MILLENNIUM TOWER FRANKFURT


tower has been approved in 2001, since then it has been on hold, due to lack of tenants, current boom has brought the project back, marketing has started
symbolic foundation stone was laid
the MT is located next to MesseTurm, the FRANKFURT | UEC | 212m | 52 fl | 160m | 40 fl | App (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=480449) and the FRANKFURT | PricewaterhouseCoopers Tower | 185m | Pro (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636)
developer is Vivico
the project will be officially presented on October 16th 2007 in Dubai at the Cityscape Trade Fair
the latest version has been cut from 369m (97 floors) to 350m
one third of the building is residential, two thirds are offices


http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/21/mt2jh2.jpg

pic shows version from Albert Speer & Partners architects


Skyline visualization:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o122/realJot/frankfurt-all-projects.jpg

Nice look, but probably a good idea to change the name. It's a bit late to be the "Millennium" anything.

i really hope it will be build.

but did i read right? it will be presented in Dubai??

yes. here: http://www.cityscape.ae/index.html

The skyline of Frankfurt is seem to be to expand very fast.

http://www.seitenstark.de/wm2006/staedte/frankfurt/frankfurt-skyline.jpg

http://www.duitsland-info.nl/afbeeldingen/frankfurt001.jpg

In 2004: 645.000 inhabitants.

these pics are a bit old, there are a few towers missing. and frankfurt city grew since then to 662,000 ppl.

erm.. r u shure that it's gonna be "only" 350m tall? is there a official statement from vivico? by now everything between 350m and 380m was possible..
but its good that someone finally has started this thread thx :D

I guess we have to wait for the official announcement. but according to immobilienzeitung it's supposed to be 350m

Nice tower, will look different!

Very nice altitude for Frankfurt. Hope will be built soon.

Nice design..

Another supertall proposed in Europe, I hope it will build!

Great news for Frankfurt. It's nice to see a resurgence there in skyscraper development. The skyline, though one of the world's best, could use some more modern buildings.

pic shows version from Albert Speer & Partners architects

Albert Speer? that Albert Speer? or is a son?

^^ it's his son..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer_%28the_younger%29

i just found another render of this tower :)
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4623/mt12gc6.jpg

Awesome! A supertall for Europe! :D

cool render, never seen it before

i'm not sure if I like the design or not.At least,it's another supertall for Europe and that's good.

woow..ohne scheiss?i hope it gets built,then frankfurt certainly gonna have a world-class skyline!when will it be finished?

there is no completion date at all. maybe in five years :lol: but only if vivico sucessfully manages to get a main tenant for the building and thats not safe ! i also think they will change the design after an architectural competition. this is not the final design, there is even another one on emporis.com:
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=millenniumtower-frankfurt-germany

lets hope the best for vivico :cheers:

yeah great!! i think the design looks a bit average but never mind!!! it's going to be 350 meters!!!!!!!

when will it start is the another question ;)

project planner Vivico plans to market that project and so they'll re-present it in Dubai, in hope to find a global concern which would establish its european headquarters in the millenium tower. let's hope they'll be successfull :)

when will it start is the another question ;)

i personally don't think this will happen in the next 5 years

WOW! Looks superb! Excellent for Frankfurt! Their skyline will go from great to greater!

excellent design, it is going to marvelous for Frankfurt skyline, well, it is already one of the best skylines in the world now.

i think this would be a great addition to an already great skyline!

Looks nice. Hope that they get those tenants they need.

woooow huge complex!!! i like it:)

That skyline is impressive.

I like the whole complex, very nice designs !

Nice development.

Where would it be in the skyline?
http://www.seitenstark.de/wm2006/staedte/frankfurt/frankfurt-skyline.jpg

I really like it, great contribution to Frankfurt skyline.

woow..ohne scheiss?i hope it gets built,then frankfurt certainly gonna have a world-class skyline!when will it be finished?

"world class"?
calm down! The twoer ist on hold and there is no new announcement, that it's gonna be build!

yehaa... finally a project from Frankfurt in the supertall section... :okay:

instead of speculating we should wait for the official announcement in dubai

i hope its right....


http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5457/frankfurtskylineoz9.jpg


from left to right:

T185 (PwC): construction start 2008
Millenium Tower
Skyper: Build
Kaiserkarree: construction start 2008
ECB Skytower: construcion start 2008
Opernturm: under construction
Parktower: under construction

What a surprise!
The tower is not exactly a beauty but Frankfurt needs a really tall scraper and then again its not an ugly building either.

Where would it be in the skyline?
http://www.seitenstark.de/wm2006/staedte/frankfurt/frankfurt-skyline.jpg
If you look from the East like above, it would stand tall at the left edge of the cluster. The Messeturm with the pyramidal top further central in the pic would be the closest neighbour.

That's a nice view... but the photo is rather dated; taken around 2000, when Main Plaza (the 88m-tower with the crane in the middle distance to the left of Main River) was under construction. In those days, the project was hot, as the name "Millennium Tower" tells. This building is the tallest project of the Hochhausrahmenplan 1998, a huge masterplan for new highrise developments all over the city of Frankfurt. Although 16 of the towers got the approval, not much has happened since. The development zone Parkviertel at the railway station has been cancelled, while most of the highrises in the Bankenviertel (the rising Opernturm and FrankfurtHochVier weren't part of that Hochhausrahmenplan) and the Europaviertel/Messe are somewhere in the pipeline, and I don't know which of these towers will come to reality... including Millennium Tower. :dunno:

So it's amazing that this thread lists in the u/c-section right between the big born babies like Burj Dubai and SWFC... : :nuts:. But as I once had been quite pessimistic about latter, too, there's still a chance! :D

Here's a pic posted in an archived thread from the Deutsche Hochaus Forum from 2003 (http://www.forenfuchs.de/cgi/forenserver/foren/F_1157/cutecast.pl?forum=75&thread=47), credits go to Oliver:
http://hometown.aol.de/KG120668/MT--TO--SK.JPG
This is the design by Albert Speer to the right, rather looking similar as the smaller Tower One (supposed 212m) of the Urban Entertainment Center project in the center, also planned by Vivico. I'd have preferred the more innovative Mueller Jourdan proposal, but would be happy to see green light for a supertall at the Millenniumtower site someday... :master:

edit: carst0rnHH was quicker than me; I didn't see his posting... thanks for adding Millennium Tower, the recent u/c-towers and approved projects to this photo. Good work, thanx!

totgesagte leben bekanntlich länger.. .i like the design, it could be a nice addition to the skyline.

i hope its right....


http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5457/frankfurtskylineoz9.jpg


from left to right:

T185 (PwC): construction start 2008
Millenium Tower
Skyper: Build
Kaiserkarree: construction start 2008
ECB Skytower: construcion start 2008
Opernturm: under construction
Parktower: under construction


I think the Opernturm is ab bit too far on the right side, but the rest should be ok! thx

the millennium tower is certainly a new dimension for frankfurt.

carts0rnHH, how about adding the UEC, which will also start in 2008 ?

never heard of this city before... :ohno:

beautiful skyline... and do i see fields just next to the city??? :nuts: :lol:

errr where have you been!!???

^^ ^^ :wtf: have you been living in a cave? :lol:

never heard of this city before... :ohno:

beautiful skyline... and do i see fields just next to the city??? :nuts: :lol:

lol haha you're from quebec right!

^^ maybe he's not from Europe and that will explain that partialy :lol:

nice lookin tower! :cool:

This would be too awesome.

I think the Opernturm is ab bit too far on the right side, but the rest should be ok! thx

Yes, the opernturm should be closer to the Deutsche Bank twins. But great visualisation. thanks @carst0rnHH.

not bad tower. but Deutsche Bank is better for my, also is the best skyscraper in europe :)

This will easily be Germany's tallest building if built, ousting Commerzbank 259 m (850 ft) from 1st place. It will also be Europe tallest excluding Russia if built

tallest building yes, but unfortunately only the 2nd tallest structure after the Fernsehturm in Berlin. i hope they'll increase the height again to over 368m like in the old plan

Nice building! London and Paris have been dominating European skyscraper construction, so it's nice to see other cities join them.

tallest building yes, but unfortunately only the 2nd tallest structure after the Fernsehturm in Berlin. i hope they'll increase the height again to over 368m like in the old plan

And don't forget the two "Langwellensender Donebach" with each 363m which already had been the tallest structure in (west-)germany.
there is also the Chicago Square project in Hamburg with skyscrapers up to 350m. but who knows...the realisation of that one in hamburg seems even a lot more unrealistic than the Millenium Tower...

How many square meters will that tower add to the corporate office market?

And don't forget the two "Langwellensender Donebach" with each 363m which already had been the tallest structure in (west-)germany.
there is also the Chicago Square project in Hamburg with skyscrapers up to 350m. but who knows...the realisation of that one in hamburg seems even a lot more unrealistic than the Millenium Tower...

BOTH won't be build, for sure!
Too expensive and no need for it!

Let's talk about your comment again in maybe 6 or 7 years or maybe 10 :lol:
but no need to say it's never gonna be built and no need to say that it is gonna be built in the next 2 or 3 years but sooner or later they will built it(millennium tower)

And don't forget the two "Langwellensender Donebach" with each 363m which already had been the tallest structure in (west-)germany.
there is also the Chicago Square project in Hamburg with skyscrapers up to 350m. but who knows...the realisation of that one in hamburg seems even a lot more unrealistic than the Millenium Tower...

whats Chicago square never heard of....

^^
http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell/pressemeldungen/2006/maerz/01/2005-03-01-bsu-chicagosquare.html
but this is now getting off-topic ..

omfg....the stone is there already..wtFFFFFFF??????
and thes bitches(yes im rick james) dont start...
and yes please get it back to 368 or taller...frankfurt needs a supertall

anything happend on that thing in dubai??

i asked imre to take some pics from it :)

anything happend on that thing in dubai??

Why did you post your message in the Frankfurt-Thread? Just to get it on a high rank again?

Plz post your messages in threads where they belong!

i asked imre to take some pics from it :)

I will check on Thursday but I havent found in the exhibitors list which is their stand.

Why did you post your message in the Frankfurt-Thread? Just to get it on a high rank again?

Plz post your messages in threads where they belong!

:wallbash:

the cityscape expo is going out now in Dubai (Oct 16-18), and that is where the Millennium Tower Project will be/has been presented to find an anchor tenant.

just read the first post in this thread.

and don't mess with kmuffi, otherwise, FFM-Nordweststadt will overroll you :D

will it be build now or not?and when?

:bash::wallbash:

:wallbash:

the cityscape expo is going out now in Dubai (Oct 16-18), and that is where the Millennium Tower Project will be/has been presented to find an anchor tenant.

just read the first post in this thread.

and don't mess with kmuffi, otherwise, FFM-Nordweststadt will overroll you :D

yap..:lol:
i hop they find someone

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A great project.

Let's hope it'll get built. ;)

And now a few Pictures from an exhibiton where the developer vivico showed the Europe Quarters, inclusive the Millennium Tower:

http://img131.exs.cx/img131/2036/eviertel05.jpg

http://img80.exs.cx/img80/1526/eviertel09.jpg

Credit: Schmittchen, www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de

Fits very good in the actual skyline, really amazing tower!!!

It's an uncompromising design. I love it !

wow....gotta be built...
did vivico get anybody in dubai or when will it be decided?

Wonderful tower, nice design. And tall...

the design is ok,a bit boring though,but it certainly will fit good into the skyline!

Awesome news..!!!!

For a west european supertall the design is incredibly dull, though the height is impressive. We'll have to see if they manage to find an anchor tenant...

18/October/2007

Cityscape 2007

FRANKFURT, Millennium Tower

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WOW, amazing news for Frankfurt :O

Thank you Imre :okay:, you're the best :)!!!

What are we supposed to celebrate ?

The model at the Dubai exhibition is definitely a good news, but was there an announcement about the start of the construction ?

The model at the Dubai exhibition is definitely a good news, but was there an announcement about the start of the construction ?

no, unfortunately not :(

but maybe it is a good sign that they present it at Ctiyscape....who knows :)

so they didnt find an anchor?....

Beauty!

I think we definetly don't see kinda final design on all the published models and renders, it's probably going to be changed in many details, despite the fact it didn't changed its face that much since 1999...

1999, Render from Albert Speer architects
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3914/frankfurtmilleniumtowerdm9.jpg

2007
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6678/frankfurtmilleniumtowertx7.jpg

That would be way to uninspiring for Germany's tallest and I think we can surely hope for a tiny surprise according to Frankfurt's superior surprising factor ;)

Btw, I've found an aerial plan on it, including the MillenniumTower and other proposed towers of the new Europaviertel:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1156/frankfurtmilleniumtowernr4.jpg

I like it. Height and design will perfect fit in the skyline of Frankfurt.

Fantastic news, I hope they find an investor soon. But as far as I know vivico, they will not announce something before it is definitly sure and a contract is signed. And regarding the height, vivico always mentions the net height not including technical floors, see UEC Tower 1 - 195m + technical floors = 212m. And when looking at the UEC project itsself they also try to apply the "net-rule" to the retail area... :lol:

from what is there the "dachgarten"?(roofgarden)
and the shadows are not realistic :D

But the height is not right, it will have 378m according to VIVICO!

and the thread says 350..hmmmmm mysterious xD
lets add all the heights together :D

But the height is not right, it will have 378m according to VIVICO!

What's your source? Link?

I wrote VIVICO an e-mail last year. And they answered me. But they also said that MT will only be built when the other towers are finished, because of technical reasons and because of the saturation of the market...

It would be nice to see this built, but I highly doubt it will!

the hope dies last :)

It is probably more a question of patience. I have no doubt that it will be built, the question is when. But we will see. :)

I wrote VIVICO an e-mail last year. And they answered me. But they also said that MT will only be built when the other towers are finished, because of technical reasons and because of the saturation of the market...

thx for the information.

I scanned the brochure which I got from the Vivico.

I asked the final height , 350 m is the official but could be higher.

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thx imre, i expected some more information...the brochure is not a good one...vivico did a bad job in that in my opinion.

Thanx for the info ... well the brochure says 350m maximum height.

damn it, that would be nearly 100 meters more than the actual german record, this project is so awesome!!!

typical vivico. but I guess they dont want to publish too much to soon (see the pwc tower). atleast we know that this project is moving forward.

But unless they find an anchor tenant I can't see this getting built...and in the current climate finding one may be difficult, as pretty much every project in London is discovering...

there is a boom in frankfurt right now. all new projects (and there are several coming up now) have anchor tenants - in the past few weeks we had surprising news about several new skyscraper projects - all of them have anchor tenants.
there has never been a better time for a new skyscraper in frankfurt than now. the rents are rising, the vacancy rates are falling and there are no large spaces in the city center available anymore.

indeed, that's why i've a good feeling with the MT

yup...i hope its getting built before 2010 :D

there has never been a better time for a new skyscraper in frankfurt than now. the rents are rising, the vacancy rates are falling and there are no large spaces in the city center available anymore.

That the kind of news I like.

Hopefully, a couple of large projects will materialize, and not only a dozen of medium-size skyscrapers.

the projects are all over 150m. but nothing revolutionary, apart from the ecb maybe. and the millennium tower isn't exactly state of the art either. unfortunately ...

that's correct, the design is really nothing specieal. neither at all the new towers nor on MT but better than nothing definitely :)

I agree. Ive never liked this boring design. A supertall would be great for Frankfurt but not this one.

Nice building!

:eek2::applause::applause::applause:

Would you please stop to spam that in every thread :bash:!!!

Millenium Tower is like "we'll be on mars in 2050"!
Frankfurt wonÄt have a supertall for anytime! Why should they have one? You can't compare Frankfurt with New York, Paris oder London!
Too small for a supertall! It wouldn't be profitable!

:deadthrea

the size of a city has little to do with the height of a highrise. now thats one silly argument. how old are you, 12?

in the greater Frankfurt area live about 4,5 mio people...

a little disappointed hannoveraner :ohno:
hannover hasn't even one skyscraper. go ahead bashing frankfurt, but you have to admit, the chance for supertalls in ffm is higher than in hannover. envy frankfurt, but everyone else (no matter if they are from frankfurt or not (even I'm not from ffm )) would be happy when it's going to be built. you ought to shut up. you suck, jerk!

I like the building, but the name is quite tacky, unimaginative and of course a little tardy:lol:
Frankfurt is the right place for it, at least in germany. It would be very alone in cities like berlin hamburg or munic, where is no accumulation of highrises, which could snuggle it:grouphug:

Im a hundred prozent sure they will change te name and by chance also the design so dont worry.

so then it wont be millenium tower...

no but at least a supertall for frankfurt ;)

other name other design..maybe other height?
(hope higher xD)

nobody knows

Last week a Frankfurt newspaper reported that there were several quite promising talks in Dubai. So the chances have increased a lot for this project. There seems to be high interest from private investors and also from official side. And as already assumed, the shown model is only a mass study and there remains quite some scope for a final design.

that sounds great :)

good news! i really hope for a more outstanding design!

and btw congrats for post #13000! :) ^^

^^ Yep! I'll second that!
You must have an integrated mini-Mac-nano-Pod-Book in your hand dude.

I mean come on!!! The guy joined up a year and a half ago...

Does anyone know the posting record... EVER by the way?

I think it's absolutly record score. 13000#(:nuts:) posts in year and half...-imposible.

Frankfurt congratulation for the highest tower in Europe! :cheers:

this one will unfortunately not be the tallest in europe :). a few towers from Moscow will be taller :)

this one will unfortunately not be the tallest in europe :). a few towers from Moscow will be taller :)

Ok then lets say tallest in European Union, to have at least one international record, lets just hope russia is not joining the EU :lol::lol:

ok, then the MT is the tallest skyscraper in europe :)

do the turks have a higher tower than the mt u/c or completed?
if they would then MT wouldnt be talles in EU for a long time....
since turkey want to join the EU ( i thinK)

no, in the Turkey is no supertall UC or completed

Aaah, you cheaty Frankfurt.. at last we have reached you, and now you'll have a (so much) taller one! Grrr :P

Grmuhm grhum...
Excuse me gentlemen, but before any such record as 'tallest EU building' is attributed to this still hypothetical project, allow me to remind you of the upcoming (mid-April 2008) Tour Signal project in La Défense which has been organised as an international contest with, I quote: "no height limit specified".
Given the fact that Paris has been pretty bold lately with the La Défense 2015 renewal plan (Morphosis speaks for itself), and that this project is supposed to be THE symbol of the Future for the business district, well don't give away the big award just yet...

That's all I'm saying.

Is there any information about a possible major tenant for the MT?

Even it may not be the highest building in europe/EU it will be a great asset to Frankfurt's skyline. I like the glass facade very much...

Aaah, you cheaty Frankfurt.. at last we have reached you, and now you'll have a (so much) taller one! Grrr :P

You have reached us in what?

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No life dude...

You have reached us in what?

yeah in what....

@ zmer : dont insult any ppl ...and dont spam in a supertall thread ..... maybe you could pm him!

this one will unfortunately not be the tallest in europe :). a few towers from Moscow will be taller :)

In my opinion (I know formally it's wrong) Moscow is in Asia, not in Europe.:ohno:

^^ sorry, but that's ridiculous

I'm not a supporter of 'categorizing' nations into separated regions. Russia has links with (eastern) europe because of a shared history and religion, as well as with central asia for the same reason. Geographically it stretches over two continents (europe and asia). Culturally it is a link between the occidental europe, the orient and eastern asia.

If you are convinient with excluding moscow from europe so that europes tallest building will never be in russia - fine, but its still ridiculous...

Even if Millenium Tower would be europes tallest, it's still dwarfed by its asian and arabian competitors. Let's just hope, that MT etc. start a new round of supertalls in europe...

yea fatcat is right....
frankfurt is booming with supertalls after MT :D
i think you cant compare arabians(dubai?) with europe....
in dubai one sheikh got the money all people in frankfurt have.... xD
if you dont know what im talking about...i dont not it either :D
i dont care anymore if russia(moscow) got taller towers than frankfurt since i got my first warning because of that reason T.T

In my opinion (I know formally it's wrong) Moscow is in Asia, not in Europe.:ohno:

It is necessary to go to school is better! :)

the projects are all over 150m. but nothing revolutionary, apart from the ecb maybe. and the millennium tower isn't exactly state of the art either. unfortunately ...

i like the design by Albert Speer, probably lead by my love for something timeless like the fantastic design of the World Trade Center. i fuckin miss this building :( :( :(

In my opinion (I know formally it's wrong) Moscow is in Asia, not in Europe.:ohno:

Well, if you exclude Russia from Europe, then you have to exclude Poland as well, since it's located in about same part of the world and populated by about same group of Indo-Europeans...

frankfurt is booming with supertalls after MT :D
i think you cant compare arabians(dubai?) with europe....


Why should anyone bother comparing Europe to poppin' kitsch lego-looking empty towers in the Mid-East anyway? There's enough heritage here to not need to play that game. Supertalls are everything. OK, maybe it's not the right place to argue as such, I'll give you that one...

As for Russia, Europe or Asia is both wrong!!!!
How many times will I have to explain this:
IT'S TOO DAMN BIG TO NOT BE A CONTINENT OF ITS OWN!!!

nice building....
the design is a little futuristic

WOOOOOOOOW tall and precious design. Congratulations to Germany

it isnt U/C yet...

Awesome height, awesome desing. Congrats Frankfurt, when its supposed to be finished.

the design maybe will be changed..and its not really clear if the tower will be built (with this height)

hopefully it will get built,Frankfurt needs a new landmark,but the design is a bit too boring!

well frankfurt has best skyline of germany and truly believe of europe too. this will add to its beauty.

^^ sorry, but that's ridiculous

I'm not a supporter of 'categorizing' nations into separated regions. Russia has links with (eastern) europe because of a shared history and religion, as well as with central asia for the same reason. Geographically it stretches over two continents (europe and asia). Culturally it is a link between the occidental europe, the orient and eastern asia.

If you are convinient with excluding moscow from europe so that europes tallest building will never be in russia - fine, but its still ridiculous...

Even if Millenium Tower would be europes tallest, it's still dwarfed by its asian and arabian competitors. Let's just hope, that MT etc. start a new round of supertalls in europe...

Oh yes, a 650,000 city is dwarfed by enormous non-controlled exploding megacities with no sustainable development,... :ohno:
If with Arab competitors you want to say Dubai, well then evry city is dwarfed, since there is no other city that builds as many supertalls at the same time as Dubai - but other cities build what they NEED and not to show off... I prefer an occupied 350m building to an empty 600m building. And the European economies are far more developed and saturated than the Asian and Arab ones, who still have a lot to compensate...

do the turks have a higher tower than the mt u/c or completed?
if they would then MT wouldnt be talles in EU for a long time....
since turkey want to join the EU ( i thinK)

This is the point. They WANT to but they haven't yet and cannot join before 2020, IF so. They are not yet ready for EU. Many things have to improve: Reducing poverty (it is still a 3rd
World country with about one of the worst HDIs of Europe), as well as human rights and many other things like withdrawal from Cyprus, admitting the Armanian genocide, full civil rights for the Kurdish population etc. I don't see any challenge in Turkish positions towards these topics!

You have reached us in what?

In number of 200m+es!!! :D Four in Madrid and 4 in Frankfurt,....

In my opinion (I know formally it's wrong) Moscow is in Asia, not in Europe.:ohno:

Then, Warszawa is in Asia too....

^^ Since Moscow is West from the Ural Mountain range, it is in plain EUROPE!!!! Some people need some geography lessons,...

this thread is about the Millennium Tower......not European geography.

and they talk about the MT and if he is the tallest Tower in EU Europe and so on..blabla

C'mon Frankfurt, let this dream come true! :)

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4728/milleniumtower3hf.jpg

Me wanna have sis now in my Citei

I really appreciate! Wonderful job!

does anybody have a google earth screenshot to see where it is located exactly?
i only know that it is around messeturm

Wonderful!

any news about the project?!

when there are news they'll be postet ;)

@ kmuffi
i hope i have marked it right

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The tower is amazing, just like Frankfurt, well done Frankfurt!!! And its a massive building too!!!

The most original tower... of 1970.

Great Proyect! Frankfurt keep booming :okay:

Frankfurt needs that tower (with another design) ^_^

^^yeah!^^

yes, no doubt! :).frankfurt is more than ready for a supertall i think

The most original tower... of 1970.

Show me just one tower of 1970 that looks like the MT renders, buddy.

Nevertheless I gotta agree that the design could be more striking somehow. But I guess the current models would spawn a timeless tower, unlike the lion's share that is about to be build these days - just look at Dubai, many of its tower will look quite outdated in, let's say, 15-20 years.

now zetzet is crying...thanks revillo :D

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^^^^nice rendering, but wrong thread ;)

Fantastic. Could "Dildo-Portal" be a germane name?

:lol:.....yes :)

i want my supertall for Frankfurt :(

me toooo!!!! no news about it?!:bash::ohno::nuts:

no, unfortunately not

First it was 369 metres and 97 floors, then it had 350 metres 91 floors, now if you want 100 floors in this tower, increase the height to 370 metres.

I've sent an Email to Vivico, gonna receive an answer in January about the status of the MT.

Let us know about the answer :D

Frankfurt is (IMO) one of the world's best skylines, I hope this tower is added to it....!!!!

Very cool project.

I've sent an Email to Vivico, gonna receive an answer in January about the status of the MT.

Do you have received the Email?
Or does anybody know something new?

Hopefully the MT gets build. Frankfurt needs his first supertall. :cheers:

they don't answer, looks like there is something in the bush.

damn!
i want him now!
or atleast the start in the next 2-3 years

i don't expect a construction start of the MT before 2010, but who knows....maybe we'll have a big surprise :)

At first it should get a fresh timeless design. Shouldn't be to exaggerated, but at least more recognizable somehow. Why not a 350m-copy of the Kaiserdom? Should be recognizable enough :colgate:

i personally like the current design a lot. it is timeless and simple, good for frankfurt IMO

^^ I don't think it's timeless. I don't like it now and I guess in about 20 years people will consider the current design as ugly as we consider some 60's- or 70's-designs today.

Just in order to show one of the renders again - a pure glassfacade like that might age pretty fast. If done right, it could be timeless thou.
But I think they should go for something more catchy, which suits Frankfurt nonetheless.
Something which has the ability to ovetrump the Messeturm in its class. That should be the objective target for the MillenniumTower. Hope it reaches at least a spark of that in the end.

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awesone!!
the design is nice.

the design is very nice but does anyone know whats going on with this tower on when its gonna be u/c?

no. the developer will first built other projects in their pipeline - a shopping center with a hotel tower (starting this year), an office tower (starting beginning of 2009) plus another office tower (no starting date yet), plus countless low rise buildings ... so nothing will happen in the next 2 or 3 years. unless they find an anchor tenant, like they did for the first office tower, or the hotel tower.

aww thats a pity nothing will really happen in two or three years nonetheless once built will signify frankfurt as one of the prime CBDs of europe very nice city

i bet the Millennium Tower will be built within in the next 2 years.

Not bad, I really like the design, it's cute and very sophisticate. And the Height isn't quite bad.

i bet the Millennium Tower will be built within in the next 2 years.

i personally don't think that ^^

Theres a lot of buildings called THE MILLENIUM TOWER.

probably about 7 of them!:ohno::ohno:

so it looks like the MT won't be built before the UEC towers will be built(@HD:the office and hotel tower you are talking about are the UEC towers,or are there maybe other towers i don't know about:?).Anyway lets hope the MT in FFM gets built in the next 5 years maybe,though i'm wondering about this project since its proposed for such a long time,but there never really where any serious attempts to build it AFAIK...

render by Stephan (http://www.xforen.de/archive/index.php/t-1001.html)

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"vielen Dank für Ihre Email und Ihr Interesse am Millennium Tower in Frankfurt.

Wie Sie vielleicht wissen, entwickeln wir derzeit das um den Millennium Tower liegende Europaviertel. Das Mövenpickhotel ist bereits gebaut und bezogen, die Infratsruktur und der Boulevard sind fertig gestellt und der Spatenstich für die Gebäude am Boulevard erfolgt Anfang November 07. All diese Projekte werden nutzerorientiert realisiert. Dies bedeutet, wir haben für die Projekte auch schon eine Vorvermietung, bzw. Nutzer. Gleiches gilt auch für den Millennium Tower. Auch hier möchten wir mit der Marktnachfrage reagieren. Deshalb auch die Präsentation auf der Cityscape - nicht um Investoren zu suchen, sondern um über Wege zu diskutieren, welche ersten Nutzer für den Millennium-Tower in Frage kommen könnten.

Wir würden uns auf der Messe nicht engagieren, wenn wir nicht auch sehr gute Chancen für das Projekt - schließlich der höchste Büroturm Europas- sehen würden. Allerdings geben wir bei solchen Projekten aus ganz unterschiedlichen Gründen nie einen Zeitraum für eine Fertigstellung ab."

short summary --> Vivico says that the chances to build the tower are extremely high.

Highest Office Tower in Europe?
Are the ones in Moscow mixed used?

short summary --> Vivico says that the chances to build the tower are extremely high.

didn't read that e-mail until now, sounds very good! i'm sure they'll build the tower but i'm not sure to see any progress in the next 1-2 years

Highest Office Tower in Europe?
Are the ones in Moscow mixed used?

yes they're!both FT and RT are mixed used.nice to hear from vivico that MT will get built,i think franfurt really needs some new towers,and this would be a great addition to the Frankfurt skyline

great addition to the Frankfurt skyline...very nice and modern structure! GO Frankfurt...

Looks kinda short on the picture above, shouldn't it be taller?

It looks great for the skyline:cheers:

oh man, this one fits perfectly with the skyline...though i personally think it should be about 20m taller

What a great project! Let's hope they build it soon!

Looks kinda short on the picture above, shouldn't it be taller?
Compared to the tip of the Messeturm (almost 100m shorter and only a little further away), this would be about the right size, I guess. The problem is the perspective: the used rendering has more a worm's-eye view to Millennium Tower, but from a distance of over 2km, you don't really look up to a skyscraper. So the curve to the top should almost be even, like Main Tower here. And if you add a little bit of haze to the shiny piece of the render, this might appear as it should: located further away than most of the skyline from that eastern point of view.

i bet the Millennium Tower will be built within in the next 2 years.

i want these drugs you take :nuts:

i want these drugs you take :nuts:

it's called hope compared with a little bit economy understanding.

i want these drugs you take :nuts:

Shut the @#$! up

Great project IMO

AMAZING!!! The skyline (if build) looks more end more like N.Y or other big city's! I forgot to tell that are many other skycrapers U/C at this moment if you all now! Look to the skyline in the years 2012-2015 it will be amazing!

Frankfurt will NEVER look like NYC ^^

Dubai will NEVER look like NYC ^^

who is talking about Dubai? ...

good news for frankfurt.

uups, I was in the wrong thread with my thoughts :D

Go Frankfurt :cheers:
Nice tower, nice height

Frankfurt will NEVER look like NYC ^^

Yes, and there is a reason for that. NYC has 8 mln inhabitants compared to 660,000 in FFM. And greater NYC comes up to 20 mln, FFM hardly has 4 mln,...

correct :).....but i personally can't imagine frankfurt with 4 million inhabitants

Greater Frankfurt!

wow FRANKFURT is a bit of a mini ny

What if the height of the Millennium tower were to be increased to 370 metres 100 floors? Would you like that option? If it were 350 metres, it should have about 90 floors. Either way, 30 floors are to be used for residential space.

What if the height of the Millennium tower were to be increased to 370 metres 100 floors? Would you like that option? If it were 350 metres, it should have about 90 floors. Either way, 30 floors are to be used for residential space.

i certainly would like that option-the taller,the better:D anyway,its really good that these tower also will have residential space,because IMO Frankfurt and Germany generally needs more residential high-rises,lets hope that others will follow this example

i doubt it will be taller than 350m

does anyone know if the millenium tower will build? :nuts:

Arch. Albert Speer???

Arch. Albert Speer???

his son

I think if someone here knows it he would say it but the name of his son is albert too isn't it?

I think if someone here knows it he would say it but the name of his son is albert too isn't it?

Albert Speer was Hitler's buddy.
Albert Speer has a son, named Albert Speer aswell.

yah i know he wanted to design "Germania" with Hitler or am i false?

does anyone know if the millenium tower will build? :nuts:

nobody knows yet, but the chances are not that bad :)

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^^ :dunno:

:lol:, cool pics :D

This one is much better:
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:rofl:

^^ :dunno:


jak tu sie wkleja zdiecia bo mi nie wyszlo :lol::lol:

jak tu sie wkleja zdiecia bo mi nie wyszlo :lol::lol:

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wonderful pictures from the millenium tower:okay:
:wallbash:

"Berthold Konrad Hermann Albert Speer" is the full name for hitler's architect (born 1905) who died in 1981.
His son is simple "Albert Speer junior", born in 1934.