CHICAGO | Waldorf=Astoria | 386m | 1265ft | 107 fl | Canceled

[malec]

Height: 1265 ft
Floor count: 107
Location: North Park and East North Water
Construction end:
Architect:
Developer: Fordham Co., Prime Group Inc.

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Developer Tries Comeback With New Chicago Waldorf
By JENNIFER S. FORSYTH
September 27, 2007; Page B1
.....Now Mr. Reschke is mounting a big comeback, with $2 billion worth of projects planned or under construction. The most prestigious is a Waldorf-Astoria hotel and residence towers in Chicago that he plans to develop for Hilton Hotels Corp. The $500 million project will offer 325 rooms in a five-star hotel and 300 luxury condominiums in a sleek modern building about a block from the Chicago River.....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119085473819840797.html

[Gerard]

WTF, Chicago is going strong these days. The building seems to have some minor resemblance with the Shanghai WFC.

[Flogging Molly]

Fucking amazing.

Chicago really is the 2nd city in skyscrapers now. Slowly but surely it stays ahead of the game. Unfortunately Dubai has an awful lot of money.

[Tag_one]

wonderfull tower, together with the CS this will make a beautifull contrast with the boxy buildings of chicago. :cheers:

[Dyn.tek]

WOW, another supertall for chicago, and it looks nice so far!

[www.sercan.de]

Looks like SWFC from this angle

[Sandeman]

Wow, that is incredible!!

Chicago is going insane!

[xXFallenXx]

holy fuck chicago!!!
wow

[Huge129]

wonderful design, that's a big knife!

[_00_deathscar]

What is it with the shit Chicago designs? And what is it with Chicago going crazy with the super talls?

Might fit in well with the skyline mind you, so who knows.

[CarlosBlueDragon]

why Chicago like follow SWFC?? :bash:

[mgk920]

What is it with the shit Chicago designs? And what is it with Chicago going crazy with the super talls?

Might fit in well with the skyline mind you, so who knows.
Chicago has been building 'supertalls' since the Great Fire was put out. Nothing new with that!

:dance:

BTW, what block is this proposed for? (The WSJ requires a paid subscription to read the entire article.)

Build on!

Mike

[cbotnyse]

:omg: WOW I love it! any estimate on height?

:dance: :pepper: :carrot: :banana: :gaah:

[-Corey-]

WOW this is amazing.. ANother super tall for CHicago..

[devilsadvocate]

WOW!!!
I wished I live in Chicago, really!!!!!
I would spend the whole day watching all those incredible skyscraper-construction-sites.

Anyone knows when they plan to build it?

[cbotnyse]

Is there any doubt the Chicago River is becoming the best urban waterway in the world?

[_00_deathscar]

Chicago has been building 'supertalls' since the Great Fire was put out. Nothing new with that!


Doubling your amount of supertalls in the space of 5 years is going a bit crazy I would say...

[CarlosBlueDragon]

:omg: WOW I love it! any estimate on height?

:dance: :pepper: :carrot: :banana: :gaah:

what word wow only!! #%#@^*# crazy I would say too!!

[mgk920]

Doubling your amount of supertalls in the space of 5 years is going a bit crazy I would say...
Well, the Sears Tower, John Hancock and AON were all built within a few short years of each other (late 1960s/early 1970s), too.

:cheers1:

Mike

[i_am_hydrogen]

Doubling your amount of supertalls in the space of 5 years is going a bit crazy I would say...

Hancock, Aon, and Sears were completed within about five years of each other.

Hancock - 1969
Aon - 1973
Sears - 1974

[nomarandlee]

BTW, what block is this proposed for? (The WSJ requires a paid subscription to read the entire article.)

Build on!

Mike


The lot just north of the Sheraton on E. North Water St. one block north of the river.

[exit_320]

Beautiful!

[Herzarsen]

I hope they change the design it looks just like SWFC without the hole. Otherwise it would be interesting, Americans copying Chinese instead of the other way around! :)

[Kngkyle]

I hope they change the design it looks just like SWFC without the hole. Otherwise it would be interesting, Americans copying Chinese instead of the other way around! :)

I think it's too soon to tell. Based on the one render we have, yea it does look similar. But it could look completely different at places we can't see. (the top, the bottom, the 2 sides)

[ZZ-II]

fantastic news, Chicago is going crazy :banana:...can't wait to see more supertalls :)

[mgk920]

The lot just north of the Sheraton on E. North Water St. one block north of the river.
Thanx!

Mike

[xXFallenXx]

I think it's too soon to tell. Based on the one render we have, yea it does look similar. But it could look completely different at places we can't see. (the top, the bottom, the 2 sides)
yes!
this is exactly what i was going to say.
We have no idea what this thing is going to look like.
We only have one fairly small render from one side so i think it is to early to jugde it. (or compare it)

[i_am_hydrogen]

I hope they change the design it looks just like SWFC without the hole. Otherwise it would be interesting, Americans copying Chinese instead of the other way around! :)

I don't see why people have such a problem with buildings looking like other buildings. All that should matter is whether the design is attractive.

[-Corey-]

yes!
this is exactly what i was going to say.
We have no idea what this thing is going to look like.
We only have one fairly small render from one side so i think it is to early to jugde it. (or compare it)
Yeah!, and we have no idea how tall is going to be..YET

[Astounded]

Odd couple plans new Streeterville tower (http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=23994)

Feb. 24, 2007
By Thomas A. Corfman

Developer Christopher Carley is planning a luxury hotel and condominium development a few blocks from the site where he once proposed building the tallest building in North America, before losing control of the project.

An unlikely duo of Mr. Carley and developer Michael Reschke, ousted chairman of Prime Group Realty Trust, has a contract to buy 2.3 acres just north of the downtown Sheraton Chicago Hotel & Towers for $60 million, sources familiar with the deal say. In addition to high-priced condos, the two also are considering adding a posh hotel like the Hotel de Crillon, which Mr. Carley once attempted to bring to the twisting tower, now called the Chicago Spire.

An old story but it seems highly connected!

[Phobos]

Beautiful! :drool:

[ZZ-II]

I don't see why people have such a problem with buildings looking like other buildings. All that should matter is whether the design is attractive.

totally agree with you, a tower has to look good and not more :)

[Chad]

Surprised!!!!

[theworldshallcry]

Is there any doubt the Chicago River is becoming the best urban waterway in the world?
That doubt shall vanish once Wolf Point is built up. Then our supremacy shall, well, reign supreme. :lol:

[R@ptor]

Fantastic design...Chicago is really booming!

[RON-E]

from that angle of the render, it kind of resembles shanghai's tower

[Chicagophotoshop]

LOVE IT

[Insane alex]

Awesome! Hope it gets approved!

[vanhenrik]

it looks like at least 450 m tall !

[niovis72]

it looks great. I hope it gets built!

[TheGlobalizer]

Love it.

[jimbo]

heavens, another supertall, congrats - early days there team, but if this gets going, Chicago must be pushing the skyscraper race to completely new heights in terms of quality and density. Will keep an eagle eye out on this one.

[MDguy]

WTF???? This Came out of no Where!! I love it!

[Myster E]

Another biggie from Chicago, at this rate the city's skyline will be just like that in the I-Robot film :nuts: I like the exterior very much, this looks at least to be within the 400-500 region if taken into account 100 floors.

[ZZ-II]

yes, i also think it will be between 400m and 500m

[cbotnyse]

yes, i also think it will be between 400m and 500mwhat is that in feet please? :bash: :)

[ElVoltageDR]

Whoa, that looks pretty good.

[harvesterofsorrows]

Lol @ everyone saying we are copying others when we can just turn around and say they copy us for building any skyscraper at all.

[wiki]

this is the best proposal i´ve seen in chicago besides the spire.

[spyguy]

Here's the location, BTW:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6269/mapwu1.jpg
It's only the southern part of the parcel, though. Green boxes represent Trump and Spire.

[Newcastle Guy]

Lovely proposal, congrats Chicago.

[LucasS6]

Love it, but between this, the Wolf Point thing, Trump and the Spire, I think the Loop needs a little love- or at least the south side of the river. If these were all built the supertall ratio would be 4 to 3 for north side of it.

[ZZ-II]

what is that in feet please? :bash: :)

1312ft - 1640ft :)

[Nicholas.Navarro]

Alright another super tall for Chicago! This is truly an amazing time for Chicago.

[soup or man]

At this rate, this picture and date doesn't seem too unrealistic.

http://img114.exs.cx/img114/2581/r6qxviditaiorobotdvd.jpg

[PresidentBjork]

Here's the location, BTW:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6269/mapwu1.jpg
It's only the southern part of the parcel, though. Green boxes represent Trump and Spire.

Wow, that would place really very close to the Trump and Spire.

I can't wait to hear more about this project and see some more renders. But I guess it'll be a while before that happens, this thing hasn't been approved yet. I hope it doesn't damage potential sales for the spire, but that said the Spire is under construction, and this'll be (if it's lucky) getting started in two years, so it's not as if they're going to directly compete. Absolutely extraordinary though, what would it make? - 7 supertalls in one city - that's amazing.

[Reinsdorf Sucks]

WOW!!!
I wished I live in Chicago, really!!!!!
I would spend the whole day watching all those incredible skyscraper-construction-sites.

Anyone knows when they plan to build it?

That is exactly what I do! My classes ended early yesturday, so I went downtown and stared at all the construction sites for about 4 hours!

[Reinsdorf Sucks]

Here's the location, BTW:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6269/mapwu1.jpg
It's only the southern part of the parcel, though. Green boxes represent Trump and Spire.

That is crazy! Last night I went to the AMC theater right across the street "East Illinois". If I had only known then!

[soup or man]

^ Ban

[Tubeman]

bump

[-Corey-]

I think this tower is going to be between 450m to 510m..

[ChicagoNight]

does the concrete "trim" seem to be too wide at the top?

kinda ruins the sleek knife shape i think... and it wastes window space...

[FROM LOS ANGELES]

For me, it's too early to either like it or dislike it. In a more positive note, it is incredible to picture the Chicago River area in a few years with this proposal, CS, Trump Tower, and Waterview, what a city!

[Rizzato]

need more renders.
when possible.

Forza Chicago

[alejoaoa]

Nice tower....

[ChgoLvr83]

Geez. Where in the hell did this come from? We usually get some type of notice with these things. :)

Will wait for more renderings before concrete judgment is made. Does look very promising though. I was expecting something around 70 floors with Carley. Wont complain.

[ROYU]

Chicago is back! This proyect is awesome.

[xXFallenXx]

Chicago is back! This proyect is awesome.
Chicago never left...i mean look on a map, its always been there.

[elliot]

Simply gorgeous... lucky fuckers.

[NovaWolverine]

Beautiful. Happy to say I could be living there to see this thing built.

[spicytimothy]

more pictures! I demand more pictures! :-D

[Joy Machine]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/wjcordier/OB-AQ927_POD_RE_20070926234358.jpg

Developer Tries Comeback With New Chicago Waldorf
By JENNIFER S. FORSYTH
September 27, 2007; Page B1
.....Now Mr. Reschke is mounting a big comeback, with $2 billion worth of projects planned or under construction. The most prestigious is a Waldorf-Astoria hotel and residence towers in Chicago that he plans to develop for Hilton Hotels Corp. The $500 million project will offer 325 rooms in a five-star hotel and 300 luxury condominiums in a sleek modern building about a block from the Chicago River.....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119085473819840797.html

People, I don't think that's going to look like SWFC at all! There seems to be a twist in that building.

edit: In fact, it does. Notice to the far left of the render, you can see a wall that twists into about the mid point. From there, I'm guessing thats what the lower part of the top back end is.

[NittanyBLUE2002]

Honestly, this is getting absurd. Chicago is beyond supersaturated with all these proposals, there's just no way that city can sustain this type of growth... Don't take this the wrong way, but without a bottomless reserve of black gold from which to draw unlimited funds, how many of these projects will really see the light of day?

The merits of common sense are often ignored by many an impatient person. The vulnerable mind tends to immerses itself in a series of stimulating images and fantastical (however unrealistic) possibilities. These people are called daydreamers. For better or worse, an unusual number of these daydreamers seem to be concentrated in Chicago.

Granted, you can't blame anyone for getting excited about these proposals because they're presented as future truths. But if the 1980's taught us anything about Chicago's undying drive to penetrate the sky in spectacular fashion, it would be to sell short (now) when the skies are no longer recognized as the final frontier.


As they say, "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is."

If not, more power to ya, Chi-town. :grouphug:

[EnDleSsWaLtZ]

Chicago's skyline is going to be something very different in the next few years. I was looking at pictures from the early 90's to present day and boy the skyline has changed some. Something like this would only make it better and unique. But, until there are cassons and drilling equipment on-site I wouldn't get too excited just yet.

[LucasS6]

Honestly, this is getting absurd. Chicago is beyond supersaturated with all these proposals, there's just no way that city can sustain this type of growth... Don't take this the wrong way, but without a bottomless reserve of black gold from which to draw unlimited funds, how many of these projects will really see the light of day?

The merits of common sense are often ignored by many an impatient person. The vulnerable mind tends to immerses itself in a series of stimulating images and fantastical (however unrealistic) possibilities. These people are called daydreamers. For better or worse, an unusual number of these daydreamers seem to be concentrated in Chicago.

Granted, you can't blame anyone for getting excited about these proposals because they're presented as future truths. But if the 1980's taught us anything about Chicago's undying drive to penetrate the sky in spectacular fashion, it would be to sell short (now) when the skies are no longer recognized as the final frontier.

with fantastic mental images the fantasyland than face the mundane and ugly truths that pervade our everyday lives.

As they say, "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is."

If not, more power to ya, Chi-town. :grouphug:

Well, that was negative wasn't it? What do you mean when you ask how many of these projects will really see the light of day? Virtually all of 'these projects' have already broken ground. Aside from this, the Mandarin and Park Michigan I don't see alot of unstarted projects. Certainly not in relation to the ones already U/C.

[NittanyBLUE2002]

Based on all these fancy proposals, one could stand to reason that Chicago and Dubai are the two hottest cities on the planet at the present moment.

Dubai's artificial growth at least makes sense. Their developments are backed by the complete faith and trust of a starry-eyed government that wants to write blank checks to achieve urban acceptance as an elite international business presence.

Chicago, on the other hand... what explains the endless explosion of vertical growth in the Windy City? What makes them so different from NYC, LA, Philly, Boston, Miami and Vegas?

The Spire seems like dumb luck. What are the chances that an Irish-born underachiever spends a couple years of his young adult life in a city like Chicago, then goes back home to his native land and somehow makes himself into a multi-millionaire overnight and inexplicably dedicates his mission in life to the restoration of a failed fantasy first envisioned by a daydreamer called Carley. What are the chances? Seems lucky to me, but the end result is all that really matters. I just wonder how much of this is real and how much is fantasy. It just doesn't seem feasible to me.

[cbotnyse]

^^ wow talk about crapping on someones parade.

what fancy proposals are you talking about?...there are only a few proposals that arent already under construction...and if something is UC it will get done eventually.

Chicago is growing, just accept it.

[secondcity1]

OMG...Chicago is going to the extreme :cheers:

[Dancer]

^^Don't ya love it! :cheers1:

[mgk920]

Here's the location, BTW:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6269/mapwu1.jpg
It's only the southern part of the parcel, though. Green boxes represent Trump and Spire.
A minor nit, but isn't most of the Spire's footprint north of North Water St in that block?

Mike

[theworldshallcry]

Based on all these fancy proposals, one could stand to reason that Chicago and Dubai are the two hottest cities on the planet at the present moment.

Dubai's artificial growth at least makes sense. Their developments are backed by the complete faith and trust of a starry-eyed government that wants to write blank checks to achieve urban acceptance as an elite international business presence.

Chicago, on the other hand... what explains the endless explosion of vertical growth in the Windy City? What makes them so different from NYC, LA, Philly, Boston, Miami and Vegas?

The Spire seems like dumb luck. What are the chances that an Irish-born underachiever spends a couple years of his young adult life in a city like Chicago, then goes back home to his native land and somehow makes himself into a multi-millionaire overnight and inexplicably dedicates his mission in life to the restoration of a failed fantasy first envisioned by a daydreamer called Carley. What are the chances? Seems lucky to me, but the end result is all that really matters. I just wonder how much of this is real and how much is fantasy. It just doesn't seem feasible to me.
You're not making any sense. A city is what it is because of what it is. Just because Chicago is built on flat land does not mean the city will only sprawl. Cultural density, past a critical mass, can be a self-reinforcing phenomenon.

[Maxxclip]

I now love Chicago:)

[LucasS6]

Based on all these fancy proposals, one could stand to reason that Chicago and Dubai are the two hottest cities on the planet at the present moment.

Dubai's artificial growth at least makes sense. Their developments are backed by the complete faith and trust of a starry-eyed government that wants to write blank checks to achieve urban acceptance as an elite international business presence.

Chicago, on the other hand... what explains the endless explosion of vertical growth in the Windy City? What makes them so different from NYC, LA, Philly, Boston, Miami and Vegas?

The Spire seems like dumb luck. What are the chances that an Irish-born underachiever spends a couple years of his young adult life in a city like Chicago, then goes back home to his native land and somehow makes himself into a multi-millionaire overnight and inexplicably dedicates his mission in life to the restoration of a failed fantasy first envisioned by a daydreamer called Carley. What are the chances? Seems lucky to me, but the end result is all that really matters. I just wonder how much of this is real and how much is fantasy. It just doesn't seem feasible to me.

:lol: You just sound bitter and I'm not sure about what. If it's the New York think, NYC has alot of construction going on as well. Maybe a self-hating Sox fan?

[Tag_one]

Based on all these fancy proposals, one could stand to reason that Chicago and Dubai are the two hottest cities on the planet at the present moment.

Dubai's artificial growth at least makes sense. Their developments are backed by the complete faith and trust of a starry-eyed government that wants to write blank checks to achieve urban acceptance as an elite international business presence.

Chicago, on the other hand... what explains the endless explosion of vertical growth in the Windy City? What makes them so different from NYC, LA, Philly, Boston, Miami and Vegas?

The Spire seems like dumb luck. What are the chances that an Irish-born underachiever spends a couple years of his young adult life in a city like Chicago, then goes back home to his native land and somehow makes himself into a multi-millionaire overnight and inexplicably dedicates his mission in life to the restoration of a failed fantasy first envisioned by a daydreamer called Carley. What are the chances? Seems lucky to me, but the end result is all that really matters. I just wonder how much of this is real and how much is fantasy. It just doesn't seem feasible to me.

Artificial growth in Dubai, no not really. Maybe a few years ago, but now there's a huge demand for homes and offices.
What makes Chicago grow? Well also demand, like any other city in the world.

[Transfert]

You're not making any sense. A city is what it is because of what it is.

neither you're making...

[great184]

Opinion's aside its pretty evident that Chicago's boom still produces very great proposals.. Now that we know that the spire is going up, this one one is certainly feasable.

[Eric Offereins]

Impressive tower. I hope they will start construction soon. My estimate height for a 100 story
residential/hotel tower would be 350-400 meter, but this render does not give any indication.

[chjbolton]

Second: tiny render, too early to truly judge about anything appart from the fact that it'll be darn close to Trump and Spire. Perhaps too much I'd tend to think...

Third: one of the very first rules you learn (or at least should learn) from any decent economy class/book, is that it is the supply that creates the demand, NOT the other way around however strange this might sound at first.
So think what you what you want about Dubai, but they're only pushing the rule to the extreme; and they WILL get the benefits back eventually!
That being said, Chicago's growth certainly seems to be less 'artificial' indeed, but it still follows the same principle.
You cannot want something that doesn't exist yet; it has to be invented, designed, manufactured and advertised to you, whether it's an Ipod or a 15 million penthouse. Simple as that.
My point is that this word, 'artificial' really does not mean much in economic terms.
Use 'vegas-ied' for Dubai!! :lol:

Anyway, good for Chicago, althought I do think the river is getting a bit crowded...

[zee]

foooooooooooooooooooooooking hell!

another supertall from the chicago-ians....dayymm!!

[Gaeus]

All I can say is WOW! Chicago is really on its feet to compete against the world!!! Good thing we still have city who knows how it works!

[Astounded]

Based on all these fancy proposals, one could stand to reason that Chicago and Dubai are the two hottest cities on the planet at the present moment.
Yes it is interesting to compare both of these cities:

.....................Chicago........Dubai
Population.........9.5m...........1.4m
GDP...............442 billion .....46 billion
supertalls:
built................. 5 ...............4
construction...... 3 ..............21

Now which of these two cities might be expanding a bit too quickly?

[cbotnyse]

Yes it is interesting to compare both of these cities:

.....................Chicago........Dubai
Population.........9.5m...........1.4m
GDP...............442 billion .....46 billion
supertalls:
built................. 5 ...............4
construction...... 3 ..............21

Now which of these two cities might be expanding a bit too quickly?very nice, I had no idea of the desparity. That makes it seem like Chicago is under-building. Thanks for posting that.

[i_am_hydrogen]

This article mentions a height of 1,100ft (335m):

A kid bro in Spire's shadow
DEVELOPMENT | Carley floats idea for hotel tower in Streeterville

September 28, 2007
BY DAVID ROEDER droeder@suntimes.com

...At about 1,100 feet, the building would be shorter than such skyline titans as the John Hancock Center or even the new Trump Tower. But it would command attention and be only a couple of blocks from the proposed spire, a 2,000-foot composition of celebrity architect Santiago Calatrava...

http://www.suntimes.com/business/578552,CST-FIN-build28.article

[spyguy]

Larger rendering
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1618/pc0630100dp1.jpg

[Hollie Maea]

Pretty low average floor height even for residential.

[Astounded]

Larger rendering
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1618/pc0630100dp1.jpg

The building on the left hand side is almost totally transparent, now that would be really something to see (or not) haha.:lol:

[Kngkyle]

The building on the left hand side is almost totally transparent, now that would be really something to see (or not) haha.:lol:

It's a future 45 floor rental building. Design hasn't been released yet.

[ZZ-II]

Pretty low average floor height even for residential.

almost the same average as the John Hancock Center

[Alweron]

Everyone seem to like this project. I won't make an exception. This design looks magnificent. It's very modern, sharp-looking and glassy. The more these buildings are built to this fantastic city, the more I like it. I really think Chicago has already passed New York in my Top 5 list. NYC will soon be left out from the list totally if it isn't already.

[TheGlobalizer]

You're not making any sense. A city is what it is because of what it is. Just because Chicago is built on flat land does not mean the city will only sprawl. Cultural density, past a critical mass, can be a self-reinforcing phenomenon.

I was about to say the same thing -- cities grow up when it's more difficult to grow out.

With all the sprawl going on (especially in Chicago), one would think you'd see a lot more vertical growth.

[secondcity1]

This is the most important line in the article

"We don't want to settle for anything less than fantastic architecture," she said



This article mentions a height of 1,100ft (335m):

A kid bro in Spire's shadow
DEVELOPMENT | Carley floats idea for hotel tower in Streeterville

September 28, 2007
BY DAVID ROEDER droeder@suntimes.com

...At about 1,100 feet, the building would be shorter than such skyline titans as the John Hancock Center or even the new Trump Tower. But it would command attention and be only a couple of blocks from the proposed spire, a 2,000-foot composition of celebrity architect Santiago Calatrava...

http://www.suntimes.com/business/578552,CST-FIN-build28.article

[Audiomuse]

I wonder if this thing is really going to get built.

Im crossing fingers.

[great184]

^^ Only time shall confirm our hopes...

[Lusitania]

A Waldorf!!! that's great, though it will never match the nostalgia of New York's, this is great news nonetheless.

[Bob Weaver]

This is fantastic, yet another supertall in Chicago! there are 3 under construction and know this one as well. I wonder what the view will be like years from now when looking from the west at Trump, Waterview, the Spire and now this one. It will be out:cheers: standing!

[soup or man]

Based on all these fancy proposals, one could stand to reason that Chicago and Dubai are the two hottest cities on the planet at the present moment.



In terms of buildings over 500 feet tall, the 2 hottest cities IN THE WORLD are Dubai, and Miami. Miami has 24 buildings over 500 feet tall under construction.

[Retrograde]

September 28, 2007

Here are two panoramic shots from the site today. Nothing really special, just a parking lot currently.

Looking north-northeast
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2862/59111974tz2.jpg

Looking northwest. Trump Tower is on the far left.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1052/83756351oo2.jpg

[RON-E]

im glad another surface lot is being replaced! i wish they would do this in nashville!

[theworldshallcry]

Oh, it's that lot! Wonderful, in a decade's time, I won't walk out of AMC straight into an eyesore.

[spotila]

excellent, the less car parks the better!

[UniversalDiablo]

excellent, the less car parks the better!

unless someone is trying to find somewhere to park downtown, which is like... i donno, ALL THE TIME.

[EnDleSsWaLtZ]

Hopefully by next summer they will be tearing up that parking lot and getting ready to make way for the Waldorf!

[Astounded]

In terms of buildings over 500 feet tall, the 2 hottest cities IN THE WORLD are Dubai, and Miami. Miami has 24 buildings over 500 feet tall under construction.
Miami is a well kept secret. Yes it's number two in skyscraper (150m+) construction with 27 (according to SSP) being built, only the out of control city of Dubai is building more with .. wait for it ... 122 under construction!

Ok here's the table (scrapers under construction 150 meters or above)

122 Dubai
27 Miami
19 Shanghai
18 Chicago
17 Moscow
16 Chongqing
16 Guangzhou
16 New York
14 Kuwait
14 Shenzhen
13 Nanjing
8 Hong Kong

[malec]

^^ In fairness Shanghai, Chongqing, etc probably have way more under construction than what emporis says. Just look at the amount of buildings listed for those cities in the first place. 1000 for Shanghai? 500 for Chongqing? :hahaha:
There are probably tons of those res towers you see all over China being built at any one time in those cities.

[ZZ-II]

wow, didn't know that miami has so much skyscrapers UC at the moment :eek:

[Gaeus]

^^
I think Emporis is kinda unbiased with their numbers. Plus, there are only few foreigners using their site so the numbers are not totally accurate.

[Astounded]

If anyone has better numbers, please say. Because of reporting the total number of highrises may be low for China, but the number of skyscrapers (over 150 meters) should be better.

More numbers from SSP

skyscrapers:.....US.......China

built...............586........491
u/c................111........158

Total..............697........649

[malec]

SSP numbers would be even more inaccurate.
China is so large and the amount of Chinese contributors on emporis is nothing compared to those in Europe and North America so we have very incomplete databases for those cities. Another thing is North American cities tend to have all the towers clustered in one area while in Chinese cities they're spread out throughout the entire city which makes it even more difficult to keep track of.

Anyway, I'd like to see some renders of this in the skyline.
Looks like that I-robot skyline's becoming somewhat of a reality (except for the dried up lake of course :))

[devilsadvocate]

The tower isn't unfortunately as high as I expected :-S
Hoped for 500m+
But a great architecture and desgin! Congratulation to that!

[ZZ-II]

100F and a flat roof...would be never over 500m

[Chicagophotoshop]

Miami is a well kept secret. Yes it's number two in skyscraper (150m+) construction with 27 (according to SSP) being built, only the out of control city of Dubai is building more with .. wait for it ... 122 under construction!

Ok here's the table (scrapers under construction 150 meters or above)

122 Dubai
27 Miami
19 Shanghai
18 Chicago
17 Moscow
16 Chongqing
16 Guangzhou
16 New York
14 Kuwait
14 Shenzhen
13 Nanjing
8 Hong Kong

dubai is insane. I didnt know miami was so on the rise.

[devilsadvocate]

100F and a flat roof...would be never over 500m

Moscow Tower: 612m with 118floors (1floor=4m - (18x4)= 100 floors= 540m
Shanghai: 492m with 101 floors
FT: 541m with 108 floors = 100floors = 509m!

[mgk920]

dubai is insane. I didnt know miami was so on the rise.
The Miami/Dade County metro area is pretty much out of available undeveloped land - it butts right up to the Everglades and Everglades National Park - while its population continues to increase at a fairly rapid pace. The only way for them to go is 'up'.

Mike

[ZZ-II]

Moscow Tower: 612m with 118floors (1floor=4m - (18x4)= 100 floors= 540m
Shanghai: 492m with 101 floors
FT: 541m with 108 floors = 100floors = 509m!

1. the whole top part of the Moscow City tower is without any floor
2. the top part of SWFC has only 1-2 floors
3. the FT- roof ends at 415m...until 541m is only the spire

this tower has a flat roof, and it seems the last floors will be just under it

[Kngkyle]

This tower is RESIDENTIAL, the floor-ceiling heights are less than those other OFFICE buildings. That is where you get the biggest difference.

[ZZ-II]

yes, that is also a big point for the final height

[Gaeus]

SSP numbers would be even more inaccurate.
China is so large and the amount of Chinese contributors on emporis is nothing compared to those in Europe and North America so we have very incomplete databases for those cities. Another thing is North American cities tend to have all the towers clustered in one area while in Chinese cities they're spread out throughout the entire city which makes it even more difficult to keep track of.

Anyway, I'd like to see some renders of this in the skyline.
Looks like that I-robot skyline's becoming somewhat of a reality (except for the dried up lake of course :))

I guess the only choice we got is to learn Chinese and start gatecrashing skyscrapers.cn to get more info. :D

[Ebola]

This design makes me think of the West Side Centerpiece Tower proposed here. It's around the same height as this one, but I think the design is going to be changed.

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?b36200

[from_far_away_2008]

Lol @ everyone saying we are copying others when we can just turn around and say they copy us for building any skyscraper at all.

Rest assure, there are way too many copycats of chicago skyline:lol:
We were the pioneer:nuts:
Anyway, I love the initial design and hope to hear the height estimation closing in on...3000ft?:banana: :cheers:

[devilsadvocate]

This tower is RESIDENTIAL, the floor-ceiling heights are less than those other OFFICE buildings. That is where you get the biggest difference.

Convinced:-)

[Northsider]

What the heck is this?! I dunno about it...Chicago's new skyscrapers are looking way too modern for my taste.

[ChgoLvr83]

What the heck is this?! I dunno about it...Chicago's new skyscrapers are looking way too modern for my taste.

Im so glad that we've actually moved beyond the post-modern crap that plaqued this city for so many years. These new proposals designs are a huge breath of fresh air for me.

[Northsider]

It's nice looking, but I just don't think "Chicago" with towers such as this and Spire.

[ChgoLvr83]

It's nice looking, but I just don't think "Chicago" with towers such as this and Spire.

I see what youre saying and I think thats okay. Its a new Chicago thats forming in my eyes. Slowly but definitely surely this city is moving forward and I look at projects like this and the Spire as righting the horrible architectural wrongs that took place in River North and Central Station (save OMP and after) over the past eight years.

[Northsider]

I see what youre saying and I think thats okay. Its a new Chicago thats forming in my eyes. Slowly but definitely surely this city is moving forward and I look at projects like this and the Spire as righting the horrible architectural wrongs that took place in River North and Central Station (save OMP and after) over the past eight years.
Well, I can see where you are coming from in that regard. River North is just a sea of disgusting concrete highrises.

[cbotnyse]

Well, I can see where you are coming from in that regard. River North is just a sea of disgusting concrete highrises.Its not that bad! but its certainly getting better.

[aliendroid]

Rest assure, there are way too many copycats of chicago skyline:lol:
We were the pioneer:nuts:
Anyway, I love the initial design and hope to hear the height estimation closing in on...3000ft?:banana: :cheers:

Americans change behavior based on the market all the time. There is always a huge amount of construction in the USA, if you compare all the construction based on square feet in chicago vs dubai you'd probably notice chicago is building more, but mostly out in the suburbs in buildings that are not noticed because they are wide long and short. I think that the increase in price of gas has caused a return to activity in almost all city centers in the USA and any that have not started yet, will start soon. Houston for example, that hasn't built a significant building downtown in a long time is starting to see proposals and has a few scheduled for construction already. If gas prices go up even more, you'll see a lot more action in our city centers.

I used to live in the suburbs, now I'm in school in a small town, but when I move back to the city (hopefully chicago) I plan to try to live in the city center so that I don't have to drive my car everyday.

[BVictor1]

What the heck is this?! I dunno about it...Chicago's new skyscrapers are looking way too modern for my taste.

Well, with Chicago being the birthplace of modern architecture in the first place, (in the skyscraper sence) why do they seen too modern?

[Hankster]

This will be a spectacular addition to the Chicago skyline. I love the design, and I think it will really compliment the Spire because of its close proximity. Way to go Chicago!

[cbotnyse]

Well, with Chicago being the birthplace of modern architecture in the first place, (in the skyscraper sence) why do they seen too modern?I think he is referring to the Chicago style of architecture, which I'd also like to see more of. But I'm not complaining at all. I love most of the new designs and think it adds to the most diverse architecture on the planet.

[harvesterofsorrows]

Out with the old in with the new.

[Chitowner245]

Hey, we're getting some good chicago school buildings like legacy, 300 n lasalle, possible GP4 in central station, 353 n clark, ompw- sort of, arquitectonica and aqua are modern, innovative chicago school buildings in a sense. It's just that projects like this, spire, waterview are all overshadowing the chicago school buildings. Tall and thin is in, but if architects and developers can put chicago spins on designs, it makes for fresh, new designs like waterview, and hopefully park michigan. Sears and big john were unconventional for their time for chicago, but they were inspired by chicago school just like some of these. History repeats itself once again, and I f*ckin love it!

[Northsider]

Well, with Chicago being the birthplace of modern architecture in the first place, (in the skyscraper sence) why do they seen too modern?

Trump Tower seems Chicago. 300 N LaSalle seems Chicago. The Elysian really seems Chicago.

Spire? Waldorf-Astoria? They just seem like they belong in Beijing or some other booming Asian city. Maybe I'm just so used to Chicago's boxy brick and concrete skyscrapers that these are just too new to me. I'd love to see more Wrigley buildings and Tribune Towers, but that age is far past...I guess it's time to embrace the new winds of change.

[FastFerrari]

WILL B ANOTHER EXAMPLE TO THE WORLD THAT CHICAGO KNOWS ITS
architecture

[cheeps]

Fucking amazing.

Chicago really is the 2nd city in skyscrapers now. Slowly but surely it stays ahead of the game. Unfortunately Dubai has an awful lot of money.

The really cool thing is that Chicago is building with private funds...while Dubai is building with gov't funds.

[Gaeus]

The really cool thing is that Chicago is building with private funds...while Dubai is building with gov't funds.

It's both Government and Private funds. Plus, that is the first city where most rich Middle Easterns invest their money.

[TheGlobalizer]

In terms of buildings over 500 feet tall, the 2 hottest cities IN THE WORLD are Dubai, and Miami. Miami has 24 buildings over 500 feet tall under construction.

I'll take Chicago's construction in terms of quality. These projects are impressive.

[Storm9]

My dream: Frank Lloyd Wright's "The Illinois" finally begins construction. Now that would just own any tower..at 5,680 ft:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/Theillinois.jpg/100px-Theillinois.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illinois

[ZZ-II]

that will be a dream forever ^^

[Astounded]

Super Tall Chicago Elegance (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=1130)
Published on 2007-10-01

Weighing in at a hefty 335 metres or 1,100 feet tall, the Waldorf Astoria Hotel and Condominium Tower, which will be located on North Park and East North Water on a site located roughly in the middle of an east west axis between the Trump Tower and Fordham Spire.

If built the Waldorf Astoria will have 100 floors which will house a five star hotel with 325 rooms, which will be run by the Hilton group who own the Waldorf Astoria franchise and a further 300 luxury, serviced condominiums.

Designed by Chicago based architects Destefano and Partners, the proposal is seen by many as a comeback for developers Fordham Co in conjunction with Prime Group Inc who have struggled since 1997 when they made unwise investment decisions that could have crippled them. This tower however forms part of a $2 billion worth of projects the company have either under construction or being proposed.

The tower is unusual in its design based on the "thin is in" ethic currently popular in Chicago its base is squared but as it rises it tapers inwards forming an almost Katana sword like convex peak. This should appeal to the decision makers who recently have been keen on proposals that block views and light quite so much as their squatter counterparts.

The façade is curtain wall glazing with what appears to be concrete trimming, a resemblance to the near by and under construction Fordham Spire skyscraper is meant as a "tip of the hat" to rival architects Santiago Calatrava.

No doubt we will see the standard amenities that can be found in almost every project such as spas, gymnasiums, pools and cubby holes to tidy the butler away to when he isn't needed.

If built this tower will mark the first time Chicago built four super-tall towers within five years of each other. The Hancock, Aon and Sears skyscrapers were all built between 1969 and 1974. This time round Chicago already has an under construction Trump Tower and Waterview Tower and the Fordham Spire just kicking off and if these plans are realized will add further to it.

[Coldwake]

^^ Except that it's the Chicago Spire... not the Fordham Spire.

[BVictor1]

My dream: Frank Lloyd Wright's "The Illinois" finally begins construction. Now that would just own any tower..at 5,680 ft:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/Theillinois.jpg/100px-Theillinois.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illinois


Isn't a mile 5,280' ?

[ZZ-II]

yes, one mile is 5280ft

[Astounded]

A kid bro in Spire's shadow (http://www.suntimes.com/business/578552,CST-FIN-build28.article)
DEVELOPMENT | Carley floats idea for hotel tower in Streeterville

September 28, 2007
BY DAVID ROEDER droeder@suntimes.com
A developer is showing plans for a 100-story hotel and residential tower for Streeterville that, if built, would look like a little brother of the proposed Chicago Spire.

Christopher Carley, chairman of Fordham Co., wants the building placed north of the Sheraton Chicago hotel that's along the Chicago River. Carley bought the site during the summer and has formed a partnership with another Chicago developer of note, Michael Reschke.

At about 1,100 feet, the building would be shorter than such skyline titans as the John Hancock Center or even the new Trump Tower. But it would command attention and be only a couple of blocks from the proposed spire, a 2,000-foot composition of celebrity architect Santiago Calatrava.

Whether the spire or Carley's building can be completed is up for debate, but the projects have more than a neighborhood in common. Carley used to own the spire property along Lake Shore Drive and interested Calatrava in the site before being bought out for his trouble.

For the new site, Carley said he's appropriated some ideas from his attempt at the Calatrava deal. Carley wants a building that's about half condominiums, 300 units, and half hotel, 325 rooms.

Waldorf-Astoria, a Hilton Hotels Corp. brand, has agreed to run the hotel as part of a limited national expansion of its legendary Manhattan name. Other Waldorf-Astorias are planned or under construction in Beverly Hills, Calif., and Orlando, Fla.

While decidedly upscale, the Carley site has more limited ambitions than the spire. The spire's developer is using Calatrava's reputation to market the units internationally and the prices could start at $1,200 a square foot.

Carley said his sales will come locally, and he's aiming for around $800 a square foot, still near the top for the market.

His architect is Chicago-based DeStefano & Partners, which got instructions not to imitate the spire but to give it a "tip of the cap," as Carley put it. The result was a building that toward the bottom has a conventional square shape but sharpens to a scalpel at the top. .... (more)

[Rizzato]

Gotta love the scalpel reference at the end.
good update

[Second City]

This building will be one B.A.M.F. building!

[BVictor1]

Best that I could do...

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7285/p1090760wm1.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4018/p1090761jp5.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4929/p1090762ul3.jpg

[ZZ-II]

good job victor :)

[MDguy]

Thanks Victor! If that is what it will look like, than that will be amazing! :cheers:

[chjbolton]

Could anyone produce a quick rendering with the skyline, so we can judge how impactful it'll be. Please?

[Green Jello]

They forgot the hole in the top.

[Gaeus]

I'm kinda confused with the design. It looks like SWFC in one angle and totally different from other angle. I wonder if there is another angle with better information of the design?

[spyguy]

Could anyone produce a quick rendering with the skyline, so we can judge how impactful it'll be. Please?

STR posted these on SSP

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3120/chi01qc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6113/chi02oq6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7300/chi03ni4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/281/chi04bd9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[choyak]

arbitrary spurious undeletable double post!!!

[choyak]

OMG that is exactly like SWFC!!! other than SWFC is quite a bit taller and holeyer also!!!!

The one done by BVictor1 does not resemble SWFC, but it will be really exceptional if that is really what will be built there

STR's Spire is beautiful, excellent job!!

[EnDleSsWaLtZ]

Great renders STR and BVictor! They give us a great sence and feeling of how it would fit in Chicago's skyline.

[chjbolton]

STR, SpyGuy... Cheers!
Which sfotware was used for that workby the way?

Well... I don't know. I'll speak my mind once we have a decent photograph of a real model or something. Looks ok.
One thing is certain as I said before: it's getting crowded down there!

I don't Chicago well enough, so could someone tell me what the name of the area between Hancock and Spire/Trump/the river... is? Why is it 'underdevelopped' in terms of tall buildings? Waldorf would fit it the middle of THAT spot much better I think.

[cbotnyse]

STR, SpyGuy... Cheers!
Which sfotware was used for that workby the way?

Well... I don't know. I'll speak my mind once we have a decent photograph of a real model or something. Looks ok.
One thing is certain as I said before: it's getting crowded down there!

I don't Chicago well enough, so could someone tell me what the name of the area between Hancock and Spire/Trump/the river... is? Why is it 'underdevelopped' in terms of tall buildings? Waldorf would fit it the middle of THAT spot much better I think.the area is known as Streeterville/River North/Mag Mile. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_North_Side,_Chicago) It has an interesting history, worth reading up on. The neighborhood has seen a steady increase in population and building for the last decade I'd say.

[chjbolton]

^^ Thanks a lot for that! Well, this new building would fit there better I say.
Hopefully Trump will feel the need to prove his masculinity once again in that area soon. :lol:

[Steely Dan]

^^ Thanks a lot for that! Well, this new building would fit there better I say.


ummmmmmmmm......... that's exactly where this building will stand if built, right in the heart of south streeterville between trump and the spire a block north of the river.

where did you think the proposed location for this tower was?

[Green Jello]

I seriously hope the design gets changed before approval. As a long time lover of Chicago architecture, I'd hate to see the city get a building that looks so much like one of the other major skyscrapers in the world.

[jstush04]

I seriously hope the design gets changed before approval. As a long time lover of Chicago architecture, I'd hate to see the city get a building that looks so much like one of the other major skyscrapers in the world.

why? You must not like aon or 2pru then either. There's nothing wrong with resembling another building. Besides, this building has a transform with a twist, whereas swfc is more of a straight up transform

[Green Jello]

why? You must not like aon or 2pru then either. There's nothing wrong with resembling another building. Besides, this building has a transform with a twist, whereas swfc is more of a straight up transform

Square boxes like Aon can't be avoided but SWFC is a new world icon and this thing looks too much like it. I'll wait to make my opinions until some good renders come out.

[Chicagophotoshop]

Square boxes like Aon can't be avoided. why not? Aon looks exactly like the old WTC in NYC but 20 floors less. I didnt mind. not sure if there is another building like it now in the world.

but SWFC is a new world icon and this thing looks too much like it. I'll wait to make my opinions until some good renders come out.

i'm sure the design will be tweaked and what not. and swfc is a world away from chicago. and has some distinct differences. cant see how some find a way to complain about such a beautiful building. :ohno:

[Green Jello]

I didn't say it isn't a beautiful design. The problem for ME is.....if it's built exactly like that, all I will ever be able to think of when I see it is SWFC. I realize this isn't a problem for the 99% of the world who doesn't pay attention to the world of skyscrapers outside their home city.

[Steely Dan]

the shapes of this project and SWFC are actually quite different. this one will give the illusion of a twist in its north and south facades, whereas SWFC is a more straightforward transition form square base to razor edge top. the forms are a little bit similar, but there's more than enough difference to satisfy me.

and besides, i think this chicago one will be the superior of the two given it's torqued form.

[ZZ-II]

i really don't know why it is such a big problem for you that this Proposed tower looks similar to the SWFC :ohno:.

[Green Jello]

i really don't know why it is such a big problem for you that this Proposed tower looks similar to the SWFC :ohno:.

I just very clearly explained it. If you still can't understand, that's your problem, not mine. Like I said it's MY opinion. You don't have to agree with it.

[Chicagophotoshop]

I didn't say it isn't a beautiful design. The problem for ME is.....if it's built exactly like that, all I will ever be able to think of when I see it is SWFC. I realize this isn't a problem for the 99% of the world who doesn't pay attention to the world of skyscrapers outside their home city.

thats cool. you are certainly entitled to your opinion. :cheers:

[ZZ-II]

I just very clearly explained it. If you still can't understand, that's your problem, not mine. Like I said it's MY opinion. You don't have to agree with it.

calm down :lol:, of course it is your opinion ^^.

[Green Jello]

Well when everyone gives you the sarcastic " :ohno: " when you give your opinion, it's frustrating. Anyway, like I said, it's too hard to tell from these renders. Cheers :cheers:

[MasonsInquiries]

it's a beautiful building. two thumbs up!:okay:

[WonderlandPark]

Chicago? Again? Can you spare a building or two? I doesn't have to be this tower, just something like Park Michigan or Aqua. Something, it is high and dry here in L.A. while the rest of the US big cities seems to be on a roll. Just one 800 footer-pretty please?

[Second City]

Let's keep this boom going....

[Kngkyle]

Here are some more images from SSP:

This one shows that it is different than SWFC:
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2383/waldorfastoriapr7.jpg

and here are two model shots from Bvic:
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/564216.jpg
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/5411/564216ex6.jpg

[Nike12]

So this project is 2 buildings?

[BVictor1]

So this project is 2 buildings?

The Waldorph Tower itself is one project, there is a 50-story rental tower that will be built on the northern 1/3 of the site.

[Phobos]

I was expecting something with a slant roof.
Still good anyway,but maybe,just maybe,it will be boring from some angles.

[Storm9]

OMG that is exactly like SWFC!!! other than SWFC is quite a bit taller and holeyer also!!!!

The one done by BVictor1 does not resemble SWFC, but it will be really exceptional if that is really what will be built there

STR's Spire is beautiful, excellent job!!

Yes, we like our buildings to NOT have holes in then tyvm.

[mudvayneimn]

^Then how do you explain this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=472344)?:ohno:

Anyway, I really like this design, and if it goes ahead that will be one more amazing building going up in Chicago. To me (for some unknown reason) this building seems to help the CS blend in better with the skyline.:dunno:

[BVictor1]

A few more model shots

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6452/p1090755hy9.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3065/p1090756bo3.jpg


Information on the project:

-Carley and his partners closed on the land July 3rd
-currently there will be 325 hotel keys and 300 condos
-originally ther were going to the city for an amendment for a height increase to 1,050' with the ground floor being 15,000 sq ft; but as the tower and base became more slender (13,500 sq ft) the tower became a little taller 1,100'
-condo entrance is from upper east North Water
-hotel entrance is off of Park Drive
-there will be about 680 parking spots, all which will be below grade (-50')
-there will possibly be 3 restaurants, all which will be open to the public.
-THERE IS NO OBSERVATION DECK
-there could possibly be an outdoor water feature that terraces down toward the small pocket park
-the top floor is about 5,000 sq ft. and there will be about 6 single floor penthouses
-marketing could begin by mid 2008
-an amendment could be filed with the city for a zoning change before the end of the year
-developers aren't increasing the density, just the allowable height
-the cower could be about 1.5 million sq ft (1.1 million is the current allowed)

[cbotnyse]

Someone needs to start putting restaurants/bars at the tops of these towers. Are there any others besides Cite and Signature Room @ Hancock? We have enough of there 800+ footers going up!

[Green Jello]

This one shows that it is different than SWFC:
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2383/waldorfastoriapr7.jpg


Thank you very much for this. The diagram really explains the differences well.

[Second City]

Odds are looking good that it is going to get built.

[velut arbor aevo]

not that much different from swfc... but cool building.

[Mister Uptempo]

I had a sinking suspicion that I had seen the design for this project somewhere before, and I wasn't thinking of Shanghai...

http://img.shopsafe.com/shop/totalvac_com/thumbs/genuine_hoover_7_inch_crevice_tool_tan_totalvac_com_sm.jpg

And I think Crevice Tool-Chicago would be the perfect name for it. :)

Kidding aside, I do like the design. I hope that Carley is able to see this one through.

[serrot]

The shape of the building reminds me of the one in the " I ROBOT" movie
with Will Smith.

[Classic Man]

Shouldn't it be Waldorf=Astoria? They use a double hyphen, which isn't the same as a 'equals sign'.

[spyguy]

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6003/waldorf2ea0.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3930/waldorf3qu0.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6238/waldorf4dm5.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4440/waldorf5ez7.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/807/waldorf6ab2.jpg

[ZZ-II]

thx spyguy. this tower would fit very good in the skyline...but it wouldn't stand out very much i think

[Phoenix10123]

I think the building is pretty, it just feels like there are so many buildinng being built or are already there in that area. But that parking lot needs to go because its not doing anything to make the area look better.

[Chitowner245]

thx spyguy. this tower would fit very good in the skyline...but it wouldn't stand out very much i think

The tower certainly won't stand out too much in the skyline, but if it were 1400 it would, too bad it isn't, but I'm just being greedy as hell saying that. Anyways, we're so fortunate to have this building proposed here regardless and I hope it gets built.

[SGMD1]

I love it!!! Chicago is becoming epic with its construction projects

Wikipedia is saying there was supposed to be a presentation in front of the Streeterville Organization of Active Residents last week...anyone know how that went?

[phillybud]

THe Waldorf is modern, sleek and elegant. Another trophy for the wonderful city of Chicago! I can't wait 'til the construction begins!!

[depressio]

thx spyguy. this tower would fit very good in the skyline...but it wouldn't stand out very much i think

Well, you have to pick one or the other, don't you? Haha

[Jude12]

soo short for a 100floor building.

[Cliff]

Its perfect, its beautiful! It twists without turning.

[ZZ-II]

Well, you have to pick one or the other, don't you? Haha

what do you mean?

[mudvayneimn]

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/807/waldorf6ab2.jpg

Wow, the twist on this building is way more extreme than I originally thought. I'm liking this tower more and more each day.:banana:

[MDguy]

It looks Mini compared to the spire!
i can't wait for this one to be built, it will look great in the skyline

[mgk920]

Shouldn't it be Waldorf=Astoria? They use a double hyphen, which isn't the same as a 'equals sign'.
I am aware of some of the history of them in their original NYC incarnation, with the originally separate companies and their next door hotel buildings that were physically merged - later to be torn down to build the ESB, so an '=' does make sense to me.

Mike

[Dale]

That model hardly looks 1,109 feet to me.

[Green Jello]

That's what happens when you put it next to the 2,000' Spire.

[PresidentBjork]

I wouldn't be surprised that the floor count would be revised to a more logical number in future, because it would seem it is just not tall enough to contain that number. That said, in most places this would be a huge building, but it is Chicago.

[ZZ-II]

more logical??? what is not logical with 100 floors for a 338m tower?

[PresidentBjork]

because look how thin it gets towards the top, and there's gotta be room for machinery and other facilities. 338 meters actually makes it shorter than the Aon. However, if floors to go all they way up to the most slender bit, yeah.. it could be possible.

[ChicagoJon]

I get that a twist on top = more rooms with a lake view = LOTS more $$$, but it seems strange to me that it's twisting away from the lake.

I don't know why this is bothering me but it's very strange. Any good reasons for why it's better to twist this way instead of the other way? Sure you get a better view in toward the river/loop from the S facing windows, but they lose lake/harbor views at the mouth of the river (and are blocked off from seeing the spire). It seems like a N facing would be better for upper floor condos which seems strange to me. Wouldn't you want to maximize the river+lake views to get the most out of the high rent condos?

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4983/wahotelaf4.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wahotelaf4.jpg)

EDIT - Of course, depending on how thin the building is above the twist point who knows how many condos there will be per floor or if they might run from one side to the other *drool*

[Hed_Kandi]

I really hope this gets built. America's economy is shit right now, but with Waldorf Astoria backing the project - it should get built.

[poshbakerloo]

very nice shape

[Second City]

I really wish it was taller. But I guess when compared to the spire it looks a lot smaller.

[Dale]

That's what happens when you put it next to the 2,000' Spire.

Yeah, I factored the spire in. I was focusing on the other buildings.

[WonderlandPark]

The spire is ridiculous. Should have been built closer to something else tall, like the Hancock or the Sears. It is just so absurdly tall, but that is a good thing.

[Jules]

Looks good. Hope to see this one go through smoothly.

[Chitowner245]

The spire will eventually have company. I wouldn't be surprised to hear plans for something tall near it before it ends construction.

[emutiny]

I really hope this gets built. America's economy is shit right now, but with Waldorf Astoria backing the project - it should get built.

Americas economy is actually not shit right now.

[TheGlobalizer]

I really hope this gets built. America's economy is shit right now, but with Waldorf Astoria backing the project - it should get built.

No, the economy's not shit. Just a post-credit-bubble down period. Most economic indicators are strong.

[MillerTime]

I think this is my new favorite project in Chicago. It’s simple yet modern and elegant. It should fit in real well with the spire nearby.

[ChgoLvr83]

From SSP:

Prepare for this one to possibly go taller.

[ZZ-II]

i hope that means more floors also

[pennster]

I really hope this gets built. America's economy is shit right now, but with Waldorf Astoria backing the project - it should get built.

The normal residential market isn't going anywhere, but nobody's saying that the economy is shit but you! :lol:

[Myster E]

i hope that means more floors also

I wouldn't have thought so, bear in mind if this were to be taller by however much the 100 floor figure seems sensible, especially if it's mainly hotel/residential but who knows.

[EnDleSsWaLtZ]

If they could raise the height to 1300 to 1500 feet the Waldorf-Astoria would be just breathtaking. Not saying it's anything less than that right now. If it was decided to build it that tall it would compliment the Chicago Spire and the Chicago skyline very well. Who knows they might just only increase the height by 100 feet and just add nine or ten more floors.

[RON-E]

beautiful building! i love it!

[soup or man]

From SSP:

@1,300, except the last thumbnail
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7219/chi11vo1.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chi11vo1.jpg) http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/913/chi12im9.th.jpg (http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chi12im9.jpg) http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/2056/chi13ox1.th.jpg (http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chi13ox1.jpg)

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8415/chi10ox2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[MDguy]

WOW. Just WOW!

[xXFallenXx]

Nice!

[romanamerican]

speacless. It looks nice and tall. it is defenetly taller than 338, I'd say something like 400 since the spire is 600..

Really really nice tower!

[Eric Offereins]

Impressive.

[spyguy]

Perhaps 1200 ft & 107 floors?

From SSP:
As a unit owner in the River East Center I received a letter from John J. George Law Firm proposing the zoning change for the Waldorf=Astoria site. The building is proposed to be approximately 107 stories and approximately 1,200ft tall. The design includes 348 hotel rooms, 352 residential units, and 570 parking spaces.

[Skyscrapercitizen]

OMG, this project rocks!

[Second City]

WOOOT
:dance:

[ZZ-II]

cool, now we've 107 floors. hopefully we'll have a few more increases in the future :)

[helghast]

107 stories and 1,200ft tall :cheers::cheers::cheers:

[cheeps]

Please confirm the height change by posting the letter.

[helghast]

^^ read post 238

[cheeps]

^^ read post 238

I did! Produce the document!

[MDguy]

heres a quick render done by Ryan81 at ssp

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9846/fromhancockze1.jpg

[helghast]

:omg: that is the coolest pic ever

[Second City]

Would you be able to see the waterview from that angle?

[shivtim]

^

Yep, Waterview would be right in front of Sears from that angle, to the right of the building with the pointed roof (R.R.Donnelly)