Polish weekly "Wprost" just released its latest annual list of 100 richest people in Eastern Europe.

There's been a few changes from last year...most importantly, Oleg Deripaska replaced Roman Abramovich as the richest in our region.

Top25...


1 Dieripaska, Oleg Rosja 30 000 mln USD
2 Abramowicz, Roman Rosja 22 000 mln USD
3 Timczenko, Giennadij Polska 20 000 mln USD
4 Achmetow, Renat Ukraina 18 700 mln USD
5 Lisin, Władimir Rosja 16 500 mln USD
6 Potanin, Władimir Rosja 15 000 mln USD
7 Prochorow, Michaił Rosja 15 000 mln USD
8 Fridman, Michaił Rosja 14 500 mln USD
9 Mordaszow, Aleksiej Rosja 13 500 mln USD
10 Kierimow, Sulejman Rosja 13 000 mln USD
11 Alekpierow, Wagit Rosja 12 500 mln USD
12 Wieksielbierg, Wiktor Rosja 12 500 mln USD
13 Jewtuszenkow, Władimir Rosja 9 000 mln USD
14 Kołomojski, Ihor Ukraina 8 900 mln USD
15 Machmudow, Iskander Rosja 8 500 mln USD
16 Chan, Gierman Rosja 8 000 mln USD
17 Pinczuk, Wiktor Ukraina 7 500 mln USD
18 Bogdanow, Władimir Rosja 6 000 mln USD
19 Kuzmiczew, Aleksiej Rosja 6 000 mln USD
20 Kellner, Petr Czechy 5 800 mln USD
21 Taruta, Serhij Ukraina 5 200 mln USD
22 Abramow, Aleksandr Rosja 5 000 mln USD
23 Zepter, Philip Serbia 4 400 mln USD
24 Fedun, Leonid Rosja 4 000 mln USD
25 Cwietkow, Nikołaj Rosja 4 000 mln USD


The list is made up of...

41 Russians, 23 Poles, 21 Ukrainians, 8 Romanians, 3 Czechs, 3 Serbs, 3 Croats and 1 Bulgarian

Full list here:
http://najbogatsieuropejczycy.wprost.pl

^^ There are 24 Ukrainians and 15 Poles in that list

I am so glad there is only one Bulgarian in this list.

75 Becali, George „Gigi” Rumunia 900 mln USD
:nuts: Oh brother...

^^ There are 24 Ukrainians and 15 Poles in that listYeah, Timczenko Giennadij is definitely not a Pole, just like Michelson Leonid.

We need a TOP100 richest EE with clean money, not with commie capitals......

^^ Would be ... nil ... zero ... nothing :nuts: :lol:

what about bosnia, there should be many polticians on that list

I'm amazed there is noone from Hungary, Slovakia and the Baltic republics..

Ahhh, we used to have 3 billionaires 6-7 years ago. Two of them were shot. Isn't Bulgaria an interesting place? :)

I'm amazed there is noone from Hungary, Slovakia and the Baltic republics..

Ahhh, we used to have 3 billionaires 6-7 years ago. Two of them were shot. Isn't Bulgaria an interesting place? :)

The list of the top 100 rich hungarians.
First column is obvious,second is profile,third is wealth in forint(billion)
http://www.origo.hu/uzletinegyed/hirek/20021115elso.html

what about bosnia, there should be many polticians on that list

:rofl:

I'm amazed there is noone from Hungary, Slovakia and the Baltic republics..

Ahhh, we used to have 3 billionaires 6-7 years ago. Two of them were shot.
which reminds me again about how clean "their" money is!

which reminds me again about how clean "their" money is!

I think our rich people only tries to keep a low profile because of taxation:) Many people in this country live in shacks officially.In the richest parts of Hungary. Our old PM had an old opel astra...again,officially. Although his wife owned a winery in Tokaj,and only god knows how much things. Every rich here tries to avoid fame and recognition.
And actually(no offence or anything),the 2nd richest romanian is(or was,I'm not sure) an ethnic hungarian.

We need a TOP100 richest EE with clean money, not with commie capitals......

there's no such thing as clean money. every person that is rich stepped on people below them in a "not so clean" way. but we ee'ians redefine the word.

And actually(no offence or anything),the 2nd richest romanian is(or was,I'm not sure) an ethnic hungarian.

You mean Gigi Becali? :lol:

Seriously, who's that and how's that an offense?

How many SSC members on the list?

:crazy:

You mean Gigi Becali? :lol:

Seriously, who's that and how's that an offense?

No.Zoltán Teszári.

http://www.diepresse.com/home/wirtschaft/eastconomist/322787/index.do

I rather say "no offence",than getting into some argument regarding our past and future and such.

You mean Gigi Becali? :lol:

Seriously, who's that and how's that an offense?

It is Zoltán Teszári from Oradea/Nagyvárad, the owner of RCS and RDS telecom group. His most famous brand is DigiTV, well known in Romania, Hungary and Slovakia. The group's income in 2006 was 300 million USD with a profit of 120 million USD, according to Ziarul Financiar.

Source: http://index.hu/gazdasag/vilag/romga070802/

How many SSC members on the list?

:crazy:Apparently neither me, nor you, nor any other Slovenian, Macedonian and so on. :lol:

Apparently neither me, nor you, nor any other Slovenian, Macedonian and so on. :lol:
My father was in the "who is who in Hungary" book published this year. It contains the ~6000 leading(meaning approximately ~important) people in the country.

After Denmark, Hungary supposedly has the most equal distribution of wealth.

Distribution of wealth within countries around the world, calculated using the GINI index:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/World_Map_Gini_coefficient.png

-Ataman

Everyone equally poor or what?:):lol:

No way Zoltan Teszari is a billionaire. Ziarul Financiar was merely speculating on the future market cap of RCS&RDS once listed. Which is as precise as my fantasies.

No way Zoltan Teszari is a billionaire. Ziarul Financiar was merely speculating on the future market cap of RCS&RDS once listed. Which is as precise as my fantasies.

Is ZF an unreliable information source?

Depends what you read in ZF. Their first page stories - like this one on Teszari - are usually pumped up to sell more papers and they do fuck up articles about listed companies from time to time (which I suspect that it is usually done on purpose to manipulate the market).

The listing of RCS&RDS will clear things up. As far as I know, Teszari doesn't own the whole company. I've got nothing against him, but RCS&RDS is a shit company.

More and more I like socialism you know...not the Russian way though...

I'll never vote for our stupid socialistic party though, they suck!

BTW Spain and France seem to be much more socialist countries than Bulgaria nowadays. Though it may sound strange. And I liked them, indeed.

Depends what you read in ZF. Their first page stories - like this one on Teszari - are usually pumped up to sell more papers and they do fuck up articles about listed companies from time to time (which I suspect that it is usually done on purpose to manipulate the market).

The listing of RCS&RDS will clear things up. As far as I know, Teszari doesn't own the whole company. I've got nothing against him, but RCS&RDS is a shit company.

So ZF pumped up the story, and thr Hungarian papers pumped it up even more, that's why we read this :)

After Denmark, Hungary supposedly has the most equal distribution of wealth.

This must be totally false. Or, it is based on wrong data. BTW half of the country is said to earn minimal wage while some of them owns a BMW X5 an spends summer in Gran Canaria... I'm really curious t know how they do it :)
Anyway the news are always saying that the difference between the poorest and the richest is increasing...

And the middle class in Hungary is getting poorer and poorer... :ohno:

And the middle class in Hungary is getting poorer and poorer... :ohno:

Or everybody is lying to the APEH,and you can find 1 billion HUF under the pillows in every single household:)

^^ There are 24 Ukrainians and 15 Poles in that list

Yeah, Timczenko Giennadij is definitely not a Pole, just like Michelson Leonid.

There really are 24 Ukrainians, it isn't that hard to count:

http://najbogatsieuropejczycy.wprost.pl/?e=50&kr=4&b=-1

This list is fun, but nothing more than that. They cant possibly create an accurate list of the richest people

This must be totally false. Or, it is based on wrong data. BTW half of the country is said to earn minimal wage while some of them owns a BMW X5 an spends summer in Gran Canaria... I'm really curious t know how they do it :)


The grass is greener on the other side.


Anyway the news are always saying that the difference between the poorest and the richest is increasing...


This is true for all Eastern European countries.

And the middle class in Hungary is getting poorer and poorer... :ohno:

Hungary would rank last on a scale that measures optimism (although this statement itself is overly pessimistic).

-Ataman

I don't know if one should be proud...or ashamed...to have anyone on this list.

Its a list of who's who in arms dealing, drug trafficing, prostitution and generally all things bad.

Not to say that being rich is impossbile without crime...but lets be serious for a minute...how did those people in Russia or Ukraine get to be so rich so quickly?? Something smells fishy here...maybe its that prostitute on the corner.

Well,I don't think any of them deals with drugs and prostitutes. They're...let's say...too low-profile. Whether some of them dealt with this years ago is a different question :)

Thats what I meant...years ago...then they made some money, bought some dead industries...a lot of under the table deals...and voila...they are rich.

They all started out somewhere though...

Errr...in Bulgaria, the Party helped them start. As a part of a clever conspiracy to control the economy after the fall of the regime. They couldn't foresee the foreign investors factor though :) And besides, most of them killed each other...

Thats what I meant...years ago...then they made some money, bought some dead industries...a lot of under the table deals...and voila...they are rich.

They all started out somewhere though...

Well exactly, they acquired some a lot of industries, put them back on their feet, killed off competition, bought football teams etc etc and then finally put the industry to work.

And invested their money in the country...prolly everyone on that list from Russia in Ukraine has a bank or two.

Industries where dead then but alive now.


BTW Im not defending them to any extent, the way they started and continue to do business is criminal (less so when you get rich, you dont need to be)

But it def. aint from hookers or cocain dealing.


Prices changed a lot...

If you came to Ukraine in 97 with 100 000$ from the States or some place with money, bought a shit load of property, and now turned that money around you would be in the multi million dollar range.

A house that cost 30 000$ less then 8 years ago can turn around for 300 000$ now.

I am so glad there is only one Bulgarian in this list.

He must be policeman, bribing the tourist :lol:

Istanbul and Moscow have nearly as much billionars as NY and LA. Nearly ;)

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9216/richestke0.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_with_the_most_billionaires

He must be policeman, bribing the tourist :lol:
Do you mean like the traffic cops in Turkey?

^^ no, only Bulgarians are famous in the world with how they steal the money of transit tourists with bribe at the motorway.

Oh, turks again!

Heeeeelp!

^^ no, only Bulgarians are famous in the world with how they steal the money of transit tourists with bribe at the motorway.
I was thinking that the Turks are famous for doing that! :ohno:

Istanbul and Moscow have nearly as much billionars as NY and LA. Nearly ;)

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9216/richestke0.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_with_the_most_billionaires

still USA dominates the list, where is Europe? just 3 city from whole continent?:nuts:

what about bosnia, there should be many polticians on that list
well philip zepter is serb from bosnia. so u can count him

What's the difference how many there are. Most are crooks and oligarchs who gathered extreme amounts of wealth illegally, so nothing to be proud of.

^^ I agree with Pavlo. Oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine are a thiefs which to made a fortune on factories, mine etc. which once to belong to all nation.

What's the difference how many there are. Most are crooks and oligarchs who gathered extreme amounts of wealth illegally, so nothing to be proud of.
philip zepter isn´t for sure what u described.

Haha here is the foto of Russian SSC forumers:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8986/russianforumersny9.jpg

:lol::lol::lol:

philip zepter isn´t for sure what u described.

I said majority. Read my posts before answering.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8986/russianforumersny9.jpg
:lol: Audi A6 isn't the top of luxury;P

What do you drive, Tavria? ;)

I said majority. Read my posts before answering.
i didn´t say that u´ve said that all of them are like that.
i just gave u an information about Zepter.

Ahm... with all due respect, my dear Turkish and Russian fellow forumers, but...
NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Chicago and San Francisco kick the SHIT out of Istanbul and Moscow and will continue to due so no matter how many billionaires they have.

Don't get me wrong... both Moscow and Istanbul are just great, but you're playing in a different league.:):cheers:

well philip zepter is serb from bosnia. so u can count him

no, he was born in Veliko Gradište, serbia

^^maybe by accident, but he is from Kozarska Dubica 100%, he has opened factory there because of that. Few friends of mine have talked to him, and they are also from kozarska Dubica and they know him.

Born Milan Janković, he completed primary school in Bosanska Dubica before graduating from University of Belgrade's Faculty of Economy.

Zepter:"Mi smo te ’90. godine u Jugoslaviji vec bili uložili realnog novca, 30 miliona maraka. Prvu fabriku napravili smo u Bosni, u Bosanskoj Dubici, za koju sam ja emotivno vezan, jer sam u njoj odrastao i završio gimnaziju. Imam tamo puno prijatelja, familiju i hteo sam da im nekako pomognem."

Cosmin, where did that come from? :lol:

Does that give you comfort in some strange way!? Do you want to tell us more about it? :pet:

Ahm... with all due respect, my dear Turkish and Russian fellow forumers, but...
NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Chicago and San Francisco kick the SHIT out of Istanbul and Moscow and will continue to due so no matter how many billionaires they have.

Don't get me wrong... both Moscow and Istanbul are just great, but you're playing in a different league.:):cheers:
Romanians...:poke:
It's a common mental disease for them - paranoic obsession with cities like NYC and London.

Romanians...:poke:
It's a common mental disease for them - paranoic obsession with cities lik NYC and London.

Problem is they really don't know what NYC is like :(

Romanians...:poke:
It's a common mental disease for them - paranoic obsession with cities like NYC and London.
Probably because it makes Bucharest better somehow

Problem is they really don't know what NYC is like :(

Or Chicago.:ohno:

What's the difference how many there are. Most are crooks and oligarchs who gathered extreme amounts of wealth illegally, so nothing to be proud of.

I don't mind oligarchs.....so long as they fit certain standards and manners.

Ahm... with all due respect, my dear Turkish and Russian fellow forumers, but...
NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Chicago and San Francisco kick the SHIT out of Istanbul and Moscow and will continue to due so no matter how many billionaires they have.

Don't get me wrong... both Moscow and Istanbul are just great, but you're playing in a different league.:):cheers:

Your signature seems to imply that you don't like Bucharest. Now why would that be?

Does that give you comfort in some strange way!? Do you want to tell us more about it? :pet:
No. Unfortunately I still live in Bucharest. Try to understand that I have nothing against Moscow or Istanbul. I like them, as I said many times here, but since you guys were into dick measuring - billionaires chapter, I decided to take it up a notch.

Romanians...:poke:
It's a common mental disease for them - paranoic obsession with cities like NYC and London.
That's funny. Usually Romanians are "obsessed" with Rome, Madrid and... Moscow. At least many of them.

Probably because it makes Bucharest better somehow
How can that be?:lol: Do you really think that comparing Bucharest to all those cities I mentioned actually makes Bucharest look better? WTF?:bash:

Your signature seems to imply that you don't like Bucharest. Now why would that be?
It doesn't seem to imply, it actually implies that.:) Why would that be, you ask? Well, why don't you come over here and live for a few months and tell me what do you think. If you like it, good for you, as it means you like the kind of city Bucharest is. It's not that I hate Bucharest. Not at all, but if I were to choose what city to live in, Bucharest wouldn't make it to top 10... to say the least. Am I breaking the law by liking big (huge) so called world cities with a strong identity?

Bottom line is you guys should see my post as a childish reply to a childish "discussion", as I think we all know two things:
1) those billionaires won't make your lives better in any way.
2) billionaires in this part of the world are generally less legit than those in NYC, London, Paris and so on.

Also, don't hate me because I can be objective and admit Bucharest, and generally cities in EE are (for now at least) crappy cities. I noticed how anytime I say something bad about Moscow, you all get nervous about it, but when I say something good, it's all fine. Why's that?:)

P.S.: stop with this "obsession" thing about NYC and London.:lol: I've listed quite a few cities, not just those two, and these were only the ones from your list.

What do you drive, Tavria? ;)
what is Tavria? I have ford focus:) sorry for OT:)

^^ZAZ - Tavria

http://ppavto.com.ua/newimg/tavria_1.jpg

^^ looks like old skoda :)

^^Yeah, it`s similar to Skoda but it`s ZAZ.:)

^^Yeah, it`s similar to Skoda but it`s ZAZ.:)