If for some reason, Liverpool suddenly came into vast somes of money (from the Government or the EU) specifically to invest in a megastructure project, what would you want that project to be?

Examples;

*Fully integrated metro system
*City centre cross-Mersey bridge
*Super port

Be creative, but try and stay within the confines of reality. Then explain why you would love this massive project to happen and why it would be good for Liverpool.

*It cant be a new stadium for Everton or Liverpool*

A giant diamond encrusted statue of Lee Butler, staddling the Mersey from the 051 to RJ's, collosus of Rhodes style.

Failing that something to do with the Beatles as we dont have enough Beatles related stuff goin on in the city, I feel.




; )

1. City Centre bridge. Why? It would become yet another iconic landmark for the city. It would more visibly join the Wirral to the rest of the city, an important symbol of consolidating the city. It would provide a pedestrian crossing, with world-famous views. It would go even further to making Liverpool an umissible city to visit or study or live or invest in. I would love there to be a bridge, crossing between the ACC and the Customs and Excise building (is it they who are in there?).

2. Dee Bridge, say Mostyn to West Kirby. Why? It would radically transform the city region, creating new market oppportunities and consolidating the relationship across the Dee.

3. Second runway built into the river, plus thousands of acres of space for commercial development and rail / road crossing across to the Wirral. Why? It would be a massive boost to the economy, and provide a route in for a high speed rail line from London having a stop at LJLA. The remaining mud-flats would be more than big enough for every single duck and wading bird that cared to call it home.

4. A Liverpool Bay barrage, with just one set of enormous sea gates, to make the entire port accessible to the biggest ships. The barrage could generate all the electricity required for the city region, and the top of it could be a road / rail link, linking Crosby or Formby to Talacre or further west. Within it new Dubai-style communities could be built off the Wirral coast, huge retirement communities with their own marinas, linked by monorails.

How about improving the life of the PEOPLE of Merseyside.

1. Wipe out the tunnnel debts, removing the tax to work and trade that is the tunnel tolls.

2. Completely knock down and rebuild the entrance to this city from the east. I'm talking about the disgrace that is the "No gas!/No Lecky" Edge Lane drive in.

3. Sort out Toxteth, parts of Anfield and the innner city with decent affordable housing.

4. Put 1,000 bobbies on the beat in Liverpool.

5. Bomb to obliteration the whole of Birkenhead North and start all over again! Or better still turn it into a nature reserve.

Well thats for a different thread. We're talking about Megastructures!

Energy
a huge system of renewable energy. A barrage across the whole bay (with causeway) new types of wind turbines. Would have to be brokered and ran from Liverpool so we could make profits from selling the excess into the national grid, making more money, and providing a sustainable investment for the metropolis. This could be tied in with both, energy efficient buildings and a new centre for further research at the universities to enable latest research findings to be sold around the world.. liek we did with the advances we created in dock and ship developments and technologies, but have since lost!


Underground and proper metropolitan-wide rail (possibly light?) system
I would put all track inside Queens Drive underground (makign money for the costs from air rights above the lines), greatly extenting the system out around the city-regiona and wider Bay Area, and intensifying the system in the city proper.

Super port
I think that we should indeed look at the long term possibility of recapturing much of what Liverpool should naturally be able to build as a port, as sea traffic will become a more viable transport option in the long term. The proposals would not deliver anything substantial in the short term, and if it is to provide real gains in the long term, we need to look at how the city can also capture the 'management' infrastructure that facilitates global trade, as it once controlled (often having actually inveneted) There is even the potential, as someone mentioned the other day, of building ont he potential of a permanently or seasonally available North West Passage to the Pacific!


There's three, for a start.

A bridge from Parliament Street (A562) to Brough Road (A5327). A footbridge included and island built halfway with a park and some buildings. Not entirely needed to justify the cost but would provide an alternative river crossing and would look cool.

A revamp of St Johns beacon including a spire, some fins and such, and upgrade as a TV and radio mast.

High speed maglef link to London and another one to Newcastle via Manchester and Leeds ... the rest will take care of itself.

I'd spend it on public transport, specifically, the underground and metro. New lines, new stations, new trains, new security, extra staff. Covering the whole 'City region' to a degree and fully integrated with the airport. Also, upgrade the link between the city centre and the west coast main line, including an upgrade to Lime Street.

It would make the region a more attractive place to live and work and would undoubtedly help the economy long term, very significantly.

1. City Centre bridge. Why? It would become yet another iconic landmark for the city. It would more visibly join the Wirral to the rest of the city, an important symbol of consolidating the city. It would provide a pedestrian crossing, with world-famous views. It would go even further to making Liverpool an umissible city to visit or study or live or invest in. I would love there to be a bridge, crossing between the ACC and the Customs and Excise building (is it they who are in there?).


That would be exciting.

i do love the idea of a bridge ( ignoring the problems and negatives of it and the city etc. etc.)

but regardless any structure would go anywhere here.:evil:

*especially here

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/ALIVER1-1.jpg

Either the Bridge, or the MONSTER cathedral!

i do love the idea of a bridge ( ignoring the problems and negatives of it and the city etc. etc.)

but regardless any structure would go anywhere here.:evil:

*especially here

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/ALIVER1-1.jpg

hang on - can't put it there m8 i work there :lol:

where abouts? :shifty:

where abouts? :shifty:

about 2cm below your asterisk! I'll be able to see it out my office window tomorrow! seriously tho its good choice, that whole area needs something

tbh id really just like to see those cul-de-sac estates to be gone at least.

tbh id really just like to see those cul-de-sac estates to be gone at least.

i know what you mean, its generic low density rubbish which really shouldn't have been built so near to the city centre, but i suspect they'd had enough of tenaments and tower blocks when they started them?

on the bright side, theyre easier to demolish and redevelop than tower blocks etc. (of which usually get replaced by said cul de sacs ironically)

i wonder what could go there though, alot fo the good stuff seems to be and hogged by the waterfront area.

maybe just a (dense) continuation of the CBD or a new dense inner city residential district? but thats not a megastructure now is it? ;) :cry:

Helium and Yoshef, it might be low density rubbish for you, but not to the close knit community who live in those well built and laid out homes.

:poke:

i know what you mean, its generic low density rubbish which really shouldn't have been built so near to the city centre, but i suspect they'd had enough of tenaments and tower blocks when they started them?

That just about sums it up Yoshef. These housing developments are an irresponsible use of land resources (being extremely low density), they harm the city centre by denying it adequate numbers of people to use services (schools, shops, etc), they were also designed in a very insular manner, meaning they effectively form little, impenetrable forts around the city centre.

I hope very much that these areas can be redeveloped in a manner that is environmentally responsible, i.e. making proper use of scarce and valuable land resources by using higher density housing. I would like to see these homes replaced with adequately sized and good quality mid rise housing (for the families who live there now and others) with active frontages (shops, etc) on the ground floor of these blocks. The city centre would thereby be expanded and made into a more vibrant and accessible place. Rather than a city centre that is trying to revive itself but which is being strangled by this badly planned and inappropriate housing estates.

It is a testament to the idiots who were running the city at the time that they were building these little things all around the city's core. Doing the opposite of what cities everywhere else in the world were doing, and whilst they left St George's Hall to rot and ruin.

This is what I'd like to see happen (in my dreams)
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/Waterfront36/bridgesoverriverspln2.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/Waterfront36/liverpoolestuary5oo.jpg Or from http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/Waterfront36/upperparlybridge.jpgOr across the river from Upper Parliament sthttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/Waterfront36/bridge2.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/Waterfront36/parlybridge.jpg

^^ Fair play.

How about improving the life of the PEOPLE of Merseyside.
5. Bomb to obliteration the whole of Birkenhead North and start all over again! Or better still turn it into a nature reserve.

"nature reserve":lol:

Laughin.

Who's the MP for Birkenhead North? Surely they'll have have to run with this plan aye?

there are plans afoot *g*! I think I posted a while back that large sections of land had houses demolished ready for the 30 year building proposals, one of which is peels shopping complex nr bidston.
New houses have sprung up around st James Church area, and a large strip of land from Birkenhead North station all the way down the dock road, has been allocaited for affordable housing
kat:)

i do love the idea of a bridge ( ignoring the problems and negatives of it and the city etc. etc.)

but regardless any structure would go anywhere here.:evil:

*especially here

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/ALIVER1-1.jpg

Hang on,You cant put it there,I Live there.

I'm really Sorry if this surprises one or two on here but the people from the St Josephs/ex Gerard Gardens community actually like living here and some of us have lived here all our lives and dont take too kindly to others deciding they would rather have a bridge or anything else for that matter put where we live.

I took this photo from the top of the JMU tower block that is on Byrom St opposite the bottom of Leeds St,This photo was taken looking across Islington toward Camden St and Fraser St with London Rd just further on..
The Housing estate to the right was once Gerard Gardens and Gerard Crescent and was known as Little Italy before Gerard Gardens were built,This was because a lot of the Italian's who during the late 1800's and early 1900's who docked at Liverpool on their way to America stayed in this area and their family's still live here to this day,Many Italian descent world class Boxers came from this area and 1 (Dom Volante) actually topped the bill at Maddison square garden..
Dom Lived on Gerard St..My Mam was born on Gerard St and later Gerard Gardens and our Family have lived here all our Lives.
Gerard St was in the area of the 2 houses top right in the picture..
This was also the Area of the Arched entrance to Gerard Gardens in the 2nd picture.

Yes,we are a very happy little Scottie Rd communtity here and immensly proud of our heritage so if your looking for somewhere to build yer bridge..look elsewhere eh..


The 2nd picture shows the cover of Harry Ainscough's book showing the Entrance to Gerard Gardens..My Wife who was also from Gerard Gardens is on this photo and all the Ragarse's are my mates I still bevvie with..

And we quite like our little "Cul de sacs" by the way..


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/ANY%20PHOTOS/GERARDGARDENSHOLYCROSSSLIDES-138.jpg


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/ANY%20PHOTOS/L1060263-1.jpg

still doesnt mean i should like the things.

still doesnt mean i should like the things.


Lets knock them down then eh and put a bridge there..
You know..just cause you dont like them..

Fuckin ell...yer from fuckin Bristol and your havin a Pop at where I live..Cheeky cunt.

yep im from bristol, as to what it has to do with ''having a pop'' at low density rubbish is completely irrelevant.

:|

well, all the scousers moving down here would disagree ;)

edit: quite a few liverpudlians amongst others, have moved down here, so i doubt they find Bristol as mch as a hole as you seem to be implying.

:|

well, all the scousers moving down here would disagree ;)


Disagree with what ?

Lets knock them down then eh and put a bridge there..
You know..just cause you dont like them..

Fuckin ell...yer from fuckin Bristol and your havin a Pop at where I live..Cheeky cunt.

Ged. I'd pay good money to see him attend the public consultation meetings and tell the residents of communities like St Joey's, Gerard Gardens, Eldonian and Athol Villages that their houses are shit and he's pulling them down to build a bridge to New Brighton. :nuts: :lol:

^^i never said a bridge specifically, just one of the many things that could be-, but you choose to overlook that i see :|

well this is a thread about Megastructures, heaven forbid, of which is just in theory and nothing too serious per se, but it seems to have hit a raw nerve with you.

You haven't hit a nerve with me. I have no links to any of the communities mentioned but I know they are close knit communities who have worked hard to establish cooperatives. If you told them you were demolishing their houses cos they're shit to build the Taj Mahal, a new stadium for LFC / EFC, a bridge or whatever, they'd rip your head off.

Ged. I'd pay good money to see him attend the public consultation meetings and tell the residents of communities like St Joey's, Gerard Gardens, Eldonian and Athol Villages that their houses are shit and he's pulling them down to build a bridge to New Brighton. :nuts: :lol:


Ha ha..nice one Joe:)


I'd also like to see a few more from on here get up and talk the crap that they are coming out with on here at a Public meeting.
This type of meeting would of course have to be held at Anfield or Goodison as it would be full to the Brim with Scottie Roaders and people from the area.

I reckon Joe these people would then see the meaning of the term "Community Spirit"..
There will be no Bridge Built anywhere near Scottie Road..That I am pretty certain of.

^^i never said a bridge specifically, just one of the many things that could be-, but you choose to overlook that i see :|

well this is a thread about Megastructures, heaven forbid, of which is just in theory and nothing too serious per se, but it seems to have hit a raw nerve with you.

You Helium or anybody else on here with all the Laughable shite you are coming out with have not hit a nerve with me..You are entitled to your views..and that is not a problem with me..OK Boss.

You Helium or anybody else on here with all the Laughable shite you are coming out with have not hit a nerve with me..You are entitled to your views..and that is not a problem with me..OK Boss.


Maybe he thinks he's hit a nerve cos he thinks Gerard Gardens was named after you and St Joseph's was named after me.:nuts: :lol:

so i'm taking it you wouldnt like to see any change in the area, physically? :dunno:
you can keep the community, look at continental schemes where they redevelop areas but the original residents stay almost exactly where they were originally, but then this is Britain were talking about here :|

The only Megastructure that will be built in the next 10 years will be the Mersey Bridge down at Runcorn, and the Panamax development on Northshore. We might also see some type of tidal wave structure built in the river. And lets not forget Peel may start building a few megastructures starting in Princes half tide dock.:banana:

As for bridges across the Mersey/ Dee, no chance. So the citizens of Scottie Road can sleep easy in their beds ( unlike poor Mr. Poli :ohno: )

I realise this thread was just a bit of fun / wish list, and not to be taken seriously, so come on Guys ,no toys out the pram, please.:)

The only Megastructure that will be built in the next 10 years will be the Mersey Bridge down at Runcorn, and the Panamax development on Northshore. We might also see some type of tidal wave structure built in the river. And lets not forget Peel may start building a few megastructures starting in Princes half tide dock.:banana:

As for bridges across the Mersey/ Dee, no chance. So the citizens of Scottie Road can sleep easy in their beds ( unlike poor Mr. Poli :ohno: )

I realise this thread was just a bit of fun / wish list, and not to be taken seriously, so come on Guys ,no toys out the pram, please.:)

try telling them that :| :bash:

Helium tacitly agreeing with Yoshef that the houses in that area are "generic low density rubbish".

It doesn't sound like a fun thread to me.

generic low density rubbish

because they are ;) but then my situation ahs made me biased tbh :shifty:

I would agree they are low density and not right for a city centre, but they probably are quality houses. I would love Gerrard gardens to still be standing, due to it's scale, but obviously restored.

Helium tacitly agreeing with Yoshef that the houses in that area are "generic low density rubbish".

It doesn't sound like a fun thread to me.

I agree not very funny, low density yes, rubbish:ohno: you try telling the people who live in them that they are rubbish:bash:

generic low density rubbish

because they are ;) but then my situation ahs made me biased tbh :shifty:


Actually theyr'e not..but then MY situation where I Iive in one propably counts for nothing on here.

I mean..whats my opinion worth about these houses when put next to somebody's opinion from Bristol.

Actually theyr'e not..but then MY situation where I Iive in one propably counts for nothing on here.

I mean..whats my opinion worth about these houses when put next to somebody's opinion from Bristol.

exactly the same, this is a democracy after all (or so we're told)

either way, i can say i think i like you :yes: (thats not sarcasm or piss taking)

I remember that, it was a fantastic idea. Such a pity - something like that would be boss but on a larger scale, maybe even a version of the colossus of rhodes

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/images/KolossVonRhodosCastaigne.jpg

...maybe his knob could form part of the road-bridge.

Some cities have had their 'superstructures' for decades:


Sydney Harbour Bridge Climb Advert

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A spire and makeover for St John's Beacon.

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9782/liverpooltower3zp6.png

Actually theyr'e not..but then MY situation where I Iive in one propably counts for nothing on here.

I mean..whats my opinion worth about these houses when put next to somebody's opinion from Bristol.

m8 meant no offence with that "generic low density rubbish" comment. Looks like i opened a big can of worms! i didn't mean to imply flattening your house, or anybody elses - rubbish was perhaps an ill-informed choice of word! It was more of a throwaway "grand scheme of things" comment, no reflection on the build quality or layout of the estates themselves. The idea i was trying to get across was that area was too sparsely populated for an area 5 minutes walk from the city centre. My apologies.

yoshef -> :bash: <- ged

Other than the small matter of, ahem, finance, surely the Parliament Street-Borough Road bridge idea is feasible?
Well, the residents of the new towers being built down there might not be happy, but hey they'd be living next door to what would become the most famous bridge in England.

exactly the same, this is a democracy after all (or so we're told)

either way, i can say i think i like you :yes: (thats not sarcasm or piss taking)


I think Im getting a little fond of you as well Helium.. :wave: No probs matey...

m8 meant no offence with that "generic low density rubbish" comment. Looks like i opened a big can of worms! i didn't mean to imply flattening your house, or anybody elses - rubbish was perhaps an ill-informed choice of word! It was more of a throwaway "grand scheme of things" comment, no reflection on the build quality or layout of the estates themselves. The idea i was trying to get across was that area was too sparsely populated for an area 5 minutes walk from the city centre. My apologies.

yoshef -> :bash: <- ged


No offence was taken yoshef,You haven't opened a can of worms mate so dont worry about it.
Thanks for the apologie but it really wasnt needed Lad as you are entitled to your opinion....Cheers...:cheers:

I think it would detract from the architecture, remember we do have something iconic, the liver buildings. Perhaps the Liverbirds on a large column?
or something to do with shanghi? dont forget were twinned with shanghi and not USA! The Liverbirds or bird is already Iconic.
kat:)
perhaps a cluster of birds going up a column with the liverbird on the top?
just trying to keep with what we already have and what were already twinned with.:nuts:

*lol* oh noo, postings have gone mad or is it the phantom??
kat

One thing that would create huge 'wow' factor would be a Statue of Liberty type of attraction in the middle of the river / bay if possible.

I've posted this before, but no harm in posting it again on this thread.

My megastructure would be a bridge accross the Mersey from Liverpool to Birkenhead. I like the ambition shown by the French when they built The Millau Bridge.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4091813.stm


Top Gear drive over the tallest bridge in the world
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The Millau Bridge.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6813/millaubridgesn3.jpg

One thing that would create huge 'wow' factor would be a Statue of Liberty type of attraction in the middle of the river / bay if possible.
Tom Murphy's your man (http://www.liverpoolsculptures.com/website/neptune2007.htm)http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

Sadly knocked on the head by Wirral BC...
"Like the Statue of Liberty, it would have internal access and an exhibition space. The proposed statue does appear to have more chance than normal of being truly iconic especially if it could be positioned as a twin to the Statue of Liberty. The interior could be used, for example, to tell the story of, and record the names of, people who emigrated to the New World through Liverpool."

I think Im getting a little fond of you as well Helium.. :wave: No probs matey...

:wave: although i have to say with regards to Liverpool im not fond of them i just found them so weird :shifty: i wasnt expecting them the first time round!, so apoligies if you see me somewhere saying how i dont like ''them'' (be they in Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds or even Bristol) the people who live in them have nothing to do with it though, its all just physical, my problems are like yoshef what said really low density so close to the city centre, its just some urban fantasy/dream thing i have that Liverpool has dense (but nice) inner city areas again :shifty:

its just a weird complex i have :shifty:

just be thankful that you don't live in on of those red brick council estates, i hate them even more... :crazy:
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It seems a Bridge is the most common one people have chosen...

thats all i can think of for the time being :(

i guess there should be a campain to get people to move to the wirral :devil:

Tom Murphy's your man (http://www.liverpoolsculptures.com/website/neptune2007.htm)http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

Sadly knocked on the head by Wirral BC...
"Like the Statue of Liberty, it would have internal access and an exhibition space. The proposed statue does appear to have more chance than normal of being truly iconic especially if it could be positioned as a twin to the Statue of Liberty. The interior could be used, for example, to tell the story of, and record the names of, people who emigrated to the New World through Liverpool."

I remember that, it was a fantastic idea. Such a pity - something like that would be boss but on a larger scale, maybe even a version of the colossus of rhodes

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/images/KolossVonRhodosCastaigne.jpg

sorry for butchering what is a fantastic picture!

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/skyine3.jpg

its abit... sexual/come into my parlour esqueish tbh :shifty:

...maybe his knob could form part of the road-bridge.

woah dude - you just .. like.. went backwards in time.. to post that ! :lol:

^^
Like your style...:)

I still think my Lee Butler idea is better.

It's happened again. My post gets put into the previous page of the thread. My modified photo with St John's Beacon should directly precede this post. Anyone else having these problems?

yup, its happening all over the forum, happened to me several time :crazy:

*lol* oh noo, postings have gone mad or is it the phantom??
kat

maybe even a version of the colossus of rhodes

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/images/KolossVonRhodosCastaigne.jpg


It's hard to believe that the Colossus of Rhodes was actually built between 292-280 BC, and was one of the seven wonders of the ancient world.

I think Talos from Jason and the Argonauts might be better though - he could stand with one foot in New Brighton and the other foot in Waterloo (narrowly missing the Gormley statues) and destroy any shipping not using the Port of Liverpool.

Please note that this is a light-hearted response, and I don't want a row with anyone over how this would effect the view from their bungalow...;)


Jason and the Argonauts - Talos

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It's hard to believe that the Colossus of Rhodes was actually built between 292-280 BC, and was one of the seven wonders of the ancient world.

I think Talos from Jason and the Argonauts might be better though - he could stand with one foot in New Brighton and the other foot in Waterloo (narrowly missing the Gormley statues) and destroy any shipping not using the Port of Liverpool.

Please note that this is a light-hearted response, and I don't want a row with anyone over how this would effect the view from their bungalow...;)


new brighton to waterloo? i suspect he'd be doing the splits so much so that ships masts might erm tickle his fancy :)

Tom Murphy's your man (http://www.liverpoolsculptures.com/website/neptune2007.htm)http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

Sadly knocked on the head by Wirral BC...
"Like the Statue of Liberty, it would have internal access and an exhibition space. The proposed statue does appear to have more chance than normal of being truly iconic especially if it could be positioned as a twin to the Statue of Liberty. The interior could be used, for example, to tell the story of, and record the names of, people who emigrated to the New World through Liverpool."

Great idea for Poseiden / Neptune.

Colossus of Rhodes style would be even better.

It would show ambition and confidence and cost not a great deal more than the cruise liner berth ................. BUT ............ if situated in the rivermouth, it would creat a real iconic 'must see' attraction ........... that would entail ferries ............. and tourists parting with CASH.

It may add attract 1000 people a day in summer at £10 per head for say 100 days per year ........

That's £1m to the economy in bookings alone. It would be unique in Europe (I think??) and may open the way for cruise + meal type excursions NYC style.

There. Sorted.

new brighton to waterloo? i suspect he'd be doing the splits so much so that ships masts might erm tickle his fancy :)

Arf!

... 4. A Liverpool Bay barrage, with just one set of enormous sea gates, to make the entire port accessible to the biggest ships. The barrage could generate all the electricity required for the city region, and the top of it could be a road / rail link, linking Crosby or Formby to Talacre or further west. ...
More politically popular would be a Bootle to New Brighton Barrage, located upriver of Seaforth docks but downriver of the Langton Dock River entrance (which would then be inside the barrage). It could be designed with huge gates that could be opened wide so that big ships could sail in without stopping - but the gates would only be open at slack water. At all other times locks or the dock entrances could be used while the hydroelectric is operating.

That location would be hugely popular with Merseysiders if secondary uses of the structure were mostly for leisure/pleasure/tourism rather than as a primary river crossing. Such a design could provide for River salinity control to please wild life folks, ferry berths in the right place and it protects the City from possible future storm surges. Most of all it would make the River safer while allowing large liners and tankers through (but only "on the tide") and would not interfere with the new development at Seaforth.

Peel really should consider political popularity when weighing alternatives as they move towards a barrage proposal.

Calming the waters around the South Docks and Pier Head and providing major pleasure facilities at the traditional site of New Brighton and providing tourism features at the traditional site of Langton Dock will sit well with Merseysiders - as compared with, say, a Dingle sited alternative.

Peel will need all the popularity it can get when the Nimbys, Ecologists and Manchester Ship Canal interests start creating obstacles. By using a newly created River crossing only for tourism purposes (ie not open 24/7) it can be of iconic design accommodating both tall ships and supertankers. They can have something fancy, such as a high overhead railway or telepherique for crossing the docks too, again attractive for causal pleasure users.

Commercial exploitation of such a barrage would be a lot more profitable than providing just another highway river crossing and it would generate much more electric power than an upriver barrage. Nice growth business for the Liverpool Pilotage service too. A great career path for your kids. :0)

A Massive Motorway and Railway System Combined Super Massive Thing which Goes all around the City including right into the city Centre.

Stretching from a Massive Bridge over the Mersey, as far up as Litherland and as far south as Halewood

Dated October 2007 the proposal(s) for a Mersey Barrage are spelled out in some detail in a document called "Research Report 5 - UK case studies An evidence-based report by AEA Energy & Environment for the Sustainable Development Commission" which may be found at:
http://www.sd-commission.org.uk/publications/downloads/TidalPowerUK5-UK_case_studies.pdf

They invite comments and feedback (be nice) at:
http://www.sd-commission.org.uk/forum_public/index.php?f=13

Interestingly, as well as a Mersey Barrage, a North Wales tidal lagoon is proposed. This is essentially a huge oval hydro-electric sea wall with Irish Sea on all sides (ie sited offshore like the wind farms, rather than at an estuary).

I guess the 2010 Peel Ports proposal will only be for a Mersey Barrage (not a lagoon) and now is the time to give them input.