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MetroGuardian
October 7th, 2007, 12:03 PM
Οι νομοί της χώρας συγχωνεύονται σε 16 από 52

http://photo.kathimerini.gr/kathnews/photos/A/ELE/2252/A_a1330240_13400.jpg

Μπορείτε να δείτε το νέο χάρτη της τοπικής αυτοδιοίκησης με τις υπερπρωτεύουσες εδώ:

http://photo.kathimerini.gr/kathnews/graph/graf_07-10-07/s10_1.pdf


Επιπλέον 6 Υπερπεριφέρειες και οι δήμοι από 1000 γίνονται 400.

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Για τις 6 περιφέρειες συμφωνώ. Για τους δήμους όμως δεν βλέπω το λόγο να γίνει επιπλέον συγχώνευση όταν ήδη, πολλοί δήμοι απλώνονται σε τεράστιες περιοχές με απομακρυσμένα πληθυσμιακά κέντρα.

Επιπλέον οι 16 νομαρχίες φαίνονται πολύ λίγες. Μάλλον για κατάργηση πάει ο θεσμός. Ορισμένες έχουν μέγεθος περιφέρειας.

Εσείς πώς θα θέλατε το διαχωρισμό σε νομαρχίες?
Εγώ προτείνω κάτι τέτοιο:
(σημειώνω τους κατοίκους)


ΚΡΗΤΗ:
-Δυτικής Κρήτης (Χανιά - Ρέθυμνο): 232.000
-Ανατολικής Κρήτης (Ηράκλειο - Λασίθι): 369.000

ΑΙΓΑΙΟ:
-Νότιο Αιγαίο (Κυκλάδες - Δωδεκάνησα): 303.000
-Β. Αιγαίο (Σάμος, Χίος, Λέσβος): 206.000

ΠΕΛΟΠΟΝΝΗΣΟΣ:
-Νότια Πελοπόννησος (Μεσσηνία - Αρκαδία - Λακωνία): 378.000
-Δυτική Πελοπόννησος (Αχαϊα - Ηλεία): 516.000
-Ανατολική Πελοπόννησος (Κορινθία - Αργολίδα): 260.000

ΑΤΤΙΚΗ: 3.760.000

ΣΤΕΡΕΑ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ
-Δ. Στερεά (Αιτωλοακ - Φωκίδα - Ευρυτανία): 305.000
-Κ. Στερεά (Φθιώτιδα, Βοιωτία, Εύβοια): 525.000

ΙΟΝΙΟ: 213.000

ΗΠΕΙΡΟΣ: 354.000

ΘΕΣΣΑΛΙΑ
-Δ. Θεσσαλία (Καρδίτσα - Τρίκαλα): 268.000
-Α. Θεσσαλία (Λάρισα - Μαγνησία): 486.000

ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ
-Δ.Μακεδονία (Κοζάνη - Φλώρινα - Γρεβενά - Καστοριά): 302.000
-Κ.Μακεδονία (Πιερία - Ημαθία - Πέλλα): 420.000
-Θεσσαλονίκη (Κιλκίς- Θεσσαλονίκη -Χαλκιδική): 1.250.000
-Υπερνομαρχία Σέρρες - Δράμα: 305.000
-Υπερνομαρχία Καβάλα - Ξάνθη: 248.000
-Υπερνομαρχία Ροδόπης - Έβρου: 261.000

sk
October 8th, 2007, 02:15 PM
gia na po tin alithia ,oles autes tis dioikitikes ypodiaireseis den tis katalavaino.
nai ,fisika tha yparhoun nomarhies, eite 16 eite 25 .
poios o logos omos yparxis ypernomarxion?se ti exipiretoun?
kai giati na yparhoun etsi megaloi dhmoi pou i mia katoikimeniperiohi mporei na einai xiliometra makria apo tin allh?gia kaliteri anaptixi lene......lipame alla anaptixi se kathe apomakrismeno horio den mporei na yparxei,se kamia hora den mporei na ginei auto.
ego protimo kapoia megala horia/dhmoi na sinehisoun na yparhoun kai na dimiourgithoun koinotikes arhes gia exsipiretisi ton politon se poio apomakrismena horia.
tha ehoun,autes oi koinotikes arhes poli mikrotero proipologismo kai tha exsipiretoun kai tous polites.

NickyF
October 11th, 2007, 01:57 AM
I don't think Kapodistrias II goes far enough.....

Why continue to keep Nomarhieas ? ....It just provides more excuses for incompetent Municipal Mayors to do nothing for 4 years and then blame the nomarhia for not giving them the go ahead on projects.

I would abolish all nomarhies and transfer their functions to the new consolidated Municipal Councils.

Athens should have no more than 4 municipal Councils, and the Municiapalities of Pireaus and Athens should be merged for strategic reasons.

All future funding to these new Councils should be tied to performance, if they don't perform they lose out on funding ...just like it happens in England and Australia.

Furthermore, if a Council is shown to be totally incompetant, the Central Government should be able to step in and sack the mayor and councillors and appoint administrators.

Greece needs to stop stuffing around with this issue and take the necessary action that is required.....otherwise local government will continue to be seen as nothing more than a gross waste of tax payers money and cesspool of corruption and incompetance...

MetroGuardian
October 11th, 2007, 09:59 PM
^Nice ideas, but I don't think we are ready to face them in Greece.

Councils tied to performance?

tied to performance??

tied to performance????

THIS IS

BLASPHEMY

Ares_K
October 12th, 2007, 05:30 PM
As long as candidates for local elections are picked mostly by political parties, any reform would be fruitless. If a mayor fails, the political party that picked and backed him will consider that as its own failure and try to avoid the political cost by protecting him/her. And use them for doing favours to their supporters.

The funny thing is that, political parties pick them and support them through the elections and then blame them for not doing their job!

Parties need to reform first. That is where the source of the problem lies.

MetroGuardian
October 12th, 2007, 10:59 PM
To stick to the subject, what do you think about the strictly hierarchical organization of the country?

We currently have:
Cities < *Counties < Prefectures < Regions < State
*those are not doing anything useful as far as I know.

Are those levels tοo many, tοo little? Does it matter anyway?


And to get to the point that hurts. Would you accept that a city or a region has its own tax code, which collects money on its own and gives to the "federal government" a portion, or should all Greeks be under the same tax-obligations, no matter the place?

I guess, if you live in a place with few taxes, public services will be awful or non-existent. While in a place with higher taxes maybe things are better in this matter (except if corruption gets in) but you lose a lot of money. You can choose however. (I suppose some lower and upper bounds would be imposed by the state no matter what).

Ares_K
October 13th, 2007, 02:20 AM
Something you notice in US is the number of different police cars. The Sherif's car parked next to the State police car next to the highway patrol one and two others i can not remember. In my opinion that is a total waste of money and resources.
This has nothing to do with law enforcment agencies, i use this as an example to say that we can not afford something like that in Greece. Already the way things are, money and resources are wasted through various layers of local authorities with overlapping jurisdictions. More than one local authorities deal with different parts of the same issue and as a result, nothing or very little is done, while a lot of money are wasted in the process.
It is not so much a matter of how many layers of local authorities we have, as the problematic legislation that gives parts of the same jurisdiction to more than one authorities plus a non existant supervision upon them.
That been said, i do not think we need more than two layers of local authorities with distinct, non overlapping duties and some kind of strict supervision which will add the element of accountability

P.S. Not to mention that accountability is easier to enforce when you have only one, not ten to blame!