghana and not the Ivory Coast. it is you who can´t read.


[QUOTE]What about those countries? Uganda has size (along with most African countries listed) Estonia and Bulgaria have relative wealth. While Lebanon is an extremely important geo political nation in the mid east. Uzbekistan? Beats me, maybe they have a bias for central Asian countries. lol

Well, Ghana´s 22 million is that not size as well.

When you list Estonia, you fail to list the UAE or Qatar???

Oh yeah, I forgot Uzbekistan is more important.

Do you get paid by the Economist because you litter this page full with stats by the economist.

Now you need to re read what I said, where did I ever state that Bolivia and Ecuador are performing well?? In fact I explicitly said that they tend to be turbulent and unstable. But due to their extreme left leaning governments their a key political tool of Hugo Chavez in the region. What happens in Bolivia makes far more news than in Chile, despite the latter being more important. A lot of it is political!!!

"Ecuador is nearly 3 times Libya's size plus an important and turbulent country with alot of oil and gas"

You said this, Ecuador is nearly three times the size of Libya? What democrapcially economically seen or what?

I hope that you were trying to invoke sarcasm in another one of your tantrums. ....And wtf do I care what you do 3 times a week, seriously the whole macho "I work out I'll kick your ass" attitude makes you look like a bloody loser.

No, there is no sarcasm, why should there be? Do you have proeblems with people carrying their heart on their tongues with people being emotional?



Anyways I think I've just lost 20 points of my own i.q in this thread. I can have more enlightening debates with the hobo that lives down the street than with Matthias.

First of all, what does my ethnic origin has to do with despising people like you or a few other on this forum? Nada and nothing At least I speak my mind and don´t conceal my feelings like you.

Really, you have run out of comments...entirely, so you seem to have debates with the hobo that lives down your street?? Well, now I know where your silly logic of argumenst have their origin. Very revealing.

I have always asked myself, what is your use of being here?

What is your point of being on our sub-forum?? Is ther nothing to discuss on the South African forum or that of Brazil or anywhere else except here? What have you contributed so far? Do I go from forum to forum and tell people what is wrong in their countries, maybe I should do it but I won´t win a lot of friends this way. When did you leave any comment on a project or picture thread here?? You needn´t rush there now... Please go away! It will be a more peaceful place without your "enligthening" lectures and your shamelessly biased worldviews which you spread here.

I wish to concentrate my energy on pictures, news and projects, either join it or piss off

PEACE!

Le Phillippe, first of all thanks for your "support". Where did I say "petty stuff that doesn´t make people proud of their country"?? Show it to me, please! Do i go to the Kenyans, Angolans, Sudanese, Ethiopians and tell them what is wrong in their countries? , I am defending Nigeria and pushing things into perspective...If I piss you off, I am sorry for it but this won´t deter me from muzzling those stupid 2-3 voices that keep misinterpreting facts and talking badly of countries, in this case of Nigeria, which they seem to hate. This is what pisses me off for a long time on this forum, people coming here stirring up so many things. Should I sit back and say, yes, they are all right and thanks for their contributions.

Why can´t we concentrate on pics, news, projects??

You are right! but I haven´t specified the type of coin, so I will do it now. it is one of those coins made of white chocolate, you might know them from your childhood; the ones that normally taste sweet when you swallow them ...but in your case it was a deceitful white chocolate coin which had already been rotten from inside. I have eaten it again which has given me a bad stomache ache as you can see..

Aww sorry to disappoint but I'm not one for eating cheap crap. I prefer the REAL dark chocolate ones, but that doesn't work too well with your theory does it?

Here, all I have to say is when someone is acting no better than a complete ass ignore the,. Matt you have your moments and sometimes this happens. You know people really respect you and these kind of things makes people lose all respect for you!

Alex, Muttie, Matthias. At this stage i feel the need to call you guys to order. Lets have a civilized debate and not act like monkeys. This is perhaps a really bad way of re-enforcing the stereotypes that people often think of when they think of Africa and Africans. Why can't we just have an intelligent debate without being at each other's throats all the time.

No need to resort to calling each other by names and labeling people racists. Lets stick to the facts and numbers and that way, we are more likely to get our points across and look more intelligent. Matthias, i respect what you are doing on this forum with the wealth of information and pictures that you put up to show the great things that are happening in Africa, but i think you have to tone down on labeling people all kinds of things. I have noticed that you are the person who keeps telling people they are racists and are not from Brazil or where they say they are from bla bla bla. (SA appears to be the place where all people against your opinion comes from and white is their colour). All i am saying is that this diminishes your arguments and results in people ignoring your points.

You are wrong there. Where you to tkae into account that Nigeria's PPP is only a third seeing as the informal market is considered then you have a real figure of about $636 bn.

I don't understand that argument, because all you do to find the size of an economy is multiply the gdp per capita (in this case ppp) by the population. It totally neglects whose "officially" working or not. If what you say about the informal market is true, than those selling condoms or flowers by the street make more than say someone who works at a small shop? Ussually the poorest segments of the population are in the informal sector, because it requires relatively little skill and education.

Kulani, your right and I apologize I've stooped to the level of a child.

I don't understand that argument, because all you do to find the size of an economy is multiply the gdp per capita (in this case ppp) by the population. It totally neglects whose "officially" working or not. If what you say about the informal market is true, than those selling condoms or flowers by the street make more than say someone who works at a small shop? Ussually the poorest segments of the population are in the informal sector, because it requires relatively little skill and education.

Kulani, your right and I apologize I've stooped to the level of a child.

Nigeria's informal sector is massive. Anybody who has been to Lagos knows that more than a ten billion naira of trading is done on the streets daily. Surely this shows something

Nigeria's informal sector is massive. Anybody who has been to Lagos knows that more than a ten million naira of trading is done on the streets daily. Surely this shows something

All these estimates on the size of the informal sector are just guesses and I put no weight on them. In addition ever Africa country has a big informal sector and I don't see how Nigeria's is porpotionally larger than Egypts or Algeria's.

Anyway 10 million naira is only about 90,000 USD which isn't alot for a city the size of Lagos.

Aww sorry to disappoint but I'm not one for eating cheap crap. I prefer the REAL dark chocolate ones, but that doesn't work too well with your theory does it?

Lydon, who knows, maybe you are just colour-blind when it comes to sweets which still reinforces my initial bad perception that I have of you! Psychologist used to call it "selectively distorted perception".

Can we just igore each other from now on?

You go this way and I take the other way.

Here, all I have to say is when someone is acting no better than a complete ass ignore them,. Matt you have your moments and sometimes this happens. You know people really respect you and these kind of things makes people lose all respect for you!

You know that I have done it but still quarrels were raging between people, when something gets on my nerves (in this case certain members), I simply have to refute them even if I run the risk of dipleasing the ones that respect me for what I have contributed to this forum so far which was far from little.
Sorry, it goes against my nature to ignore, too simple!

Moreover, what is Alex doing on our forum if he is "Brazilian" or "American" based in Europe lathough he once claimed that he is living in Miami ....or South African or whomever? Do I go to other forums and tell people what´s wrong in their countries? When I go, I do show pictures of Africa, that´s all. But he is looking for trouble with his countless provocations, he knows that´s I am emotional and I am sure that just gives him an immense pleasure to cut the devil loose within me.

Alex, Muttie, Matthias. At this stage i feel the need to call you guys to order. Lets have a civilized debate and not act like monkeys. This is perhaps a really bad way of re-enforcing the stereotypes that people often think of when they think of Africa and Africans. Why can't we just have an intelligent debate without being at each other's throats all the time.

We can if people come here and respect each other which means not trampling on anyone´s country. This should be the basis of our forum, I wish the mod could simply delete the messages that will eventually lead to trouble posted by certain members.

Moreover, have you visited other forums and see how many threads have been locked there because people are quarreling, disputes are not just restricted to African sub-forum but are a dominant feature in many other sub-forums on SSC with a slight difference that moderator just ban the people or delete their messages.

No need to resort to calling each other by names and labeling people racists. Lets stick to the facts and numbers and that way, we are more likely to get our points across and look more intelligent. Matthias, i respect what you are doing on this forum with the wealth of information and pictures that you put up to show the great things that are happening in Africa, but i think you have to tone down on labeling people all kinds of things. I have noticed that you are the person who keeps telling people they are racists and are not from Brazil or where they say they are from bla bla bla. (SA appears to be the place where all people against your opinion comes from and white is their colour). All i am saying is that this diminishes your arguments and results in people ignoring your points.

1.) Didn´t I stick to the fact while presenting GDP figures of African countries which was in reply to people looking to downgrade certain African countries???

2.) Yes, I confess that I am overreacting but this is my nature I can´t go against it, if I feel injustice, I go for it. I am not a coward or a dimplomat. I am not perfect neither, we do all have our faults, that´s what makes us humans.

As for the "racist" kind of crap, how would you feel if people came to your forum by telling everytime what is wrong in SA, some people only wish to focus on the negative side. How many times did we have this on the forum already? Would you give them lollypops and gleefully sing a lullaby for them?
Certain members have a problem with certain nations in Africa, they don´t leave a stone unturned to look for provocation. Do you see me discussing polical or economic topics on the SA forum, btw? People that did raise critical points were dealt with in a firm way.

Nothing against you, you know that I respect you and your contributions as well but certain members have incited me to say things that look "unreflected" and "one-sided", if you take them out of their context and judge it superficially.

Well, now I am the bad guy just because I have spoken my mind freely again and haven´t gone the dimplomatic or should I say the hypocritical way??!!


Well, those that quarreled too much or had the gutts to speak up have always been historically labelled by society as the "bad guys" whether they were right or not.

Ahhh muttie and alex, where were you to comment when your countries were rated low on the HDI theread and even slid in the case of Marocco???!!! you talk about "fairness" about people lacking "criticism" but where are the slum picturs of Marocco? didn´t all the terrorist came from Marocco that bombed the trains in Spain where hundreds of people lost their life? Do you want me to present the other side of Marocco to you? I am not short of material, just a question of a few minutes, I have collected enough material the past months of any country, bad and good! You seem to have big islamist problems in your country and want to lecture the others incessantly. Well, I know how black Africans are treated in Marocco, a lot of racism in your country towards your African "brothers", this is no secret but documented in many articles that I have collected.

Always looking for exceptions, these are facts and figures but you you are in love with those facts and figures can´t face up to them when we present them to you!




Do you really think that Nigeria has no problems???
Civil wars, rebels who kidnap every week people and kill foreigners, riots between muslims and christians.

Before the elections in Nigeria a couple months ago, 200 people where killed. Miss universe a couple years ago became mass killing etc etc...

Nigeria is so rich, the have oil and gaz but very very poor. It is one of the poorest country in the world. Millions in Nigeria live in slums...

Matthais solve first your problems in Nigeria then attack Morocco.

The image of Nigeria in the world is a million times worser then the image of Morocco.

No, they are not but the thread is saying something about "largest economy" and not who is equipped with what, how much of the recent infrastructure is sponsored by big Daddy France and/or Europe in Marocco? Marocco profits a lot from the proximity to Europe, if it were in the middle of Africa, your country would be on par with the central african republic. Marocco is still like an unofficial French oversea department whereas Algeria desserves my full respect, they know how to stem the tide alone. and give it just five more years and it could easily swallow up Marocco without even batting an eyelid. If you get nasty, i will get, too.



Read what I meant about "population size" and even if it is relative, it DOES makes sense.

large vs. strong has also been explained by me earlier. We are turning in circles, why can´t you just swallow that Nigeria´s economy is double that of Marocco, a lot of reforms are in place, a lot still needs to be done, every Nigerian is aware of it In an investment magazine I recently read that some African countries including Nigeria are the next investment frontier, they were compared to Eastern European countries in the early 90´s...when this will happen, I don´t want you people to crawl up on our doorstep here or anywhere because I will puke you right into your hypocritic faces.:puke:


Morocco is still French???

Morocco has a lot of own companies, like ONA, banks etc. Some companies are for a part French and for a big part Moroccan. That is normal...

You are making a mistake. French is the second investor in Algeria and a is very good trade partner.

All the oil and gaz in Nigeria is in hands of foreigners like Shell, American oil campanies etc. Shell is more then 50 years in Nigeria and has done nothing. They have only ruined the enviorment and stolen the oil for a cheap price.
That is why the rebels are very angry and they have my support..

I have seen so much docus about Nigeria here in the west. People who supported the rebels where burned down in their slums. 70% lives in extreme poverty and the elite lives in extreme richdom...

Matthais, It is sad that you attacking Morocco but you corrupt goverment are you not attacking.

Ahhh muttie and alex, where were you to comment when your countries were rated low on the HDI theread and even slid in the case of Marocco???!!! you talk about "fairness" about people lacking "criticism" but where are the slum picturs of Marocco? didn´t all the terrorist came from Marocco that bombed the trains in Spain where hundreds of people lost their life? Do you want me to present the other side of Marocco to you? I am not short of material, just a question of a few minutes, I have collected enough material the past months of any country, bad and good! You seem to have big islamist problems in your country and want to lecture the others incessantly. Well, I know how black Africans are treated in Marocco, a lot of racism in your country towards your African "brothers", this is no secret but documented in many articles that I have collected.

Always looking for exceptions, these are facts and figures but you you are in love with those facts and figures can´t face up to them when we present them to you!

Morocco has no racism.
10-30% of Morocco is black and you have a lot of mixed people..
The wife of king Mohammed V was black.

I know so many black Moroccans. I have never heard thet they are been discriminated. In the Islam is racism forbidden...

Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt get money from the EU to do something about the immigration from Africa. If they don't the get a problem.

It has nothing to do with color. The EU forces North Africa countries to protect the borders and stop the immigration from other part of Africa. The North Africa borders are financed by the EU...

Go away now! I won´t excuse for anything that I said! No way! I have explained myself, everything other thing would be a repitition and has been clarified for my part!! Muttie and Alex worked up on me too much. They are unwilling to accept fact, that Nigeria is No.2 in Africa in terms of GDP, what is so difficzlt to undertand??

Why can´t people stick to their own sub-forums, do I languish on Marocco forum?? I principally stick to our sub-forum and every know and then leave a few African city pics on other forums but I don´t go there to engage into inner political discussion with people.

LEARN TO RESPECT AFRICAN COUNTRIES!!!! TIMES OF CONSTANT LECTURES ARE BY-GONE!!!

So either you contribute to our sub-forum (pictures, news, new developments) or .....! Is that asked too much?

the strongest economies in Africa are South Africa, Egypt and Nigeria!

Mince alors, when does it enter your heads, even Algeria is bigger than Marocco, Capiche?!



Where do you come from? And where have you been to?

I have more respect for a brothers the Algerians then for the Nigeria goverment. Algeria uses their oil and gaz good. You wouldn't see such extreme poverty like in Nigeria in Algeria.

In Algeria everybody has a house, electricity, water and good education...

Nigeria can learn a lot from Algeria...

Gus i dont know if it has already been mentioned. But i dont think that you should use Wikipedia as a source - its so unreliable, if i wanted to chage it, i could say that Zimbabwe is the richest coutry in Africa. Its very unreliable

Who cares who has a big economy

Let us Africans concentrate on fighting corruption, poverty etc. 25% of African GDP vanishes because of corruption.

That is the biggest problem. It doens't matter is you have the biggest economy of Africa. If the corruption is big too. No one profits from it...

Guys

You have to understand that Mister79, Alex Roney and Muttie are here to read the scripts given to them by their "Masters", that is Africa is a place where people die of starvation, kill each other and live in the jungles. The earlier you ignore their trash, the better they will realise that since nobody responds to their thrash, they can go elsewhere. You see, they write these things to boost their egos.

Well said, the informal market in Nigeria is at least three times that of the formal market. In Lagos, I beleieve that the figure could be put to about 10 billion naira a day that trade hands, especially in the markets, motor parks and many other areas where there is no regulation.

Continue to post the developments and let the guys I have mentioned continue to post their Thrash, as long as nobody responds, they will find some where else to go.

Nigeria's informal sector is massive. Anybody who has been to Lagos knows that more than a ten million naira of trading is done on the streets daily. Surely this shows something

You are to blame just pointed on something I was about to touch on. Most African countries have large informal sectors, so its hard to calculate which is bigger. Just as he's pointed out, 90,000 USD a day in a city of over 10 million isn't that much. It again brings up my point, using your argument you assume that those in the informal sector make more than those with "registered" salaries. 9/10 times thats not the case.

Guys

You have to understand that Mister79, Alex Roney and Muttie are here to read the scripts given to them by their "Masters", that is Africa is a place where people die of starvation, kill each other and live in the jungles. The earlier you ignore their trash, the better they will realise that since nobody responds to their thrash, they can go elsewhere. You see, they write these things to boost their egos.

Well said, the informal market in Nigeria is at least three times that of the formal market. In Lagos, I beleieve that the figure could be put to about 10 billion naira a day that trade hands, especially in the markets, motor parks and many other areas where there is no regulation.

Continue to post the developments and let the guys I have mentioned continue to post their Thrash, as long as nobody responds, they will find some where else to go.


Don't be so pathetic. All Africa is emerging, some countries are emerging faster then others...

It is sad that you don't mention Matthias who is saying that all Moroccans are terrorists, racists and all Moroccans live alle in slums...

If you look to my old reactions then you see that I have said many times that Nigeria is on the good way and that Nigeria has the chicken with the golden eggs...

I have only defended my country against the racists comments of Matthias...

LOL Matt is getting so angry over nothing its laughable. And no need to answer Matt, I'm not talking to you.

Gus i dont know if it has already been mentioned. But i dont think that you should use Wikipedia as a source - its so unreliable, if i wanted to chage it, i could say that Zimbabwe is the richest coutry in Africa. Its very unreliable

If you did that, then the mods would ban your account and change the data back to its original.

You are to blame just pointed on something I was about to touch on. Most African countries have large informal sectors, so its hard to calculate which is bigger. Just as he's pointed out, 90,000 USD a day in a city of over 10 million isn't that much. It again brings up my point, using your argument you assume that those in the informal sector make more than those with "registered" salaries. 9/10 times thats not the case.

Sorry I meant ten billion.. My bad. :P

All Africa is emerging...

It is difficult to say witch countries are going to be big economies in the future, because it depends on a lot of factors. Maybe Zimbabwe can become in the future a very big economy if Muguba is gone, the have a lot of potential.

No one could predict a couple years ago that Angola is going to be so big and that they would have an economic growth of 25% a year...

Go away now! I won´t excuse for anything that I said! No way! I have explained myself, everything other thing would be a repitition and has been clarified for my part!! Muttie and Alex worked up on me too much. They are unwilling to accept fact, that Nigeria is No.2 in Africa in terms of GDP, what is so difficzlt to undertand??

Why can´t people stick to their own sub-forums, do I languish on Marocco forum?? I principally stick to our sub-forum and every know and then leave a few African city pics on other forums but I don´t go there to engage into inner political discussion with people.

LEARN TO RESPECT AFRICAN COUNTRIES!!!! TIMES OF CONSTANT LECTURES ARE BY-GONE!!!

So either you contribute to our sub-forum (pictures, news, new developments) or .....! Is that asked too much?


Lol you clearly DONT read the posts of both Alex and me, your rant just goes on and on and on while your facts aren't right. So please i beg you to show me an objective website where it shows that nigeria has the second GDP (PPP) of Africa. And yes, PPP is an important correction because it shows the power of the amount the country can pursache.

Next to that, you are talking in a general African Subforum, not a Nigerian subforum. (Nor is this thread a Nigerian thread). And oh yeah...another thing.. its Morocco not Marocco.

To continue my story, i havent seen any post of me or Alex that said that Nigeria wouldnt or wil not be the largest economy of Africa. Actually we both already explained that theres a 100% chance in the future that it will be the largest economy of africa. The only thing we said is that even tho it will be the largest economy in africa, you have to put things in perspective. In other words, be realistic. Ask yourself WHY there is a 100% chance that it will be the largest economy of Africa.

So lets see , i accept the fact that it will be the largest economy of africa. Thats step 1.

Now do you, matthias, accept the fact that Nigeria has the largest population of africa and that the second largest country of africa has 70 million inhabitents less? And do you accept the fact that Morocco has 30 million people and can NEVER be the largest economy on the continent, and Nigeria has 140 million people so it will certainly will be the largest economy on the continent? So comparing those two in terms of GDP (without any correction) is like comparing apples with oranges?

Muttie

No "Objective" website will rate Nigeria that high. Why? because there are NONE. As I stated in my earlier mail, according to all your "Objective" web sites, Sub Sahara africa (except South Africa) is a place where people kill themselves, die of starvation and live on trees like monkeys.

Muttie

No "Objective" website will rate Nigeria that high. Why? because there are NONE. As I stated in my earlier mail, according to all your "Objective" web sites, Sub Sahara africa (except South Africa) is a place where people kill themselves, die of starvation and live on trees like monkeys.

Thats just nonsens, why put yourself in a victim role? The economist is a well respected paper. Next to that, are you trying to say that there aren't any objective websites when it comes to Africa? Then this discussion is pretty useless since we cannot check the facts mentioned in this thread. Oh and could you tell me what you meant "by our masters", in your previous reply? I dont have any master, well accept God.

Muttie, Alex, Lydon or the rest of the Nigeria-hating gang, it makes absolutely no sense talking to you, you are beyond comprehension, it is a sheer waste of time and energy so can we agree on the "fact" that Nigeria is "trash" and your countries are "heaven on earth", a position that is "unattainable" for Nigeria, "of course". If this makes you happy to hear, so here you have got it, get yourselves your some lollypops now!

As Adebayoa,said, ignorance is the best medice, I practiced myself often in the past on SSC but frequently failed again, I will give it another go

So feel free to rant about Nigeria, feel free to post bad news, feel free to twist my words so that it suits your argumenst best, fell free to say that your are presenting the facts while I am unable to accept them although I only presented clear facts to you as well, feel free to glorify your countries to heaven by enjoying spitting on others although you claim that you just want the "best" for other African countries, feel free to discuss topics on an open forum which you seem to lay so much emphasis on, feel free to engage in your dimplomatic but strategically psychological and verbally intrusive warefare, feel free to rejoice at other´s people outburst of tempers which were provoked by you while you stand there with your "clean records", fighting for the "good cause" on SSC, feel free to post whatever you want to do...as for me you are all thin air from now on. OKPOH!

Muttie, Alex, Lydon or the rest of the Nigeria-hating gang, it makes absolutely no sense talking to you, you are beyond comprehension, it is a sheer waste of time and energy so can we agree on the "fact" that Nigeria is "trash" and your countries are "heaven on earth", a position that is "unattainable" for Nigeria, "of course". If this makes you happy to hear, so here you have got it, get yourselves some lollypops now!

As Adebayoa,said, ignorance is the best medicine, I practiced myself often in the past on SSC but frequently failed again, I will give it another go

So feel free to rant about Nigeria, feel free to post bad news, feel free to twist my words so that it suits your argumenst best, fell free to say that your are presenting the facts while I am unable to accept them although I only presented clear facts to you as well, feel free to glorify your countries to heaven by enjoying spitting on others although you claim that you just want the "best" for other African countries, feel free to discuss topics on an open forum which you seem to lay so much emphasis on, feel free to engage in your dimplomatic but strategically psychological and verbally intrusive warefare, feel free to rejoice at other´s people outburst of tempers which were provoked by you while you stand there with your "clean records", fighting for the "good cause" on SSC, feel free to post whatever you want to do...as for me you are all thin air from now on. OKPOH!

[SIZE="3"]Muttie, Alex, Lydon or the rest of the Nigeria-hating gang, it makes absolutely no sense talking to you, you are beyond comprehension, it is a sheer waste of time and energy so can we agree on the "fact" that Nigeria is "trash" and your countries are "heaven on earth", a position that is "unattainable" for Nigeria, "of course". If this makes you happy to hear, so here you have got it, get yourselves some lollypops now!

Firstly, please learn how to speak and write the English language properly before you attempt to insult someone in it. It only turns you into the laughing stock when you can't say what you mean.

Secondly, no one is forcing you to answer, yet you continue to over and again. If you're so tired, please...go take a nap in the mental institution you call home.

Once again I stress the fact that NO ONE except you have stated that Nigeria is trash (and don't for a second think that you can deny it considering I just quoted you saying it above). In order to put an end to this and prove your point I ask of you to please quote me saying that Nigeria is trash.

And lastly, obviously you lack the ability to understand simple economics. Nobody cares whether Nigeria has the 2nd largest GDP in Africa. The fact that it has more than triple the population of South Africa screams that there is something seriously wrong in terms of GDP per capita.

Come speak to us once Nigeria's GDP per capita has trippled or exceeded that of South Africa and maybe someone will start taking you seriously. :banana:

Oh, I almost forgot. Hmmm this lollypop is good :cheers:

Muttie The economist is a well respected paper..Muttie I can see that your a very low IQ, you cannot even spell nonsense properly. The Economist is a respected paper for narrow and low minded people like you, I have nothing else to say muttie other than that I have added you to my ignore list, so that I do not have to waste my time reading your posts again.

=Muttie;17080184The economist is a well respected paper..Muttie I can see that your a very low IQ, you cannot even spell nonsense properly. The Economist is a respected paper for narrow and low minded people like you, I have nothing else to say muttie other than that I have added you to my ignore list, so that I do not have to waste my time reading your posts again.

Firstly, please learn how to speak and write the English language properly before you attempt to insult someone in it. It only turns you into the laughing stock when you can't say what you mean.

I am typing very quickly, so faults creep in easily. So tell me if you need an Esperanto-English dictonary.:lol:

Secondly, no one is forcing you to answer, yet you continue to over and again. If you're so tired, please...go take a nap in the mental institution you call home.

You and the rest of the band is forcing me to reply. And you said that nobody is insulting me although it is you who is showering with me insults....:lol:

Once again I stress the fact that NO ONE except you have stated that Nigeria is trash (and don't for a second think that you can deny it considering I just quoted you saying it above). In order to put an end to this and prove your point I ask of you to please quote me saying that Nigeria is trash.

Well, really????!!! You are more of an ***** than I might imagine in my wildest dreams. You implicity and directly said it. Moreover I put the words into inverted commas, you don´t seem to be able to understand the little nuances, d******s!

And lastly, obviously you lack the ability to understand simple economics. Nobody cares whether Nigeria has the 2nd largest GDP in Africa. The fact that it has more than triple the population of South Africa screams that there is something seriously wrong in terms of GDP per capita.


Read what I had to say about the parametre of size, you people always look for exceptions when it comes to certain countries although the figures speak for themselves and then you are claiming to be objective. Nigeria is No.2, button it, we are just getting started while your country is compartively "saturated". It is no longer a question whether Nigeria surpasses South Africa, it is just a logic consequence of the economic reforms initiated. So it is you who should take a few urgent lessons in economics because economics is one of my minors. No need to tell me that you major in economics now or I would ask you whether you passed your classes on a toilet seat in Stellenbosch!?

Come speak to us once Nigeria's GDP per capita has trippled or exceeded that of South Africa and maybe someone will start taking you seriously.

This is an insult that shows your prejudiced and disrepectful attitude you adopt when it comes to Nigeria.

Well, then let me be biased "once more". Unpredicatable and corrupt Jacob Zuma is knocking at South Africa´s door, I don´t want to spell doom or gloom but I think your days are counted (will he find solutions to South Africa´s most pressing issues? only history will tell).... :D

Oh, I almost forgot. Hmmm this lollypop is good

Enjoy, the sweetness of life as long as you can!:D Honeymoons are not made to last for eternity.

Shame on me that I have again spoken to you, d*******s!

Firstly, anybody has the right to prasie his or her own country regardless of the status.

Secondly, I don't think it's right for anybody to always comment about the wrong side of any country regardless of the status.

On the final note, If people should continue to row on what I call fighting-on-the-non-importance to this extent proves the poor abilities of understanding of the African economy by most of you commenting on it--of which the world thought is really having its best moment since independence. Meanwhile, Matthias, you can control your anger a bit because these comments are not actually going to affect your country Nigeria in no way.

I hope everybody will come to term for Africa economy to be understood by some of us who are keeping close watch on what we are reading here daily.

friendsofthecity I will keep quiet when those guys face up to reality, they are the ones that present us the figures all the time but are unwilling to concede when the name Nigeria turns up. nobody every denied that Nigeria is free of problems, we are very far from it! But a few points should be made clear:

1.) Nigeria is No.2 in Africa in terms of GDP size. (Economist stats)

2.) Nigeria has come a long way from 1999 (debts paid off, growing exchange resserves , currently sound macro-economic picture, a set of new private reforms been initiated, , Africa´s largest recipient of FDI last year due to FT, a lot in the non-oil sector, improvement in the sector of material infratsructure , inflow of foreign and strong interest by local businessmen, a very well-educated elite in Nigeria and its huge diaspora etc.). Nigeria is at the beginning of a new transformation like South Asia in the mid 90´s or some parts of Eastern Europe in the early 90´s, even European investment magazines have featured stories about it...and aware of the fact that Nigeria is the next emerging market.

3.) People should stop to focus only on the negative side of a country. If they continue, nevertheless, I have collected enough information (visual and news) to show them the reality of their respective countries, the reality that we don´t see here and I have two particular African countries in mind; some of those forumers that come here to look for trouble instead of contributing in a meaningful way (pics, projects, more news).

4.) Disputes are not a feature of this sub-forum but something which takes place in many sub-forums.

You and the rest of the band is forcing me to reply. And you said that nobody is insulting me although it is you who is showering with me insults....:lol:

An eye for an eye :banana:

Well, really????!!! You are more of an ***** than I might imagine in my wildest dreams. You implicity and directly said it. Moreover I put the words into inverted commas, you don´t seem to be able to understand the little nuances, d******s!

I didn't ask you to put ANYTHING in inverted commas. QUOTE me.

Read what I had to say about the parametre of size, you people always look for exceptions when it comes to certain countries although the figures speak for themselves and then you are claiming to be objective. Nigeria is No.2, button it, we are just getting started while your country is compartively "saturated". It is no longer a question whether Nigeria surpasses South Africa, it is just a logic consequence of the economic reforms initiated. So it is you who should take a few urgent lessons in economics because economics is one of my minors. No need to tell me that you major in economics now or I would ask you whether you passed your classes on a toilet seat in Stellenbosch!?

I would expect Nigeria to be second, actually wait...I would expect it to be FIRST considering its size. But is it there? No sir it isn't. South Africa saturated? Lol...our economy is growing at a respectable rate, so please don't embarrass yourself. Whether Nigeria overtakes us in the future or not is the least of my worries. I actually hope they do because they certainly need the money more than we do :lol: And regardless of where I study, at least I can say that I don't have to run off to foreign European countries in order to get a respectable education unlike *some* of us :nuts:


This is an insult that shows your prejudiced and disrepectful attitude you adopt when it comes to Nigeria.

Disrespectful towards Nigeria? Not at all...it's you I have no respect for. I have many Nigerian friends, who thankfully are nothing like you. I am very glad I met them before you because the picture you paint of the people in your country is quite frankly...scary.


Well, then let me be biased "once more". Unpredicatable and corrupt Jacob Zuma is knocking at South Africa´s door, I don´t want to spell doom or gloom but I think your days are counted (will he find solutions to South Africa´s most pressing issues? only history will tell).... :D

Yes, Jacob Zuma may be South Africas next president...I'm sure you'd love that wouldn't you? So that the African "lion" Nigeria can somehow overtake South Africa and be the "winner." You see...for you it's all about numbers and bragging rights when it comes to your country. You're so adamant on getting Nigeria to the top of "the list," so often denying the many problems it has as we all do. You try to paint this picture that all is well and good in Nigeria and that by goodness by the end of the year they will miraculously be the superpower of the World. Well dream on...it's not going to happen, at least for a number of years.

P.S. I think you meant "I think your days are NUMBERED." :lol:

Enjoy, the sweetness of life as long as you can!:D Honeymoons are not made to last for eternity.

Yes, it's just a shame that some don't even get to experience the joys of a honeymoon :lol:


Shame on me that I have again spoken to you, d*******s!

Though I would like to have more meat on my body, I am a single person, so using the plural form of a word to refer to me isn't correct.

Disrespectful towards Nigeria? Not at all...it's you I have no respect for. I have many Nigerian friends, who thankfully are nothing like you. I am very glad I met them before you because the picture you paint of the people in your country is quite frankly...scary.


hahahah, oh yes, they taught you how to "respect" Nigeria, then. If you had Nigerian friends, I would be related to the Sultan of Brunei.:lol:

I would expect Nigeria to be second, actually wait...I would expect it to be FIRST considering its size. But is it there? No sir it isn't. South Africa saturated? Lol...our economy is growing at a respectable rate, so please don't embarrass yourself. Whether Nigeria overtakes us in the future or not is the least of my worries. I actually hope they do because they certainly need the money more than we do And regardless of where I study, at least I can say that I don't have to run off to foreign European countries in order to get a respectable education unlike *some* of us

Have you read the history of Nigeria? I doubt it, otherwise you wouldn´t scribble such nonsense. Suffering under decades of plundering military dictatorship wasn´t a joke.

hahah, you can get respectable education in Nigeria as well and how many SA studenst are studying in UK, OZ or in US?

As for the economy, Well, I am happy that it entered your childish head that Nigeria will be NO.1 in Africa....as for the money, I think there are countries in Africa that need more the money than Naija, but anyway, it is just the normal course that Nigeria will lead, WE ARE BOUND TO BECOME NO.1 IN AFRICA.:cheers: The reforms are all in place...the race is beginning.

Moreover, if everything was so pale in Nigeria as you are alluding to throughout your older postings, why do so many SA companies are knocking at our door?



Yes, it's just a shame that some don't even get to experience the joys of a honeymoon

It is not a question of "getting to enjoy the joys of a honeymoon" but it is just a question of TIME. everybody and everything in our world has its "showtime" sooner or later..

Though I would like to have more meat on my body, I am a single person, so using the plural form of a word to refer to me isn't correct.

It was intentional!;)

P.S. I think you meant "I think your days are NUMBERED." :lol:

Haven´t you understand my allusion???


Yes, Jacob Zuma may be South Africas next president...I'm sure you'd love that wouldn't you? So that the African "lion" Nigeria can somehow overtake South Africa and be the "winner." You see...for you it's all about numbers and bragging rights when it comes to your country. You're so adamant on getting Nigeria to the top of "the list," so often denying the many problems it has as we all do. You try to paint this picture that all is well and good in Nigeria and that by goodness by the end of the year they will miraculously be the superpower of the World. Well dream on...it's not going to happen, at least for a number of years.




There is a brief English saying: "SAY NEVER NO!"



I have read quite a lot about South Africa´s paranoid involvement in the wars of Mozambique and Angola, your former regimes contributed to a large extent to the destruction of two beautiful countries (just for fear of communism and black rule and meaner/more perverse motives) and now you want to present yourself with a "clean record" now? Well, You are still to young to understand the true meaning of the word "collective guilt", even if your ancestors brought misery to so many people and countries, your hands are still collectively steeped in blood!

Just the word "sorry" could help a lot. Algeria is still waiting for that little word from France till today. No feeling of remorse.

P.S. I think you meant "I think your days are NUMBERED."
Haven´t you understood my allusion???

Just the word "sorry" could help a lot. Algeria is still waiting for that little word from France till today. No feeling of remorse.

Sorry is just a word, and as you just mentioned no matter what happens they will still be "stained with blood."

:lol::lol::lol: Do you even know who my ancestors are? Lmfao I must show a family member this. It's purely hilarious.

P.S. I thought you were going to stop answering? Or am I just too irresistible for an Africa-abandoner like you?

Do you even know who my ancestors are? Lmfao I must show a family member this. It's purely hilarious.

P.S. I thought you were going to stop answering? Or am I just too irresistible for an Africa-abandoner like you?



I will stop answering when you concede to the fact that Nigeria is No.2 in Africa in terms of GDP, just button it!

Sorry is just a word, and as you just mentioned no matter what happens they will still be "stained with blood."

Of course, they will remain stained in blood but the word "sorry" if it is taken seriously can be the dawn of a new beginning! Nobody can wipe out past deeds any more but people like you even show no remorse and keep on looking down on others, poking fun at Nigeria in older postings of yours etc.

Lydon

You can rant and rant, but it is a fact that most of South Africa's wealth are concentrated in the hands of white South Africans, which is how you and some other White South Africans want it. I have come to learn that many of you share more similarities with Nazi germany and other right wing racist groups. Never mind, I have now added you to my ignore list, because that is what your posts deserve.

Muttie I can see that your a very low IQ, you cannot even spell nonsense properly. The Economist is a respected paper for narrow and low minded people like you, I have nothing else to say muttie other than that I have added you to my ignore list, so that I do not have to waste my time reading your posts again.


LOL....did someone talk about spelling mistakes? :lol: But yes good arguments! The Economist is being read all over the world...but now lets reduce it to a poo paper for narrow and low minded people like me, that will surely change the facts.

THIS WHOLE THREAD HAS TURNED INTO SH1TE. it is ok to disagree and argue in a civilised manner but this is pure stupidity at full manifestation. i am sure that LYDON MUTTIE AND ALEX are as african as matt, adebayoa, me and the others so it id hard to believe that any of us wants anything bad for the other guy. THAT IS WHY THIS THREAD HAS TURNED INTO SH1TE

I will stop answering when you concede to the fact that Nigeria is No.2 in Africa in terms of GDP, just button it!


Lmao I stated myself that they are number two, and rightfully so. So what exactly is the problem?

Lydon

You can rant and rant, but it is a fact that most of South Africa's wealth are concentrated in the hands of white South Africans, which is how you and some other White South Africans want it. I have come to learn that many of you share more similarities with Nazi germany and other right wing racist groups. Never mind, I have now added you to my ignore list, because that is what your posts deserve.

Lmfao yay that goes both ways.

No one said the wealth is not concentrated in the hands of the white people, but that clearly is starting to change and rightfully so.

And is this not the case in Nigeria too? The wealth is concentrated in the hands of the elite while the poor everyday citizen suffers. Nigeria and SA have more similarities than we may think.

THIS WHOLE THREAD HAS TURNED INTO SH1TE. it is ok to disagree and argue in a civilised manner but this is pure stupidity at full manifestation. i am sure that LYDON MUTTIE AND ALEX are as african as matt, adebayoa, me and the others so it id hard to believe that any of us wants anything bad for the other guy. THAT IS WHY THIS THREAD HAS TURNED INTO SH1TE

Thank you. At least you can see the clear image here. Of course we all have different opinions on topics but that does not mean we want anything bad to happen to anyone else.

They revised changing the methodology for PPP both China and India have been slashed by 40%.

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/ICPINT/Resources/summary-tables.pdf

You can also see the total global share of the African economy, 3.34% for PPP and 1.89% for Nominal.

interesting. it seems the new system affects non western countries negatively. im surprised to see south america has such a small portion of the world's economy

interesting. it seems the new system affects non western countries negatively. im surprised to see south america has such a small portion of the world's economy

It was an open secret that the Chinese economy by the past PPP measurement was grossly inflated, by how much no one knew. But I'm not surprised by South America's proportion of the global economy, their are only 371 million South American, making us about 6% of global population. We are only slightly underrepresentated using PPP.

Nigeria went up from 191 billion to 247 billion!!!

Yeah Nigeria was the big winner in Africa as far as I can see. South Africa GDP PPP fell alot though maybe by 1/3. They don't have stats for Algeria or Libya but if they were included them to Africa's total then the continent would have a similar GDP PPP as India and an even farther lead in nominal GDP and that's with a population 20% smaller than India.

They revised changing the methodology for PPP both China and India have been slashed by 40%.

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/ICPINT/Resources/summary-tables.pdf

You can also see the total global share of the African economy, 3.34% for PPP and 1.89% for Nominal.

if they had included Libya and Algeria to Africa's total it would be about 15% higher.

Also Nigeria's Economy is probably around 300 Billion by now

The largest economies in Africa are UK, France and Spain.

The three countries have territories in Africa.


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Nigeria went up from 191 billion to 247 billion!!!

A great news, that Nigeria's PPP per head under new calculation by World Bank is 70% higher than previously thought :okay:

intersting that PPP wise egypt is almost as big as SA though nominal much small. Nigeria tho is larger PPP wise

The largest economies in Africa are UK, France and Spain.

The three countries have territories in Africa.


:lol::lol::lol::lol:



:lol: that is funny.


...but lets just pretend for a second that the majority of those nations (U.K.,France,Spain) populations dont reside on the African continent....


...nice try though friend. :)

It gives me immense pleasure reading this kind of thread. Sorry for bumping it!

You are 101% right. It is a complete irrelevance. It is irrelevant that India has a bigger economy than Norway, what is more important is that Norway has a far bigger GDP per head than India. Nigeria may have a bigger economy than Cape Verde, Mauritius or Botswana but these countries are far richer.

It does show, however, how important an economy is globally but that doenst affect the living standards of its inhabitants.

Its like saying that a couple with four children, earning $50,000 a year to feed the whole family is better off than a single man earning $40,000.

Ive seen all your pose.. you Ghana boy not surprisingly sees nothing positive about Nigeria.. you guise your biased analysis under a cloak of figurative bullshit.