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redbaron_012 November 18th, 2008, 11:23 AM Very nice article. I don't think it has been posted.
http://www.dubaishortstay.com/city-guide/burj-dubai.asp
Burj Dubai - The Amazing Landmark!
Burj Dubai, the world's tallest man-made structure is scheduled to be completed in 2009. The tower's dramatic rise above the Gulf horizon will yet again remind the world of Dubai's growing financial muscle and allow the buyers and holidaymakers to stay and carry on with their exciting lives in amazing fashions. The gigantic tower is located at the core of an integrated township called, Downtown Burj Dubai, which features several more developments apart from
the main tower. All these developments will produce over 30,000 homes, including villas, luxury
Residential suits and serviced apartments; nine hotels such as Burj Dubai Lake Hotel & Serviced Apartments; the world's largest mall The Dubai Mall and an eco-friendly landscape carrying the man-made Burj Dubai Lake.
The spiraling Burj Dubai, on its part, will offer Exclusive corporate offices, residential apartments, Four lavish swimming pools, one cigar club, one observation deck, lounge, gym, library and several other amenities, such as restaurants, to enhance its
Aura. An Armani Hotel, the first of its kind, will occupy the first 37 floors and 700 private apartments will be allotted from floor number 45 to 108. The spire, measuring 200m in this 818m high building, will house communication equipments of various kinds.
More About The Soaring Tower
Burj Dubai is about to set out new standards of living in today's world. It would be exciting not just to look at its soaring architecture, but also to watch at the world outside sitting inside your Burj Dubai home. It’s carefully crafted living area and the amenities
you might get to use will influence your lifestyle as well, as you begin to settle in. There is a range of serviced apartments and exclusive hotel rooms to choose your Dubai stay from and make your memories last for a lifetime. Besides, there is a lot more in the Downtown Burj Dubai, apart from living in the main tower, which should make your stay in Dubai multi-dimensional. Let us examine what else the whole of Downtown area has to offer to its customers.
The Greater Downtown Burj Dubai
The Downtown Burj Dubai provides the world with the best of Dubai's residential, commercial, and recreational and hospitality provisions by fusing in various sub-plans shaped into an integrated township. These developments include luxurious hotels, serviced apartments, cafes, boutiques, restaurants, fascinating lifestyle of The Old Town and the shopping bonanza of
The world’s largest mall, The Dubai Mall. There are plenty of things for each and everyone to add to their life’s experiences while living at the Downtown Burj Dubai.
Developments Across Burj Dubai Boulevard
These include a 35 story residential tower, named 8 Boulevard Walk; three high-rise residential buildings ranging between 27 and 30 floors, called The Lofts; and a 63-story residential building with serviced apartments for outright sale, called Burj Dubai Lake Hotel & Serviced Apartments. These combined together are bound to generate enough accommodation for those who might be willing to settle down in the Downtown Burj Dubai.
Burj Dubai Square
Comprises of six towers; aims at providing quality space to top business firms. There is plenty of basement car parking and leisure amenities like cafes, apart from the soothing landscape carrying water elements and greenery to make one's business sound like a breeze.
Boulevard Crescents
Contains villas and nine high-rise buildings, which comprise of 1, 2 and 3 bedroom luxury residential suits and penthouses; all lay across a soothing water filled and green landscape. Safety for individual units, 24 hours maintenance for various facilities, IT
Outlets carrying a combined network of telephone, television and high speed Internet services, and plenty of car parking is some of the key elements of this downtown development.
The Old Town
This is the place for low-rise apartments and villas with an ethnic Arabian architecture and modern basic facilities fused into one. It takes you on a voyage from Dubai's past to future and vice-versa. The town will have coffee houses, boutiques and stalls to make
the community life enthralling and full of Arabian flavor.
The Dubai Mall
The world's largest mall is coming up at the Downtown Burj Dubai. It begins to cater clients from August 2008 onwards. It will encompass a total area of 12.1 million ft², with over a dozen smaller in-built malls to take care of various retail sectors.
Source: http://www.dubaishortstay.com/city-guide/burj-dubai.asp
This is all fantastic......I mean that, but what's the news I hear about sewer problems ? and polluted beaches, with the wealth of Dubai surely the latest treatment facilities would be installed ahead of these great developments ? I hope someone can tell me I have been misinformed ? Hope to visit Dubai one day !
iMike November 18th, 2008, 11:57 AM ^^ I haven't heard of such problems but maybe there is a thread for this discussion somewhere on this forum.
Let's devote our discussion here for Burj Dubai. If anyone knows a link to such a thread, please feel free to post it.
nidoken November 18th, 2008, 12:46 PM Can I climb to the top of building when it's finished? It's very high!
AltinD November 18th, 2008, 01:59 PM ^^ Teorically yes, practically no
This is all fantastic......I mean that, but what's the news I hear about sewer problems ? and polluted beaches, with the wealth of Dubai surely the latest treatment facilities would be installed ahead of these great developments ? I hope someone can tell me I have been misinformed ? Hope to visit Dubai one day !
Irresponsible drivers of sewer collecting tankers, ilegally drooped their load in city's drainage system and it ended up in the sea polluting a certain area.
TallBox November 18th, 2008, 02:03 PM ^^ Teorically yes, practically no
How comes? Do you mean that it will be closed to the public (obviously), or that physically it's not possible as the ladder and stuff will not be in place?
SpaceScraper November 18th, 2008, 03:18 PM This is all fantastic......I mean that, but what's the news I hear about sewer problems ? and polluted beaches, with the wealth of Dubai surely the latest treatment facilities would be installed ahead of these great developments ? I hope someone can tell me I have been misinformed ? Hope to visit Dubai one day !
Look at the source of the article. It's a PR/advertising piece - a printed infomercial of sorts.
luv2bebrown November 18th, 2008, 04:23 PM It's like dominos. The more you build the more you fall when the economy goes bad: http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081111/BUSINESS/831532776/0/MAGAZINESLIDESHOW
HAHAHAHHA i dont think you even read/understood your own article.
buildmilehightower November 18th, 2008, 04:26 PM How comes? Do you mean that it will be closed to the public (obviously), or that physically it's not possible as the ladder and stuff will not be in place?
It probably means that nidoken cannot practically climb to the top because the public wont be allowed but logically possible, because there is ladder to help staff to go to the top.
rickydavisfan21 November 18th, 2008, 04:37 PM Nah i can sniff them out from a mile away .... but thanks for your concern and major interest.
Apparently not, its very much so a legitimate inquiry. To not have communications equipment on the top of a 800m+ tower would be a missed opportunity.
But since u've gone and pissed me off...
Dubai is a city doomed to failure and an insult to the world economic crisis.
And the question of jealously...
At one point I was jealous, back when I was an illogical skyscraper fan as soon as last year. Then I started noticing the terrible urban design.
This quote says it best:
"Five years from now you will see towers on your right, towers on your left. And in the middle of that one kilometer and a half of garden, where you can excercise. And if you're bored of that you go underneath for a kilo and a half of shopping mall - but it is not the largest in the world - because that's next door" That last part puts it in perspective. Enclosed malls are what ruined the american city. And yet here is this "city" you are building based around the automobile, le corbusien ideals, curvilinear streets, post modernism (a 50s ideal that lead to the dying suburb) and sprawl. You are building islands when there is obviously plenty of places to build on the mainland not to mention. even as calm as the persian gulf is, those islands will be reclaimed soon. Buildings a successful city does not happen in 10 years, especially not as a suburb on steroids. This is not just from a onlookers perspective, I have been to dubai, and its devoid of foot activity, a practical ghost town as 50% of what has been built and is in the process of being built sits vacant. I'd like to see the numbers on vacancy in dubai.
http://www.tetur.com/images/dubai%20downtown,%20dubai%20burj%20master%20plan%20map.jpg
This doesn't look like a city to me, it looks like a suburb.
This is where I live, the ultimate city, I do not see any 10 million sq feet malls here, because our retail is where it belongs, on the street.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/NYC_wideangle_south_from_Top_of_the_Rock.jpg
here is what dubai resembles.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Plano,+TX&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.222969,114.257812&ie=UTF8&ll=33.029966,-96.708205&spn=0.013366,0.027895&t=h&z=16
Don't get me wrong though, travel around Dubai Creek and you can find a city.
AltinD November 18th, 2008, 05:19 PM :yawn:
Desert Diver November 18th, 2008, 06:06 PM New pics I took this afternoon and evening:
http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/burj_constr_qa.jpg
Huge version: http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/burj_constr_q.jpg
http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/bridge_2_qa.jpg
Huge version: http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/bridge_2_q.jpg
http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9004_qa.jpg
Huge version: http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9004_q.jpg
http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9026_qa.jpg
Huge version: http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9026_q.jpg
http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9037_qa.jpg
Huge version: http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9037_q.jpg
http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9041_qa.jpg
Huge version: http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9041_q.jpg
http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9058_qa.jpg
Huge version: http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9058_q.jpg
http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9071_qa.jpg
Huge version: http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9071_q.jpg
http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9075_qa.jpg
Huge version: http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9075_q.jpg
Cheers :cheers:
Desert Diver November 18th, 2008, 06:19 PM ^^ Please note the bright blue sky :)
DennisS November 18th, 2008, 06:26 PM Good pictures Desert Diver!
No new floor yet, maybe tomorrow some new developments. Pics will come :)
:cheers:
christos-greece November 18th, 2008, 06:54 PM Great pics :cheers: ^^
^^ Please note the bright blue sky :)
I noticed it :)
AvanGard November 18th, 2008, 07:15 PM http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9004_qa.jpg
:)==>Huge Version: http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9004_q.jpg
On this photo we can see most of the pinnacle, all the way down to the cladding. Maybe it is already build and only waits to be jacked?
-Cranium- November 18th, 2008, 09:09 PM By golly AvanGard I believe you're right! I tried but failed to convince myself otherwise. Fantastic image Desert Diver! But what on earth are the two objects that are visible at either side of the base of tier 19?!?!
Joy Machine November 18th, 2008, 10:05 PM Apparently not, its very much so a legitimate inquiry. To not have communications equipment on the top of a 800m+ tower would be a missed opportunity.
But since u've gone and pissed me off...
Dubai is a city doomed to failure and an insult to the world economic crisis.
And the question of jealously...
At one point I was jealous, back when I was an illogical skyscraper fan as soon as last year. Then I started noticing the terrible urban design.
This quote says it best:
That last part puts it in perspective. Enclosed malls are what ruined the american city. And yet here is this "city" you are building based around the automobile, le corbusien ideals, curvilinear streets, post modernism (a 50s ideal that lead to the dying suburb) and sprawl. You are building islands when there is obviously plenty of places to build on the mainland not to mention. even as calm as the persian gulf is, those islands will be reclaimed soon. Buildings a successful city does not happen in 10 years, especially not as a suburb on steroids. This is not just from a onlookers perspective, I have been to dubai, and its devoid of foot activity, a practical ghost town as 50% of what has been built and is in the process of being built sits vacant. I'd like to see the numbers on vacancy in dubai.
This doesn't look like a city to me, it looks like a suburb.
This is where I live, the ultimate city, I do not see any 10 million sq feet malls here, because our retail is where it belongs, on the street.
here is what dubai resembles.
Don't get me wrong though, travel around Dubai Creek and you can find a city.
There is one thing you have wrong though because I looked into why Dubai has so many stupid malls. Because the temperature there is always around 100 degrees. Although organic in planning, the city is also rather Corbusian which hasn't been proven on its effectiveness on traffic and sustainability. Look at his contemporary city drawings where he has traffic and everything analyzed to minimize all inconvenience.
CULWULLA November 18th, 2008, 10:13 PM On this photo we can see most of the pinnacle, all the way down to the cladding. Maybe it is already build and only waits to be jacked?
im pretty sure the spire only goes down to the last crane support.current length about 60m.
Giedrius_LT November 18th, 2008, 10:16 PM http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/burj_constr_qa.jpg
That's not a building, that's a monument for humanity.
I wonder how is it economically with an investion like this within the crisis period (or is it totally sold out already).
CULWULLA November 18th, 2008, 10:28 PM On this photo we can see most of the pinnacle, all the way down to the cladding. Maybe it is already build and only waits to be jacked?
im pretty sure the pinnacle only goes down to just below the highest crane tower support.it cant go below this level (tier20B) as there are no holes in floors for the pinnacle to rise through.
rickydavisfan-no the burj dubai map you posted isnt a city. its a just a precinct. its called Burj dubai. its an exclusive 12hectare slice of land in the city of Dubai.
-Cranium- November 18th, 2008, 10:31 PM im pretty sure the spire only goes down to the last crane support.current length about 60m.
So are we perhaps seeing a 'sheath' or 'spire guide' in the pic? A 'pinnacle prophylactic', if you will? There certainly seems to be something there!
CULWULLA November 18th, 2008, 10:41 PM thats the stairwell for workers.
-Cranium- November 19th, 2008, 12:15 AM Damn, I fear you're right CULWULLA! Maxxing out my display's brightness and gamma, I can see regular dark patches on what I mistook for the base of the spire. Not sure why, but this registers with me as the look of a concrete wall (would this be right?). Playing devil's avocado, though, given the spire and stairwell have different 'axes', the chances of the stairwell (which is rectangular or circular in X-section, I guess) _appearing_ to be the base of the spire are reasonably low...
rickydavisfan21 November 19th, 2008, 01:48 AM There is one thing you have wrong though because I looked into why Dubai has so many stupid malls. Because the temperature there is always around 100 degrees. Although organic in planning, the city is also rather Corbusian which hasn't been proven on its effectiveness on traffic and sustainability. Look at his contemporary city drawings where he has traffic and everything analyzed to minimize all inconvenience.
That would be why I related it to Corbusien ideals. Which have proven to be just short of disastrous in the US. Don't get me wrong, Le Corbusier has always been one of my favorite architecture, and his theory was very utopian and fantastic on paper. I'm very studied on his ideals.
Honestly, I would love Dubai if it had a good public transportation system, gridded streets, more variety per block, and less "superblocks." I can understand the mall situation, and while I have considered the climate to be an issue (aka why I would never live there) I had not considered it a reason for the malls. So thank you for suggestion. However, even with that considered I think Dubai really lacks character overall, and I still maintain its a suburb on steroids.
ThatDarnSacramentan November 19th, 2008, 02:05 AM Man, this project keeps going up and up! As for the climate thing, I give two or three decades before they build a giant dome over the whole city that regulates the temperature so it's a pleasant Mediterranean climate.
CrazyDave November 19th, 2008, 02:11 AM By golly AvanGard I believe you're right! I tried but failed to convince myself otherwise. Fantastic image Desert Diver! But what on earth are the two objects that are visible at either side of the base of tier 19?!?!
I think you looking at the Window Washing Machines
Fury November 19th, 2008, 04:12 AM Hi all.
^^
On the left it looks like catch panels for anything accidentally falling - tools, bolts, etc. There is some facing us in the shot also.
On the right is a window washing unit.
Nice shots desert.
:cheers:
Mr. Alloy November 19th, 2008, 05:17 AM Wow, I haven't checked in here forever. It really looks like the Burj Dubai now, and not a stump! Fantastic! When are we projecting the spire will be raised?
DennisS November 19th, 2008, 05:31 AM This morning:
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai121.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai122.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai123.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai124.jpg
:cheers:
CULWULLA November 19th, 2008, 05:32 AM thanks for updates denniss
RON-E November 19th, 2008, 06:14 AM nice update! thanks!
Dubai_Boy November 19th, 2008, 06:18 AM Jelous people make me yawn ... sheesh ! Dubai must really be doing something amazing to get on the nerves of people who "claim" to live in certain cities. :lol: anywho
I read this article i cant seem to find , it was either here or in the Dubai mall thread , something about taking people high enough to see the BD ! 400+ meters up , any more details revealed about that ?
iMike November 19th, 2008, 06:30 AM "A movie produced for presentation at the Burj Tower installation at the Salon di Mobile housed in Armani Teatro, Milan.
The key message is pre-eminence and legendary, focusing on the tower and the technical beauty of its design."
Author: kotajotun
Date: September 22nd 2008
Burj Dubai Armani
ULBJIZPJKtY
TXSkyWatcher November 19th, 2008, 06:43 AM Great photos DennisS!
generacionX November 19th, 2008, 06:47 AM QUE JACALOOOTE!!! JAJJA!!
rickydavisfan21 November 19th, 2008, 06:53 AM if rickydavisfan had some semblance of objectivity, he'd condemn the transamerica pyramid or the sears tower. after all, san francisco and chicago .
I would not condemn either because they fit into the urban landscape. Burj is set back nearly a quarter of a mile!
RON-E November 19th, 2008, 07:04 AM "A movie produced for presentation at the Burj Tower installation at the Salon di Mobile housed in Armani Teatro, Milan.
The key message is pre-eminence and legendary, focusing on the tower and the technical beauty of its design."
Author: kotajotun
Date: September 22nd 2008
Burj Dubai Armani
ULBJIZPJKtY
great video, thanks for that share!
Land Man November 19th, 2008, 07:13 AM From what is being written here it sounds like the upper crane will have some limited access and mobility as the top tiers are assembled.
How is the cladding going to be installed up at the very top tiers below the pinnacle and spire and will the crane be able to hang material on the opposite side of the crane tower once jacking is completed?
DennisS November 19th, 2008, 07:32 AM ^^ Good question.
I was thinking about it, but I think the top tiers which the crane cannot reach will have the cladding already installed on it when the crane attaches them to the spire (so before jacking).
At tier 24 (which is the only tier that contains units on all sides of the spire) my first thought is that they have to fix a unit with an extended arm at the crane or something, to get behind the spire.
unknownquinones November 19th, 2008, 10:39 AM Wow, the 7th steel floor has now in cladding process.
Thanks for the pics, Dennis!
Joachim November 19th, 2008, 11:57 AM <edit>
never mind, little to late... :P
CULWULLA November 19th, 2008, 11:57 AM the lowest tier in this pic is the lev124 observation deck!
thats 442m or height of sears tower!
fark. look how much above the tower rises.
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai121.jpg
Sentient Seas November 19th, 2008, 12:04 PM Thanks for the updates!
Ember-To-Ashes November 19th, 2008, 01:17 PM Hopefully CUL has seen my edit a few pages back and can correct the next diagram
popsiclestar November 19th, 2008, 01:53 PM wow, is it almost done?!:nuts:
Toetallix November 19th, 2008, 03:08 PM It will be interesting to see if they DO or DON'T carry on after they hit the 819m mark, matybe they will even stop before it? This is the exciting part coming up, I hope they carry on after 819 so that we won't know how high it will be in the end :) , I'm Mike btw everyone.
Bram November 19th, 2008, 05:00 PM if the workers dont go to work there, they have much less then a dollar an hour so dont blame dubai
buildmilehightower November 19th, 2008, 05:02 PM ^^ you shouldn't know and you don't want to know. For a starter, you may be tempted to click on the sub videos next to the main one, which some people might think of as inappropriate.
patrykus November 19th, 2008, 05:17 PM ^^ you shouldn't know and you don't want to know.
Totally agree, "ignorance is bliss" :)
AltinD November 19th, 2008, 05:27 PM it's about dubai's slave labour, I didn't watch it but maybe sex slaves
Why don't you just stay quiet then (to put it politely)
christos-greece November 19th, 2008, 06:50 PM wow, is it almost done?!:nuts:
Almost...
After the spire construction, there is the interior (inside) of burj dubai...
The construction of the lake(s) around level zero, e.t.c., e.t.c. (see the project of Burj Dubai)
AltinD November 19th, 2008, 07:05 PM IT IS ABOUT DUBAIS SLAVE LABOUR NOT PORN
And the MASTERS who oversee the job in the tower are from ... LONDON, so turn Off the cap buton and cut the crap.
Now everybody back to topic
AltinD November 19th, 2008, 07:08 PM Almost...
After the spire construction, there is the interior (inside) of burj dubai...
The construction of the lake(s) around level zero, e.t.c., e.t.c. (see the project of Burj Dubai)
What makes you think that they will start work on the interiours of the tower only after the spire has been jacked in the final position?
All they need is the cladding on that particular area.
Old Town Resident November 19th, 2008, 07:55 PM Slowed down again.
Is that a glimpse of the spire just about the same level as the access bridge to the crane?(2nd pic)
http://i33.tinypic.com/b3py6q.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/69hu6b.jpg
AltinD November 19th, 2008, 08:04 PM ^^ It seams so. :cheers:
ZZ-II November 19th, 2008, 08:28 PM you better stay on topic now! post your propaganda somewhere else but not in this forum.
back to topic,
nice shot from November 17th, look at the height difference between The Adress and the Burj, just impressive:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/3042047146_ab7cc6357e_o.jpg
AltinD November 19th, 2008, 08:29 PM ^^ That's always a great angle with the Ras Al Khor sanctuary and the flamingos in the foreground. We need more pictures from there. :cheers:
bizzybonita November 19th, 2008, 09:47 PM Today
http://i37.tinypic.com/34jaat5.jpg
ThatDarnSacramentan November 19th, 2008, 09:57 PM These recent pictures of Dubai are amazing. Spire's looking cool. Now, I can only imagine what the interior will look like even if it's only half as awesome as the outside.
BlackSmith! November 19th, 2008, 11:08 PM That metro station reminds me of worm monster from The Tremors:)
buildmilehightower November 19th, 2008, 11:15 PM ooooooooo u gonna ban me i am scarde
How old are you?
Anyway I like ZZII's pic, haven't seen Dubai skyline from those angles in a while.
jhalsey November 19th, 2008, 11:17 PM Lets go high - maybe 888 metres.
buildmilehightower November 19th, 2008, 11:23 PM ^^ If you can impress Emaar with the new 888m design of yours.
skyscraper100 November 20th, 2008, 01:19 AM omg.. burj dubai looks so TALL in that pic ZZ-II, tnx for sharing
drew.magoo November 20th, 2008, 05:14 AM Slowed down again.
Is that a glimpse of the spire just about the same level as the access bridge to the crane?
it looks like it.
you can see where the two tiers meet and it widens :cheers:
:EDIT:
never mind, that was just a shadow making it appear to be widening
DennisS November 20th, 2008, 05:29 AM ^^ You can see the spire go down in the third picture until the blue machine.
Edit - I zoomed in on the first pic and that might show the spire also disappearing behind the glazing! :cheers:
20/11/2008:
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai125.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai126.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai127.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai128.jpg
ThatDarnSacramentan November 20th, 2008, 05:35 AM Ooh, the spire is being lifted into place! I almost have as much anticipation for this as I do a new episode of House! Great pictures, also.
Old Town Resident November 20th, 2008, 06:39 AM Lets go high - maybe 888 metres.
By coincidence the lucky number of the Emaar chairman:cheers:
Ember-To-Ashes November 20th, 2008, 10:39 AM 888 would be possible but they could only do it be exntending the spire another 70m which may look abit out of proportion. I'm all for a spire increase upto say 50m because as spires go on skyscrapers, the Burj Dubai's (visible spire) is fairly short.
Ember-To-Ashes November 20th, 2008, 10:44 AM Looking at this picture we can see the Spire go down 64meters into the structure confirmed. theres an extra floor where we cant see if the spire is there or not but that would make it maximum of 70m. if they jacked ALL of that up it still wouldnt meet the 819m target. It would be about 800m. So i'm not sure quite wats going on.
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai127.jpg
SE9 November 20th, 2008, 11:21 AM New heights... from the last week:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/3030915909_55b27d1104_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/3040701299_61d8a66fd0_b.jpg
jamjaruk November 20th, 2008, 11:26 AM ^^^ Your first picture is bloody amazing :clown:! Thanks
TallBox November 20th, 2008, 12:06 PM New heights... from the last week:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/3030915909_55b27d1104_b.jpg
Wow, looking at this pic, wouldn't it be awesome if they lit up the top several tiers and pinnacle when completed? Like they do on Sears, Petronas, ESB...
But, the new Green Building Regulations in Dubai is probably going to prohibit upward exterior lighting :(
AltinD November 20th, 2008, 12:24 PM The first picture ITS FAKE!!!
Ember-To-Ashes November 20th, 2008, 12:30 PM how exactly is it fake?
asb63 November 20th, 2008, 12:47 PM ^^ check building size against others
Jude12 November 20th, 2008, 01:06 PM Yeah. I think its fake. Because the bottom part of the tower looks unproportional
AltinD November 20th, 2008, 01:47 PM ^^ The bottom part ... only? :D
hotice November 20th, 2008, 01:51 PM New heights... from the last week:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/3040701299_61d8a66fd0_b.jpg
Amazing picture. The BD raises up from the smoke or dust. They will have a good ventilation and a better weather (specially on summer :lol:)
This building is incredible. The first of an new king of buildings: Hipertall. Is much more bigger than other; more than the step done on 20 Century´30s with the Empire State compare to the rest of the towers. (>40% bigger...!!)
We are seeing a new era.
Jude12 November 20th, 2008, 01:54 PM ^^ The bottom part ... only? :D
Well..for me. At first. That's the part that caught my attention. Then the whole tower seems unproportional :cheers:
Krattle November 20th, 2008, 03:07 PM Yeah, it's clearly been photoshopped. The apartment towers around the base of the Burj, in real life, are small in comparison, but no where near as small as what we see in that pic.
SE9 November 20th, 2008, 03:18 PM You think this is fake?
New heights... from the last week:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/3030915909_55b27d1104_b.jpg
Photos from around the same spot where the picture above was taken:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/3029607512_1496a380f3_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/3039163522_155af5c497_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3154/3038373355_8800260e2d_b.jpg
jamjaruk November 20th, 2008, 03:45 PM ^^^ That's the view from Shangri-la hotel. :bowtie:
Hollie Maea November 20th, 2008, 04:13 PM I think it's not fake, just HDR'd. That makes it look a little surreal.
Jude12 November 20th, 2008, 04:28 PM Wait. I think it's not fake at all. :lol: Look at the comparison with the Address.
Ember-To-Ashes November 20th, 2008, 04:51 PM Yeh i agree, not fake =)
christos-greece November 20th, 2008, 05:28 PM http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/3030915909_55b27d1104_b.jpg
Looks real. It is not fake
buildmilehightower November 20th, 2008, 05:38 PM ^^ it does look about 1000m though. But I'm sure its just the lens or somthing.
ZZ-II November 20th, 2008, 07:27 PM it's a great shot...and that counts :)
-Cranium- November 20th, 2008, 09:40 PM I actually thought the second pic looked dodgier - the tower looks complete! But I'm possibly just confusing the spire with the crane boom...
CULWULLA November 20th, 2008, 11:02 PM Looking at this picture we can see the Spire go down 64meters into the structure confirmed. theres an extra floor where we cant see if the spire is there or not but that would make it maximum of 70m. if they jacked ALL of that up it still wouldnt meet the 819m target. It would be about 800m. So i'm not sure quite wats going on.
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai127.jpg
so is it confirmed that its the spire going down the centre of frame?
if so its gone down alot further then it supposed to be.the base is tier20B.
if spireis down frame its total length supposed to 144m if the spire is to reach 819m.im confused:nuts:
-Cranium- November 20th, 2008, 11:25 PM im confused:nuts:
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
The-Real-Link November 20th, 2008, 11:32 PM Though I figured the first shot of recent discussion was real without issue I can understand how some are saying it's fake. The follow-up shots do show the awesome relation though and so I think there is no issue with it any longer. There is a little camera-shake and a tad of a slow exposure creating the radiance in the photo. Doesn't look like HDR to me at all. Just a normal delayed photo shot from obviously the upper floors of a project nearby.
That aside - WONDERFUL shot :)
Also, great spire discussions - keep it up!
Pinkie November 21st, 2008, 12:07 AM I friend of mine works for Emaar. He said that there's only 3 people who know the final height. So 819M could be a low guess.
Here's hoping for 900M!!
helghast November 21st, 2008, 12:27 AM ^^ thats not actual true, there's more then 3 people who know the final height....
ReiAyanami November 21st, 2008, 12:38 AM I friend of mine works for Emaar. He said that there's only 3 people who know the final height. So 819M could be a low guess.
Here's hoping for 900M!!
People, take into consideration the architectural design of the building! Making the spire too tall will result in spoiling the analogies of the architect's plans. Its already getting pretty thin up there, adding 90 more meters to reach the 819m target and its an aesthetic limit, if you ask me :bash:
gusgazman November 21st, 2008, 01:26 AM As far as I know sarcasm is a sign of intelligence...
But maybe he is disappointed because Sarah Palin wasn't elected as Vice President!
He better need to justify the reasons for which she is a LOOSER!!
choyak November 21st, 2008, 04:06 AM Naw, I thought that she was a TIGHTER!!!!
Swiddle November 21st, 2008, 04:13 AM so is it confirmed that its the spire going down the centre of frame?
if so its gone down alot further then it supposed to be.the base is tier20B.
if spireis down frame its total length supposed to 144m if the spire is to reach 819m.im confused:nuts:
I'm confused too (again). :nuts: The mystery grows. But it adds to the suspense and makes things more interesting, at least to me.
CULWULLA November 21st, 2008, 04:45 AM it wont be much higher then 800m. no way it will be anywhere near 900m. the spire will look too tall and out of proportion.
adrian smith likes proportions.
drew.magoo November 21st, 2008, 04:47 AM ^^:lol:
austinsteev1 November 21st, 2008, 04:48 AM Well here is my guess.
The spire is of "telescopic" nature and design right? So....couldn't some parts of the spire be "inside" other larger diameter segments? and as they jack it up they weld it together. Just a theory but it would make sense. Sort of the way a telescoping antenna on a car or radio can be either really long or really short...anybody else think this might be the case? Or am i looking like complete fool here. :nuts::hammer::poke:
Cheers,
Steve
drew.magoo November 21st, 2008, 05:08 AM ^^
youre partially right
after this wing is completed, the next three tiers will have much smaller wings.
fury explained i think a few pages back, that these three wings will be welded to the pinnacle as it is jacked
i think thats gonna make the process even more interesting than it already is! :cheers:
Fury November 21st, 2008, 05:11 AM Hi all.
I don't think it will telescope.
I think the bottom of the pinnacle pipe up there right now is far below section 20B. The base will end up at 20B when it is pulled up by the jacks. The jacks act on long cables that extend down to the bottom of how ever much pinnacle pipe is up there right now. There is room for all of the pipe but whether it is all up there is anyones guess.
On another note - how about a vid of the base jump from the Burj ???
:banana: - Downfallen - is this you ?
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=na87YLICquc
:cheers:
DennisS November 21st, 2008, 08:01 AM ^^ Wow, what a thrill would that be, jumping of that height! Illigal, but cool!
Yesterday afternoon I took some pics from the other side than usual, here they are:
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai129.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai130.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai131.jpg
Cheers everyone, enjoy the weekend!
Dennis
luv2bebrown November 21st, 2008, 08:24 AM ^^ That's always a great angle with the Ras Al Khor sanctuary and the flamingos in the foreground. We need more pictures from there. :cheers:
the al khail road flyover as it goes up and curves towards BB Crossing (not the newest one, the one closest to ras al khor) has AMAZING views of the skyline... i always look while im driving. no way to stop your car there and take pics though, and im sure as hell not gonna walk up that thing ;)
marcb@amk.gr November 21st, 2008, 08:29 AM Why is it so that we rarely get pictures of pieces of the tower being raised by the crain? Anybody know why?:ohno:
Capn Jef November 21st, 2008, 08:30 AM Thanks Dennis! Hardly ever see that angle... Looks good.
DennisS November 21st, 2008, 08:38 AM Why is it so that we rarely get pictures of pieces of the tower being raised by the crain? Anybody know why?:ohno:
Because we don't sit and wait for a beam to be lifted up and at this stage they are more focussing on the inside works than on the lifting of beams to the top. Not much to be lifted left, so that's why.
Sentient Seas November 21st, 2008, 08:38 AM Nice photos, DennisS. :cheers:
Ember-To-Ashes November 21st, 2008, 10:15 AM so is it confirmed that its the spire going down the centre of frame?
if so its gone down alot further then it supposed to be.the base is tier20B.
if spireis down frame its total length supposed to 144m if the spire is to reach 819m.im confused:nuts:
I've explained this before a week or so ago, The base of the Spire is at 20b, but thats AFTER its been jackd up. so before its jacked there it will obviously be lower down.
My idea was that the spire would start at 586m, add the total length of the spire 144m, and what figure do you get, 730m! which is where it is now.
But some pictures show the spire not going down to the top of the concrete so who knows whats going on lol. unless they perhaps build the lower parts of the base of the spire from within, like weld together small parts they can bring up in evelvators ect
adria356 November 21st, 2008, 10:21 AM http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai130.jpg
WOOW it s so huge.
Great for Dubai bad for world economy. :lol:
iMike November 21st, 2008, 10:29 AM Is it too soon to talk about the launch date(opening ceremony)?
I know we don't have an exact opening party date but can we venture an educated guess at say...the month of September of 2009?
I was just watching the Atlantis opening and I'm sure BD will have a party as spectacular with the laser show and the fountain.
AltinD November 21st, 2008, 10:51 AM On another note - how about a vid of the base jump from the Burj ???
:banana: - Downfallen - is this you ?
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=na87YLICquc
:cheers:
Who? ... nah, neither Robin nor Jan :lol:
CULWULLA November 21st, 2008, 10:52 AM thanks embertoahses. i that was me next question,
has anyone seen segments of the spire being lifted up? surely there not going up in a lift?
AltinD November 21st, 2008, 10:57 AM I think Old Town Resident took once a pic, but not so sure. They might be doing it over the night shifts also, who knows.
Dequal November 21st, 2008, 12:37 PM :cheers: We can start a bet?
I bet on 816 metres for $50 :lol:
jamjaruk November 21st, 2008, 01:34 PM ^ I'll lay you that amount :lol:
Ember-To-Ashes November 21st, 2008, 02:05 PM the spire has been lifted up during the night a while back and we have missed it all. as far as i can tell its all up there now. aprt from the base parts ot the spire which will be added once its been jacked up. unless ofcourse thats up there to. but im sceptical.
helghast November 21st, 2008, 02:59 PM thanks embertoahses. i that was me next question,
has anyone seen segments of the spire being lifted up? surely there not going up in a lift?
i was up all night thinking about it. and maybe when they start jacking the spire, maybe they will add sections on , at the bottom of course ?. i mean this is the only way if there going to reach 819m. well it's up to are man DennisS!! to keep a eye on it :lol:..... oh and i can't forget OTR and good old AltinD :cheers: i really appreciate ur guy's pics
Norb November 21st, 2008, 05:06 PM http://current.com/items/89546563/world_record_base_jump.htm
longer video of the BASE jump from Burj Dubai
christos-greece November 21st, 2008, 06:23 PM :cheers: We can start a bet?
I bet on 816 metres for $50 :lol:
:lol:
emagdnim November 21st, 2008, 06:45 PM http://current.com/items/89546563/world_record_base_jump.htm
longer video of the BASE jump from Burj Dubai
That was cool, the decent looked surreal.
vardis November 21st, 2008, 08:37 PM I'll go 820m.
But I'm betting in £s
DennisS November 21st, 2008, 09:19 PM Burj Dubai will be:
I'll go for 'quite high'.
:banana:
Sorry, although it is prohibited in Dubai, I'm under influence of alcohol at the moment.
Cliffjumper November 21st, 2008, 09:38 PM Burj Dubai will be:
I'll go for 'quite high'.
:banana:
Sorry, although it is prohibited in Dubai, I'm under influence of alcohol at the moment.
so :cheers: for you our main photographer :D
-Cranium- November 21st, 2008, 10:52 PM Trying to disentangle the possible location of the spire from the possible location of the stairwell here - seems to be an opaque channel in DennisS' great shot earlier which I've tried to delimit below. I'm guessing this is the stairwell given its constant width. There's a nice sunlit area above the highest crane access point which guided my thinking.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6376/burjdubai131awh6.jpg
This really is the best phase of supertall construction, ain't it (secret height or not)?
germantower November 21st, 2008, 11:44 PM A bit older but sureyl worth for posting! from 4th Nov!
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5674/dubai845789665dh6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Source:http://flickr.com/photos/monotoni/3047915734/sizes/o/
Shezan November 22nd, 2008, 01:21 AM wow! ^^
CULWULLA November 22nd, 2008, 02:33 AM amazing shot. burj duibai makes the half dozen or so supertalls like puny. surely burj dubai is in another category? megatall? hint
Land Man November 22nd, 2008, 02:58 AM With all of this speculation on ultimate height, secrecy etc and what everyone is guessing is the amount of spire up there right now (70m?) does anyone think it is possible that they would put up additional steel floors? Basically add to the tiers we are all anticipating from the drawings on here - and thereby extend the overall height while maintaining proportions? So go a lot higher than everyone is assuming but in essence stretching out the whole top of the structure, rather than having an out of proportion spire sticking WAY up above what is the current floor design just to achieve a taller top out? Could they build additional steel floor levels and then jack that spire up through that puppy and then bring up more spire and weld it underneath for structural purposes?
OMH November 22nd, 2008, 03:48 AM Wow...that's an amazing pic that germantower posted :uh:
....what is even more amazing IMO is how thin BD looks on that pic...the medium part is maybe 1/3 of the Index , and the upper half (over 400m) seems to be even thinner than Rose Rotana hotel, which is just next to it (on the left), and looks tiny compared to BD, despite being 333 m tall...but that's less than half the current height of BD right now .
@Culwulla: I think that all buildings between 600m and 1000m should be considered "Megatalls", and over 1000m up to 5km "Hypertalls" ...and over 5km should be called "Starscrapers" :D
@Land Man: Sounds interesting what you're saying, though i really doubt that they will add additional steel floors...they would have to change the static for the tower, which would surely take a lot of time & money...so its quite unrealistic, but who knows, in Dubai everything seems to be possible.
Intamin November 22nd, 2008, 06:22 AM iiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Capn Jef November 22nd, 2008, 06:49 AM I'm calling you a troll because the only thing that looks like a spider is clearly to the left
troll
Hollie Maea November 22nd, 2008, 07:12 AM http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2812/20sf1pizq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
What on earth is that awesome looking spider building at the bottom right? Anyone have a link?
I'm not sure what spider building in the bottom right you mean. Be more specific!
scalziand November 22nd, 2008, 07:17 AM Anyone notice one of Culwulla's diagrams in the base jump video?:colgate:
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1562/culcaptak8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
DennisS November 22nd, 2008, 07:30 AM With all of this speculation on ultimate height, secrecy etc and what everyone is guessing is the amount of spire up there right now (70m?) does anyone think it is possible that they would put up additional steel floors? Basically add to the tiers we are all anticipating from the drawings on here - and thereby extend the overall height while maintaining proportions? So go a lot higher than everyone is assuming but in essence stretching out the whole top of the structure, rather than having an out of proportion spire sticking WAY up above what is the current floor design just to achieve a taller top out? Could they build additional steel floor levels and then jack that spire up through that puppy and then bring up more spire and weld it underneath for structural purposes?
That's not impossible, but we will know it when the crane is extended, because they have to do that in order to go higher. And because of that, it is kind of strange that they didn't extend it already earlier, because it is now working as if it is really at its top position.
KDreamer November 22nd, 2008, 07:39 AM ahahahah that spider makes me laugh!
The-Real-Link November 22nd, 2008, 08:05 AM Yeah I noticed that in the vid too. Cool that Cul's diagram made it! When it zooms in you can also see it has a 3d depth to it too. Dimensions and other things move in depth compared to the building on "paper". Neat effect :)
Imperfect Ending November 22nd, 2008, 09:10 AM I'm feeling tingly just by looking at the pictures
buildmilehightower November 22nd, 2008, 11:23 AM http://current.com/items/89546563/world_record_base_jump.htm
longer video of the BASE jump from Burj Dubai
thanks for sharing the vid norb, brilliant feeling when I'm viewing the city in the air. The security system has tightened up and not many can fool the security now.
AltinD November 22nd, 2008, 11:52 AM ....what is even more amazing IMO is how thin BD looks on that pic...the medium part is maybe 1/3 of the Index , and the upper half (over 400m) seems to be even thinner than Rose Rotana hotel, which is just next to it (on the left), and looks tiny compared to BD, despite being 333 m tall...but that's less than half the current height of BD right now .
Distant by 1 - 1.5 km is not really "just next to it" ;)
christos-greece November 22nd, 2008, 11:53 AM Funny spider :lol:
ZZ-II November 22nd, 2008, 12:03 PM the base jump video is just awesome!
Msradell November 22nd, 2008, 01:45 PM ..
COLdBLOOD November 22nd, 2008, 02:00 PM :tiasd: Another babylon?
Zicyx November 22nd, 2008, 02:42 PM I'm not sure what spider building in the bottom right you mean. Be more specific!
He has only 7 legs...poor spider:ohno::lol:
DennisS November 22nd, 2008, 04:18 PM Hey OTR, I can also see BD from my apartment! (Well after 100m walking, at 16,5 km distance :lol:)
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai132.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai133.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai134.jpg
Cheers! :cheers:
DamianRC November 22nd, 2008, 05:03 PM hi everybody, it´s my first post here and I´m glad to write about Burj Dubai.
just spectacular.
Old Town Resident November 22nd, 2008, 06:25 PM ^^
Hi Dennis: 16.1 km to go, your young and will get there buddy.
I would guess you are in Barsha?
DennisS November 22nd, 2008, 06:30 PM ^^
Hi Dennis: 16.1 km to go, your young and will get there buddy.
I would guess you are in Barsha?
:) Totally wrong, I work in Al Barsha, but my company apartment is in Muhaisnah, other end of town.. (hurray for the traffic everyday :banana:)
yuri November 22nd, 2008, 06:38 PM It is very amazing! Wow!
christos-greece November 22nd, 2008, 06:59 PM Nice pics dennis
He has only 7 legs...poor spider:ohno::lol:
Now i saw that :lol: :lol: :lol:
kalt November 22nd, 2008, 09:26 PM Amazing video...They've got some guts for doing that though.
AltinD November 22nd, 2008, 09:52 PM Just saw the movie Body of Lies and Burj Dubai was shown in 2 - 3 schenes when it was around 80 - 100 floors :cheers:
... however for people living here or very familiar with the place, the most interesting part it was the reference to another (used to be) Dubai "institution", heard off well beyond the borders. I certanly wouldn't have thought that will come up. :rofl:
Desert Diver November 22nd, 2008, 10:20 PM Great video of the BASE jump! :banana:
I can imagine what the construction workers' faces looked like :lol:
A picture from the access to Palm Jumeirah, at around 16km linear distance to Burj Dubai:
http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9086a.jpg
Huge version: http://www.quetschluft.de/dubai/DSC_9086.jpg
yoyofromNice November 22nd, 2008, 10:30 PM Hi, does somebody know how to get closer the construction site ? i mean closer than the dubai mall ? can we turn arround the site by walk ?
I'm going to dubai in 15 days so i was wondering how to look at the burj the best ( even if we can see it from everywhere )
Thank you, hope i'll bring some nice pictures
AltinD November 22nd, 2008, 11:19 PM ^^ Souk Al Bahar and the nearby The Palace Hotel :cheers:
piginapoke November 22nd, 2008, 11:56 PM Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but on the CTBUH website under the technical papers section, there's a detailed document on the Burj Dubai construction, including how the spire is planned to be put up (last page).
http://www.ctbuh.org/Publications/TechnicalPapers/tabid/71/Default.aspx
document to download is called "Brief on the Construction Planning of the Burj Dubai Project, Dubai, UAE"
helghast November 23rd, 2008, 12:00 AM ^^ Souk Al Bahar and the nearby The Palace Hotel :cheers:
also the DFC area
AltinD November 23rd, 2008, 12:18 AM ^^ What DFC area? Even if you are referring to DIFC it is further away then Dubai Mall.
helghast November 23rd, 2008, 12:29 AM ^^yeah the DIFC lol, well here's a shot, old but still good
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s163/Joeyjordisonfan16/Burj%20Dubai/Burj_Dubai_0407.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s163/Joeyjordisonfan16/Burj%20Dubai/2820595433_3873ee386d_b.jpg
-Cranium- November 23rd, 2008, 01:47 AM Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but on the CTBUH website under the technical papers section, there's a detailed document on the Burj Dubai construction, including how the spire is planned to be put up (last page).
http://www.ctbuh.org/Publications/TechnicalPapers/tabid/71/Default.aspx
document to download is called "Brief on the Construction Planning of the Burj Dubai Project, Dubai, UAE"
Very enlightening, piginapoke! According to this, the entire pinnacle is already up there! A quote: "...the pinnacle pipe sections are stacked from level 156..."
Gherkin November 23rd, 2008, 02:53 AM Who? ...
Downfallen's an "urban explorer" who posts stunning pictures from the top of skyscrapers in the UK forums every so often. Here's some of his work:
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=34265
Imagine if those photos were taken from was the Burj Dubai... :nuts:
germantower November 23rd, 2008, 03:10 AM omg what great pictures! first two from 4th november the last picture from 11th november.
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/6668/burjdubaihdrtb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Source:http://flickr.com/photos/paragon1/3049033063/sizes/l/
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1812/hdrzm4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Source: http://flickr.com/photos/paragon1/3049875474/sizes/l/
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6093/dubaiskylineyl3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Source: http://flickr.com/photos/ccouvillion/3028922157/sizes/o/
This are some of the few pictures were one can estimate what the sheer massivness and height of this tower cannotes!
drew.magoo November 23rd, 2008, 03:30 AM ^^
whoa, those seriously look like renders. howd you do that?
PwnedByASkyscraper November 23rd, 2008, 03:30 AM ^^ :master:
Those shots in that last batch are just friggin unreal...
Fury November 23rd, 2008, 03:33 AM Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but on the CTBUH website under the technical papers section, there's a detailed document on the Burj Dubai construction, including how the spire is planned to be put up (last page).
http://www.ctbuh.org/Publications/TechnicalPapers/tabid/71/Default.aspx
document to download is called "Brief on the Construction Planning of the Burj Dubai Project, Dubai, UAE"
Nice find. A nice overview.
:cheers:
Westyguy November 23rd, 2008, 03:43 AM Excellent pics.
How high does the cladding go? Must not be to much to do now.
Infrasuper Planet November 23rd, 2008, 03:44 AM ^^
whoa, those seriously look like renders. howd you do that?
the photographer employed a technique called HDR or High Dynamic Range. Using a feature called autobracketing inbuilt in most good cameras, the camera will take 3-5 simultaneous shots of the same scene but at different exposures. Using a program on the computer, one can layer all the different exposures on top of each other and with a little bit of processing and tweaking, you can achieve the surreal 'render' affect.
germantower November 23rd, 2008, 03:45 AM ^^
whoa, those seriously look like renders. howd you do that?
Don't ask me, i didn't took this pictures. But i'll give you a hint, google after "HDR"!
DennisS November 23rd, 2008, 06:07 AM This morning:
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai135.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai136.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai137.jpg
Cheers
Fury November 23rd, 2008, 06:22 AM Hi all.
Here is a more recent jacking "plan". I wish it was clearer but it is what it is ...
http://e.imagehost.org/0819/plan_spire_erection_2.jpg
This looks more acurate to what is actually happening on the structure.
The tiers from 16 to 26 can be made out on the right side. The pinnacle tiers 27 to 30 are not marked off. The crane is shown at ~section 22A which is the height it is right now - as I said ages ago it is high enough to finish the structure and does not need to rise any more.
The 5th drawing shows section 23B erected - which is not up yet on the structure but will be before jacking going by this. It also shows section 22 of the wing facing the crane up and if we look at the last drawing sections 22A and 22B of that wing will be erected after jacking.
Heres the one questionable thing. The pinnacle is at the height of the 6th drawing right now but section 23B is not up right now. Also we know that the pinnacle has not been jacked yet because in previous shots we saw that pieces were welded on top of what was there to get us to this height. Also we know that with the top of the pinnacle at 730m. the base of the 142.7m. long pinnacle pipe is right near the bottom of tier 16, not at the top of it as is shown in drawing 6. It is possible that this is an oversight or that this plan is from the 808m. design which would still make the base ~10m. too high in the drawing.
In drawings 9, 10, and 11 we can see the small wings of tiers 24, 25, and 26 being attached between jacking stages. The cladding and any fins will also be done before the next jacking stage.
After jacking as noted above the last 2 sections will be erected, all connections to the jacked pieces will be completed, and the cladding will be finished.
This plan is confirmation on what a few of us thought must have been revised from the earlier jacking plan we have. That earlier plan showed platforms that are not on the structure and the crane lower than what it is now among other discrepencies.
So (as long as they haven't revised this plan too much ...) once they put up section 23B jacking should begin shortly there after.
Top out may not be by year end but should be only a few weeks into '09 - we shall see.
:cheers:
DennisS November 23rd, 2008, 07:08 AM Heres the one questionable thing. The pinnacle is at the height of the 6th drawing right now but section 23B is not up right now. Also we know that the pinnacle has not been jacked yet because in previous shots we saw that pieces were welded on top of what was there to get us to this height.
Hi Fury! I was waiting for your analyse, thanks! :)
But I think you're wrong in the part I quoted. The pinnacle isn't at the height of the 6th drawing, because that would mean it is higher as tier 23A, which isn't the case. They are still easily able to put up 23B and start jacking at the moment.
Cheers
FM 2258 November 23rd, 2008, 09:47 AM http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6093/dubaiskylineyl3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Source: http://flickr.com/photos/ccouvillion/3028922157/sizes/o/
This are some of the few pictures were one can estimate what the sheer massivness and height of this tower cannotes!
This last picture is absolutely stunning. It looks more like a city than a vast construction zone from this angle. I can't tell which direction we're looking in though. Is the coast on the left or the right and it looks like evening to me.
christos-greece November 23rd, 2008, 10:29 AM Awesome pic :cheers: ^^
Just saw the movie Body of Lies and Burj Dubai was shown in 2 - 3 schenes when it was around 80 - 100 floors :cheers:
Yes, i saw it too yesterday night... Maximum fllors of Burj Dubai in the movie scenes was around 100 floors
Axel_F November 23rd, 2008, 03:58 PM This last picture is absolutely stunning. It looks more like a city than a vast construction zone from this angle. I can't tell which direction we're looking in though. Is the coast on the left or the right and it looks like evening to me.
Coast and Gulf is to the left, desert to the right. Viewdirection: to the Creek. This road you look along is a street parallel to SZR.
Land Man November 23rd, 2008, 04:06 PM According to the tech papers Pininapoke turned us on to the upper cladding WILL be installed during the jacking process. So that answers my question.
If you spend the time navigating about there is a wealth of info on this building all throughout that website if you hit the tech papers for many of the speakers.
It is interesting to read the history of the development of the ultimate building height and how the strucutural and wind calcs had to be redone several times. There is also a statement in one that the foundation and lower floors of the building were designed and constructed to accomodate additional building height if it was needed later.
All just great stuff for supertall junkies and engineering gurus.
buildmilehightower November 23rd, 2008, 04:17 PM cladding is on the 8th steel floor now, but those top 3 concrete floors may not be covered in glass so people don't get confused where the transition between concrete ans steel is for the time being.
christos-greece November 23rd, 2008, 06:32 PM Coast and Gulf is to the left, desert to the right. Viewdirection: to the Creek. This road you look along is a street parallel to SZR.
Thanks for this info Axel :)
Fury November 23rd, 2008, 07:07 PM Hi Fury! I was waiting for your analyse, thanks! :)
But I think you're wrong in the part I quoted. The pinnacle isn't at the height of the 6th drawing, because that would mean it is higher as tier 23A, which isn't the case. They are still easily able to put up 23B and start jacking at the moment.
Cheers
Hi Dennis.
The top of the pinnacle is at approx. 730m.
The top beams of section 23A that is the top section up right now is 732.9m.
This shot by you shows clearly that the pinnacle is over half way up section 23A.
http://e.imagehost.org/0933/08_11_20_7.jpg
So as I posted earlier the pinnacle is at the height of the 6th drawing but section 23B is not up on the structure as the 6th drawing shows. I think it will be erected shortly unless they have revised this plan.
Can't wait - want jacking ... :nuts: - :lol:
:cheers:
HendrX November 23rd, 2008, 09:25 PM Wow, massif building!!!!!
tincho90 November 23rd, 2008, 10:19 PM It's amazing!!!!
Dequal November 23rd, 2008, 10:19 PM I have made a new video for this month. Something went wrong with the rendering format, so the images don't appear on the full videoscreen. But anyway, here it is:
0H7MmOqM6kA
June: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2juNoMd-XQ
May: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Qg1Hs7V-k
April: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WBF6eINxE0
March: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM9ITrf6zfw
AvanGard November 23rd, 2008, 10:32 PM Complimentary work^^Dequal
Was there ever an official announcement of a top out at the end of this year?
It seems that work on the spire has slowed down, and I’ am curious as to whether a top out is even possible in this timeframe.
Dequal November 23rd, 2008, 10:42 PM Complimentary work^^Dequal
Was there ever an official announcement of a top out at the end of this year?
It seems that work on the spire has slowed down, and I’ am curious as to whether a top out is even possible in this timeframe.
The jacking itselfs goes very fast. They lifted up the spire of the Taipei 101 in just one day. But that was also a tiny one. :)
CULWULLA November 23rd, 2008, 10:55 PM ^but that was 300m lower then burjdubais.
great explanation fury. i measure the spire ercetion diagrams at 808m.
note in spire install sequence it mentions spire starts to be installed from lev156? also it will be a 3step process. i think they are ready for 2nd stage?
ZZ-II November 23rd, 2008, 10:56 PM when i remember right they planned 6 weeks for jacking the spire on the BD
AvanGard November 23rd, 2008, 11:02 PM ^^
If that plan is to succeed, with the end of the year mark in mind, we should see the spire/pinnacle going up any day now.
riasbaixas November 24th, 2008, 12:33 AM na87YLICquc
more info and whole video on http://current.com/items/89546563/world_record_base_jump.htm
:cheers:
B787-938 November 24th, 2008, 04:00 AM Very enlightening, piginapoke! According to this, the entire pinnacle is already up there! A quote: "...the pinnacle pipe sections are stacked from level 156..."
Correct.....it intimates that the pinnacle did extend all the way down to the top of the concrete structure. They had been installing sections of it all along as the steel structure rose, we only noticed the top few sections as they went above the rest of the structure.
It has already been lifted by one movement from the top of concrete to where it is currently.
suki2011 November 24th, 2008, 04:10 AM ^^WoW:nuts: you guys are crazy keep it coming I wish I could do that. I will be going to Dubai in December. Hopefully I will take pics and post them. :cheers::banana::omg::pepper:
Imre November 24th, 2008, 05:31 AM bad news, cladding has stopped because the Emaar didnt pay to the contractors, I have heard some others companies also stopped.
good news I am back and will have an internet soon:)
21/November/2008
Burj Dubai
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DennisS November 24th, 2008, 05:34 AM Thanks Fury, guess you're right :)
Today:
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai138.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai139.jpg
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/dennissegeren/Burj%20Dubai/BurjDubai140.jpg
Cheers
Imre November 24th, 2008, 07:07 AM Emaar still says the handover is mid 2009 but I have spoken many people from different sub-contractors, they said 2009 is almost impossible, most of them said maybe in 2010.
we will see.
-Cranium- November 24th, 2008, 07:28 AM WB Imre - your last shot made my jaw drop. And I reckon I can see a bit of pinnacle at the bottom of your 2nd-to-last pic.
When you say "cladding has stopped because the Emaar didnt pay to the contractors, I have heard some others companies also stopped", do you mean other companies working on the Burj have stopped work?
B787-938: How high above the concrete floors are you saying the pinnacle is now?
B787-938 November 24th, 2008, 08:21 AM B787-938: How high above the concrete floors are you saying the pinnacle is now?
It appears the base of the pinnacle would be resting on Level 158 (just below the base of Tier 17) at this stage of the installation.
The next move looks to take the base up to Level 160.
Having said that...if the current height of the top of the pinnacle (from Culwulla's latest diagram) is correct at 727m then the pinnacle is still likely to be sitting on the top of the concrete structure, if all 144m of it is already up there. In this case the next move may be up to level 158 where work on the cladding fixed to the pinnacle can take place.
Desert Diver November 24th, 2008, 08:22 AM Great pictures again, everybody! Bad to hear rumors about the construction slowdown
@Imre
Do you know why "imredubai" is blocked? :wtf: (at least through etisalat here in my office)
And what focal length does your camera lens have? Seems to be at least 300mm :nuts:
CULWULLA November 24th, 2008, 08:22 AM thansk for updates imre.:cheers:
CULWULLA November 24th, 2008, 08:26 AM just quoting post to carry it over to new page.
great shots
bad news, cladding has stopped because the Emaar didnt pay to the contractors, I have heard some others companies also stopped.
good news I am back and will have an internet soon:)
21/November/2008
Burj Dubai
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9307/imresolt10zo4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8480/imresolt13xi7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/739/imresolt74dx9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7048/imresolt79yy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/912/imresolt88tn8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2369/imresolt17wp0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
FM 2258 November 24th, 2008, 08:33 AM Coast and Gulf is to the left, desert to the right. Viewdirection: to the Creek. This road you look along is a street parallel to SZR.
Thanks. I have a feeling after I visit it will obviously be easier to know where everything is when looking at the pictures.
Also wanted to add those latest pictures from Imre look nice but the windows look pretty damn dusty. I guess it's going to take a lot of water to clean those off all the time.
firoz bharmal November 24th, 2008, 08:45 AM can any one figure out how much left in the previous photo.... how much time left for topped out if the same construction speed is going....
Desert Diver November 24th, 2008, 08:47 AM ...Also wanted to add those latest pictures from Imre look nice but the windows look pretty damn dusty. I guess it's going to take a lot of water to clean those off all the time.
Dubai Fountain will do the job :lol:
AltinD November 24th, 2008, 10:01 AM Do you know why "imredubai" is blocked? :wtf: (at least through etisalat here in my office)
And what focal length does your camera lens have? Seems to be at least 300mm :nuts:
Tried it too and it is indeed blocked. A long shot maybe, but it might be because of some naughty google ads in some of the many domain names he has registered.
He is currently using a regular digicamera with x12 optical zoom (436mm max)
CULWULLA November 24th, 2008, 10:12 AM the facade is shiny now, imagine a whipe down how gleaming it will be??:nuts:
i suppose it was the same for the inhabitants of Cairo way back when the pyramid of cheops was nearly completed. not sure if most people know this but the pyramids when completed where clad in gleaming white limestone/marble, thus so bright you couldnt look at them without squinting. sort of god like structure, which was the pharoas idea. the beautiful marble slowly deteriorated over the centuries and was also used to build local houses, thus the current stepped stone look.
http://www.filebuzz.com/software_screenshot/full/11333-Sphinx_Scr.jpg
it sure was a wonder of the world on completion. same for this beuaty. it will be looked at for decades in awe and wonder. not only for its height but location and design.
Dubai_Boy November 24th, 2008, 10:27 AM Tried it too and it is indeed blocked. A long shot maybe, but it might be because of some naughty google ads in some of the many domain names he has registered.
He is currently using a regular digicamera with x12 optical zoom (436mm max)
Yeah i had the same problem but Imre did say it just redirects you to flickr .com
unknownquinones November 24th, 2008, 10:49 AM WELCOME BACK, IMRE!!!!
AvanGard November 24th, 2008, 12:11 PM Replies 12,212 Views 3,001,605
^^
Is that a record?
On another note, seems that the financial crisis has finally caught up with BD. I hope there are no majour delays.
Jude12 November 24th, 2008, 12:24 PM Welcome back Imre! :okay:
luci203 November 24th, 2008, 02:31 PM On another note, seems that the financial crisis has finally caught up with BD. I hope there are no majour delays.
BD is almost finished, so the financial crisis is not really a problem. But for other projects... :shifty:
Dan Hochhaus November 24th, 2008, 03:24 PM bad news, cladding has stopped because the Emaar didnt pay to the contractors, I have heard some others companies also stopped.
good news I am back and will have an internet soon:)
*excellent pics as always*
Great that you're back... but this would be tragic if you'd have the opportunity now to take tons of similar pics of the tallest structure, because it is on hold! :wallbash: But I still hope that this is a temporary shortage, so that BD can top out soon and get its full cladding.:master:
AltinD November 24th, 2008, 04:17 PM Moments till elliot pops in: 10, 9, 8 ...
Skymyhusband November 24th, 2008, 04:26 PM Today? :D
Maybe it'll be Nessie :D
SilentAdmirer November 24th, 2008, 05:06 PM WHAT AN AMAZING STRUCTURE
Wanna to reach the top some time.. and see the world. :applause:
ZZ-II November 24th, 2008, 06:24 PM welcome back imre :). thx for the great shots :okay:
christos-greece November 24th, 2008, 07:00 PM Welcome back imre :cheers:
bad news, cladding has stopped because the Emaar didnt pay to the contractors, I have heard some others companies also stopped.
I hope not to cause big problems to Burj Dubai tower...
Krattle November 24th, 2008, 07:01 PM I assure you the Prince himself will pay for this thing out of his own pocket before he would let stand unfinished.
christos-greece November 24th, 2008, 07:08 PM I hope...
The good news in this story that Dubai and U.A.E. stands strong against the economic crisis...
How many towers are under construction or almost finished compare with U.S and other counties under construction sites? At least twice...
Sentient Seas November 24th, 2008, 07:19 PM Very, very nice pictures, Imre. :cheers:
jacekfreeman November 24th, 2008, 10:13 PM Nice progress. Can't wait to see it finished or topped out at least with CLEAN windows.
So if I understand right even Culwulla ain't sure about the height (I know that it's never been officially published yet but you know we've all thought about 819 meters as something certain and know there are doubts?). And now some financial problems. I hope that everything is going to be fine and that BD won't end like one North Corean hotel...
Waiting for the next New Year's eve 2009/2010 - I plan to spend it in DUBAI watching finished BD ;)
wap-190 November 24th, 2008, 11:10 PM bad news, cladding has stopped because the Emaar didnt pay to the contractors, I have heard some others companies also stopped.
Aren't you guys worried about this? I certainly am ...
antovador November 24th, 2008, 11:40 PM Burj dubai is already too iconic, it will be finish
Montelly November 24th, 2008, 11:45 PM Burj dubai is already too iconic, it will be finish
This is not what he means:bash:
helghast November 25th, 2008, 12:31 AM thanks to Goat Rope
I was not too sure on where to put these, but seeing as the Burj is the most prominent building on the SZR skyline...
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/364/dsc07hhhhhh961vq1.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3539/dsc07954af2.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3964/dsc07958hs9.jpg
Taken a few weeks ago flying in early one morning from London
Deepfield November 25th, 2008, 01:22 AM Stunning shots for a stunning skyline !!! :uh:
wearethefuture November 25th, 2008, 01:39 AM ^^ A-mazing! Getting very exciting in Dubai now!
VRS November 25th, 2008, 01:59 AM all i can say just.......oooohohhhhh.........
TigarZg1 November 25th, 2008, 01:59 AM Amazing super tower!
Old Town Resident November 25th, 2008, 04:14 AM Eventually new steel at the top but I think an explanation as to the steel config from Cul or Fury needed.:cheers:
Very much out of context with previous levels and looks to have some form of a guide for the spire.
http://i37.tinypic.com/i2t85s.jpg
Old Town Resident November 25th, 2008, 04:23 AM http://i35.tinypic.com/swzfhj.jpg
Fury November 25th, 2008, 05:41 AM Hi all.
First - nice updates Dennis, OTR, and Imre.
Not very good news Imre. How reliable are your sources ? While I can see the economy issues affecting the BD I just don't see this thing being slowed down too much. Completion into 2010 does sound possible though - top out is well behind schedule for sure.
Great news in your shots OTR ! Section 23B is no different than 23A in the plans besides the fact its roof is the terrace for the start of tier 24. The different looking pieces must have something to do with jacking. Although the curved looking piece kinda looks to be about the size of half of the smaller 2 wings that are part of tier 23.
The next few days should make things more clear.
Jacking should not be long after tier 23B is up. :banana:
:cheers:
Old Town Resident November 25th, 2008, 05:46 AM From this morning taken from other angles
http://i38.tinypic.com/2rh4os0.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/dgtw1.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/2s1xddx.jpg
Fury November 25th, 2008, 05:58 AM Hi all.
Definate confirmation on 739.3m. :banana:
:cheers:
Old Town Resident November 25th, 2008, 06:02 AM Puts paid to any unsubstantiated gossip about the BD on hold.
Cladding works near the base are also in progress as I saw last night.
And to top it all this morning theres more steel on top.
DennisS November 25th, 2008, 06:43 AM Good news! Will provide some pictures tomorrow again :)
23B finally there!
:cheers:
luci203 November 25th, 2008, 09:10 AM I hope...
The good news in this story that Dubai and U.A.E. stands strong against the economic crisis...
How many towers are under construction or almost finished compare with U.S and other counties under construction sites? At least twice...
don't start another city vs city discution... :nono:
CULWULLA November 25th, 2008, 09:17 AM wow, great shots guys. ill update diagram tommorrow
739m= the roof.
adamis November 25th, 2008, 09:30 AM Look at this video ;)
http://current.com/items/89546563/world_record_base_jump.htm?xid=55
I'm sorry if it was posted, but this is amazing.
Crazy guys...
Infrasuper Planet November 25th, 2008, 09:36 AM I saw this picture, and it immediately reminded me of a similar pic of burj dubai taken from the same angle which i saved a long time ago. Anyway after some digging I found that pic, and so here i post it together with this photo for everyone to see the progress BD has made... enjoy :cheers:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3539/dsc07954af2.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/ifzznq.jpg
Desert Diver November 25th, 2008, 09:40 AM Look at this video ;)
http://current.com/items/89546563/world_record_base_jump.htm?xid=55
I'm sorry if it was posted, but this is amazing.
Crazy guys...
Has been posted, but is truly amazing :cheers:
@all
Hopefully I'll also contribute some pics tomorrow, I found a nice spot for distant pictures I believe: The bridge of Intersection #2 at Safa Park. Skyline looks very nice from there. Of course I'll take some close-ups from downtown area as well :)
-Cranium- November 25th, 2008, 10:50 AM Mmmm... close-ups :drool:
AltinD November 25th, 2008, 10:54 AM From this morning taken from other angles
http://i38.tinypic.com/2rh4os0.jpg
I drove by some hours later and the level seamed pretty much completed (partially of course, as compared with the levels below). :cheers:
unknownquinones November 25th, 2008, 11:11 AM bad news, cladding has stopped because the Emaar didnt pay to the contractors, I have heard some others companies also stopped.
Imre, you're kidding me. The 8th steel floor has now still in cladding process compared to last Friday.
Old Town Resident November 25th, 2008, 11:12 AM Update from this afternoon.:cheers:
http://i35.tinypic.com/1118fgy.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2qc2tjc.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2q20ql2.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/29f4k00.jpg
beto_chaves November 25th, 2008, 12:43 PM I saw this picture, and it immediately reminded me of a similar pic of burj dubai taken from the same angle which i saved a long time ago. Anyway after some digging I found that pic, and so here i post it together with this photo for everyone to see the progress BD has made... enjoy :cheers:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3539/dsc07954af2.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/ifzznq.jpg
Amazing!!!! :eek2:
Pablobegood November 25th, 2008, 01:16 PM Imre, you're kidding me. The 8th steel floor has now still in cladding process compared to last Friday.
Maybe they are using the glass panels they have in stock :dunno:
Durbsboi November 25th, 2008, 01:17 PM :eek2: almost there!!!
buildmilehightower November 25th, 2008, 01:34 PM 739.5m
They put out green net on the top concrete floors in OTR's last photo. That one panel of glass look so lonely as well.
ZZ-II November 25th, 2008, 03:38 PM so when this floor is finished they can start with jacking?
Dequal November 25th, 2008, 03:53 PM Those last steel floors look so fragile. If another sand storm comes, I hope it won't break off :p
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