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Mo Rush
October 9th, 2007, 11:54 PM
Culemborg vital to city development



By Erik Schaug

Now that the experts have come up with an acceptable plan for the extension to the container terminal at the North Eastern Breakwater, it might be an appropriate time to have another look at the development of Culemborg.

When the council was investigating various site options for the 2010 World Cup stadium, they were of the view that Culemborg would be the most appropriate. It seemed better located than any other site.

But what counted against Culemborg was the short amount of time available to get through all the necessary procedures before building could start. Nevertheless, the city council made a last-ditch effort to discuss the matter with Transnet, the owners of Culemborg. Perhaps, with good will on both sides and a healthy amount of midnight oil being burnt, it could still be done.

It was not to be. A meeting was held with Propnet on August 15, 2006, and the reasons why Propnet considered Culemborg non-viable for the stadium included the possible need for it as a storage area for containers. The recent environmental impact study done on the proposal to extend the area of the North Eastern Breakwater container terminal concluded that it would have a negative effect on the immediate environment; it would alter the movement of sand to the disadvantage of the properties on Woodbridge Island.

Notes taken at the meeting stated "As a result of the non-approval of the EIA (Environmental Impact Assessment) for the widening, required to extend current stacking areas for containers, of the North Eastern Breakwater of the container terminal Portnet is currently undertaking a study as to possible alternative sites for container storage purposes. The Culemborg site, being Transnet owned, is being reserved as a fall back position for container storage, and the site will accordingly not be released for any long term development purposes until such time as the study is completed, which is provisionally estimated to be by July 2007."

Careful reading reveals the use of the words "stacking" and "storage" to describe what needs to be done with containers. It could have been inadvertent, but the impression is conveyed that because there might not be enough space at the container terminal itself for containers, Culemborg would have to be used for that purpose.

But there is a very big difference in what is meant by the "stacking" and "storage" of containers.

The days when ships tied up at the harbour for several days while cargo was laboriously loaded and unloaded with large nets suspended from cranes are gone - at least as far as container ships are concerned.

Nowadays container ships don't stay in port for days, but for hours. One of the huge advantages of containers is that they speed up the loading and unloading of ships.

When ships are loaded the cargo has to be carefully placed in the ship's hold. Heavy items need to go to the lowest part of the ship, and the load generally needs to be distributed so that the ship doesn't list to one side, or float with its bow too high or too low.

What "stacking" means, as opposed to "storing", is placing the containers at the wharfside in such a way that they can be loaded very quickly into the ship in the correct order and into the correct position.

This takes a lot of logistical skill. Once the port operators know when a particular ship is going to arrive, and what it's going to load and unload, they work out how this can be done most efficiently.

Other considerations, apart from the stability of the ship, include the unloading sequence at the ports of destination. Containers need to be unloaded at each port as efficiently as possible, always bearing in mind the stability of the ship when it leaves for the next port.

Once all these complex calculations are worked out, the containers are brought from where they are stored, and stacked in the correct sequence at the container terminal, right next to where the ship will dock. About three days are allowed for this procedure.

It is therefore clear that the storage area doesn't need to be in very close proximity to the stacking area - my contact at Safmarine said that a 20-minute drive is more than enough.

So the need for Culemborg to be turned into a giant Containers 'R Us is considerably less than one might conclude after reading the extract from the notes taken at the meeting. The prospect of one of the main parts of central Cape Town being taken up with lots of shipping containers piled (not stacked) high is not a pleasant one. Containers are 2.43 metres high, and six of them can be placed on top of each other, so Culemborg could be covered with containers to a height of over 14 metres - that's nearly the height of a five-storey building.

The good news is that the issue of not enough stacking space at the container terminal is going to be solved by going upwards, rather that sideways, eliminating the environmental problems that scuppered the earlier scheme.

There are existing leases in the Culemborg area, which will have to be honoured, but the way now seems clear for the council to engage with Transnet once again, to explore the prospect of the development of Culemborg. The 2010 stadium is no longer an issue, so the time constraints need not be a dealbreaker.

It was stated in the meeting notes that the council would have to purchase the land from the owners at market rates. How would the market rates be established? It could be argued that the owners have, de facto, "zoned" the site for the storage of containers, so the council could reasonably offer an equivalent amount of land suitable for storing containers within 20-minutes' drive of the container terminal as a direct swop.

Culemborg has the potential to become a vital part of the development of Cape Town. Studies have already been done, and they could be dusted off for consideration.

Without the need to build the stadium at Culemborg, planners and urban designers can work with more flexibility and more options. It is generally accepted that a mixed-use development would be a much better option than most, if not all other options, and here would be a prime opportunity to put this in into practice.

With its excellent connections to both the road and rail systems, Culemborg is very well situated for advantageous development. A mixture of commercial, retail, residential, cultural and institutional buildings - and many others - could turn a barren wasteland into something infinitely more agreeable than a container storage depot.

Also, there would be a great opportunity to explore and perhaps implement the idea of mixed housing; mixed in the sense of incorporating low-cost housing in a development which includes luxury dwellings.

There are arguments for and against this which must be carefully considered, but when Paris was rebuilt in the 19th century, it included many buildings which housed persons ranging from wealthy dukes to impoverished seamstresses. The poor lived at the top, in garrets (this was before lifts were invented) and the wealthy residents occupied the spaces nearer to ground floor.

These Parisian examples had the advantage that all the residents of a building, from wealthy to impoverished, shared a common language and culture. Mixing South Africans who come from different economic backgrounds, and who speak different languages with different cultures, is a much taller order. But such initiative could be thoroughly explored with a proper public consultation process, to gauge whether it might work. It could be designed in such a way that, if the worst happens and things went depressingly wrong, simple changes could be made to reconfigure the development to suit whatever reality emerged.

Culemborg has in its favour that its location in the heart of Cape Town with splendid views would appeal to the wealthy, and would be convenient for the poor, who would have the best possible access to work.

If Transnet were to agree to a direct swop for a similar-sized piece of ground further afield, the capital cost to the council for Culemborg would be so low that the provision of low-cost houses could be easily subsidised from the huge value of everything else that could be built.

# Schaug is a chartered architect and urban designer.

Published on the web by Cape Times on October 8, 2007. © Cape Times 2007. All rights reserved.

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dysan1
October 10th, 2007, 10:03 AM
this is more suited for the general discussion area.

dysan1
October 12th, 2007, 01:36 PM
its def going to go the way of greater shipping related activities

Mo Rush
October 15th, 2007, 08:04 PM
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Joop20
October 20th, 2007, 10:57 AM
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Whats that large empty space at the top left of this pic? Seems like some large empty field between Keizersgracht and de Waal if I read my map correctly. Was it also considered as a site for the new stadium?

Mo Rush
October 20th, 2007, 01:17 PM
Whats that large empty space at the top left of this pic? Seems like some large empty field between Keizersgracht and de Waal if I read my map correctly. Was it also considered as a site for the new stadium?

Thats District Six. Def not considered for a stadium. People were forcibly removed from that area during apartheid, bulldozed out of their homes and into the outskirts of the metro area.

Joop20
October 20th, 2007, 04:05 PM
Thats District Six. Def not considered for a stadium. People were forcibly removed from that area during apartheid, bulldozed out of their homes and into the outskirts of the metro area.

Interesting. I just did some quick reading on district six: are they building homes to accomodate the former residents of districts six now in that area? Or are there other development plans? Such a large site so close to the city centre is screaming for some development!

Lydon
October 20th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Interesting. I just did some quick reading on district six: are they building homes to accomodate the former residents of districts six now in that area? Or are there other development plans? Such a large site so close to the city centre is screaming for some development!

Lol not going to happen on a heritage site as far as I know.

Joop20
October 20th, 2007, 08:47 PM
Lol not going to happen on a heritage site as far as I know.

Actually this is what wikipedia tells us about district six:

'By 2003 work had started on the first new buildings — 24 houses that will belong to residents over 80 years old. On 11 February 2004, exactly 38 years after being rezoned by the government, former president Nelson Mandela handed the keys to the first returning residents, Ebrahim Murat (87) and Dan Ndzabela (82). About 4 000 families are scheduled to return over the next three years.' (etc)

There has been some bickering between the Trust and the local government, which has delayed the whole thing, which lead me to my question whether you guys know whats gonna happer at district six in the near future.

Lydon
October 22nd, 2007, 04:17 PM
People had something to say when a development was planned on a site that was part of district six, so I don't think they'll be too pleased with anything over the top. Anything can happen though :)

Mo Rush
November 13th, 2007, 04:25 PM
The Culemborg snub
Who is behind it?

I remember that it started before 1994, Cape Town at the time was deciding between an Olympic Bid for the 2000 or 2004 and hosting the Millenium Expo in 2000. Culemborg was selected as the site for the expo but Cape Town instead as we all know chose to bid for the 2004 Olympic Games. Culemborg was the venue for the 15,000 room media village, and massive Transnet Exhibition Centre which was to be built above the rail tracks on some elevated platform and would seat about 25,000 in two giant exhibition halls.

Cape Town lost to Athens and the plans were set aside. A French developer interested in developing hotels and a casino at the site passed away and so did his plans for the site.

Culemborg was snubbed yet again, when the site for the Casino Complex, which is now Grand West, was awarded to Grand Parade Investments and the site chosen was the Old Goodwood Showgrounds.

Three proposals from different consortiums were made for a film studio and complex. Culemborg was one of the three shortlisted sites, but Anant Singh's dreamworld team were winners and chose the Faure site.

And of course finally, the city considered various alternatives for the World Cup Stadium and Culemborg was snubbed yet again for the Green Point option. Alex Irwin would not release the site to the city due to Transnets plans for expansion.


Culemborg has been through its fair share of failures and its time we correct that.

Mo Rush
February 15th, 2009, 10:50 PM
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A: CULEMBORG BOULEVARD (UNDER CONSTRUCTION)

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The first phase of the route is currently under construction to accommodate the Atlantis-CBD BRT route.

B: GREEN LINK

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C: CENTRAL PUBLIC SPACE

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D: URBAN GRID

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D: ACTIVITY LINK

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ilan
July 8th, 2009, 10:29 PM
I just took another look at this old post ... I can only hope that some time in the future they decide to go ahead with this.

Mo Rush
July 9th, 2009, 08:43 AM
The IRT system runs through Culemborg as per the diagrams below

ilan
July 9th, 2009, 10:07 PM
^^ yes, I saw that and it is a start. I thought it was great that they are using the old coastline ... I remember my parents always going on about the old beaches around woodstock and the buildings they demolished in general. It would be wonderful to see that space reclaimed for the city. Oh and the B section would be outstanding. I would love to be able to walk along that planned route if it does go ahead.

Mo Rush
July 15th, 2009, 09:32 AM
News soon. Possibly an update about the site.

ilan
July 15th, 2009, 01:18 PM
Oh you are such a tease, you are.

Mo Rush
July 15th, 2009, 01:38 PM
No big news. Just trying to find some confirmation.

Mo Rush
July 16th, 2009, 08:26 AM
Ah. Seems like its not Culemborg but the land adjacent to Culemborg on the Foreshore, where the current car showrooms are. The land will undergo rezoning for a mixed use precinct which includes the possibility of 6-8 storey buildings with a few landmark 80-150m towers.

The project is being headed by Edge Properties.

I assume that ABSA are also on board since they purchased the majority stake in Culemborg Properties which owns the site.

Some details of the ABSA and Edge Properties Merger.
http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZACT/2009/10.html

SA BOY
July 16th, 2009, 11:28 AM
Mo whats in the massive sheds close to town?
The land between the front freeway and the railway yards at the back is massive and so ripe for a corridor expansion of the CBD, Linned with Mid to hig h rise Resi to create a complete new urbanism benchmark development

Mo Rush
July 16th, 2009, 12:53 PM
Its some massive timber/goods yard. Problem is Transnet. Until they choose to release the land nothing will happen

ilan
July 16th, 2009, 01:11 PM
Timber you say? I think we found a braai (bbq) place for a forum get together. We will have lots of meat - no pork please and enough booze to float the Titanic again.

Mo Rush
July 16th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Timber you say? I think we found a braai (bbq) place for a forum get together. We will have lots of meat - no pork please and enough booze to float the Titanic again.
are you jewish or muslim?

ilan
July 16th, 2009, 02:38 PM
we drink alcohol, but eat no shell fish either, so that would make me?

SA BOY
July 16th, 2009, 03:29 PM
eeeish thats a tough one, Id say you are missing out!!!!!!

EduardSA
July 16th, 2009, 03:50 PM
^^ Jewish hey. Also judging by ur name. Ilan is a hebrew name.

Andrew_za
July 16th, 2009, 04:04 PM
no prawns, no crayfish?

ilan
July 16th, 2009, 04:24 PM
if it comes from the sea and it has no scales ... we arent suppose to eat it. So no prawns.

ilan
July 16th, 2009, 04:24 PM
^^ Jewish hey. Also judging by ur name. Ilan is a hebrew name.

yes

Mo Rush
July 16th, 2009, 05:01 PM
same applies to Christians re shellfish. its from the old testament I think

Lydon
July 16th, 2009, 06:55 PM
^^ It depends what denomination you're a part of.

Generally, many Christians live according to the New Covenant, which nullifies past laws such as not being able to eat pork, shave, cut the hair one the sides of one's head etc.

SA BOY
July 17th, 2009, 10:27 AM
eeeish im from the law of eat what I like when I like cos if god dident want me to eat bacon he wouldent have put piggy wiggy on the planet.

Mo Rush
July 17th, 2009, 10:42 AM
eeeish im from the law of eat what I like when I like cos if god dident want me to eat bacon he wouldent have put piggy wiggy on the planet.

piggy wiggy haha

Andrew_za
July 17th, 2009, 05:36 PM
same applies to Christians re shellfish. its from the old testament I think
No no no, that changed in the NEW Testament- Thankfully
People put their own "spin" on religion, especially when it comes to Christianity. Some start believing its OK to be christian and gay, which is wrong. (no offense to those who swing the other way)

Mo Rush
July 17th, 2009, 05:54 PM
No no no, that changed in the NEW Testament- Thankfully
People put their own "spin" on religion, especially when it comes to Christianity. Some start believing its OK to be christian and gay, which is wrong. (no offense to those who swing the other way)

No offense taken but many people also believed having a black or non-white skin was wrong, even if it was something you were born with. Some even used the bible to justify this. So like being gay/straight i.e. something you don't wake up in Spring and choose, being Christian and gay is no different to other features people are born with.

Wippee person X is gay..somebody else has red hair...somebody else is tall.

Lydon
July 17th, 2009, 05:57 PM
No no no, that changed in the NEW Testament- Thankfully
People put their own "spin" on religion, especially when it comes to Christianity. Some start believing its OK to be christian and gay, which is wrong. (no offense to those who swing the other way)

Ironic, then, that the verse stating homosexuality is wrong is right next to the verse that states men aren't allowed to shave :lol:

ilan
July 17th, 2009, 06:21 PM
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... and if you a religious sort of person ... then you will also know that "angels" are Hermaphrodites and besides ... if a person believes that we are made in gods image ... well, then who are we to question this? Besides, religion as we all know it, is one corrupt, manipulated and politically motivated system that has always been just that. I find it crazy that people can believe in what must be the oldest and longest marketing ploy in human history - besides if there is a god, then I'm not sure I want to be any part of it ... I think religion is the true evil in this world. All of them. So back to Culemborg then shall we?

Andrew_za
July 17th, 2009, 09:02 PM
IF I die and eg I become a cloud, and the truth is relieved to me that religion was a load of pure BS, which I felt for, and I'm given the opportunity to live my life again and make changes; Changing my religion is something I would not do, as It's works for me; Should I find that it was true, then It was a life well lived.
But yes, Back to the Future of Culemborg....

Lydon
July 17th, 2009, 11:34 PM
IF I die and eg I become a could

Is that some sort of fish?

Andrew_za
July 18th, 2009, 01:59 AM
Apologies for the typo

bloatedstomach
July 19th, 2009, 12:51 AM
... and if you a religious sort of person ... then you will also know that "angels" are Hermaphrodites and besides ...

Source this fascinating novel piece of information? And hermaphrodites have nothing to do with homosexuals. Hermaphroditism is a congenital physical abnormality. Lets bring dwarfism and Down's Syndrome into the conversation shall we?

Mo Rush
July 19th, 2009, 03:25 AM
should probably open a new thread but it would be so interesting to hear the views of people when they realize that homosexuality is not a choice or "lifestyle" choice. unless people get this, any debate is perhaps pointless.

Lydon
July 19th, 2009, 01:30 PM
This has turned more into a Greenpoint thread than a Culemborg thread :P

ilan
July 20th, 2009, 12:35 PM
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Source this fascinating novel piece of information? And hermaphrodites have nothing to do with homosexuals. Hermaphroditism is a congenital physical abnormality. Lets bring dwarfism and Down's Syndrome into the conversation shall we?

Google if you what to know more about Nephalim, angles and what ever other crazy rubbish religious idiots grasp onto. I'm here for development of cities - you believe the hogwash if you feel so passionate about it, but if the religious folk harp on the idea that we are all made in the image of god, well then yes dwarfs, downs ... and everything else is in his image ... religion as we know it is a twisted lie ... my reference to Hermaphrodites was to highlight that religion omits various uncomfortable things throughout history and readjusts the lie as time goes on to corrupt people into believing.

PS. I do know the difference between Hermaphrodites and Homosexuals. I do a lot of charity work for a "transgender" organization and Homosexuals and Lesbians are part of our lives (my wife, my familly and myself).

Here some info you might like to read by By Sally Gross ... a person born with both sexual organs:

Intersexuality and Scripture
http://www.engender.org.za/publications/intersexuality.html

Male and Female God Created Them
http://www.engender.org.za/publications/malefemale.html

http://www.engender.org.za/

GO BROADEN YOUR MIND

Foxyman
August 5th, 2009, 05:51 PM
Architectural firm dhk is also preparing an urban design master plan for “an enormous piece of property” representing six city blocks, says Fehrsen. The whole development will be some 200 000 m˛ of bulk in the Oswald Pirow/Culemborg area. Edge Properties and a number of partners have secured the lease. This is a mixed use scheme with office, retail, residential and hotel opportunities, and concepts are being developed for individual site buildings. A number of appropriate height buildings will flank the highway, with the possibility of a few taller towers as well. Parking will be in a super basement and will also fit neatly under the highway. It will have strong links to the bus rapid transport system, and is being planned from the outset as a sustainable development that will include “a hierarchy of public spaces”.

Mo Rush
August 5th, 2009, 05:55 PM
Architectural firm dhk is also preparing an urban design master plan for “an enormous piece of property” representing six city blocks, says Fehrsen. The whole development will be some 200 000 m˛ of bulk in the Oswald Pirow/Culemborg area. Edge Properties and a number of partners have secured the lease. This is a mixed use scheme with office, retail, residential and hotel opportunities, and concepts are being developed for individual site buildings. A number of appropriate height buildings will flank the highway, with the possibility of a few taller towers as well. Parking will be in a super basement and will also fit neatly under the highway. It will have strong links to the bus rapid transport system, and is being planned from the outset as a sustainable development that will include “a hierarchy of public spaces”.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=913974

bloatedstomach
August 5th, 2009, 09:24 PM
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Google if you what to know more about Nephalim, angles and what ever other crazy rubbish religious idiots grasp onto. I'm here for development of cities - you believe the hogwash if you feel so passionate about it, but if the religious folk harp on the idea that we are all made in the image of god, well then yes dwarfs, downs ... and everything else is in his image ... religion as we know it is a twisted lie ... my reference to Hermaphrodites was to highlight that religion omits various uncomfortable things throughout history and readjusts the lie as time goes on to corrupt people into believing.

PS. I do know the difference between Hermaphrodites and Homosexuals. I do a lot of charity work for a "transgender" organization and Homosexuals and Lesbians are part of our lives (my wife, my familly and myself).

Here some info you might like to read by By Sally Gross ... a person born with both sexual organs:

Intersexuality and Scripture
http://www.engender.org.za/publications/intersexuality.html

Male and Female God Created Them
http://www.engender.org.za/publications/malefemale.html

http://www.engender.org.za/

GO BROADEN YOUR MIND

???

Well seeing as you feel so passionately about it (judging from the words you used to describe religious people) I'll keep away from this discussion when you're around.

Oh yes I've watched a documentary about Sally Gross. Pretty miserable disorder to have.

Lydon
August 5th, 2009, 10:17 PM
Shebeen/PM people :)

Mo Rush
August 19th, 2009, 06:58 PM
where is Ilan?

Mo Rush
August 21st, 2009, 04:31 PM
Culemborg

Of all the land available for re-development in this district, Culemborg is probably the most strategically located with tremendous opportunities for spatial restructuring of the wider area.

The future development of the area is directly influenced by the port expansion option pursued. The recently completed Port Development Framework Plan outlines a number of reconfiguration options over different timeframes. It is recognised that growth and development of port activities have a significant impact on the economy of Cape Town and the Western Cape. However spatially there is conflict between the long term growth of the Port (and its impact on the surrounding land) and the intensive mixed use urban development traditionally envisaged for Culemborg.

The extent to which the land will be available for urban development in future is uncertain. A number of planning initiatives have been completed previously, outlining various proposals for high density housing and related facilities; however the Culemborg site has since been reclassified as a property that is of core value for port-related activities. It has been indicated that there is a critical need for the expansion of container storage areas. The Port Industrial Park (the portion of land between Marine Drive and the N1) has been earmarked as a site for containerisation and related land uses. The impact of container transport on the local road
network, in particular around Paarden Eiland and Maitland, is a serious concern. The visual impact of container stacking is another, particularly in this sensitive „gateway‟ to the central city area.

Questions remain on how to enforce limitations of stacking heights and protect visual corridors and views. In general it is felt that container storage is an inappropriate use for such well-located land and that alternative solutions should be sought.

As a strategic site in the City, Culemborg should be carefully approached in terms of urban design, whatever the final land uses and activities might be. The sterilisation of this large portion of land through semi-industrial activity should be limited as far as possible. There is a need to integrate the site with the surrounding context, ideally by means of physical permeability and linkages across the site, but also through visual integration, protection of
view corridors, the consideration of bulk and height of structures. The nature of any potential development is critical as the site is a gateway to the CBD and very prominent in its location and size.

Mo Rush
October 12th, 2009, 01:14 PM
Cape Metropole, Capetown, South Africa, Client: Ogden Corporation
Project Designer / Illustrator 1997 - 1998 This project concept was an attempt to win a casino license in Capetown South Africa. The team developed a multi-use strategy containing housing, retail, office space, a museum and the casino. A major design component was tying the old train yard back into the fabric of the city.

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Aj LA
July 3rd, 2012, 09:59 AM
Hi there,

I have come across this discussion and am currently doing some research on the culemborg site. Id love to hear whether there are any historic documents on the site and whether there are any heritage studies done on the area?

Any information on the site can be useful.
thanks