Another tall for Adelaide looks like it is on the way!!!!

I'm on the prowl for more!

http://www.adelaidecitycouncil.com/council/publications/Dev_Registers/registered/jun03_planapp_regsum.pdf

Look on Page 13

DA /394/2003 - "Construct a 24-Level building comprising residential and office accomodation, gymnasium, retail shops and associated car park"

16-20 Bentham Street Adelaide

Applicant: Bentham Management P/L

Ahem, maybe a case for "YEEE FUCKING HAAAAA!!"

Could this be a 100m building?????


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :rock: :banana: :banana: :banana:

How tall would this be approximately??? Cul, any idea given it's mixed use nature?

where's that street ? map ?
how much office/residential space is there ?
do you have any idea of plot ratios/height limits ?
if its all residential expect about 75-85m
though parking floors are small so that would take some height off...
office accomodation could mean just 1 floor of commercial space....

Great news! Where exactly will this be, on the corner of Franklin Street, the corner of Waymouth Street or somewhere in between?

I doubt it'll be 100m though - that's over 4m per floor.

That PDF lists the cost as $10m... can't be right!

Dunno, I'll have a look on whereis

http://www.whereis.com.au/search/result.jhtml?_DARGS=%2Fsearch%2Fresult.jhtml

Kinda looks like it's in the middle of this street. Should be tall enough to make quite an impact on the skyline though. IIFC the posi is to the left of santos if viewed from the south of the city.

Still exciting stuff!!

Another building for SS.com!!!

Pikey: That Whereis link just gives the map as a red X for me :(

http://home.iprimus.com.au/adamtre/benthamstreet.gif

I presume it's on the east side of the street. For interstaters: Santos House is on the SW corner of King William Street (one that goes to Victoria Square) and Currie Street (goes through Light Sq then changes name to Grenfell at King William St).

Basically this building, depending on the mix of office and residential, with a height between 75-90m, will stand out nicely on the skyline when viewed from the south. Should bulk that side of the skyline a bit!
Cannot wait for it!!!!

Originally posted by AtD


That PDF lists the cost as $10m... can't be right!

I dare say maybe a zero was left off or something??

you would expect atleast $30m unless its very very thin? or very stingy...

Maybe the purchase of the land was $10m, or the first part of the dev. is $10m.

Either way, good stuff!
/Enter big Kev quote: "I'm Excited! /end quote

Wicked ! Good find pikey....you had to bloody scroll through 13 PDF slides to get to it !!

Best case
- 24 levels of mostly offices, some residential
- sits on a podium which is about 3-4 floors high
- 24 levels does not include underground carpark levels
- has some rooftop spire/feature
- has high floor to ceiling heights
= Maybe 105m to roof, 120m with spire/feature?

Worst case
- 24 levels of mostly residential
- standard floor to ceiling heights
- no podium
- 24 levels INCLUDES underground levels
- no rooftop spire/feature
= 70m to roof ?

My guess is a mixture of both 'Best' and 'Worst' case so I'll go with an 87.5 metre tower to roof ! Our 4th tallest CBD tower?

You must also remember that retail floors can be over 5m high. Office floors also usually vary between 4-4.5m high, and mechanical floors are about 2-2.5m high. I've know of some ressie towers where each floor is 3.5m high, but thats the most. Some of you probably already know this. :)

One good example to look at when dealing with mixed-use buildings is Riparian Plaza.

I walk through that street every single day. What i can tell you is about half the street is taken up by Franklin central apartments, which is a long stretching low rise apartment building. then on the corner you have the rendezvous (however it's spelt, i'm drunk i have an excuse) hotel, so in the middle is about right. very exciting stuff :) i'm assuming it'll be about 80m tall :)

On the other side is a heritage looking building, an empty block used as a car park and some other crappy looking semi abandoned building...... mmmm

wow , great find Pikey! ill ask developer this week for height stats if you want? I think it will be approx 90m! Its definatley going to change Adeialdes skyline , so this is great news!
lets hope it paves way for more development!
cheers:cool:

I'm bored and snooping:

The ACC pdf lists the developer as Bentham Management P/L, which according to the ASIC database, is based in St. Kilda, Vic.

So I did a search for just "Bentham" and there's a big list of results, including of note:
16 Bentham Street P/L - the address of this development, registered in Parkside SA.

There's also a group of deregistered businesses, including
The Bentham Apartments
Bentham Real Estate
Bentham Constructions P/L
Bentham House

But of note, there's also a business listed called 25 Bentham Street P/L, also registered in Parkside... another development... or me bullshitting?

Originally posted by CULWULLA
wow , great find Pikey! ill ask developer this week for height stats if you want? I think it will be approx 90m! Its definatley going to change Adeialdes skyline , so this is great news!
lets hope it paves way for more development!
cheers:cool:

That'd be great if you could find out some stats Cul!! Adelaide's going along allright at the moment, with 2 recent 20+ level proposals!!!!

well got the height!!!! i contacted ACC and chatted to town planner. He had plans in front of him, so striaght from horses mouth!
well it will have a ground floor of retail,
1st floor will be offices
next 24 levels will be residential
total-26 above grd.

Height to roof-80m
height to LMR-84.5m
So not quite 90m but getting there!
he also added the DA is going well and planning offices dont mind its height and location.
The developer has indicated they think market is good and want to start sell asap!!! So maybe some action towards end of year!
So this is great news!
It will be the tallest apartment block in SA!
Does anyone know what it looks like?
cheers

I just contacted the Architecht via email to get some details and renders. THis is very cool news, 26 levels!!!

Did he have any other goss for us skyscraper freaks cul???

Oh yeah the title of this thread should be changed to 26 levels instead of 24!!!

Adelaide's 6th Tallest building!!!!! Hindmarsh square towers reign of tallest resi never came to fruition!!!

Originally posted by CULWULLA
well got the height!!!! i contacted ACC and chatted to town planner. He had plans in front of him, so striaght from horses mouth!
well it will have a ground floor of retail,
1st floor will be offices
next 24 levels will be residential
total-26 above grd.

Height to roof-80m
height to LMR-84.5m
So not quite 90m but getting there!
he also added the DA is going well and planning offices dont mind its height and location.
The developer has indicated they think market is good and want to start sell asap!!! So maybe some action towards end of year!
So this is great news!
It will be the tallest apartment block in SA!
Does anyone know what it looks like?
cheers


Thanks again for your efforts in getting the info here Cul!!

WOW! We are getting a new 6th tallest building.

This is pretty exciting stuff.

Can't wait to see a rendering or a picture in the Advertiser!

Wonder if it got approved at the development meeting at the ACC last night?? The same meeting where the council FINALLY approved the video screen for Adelaide Oval



BRING ON THE CRANES!!!

http://home.iprimus.com.au/adamtre/16bentham.jpg

Is this the site? There's only one a couple of buildings on Bentham Street that have numbers, and 15 was right across from this thing.

There's a lot of empty land around there being used for car parks and the like.

This is good news for Adelaide! bring it on...:D

Originally posted by pikey
Wonder if it got approved at the development meeting at the ACC last night?? The same meeting where the council FINALLY approved the video screen for Adelaide Oval



BRING ON THE CRANES!!!

Thank god for the Video Screen approval.....did the ACC finally get a collective brain fart? Clear out all of those cobwebs! :D

yes the ACC's brain did collectively fart!!! And with the spait of 20+ level buildings announced lately, maybe bigger and better things are on the way for Adelaide - hopefully:D

Originally posted by AtD
http://home.iprimus.com.au/adamtre/16bentham.jpg

Is this the site? There's only one a couple of buildings on Bentham Street that have numbers, and 15 was right across from this thing.

There's a lot of empty land around there being used for car parks and the like.

I checked the street out and that was my guess too, nice spot for a 85m scraper!!
BTW it's be an awesome birthday pressie if it was announced for construction tommorow!!

Originally posted by CULWULLA
wow , great find Pikey! ill ask developer this week for height stats if you want? I think it will be approx 90m! Its definatley going to change Adeialdes skyline , so this is great news!
lets hope it paves way for more development!
cheers:cool: i feel sorry for adelaiders there government sucks, next time the state election comes around vote for someone else maybe you might get a couple of 150-200m buildings, but sounds like good news.

Originally posted by Westside4life 91
i feel sorry for adelaiders there government sucks, next time the state election comes around vote for someone else maybe you might get a couple of 150-200m buildings, but sounds like good news.

even if there where no height limits there wouldn't be the demand for a large tower.....

I agree with chrisaus. In the current situation of the office markets, there's no real demand for B and C grade office space. There is some demand for A grade office space, and this demand is expected to increase around 2007. Residential demand for apartments has also fallen quite a bit in the past year, same also for hotel rooms due to SARS some months ago. The only way they'd be able to fit a building of over 45 floors would be to have mixed-uses, and thats not very common.

AG

Originally posted by AG
I agree with chrisaus. In the current situation of the office markets, there's no real demand for B and C grade office space. There is some demand for A grade office space, and this demand is expected to increase around 2007. Residential demand for apartments has also fallen quite a bit in the past year, same also for hotel rooms due to SARS some months ago. The only way they'd be able to fit a building of over 45 floors would be to have mixed-uses, and thats not very common.

AG when we had ure population we still had a building over 200m, what dilaz89 (michael) said was that his mum went to adelaide and she recons its just like fremantle accept with bigger buildings, that cant be good for S.A or for Australia i mean the council should really start thinking about a landmark tower that will attract more tourists!

thats cause we had bond etc.. back then and people who didn't mind building a tower without tenants.. 10 years later and were still recovering from that boom with no office tower action for 10 years till woodside popped up.... so not such a great thing... thank god I didn't become more interested in the early 90's would have been very very bored....

adelaide needs something to be recognised by( not gay parks and boring churches) Mayby something ornamental like a sky needle or statue. does adelaide have any revolving restaurants???

Originally posted by dilaz89
adelaide needs something to be recognised by( not gay parks and boring churches) Mayby something ornamental like a sky needle or statue. does adelaide have any revolving restaurants???

though its target tourist love the parks and gardens, its a big drawcard, because adelaide has that image they have capatalised on it. promoting other stuff is important though to try and attract the growing backpacker market...

ie. the SA ads show in WA are for great train adventures:cool:

Originally posted by dilaz89
adelaide needs something to be recognised by( not gay parks and boring churches) Mayby something ornamental like a sky needle or statue. does adelaide have any revolving restaurants???

There's a revolving restaurant in Glenelg. And no i'm fine with having parklands as our drawcard, if you don't like it then look at another city.

Westside4life 91, you must remember that Adelaide is NOT an office city. Easy enough to say "build it", but noone is gonna build a 50 floor office building unless it is economically feasible. Look what happened to the Bond group which built Bankwest Tower (RI Bank as it was called), they built a lot of towers in the late 80's and early 90's, then went bankrupt.

Dilaz89, I do agree that Adelaide needs something to be recognised by (maybe one of it's industries or a landmark). You may not like the parklands of Adelaide, and thats fine, but they are there for two main reasons - a place for people to play, stroll around or even kick a footy (something along those lines), and to show that the environment can be maintained, there are still many species of animals living throughout the parklands.

and imagine in 20 or so years time, when we still have these parks, but they are surrounded by mid rise buildings. They would make quite a nice sanctuary from the concrete jungles.

They are here to stay, and I for one are glad that they are.

One good example of a park which serves it's purpose well is Central Park in New York City. Imagine New York without that massive park! There would hardly be any breathing space or space for leisure for some of the residents in the city.

But anyhow, back to the point of this thread.

Hopefully the go ahead will be given by the end of this month and construction can start soon. Finally a tower of decent height to watch go up in Adelaide!

Bloody West Australians! Get out of our forum! :D

dilaz89: The revolving restaurant is ugly as.

AG: Remember, State Bank went broke too.

Originally posted by AtD

AG: Remember, State Bank went broke too.

Yes, but noone actually knows the real reason why State Bank actually went bankrupt.

news just in!! The bentham st tower is 99m tall! and 34 storeys not 26.
The adelaide planner contacted me again with more accurate info. He said the bentham st proposal is 26storeys of residemtial but this sits ontop of a 8 storey carpark! The height is now 99m above ground!
im getting some elevations posted to me next week so ill post them then. Thats great news!! It will be far the tallest residential tower in SA!

nice!! if only it was 1m taller...
hope this one gets up!
if it was all apartments could be much taller like icon whats only 2 levels taller and about 127m... will this be in the top 5 for adelaide? bout time something of reasonable height is proposed

the SA's are going to cream their pants when they hear bout this:lol:

/Pikey does merry little jig/

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Awesome news!!

Excellent. A 34 floor tower in Adelaide, 3 floors more than Santos, is cool with me, despite it being 30 m shorter.
It'll virtually have the same height to roof as Grenfell Centre/Telstra house as seen with the naked eye. :cheers:

yeah the 8storey carpark wontbe accessible by ramp but "car stacker' lift!
should be a cool bldg.

Can't wait for this to start!! I got an email from the ACC after I asked about the possibility of an apartment tower taller than this. The girl said that the council is expecting a new taller tower, but she wasn't able to give details as they haven't recieved a DA yet and the height is not confirmed.

Can you find any more on this cul???

Still intersting all the same! :D

Originally posted by chrisaus
nice!! if only it was 1m taller...
hope this one gets up!
if it was all apartments could be much taller like icon whats only 2 levels taller and about 127m... will this be in the top 5 for adelaide? bout time something of reasonable height is proposed


It would make 4th place as far as we know.

Yay!
:applause:

Does that 99m include a spire or other architectural stuff on the top? Maybe it could get over 100m! :)

Even better news for Adelaide! great stuff!1:guns1: im sure it will get over the 100m mark in the end!

trivia- almost EXACTLY 1/3 rd the height of Eureka !

Originally posted by AtD
Yay!
:applause:

Does that 99m include a spire or other architectural stuff on the top? Maybe it could get over 100m! :)
ill let you for sure next week when i get drawings.

Maybe the 99m height is due to the former (is it?) 99m height limit for that area. :?

Originally posted by AtD
Yay!
:applause:

Does that 99m include a spire or other architectural stuff on the top? Maybe it could get over 100m! :)

Dude, I'll get on the Fucken roof and MAKE it over 100m!!!!

all ya have to do is get a broom and some concrete and concrete a broom to the top whilst still underconstruction!

Originally posted by pikey
Dude, I'll get on the Fucken roof and MAKE it over 100m!!!!

Duck and I have already figured it out.

http://smicik.customer.netspace.net.au/beer.jpg

I'm sneaking this fucker onto the roof when it's done.

is 99m street level or sea level? is it on a hill ?

99m above sea level, yeah sure. Since when did the Adelaide cbd have hills?

The city of Adelaide sits at an average levl of 40m above sea! Thst the RL Santos House sits on. So the RL of Santos Roof is 175m above sea lev.

Originally posted by yob
Duck and I have already figured it out.

http://smicik.customer.netspace.net.au/beer.jpg

I'm sneaking this fucker onto the roof when it's done.
nah remember all that shit about how anything added after completion isnt counted. so sneak in a night time and do it once its nearly done

LOL Yob. I'd love to see the day when Keith Martyn is doing his evening Channel 10 weather segment with a 99m apartment tower sitting in the background with a floodlit 10 metre Draught tinny spire on top! :guns1:

Keith Martyn, is that old codger still around.....bloody hell, must be about 80 year old by now. Is he still putting his name to that shitty Dad's Xmas Stocking Stuffer, the SA Almanac?

I should visit the forum everyday, because now I will post a Fabian post and repeat what everybody else has already said.


I am very happy with the news of a 100m building planned for Adelaide, it will make a noticeable change to the skyline.

Can't wait for construction to start.

I also can't wait to see a rendering.

Any details Cul??? C'mon man I need a hit!!!!!

Originally posted by pikey
Any details Cul??? C'mon man I need a hit!!!!!
im still awaiting plans. ill ring up this week to see whats happening.
cheers

Cheers mate, sorry to be a pain!

Just a thought, due to the close proximity of the exchange building, and the height of this proposal (99m), would it be possible that a spire could be constructed on this building, to serve for the exchange building???

Just some food for thought. It'd be nice to see a 30m spire on this baby!!

Originally posted by pikey
Just a thought, due to the close proximity of the exchange building, and the height of this proposal (99m), would it be possible that a spire could be constructed on this building, to serve for the exchange building???

Just some food for thought. It'd be nice to see a 30m spire on this baby!!


Wouldn't a telecommunications spire emit radiation?

Originally posted by Will
Wouldn't a telecommunications spire emit radiation?

Light globes emit radiation, your point?

Depends on what type of coms tower it is.

Just looking for an excuse to whack a spire on this beeatch!!!

How about a spire that doesn't do anything but look good? :)

Originally posted by Adder-Laid
How about a spire that doesn't do anything but look good? :)
When the Aspect tower in sydney amended its design, they thought there spire couldnt go thru the sun access plane, so the spire rose 2 metres above the roof top feature which looks ridiculous! I actually rang the devloper and told him that a spire or architectural feature was allowed to go thru the sun plane! So he is resubmitting the spire which will take its height from 140m to 150m+! They only have to be informed of this and they will probably do it! But sometimes spires mean wasted expenditures! eg-Sydney's Angel Place had twin 30m spires attched to roof in construction drawings but were deleted from design beacuse tehy didnt want to fork out 1mil$ for them!
anyway im still waiting for drawings and when i get them ill let you know exact height and any chance of spires ect..
cheers

Originally posted by AtD
Light globes emit radiation, your point?

Depends on what type of coms tower it is.


Didn't know that a light globe emited the same amount of radiation as a mobile phone tower...


My point is people wouldn't want to live in a building with a huge telecommunications tower on the roof.

Modbury Hospital has a mobile phone tower on top of it. :)

But yeah I see your point - they have a stigmata about them. But remember the tower on the exchange building will be along side this when it's built. At least if it's on the roof of the new building, it's out of sight from inside the apartments.

I still wonder what's actually in the Exchange building - probably massive old 1960's machines that has as much power as a palm-top.

The sad thing Adam, you're right. I know a guy who works for Telstra and the shit in that tower could be updated with modern equipment equilevant that could fit into a bedroom!!!

Makes you wonder why they don't just update the exchange, move it to one of the other towers and then sell the place.

It's called common sense. People inside have been calling out for it to be upgraded and sold, but nothing has happened

I have a friend who's mum works in the Telstra exchange building.

I remember in the year 2000 my friend took me to where his mum works.

Most of the Telstra Exchange is office accomodation, it is a bit weird because there are no windows.

There is also a lot of security.

bad news guys/ I finally recieved plans of bentham st tower and its not 99m but original 84.6m. So i contacted planner again and he said it was in a "99m height zone".
anyway its a fab looking tower. Really great design.reminds me of Icon in perth.
Ill post elevations tonight.
It has 26 levels above grd, only 1 below.
76 units
the site measures 26m wide x 18m deep.
The drawing indicates colours as-concrete greys,anodised aluminium cladding, sliver and charcoal louvres. I have to say its a very well design tower.
It has virtually same floor plate up to level22/70m then step backs with a penthouse then angled roof and plant.
Il scan plans tonight and post about 8oclock!
cheers

Fuck. what happened to the car park???

Originally posted by pikey
Fuck. what happened to the car park???
still there! the first 8 levels are have 11 on each floor served by a car stacker! The silly planner said 99m instead of actual height.:bash:

Dissapointed is an understatement. I guess 84.6 is ok. so it's still 34 levels?? Shit, I really hope something taller comes up.

Man I'm bummed

Could you see if you can find out any other possible talls Cul???

:( :cry: :cry:

does the carpark look 'stinge' ? or have the 'jazed' it up abit to make it look like part of the apartmentment building?

so this will be like 10th or less the adelaide list now?

Originally posted by chrisaus
does the carpark look 'stinge' ? or have the 'jazed' it up abit to make it look like part of the apartmentment building?

so this will be like 10th or less the adelaide list now?

7th.

Oh well, we're still getting a tallish building......

Gutted though. :(

The carpark is hidden and looks part of the tower. charcoal lourves and balconies. ect. It looks great!

well here are the scans. front/sides.


https://www.emporis.com/files_transfer/6/2003/10/222720.jpg


North elevation-

https://www.emporis.com/files_transfer/6/2003/10/222722.jpg

South Elevation-


https://www.emporis.com/files_transfer/6/2003/10/222723.jpg

what do you think?

look like a nice design, looking forward to seeing colour renders.

wow great design! i only counted 24 floors tho.
it reminds me of a mini-eureka because of the crown:guns1:

I am absolutely stoked that the heritage building on the corner is being kept. The apartments facing the street are going to have a fairly lousy view though - across the road will be rendezvous hotel, and the telstra exchange - and there's sfa chance of seeing over them (not to mention the massive ugly antenna on top of the telstra exchange building blocking the view). Great tower, crap location :(

The building itself looks great. It has a bit of a telstra office building look to it, although it'll look nothing like it in real life. Is that a blank wall of concrete on one side? I hate blank walls :( That's the side facing my school - glad that a) we can't see out the front windows and b) i'm out of there in 2 weeks :D

Very nice tower indeed. Still bummed that it's shorter than we expected. Do you know when we can expect colour renders???

Originally posted by pikey
Very nice tower indeed. Still bummed that it's shorter than we expected. Do you know when we can expect colour renders???
i might ask architects this time!

Damn. Oh well.

It looks OK but it's kinda hard to tell with elevations. Could you get your hands on a perspective projection?

Any idea on the budget for this?

isnt it not 99m anymore?

I guess someone could tell the architects to add a 20m spire to the top. CUL? :D

I have to admit, that I am a little dissapointed that this tower wont be 99m, but when you think about it, we have only lost 14m in height.

The design is very nice, and even though it will be 85m, it will still be a tall building for our standards.

Cul, could you see if your contact knows the progress on this tower??? Like when will contruction start????

77 residential apartments in city centre
By Civic Reporter ANDREW HOUGH
15nov03
PLANS for a 25-level building containing 77 residential apartments will be considered at an Adelaide City Council meeting on Monday night.

The $31 million project, lodged by developers Australian Commerce and Mortgage Finance and Vanew finance company, will be discussed at the development assessment panel meeting.

The proposed complex at 16-20 Bentham St and 47-49 Waymouth St will also contain office space, a gymnasium, retail shops and car parking space.

A staff report to the panel recommends the development plan be approved.

"(It) is proposed to occupy a relatively small site and will result in a slender building with well articulated facades which exhibits a strong residential character," the report says.

The council's heritage adviser has been consulted and supports the project.

The 25-storey proposal is believed to be one of the taller projects to be considered recently by the panel, and compares to the tallest city building, Santos, which is 30 storeys high.

Project co-ordinator Albert Callagher said yesterday apartment prices would start at $250,000 with the most expensive selling for about $450,000.

He said 75 per cent of the building would be sold privately before construction while the rest would go on the market once construction had been completed.

"It is a conforming project and a lot of thought and money has gone into it," Mr Callagher said.

"It is something the council has been looking forward to for quite a while. This is a great project."

He said the modern designed building was energy-efficient and would have all the futuristic features.

Mr Callagher said the current owners of neighbouring Woodards House were "thrilled" that the proposal was in their block.

He said Woodards House would be preserved, keeping its heritage nature.

Colour render at this link:

http://www.rothelowman.com.au/pdf/Bentham.pdf

Looking sensational! Love the green glass balustrades on the balconies. :D

Adelarch, you bloody legend!

That green glass is going to look kinda funny right next to the heritage Woodard house, but it will look good playing off of the allegra hotel (the tower going next door also has green ornamentation on its facade). This tower is some kinky shit!

(i'm dirty with myself, I bought an advertiser just for the small black and white render of the tower..... best $1.50 ever spent.... :( :D)

The 3D rendering looks absolutely awesome, very futuristic! Unusual that it only has 77 apartments across the building though, about 3 or 4 per floor, even The Embassy managed to cram about 10 into each floor, and it's floorplates are only about double the size of those of 16-20 Waymouth Street.

Even more unusual that the most expensive apartments are only 450K - surely that can't be right - there must be some at the pricier end of the market eg penthouses on the top floors

Great work by Ro-the-low-man, but I'm a bit worried about the facade around levels 1-2, looks so... 70's.

Not to sure on the green + grey either.

Still... BUILD ON!

just so u dont need to look at the pdf ;)

http://home.iprimus.com.au/allyoop1/pics/bentham1.JPG

AS PER TODAYS ADVERTISER ON PAGE 6 - SHE'S ALL APPROVED BY THE ACC MO-FO'S!!!!!!!
We are getting a new tallest resi!!!!! - for the time being (hopefully)

State of the art eye in the sky to make City safer after dark



A 24-level building with 73 apartments is set to become a new landmark in the City’s commercial centre.

An application by Bentham Management Pty Ltd to construct the mixed-use building on the corner of Bentham and Waymouth Streets was approved by the Development Assessment Panel tonight.

Retail shops, office accommodation, a gymnasium and car park are included in the development designed by Rother Lowman Architects.

The building has a slender design and features a landscaped rock garden and public seating at the main entrance.

The Lord Mayor, Mr Michael Harbison, says the state art residential development will breathe life into a traditionally commercial precinct and the “eye in the sky” passive surveillance by residents of the surrounding area will significantly improve safety. .

“Council’s strategy is to encourage a greater density of people in the City and to create a livelier City centre,” says Mr Harbison.

“Developments such as this will add enormous vitality to the area.

“The development is an excellent example of ‘urban upfill’, which aims to accommodate increased numbers of residents in distinctly urban mixed use and vibrant streetscapes.

“‘Urban upfill’ addresses Council’s twin goals of better development and more development in the City.”

“We are bringing diversity to the commercial heart of the City, a trend already started with recent developments such as the Rendezvous Allegra.”

looks great! it will be a much wanted change to the skyline!

Meh. I tried.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/adamtre/BadBenthamRenderCopyPasteJob.jpg

I wish to formally apologize for turning a perfectly good render into a abomination of Photoshopping. I think it looks taller there than it actually is, but the perspective is all fucked, so, meh.

nice try:) better than what i could do!

Great News!

That part of the city will look so different in a few years after all the developments for this area are completed.

I love the colours planned for this building, they look really elegant.

Can't wait for construction to start (by the way, when is construction going to start?)

http://www.adelaidecitycouncil.com/Council/publications/Agendas/dap/2003_11_17dap.pdf

Have a look from page 70 onwards. It's got all the shit about this building, and what's happening with it. The council has asked the developers to submit their construction plans so it can be approved next month, so to hazzard a guess I'd say construction will start either december or January some time!

She's definaltey a goer now. Have a gander down Bentham St. Demolition has started. Looks like the same demo company is doing the Work for both Bentham Apartments and the City1 tower (18 level office doodad)

Originally posted by pikey
She's definaltey a goer now. Have a gander down Bentham St. Demolition has started. Looks like the same demo company is doing the Work for both Bentham Apartments and the City1 tower (18 level office doodad)

Excellent news for Adelaide, the site will look amazing later this year when the tower cranes are in position!

check out pikeys find-\webcam from Allegra hotel>
(click webcam tab lower right side)
watch its construction!

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/
Also i noticed , not one photo is showing up in these 5 pages of this thread??
anyway ill repost>

render-
http://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2003/11/230803.jpg

elevations>

http://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2003/10/222720.jpg

http://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2003/10/222722.jpg

http://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2003/10/222723.jpg

All of Waymouth street was blocked off infront of this site on Sunday. A temporary crane was set up lifting some shit in or something

:dizzy:

Originally posted by pikey
All of Waymouth street was blocked off infront of this site on Sunday. A temporary crane was set up lifting some shit in or something

:dizzy:

That crane was brought in to work on the demolition of the existing buildings if I'm not wrong.

whats latest on my fav new scraper in SA??? any recent pix of site ect?

Just still more excavation work going on. The drilling for crane bases have been done, if i've counted properly, I've seen 3 bases. With all these cranes going up in Adelaide, It'll soon look like part's of Melbourne! - Hopefully

latest pic
http://img52.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/adelaidetoweruc.jpg

I'll say this now, you can't actually see the Bentham Street site from that view. You'll be able to see it when it rises, but it's hiden to the bottom right of the view.

What has happened to this great project??

It hasn't started, to be precise.

Every thing around the actual site of the tower - nearly the entire block - has been levelled. Except the actual building site still has this dingy little car park and parcel delivery business sitting there.

I can tell you though that demolition is being undertaken for the site of rhte other 85m tower on the block, and they're now digging a huge hole for the new advertiser building. Who knows when bentham apartments start? I haven't seen any marketing for the actual apartments, so unless the investor doesn't care about pre committments, it may not start for a while.

http://urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2004-05-25/picture%20005_std.jpg
http://urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2004-05-25/picture%20006_std.jpg
http://urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2004-05-25/picture%20007_std.jpg
http://urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2004-05-25/picture%20008_std.jpg

good pix. progressing well

Adam, how did you, get into the construction site?

BTW this project is progressing pretty slowly; I can't believe that after 6 or 7 weeks the little 5 level building beside the Advertiser is still standing.

I didn't, just stuck the lens through a gap in the fence. :)

hey guys! heres a pic from advertiser webcam today, where will Bentham st tower rise? how come such a large site? im confused.lol

http://img52.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/benthamstjune24.jpg

ok. The big square is going to be the 5 level advertiser building. You can see the core taking shape. The demolition to the left hand side and "above" is the site of the 84.5m CityOne tower. As you can see the tower is going to run along the lenght of waymouth st. Bentham st tower will rise just to the right of the building along the bottom of that shot, and when it is full height will block out most of this shot.

Does that make sense Richard?

thanks pike!

I have a horrible feeling this one had bitten the dust. All the info I knew of on the net is gone, it has been removed from the Capital City Committee website, and the ACC isn't responding to questions asked about it. Either it's on hold until the Advertiser building is complete, or it has gone the way of the dinosaur.

Cul, can you find out from your contact at the ACC as to what's going on here?

hmmm, not good.

hmmm, not good.

NOOOOO!!!!!!


:omg: >( :dunno: :( :bleep: :soapbox: :wtf: :mad2: :wallbash: :toilet:

We should be so hasteful in stating that the Bentham St Appartments will not be constructed. The developer of these is Caversham which is the same mob building City Central (next to the Advertiser). I am sure that once the City Central office tower is built along with the Advertiser that the rest of the City Central proposal shall be built. But it will most likely be in a few years time.

yeah, I'm sure something decent will get built on the site. Hopefully it will be a better design than the original proposal in as much as it won't focus views directly onto the fugly telstra building across the way. Perhaps it's actually the resi tower at the back in the city central render we've already seen (?) - bit hard to tell...

http://smicik.customer.netspace.net.au/daddy.jpg

Adelarch: No I don't think the Bentham St Apartment building is part of the City Central project as shown in that pic.

http://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2003/11/230803.jpg

When you look at this render you can see it is right up next to the Art Deco 5 story building right on the corner of Waymouth Street while the City Central render shows an apartment tower (admittedly similar looking) up on the Franklin Street end of Bentham Street.

yeah im with atd on this one. i think bentham st apartments arent connected with the City central project. I was told a few months back that bentham st will commence construction late 2004.

yeah, hoping you're right...
But as Pikey pointed out, it's been deleted from the capcity website - the most comprehensive and regularly updated guide to projects in the city
http://www.capcity.adelaide.sa.gov.au/projects/projects_current.asp
Also, given the DA was from the same mob that are developing the rest of the block it seems odd they would choose to leave it out of the render

Am I the only person that can see the render of Bentham St apartments in that render of Capital City (*edit* city one, or wahtever it's called), as clear as friggin day?! It's right bloody there!

I think the resi closest to Bentham looks like Bentham too... although I find it strange that the details on the website are now missing...

ill try to find some answers today!

Any news here cul?

i m still waiting for phone call. might have to ring again!

Well, my attempt for info looks to have failed. I got an email form customer service 4 weeks ago saying they forwarded my email to Planning. Nothing in response. Prolly to busy trying to fix their fuck up with the parking fines around Adelaide Oval on sunday....

Have they been advertising the apartments for sale anywhere?

Any news here cul?
I got a call back from the city planner who has the bentham st project and he said it has been given construction approval but hasnt been lodged yet.
only granted site clearance certificate.
I asked him what was happening with the project and he said he hasnt heard from developer for a while but they dont really have to because they have consent anyway. he said this is normal and they have 2 years to start project before consent lapses. he said ring architects they might know?
so i rang architects and they said they ask the developer! they have done there part on designing the tower. so the owner is the only one who knows. who currently owns the bldg at front of site.
So i reckon Bentham PTY LTD are just getting there shit together before they feel time is right to commence construction. this could go for another 2 weeks of 12 months, either way it will definalty start before DA lapses in 2 years.

I have some links to this one through work and while this is nothing more than a "general feeling", sadly, there's a fair chance of it falling through.

Hey guys! just go 2 www.skyscrapers.com itz da best site for all da info. it has like all da citys in the world and tells u about every building in adeliade!

lol

who do you think is responsible for all of the info on that site!

Hey guys! just go 2 www.skyscrapers.com itz da best site for all da info. it has like all da citys in the world and tells u about every building in adeliade!
wow really?? what a cool site! must visit one day.
lol

now now boys play nice with the new fella!!!!!

its been a month.anything?

Nup, me thinks it may have gone bye bye. The Adelaide CBD market is definately turning to office developments. I think the cooling housing market has hit apartments hard. Maybe the DA will turn into a mixed use Hotel/office complex?

I chatted to planner today about this project. he said its gonna start soon.
has anyone else heard anything?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/bentham1.jpg

Strangely ties in with my post here. (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=3080966#post3080966)

Great news if true.

excellent news... 10 more projects like this, and I'd say we're thriving... pity I can't see 10 happening... lol

Fantastic stuff Pants. You totally torched our hopes and dreams months back, now you're back saying it's a goer. Keep it up :D

:)

My guess is that the developer's changed again, but I'll ask around today and see what I can find out.

I wouldn't have put too much weight on the additions to the Architect's site, but Cul's info is definately promising.

I hope Culwulla is right, it would be a massive shame if this project died.

I haven't been able to come up with anything new, so unfortunately I can't say either way.

Judging by Cul's information alone though, I'd be confident that it's back on track (if it ever went off).

Any news on this one fellas? Its April now and I would have thought construction would be underway or very close to it. I cant wait to see it go up. Any idea of how many tower cranes it will have?

Cheers =]

I'm not sure that this one's going up as pictured, but I've heard there's going to be twin residential towers on this site (which backs up what we all knew from the concept plan that was in the 'tiser a while back anyway).

As to whether the tower in this thread is it (or part of it), I'm not sure, but there will definately be a decent sized resi development fronting Bentham Street on the City Central block.

chatted to a planner yesterday about this one. She said the developer has until Nov15 to commence construction or they will loose DAconsent. that would be a shame.hopefully within next 7 months construction will start.

Bugger me. They have to haul ass. Not one bit of works on the site at all, u wouldn't know anything is proposed. I'll be spewin if this one goes down the toilet.

I got some pretty loose info today that finance etc is in place but they're looking to up the height and are seeking to amend the DA.

Not sure how accurate it is, but thought it was worth passing on.

Promising.

Another little snippet - the city central block's plan does not include the bentham st apartment building. The 2 resi high rises proposed in the south west corner are different buildings. So that makes 3 85m+ resi's on the block. However, i'm not sure how the new 12 storey commo building fits in with the plan.

Promising.

Another little snippet - the city central block's plan does not include the bentham st apartment building. The 2 resi high rises proposed in the south west corner are different buildings. So that makes 3 85m+ resi's on the block. However, i'm not sure how the new 12 storey commo building fits in with the plan.

Isnt that the one they said is going to be corner bentham and frankling well is it possible that this is not on the city central block but rather on the opposite side off bentham st where that rundown deli etc are.

Any updates on Bentham St apartments? Hate to see this dropped. With the two new 85m residentials and Bentham as well as the 5 60m Franklin apartments, this area of the city's going to look sweet! If they all go up at once, 8 cranes! :)

Something in todays City Messenger about this one. If you are referring to the orginal plan yes this one is a dead duck, if your talking about the site then no!!! Apparently the new owners of the Bentham Group are proposing a 98m 35 storey appartment tower instead of the previously approved 24 storey appartment tower. This would then make it the 4 highest building in Adelaide and the highest appartment tower in Adelaide.

If the tower gets approved they talked about starting the building by the end of the year!!!

excellent!! ill enquire with council for anymore details.

Something in todays City Messenger about this one. If you are referring to the orginal plan yes this one is a dead duck, if your talking about the site then no!!! Apparently the new owners of the Bentham Group are proposing a 98m 35 storey appartment tower instead of the previously approved 24 storey appartment tower. This would then make it the 4 highest building in Adelaide and the highest appartment tower in Adelaide.

If the tower gets approved they talked about starting the building by the end of the year!!!

:okay:

Sounds like the info I stumbled across the other week was kinda right then - although there was some confusion between me and the guy I was talking to as to whether we were talking about the same owners.

Great news if it happens, which I can't see why it wouldn't given that 98m is within the height limit for the area and I assume they've got parking issues sorted.

98m divided by 35storeys = 2.8m per floor. really cramming them in there. but thats fine. might as well make the most$ as you can.

I contacted council and no dA has been lodged yet, so no details yet.

Cool, so with LMR and other guff, this thing could be 100m???? Niiiiiice!

hmmm, yeah maybe. Alot of the time ive noticed with DA;s that 98m could be height to LMR or mainroof. hope it does mean 98m roof and maybe 102-105m LMR. could become 2nd tallest?

Also, at 35 levels, that'd be the most number of floors in a tower in Adelaide!

Here's the article from the Messenger. It'll have a nice impact on the city if it goes through (and the Lord Mayor's quote is encouraging on that front):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Bentham_edited.jpg

hey, all the bldgs heights/stats are correct! must of checked out emporis.lol
so there lodging this week. now you tell me.lol\
ill contact ACC again to see if 98m to roof or LMR.
looks like Grenfell centre? maybe its just a quick impression?
when they mention how Santos has less floors but higher ceilings, der? its a bloody office block!

isnt it great news!

It's awesome news for us mate.

Pretty sure it's just an outline to show size. Funny that Grenfell Centre is as unimaginative as a block diagram though.

Fark, this is so awesome, I can't wait for more details! This last 18 months have been unreal for little old Adelaide!

This is rad.

Cul, the amount of height per floor would even less than 2.7m. The floor's thickness and the space between each floor takes up space as well, but the ceiling heights seem normal.

$50 million for a 98m high building seems a bit on the cheap side.

this is great news :)
kind of balances out Santos from the angle shown

Bentham Street is going to look very dense with the few new developments going up. The article claims that this building will be going up at 16 Bentham Street. Other sources I have say that City Central 3 will also be located at 12-26 Bentham Street. How does that work, is one set partially behind the other?

Cul, the amount of height per floor would even less than 2.7m. The floor's thickness and the space between each floor takes up space as well, but the ceiling heights seem normal.

$50 million for a 98m high building seems a bit on the cheap side.
i agree, the floor to floor height would be approx 2.8m, thus minimum allowed for ceiling height is 2.4m, so 300mm slab/electicals ect make up rest.
yes 50mil is cheap but if its just a simple block of flats it can be done.

Awesome! I think that photo must be wrong though. It shows the tower higher than Telstra and Grenfell even though it's located further back than they are. Maybe they might add a couple of extra floors and make it second tallest!

What's the height limit in that area anyway?

man that's brilliant! :)

renderings renderings! i wanna see renderings! haha

edit : hey pants, should this development be on the sa projects (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=199066) list?

Awesome! I think that photo must be wrong though. It shows the tower higher than Telstra and Grenfell even though it's located further back than they are. Maybe they might add a couple of extra floors and make it second tallest!

What's the height limit in that area anyway?

About 100m.

man that's brilliant! :)

renderings renderings! i wanna see renderings! haha

edit : hey pants, should this development be on the sa projects (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=199066) list?

Way ahead of you mate. :okay:

you champ! :)

Well I'm delighted to hear this news!!! 98m is no mug of a building anywhere let alone here! Would be the equivalent of 220-240m in Syd/Melb.

Cant wait till that whole block is teaming with construction :D

yes a 98m bldg in Adelaide makes the top 5, so its like 200m+ in Sydney or melb or 150m+ in GC/Bris being built. Its a major project and will alter skyline. Thats what Adealide needs, its had same skyline now for a while. Its time, especially with the other 80m+ scrapers being built/planned, shiould really give Adelaide some much wanted density.
And you know what happens when a tall apartment tower is planned ? others will follow. so should kick start things in CBD.

im so happy

:) :) :)

Anything happening here?? The DA should have gone in by now. Can you get details Cul??

ill try today

official height! 105m! big news guys! spoke with architect and he quoted- 99m to roof and 105m to plantroom!
The "98m" height quoted in paper was height to upper ceiling of highest level! lol.which is height limit.
he said its basically an extruded version of the original 24storey approved last year. im getting a big updated render sent within a couple days! ill be sure to post it. The new DA was lodged last week.
I told him at 105m it becaomes Adelaides 2nd tallest building! he said wow, they knew it was going to tallest resi but didnt realize it was higher then bulk of talls.
cheers guys.

official height! 105m! big news guys! spoke with architect and he quoted- 99m to roof and 105m to plantroom!
The "98m" height quoted in paper was height to upper ceiling of highest level! lol.which is height limit.
he said its basically an extruded version of the original 24storey approved last year. im getting a big updated render sent within a couple days! ill be sure to post it. The new DA was lodged last week.
I told him at 105m it becaomes Adelaides 2nd tallest building! he said wow, they knew it was going to tallest resi but didnt realize it was higher then bulk of talls.
cheers guys.

Can I just be the first to say:

WOO - FUCKING - HOO!!!

Thanks for the effort Cul. Look forward to seeing the render.

105m!! Awesome! :colgate: :colgate: :colgate: ALL HAIL CUL!!!!! :bow:

Man I'm dissapointed.........

NOT, YOU FUCKING BEEAAUUUTY!!!

:cheers:

yep stoked.

on an unrelated note, pikey, your post count. number of the beast. up the irons!

yep stoked.

on an unrelated note, pikey, your post count. number of the beast. up the irons!
:angel: !!!!!

Great stuff. I'm excited, but I'm not holding my breath.

second tallest? damn, adelaides had a good day.... santos ob deck, 2nd tallest, city central going up well, trams coming in... im beginning to love this town! its full of hype and buzz now, well not out of the office window im looking atm. renders would be good by now, and also according to the www.capcity.com.au webiste bentham street apartmenst status is currently at under negotions/nearing approval.

My soul for the penthouse apartment.

Why in the worl was i pissed when the former Bentham proposal went cold?

Gooooo SOUTH AUSSIES!!!!


Its happy but sad because 105 is second tallest..

top stuff :D

nice one.

I expect this one to be U/C next time over there or else ;)

Whats the chances of this one falling through?

good to hear, 105m not a bad height that.

^ yeah ,well its higher then any apartment block in Perth atm by far!lol

As Michael Voss was once heard saying....YOU LITTLE BEAUTY!!! :D

I walked through Bentham Street earlier today, and boy is this tower going to be damn thin. Barely as wide as Woodard House next door and touching the western wall of the new 'Tiser Building. The "gap" could easily fit two buildings, maybe three if they were really squeezed in. Still wonder how two more high-rise apartment buildings plus CCT3 will fit in around that side of the block.

^ yeah ,well its higher then any apartment block in Perth atm by far!lol

:D

is the building going to look the same as the former proposal?

cmon, wheres the renders for this beauty... and hell yeah the blocks small and thin. barely fits a normal building

Frankly, i dont give a dam how small the block is. I believe thats why its being made tall

i was told the new design is a lengthened version of the 24storey which was approved last year. Im getting a new render sent to me next week. watch this space.

Cant Wait!

this thread appears dead :sleepy:

dont fret. i hope to get new render this week.remember its a new proposal so it has to go thruough DA process again.so nothing much will happen for a few months.then the DA will be approved and hopefully commence before Nov15 (which is deadline for construction application).but architect sounded really positive and reckons this ones a goer!

who is the DA?

who is the DA?

Development Application

who is the DA?

If being annoying was a ciminal offense, you'd meet him/her.

If being annoying was a ciminal offense, you'd meet him/her.

Your not wrong... :runaway:

But you're wrong! :)

:no:

oh god! i hate these Grammer obsesed forumers!!!! :lol:

Cul, just wondering whether you might give Rothe Lowman a kick up the jacksie for those renders they said they'd send you.

Cheers.

here ya go!!
105m to blades!!!
wow
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1039/benthamnew1ng.jpg

:eek2:

Thanks mate. Really appreciate it. That's fucking awesome.

yes, the render finally came. the guy was away for a week. i told him it looks great and its good how it has a unique arc feature on top (20m high blades) so it gives another statement on skyline. he said the original approved tower had a boring top so they decided to add some flare to it. he said it will look nice when light up at night!

that looks brilliant!!! i can't wait to see a night time render of how it'll look... great stuff mate thanks for posting it.

AWESOME!!! :D

that is one neat looking resi, will really help to modernise Adelaide's skyline
(but I do hope the south and east facing facades are more than just blank walls)

thanks a million Cul

^ there might be a reason for the blank walls. like sharing property boundarys, so architects might have no choice.

like......FUCK.......bloody awesome!

Before and after fun:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/bentham1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/Bentham3.jpg

:rock: Very Impressive. Great to see something a little different. Hopefully this could be an inspiration for similar talls! :rock:

AG on 11 October 2003:

I guess someone could tell the architects to add a 20m spire to the top. CUL? :D

That's some Mystic Meg shit right there.

Nice stuff! The blades at the top make it stand out more than the original.

^ Who's gonna win the footy this week mate? I'm leading my tipping comp but want a bit more of a buffer.

Thanks in advance. :)

do the roof features make it higher than 105m?

No mate. Cul said 105m to blades.

oh thats gotta suck.

I want to cuddle that building.

Imagine if that site across the road from these apartments, between the Allegra and Franklin Central apartments, got a 100m tally. That part of town would be density central.

do the roof features make it higher than 105m?
its 99m to roof and 105m to blades.

Imagine if that site across the road from these apartments, between the Allegra and Franklin Central apartments, got a 100m tally. That part of town would be density central.

But it would suck if you bought one of the western facing apartments, particularly if you bought it for the view like many do.