piekne miasto zal mi bylo je opuszczac

Wzanfiepotzuü KFJGHB PPZBzghsljFJKHBHG vjh ih! :lol:

10/10 :D

Frankfurt is quite really cool :okay:, but what is not built now really sometimes and what? One does not see through already at all so properly.

A co wy na to piekno az dech zapiera:banana:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4328/800pxskylinefrankfurtamdl6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
[img=http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4328/800pxskylinefrankfurtamdl6.jpg] (http://imageshack.us)

ladne zdjecia, ale za bardzo tu nie pasuja, tutaj chodzi i millennium tower. na forum sa inne watki ze zdjeciami z frankfurtu ;)

can we please stay at english ^^

ladne zdjecia, ale za bardzo tu nie pasuja, tutaj chodzi i millennium tower. na forum sa inne watki ze zdjeciami z frankfurtu ;)
ok dzieki za informacje dopiero tu weszla i jeszcze nie do konca wiem co ijak dziekiraz jeszcze

Gifruj iorgskn ougün zgrekj gnurbhzviu kjeglhfbvoiuszg!

write english!:bash:

Gifruj iorgskn ougün zgrekj gnurbhzviu kjeglhfbvoiuszg!


:lol: I second that.

ich kann do nadirlisch ah mim hessisch-badische gebabbel kumme wenn der do mim polnische okummt:ohno:

greizkruzifix, come back to topic now and write english :bash:

su, ihr läit, gefft aach, dat mögefopo zetzetzwo kimmt sus mim hammer häi hin un deid uch all uf de kopp kloppn! :bash:
oßerdämm gefft et nix nouet zum thema fer häi rumzokamelln.

das heeßt uff'n nischl bochn, ge? :bash: dassde weeßt was ich meen, ne?
den fred hier kriegnmar eh nich mehr clean... sobald was u/c is, wird doch eh 'n neuer uff gemacht (denksch ma)...

:nuts:
schreibt wenn schon richtiges deutsch und nich son kack

das heeßt uff'n nischl bochn, ge? :bash: dassde weeßt was ich meen, ne?
den fred hier kriegnmar eh nich mehr clean... sobald was u/c is, wird doch eh 'n neuer uff gemacht (denksch ma)...

Hehehe...what's going on here? :D Are you crazy? Switch back to english.

I read about the Frankfurt Millennium Tower in 2002.
I've ever thought that this thing never gonna gets build.

But it's a nice design. :okay:

I think it's time for :lock:

the project is still alive, no need to close it

There are investors from Dubai interested in the project. It was shown at the Cityscapes fair in Duabi and in Cannes also...

looks great for frankfurt...

I just love Franfurt's skyline :D It will be great to have such a dominant!

any news?

Never underestimate German bureaucracy. They probably still have to fill out five thousand forms before they can start.

belive me Polish bureaucracy is worst than German... Tower looks great, hope they gonna built it very soon

any news?

no ^^, unfortunately not

^^

What a shame...I had the hope to read some good news about MT :(

the project is still alive, no need to close it

Can you tell me when they start to digging? Or is the project still hanging in the bureaucratic stage?

they still search tenants for the tower. so until the construction can start it can take years.

why bringing this up again? if there is news, I'm sure it will be posted here immediately. the developer is currently concentrating on several other projects right next door, including an 185m office tower (prep started) and a congress/shopping center with hotel skyscraper (starting this year, if all goes as planned).
unless a tenant doesn't show up, nothing will happen. this tower will hold over 200,000 sq m of space - you need a big ass company to fill atleast 40-50% of that ...

belive me Polish bureaucracy is worst than German... Tower looks great, hope they gonna built it very soon

The polish bureucracy is better buyable then the one here... lol.

Guess they are still fighting with the enviromentalists because the tower blocks a bird-fly route :ohno:

this shot, taken by Jürgen on september 28th shows the MT in the Skyline-Plaza Plan, with 365m :).

some new hope :):

http://www.ld-host.de/uploads/images/eeb912ff2dc7ff641c5fadd491e16023.jpg

träum weiter..:lol:

don't be so pessimistic ^^

I want you people writing in English please, just so you know I don't know much German.

He just said "dream on".

Besides, if us non-mods were in any position to make demands I'd have long gotten rid of the "feet"-stuff. ;)

I want you people writing in English please, just so you know I don't know much German.
Not only you...
Any new news, pics (project) about the tower?

no new pics, only the link to the master-plan i posted. maybe they'll show the tower again on cityscpape in dubai next month, like last year :)

Just thought this tiny simulation ought to be brought up again.
I think BMXican made it some time ago (where's he gone, anyway?).


http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8384/frankfurt20xxia1.jpg

I don't realize that in Franfurt so many skyscrapers

They don't have those
It's just a very optimistic view!
In Frankfurt we have a vacancy rate of almost 2.000.000 m2 / 21.528.000 sqfeet (16,7 %). Sorry for asking, but who wants to build even more buildings?

obviously they do. either those principals are nuts, or your vacancy rate calculation is a milchmädchenrechnung.

on the pic above from zz-II it's called tower 365. is this the new name? hope they soon bring any news about the realization or whats going on!

don't think they'll build it during the crisis ^^

No chance. After completion of Skyline Plaza with its Hotel & Office Tower (around 2015?) might be the earliest for a serious proposal.

yup, that's right. first they've to finish the 2 smaller towers before they can think about the MT

Frankfurt has been so silent for the past few years with skyscrapers activity, i'm gad to see more happening there again, it has an awesome skyline!

^^ Dude, why would you wait 7 months before writing your first post? :nuts:

I made some pics of my model from tower 365.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2396/mi3.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7326/milli2.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8946/milleniumtower.jpg

I still believe in the project. But it's quite long till 2013.

how do you come to 2013?

btw..nice model, thx for posting it :)

this takes too long.

read it somewhere. skyscraperpage.com or such page. may be wrong the date.

probably ^^

Nice look, but probably a good idea to change the name. It's a bit late to be the "Millennium" anything.
Maybe next millennium? :lol:

how do you come to 2013?

btw..nice model, thx for posting it :)

Maybe he got the same pre-written e-mail from Vivico asking about that tower. They wrote that construction would only begin AFTER the construction of the Skyline Plaza. One because of the high numer of offices provided by Tower 1 and other is due to lack of space in the area for the huge amount of traffic during construction.
But my interpretations reads as following: The tower is supposedly dead because after the construction of Skyline Plaza we have enough office space. If other rise their projects at the same time (maybe Marieninsel etc.), there will be no more potential for the Mt unless this is the last highrise lot in the whole city! :lol:

just wait...the future will tell us :)

any updates? the beginning of the new millenium is long gone... or do they wait until 3000 :(

no updates :( ^^

no updates :( ^^

unfortunately not:(

I don't get it why they don't start with construction of skyline plaza.

FINALLY RENAMED by VIVICO!!!! Now it is Tower 356!

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9830/masterplanmitmd.jpg

So it's 365 meters and not 350?

So it's also 356 meters and not 350?

From what is written there, yes. But T185 rose to 211m also but it kept it's name T185 anyway...

211m for T185? sweet :cheers:

211m for T185? sweet :cheers:

I think this won't be notable if 204 or 211m - from street level this is about the same!
Actually T365 was shortened from 389m to 350m and now 365m. I hope that this height will be increased a little more also (and if it was only such a non-counted nose as the one of T185)... :D

whatever name, I would like to see the go ahead signal. :)

I think this won't be notable if 204 or 211m - from street level this is about the same!
Actually T365 was shortened from 389m to 350m and now 365m. I hope that this height will be increased a little more also (and if it was only such a non-counted nose as the one of T185)... :D

but 211m sounds better :D, and this means the tower will be the 3rd tallest tower in frankfurt :cheers:

but 211m sounds better :D, and this means the tower will be the 3rd tallest tower in frankfurt :cheers:

That means also that we dearly need Tower One, Campanile and Marieninsel to top it, since I don't like it enough to be in the top 5. Or would it have been there with 204m also?

del

i'll call a local mod

Okay, I changed it. :cool:

uh some news finally. great! 211m for tower 185! nice

in a german forum (daf) a member of vivico said, that the picture is fake.
..done by someone with paint :D

just read it myself...what a pity :(

Can this guy from Vivico send me a response to my mail please? I sent Vivico this plan along with some questions and no answer until now! :(

Nice project. I really like Frankfurt

I made a pic with MT how it could look like in the skyline.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/21/massenstudiealexgkopie.jpg

And now with Marieninsel,Sparkasse, Tower 1 and Opernturm:nuts:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5726/skylineinklmarieninselt.jpg

really nice

sure it`s the right position and that it will get SO fat?!?

sure it`s the right position and that it will get SO fat?!?

I'd rather say it would be little more to the left and somewhat more slender... At least if you look at the position and size of the Kronenhochhaus...

I'd rather say it would be little more to the left and somewhat more slender... At least if you look at the position and size of the Kronenhochhaus...

yes could be, I positioned it approximately. But it is really a pity that the plan with tower 365 is a fake, isn't it?

Hum, yes, but the changes weren't that spectacular anyway. Here is the ORIGINAL I received a download-link from Vivico yesterday. But I had no time to ulpoad it yet. But here it is:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/588/080918masterplanmitmdov.jpg
Heights are no longer given, I wonder why,...
:cheers:

Don't know but this plan has been around for a while now. There is absolutely no news here.

The T185 model is new and and the name of MT has changed into T365. That's it.

--wrong thread--

--wrong thread--

I dont think they will build this. All it has got going for it is its height. But is it approved?

^ Are you talking about the design? There's no final render yet.
That study shown in the first post here is as old as the hills.

It's approved, but we'll have to wait some years from now, since they'll build the Skyline Plaza (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=480449) first.

^^ thanks for the info. im a fan of skyline plaza

I dont think they will build this. All it has got going for it is its height. But is it approved?

Vivico has planned it as a potential for after 2013, so we won't see it rising that fast, although it was presented on MIPIM and at the Dubai Cityscape fair...

If they find a tenant they could start tomorrow.

But to be honest I don't mind if they build a 100-150m tower at the location. Don't think it would be so nice to have 300m+ at this location. More important are high rises in the banking district and a dense urban development in the city IMO.

If they find a tenant they could start tomorrow.

But to be honest I don't mind if they build a 100-150m tower at the location. Don't think it would be so nice to have 300m+ at this location. More important are high rises in the banking district and a dense urban development in the city IMO.

But don't forget that T365 could be built there without looking too enormous, since it would be surrounded by T185, Messeturm, maybe HH am Güterplatz, and maybe Tower One with 195 to 212m... Thus it wouldn't look too over-dimensioned!
But if I had the choice, I would prefer Marieninsel and Max instead!

i definitely would prefer the Millenium Tower, frankfurt needs its first supertall!

But if I had the choice, I would prefer Marieninsel and Max instead!

Max is the tower that is deferentially missing in the banking district. It was one of the best designs ever.

Max is the tower that is deferentially missing in the banking district. It was one of the best designs ever.

Exactly! It would densen so much the space between Maintower and Commerzbank and with it's design it would have had a good "bridge" function between the two towers! :(

beautiful and modern!

Max is the tower that is deferentially missing in the banking district. It was one of the best designs ever.
Really? I can't remember this tower. What did the design look like? Any renders?
Thanks.

where did you read that??

they began to build???

No, it is only approved. And construction won't start before 2013! It's Frankfurt not Moscow or another mega world city! :lol: Such a huge project can only be built if there aren't too many other towers built, otherwise it would end up 60% empty! :lol:

Hope it will be built, it's a shame that Germany have great engineering's fame with no supertalls buildings.

Hope it will be built, it's a shame that Germany have great engineering's fame with no supertalls buildings.

It's not a shame. It is the market...:lol:

It's not a shame. It is the market...:lol:

It's also a lot to do with attitude. Outside of Frankfurt, highrises are extremely unpopular for most of the population. And Frankfurt has a terribly "small town" attitude. A city the size of Frankfurt (with or without it's larger urban or metropolitan area) outside of Europe would have a much larger presence of skyscrapers and probably with some taller buildings as well.

That small town attitude is slowly changing though. No help to the current Mayor who even describes Frankfurt as a "Village" !!! But maybe in the next decade or so enough people here will start to treat Frankfurt as the large city it really is.

It's also a lot to do with attitude. Outside of Frankfurt, highrises are extremely unpopular for most of the population. And Frankfurt has a terribly "small town" attitude. A city the size of Frankfurt (with or without it's larger urban or metropolitan area) outside of Europe would have a much larger presence of skyscrapers and probably with some taller buildings as well.

That small town attitude is slowly changing though. No help to the current Mayor who even describes Frankfurt as a "Village" !!! But maybe in the next decade or so enough people here will start to treat Frankfurt as the large city it really is.

Sorry, but int'l comparison Frankfurt IS a village! It has only 660k inhabitants. I don't know too many cities packed with skyscrapers and supertalls which are 660k level. Look around in all of Europe: Apart from London and Paris there is nothing similar although there are many many much bigger cities: Milan, Rome, Madrid, Warsaw, Prague, Vienna, Bucharest, Budapest, Naples,.... they are all at least twice as big as Frankfurt and look at their skyscraper levels!
Why packing a city with skyscrapers that are not needed? Construction of skyscrapers has nothing to with popularity - since they aren't the much hated residential highrises but commercials. If there is demand then there is construction and fullstop. Until now there is no need for T365, if there is, it gets built.
And don't forget the prices for skyscraper construction in FFM! The new ECB should cost 1.4 billion Euros!!!! :ohno:

Sorry, but int'l comparison Frankfurt IS a village! It has only 660k inhabitants. I don't know too many cities packed with skyscrapers and supertalls which are 660k level. Look around in all of Europe: Apart from London and Paris there is nothing similar although there are many many much bigger cities: Milan, Rome, Madrid, Warsaw, Prague, Vienna, Bucharest, Budapest, Naples,.... they are all at least twice as big as Frankfurt and look at their skyscraper levels!

Would you consider San Francisco, Washington D.C., Amsterdam and Sydney to be villages as well? I guess not...



As for the "small town" attitude, sadly that's a problem in all of Germany and by no means restricted to Frankfurt. In fact, I would argue that Frankfurt is less affected by this than most places in this country (albeit still far too much for my liking). Thinking small has been deeply ingrained in the national psyche since after WWII.

That being said, this particular tower has already been approved and its construction is only a matter of finding a main tenant, not political will.

Sorry, but int'l comparison Frankfurt IS a village! It has only 660k inhabitants. I don't know too many cities packed with skyscrapers and supertalls which are 660k level.

compare Frankfurt to:
Auckland: 438,000
Sydney: 177,000
Melbourne: 71,000
Boston: 609,000
San Francisco: 808,000
Miami: 362,000
Gold Coast (au): 527,000
etc...

I could go on. But I think you get the point. A city is far more than just the political boundary. Auckland is a classic example right now as the cities surrounding it will soon amalgamate into one political area. This will increase the population of Auckland from 438,000 to 1.2million over night. But will Auckland suddenly feel three times larger? Absolutely not. Frankfurt has 670,000 in the city proper, 2.2million in the urban area and around 5million in the metropolitan area. This is not a village.

And before you write that this urban area or metropolitan area is not valid, or that is is so much different in other parts of the world, I have lived in other parts of the world. I've spent most of my life in Sydney which has only 177,000 in the city proper, 3million in the urban area and 4.2million in the metropolitan area (which is about the same size as the Rhein Main) and I can tell you that they operate exactly the same way. There are city's in the metropolitan area which are both as linked and isolated from downtown Sydney as any in the Rhein Main.


Look around in all of Europe: Apart from London and Paris there is nothing similar although there are many many much bigger cities: Milan, Rome, Madrid, Warsaw, Prague, Vienna, Bucharest, Budapest, Naples,.... they are all at least twice as big as Frankfurt and look at their skyscraper levels!


See my post where I wrote "outside of Europe". Europe itself has a distaste for skyscrapers and highrises. Frankfurt is actually one of the few exceptions where the general population of this city actually are quite proud of their skyscrapers.


Why packing a city with skyscrapers that are not needed? Construction of skyscrapers has nothing to with popularity - since they aren't the much hated residential highrises but commercials. If there is demand then there is construction and fullstop. Until now there is no need for T365, if there is, it gets built.

Actually, it also has a lot to do with politics and the developers in Frankfurt. I am friends with one of the leading architects who designed a number of the skyscrapers in Frankfurt and with his own firm. One major problem here is that developers are afraid of mixed developments. There would be a lot more skyscrapers in Frankfurt if these developers mixed apartments with offices like is the trend in other parts of the world. But they are still old school here and refuse to do this. The government doesn't help as it is not encouraging inner city apartment living which is also the trend in other cities around the world right now. Take Auckland for example where in the last five years 20,000 people have moved into new highrise downtown apartments.


And don't forget the prices for skyscraper construction in FFM! The new ECB should cost 1.4 billion Euros!!!! :ohno:
This is certainly expensive, but it is far more than a standard skyscraper, as it includes the massive heritage market hall, incredible security (being the central European Bank) and the large land area around it.

How a city grows depends a lot on the cities politics, the businesses that exist there and the public's attitudes. Frankfurt is a large city and an important one on a global scale. It's attitude though is not one of a large city. You can't even find a food outlet here open 24hours. I know small towns in backwater parts of New Zealand where you can eat 24hours a day. This city has a lot of potential. What is holding it back is people saying "We can't do that here, we're too small"

I would not refer to any city that has a population of 300,000 or more as a village. It would be a term of disparagement.

I would not refer to any city that has a population of 300,000 or more as a village. It would be a term of disparagement.

Exactly, yet the mayor of Frankfurt has been known to say this about Frankfurt.

compare Frankfurt to:
Sydney: 177,000
Melbourne: 71,000 Hmm... I don't know which Sydney you're referring to (Nova Scotia?) but the Sydney I live in has a population approaching 4.4 million, and Melbourne 3.9 million.

Hmm... I don't know which Sydney you're referring to (Nova Scotia?) but the Sydney I live in has a population approaching 4.4 million, and Melbourne 3.9 million.

Uhh, no.

Sydney, Australia has a population of 177,000. This is the city proper population, you know, the area which actually has a "Mayor". The political boundary, the "actual" city of Sydney. The rest (4.34million) is what is known as the "Metropolitan Area" and contains many other cities and covers more than 12,000km². It is officially called the "Sydney Statistical Area". It's area includes vast parts of the Blue Mountains, right across to the other side and the Central Coast.

Frankfurt also has a metropolitan area which is called the Rhein Main which covers about the same area and has over 5million people.

The political boundary of Frankfurt under a single mayor is the city of Frankfurt which has 670,000people.

The political boundary of Sydney under a single mayor is the city of Sydney which has 177,000people.

Uhh, no.
Sydney, Australia has a population of 177,000. This is the city proper population, you know, the area which actually has a "Mayor". The political boundary, the "actual" city of Sydney. The rest (4.34million) is what is known as the "Metropolitan Area" and contains many other cities and covers more than 12,000km². It is officially called the "Sydney Statistical Area". It's area includes vast parts of the Blue Mountains, right across to the other side and the Central Coast.
The political boundary of Sydney under a single mayor is the city of Sydney which has 177,000people.Mate, I'm not going to argue with you. I live here. The City of Sydney you're referring to is just one of the many local councils within Sydney and only covers the CBD and immediate surrounds. It has a ceremonial mayor, like most of the other district councils. You may as well claim that London comprises the City and nothng else.
Sydney has a population of about 4.4 million. If you choose to believe otherwise, that's your perogative.

Mate, I'm not going to argue with you. I live here. The City of Sydney you're referring to is just one of the many local councils within Sydney and only covers the CBD and immediate surrounds. It has a ceremonial mayor, like most of the other district councils. You may as well claim that London comprises the City and nothng else.
Sydney has a population of about 4.4 million. If you choose to believe otherwise, that's your perogative.

Mate, I'm also Australian and from Sydney, so I also know what I am talking about regarding.

So, may I ask who exactly is the mayor of the city of 4.4million you describe? There is no single Mayor. That 4.4million area is a regional demographic called the Sydney Statistical Division. The Mayor of "Sydney" has no official powers over any of the other cities or municipalities within the Sydney Statistical Division, just as the Mayor of Frankfurt has no official control over any of the other cities within the Rhein Main.
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/105Population/People12002-2006?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=105&issue=2002-2006
It covers over 12,000km² and as you can see from this map it goes all the way to the other side of the Blue Mountains, North to Lake Macquarie and South to Bargo.
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/tdc/statistics/Sydney-SD.pdf

Just a reference for those not familiar to Sydney. Mt Victoria, on the Western edge is a 2hour and 25minute train journey from Sydney Central Station.

What you are saying Zollern, if I understand you correctly. Is that it is fully acceptable to consider Mt Victoria on the otherside of the Blue Mountains, 2hours and 25minutes away from Sydney Central Station and separated by a vast National Park, Bush and Forest, which doesn't come under the same Mayor as Sydney nor is it in any way related to the Sydney Urban area as "Sydney"... but it is not for instance acceptable to consider Offenbach, a 20minute ride by BICYCLE from central Frankfurt, fully within the Urban Area and directly connected to be considered part of Frankfurt's metropolitan area?

There are different ways to calculate a cities population. One is the city proper, and this is based on a political boundary. Another is the Urban area which is generally the population until you reach the countryside. It does get more complicated than this, but that is the basic rule. Thirdly, there is a metropolitan area figure which is what the Sydney 4.4million is. This is usually a statistical area and in most cases is based on commuter percentages.

Frankfurt also has a metropolitan area that works in very much the same way as Sydney's. It is called the Rhein Main and also includes, just as Sydney's does many other councils.

By the way, as for your reference to London, don't even go there. London had an amalgamation of boroughs which brought a large chunk of the direct urban area into a single government body which is now known as "Greater London". This is a political boundary with a Mayor and in the global sense, the "City Proper". It is NOT however, the full extent of the urban area or metropolitan area and not to be confused with the generic term "Greater" when used with other cities around the world.

The fact remains that the direct equivilent of Frankfurt's city proper is the City of Sydney which has 177,000 people.

If you want to use the 4.4million figure, which by the way is totally fine with me as it is a very valid region, then you have to compare it with the equivilent region in Frankfurt.

Here is the metropolitan region info if you need it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt/Rhine-Main_Metropolitan_Region

Wow.......Frankfurt skyline is getting more beautiful...This new building will turn its skyline towards a contemporary world!...I think it's probably the only one in Europe so far that can get in the same spot with most American and Asian cities...

Its approved...

evidence???




Any actual renders...

No one

Its approved...

evidence???




Any actual renders...

No one


just believe it, it is approved.

Its approved...

evidence???




Any actual renders...

No one

it has been approved by the city in 2001. there was even an official symbolic foundation stone laying ceremony with the developer and the mayor back then (you just need to google).

there was a very detailed model of the tower (maybe someone can post a photo of it) presented by the developer and renderings (of one possible design), you can check the thread for them.

after years of rumours (one of them being that trump was gonna take over the project) there was a standstill in this project, until recently, when the developer decided to market the tower on a real estate fair in dubai.

however the tower was never more than just an option that was supposed to be developed after all other vivico projects are built. some of them are already under way (tower 185, or the european quarter buildings, some of them are about to start (the grand hyatt tower or the skyline plaza), and some have been put on hold (T 1 tower). only when all this is built, T 365 has a chance.

so, there is no need to doubt the approval of the project. it doesn't mean it will get built anytime soon though ...


edit: it was approved in may 2001, I just checked again ...

Uhh, no.

Sydney, Australia has a population of 177,000. This is the city proper population, you know, the area which actually has a "Mayor". The political boundary, the "actual" city of Sydney. The rest (4.34million) is what is known as the "Metropolitan Area" and contains many other cities and covers more than 12,000km². It is officially called the "Sydney Statistical Area". It's area includes vast parts of the Blue Mountains, right across to the other side and the Central Coast.

Frankfurt also has a metropolitan area which is called the Rhein Main which covers about the same area and has over 5million people.

The political boundary of Frankfurt under a single mayor is the city of Frankfurt which has 670,000people.

The political boundary of Sydney under a single mayor is the city of Sydney which has 177,000people.

Rhein-Main area is about 3.8 million, all other is an inflation extending to areas which I wouldn't call a metropolitan area. Otherwise Rhein-Main would be as huge as Ruhr area - and this is not comparable!

Wow.......Frankfurt skyline is getting more beautiful...This new building will turn its skyline towards a contemporary world!...I think it's probably the only one in Europe so far that can get in the same spot with most American and Asian cities...

Huh? Paris, London, Moscow!? :lol::lol::lol:

According to Wikipedia;

"The Millennium Tower is a proposed supertall high-rise building planned for completion by 2011."

So this will be completed by then?

Most certainly not.

According to Wikipedia;

"The Millennium Tower is a proposed supertall high-rise building planned for completion by 2011."

So this will be completed by then?

If they start today and with today and I mean now, not tomorrow, now. Than maybe the foundation is ready in 2011:lol: Unless they are going to use some robot slaves to build it.

I hoped for some news... :bash:

Damn, seriously when are they going to start to bulding?

Does anybody have a picture where the buildning will stand?

Damn, seriously when are they going to start to bulding?

Does anybody have a picture where the buildning will stand?

When? Not even the investors know. But it is unlikely to be built before the completion of neighbouring Skyline Plaza...
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5558/tower185render03.jpg
Would be left hand side behind this tower (which is currently under construction)... :cheers:
http://www.hostpix.de/071228/leq3ZWsw.jpg

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nice one, I hope it will build soon.

nice. :)

Wow.......Frankfurt skyline is getting more beautiful...This new building will turn its skyline towards a contemporary world!...I think it's probably the only one in Europe so far that can get in the same spot with most American and Asian cities...

looks so true. :)

nice. :)

Damn, seriously when are they going to start to bulding?

Does anybody have a picture where the buildning will stand?

Sure, are they supposed to be a low-rise? :)

http://www.hostpix.de/071228/leq3ZWsw.jpg

Do I need glasses or there is another HUGE empty plot in the very bottom left of this picture? Any plans for this spot if I'm correct?

http://www.rhein-main-wiki.de/images/f/f9/Planeuropaviertel.jpeg

It is the part left of the middle with more greenery,... :)

Here as PDF in high resolution:
http://www.stvv.frankfurt.de/parlisobj/M_127_2008_AN3.pdf

Here the explanation:
http://de.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dewiki/414671

Danke schone!

Welcome!

Excellent. :)

I really hope that this one will be build in the near future.

It is already being traded by Auris Real Estate...

Are you sure Skyline_FFM? I can´t find a homepage or any other information of an "Auris Real Estate" in the internet. Where did you get this information?

And the PDF file doesn´t seam to be up to date. There is the old layout of Tower 185 and Tower 2, now "Grand Hyatt", is actually planned with an other heigh.

Are you sure Skyline_FFM? I can´t find a homepage or any other information of an "Auris Real Estate" in the internet. Where did you get this information?

And the PDF file doesn´t seam to be up to date. There is the old layout of Tower 185 and Tower 2, now "Grand Hyatt", is actually planned with an other heigh.

Not the Tower is being traded by Aurelis, but the area I was talking about earlier of the Europaviertel. Sorry it was a mistake I made AURELIS, not Auris. Sometime one should read again after writing... :lol:
http://www.aurelis-real-estate.com/referenzen/entwicklungen/frankfurt/frankfurt_intro.html

No news???

If there were any news they would have been posted already.

how is this approved anyway, we will never build it i gave up wishing long ago :(

I agree you cant take this serious.

del

Beautiful design :cheers:

A small situation report ...

"... vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage und Ihr Interesse an unserem sog. Tower 365. Die Entwicklung des Towers ruht derzeit. Für ein Projekt dieser Größenordnung müssen sich die Marktvoraussetzungen entsprechend darstellen. Wie Sie vermutlich wissen realisieren wir derzeit den Tower 185, der Ende diesen Jahres fertig gestellt sein wird. Neben dem Tower 365 haben wir zudem noch das Baurecht für den sog. Tower 1 auf dem benachbarten Grundstück. Tower 1 hat eine Höhe von ca. 210 Metern. Auch hier wird die Marktnachfrage über den Realisierungszeitpunkt entscheiden."

Development of the project is currently pausing.

^^ That was really bad news

better hearing its on hold than not hearing anything of it for years :( i still hope my country will soon build its first supertall in frankfurt, it just has to to compete with london, paris and moscow :nuts:

Yeah, at least it's still on the table instead of cancelled entirely.

I can do perfectly without the Tower365. I'd rather like to see a supertall rise somewhere in the financial district, really buidling a new pinnacle of the skyline seen from the important views.

The "Max Tower" by Deutsche Bank would be a candidate for this, but probably another investor would have to build it.

i never heard of the max tower. is there a thread for it or something so i can inform myself?

I can do perfectly without the Tower365. I'd rather like to see a supertall rise somewhere in the financial district, really buidling a new pinnacle of the skyline seen from the important views.

The "Max Tower" by Deutsche Bank would be a candidate for this, but probably another investor would have to build it.

I second that, a supertall in the financial district is also on top of my wish list. But I wouldn't mind T365 as well...:)

i never heard of the max tower. is there a thread for it or something so i can inform myself?

You can check several proposed designs of the DB Max Tower there (there have been 100+ concepts):

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=259026


It's an ages old proposal and completely dead I think.
But the location isn't all that dead I guess, so we might see something rising there in a not too distant future. Marieninsel (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=129067&highlight=marieninsel) would be another location that is more likely though.

^^ directly next to commerzbank is an amazing location. Milleniumtower's location is kinda nearer to the Messeturm though, so i like that location too.

europe need this tower soon as possible please.

europe need this tower soon as possible please.

keep fingers crossed mate :yes:


il fenomeno just created a new rendering for the near future of the area where T365 / T350 hopefully gets build one day.

just look ... the location of T365 / T350 is kinda behind T185 (golden shining skyscraper in the middle of the picture)

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1lui1.jpg

Such a supertall in Europe would be awesome :banana2:

Beautiful building!

hail il fenomeno 4 this outstanding render vision of the MT :master:


http://www.abload.de/img/milleniumcd4k.jpg

keep fingers crossed for Frankfurts supertall .... :drool:

I think Frankfurt deserves supertall more than any other city in EU. Hope this one will be build. BTW Messeturm would be dwarfed :D

Messeturm will only be dwarfed when seen from a distance.

That is what i am talking about, quality skyscraper and i wish this would be built in Frankfurt.

10/10 because you're my type and taste :kiss:

What are the chances of seeing this baby become reality?

hail il fenomeno 4 this outstanding render vision of the MT :master:

:master:

Stunning picture! I love the design, it would be really amazing if it could get built like that!


I guess this version is still more likely to get built actually, isn't it?

FFM 2020 (buldings next to ECB are already commpleated)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o122/realJot/frankfurt-all-projects.jpg

What are the chances of seeing this baby become reality?

With flying parts like in the ("fan"-)rendering? 0% :nuts:


For the MT in general, maybe.... 5% in the 5 years. :( There are too many proposed projects atm :(

So, this babe has not been approved yet? :pet:

I was even expecting for a completion date :ohno:

Hope a final design for this tower is released so that it will not look like its floorplates are detached from its central core.

Jisses is this project still dead? RIP supertall...

Jisses is this project still dead? RIP supertall...

nope, it isn't dead.

nope, it isn't dead.

but asleep. no news in a long time. and probably won't be built in the near future. :ohno:

but asleep. no news in a long time. and probably won't be built in the near future. :ohno:

they need tentants before they will start with this project. and that probably won't happen in the near future...unfortunately :(.

It would be a great favour to Frankfurt if it was never built.
Another example of de-humanising a city just for the sake of some architect's ego! Think we've seen enough of that.

I hope this tower will be built someday. The skyline of Frankfurt could use a new tallest building.

Will there be an observationplatform on the tower?

Will there be an observationplatform on the tower?

impossible to say at the moment.

I'm not in favour of this being at the trade fair, never liked the location of MT. It would make Frankfurt's skyline rather imbalanced.
If the city gets a new tallest, it should be right in the financial cluster, somewhere next to the Commerzbank, favourably to the right of it. As a real skyline peak.

they need tentants before they will start with this project. and that probably won't happen in the near future...unfortunately :(.

project is on hold, at the moment they focus on "Tower One". T365/350 will follow afterwards! :)

Frankfurt really needs a tower of this height. I think it will be the tallest in Europe when complete..(I'm not bringing Russia in)

well im german, so i really really really want this to get built, but if it does it will take some more years to even get started which is quite sad. :ohno:

I hope it gets built and I'm not German. But Frankfurt has the best euro skyline and this would make it even better

^^ You don't need to be german to appreciate or hope this tower gets built, lol! What I like about this is the cylindrical form and it's sleekness.

what you see on these renders will probably never be the final design ^^

sure hope this goes up! hopefully if it does I can get some pics :)