http://www.ameinfo.com/133263.html

Saudi Arabian women are requesting a meeting with King Abdullah after petitioning him to end a ban on female drivers, reported Bloomberg. Such a meeting would be the first public challenge to the prohibition in 17 years. The Committee of Demanders of Women's Right to Drive Cars submitted a petition to the monarch on September 23 with 1,100 signatories.

Personally, I believe the end is near for the ban of course--although I have a feelng only selected females will be allowed for driving.

Why are women banned from driving?? :ohno:

we have list of reasons for that.

saudi guy, no offence but when u say alot of reasons surely you only mean one?
Like much of the mulslim world women are victims of misogeny based on a medievil mindset, no?
However I recognise that of all the countries in the world Saudi is the one that has changed the most in the shortest time.
From a country like pre-Roman Britain 50 years ago, to what it is today is quite a pace.
And I'm confident that soon the law prohibiting women drivers will change :)
aliya,came across youre post & it appears ur female!
Good luck to you on SSC , such a male enviroment.
cheers & njoy
Dread

maybe they don't trust their women !! :P

^
do you know what is the funny
they have no problem if the women driven by a forefinger driver.

we are just a nation with the newo-phobia
believe me, if bringing maids became a new trend that occurs in the society
they will prohibit that
same as they prohibit the sunglasses, bicycles (do you know that they called them the devil's horses!!), satellites, caller Id, cellphones with a camera built in
they became the first ppl in owning all these stuff (btw, any one watching Tash ma tash here :lol: )
this is not bad imho, I believe that the slow change is much better than the fast one
China is changing so slow, and they are doing very will
Russia changed so fast, but the results were bad

Women banned from driving?This is nonsense.

Women banned from driving?This is nonsense.

No Mark its true.
U bin on that brown sugar again ?
Choose life , mate!
But banning bicycles? :nuts:
That realy IS nonsense.
I never knew they banned all that stuff. Maybe I need a bit a that suger too...

hay when i said we have lot's of reasons that not mean i am with banned,dear did you came to Saudi cites before? we have lot's of problems with traffic,average family have 4 cars (dependent of sons car for each one),Crowded roads you need to go to your work or school one/two hours before it start,second thing Our young men will not lets girls moving freely by harassment these situation needs more time to adapt.

at last what your problem with driving?

^^ maybe the need to ban men from harassing women instead of banning women from doing such simple things :nuts:


aliya,came across youre post & it appears ur female!
Good luck to you on SSC , such a male enviroment.
cheers & njoy
Dread

ive been here for over a year ... and it's been fine. dunno why there would be a problem or anything for me being a female on this website, its about skyscrapers :lol:

^^ maybe the need to ban men from harassing women instead of banning women from doing such simple things :nuts:

Security men, police, religious, and many adults are trying to reduce those cases but who cares:nuts:

Many youths unfortunatly in saudi are very immature and even dangrous sometimes, i think it is indeed unsafe for women to be driving alone. but i think its ok if they are driving with a male.

No offence but I think banning women to drive is nonsense and unacceptable. This is an insult to Islam also. Islam never forbid women from driving, and imposing such rule draws criticism and misunderstanding about Islam among non-Muslims. Please, remove that law or else, we are selling the bad wrong name of Islam

Crowded roads you need to go to your work or school one/two hours before it start,second thing Our young men will not lets girls moving freely by harassment these situation needs more time to adapt.

Why not making the roads less crowd and easy for everybody (both men and women to drive in ? ) Saudi Arabia doesn't have any rail links, and the only way to move around is by car. Saudi Arabia is one of the safest places in the world with one of the world's lowest crime rate. I don't find any excuses to block women from driving :ohno:

My sister and my mother can't survive without driving.

skyprince saudi is indeed safe, but that is because of these types of laws. If women are allowed to drive alone, they are bound to harrased by males.

^^ My young sister has a car and she drives everyday to many different places, and she never get harrassed by men :ohno:

^^ there are bros and cons..............but the thing is u cant look at this matter idevedually its a part of a system..............

no offense, but i can't imagine a woman driving a car in Saudi. this will be too risky for her.

^^ maybe the need to ban men from harassing women instead of banning women from doing such simple things :nuts:



ive been here for over a year ... and it's been fine. dunno why there would be a problem or anything for me being a female on this website, its about skyscrapers :lol:

No of course there wouldnt be a problem , only alot of typicly male ways of seeing the world. Very outward looking & ego based, skyscrapers,(big) cars, (fast)sports & military (we won), infrastructure (massive)etc.Rather than the more intuative & people based ways that women tend to look at things.
Im not sterotyping just observing.
I'm a geezer but I get frustrated at the all male phallocentric/myopic ways of this forum sometimes.
And as for suadi laws? yeah make sexual harassment a crime.Easier to ban women from driving...
U Enjoy.

And as for suadi laws? yeah make sexual harassment a crime.Easier to ban women from driving...
U Enjoy.

Totally agree. Make sexual harassment a crime and stop banning women from driving.

no offense, but i can't imagine a woman driving a car in Saudi. this will be too risky for her.

Reckless and dangerous driving = Suicide . and Islam forbids suicide .
Same like smoking. Smoking = suicide. How come most Muslims don't get this ??

Bro you dont understand^^^ it is indeed very risky for women to driving alone in saudi, its not like other countries.

It is about time to scrap that backward legislation. Everywhere else in the Arab Word women drive. Saudi Arabia has a poor record in women's rights. :ohno:

Bro you dont understand^^^ it is indeed very risky for women to driving alone in saudi, its not like other countries.


can you please explain why? what might happen ?

^^Here (in KSA), people drive like crazy!!!Besides, most of the roads are highways where the accidents kill people!!
And of course, the indians and pakistanis would want to make mini-accidents on perpes just to talk with the woman driving.
And, they are talking of it (women's right to drive) for ages...

^ not just indian pakistani's, even young saudis

^^ That is because men are frustrated because of the segregation between women and men.

True true. if you compare in UAE they are not frustrated and women can easily drive alone there

grrrrr MEN !!! :mad:

It is about time to scrap that backward legislation. Everywhere else in the Arab Word women drive. Saudi Arabia has a poor record in women's rights. :ohno:

from where you get that?:|Women here have more rights it enough they always wearing new dress,have lot of money,she can go anywhere with deriver,have the right to decide choosing her future husband,have Respecting in malls,road...always lady's first,so stop saying nonsense.

^^these aren't rights, these are facts!!the women in ksa don't have the right to vote, to drive, to where what she wants (in public spaces)...And besides, lady's firts isn't a right, nore having a lot of money, KSA is one of the richest countries of the world and every single saudi man or woman should be rich.

I agree with beird guy that women should drive but I don't think that oil production is enough to make every saudi rich!

from where you get that?:|Women here have more rights it enough they always wearing new dress,have lot of money,she can go anywhere with deriver,have the right to decide choosing her future husband,have Respecting in malls,road...always lady's first,so stop saying nonsense.

Ok.I think we might have hit the nail on the head.i guess u r a fairly liberel & open minded man by saudi standrds.
But u think that women in saudi have enough rights already.?
And here lies the problem.
Until women everywhere including saudi have the same rights as men its still obviously unfair.
If they let women drive in KSA it would be up to her to sort out protection if she felt threatenend.
Are u saying that the men on KSA are such barbarians that it is too unsafe for women? Even with protection?
Shame on KSA men if this is so.
However i doubt that KSA men are much different to, say pakistani men for example, in that respect.And women in pakistan can drive ok.
it will change in ksa but in a while...

^^ by not letting women drive, it makes Saudi men seem like perverts who cant control themselves when they see a woman without a man with her !! really.

i think they need to stop this ban, it doesn't mean that when women drive, that all of them will start driving, its just nice to know to they can drive (a simple thing)

Ok.I think we might have hit the nail on the head.i guess u r a fairly liberel & open minded man by saudi standrds.

iam very liberal like my father i hope someday see my wife and daughters go to work by themselfs i fully agree but as i told you in Current situations it's impossible for many reasons.


But u think that women in saudi have enough rights already.?

for now yep and it's not necessary to be same men rights they have theme own rights.

Are u saying that the men on KSA are such barbarians that it is too unsafe for women? Even with protection?
Shame on KSA men if this is so.

hay stop of course not all of them and average ages 17~30......and dependent in regions.

btw in north jeddah in area called durt al aros women can drive there,take off abaya and wearing swimming cloth if they want.

^
also in Aramco city
and guess, in the country to

don't forget Empty Quarter many women driving there.

ok it is something to say women in ksa should drive, and another to say they dont have rights...........................saudi girls are educated ( and sent around the globe for higher ed ) and with strong personality and great social skills they defend themselves pretty well........................
it is NOT that the streets are dangerous to them ................but in thier culture it is not dignefied for women to do labour ,driving is consedered such...................having a car is no big deal here and is not consedered a wish come true as in many other places..........
and believe me only a very small minority of women are not comfortable with this.................it will be allowed but not practised.

^^ Yes, if it's a cultural-- then I can accept it. But don't ever say it is Islam that bans women from driving.

As a Muslim , I really want to see Muslims all around the world to stick to the true Islamic life -- you see, it's the very small matters like this that Muslims are extremely backward at present. Why can't we sacrifice our backward sides of our culture for the sake of Islam ?

I personally admit that there are many negative aspects in my Malay culture but I put them aside-- because what is the most important is my identity as a Muslim and a practitioner of Islam.

i heard they were making a law that women over 35 can drive

why allow them drive when most appose such idea?

most of who,, hay2at 2amer bel ma3roof ?? :lol:

^^ I think there was a survey that said something like 70% oppose it or so. Beside I've never met any Saudi who is in favor of their females driving.

btw my sisters drive.

^^Here (in KSA), people drive like crazy!!!Besides, most of the roads are highways where the accidents kill people!!
And of course, the indians and pakistanis would want to make mini-accidents on perpes just to talk with the woman driving.
And, they are talking of it (women's right to drive) for ages...

^^Hey what r u suggesting....men in South Asia like to talk with women on purpose and even more stupid is to suggest that they would have an accident just to talk!!! Shows u need some treatment...

By the way women drive in Pakistan and India without any restrictions and without the fear of men hitting them, just for the purpose of talking!!

btw my sisters drive.
my older sister drives..... only in the desert :lol:
my aunt once drove in the 63ous while she was pregnant :lol:

why allow them drive when most appose such idea?

How could you be sure to know most oppose it unless they were allowed to vote on it?

Some that do support it probably do so out of apathy because they don't feel they can do anything towards changing it anyway.

^^I'm Saudi and I was born and raised there. I support women driving and I KNOW that I'm represent the minority of that debate.

It's sad, hard to belive, but true!

^^I'm Saudi and I was born and raised there. I support women driving and I KNOW that I'm represent the minority of that debate.

It's sad, hard to belive, but true!

That very well may be true but if women were actually given the opportunity to vote on it themselves then just the real proposition that the choice of the matter is in their hands would likely alter some peoples views on it. People are apt to accept and support a status quo especially if they feel it unlikely to be changed anyway.

Anyway, I think I read somewhere that the majority of men do support the status quo but among Saudi women it is decidedly mixed if I remember correctly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,1674339,00.html

Poll claims support for allowing women to drive

Associated Press in Riyadh
Wednesday December 28, 2005
The Guardian

A newspaper poll published yesterday claimed that 60% of Saudis believe that women should be allowed to drive.
The results appeared in the Okaz daily just two days after Crown Prince Sultan Bin Abdel Aziz told reporters in Riyadh that the government had no objections to letting women drive, as long as "their fathers, husbands and brothers" approved.

Polling methods, including the size of the sample and whether it included women, were not provided. But the publication of the results in one of the kingdom's newspapers suggested high-level approval.

^^Hey what r u suggesting....men in South Asia like to talk with women on purpose and even more stupid is to suggest that they would have an accident just to talk!!! Shows u need some treatment...

By the way women drive in Pakistan and India without any restrictions and without the fear of men hitting them, just for the purpose of talking!!

indians and pakistanis in their countries are not the same that the indians and pakistanis that live in KSA.
And ur the one that need a treatment because here, when a woman is not covering her hair, everybody(indians and pakistanis...)look at her as if she was a godess so imagine what would they do to have the "chance" to talk to a woman:nuts:

^^I'm Saudi and I was born and raised there. I support women driving and I KNOW that I'm represent the minority of that debate.

It's sad, hard to belive, but true!

I know some saudi people in riyadh that also support women driving and i can assure you that you are not a minority.

I know some saudi people in riyadh that also support women driving and i can assure you that you are not a minority.

I think we are minority :ohno:
except the ppl around me
the king have no problem.
He said once that he thinks that the women going to drive some day, if the society starts to accept the idea (thats means they will not drive at all) :ohno:
specially the harassments are increasing from guys, and the crimes rate is increasing to :ohno:
am gonna go to my bed and cry :cry:

Women driving will be very dangerous in the beginning but as the years goes by it will be OK. One main reason is that the Guys will be chasing them. Few times I saw many cars chased car with woman passenger.

I think we are minority :ohno:
except the ppl around me
the king have no problem.
He said once that he thinks that the women going to drive some day, if the society starts to accept the idea (thats means they will not drive at all) :ohno:
specially the harassments are increasing from guys, and the crimes rate is increasing to :ohno:
am gonna go to my bed and cry :cry:
I know a Saudi Sheikh (religious I mean). He said that there is nothing in Islam that prevents women from driving. He said also that this ban is only part of their war against liberals.

the guys don't chase women with their drivers right now ??

^^^
they do, but the closed minded is closed minded

I know a Saudi Sheikh (religious I mean). He said that there is nothing in Islam that prevents women from driving. He said also that this ban is only part of their war against liberals.
this might be one of the reasons
but the ban happened before liberals started to appear in the society

the guys don't chase women with their drivers right now ??

They really do and those Guys they don't care if they are causing a traffic or accident to others. You can see them trying to give their phone numbers to the ladies or even sometimes asking the ladies to transfer to their car.

indians and pakistanis in their countries are not the same that the indians and pakistanis that live in KSA.
And ur the one that need a treatment because here, when a woman is not covering her hair, everybody(indians and pakistanis...)look at her as if she was a godess so imagine what would they do to have the "chance" to talk to a woman:nuts:

I really wanted to ignore your post but now since you've posted the same crap twice, I think I better respond now. It isn't right to generalize and paint everyone with the same brush across the board... You've written it as if every Indian/Pakistani does that. I suggest that the next time you go out in the market, do look around closely and you'll find tons of Arabs ogling at women (with covered or uncovered hair!).

Now I suggest, you get back to the topic at hand instead of bringing in things that have nothing to do with this topic.

I have never really seen any Indian or Pakstani chasing or harassing girls in Saudi Arabia. The Saudi guys are who to blame here.

^^
me to

i know only one gentle Pakstani (who design arabic pepsi logo)he Pretending like Saudi guys in tahlia:D

indians and pakistanis in their countries are not the same that the indians and pakistanis that live in KSA.
And ur the one that need a treatment because here, when a woman is not covering her hair, everybody(indians and pakistanis...)look at her as if she was a godess so imagine what would they do to have the "chance" to talk to a woman:nuts:

most of the ones who look are lonely bachelors who dont have family in KSA. They live alone with no woman to talk to too. so i guess its natural.

indians and pakistanis in their countries are not the same that the indians and pakistanis that live in KSA.
And ur the one that need a treatment because here, when a woman is not covering her hair, everybody(indians and pakistanis...)look at her as if she was a godess so imagine what would they do to have the "chance" to talk to a woman:nuts:

This is another crap u posted....I recommended u treatment because of the crap u were posting...Thank God, huit has answered u.....As for me, i don't post crap, so no treatment for me, cheers

They really do and those Guys they don't care if they are causing a traffic or accident to others. You can see them trying to give their phone numbers to the ladies or even sometimes asking the ladies to transfer to their car.

OMG, i cant imagine how that must look like :lol: i dunno if i find it pathetic or funny :D

but...are those common or are these just isolated incidents? i cant still cant imagine a guy in a right frame of mind do that

Women driving will be very dangerous in the beginning but as the years goes by it will be OK. One main reason is that the Guys will be chasing them. Few times I saw many cars chased car with woman passenger.


Ever considered that the problem may be the guys rather than the women? If Saudi guys are so misbehaving when they see a woman, maybe you need to give them a re-education instead of banning women from public life :)

Woman can't drive... Simply Pathetic

^^ WWE Fan.... simply stupid :D

^^loool

^^ WWE Fan.... simply stupid :D

7ilwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

Woman can't drive... Simply Pathetic

LOLOL!

Ou pa, um adepto do benfica a dizer isto?? temos d passar boa imagem, q o nosso clube n vai assim tao bem!

pS: woman can drive and they should be able to drive.. just a word: freedom!

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The Al Saoud familly should be expelled (send them to Bush !) and Saudi Arabia should become a secular Republic. Sharia is hardly applied to Saudi Arabia's citizens and to foreign visitors when the Royal Familly spend a lot of time in Europe or America drinking whisky and making parties with the jet set.

This dictatorship is even worst than Saddam's or Amadinejad's ones.
Women should drive in Saudi Arabia and Abdallah should be jailled for the rest of his life in charge of "crime against mankind".

FYI
^^^ahmadinejad is not a dictator
the iranian political system is not as Galactic Empire as you think

anyway... women should be allowed to drive in saudi arabia. if there is a problem with horny perverted desperate pathetic barbaric lazy unemployed Saudi men who are such animals they cant even control their impulses who follow women around in their land cruisers, then those men need to be jailed so that women can drive

FYI
^^^ahmadinejad is not a dictator

Of course, everybody in this world know that this mystical politician is a greath democrat.

The Al Saoud familly should be expelled (send them to Bush !) and Saudi Arabia should become a secular Republic. Sharia is hardly applied to Saudi Arabia's citizens and to foreign visitors when the Royal Familly spend a lot of time in Europe or America drinking whisky and making parties with the jet set.

This dictatorship is even worst than Saddam's or Amadinejad's ones.
Women should drive in Saudi Arabia and Abdallah should be jailled for the rest of his life in charge of "crime against mankind".

dream on :lol:

FYI
^^^ahmadinejad is not a dictator
the iranian political system is not as Galactic Empire as you think

anyway... women should be allowed to drive in saudi arabia. if there is a problem with horny perverted desperate pathetic barbaric lazy unemployed Saudi men who are such animals they cant even control their impulses who follow women around in their land cruisers, then those men need to be jailed so that women can drive
thank you

^^ WWE Fan.... simply stupid :D
haha not allowing women to drive... simply stupid

^^ not knowing what you are talking about .... extremly stupid :D

wow im suprised this thread isnt locked

First of all, driving is a privilege not a right. You will get the privilege only if you meet certain criteria’s. I don’t see any reason why women should not be able to drive. But I also think that it’s not a big deal if they are not allowed to, so long as their movements are not unreasonably restricted.

This whole issue has been exposed quite vehemently in the western media mainly because of the fact that Saudi Arabia implements religious mandated laws ( I know women being able to drive is not one of the religious laws) and the foundation of the Western laws are secular (separation of religion from state affairs). I do feel that some of the elements of the main driving force behind the creed for women having driving privilege, especially from the western countries, have ideological influence.

So...any news about this???

Saudi Arabia to lift ban on women drivers
By Damien McElroy in Riyadh
Last Updated: 1:02am GMT 21/01/2008



Saudi Arabia is to lift its ban on women drivers in an attempt to stem a rising suffragette-style movement in the deeply conservative state.

Government officials have confirmed the landmark decision and plan to issue a decree by the end of the year.

The move is designed to forestall campaigns for greater freedom by women, which have recently included protesters driving cars through the Islamic state in defiance of a threat of detention and loss of livelihoods.

The royal family has previously balked at granting women driving permits, claiming the step did not have full public support. The driving ban dates back to the establishment of the state in 1932, although recently the government line has weakened.

"There has been a decision to move on this by the Royal Court because it is recognised that if girls have been in schools since the 1960s, they have a capability to function behind the wheel when they grow up," a government official told The Daily Telegraph. "We will make an announcement soon."

Abdulaziz bin Salamah, the deputy information minister, said the official reform programme had been dogged by debate over the issue.

"In terms of women driving, we don't have it now because of the reticence of some segments of society," he said. "For example, my mother wouldn't want my sister to drive.

"It's something she cannot grapple with. But there is change on the way. I think the fair view is that one can be against it but one does not have the right to prevent it."

If the ban on women driving is lifted, it could be years before the full impact is seen. Practical hurdles stopping women obtaining licences and insurance must be overcome.

Mohammad al-Zulfa, a reformist member of the Saudi consultative Shura Council, which scrutinises official policies in the oil-rich state, said reversing the ban was part of King Abdullah's "clever" strategy of incremental reform.

"When it was first raised, the extremists were really mad," he said. "Now they just complain. It is diminishing into a form of consent."

Saudi Arabia maintains a strict segregation of the sexes outside the family home.

An unaccompanied woman must shop behind curtains and cannot hail a taxi.

Critics believe allowing women to drive would be the first step towards a gradual erosion of the kingdom's modesty laws. A woman would have to remove the traditional abaya robe to get a clear view behind the wheel.

"Allowing women to drive will only bring sin," a letter to Al-Watan newspaper declared last year. "The evils it would bring - mixing between the genders, temptations, and tarnishing the reputation of devout Muslim women - outweigh the benefits."

Saudi women have mounted growing protests. Fouzia al-Ayouni, the country's most prominent women's rights campaigner, has risked arrest by leading convoys of women drivers. "We have broken the barrier of fear," she said. "We want the authorities to know that we're here, that we want to drive, and that many people feel the way we do."

Source: Telegraph, UK

I think this is also worth posting,,

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi authorities, breaking with religious codes that require women to be accompanied by a male guardian, have decided to allow women to stay in hotels on their own, a newspaper reported on Monday.

A royal decree allowed the Ministry of Commerce and Industry to lay down new regulations simply requiring women to show personal identification including a photograph, which hotel managers must register with local police, al-Watan said.

Tribal custom and hardline religious strictures limit women's movement in the conservative Islamic state, the only country in the world where women are forbidden from driving.

Saudi women can face harassment from the religious police if they are not accompanied in public areas by a male relative who acts as her "guardian". The rules are less strictly enforced for foreigners and in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia's most liberal city.

The paper said the rules, set out in last month's decree, were worked out in coordination with the Ministry of the Interior and the religious police organization, two bodies who rights activists say stand in the way of improved women's rights in Saudi Arabia.

Concern over the country's image abroad and a desire to integrate women into the national economy have driven liberal voices within government to advance more freedoms for women.

King Abdullah has said he supports reforms, including lifting the driving ban, but only when "society" accepts it.

A Saudi delegation faced tough questioning before a panel of the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women in Geneva last week.

(Reporting by Andrew Hammond; Editing by Richard Balmforth)

so is that The End of the Story ?

whatzz da latest newz abt women being allowd to drv ???

^^ They still cant hehehe

hehehe
thats offensive! j/k

I really wanted to ignore your post but now since you've posted the same crap twice, I think I better respond now. It isn't right to generalize and paint everyone with the same brush across the board... You've written it as if every Indian/Pakistani does that. I suggest that the next time you go out in the market, do look around closely and you'll find tons of Arabs ogling at women (with covered or uncovered hair!).

Now I suggest, you get back to the topic at hand instead of bringing in things that have nothing to do with this topic.

I have never really seen any Indian or Pakstani chasing or harassing girls in Saudi Arabia. The Saudi guys are who to blame here.

most of the ones who look are lonely bachelors who dont have family in KSA. They live alone with no woman to talk to too. so i guess its natural.

+1

why cant people just live with it, its a law in ksa, just live with it, they have their own reasons for it.

Saudi Arabia deserve international sanctions for discrimination against woman and religious intolerance.

Saudi Arabia deserve international sanctions for discrimination against woman and religious intolerance.
hhhhhhhhhhhhhh that was funny...are you joking or for real??
anyway, there is an old saying I'd like to say here:
(If your house is made from glass,don't throw other people with stones)
about the religious intolerance....I need you to clear this point because we are not the the people who kill other people just for being on a certain religion.
what I meant is you can't blame a whole country or race because of -punch of psychos did something bad towards others-includind us my dear if you dont know.
but in compare you can blame them if the government and their force from police,army.....etc, were doing this and a percentage of the citizens are happy and supporting that.(I don't mean what happened in the medieval Europe or Germany or the soviets or China or or or) no...no...no I didn't mean that at all:)
about the women there.believe it or not,on the BBC 2006 I dont remember the exact date,they declared the Saudi women as the world queen.
after a long list of the privileges that they have I dont think they are really looking for driving a car..and if they want believe me they gonna have it>
yeah lets go back to the saying:
(If your house is made from glass,don't throw other people with stones)
dude really if someone or some countries deserve "international sanctions" yours is gonna be on the top of the lest:bash:
lets see:
-Homicide rates:
Saudi Arabia: 0.92
Brazil: 25.7
Hmmmmmmmmmm interesting.
and this not the place to list them all, so with a little help of google you'll know how f***ed up is your country..and really guys you need a serious international "supervising" it might help with:
one of the highest five crime rate in the world (homicide,smuggling,drugs,prostitution..etc you know your country more than I do:) )

wow you guys need to chill

who cares what other people say we know there wrong and
they do too

Islam in Brazil was first practiced by African slaves !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Brazil

Arabs are always losing wars to everybody !

hhhhhhhhhhhhhh that was funny...are you joking or for real??
anyway, there is an old saying I'd like to say here:
(If your house is made from glass,don't throw other people with stones)
about the religious intolerance....I need you to clear this point because we are not the the people who kill other people just for being on a certain religion.
what I meant is you can't blame a whole country or race because of -punch of psychos did something bad towards others-includind us my dear if you dont know.
but in compare you can blame them if the government and their force from police,army.....etc, were doing this and a percentage of the citizens are happy and supporting that.(I don't mean what happened in the medieval Europe or Germany or the soviets or China or or or) no...no...no I didn't mean that at all:)
about the women there.believe it or not,on the BBC 2006 I dont remember the exact date,they declared the Saudi women as the world queen.
after a long list of the privileges that they have I dont think they are really looking for driving a car..and if they want believe me they gonna have it>
yeah lets go back to the saying:
(If your house is made from glass,don't throw other people with stones)
dude really if someone or some countries deserve "international sanctions" yours is gonna be on the top of the lest:bash:
lets see:
-Homicide rates:
Saudi Arabia: 0.92
Brazil: 25.7
Hmmmmmmmmmm interesting.
and this not the place to list them all, so with a little help of google you'll know how f***ed up is your country..and really guys you need a serious international "supervising" it might help with:
one of the highest five crime rate in the world (homicide,smuggling,drugs,prostitution..etc you know your country more than I do:) )

I will ignore this comment, just because i dont like to generalize arabs, and i must say i like some of arab culture as well as some countries.

But... something i will never agree, is the way arabs treat women, and the most funny, is that even women are happy being like that, i mean, they think absolutely that to cover their full body is good (a kind of brain-wash), im sorry, it isn't relationed anymore to culture or religion, but yes about human rights, and this is something some arab countries dont have.
What about building big f*** towers to show how rich you are and how modern, if when the subject is human rights, some arab countries are many centuries old...

Honestly, if to cover the body is "sacred", we would be born with clothes.

That's why i have such an admiration for Turkey, a country where islam is still the main religion, but incredible how they have the capacity to absorve and accept others cultures and religions.

hhhhhhhhhhhhhh that was funny...are you joking or for real??
anyway, there is an old saying I'd like to say here:
(If your house is made from glass,don't throw other people with stones)
about the religious intolerance....I need you to clear this point because we are not the the people who kill other people just for being on a certain religion.
what I meant is you can't blame a whole country or race because of -punch of psychos did something bad towards others-includind us my dear if you dont know.
but in compare you can blame them if the government and their force from police,army.....etc, were doing this and a percentage of the citizens are happy and supporting that.(I don't mean what happened in the medieval Europe or Germany or the soviets or China or or or) no...no...no I didn't mean that at all:)
about the women there.believe it or not,on the BBC 2006 I dont remember the exact date,they declared the Saudi women as the world queen.
after a long list of the privileges that they have I dont think they are really looking for driving a car..and if they want believe me they gonna have it>
yeah lets go back to the saying:
(If your house is made from glass,don't throw other people with stones)
dude really if someone or some countries deserve "international sanctions" yours is gonna be on the top of the lest:bash:
lets see:
-Homicide rates:
Saudi Arabia: 0.92
Brazil: 25.7
Hmmmmmmmmmm interesting.
and this not the place to list them all, so with a little help of google you'll know how f***ed up is your country..and really guys you need a serious international "supervising" it might help with:
one of the highest five crime rate in the world (homicide,smuggling,drugs,prostitution..etc you know your country more than I do:) )

Well, since most of the country's population sees no problem with the ban, fewer bad
and I have not Saudi Arabia, and here I will not make the mistake of comparing it with any other country, but hope that it modernize, I am a student of Arab culture and Islam, I think that in recent years, this region of the East Medio, has been through several changes, I think that until the general is getting more liberal, and I hope, that in many countries the persecution of women, enough to be somewhat cowardly and inhuman, regrettable:ohno:

حسنا ، منذ أكثر من سكان البلاد لا ترى مشكلة مع الحظر ، أقل سيئة
وليس لدي المملكة العربية السعودية ، وأنا هنا لن نقع في خطأ مقارنتها مع أي بلد آخر ، ولكن الأمل في أن تحديث ، وأنا طالب من الثقافة العربية والإسلام ، وأعتقد أن في السنوات الأخيرة ، هذه المنطقة من الشرق ميديو ، وقد تم من خلال عدة تغييرات ، وأعتقد أن حتى العام هو الحصول على أكثر ليبرالية ، وآمل ، في كثير من البلدان أن اضطهاد المرأة ، بما يكفي ليكون نوعا ما جبان وغير إنسانية ، من المؤسف

I will ignore this comment, just because i dont like to generalize arabs, and i must say i like some of arab culture as well as some countries.

But... something i will never agree, is the way arabs treat women, and the most funny, is that even women are happy being like that, i mean, they think absolutely that to cover their full body is good (a kind of brain-wash), im sorry, it isn't relationed anymore to culture or religion, but yes about human rights, and this is something some arab countries dont have.
What about building big f*** towers to show how rich you are and how modern, if when the subject is human rights, some arab countries are many centuries old...

Honestly, if to cover the body is "sacred", we would be born with clothes.

That's why i have such an admiration for Turkey, a country where islam is still the main religion, but incredible how they have the capacity to absorve and accept others cultures and religions.

I agree with you
but I do not think really cool to compare Turkey with Saudi Arabia, are so different .. and Turkey, as well as human rights, falls far

hhhhhhhhhhhhhh that was funny...are you joking or for real??
anyway, there is an old saying I'd like to say here:
(If your house is made from glass,don't throw other people with stones)
about the religious intolerance....I need you to clear this point because we are not the the people who kill other people just for being on a certain religion.
what I meant is you can't blame a whole country or race because of -punch of psychos did something bad towards others-includind us my dear if you dont know.
but in compare you can blame them if the government and their force from police,army.....etc, were doing this and a percentage of the citizens are happy and supporting that.(I don't mean what happened in the medieval Europe or Germany or the soviets or China or or or) no...no...no I didn't mean that at all:)
about the women there.believe it or not,on the BBC 2006 I dont remember the exact date,they declared the Saudi women as the world queen.
after a long list of the privileges that they have I dont think they are really looking for driving a car..and if they want believe me they gonna have it>
yeah lets go back to the saying:
(If your house is made from glass,don't throw other people with stones)
dude really if someone or some countries deserve "international sanctions" yours is gonna be on the top of the lest:bash:
lets see:
-Homicide rates:
Saudi Arabia: 0.92
Brazil: 25.7
Hmmmmmmmmmm interesting.
and this not the place to list them all, so with a little help of google you'll know how f***ed up is your country..and really guys you need a serious international "supervising" it might help with:
one of the highest five crime rate in the world (homicide,smuggling,drugs,prostitution..etc you know your country more than I do:) )

Thats why I love Brazil!
:cheers::cheers::cheers:
:banana::banana::banana:

Now, seriously...
I dont know what I know about your country seeking something in Google....
Now... in this crisis... Petroleum about US$40... tell me what your country will do about that!
:D
OMG.. Now I realize who is really f***ed!!
In few years... Would you like to buy some bottle of water? I can sell you about 150bucks per gallon!

hhhhhhhhhhhhhh that was funny...are you joking or for real??
anyway, there is an old saying I'd like to say here:
(If your house is made from glass,don't throw other people with stones)
about the religious intolerance....I need you to clear this point because we are not the the people who kill other people just for being on a certain religion.
what I meant is you can't blame a whole country or race because of -punch of psychos did something bad towards others-includind us my dear if you dont know.
but in compare you can blame them if the government and their force from police,army.....etc, were doing this and a percentage of the citizens are happy and supporting that.(I don't mean what happened in the medieval Europe or Germany or the soviets or China or or or) no...no...no I didn't mean that at all:)
about the women there.believe it or not,on the BBC 2006 I dont remember the exact date,they declared the Saudi women as the world queen.
after a long list of the privileges that they have I dont think they are really looking for driving a car..and if they want believe me they gonna have it>
yeah lets go back to the saying:
(If your house is made from glass,don't throw other people with stones)
dude really if someone or some countries deserve "international sanctions" yours is gonna be on the top of the lest:bash:
lets see:
-Homicide rates:
Saudi Arabia: 0.92
Brazil: 25.7
Hmmmmmmmmmm interesting.
and this not the place to list them all, so with a little help of google you'll know how f***ed up is your country..and really guys you need a serious international "supervising" it might help with:
one of the highest five crime rate in the world (homicide,smuggling,drugs,prostitution..etc you know your country more than I do:) )


Well, I'm not the kind of man who is able to ignore...
The only thing interesting here is how ingnorant you are. There is an explanation for numbers these in Saudi Arabia. If you steal something, they cut your handd off, if you rape someone... ( I prefer don't say what I saw they doing... ). If you kill someone, i guess you can imagine what happen.
Come on dude... whata f*** you wanna say. We know our country more than you do, so that's why we don't agree with the f***ing shit you said.
And by the way... if here a woman can choose to be a prostitute and don't be lashed in public, it means that she lived in a civilized country where she is free to decide what she gonna do in her life. I think that civilized societies do not marry laws with fear. :)

Thats why I love Brazil!
:cheers::cheers::cheers:
:banana::banana::banana:

Now, seriously...
I dont know what I know about your country seeking something in Google....
Now... in this crisis... Petroleum about US$40... tell me what your country will do about that!
:D
OMG.. Now I realize who is really f***ed!!
In few years... Would you like to buy some bottle of water? I can sell you about 150bucks per gallon!

XD
hauhauhauahuauauhauhauhau

I agree with you
but I do not think really cool to compare Turkey with Saudi Arabia, are so different .. and Turkey, as well as human rights, falls far

May be still far if compared to most of western countries, but also far from being like Saudi arabia

Thats why I love Brazil!
:cheers::cheers::cheers:
:banana::banana::banana:

Now, seriously...
I dont know what I know about your country seeking something in Google....
Now... in this crisis... Petroleum about US$40... tell me what your country will do about that!
:D
OMG.. Now I realize who is really f***ed!!
In few years... Would you like to buy some bottle of water? I can sell you about 150bucks per gallon!
hahahaha it's cool to see all of this back up...
-about how silly is covring the women I dont witch religion you believe in but I think the every artist drew (The virgin Mary) drew her with scarf on her head >>>I dont know if it does mean something to you.
-about the $40/pl story I think it was more than $ 110 for more than 6 months ...so it's kinda balancing the story..(if you know just a little bit about economy you will know how bad even for Saudi the high prices on the long term.
-for the water:Saudi solved the drinking water problem 2 years ago with more stations on the two long costs,and as far i remember they produced 1 trillion square meter this year witch is 20% more than the need.
finally if you got really angry from what I said...I think there is 4 walls in the room your in..you can try each one of them to smash your head:lol:

hahahaha it's cool to see all of this back up...
-about how silly is covring the women I dont witch religion you believe in but I think the every artist drew (The virgin Mary) drew her with scarf on her head >>>I dont know if it does mean something to you.
-about the $40/pl story I think it was more than $ 110 for more than 6 months ...so it's kinda balancing the story..(if you know just a little bit about economy you will know how bad even for Saudi the high prices on the long term.
-for the water:Saudi solved the drinking water problem 2 years ago with more stations on the two long costs,and as far i remember they produced 1 trillion square meter this year witch is 20% more than the need.
finally if you got really angry from what I said...I think there is 4 walls in the room your in..you can try each one of them to smash your head:lol:

Why I have to care about what youre saying about Brazil, if I have prostitutes and drugs?
:cheers: :banana:
I'll sleep now... I have classes tomorroy at 7Am...
Tomorrow I can answer you, a bit better!
:okay:

it's seems we have Brazilian visitors here!a note for some people any impolite post will be deleted!

Brazilian and Saudi economy cannot be compared. it's cowardice

about the women there.believe it or not,on the BBC 2006 I dont remember the exact date,they declared the Saudi women as the world queen.
WHAT!!! i can't believe it
queen!? please change the picture of all Saudi males deal with their women same as your relatives, friends, and you!!!
majority of Saudi women are not satisfied at all with their current situation (inferior citizens), unless if they are religiously brain washed.
please don't deny that!!!
btw i'm Saudi :)

btw SG if you don't mind please lock this thread! if not deleting it completely!
the topic has shifted strongly and this story happened long time ago!