I can't wait to see what this core box actually looks like when it gets up. It certainly appears that it may be nice n skinny, a foreshadowing of things to come.

Fark! Either way they've done a fair bit of work since Tuesday when we were there.. good signs thats its ..

All :guns1: Guns :guns1: Blazing

.. down at the front !

And a little bit mo' ..

http://users.bigpond.net.au/speckled10/FWP/DSC00500.jpg
http://users.bigpond.net.au/speckled10/FWP/DSC00501.jpg

The North Res core does look really long doesn't it!

Great stuff as usual A-brain!

The sites busy, heaps of action. Were those pics taken today A-brain?

Thanks for the pics.


James.

a good angle to see how rapidly PwC's core is rising in relation to Eureka

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/eureka_20030516sub.JPG

hopefully they get the last crane in soon to make it that much more impressive to what it is now.

Love silvermb's night work. You can almost feel the autumnal night in your shots.

I noticed today that it's not only Eureka getting its outer clothing put on, but also PWH. Obscured a little by the scaffolding is a cream granite finish with speckles in it along the south wall. It's not nearly as spunky as Eureka's though (imho).

http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album02/IMGP0221.sized.jpg

http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album02/IMGP0222.sized.jpg

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Yep twas taken today as was Phil's .. and yeah fully agree PWC's exterior is happening fast.. but not as sexy as the Big E ..

But then thats what you get from first rate Archi's vs. 2nd tier Office block Archi's ..

thats some unjustified criticism of Bates Smart there A-brain, one of the best firms going around. It's a little quick to dismiss the design based on a few pre-cast polished concrete slabs on each corner.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/pricewaterhousecoopers_1.JPG

90% of the tower's facade is glass. It could be much worse, like Riparian.

I hate that granite, but I won't mind it as long as it's mostly glass.

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Don't let JayT hear you say that. He can be vicious.

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Yeah I think I was being a little punchy last night.. I've got no qualms at all wth PWC really.. other than it's not really a *standout* design, but I'm sure it will look very slick.

But then as we've said before if *every* tower had to be standout design it would end up looking like a ridiculous drag queen contest.. much like Shanghai can look .. you have to have some balance of the out there and the more conservative ..

And god your right.. if it looked like Riparian I'd just about puke .. I'm starting to see why so many people here can't stand Shell House ..

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I can't work out what's what.

For the feeble of mind....could perhaps tayser go crazy with those (in)famous red lines and tell me what I'm looking at?:D

Cheers,

Adam

It is being reported here in SYDNEY that Sydneysiders fed up with buying in their neck of their woods have been flocking to Melbourne to buy these apartments. Out of the 300 sold so far at least 100 or one third have been bought out by Sydneysiders.

It is the begining of the Sydney invasion of the property market and you know what that means for Melbourne.

I can't work out what's what.

For the feeble of mind....could perhaps tayser go crazy with those (in)famous red lines and tell me what I'm looking at?:D

hah, no red lines this time sorry adam ;)

First pic - whole 1FWP ("Freshwater Place North") site
Second pic - the beginnings of the 1FWP core

tays

http://users.bigpond.net.au/speckled10/FWP/DSC00501.jpg

sorry to sound stupid and ignorant, but which tower is this? how tall will it be?

thanks in advance

That is the PWC (Price water house cooper's) Building or the first office tower in FWP. Pretty sure it is going to b 164m. Someone can confirm that for me!

How many office towers are there in this development? I thought this was entirely residential.

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160m!
fresh water place north will be 203m and fresh water south will be 154m.

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the pricewaterhouse tower is only office component. FWP 1 & FWP 2 are residential.

There is actually a second stage to the office component of FWP. A large, wide building of around ten stories which goes out from the poduim of the second residential tower to Queensbridge Street (It actually looks linke the lower levels of the second residential will be office space, making it a mixed use tower, but this may have been redesigned since the height came down). It will have massive floorplates and have as much office space as the PWC tower!

You can see it in this rendering, it's the zig-zag building:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/newfwprender1.jpg

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we've just been talking about PriceWaterhouseCoopers for fun Fabian................. lol

Wow, Grollo's mixed-use news re zig zag building with as much office space as PwC is news! They should make it another tower! :D And, apart from height, Bates Smart hasn't given us anything special here in FWP. I'd tend to agree with A-Brain. It's true, not every building has to be wacky and way out, but it's still possible to make statements in a conservative way. Melbourne has done very well, making statements yet retaining a staid, regal scraper 'look': eg, 120, 101, Rialto, MC, Eureka. Many of Shanghai's towers are just...CRAP. But then again, there are other cities that are so conservative in their 'look' as to simply be boring...ala Singapore and most North Am skylines generally.

FWP1 does consist of two cores, a very long one and a 'mini-me' companion, which appears to have already jumped!

:banana: Blue

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If you want a good idea of what the FWP residential towers will look like have a look at The Melburnian towers. They were also designed by Bates Smart and are absolutely beautiful. The North Residential tower will look stunning, one thin, curved blade of glass rising to 203m and only 25m wide!

The corebox for the 'Mini-Me' (I like that - lets go with it!) Core Box has definately been assembled today.. and it definately is a mini-box !!

Looks like a little Tonka Truck sized pretend core box .. :colgate:

As for design.. yeah never twigged on the fact its the same Archi's .. and hence the similarity in shape between FWP & Melbournian..

Excuse my ignorance.. but are Bates Smart the same dudes who did Fed Sq, or am I thinking of different guys ?

LAB Studios in association (or minor association ?) with Bates Smart McCutcheon.

Established 1852, projects over the years:

Melbourne Town Hall
Royal Exhibition Building
ICI House (Orica)

MLC Buildings in: Adelaide, Brisbane, [North] Sydney and Perth (1950s)

http://www.batessmart.com.au/

etc etc ;)

they've been around a -long- time!

tays

The recent construction pics taken by silvemb, SydneyDude and Phiilip Burt of FWP are excellent!!

:okay:

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heh i didnt take that photo, but thanks anyway :D

It sure is interesting htis double core look we're seeing right now. It looks very distinct from above, but it's hard to tell what's going to happen as it doiesn't look like any core I've seen before. I'm not sure if one side if lifts and the other stairs or something. If we could find some floorplan/cross section of what the tower looks like we'd be in business. :?

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SydneyDude, if you didn't take the above pic on page 14 of this thread, then who did? It does say at the top of the pic, "originally posted by SydneyDude."

The above pic's URL address is:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/speckled10/FWP/DSC00501.jpg

SydneyDude, did you just host it for the original photoprapher?

he's just quoted the picture from someone else, reposted it etc museumb.

tays

That one is one of mine.. others are from silvermb mostly..

no, Instead of quoting it, i just copied and pasted the URL.

will quote in future to avoid confusion!

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/fwp_20030519=2.JPG

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/southbank_20030519.JPG
cranes for Eureka and FWP to be added, and I couldn't fit in Crown's crane, although Southpoint's and Crown's cranes would have about a week or so left before they're no longer needed.

Standing on top of the Mirvac car park on Southbank at the moment is just amazing. Every direction there is construction and all you can hear is the constant sound of construction work (it must be a nightmare living in that low rise block of flats in between Eureka & FWP :-).

I took Marshall up there and he was amazed with the amout of construction. There would easily be more than 50 cranes up in the inner city at the moment and there are many more to come
He told me that some of the other senior editors at skyscrapers.com had doubts about the number, and size, of buildings listed as U/C for Melbourne at Skyscrapers.com, but after a tour of the city it was pretty obvious that there was that much U/C :-)

A quick list shows that there are 45 cranes in the CBD, Docklands and Southbank alone! (i'm sure thaare a few more I have missed)

YE 6
Nolan 1
Watergate 2
700 Collins 2
Wills Court 1
380 LAtrobe 2
QV 8
Eureka 2
FWP 4
Southpoint 1
Crown 2 1
Southbank Central 4
8 Dorcas 1
MCG 2
Mondriane 1
City car parks 2
NAB 2
Flinders Wharf 1
RACV 1
Concept Blue 1

The amazing thing is this number will actually increase over this year as the following projects should have cranes up by the end of the year:
HWT 2
SX 3-5
Southern Cross station 2
Victoria Point 2
GPOMelbourne 1 (for the six level extension)
Concept Blue second crane
Verve 501 2
FWP crane 5
Eureka crane 3
Royal Domain 2
Urban Workshop 2

Asyou say Grollo JUST FARKEN AMAZING!:applause:

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Museumb, is that EUREKA I see at the end of the RAINBOW?!
:D

Yeah, skyscrapers.com can eat their heart out at the Melb U/C count!

uhhh ?

Blabbyboy in one of his eccentric moods again ;)

When is Blabbyboy not eccentric I wonder ? ;)

tays

Haha .. maybe he's being eccentric but its a TOP CALL nonetheless!!!

That rainbow ending straight at Eureka is a bit of a good omen isn't it .. :angel1:


(tays did you actaully look closely at the photo?)

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Y.E.S.

:)

update please!

btw, who's gonna bet on the corebox being a "Sydney" core (like PWC) or a "Melbourne" core (like Eureka) - A-Brain will know what I'm talking about ;)

tays

Hehe yes I do know what you mean..

Well the mini-me core that is up already looks more like a 'Melbourne' Core ..

But so far by the looks of the construction of the insides so far.. the main core looks like more of a 'Sydney' Core .. all those green and yellow steel beams for starter!

:D

I'll be more than happy if it is a Sydney/PWC style core as it might mean quicker core rises !

Can you please elaborate on the 'sydney' 'melbourne' cores???

Here 'tis !

http://users.bigpond.net.au/speckled10/FWP/DSC00514.jpg

So our question has already been answered.. definately more of a 'Melbourne' core .. but really more to the point it's an.. umm.. 'Multiplex' core !

:wtf:

Now kasper... what the hell do we mean? Well look in this photo and compare the core(s) of FWP Resi 1 in the foreground vs. the Green PWC core in the background left..

The PWC core is more typical of core's you see in Sydney and other cities, with its kind of exposed top part and non-square perimter shape..

The FWP white core is a more classic Melbourne core, straight rectangular corrugated panels covering the whole innards ..

Make sense !?

Sometimes I even confused myself.. :clown:

PS. Love to see those yellow jacking devices on top :D Makes it nice and easy for us to spot an imminent core rise :D :D

almost go time!

Thank A-brain! I hadn't noticed!

Great pics and updates as usual!

When you mean by main core, are we refering to the office tower, or the tallest tower?

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Fabian.

There are two towers U/C

One is an office tower, whose major tenant will be PriceWaterhouseCoopers, in the pic above, it's the tower with the green corebox, 38 / 39 / 40 levels @ ~160m

One is a residential tower, the tallest of 3 towers in the complex, 60 levels @ 203m, the white corebox is the residential tower.

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Clear now ? you're not going to ask the same question 3 pages down the track?

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Fabian.

There are two towers U/C

One is an office tower, whose major tenant will be PriceWaterhouseCoopers, in the pic above, it's the tower with the green corebox, 38 / 39 / 40 levels @ ~160m

One is a residential tower, the tallest of 3 towers in the complex, 60 levels @ 203m, the white corebox is the residential tower.

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I'm aware of the fact three towers are being built, but which core of which building has been refered to as the "main core"?

Main Core = FWP Residential 1 (in the foreground - long white rectangular with the yellow U-shapes on top).

This tower also has the 'Mini-Me' small white box-shaped core with a blue horizontal stripe across (which in the previous pic almost looks bigger than the main core!).

This is why I referred to it as the 'Main-Core' back there.. sorry for the confusion!

The PWC Office Tower core is the big green one in the background left..

Mini me appears to have jumped for the second time. Woohoo!
Go time is soon indeed. :guns1: :D

Blue

PWC Core Rise

Northern bank is up above 7 now, Southern bank probably not too far behind!

tays

Another perspective (my catch word for the month :D)

I asked culwulla for the WT RLs to compare to Freshwater Place, and he drew a diagram!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/509/126worldtowerelevation-med.jpg

Now picture it standing up next to it (perhaps where latitude is rising) and tell me if you had the same response as me, that being HELLO!

http://images3.fotki.com/v24/free/aae1/2/22045/263487/154may2003-or.jpg

WT pic thanks to bulwara

:guns1:

tays

WOW...I havn't realised up until now how tall these buildings really are!!! When I saw that comparison, and then the pic of WT my jaw just dropped...I CANT WAIT!!!!!

Thanx for that tayser,
Matt:)

Holy P. Moly! Shesabewdy!!!!:guns1: :guns1: The canyon effect down the Yarra is going to be quite dramatic. What is the name of that river that runs through central Chicago that i'm thinking of as a comparison?

Blue

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The Chicago River lol ;)

however, doubt the buildings on both sides of the river are close enough to the water to get anywhere near the same effect ;)

http://www.windycityart.com/chicago/bridges.jpg

etc

tays

Grrr Why cant the Yarra be that colour? Point taken though Tays. Even so, a helicopter fly-through over the Yarra from East to West (even better from west to east) will still look sensational come '06 or so. Now if we can just get Eureka off its arse.

Blue

I thing progress may be fairly dull for the next couple of months. The podium will take forever to build; ten levels or something covering the whole site. Similar to building Riverside Quay again with a 200m tower on top.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/fwp_20030528sub.JPG

Don't you just love the smell of newly-laid wet concrete at Freshwater? They were still real busy not slacking off, ie. working there today up to 3.30 pm.

When I got there to snap these, Tayser was babysitting the site for us all.

http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0269.jpg

http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0271.jpg

lol @ babysitting

"Mini-Me" had a rise too ;)

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/minimerise.jpg

:banana:

Great work guys! Nice to see something different in every photo!

Now is FWP north a 'sydney' core as well???

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wont know for sure until the first rise, looking more Melbourne-like now though ;)

tays

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I believe you will find that there is a public plaza behind FWP North, separating it from PWC, which is at least to some degree open to the sky. The podium construction might therefore not be so extensive...this is the way it looks from the billboards around the site.
They're sure not wasting any time.

Blue

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I believe you will find that there is a public plaza behind FWP North, separating it from PWC, which is at least to some degree open to the sky. The podium construction might therefore not be so extensive...this is the way it looks from the billboards around the site.
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I think silvermb's talking about the sheer size of 1FWP's actual podium, if you look at Phil Burt's last pic, the underside of the crane is above the top level of 1FWP's podium - it's an enormous set of floorplates that has to be built!

tays

possibly a thrid crane coming for PwC,

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/fwp_20030602.JPG

the gap on the left in the podium has to be a thrid crane placement. Like the crane to the right, it cuts through the podium and will run flush up the face ot the tower proper, while the crane on the back takes care of the massive podium. Or they may transfer the rear crane to the front down the track

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/pricewaterhousecoopers_1.JPG

so it looks like one more crane for each pwc/fwp

keep those photos coming Tays, A-brain, Phil, ect; im shutting up shop for about six weeks

Where are those models? I wonder if there are nay eureka tower models like that around, excluding Culwulla. =)

Is there a place in Sydney where we can view models of the development and can get further details?

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nah, ive searched. Its only in melb atm! maybe next year when they start to market the FWPsth tower , Sydney might get a visit by there marketing team, trying to find prospective buyers!

just on models, i was going to build a scale model of the whole FWP site and Sydney's World square to show comparisons of the two largest construction sites in OZ! I might even do FWP with prima tower which will look impressive with 4 towers! Ill put them on display in the 1;1000 display in council. first i need to get plans drom Australand! over next few months ill try and build!
cheers

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In the FWP Display Suite, just on Queensbridge street (a few doors down from QBH)

Culwulla: hah nice, I think Silvermb has the plans we got from DOI on FWP, along with a lot more pics of the models from the display suite.

tays

No sooner than one blink of the eye and there are floor, core and crane rises.

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Hey guys... funny story....

I was waltzing down Southbank yesterday when I saw three men dressed in business suites exit the queensbridge Ice Rink with what looked to be rolled up development plans in their hands. I noticed that as they walked away from the rink they turned and looked at the development going on behind. There was a lot of hand waving and sizing up so I decided to have a bit of a sticky-nose. Unfortunately there was so much noise from the trucks and traffic that I could barely hear a word they said, but I persisted and pretended I was looking at the billboards surrounding the base of sandridge railway bridge.

In the end I gave up as I couldn't get close enough to hear any major details, but I did here one guy say, "that bridge should start by january". I turned looked at the bridge and then they must have realised what I was up to, so they kept it real quiet after that.

So I made a bit of a dick of myself and didn't find out too much information. But there must be soemthing going on down there... all that hand waving wasn't for nothing ;)

MG2

LOL MG2!

nice try hahah ;)

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>just on models, i was going to build a scale model of the whole FWP site and Sydney's World square to show comparisons of the two largest construction sites in OZ! I might even do FWP with prima tower which will look impressive with 4 towers! Ill put them on display in the 1;1000 display in council. first i need to get plans drom Australand! over next few months ill try and build!
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I look forward to models muchly. Keep us updated!

Huge floorplate in the podium:
http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0308.jpg

Another part of the facade is complete - left hand corner.
http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0319.jpg

Who needs to go to the art gallery when we've got our own set of BLUE POLES:
http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0320.jpg

From the rear:
http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0325.jpg

Twin sisters?
http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0330.jpg

not long until we visually find out how wide 1FWP will be! :D

great pics PHil

Gosh after such a long wait the pace of construction at FWP in general really is astonishing isn't it ??? Seeing virtaully all the ground floor laid now and the podium ready to shoot up..

It's still only yesterday for me this site was a heaving stagnant lump with that shit-brown old brick buidling advertising the site for sale for ages.. and the VB sign.. and the crap old Aust Post building ...

Anyone with me in saying that while Eureka feels like it's taking an 'Eternity' .. FWP on the other hand feels like its motoring fast now!

Today the main long core at FWP Resi 1 had risen so it's now above ground level ..

In the words of Lleyton Hewitt - 'Whoop De Doo Dah!' !!

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In the words of Lleyton Hewitt - 'Whoop De Doo Dah!' !!</td></tr>
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or his other words...
COME ON!!!!!!

damnit.

I was going to go in today, but noooooooo freaking exams.

A-Brain: planning on taking some pics ? ;)

tays

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>damnit.

I was going to go in today, but noooooooo freaking exams.

A-Brain: planning on taking some pics ? ;)

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Though the main core has risen doesn't look all that different yet..

I did notice Mini-Me has risen again though since my last post and is now well above ground!

Also, quite strange today, they were removing the South side of the Core box from PWC South Core !! Not sure why but perhaps like Eureka it is already time for a setback in the core..

you sure the main core has risen ?

I shot up the Mirvac car park quickly after my exam today, and only noticed the "Mini-me" is another level higher (as you said above)... but the main core ??

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I shot up the Mirvac car park quickly after my exam today, and only noticed the "Mini-me" is another level higher (as you said above)... but the main core ??</td></tr>
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Well.. yeah I might be wrong, but the yellow 'jack-up' thingies that will help it rise have dissapeared.. so I assumed it had risen above those .. unless they removed them or have lowered them in..

But looking at Philip Burts fist pic there above where the yellow things are clearly showing and looking at the relative height of the core to ground.. I'm fairly confident it has risen..

You might have to go to ground level and stand next to QBH up close to get a better idea..

Either way it's on the move!

the main core has risen half a level, wont do much until the mini-core moves clear by a few levels. Not sure, but I think the mini-core rises to the level 40 lobby and pool, where the address changes from 1 Queensbridge Square to 1 Freshwater Place. There's a cutaway pic of the tower showing the cores in the Freshwater brochure if anyone still has it around

Yep Crane V was being assembled today.. expanding the 'Mindf**k of Cranes' on Southbank as tays has so eloquently put it..

Also lots of podium assembling action including walls now happening in the quadrant between PWC & FWP Resi 1 near the Ice Rink ..

:guns1:

pour it!

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/fwp2406031.jpg

progressing nicely:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/fwp2406032.jpg

Great pics on all the thread's Tays thanks for doing that!!! Always adding to the site!!

So a core rise and pour was happening when you were there? That podium has come a long way since the last pics! Great stuff!!

While just down the road Eureka is at a snails pace, FWP seems like it is going extremely fast!

Yeah, I'm pretty much ignoring Eureka atm, IMO people seem to focus on it too much, when all around the city craploads happens when sweet FA does at Eureka!

They'll have to raise the 1FWP core soon - the podium will cover it otherwirse lol!

tays

Maybe Grollo should have gotten Multiplex to build Eureka for them!LOL

Great pics tays! I do believe this is my very first post on the FWP thread! Have been getting a bit fed up with the snail's pace of the big E of late. Was wondering, are the big E and FWP both being built by Grollo? If they are, why is the E taking so damn long between core rises??

With your last pic tays, how tall is that part of FWP going to be? She's going to be one massive sucker if she's going to be in the 80's!! :D

One last question :) Why do the workers only work till 3.30? I know they probably start at first light but I thought if they want to see some real progress they'd work form dawn till dusk.

The mut :D

FWP is built by Multiplex.

Can't remember how many floors exactly on FWP, but it's in the 60's I think...

203m to roof.

2 Southbank Boulevard (PriceWaterhouseCoopers Tower) = 38 floors / 160m, being built by Baulderstone Hornibrook

1 Freshwater Place (The Northern Residential) = 60 floors / 203m, being built by Multiplex.

http://www.skyscrapers.com/ex/wm/bu/sh/index.html?txt=Freshwater+Place&id=100504

tays

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/fwp630.JPG

is 2SB up to level 8 yet ??

...woo hoo @ 5 cranes in one shot :cool:

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...woo hoo @ 5 cranes in one shot :cool:</td></tr>
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Yeah kinda I think.. half way there..

Also looks like 1FP main core is set for another rise

The site is starting to look a bit messy now with all the scaffholding and cranes.

So which bit is the fp1 core? The big white one next to minime? Or can't we see it yet?

Cos the big white one is going the wrong way isn't it?

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It's the long, skinny Multiplex white one. It's not going the wrong way. But neither is it rising very rapidly.

I'm not sure why the building needs two cores including the eccentric mini-ME (which Tayser is in love with lol), but it's all rather novel.

Fabian: The "messy look" with so much scaffolding and so many cranes is exactly the skyscraper nirvana that we all want to see ... isn't it?

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yep!

It's really progressing at an amazing rate.

Look at the difference, even between Tayser's shots
on 24 June and Silvermb's from the other day.
Does anyone know the reason for the tin sheeting
layer on the podium.

And there's been a core-rise at PWC.

http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0371.jpg

http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0369.jpg

http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0375.jpg

http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0382.jpg

most towers with massive floorplates are built like this. you can see the reo from the columns sticking out in a straight line between the metal sheeting. this area when poured is generally twice as deep as the rest of the floorplate so the metal sheeting allows the floorplate to be thinner without loosing any strenght. walk past QV and you can see it

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/qv_20030703=9.JPG

i'll bet the tower proper will be a stright out concrete floorplate though

great pics Phil!

there's bound to be another core rise very soon with 1FWP - as I said earlier, the floorplates will swallow the core other-wise lol ;)

grollo / silvermb: do the plans for PWC (cant remember if we got a copy of them ??) have level 7 as the top of the podium / first level of offices ?

cheers

There was a core rise today to expose Level 8 on the North Core of PWC ..

And it has been *totally* reconfigured .. which explains why we haven't seen a rise for a while...

Back to weekly pours & rises now methinks :D

Thanks to Pilip Burt an silvermb for your fantastic FWP photo/pics' updates on FWP on page 18 of this thread.

The FWP construction is going fullsteam ahead with the cranes, floor plate/s updated, mesh screenings, corebox/s etc.

At this stage (depending on semester breaks from my part-time Architectural Technology classes) I will be visiting Melbourne @ the end of Sept./beginning of Oct. to check out the site and will be taking my own pics of the site - and to post my own pics on the thread.

See how that goes. :okay:

There was a core rise today to expose Level 8 on the North Core of PWC ..

And it has been *totally* reconfigured .. which explains why we haven't seen a rise for a while...

Back to weekly pours & rises now methinks :D

:banana: x 3

At this stage (depending on semester breaks from my part-time Architectural Technology classes) I will be visiting Melbourne @ the end of Sept./beginning of Oct. to check out the site and will be taking my own pics of the site - and to post my own pics on the thread.

lol - I have a feeling when and if a group of us go up there, there'll be mass-construction-pic sppamming in the New South forum ;)

let us know when you've decided to come down, we'll organise something etc.

____________

one more :banana: for the road.... errr for PWC's core rise :D

thanks A-brain!

tays

Here is a pic which shows the PWC floor levels:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/2sb cutaway.jpg

And just a reminder of how damn good FWP is going to look when it's finished:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/2sb wow.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/2sb city road.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/2sb piazza.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/2SB top.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/2sb across yarra.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/2sb across yarra 2.jpg

@Grollo (or anybody else for that matter).

I feel within my heart of hearts, that FWP will eventually prove to be far superior to these glossy renderings in reality. Mind you, will the tallest be as vertically elongated as it is in the above glossy night renders/overviews?

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I feel within my heart of hearts, that FWP will eventually prove to be far superior to these glossy renderings in reality. Mind you, will the tallest be as vertically elongated as it is in the above glossy night renders/overviews?</td></tr>
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I doubt it will - imposing yes, but it's just Australand trying to "cheat" so to speak - considering Eureka nextdoor

This is probably the best context rendering I've seen (even though it's not all about FWP and 1FWP's setback is a little higher than where it is)

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/prima13.jpg

Another annoyance is how all the 2SB renderings differ, the uber-glossy one's the best (and I'd sure as shit hope it turns out like that)

anyhow... ROCK ON EF-DUBBYA-PEE :rock:

sometimes I get too excited with FWP.

...perhaps I should seek help ?

maybe....

lol - carry on...

thanks for posting those renderings again Grollo!

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I feel within my heart of hearts, that FWP will eventually prove to be far superior to these glossy renderings in reality. Mind you, will the tallest be as vertically elongated as it is in the above glossy night renders/overviews?</td></tr>
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Although the one render does have a pretty extreme perspective I think that The tallest tower will easily look that thin. It is only 25m wide and 203m tall! That will make it the slimmest tower in Australia and the curved glass blade at the front will make it appear even thinner than it is!

Grollos description sounds like FWP1 maybe as good as Aurora, Sydney, but not quite!

Jeez loueez this site is gunning it. Fantastic! Is there any word on progress as to when Australand will release Tower Two onto the market? I fear we might have to wait until longer than '06...

Blue

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>@Grollo (or anybody else for that matter).

I feel within my heart of hearts, that FWP will eventually prove to be far superior to these glossy renderings in reality. Mind you, will the tallest be as vertically elongated as it is in the above glossy night renders/overviews?</td></tr>
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I doubt it will - imposing yes, but it's just Australand trying to "cheat" so to speak - considering Eureka nextdoor

This is probably the best context rendering I've seen (even though it's not all about FWP and 1FWP's setback is a little higher than where it is)

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/prima13.jpg

Another annoyance is how all the 2SB renderings differ, the uber-glossy one's the best (and I'd sure as shit hope it turns out like that)

anyhow... ROCK ON EF-DUBBYA-PEE :rock:

sometimes I get too excited with FWP.

...perhaps I should seek help ?

maybe....

lol - carry on...

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Huh? That's prima isn't it? not fwp.

look closely on the left, and please dont quote whole images / series of images.

tays

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/fwp1107031.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/fwp1107032.jpg

Wow Tayser ... you've caught another core-rise at PWC. Great shot.

That main corebox at FWP just hast to rise soon .... doesn't it? Your prediction about the podium swallowing up the core has just about happened.

/me scratches head

I dont think the northern bank of 2SB was rising when I took that pic ???

There were a lot of Multiplex people down on the footpath, I didnt even think to ask them about when 1FWP's core would rise - d'oh!

progressing well!
The architects for FWP are finally sending plans so i can build the model for my display!ill make some smaller 1;2000 if anyone interested. it will be the basic common podium with the 3 towers. im thinking of attaching prima also. that should make a nice cluster of scrapers.:D

It would be nice to have a copy of those plans because I am in the process of redrawing the FWP diagrams :-) I only have a small copy of the old plans with the 218m north tower and the old podium design.

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as soon as i get them ill email them to you. i think there going to be pdf files.
cheers

both core banks are up to 8 now.

The Northern bank looks about to reach 9 and they were pouring flat out on the southern bank at 3:30pm today.

Still no rise on 1FWP core, although the podium had a fair chunk of concrete poured over it today (about to go up to the second loft (pouring level three) floorplate.

tays

tays can take a Chill Pill ..

FWP1 Main core rose today .. though it's still swamped by the podium supports around it !!

Looking beastly tho.. it's gonna be heeeuuugge when that big long bugger is 20 levels about Southbank and rising...

finally!

*takes chill pill*

are all 3 towers UC ?
if not what ones are UC ?

2 of the 3 towers are UC

203m FWP north tower UC
160m Price waterhouse tower UC

still to come, 154m FWP south tower will probably be marketed next year.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

The FWP and PWT sites are going up like a bat out of hell. Considering FWP is nearly twice the size of the big E it's a bit of a worry for the big E workers! Maybe the workers on the big E should come over the the FWP site to see how real work is done :D

Freshwater Place nearly twice the size of Eureka ?

the whole development is, but the biggest of the otwers is only 2/3rds the size of Eureka............ :?

Core Rise for 2SB:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/fwp1607031.jpg

Random:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/fwp1607032.jpg

Random:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/fwp1607033.jpg

The 1FWP core rise is barely noticable (didnt even bother taking a pic)

tays

Prima would really be the icing on the cake here!

Originally posted by tayser
Freshwater Place nearly twice the size of Eureka ?

the whole development is, but the biggest of the otwers is only 2/3rds the size of Eureka............ :?

Yep! That's what I meant. The whole development. The whole area is going to look bloody magnificent when complete! Imagine the skyline coming over the westgate when all is finished in Southbank!! :guns1: :guns1:

Originally posted by ciaobellaxo
Yep! That's what I meant. The whole development. The whole area is going to look bloody magnificent when complete! Imagine the skyline coming over the westgate when all is finished in Southbank!! :guns1: :guns1:

believe me.... I go into many daydreams just trying to visualise all these big-bastard towers complete ;)

you don't have to worry bout that one! :guns1:

tays you overlooked the addition of a sixth crane in your pics above, only noticed it yesterday

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/500f_20030719.JPG

well there you go :cool:

How much higher do you think 8 on Dorcas will be (background just to the left of sentinel for those who dont know which tower I'm talking about), another 10 levels ??

Originally posted by tayser
Core Rise for 2SB:


The 1FWP core rise is barely noticable (didnt even bother taking a pic)

tays

it won't happen again tays.

i just received plans of freshwater from Australand today. they mailed me a huge roll instead of emailing! silly buggers
anyway its good to see the plans up close so i can make a small model more accuratley.
Its true that it will be Australia's most slender skyscraper at only 25.5m wide. Im suprised how large the podium wil be on FWPNorth.
The 10storey bldg will measure 62m x 80m long. the actual FWP complex measures 135m (south-north) x 162m long on south elevation.
the FWP north floor plate measures 25.5mx64m.(eureka is 48mx 53m)
The height of FWPNorth is still 203m but the plant room has returned and reduced overall roof height down to 195m. So the roof will have an 8m high plant which consists of 2 storeys. Now the total floor count is 62 above ground!
The setback on eastern face is 153m high.
Ive got to contact them again for plans of Ernest & young & FWPsth.

cheers

I think you'll be seeing a lot more huge podiums in future Cul! A few big podiums directly / indirectly create laneways, and new laneways are always favoured down here (UW and QV are prime examples).

And yeah, the podium for 1FWP (that's its actual address / name instead of FWP North now) is massive - won't be long until it makes it mark big time on Southbank.

woo hoo @ slenderness!

What's WT's width (east - west) ?

Originally posted by tayser
I think you'll be seeing a lot more huge podiums in future Cul! A few big podiums directly / indirectly create laneways, and new laneways are always favoured down here (UW and QV are prime examples).

And yeah, the podium for 1FWP (that's its actual address / name instead of FWP North now) is massive - won't be long until it makes it mark big time on Southbank.

woo hoo @ slenderness!

What's WT's width (east - west) ?

WT is currently Australia;'s most slender scraper height /width ratio.
Its 30m wide x 51m long.
So ratio at 30m wide x 230m =7.66
1FWP is 25.5m wide x 64m long.
so ratio at 25.5m x 203m =7.96
So nudging a ratio of 8 thats excellent.

I don't think many people realise just how tall this tower is going to look, it's taller (to roof) than 101 Collins and almost half as wide. With all the attention that Eureka is getting this one is a bit forgotten :-)

Sounds like they change the plans by the hour down at Australand :-)

What is the height of the tower above the Yarra (is AHD marked?).

Originally posted by Grollo
I don't think many people realise just how tall this tower is going to look, it's taller (to roof) than 101 Collins and almost half as wide. With all the attention that Eureka is getting this one is a bit forgotten :-)

Sounds like they change the plans by the hour down at Australand :-)

What is the height of the tower above the Yarra (is AHD marked?).
its sits on 3m, so top of LMR/plant =206mRL.

is there any way you can scan some of the plans cul ?

tays

Originally posted by tayser
is there any way you can scan some of the plans cul ?

tays
lol. the elevations are 1metre long! even floor plans are huge. im going to call them back for reduced plans. its ridiculous!

While i was chatting to Australand project manager for 1FWP, i asked him when will the tower top out? he said it will go up 1 per floor per week and be 60storeys high this time next year! He mentioned how the core is now above street (which we know) and it will really take off in August! woohoo>>>
its going to be weird seeing a 200m high scraper next to a 300m high scraper next year?? wow imagine pix you guys are going to get! 91floors +62 floors =153 floors of concrete!!!

:guns1:

hopefully multiplex go hammer and tong on their other two big projects, E&Y & SX, too :guns1:

thanks cul.

tays

2FRESHWATER PLACE NOW TALLER!! just got plans of the 2nd Freshwater place unit tower and it has got a little taller . The roof height is 154m but now has a 2storey plantroom (just like 1FWP) which is 8m high, thus height is 162m high. This makes it 2m higher than the freshwater ofice tower.
tays,grollo, ill see if i can scan some plans if you want.
cheers

Thanks that would be great Cul,

I think we might have to wait until they start construction on FWP2 until we know for sure what the height will be, if the Southbank apartment market took off again next year we might even see it go higher again!

YES ! what a bonus !

As Tays would say,

152.4+ metres (500") OR NOTHING!


:D :D :D :D :D :D

cheers

lozza;)

Originally posted by CULWULLA
2FRESHWATER PLACE NOW TALLER!!

1 FRESHWATER PLACE & 2 SOUTHBANK BOULEVARD are too!

core rises!! :D

Floor-to-ceiling height difference ?

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/fwp0108031.jpg

AT LONG LAST.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/fwp0108032.jpg

thanks for the info Cul! :D

162m is the same height as the Arts Centre spire, quite a few proposals on southabnk relate back to this height, Royal Domain is 162m to tip of spires and Imperium was going to be 162m to tip of spires also.

tays-
2 southbank boulevarde floor to floor heights are exactly 4m. (to nearest cm)
Freshwater res towers 1 &2 floor to floor heights are exactly 3m.(to nearest cm).
grollo- the roof height of freshwater2 matches height of freshwater1 "shoulder" height of 154m. It indicates this on elevation-as a new condition. so looks like it will stay this height. The australand project manager for fwp told me this also.
what ill do is copy some a3 plans and mail to you if you like. the fw1 plans are huge (1;100) .
let me know address by pm and ill post next week!
cheers

Originally posted by CULWULLA
tays-
2 southbank boulevarde floor to floor heights are exactly 4m. (to nearest cm)


what about below level 9 ?

what I meant to say was that after the long core reconfig (see the difference above level 9 in the pic above).

Unless L10 is a Plant ?

I'll go for a copy of the plans!

:)

tays

the ground floor is 5m high. the next 8 levels are 2.8m for carparking, then level 10 is plant which is 7m high!. after that its 3m res floors. :)

no.... 2 Southbank Boulevard Cul ;)

Originally posted by tayser
no.... 2 Southbank Boulevard Cul ;)
yeah it was for 2 southbank bvarde! but i should of said -after plant room, 4m office floors (instead of res floors). sorry its been a long day!lol

haahhah, just keeping you on your toes Cul ;) :guns1:

Anyhow.

Other's are pissed at E taking too long, well this -whole- development's pace pisses me off.

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2SB Core(s) look to have risen another half-level, the first floors of the main tower -look- to be coming out from underneath the underbelly of the corebox(es) right now.

Also it's looking ever more imposing now the scaffold has been removed from the roadway entry side of the podium, and the podiums almost at the same height as the level most of us go to in the Mirvac Car park.

1FWP - well, yeah, it's moving along (not as much noticable change since last visit as compared to 2SB)

tays

Am I right in speculating there's been another core rise at 2SB ?

Whoa, these towers are huge!!!

How come Melbourne gets fat apartment towers and Sydney doesn't?

just completed a 1;1000 model of FWP! Nowim doing one of Prima and it will go on display in cabinet at council. i cant beleive how large FWP is! Its actually bigger than World Square. Im eventually going to make Wsq also at 1;1000 to put next to FWP to show comparisons for Australia's largest complexes.
World square measures 140m each side. FWP place is a dif shape but has sides 80mlong (River front), 138mlong facing east, 160m along rear . Ill post pix soon of the model.

Tays-grollo, what copies of FWP did you want. i can only photocopy some elevations of office tower/1FWP. also some floor plans . ill need to mail so pm me your address ect.
cheers

awesome cul (model pics) :guns1: :guns1:

*trots off to write a PM*

Yeah the FWP site is massive, I'm not sure it would be bigger than the QV site which is a whole CBD block or 100m X 200m. The only other whole CBD blocks which have been developed are Melbourne Central and the redevelopment of the old government offices site (Telstra HQ, Casseldon & Urban Workshop). Collins Place was 2/3 of a block at 100m X 140m.

Some vacant mega sites in the CBD:

The CUB site at the top of swanston: 100mX160m
The Age site: 100mX130m
Former Spencer Street power station: 100mX120m
Australia post Cnr. Spencer& Latrobe: 150mX130m

The site which Crown Casino was built on is 440m X 130m or three CBD blocks!!! Including Crown 2 and the Car Park/Galactic circus sites linked by skybridges to the main building it covers the area of 4 CBD blocks!!!

Grollo thanks for those figures.It just goes to show how big the Casino really is.

The Royal Exhibition Building in carlton measures 175m long x 100m(transept). Sydneys QVB measires 186m x 30m.

Ive noticed on my plans of FWP that the southern part of Southbank Boulevarde the Rl is 2.5m. The top of 1FWP is RL206.45m,but this is roof slab, not including 1m high parapet. Thus top is RL207.45 thus 204.95m above grd, which is close enough to 205m. new official height! also roof is 197m.
1Southbank Boulevarde is also 1metre higher. The top is Rl163.5m-Rl2.5m = 161m
ill amend ss.com if want.
here is a 1;1000 diagram of World Square (George st elevation) and FWP (east elevation-SBB).
gives you an idea of size. Ive put Prima in right posi inbackground. Its at widest point is 54m wide.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/126wordlsqvfwpdiagram.jpg

another excellent diagram :-)
Damn, Prima is going to be huge! I really hope it goes ahead, no word if it's got a permit or not yet.

I can't believe the size of FWP either! Esspecially the height of it all! When I see pictures of World tower it looks extremely tall and FWP 1 isn't that smaller! It is hard to imagine!

Great diagram cul! I never realised it was soo big in area!

Whats the status of Prima? Is it a definate? If so, I am extremely happy for Melbourne, but extremely jealous at the same time.

Originally posted by SydneyDude
Whats the status of Prima? Is it a definate? If so, I am extremely happy for Melbourne, but extremely jealous at the same time.

Grollo will confirm but a am pretty sure it was approved but is being put on hold for a couple of years due to the state of the apartment market.

Grollo?

EDIT: As I wrote that i realised that in his post he said 'not sure if it has its permit yet!' There is your answer Sydneydude!

I actually talked to Primas architect months back and heave gave me a great description on its time table.
If i remember correctly, they are demolishing premises at end of 2004, and commencing construction early 2005. The tower will be completed in late 2006/early 2007.
I dont think its approved yet but its progressing through planning process.

just imagine all 8 towers on the same FWP block - they'd all be sharing walls somehow ;)

nice one cul!

Prima should get built because it isn't being proposed by speculators but is being proposed by the people who have owned the site for 20 years, the cashed up Schiavello family. They are doing VERY well out of the current office mini boom in Australia at the moment, here is a bit of background from BRW:

Brothers Tony Schiavello and Joe Schiavello, who moved to Brunswick, Melbourne, from southern Italy in the late 1950s, began making demountable partitions at their home in 1966. They moved into ergonomic furniture and then commercial fit-outs. Their Schiavello Group, with annual sales of about $180 million, now has 35% of the Australian office fit-out market, and exports account for 12.5% of the company's furniture sales.

The wisdom gained by the older Schiavellos is being passed on. Tony's eldest son, Peter, is deputy managing director, and his youngest son, Paul, is general manager of production. Both started on the factory floor after finishing school (Peter first helped his father at the office when he was eight). Schiavello says that keeping the company in family hands preserves its integrity. 'You put yourself in the position of staff and customers and treat them as you would want to be treated yourself,' he says.

Schiavello is not ready to retire, but says Peter could take the helm tomorrow. 'He has far more ability and knowledge that I had at his age.' The Schiavello family is worth an estimated $63 million.

Tony Schiavello:
http://brw.com.au/stories/20010518/images/174_Schiavello.jpg


Sounds a bit like the story of the Grollo family :-)

We sure do know how to make 'fat' towers don't we? :D

heres a scale site plan of FWP overlay with World Square.
as you can see the comparison is similar but if you include Prima is larger.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/126fwpwsqsiteplan-med.jpg

World Square, really is a square - lol [/der comment] is the name to do with the physical dimensions, or a square as in a plaza cul ?

Also, I always thought 2FWP would have more of an angle heading South West from 1FWP, and didn't expect it to be on the BMW Melbourne / FWP property line!

I'm looking forward to these plans Cul! :D

tays

So the final heights, to top, for the Freshwater towers are as follows,

FWP1 - 205m
FWP2 - 162m
PWC - 161m

and Prima is confirmed at 218m.

glad thats finally cleared up.. always nice to add a few metres here and there.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Originally posted by Dean
So the final heights, to top, for the Freshwater towers are as follows,

FWP1 - 205m
FWP2 - 162m
PWC - 161m

and Prima is confirmed at 218m.

glad thats finally cleared up.. always nice to add a few metres here and there.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne
correcto mundo!

heres another quick digram of the southbank giants! seen from west eleavtion.
Crown casino is in foreground to show comparison.
Ive shown Prima in forground with PWH behind.
also showing Eureks current height of 130m.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/126fwpprimaeurekadigram.jpg

:guns1:

that's Skyscrapers & Skylines material cul!

*hint hint* :D

Originally posted by tayser
World Square, really is a square - lol [/der comment] is the name to do with the physical dimensions, or a square as in a plaza cul ?

Also, I always thought 2FWP would have more of an angle heading South West from 1FWP, and didn't expect it to be on the BMW Melbourne / FWP property line!

I'm looking forward to these plans Cul! :D

tays

Thats the name of the original development slated for the site back in the mid 1980's. As we know, the collapse of the property market would spell doom

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/01/179952.jpg

Anyway the scrapers being built there on site are much better than these.

Fabian, the whole complex is still known as WORLD SQUARE! the monorail stop also indicates this!
there are smaller parts which are known as
Ibis Hotel
Hordern Tower
World tower
Ernst & Young Centre
Latitude - (podium)
East Apartments
= world square

Hey cul, do the plans show anything on the cores of 1FWP ?

The main long one looks to be only one elevator-wide, under 10m wide easily!

Originally posted by Fabian
Thats the name of the original development slated for the site back in the mid 1980's. As we know, the collapse of the property market would spell doom

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/01/179952.jpg

Anyway the scrapers being built there on site are much better than these.

That pic reminds me of the WOEFUL Suntec City development in Singapore - sterile, humungous and four-pronged nonsense.

From http://www.usefilm.com/image/135578.html
http://www.usefilm.com/photos/users/14913/gallery/135578.jpg

The following description from http://www.singapore.holiday-inn.com/sinpv/attractions.html:

Suntec City Designed to be a 'city within a city', it houses the Singapore International Convention and Exhibition Centre (SICEC), one of the largest convention and exhibition venues in Asia, five office towers offering a total of 2.3 million square feet of rentable office space and a mega shopping and entertainment centre offering a unique and unconventional shopping experience. This is also the location of the world's largest fountain, the Fountain of Wealth - 3 kilometres

I have an update: as I type this, they are MOWING the grass off the historic Sandridge rail bridge that leads to Queensbridge Square, which will be turned into a pedobridge! The western bridge was shaved of its grass as of yesterday, and they're doing the eastern bridge right now!

There are also small construction vehicles and workmen on the bridge.

Originally posted by tayser
Hey cul, do the plans show anything on the cores of 1FWP ?

The main long one looks to be only one elevator-wide, under 10m wide easily!
yeah it shows the lift core. It measures only 6m wide but 30m long! This will finally extend 9m above roof.
just for comparison-
World Towers was 12m x 30m
and Eurekas was 12m x 24m.
cheers

I thought as much, it's extremely skinny!

But "Mini-me-core" is a little wider.... hrmmm

Mini me and 'me' :D are now level with each other @ about three floors up, and appear to be progressing on level terms from here on.

Blue

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/eurekafwp1808031.jpg

well, looks like someones getting their moneys worth from VIP membership... :)

Nice work Tays.

You've even managed to get the new Domain building (can't remember it's name).

Also, I've noticed recently that they've started work on rail bridge. Looks like they've started on the top in the pic!


James.

New Domain building ? 8 on Dorcas (up near RDT) ???

Anyhow, cul's model pics from this thread: http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55217

MOVE OVER EUREKA!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/502/126primafwpfromabove.jpg

Hi Eureka:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/502/126eurekfwpprimamodels.jpg

Go find a pic of WT sitting in Sydney's skyline, then come back and compare to these... huge mofos [and also imagine them in Southern CBD of SYd!]

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/502/126fwpprimawt.jpg

http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0426.jpg

http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0427.jpg

http://pnavy.com/prburt/albums/album01/IMGP0432.jpg

HéHé.

I like podiums :rock: [not the time that they take to construct though :(]

great pics!

I'd also kill for that apartment in the third pic (where someone's on the balcony) - I've never known, but whats that building called ???

Originally posted by tayser
http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/eurekafwp1808031.jpg

Freakin brilliant pic tays! Southbank is looking denser by the second! ;)

Maybe I'm being a little greedy here, but damn I wanna see what Mirvac are gonna do with those three riverside office blocks they bought! ;)

They could really only get one twoer on the site where the ar park is now, the rest of the site is too close to the Yarra and they couldn't build higher than the existing office buildings. A complete redvelopment of the office buildings and a 160m tower on the car park site is probably the best we could hope for.

There are another couple of sites around FWP which could accomodate big towers as well. The QBH and the crappy building next to it could make way for one and also that awful 7 storey office block on the corner of City Road and Power Street.

In the longer term I think the BMW showroom will also go to make way for more towers.

Also the 'mini-me' core is just for the podium level apartments and will stop at level 10. From the plans it also looks like the second tower will be a mixed use tower with offices on the lower levels.

Are those warehouses on the southern side of City Road (opposite BMW) heritage listed ?

...I'd love to see those CE "condo" *shudder* towers covered up... ;)

tays

They are heritage listed but there is no reason you couldn't build towers behind the facade like CE has done with Melbourne and City towers.

Originally posted by Grollo
They could really only get one twoer on the site where the ar park is now, the rest of the site is too close to the Yarra and they couldn't build higher than the existing office buildings. A complete redvelopment of the office buildings and a 160m tower on the car park site is probably the best we could hope for.

There are another couple of sites around FWP which could accomodate big towers as well. The QBH and the crappy building next to it could make way for one and also that awful 7 storey office block on the corner of City Road and Power Street.

In the longer term I think the BMW showroom will also go to make way for more towers.
Great to know there are still a few potential sites! And the Mirvac triple mini office blocks + carpark could easily have a tower set back as far back (ie on the current carpark site), at least as high as Sheraton, but probably taller becos it's not as close to the river as Sheraton. How high is that? And it would have to be on the carpark site to avoid "hiding" or building out Eureka's views.

Note also from Tay's pic that work has already begun on the transformation of the Sandridge Rail Bridge to pedobridge - no more grass on the surface and a vehicle on the bridge itself. It's also boarded up on the Flinders St side with construction vehicles. Shame they're not pulling it down for a Santiago Calatrava-like archistatement! :D:bleep: :D

Ah....Santiago Calatrava! I always thought he would be the ideal architect to design the landmark building for the end of the pier in Victoria Harbour.

BTW, has anyone heard any more about that ladmark building? I thought there was a competition being run and that it was meant to be announced soon...

It is great that there is such nice progress on this huge project! Melbourne will really change its face once both Eureka and Freshwater are up. It will create a good additiona and a nice balance with the other side of the Yarra.

should intergrate the southgate & crown casion precints nicely, because there used to be abit of gap in activity esp. because of that road. any idea whats happening to the bridge where they origonally planed to put the ferris wheel.

They made it ANOTHER footbridge. No balls bloody Bracks Government... honestly...

*shakes head*

MG2

2SB Core Rise! :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/fwp2808031.jpg

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/fwp2808032.jpg

going vertical....

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/fwp2808033.jpg

god damn the light.

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/fwp2808034.jpg

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Good to see Freshwater PLace starting to rear its head a bit more! It'll certainly be a blessing right there next to Eureka.;)

I know this is trivial, but how come (in Tayser's great first and second shots of 2SB) floor 11 has suddenly been downgraded to floor 10 if you see what I mean?

If the Q1 lot are doing a bit of sabotage, you'd think they'd be "downgrading" Eureka!

Originally posted by Philip Burt
I know this is trivial, but how come (in Tayser's great first and second shots of 2SB) floor 11 has suddenly been downgraded to floor 10 if you see what I mean?

If the Q1 lot are doing a bit of sabotage, you'd think they'd be "downgrading" Eureka!

oh well doesnt that mean that it will end up 1 floor taller in the end? bring on the ghost storeys! heheh

These podiums are now starting to piss me off ROYALLY.

2SB's podium is playing catch up to the core, it looks like, before the core will do any significantly rise anytime soon...

although on the plus side for 2SB, I don't think we're far away from seeing the tower forming itself!

and 1FWP's podium is just dog slow [as was predicted by the resident construction nut, none other than silvermb :guns1: earlier on in the piece]...

*taps foot impatiently*

I say that now, and tomorrow there'll be a core rise... lol, justice or what ? ;)

I had a chat to Bates Smart architects today, and the fate of the second stage (third tower) is VERY undecided. They are considering a number of different options including all residential, all commercial and a mix of both. They are looking to proceed before the planning permit expires, but Australand are mulling over their options.

The mixed-use tower option would be good, may get the tower back up to it's original height:D

220m ? mmmmmmmmm ;)

pic from Tuesday arvo (9/9):

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/fwpeureka0909031.jpg

another thing silvermb pointed out on the same day, is that it looks like 2SB's tower-proper is now forming.... yipeeeeeeee ;)

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/07/201409.jpg

a-huh :banana: :D

The current plans for the third FWP tower show 12 levels of office space with around 32 levels of apartments above (plus plant levels...). But it will be a couple of years before it is U/C so they could change the plans again and they can go up to 218m with the current permit so that is a possibility.

Good to see both FWP and Eureka coming along nicely in that shot Tays.

The Rialto skydeck really is THE place to take a construction shot of these 2 babies. You can see practically everything that's going on with them both and there's so much to take in. Along with World Square in Sydney this is a very exciting area to watch with towers galore going up!

Bates Smart told me a few weeks back theres no chance of going higher than 48st/162m for the 3rd tower
He didnt mentioned mixed use at all, only res ontop of office as grollo mentioned.

great shot!

Originally posted by CULWULLA
Bates Smart told me a few weeks back theres no chance of going higher than 48st/162m for the 3rd tower
He didnt mentioned mixed use at all, only res ontop of office as grollo mentioned.

Sorry Cul, but does'nt res on top of office mean mixed use:?

The lady I talked to at Bates Smart did not mention anything about height, only that Australand have not decided what function the tower will be....will depend on what market is stronger when the tower eventually goes ahead. Depending on how long they delay the tower could mean an entirely new planning application anyway....

Originally posted by Fountainhead
Sorry Cul, but does'nt res on top of office mean mixed use:?

The lady I talked to at Bates Smart did not mention anything about height, only that Australand have not decided what function the tower will be....will depend on what market is stronger when the tower eventually goes ahead. Depending on how long they delay the tower could mean an entirely new planning application anyway....
i thought you ment the tower was mixed use.
I actually talked to the chief architect for FWP. He mentioned the height wont go higher than the "shoulder" of 1FWP which is approx 154m, no mater what the towers use. anyway hope it doens have to much of a delay. i hate it when multiple tower complexes have delays with part of there site- aka World Square.:)

hmmm....I hope so too:)

The architect that I met with was the 2IC for Freshwater, and she reckoned that if they have to resubmit, they might not get approval for a tower the same size. Might be because it would be stand-alone and not considered part of a larger site:(

Sorry 'bout the confusion, seems like the mixed use part she was referring to was the use of the podium maybe...

The plans for Freshwater Place are included as an incorporated document in the planning scheme with a height of 202 metres for the south tower. So any permit only has to match what is in the incorporated document. I don't any reason why they wouldn't get a permit extension anyways.

Originally posted by tayser


Please don't include LARGE images when quoting



I still get confused when looking at the fwp site... The tallest core is the shorter fwp? or the PWC?

Is that narrow little core fwp1? The tallest of them?

Gday Kushantaiidan

The tallest building in the freshwater complex is the core on the right. ( this is the short core that has the baby core next to it .) this residential building is going to be over 200m tall. It is going much slower than the core on the back left obviously.

the tall core on the back left side of the site is the office tower Price Waterhouse Coopers. ( that is going to be roughly 160 m tall ) That is the tall core with the green layer around it !

also, the 3rd tower for the site is the second residential tower. however, that core hasnt started yet, and wont start till either next year, or the year after that. it will be located behind the first residential tower, and to the right of the price waterhouse office tower

the core obviously on the far left is the eureka tower, which is not in the freshwater complex at all, but on a seperate site.



hope that helps

cheers

lozza

205m - 1FWP, 161m - 2SB

Core rises are definitely on the cards this week for both towers "Oiye can feel it in me wortas" - well not really, but you get the idea ;)

INSTEAD OF TAKING note of every single cubic centremetre of concrete being poured into EUREKA, can someone take the time to check out FWP over the next few days ? ;)

I'm not gonna be around much, so... yeah, forget bout Eureka for a few days, 2 more weeks til another core rise....

THANKS! :)

TAYS! You're a mean bad bad man. Now I can't compare lozzas post to the picture without going back a page. =(

Originally posted by lozza
Gday Kushantaiidan

The tallest building in the freshwater complex is the core on the right. ( this is the short core that has the baby core next to it .) this residential building is going to be over 200m tall. It is going much slower than the core on the back left obviously.

the tall core on the back left side of the site is the office tower Price Waterhouse Coopers. ( that is going to be roughly 160 m tall ) That is the tall core with the green layer around it !

also, the 3rd tower for the site is the second residential tower. however, that core hasnt started yet, and wont start till either next year, or the year after that. it will be located behind the first residential tower, and to the right of the price waterhouse office tower

the core obviously on the far left is the eureka tower, which is not in the freshwater complex at all, but on a seperate site.



hope that helps

cheers

lozza

Thanks loz.. I know which one eureka is though.. heheh. It all makes sense now anyways!

Loft Construction in the podium

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/fwp2009031.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/optushouse/FWPsmaller.jpg

It was so windy yesterday all the cranes were facing the same dircection!

great pic Kasper!

perfect angle for a Prima profile shot too ;)

Grollo, do you have / have access to anymore renderings like this one:

from Australand's site (far right rendering)

http://www.australand.com.au/allaire/spectra/system/mediastore/400x101_apts_mel_freshwater_proj.jpg

?

Got 'em all full size (or extra fuill size) but I have to find them :-)

If / when you do, can you whack em up on here please ?

cheers

FWP's podium is going to be a MONSTER! :guns1:

its hard to believe FWP1 is the 4th tallest buildig UC in Australia TO ITS ROOF).


EUREKA-297M
Q1-275M
WORLD TOWER-230M
1FWP-205M

to spires

Q1-322M
EUREKA-297M
RIPARIAN-249M
BT TOWER-240M
AURORA BRIS-238M
WORLD TOWER-230M
LATITUDE-222M
1FWP-205M

Originally posted by CULWULLA
its hard to believe FWP1 is the 4th tallest buildig UC in Australia TO ITS ROOF).


EUREKA-297M
Q1-275M
WORLD TOWER-230M
1FWP-205M

to spires

Q1-322M
EUREKA-297M
RIPARIAN-249M
BT TOWER-240M
AURORA BRIS-238M
WORLD TOWER-230M
LATITUDE-222M
1FWP-205M
Somebody, remind me again how tall FWP is compared to Rialto?

Blab,

FWP resi tower one is 50 Meters smaller than the Rialto.

253 m compared to 203 m -

give or take a metre or 2 !!!:dooby:

cheers

lozza

Gday Cullwulla. :hi:

I oticed abouve u said that FWP Resi 1 is 205 M

I thought it was 203 M

unless u were referring to its height above sea level???

cheers :dooby:

lozza B !

lozza: read back a few pages.

Blabbs: it'd be noticably taller than the Rialto North Tower.

oh and: 2SB is now over 11 levels above ground

tays

Just so we don't forget what this thread is about:

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/fp%20new%203.jpg

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/2sb across yarra 2.jpg

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/2sb city road.jpg

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/2sb piazza.jpg

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/2sb wow.jpg

Originally posted by lozza
Gday Cullwulla. :hi:

I oticed abouve u said that FWP Resi 1 is 205 M

I thought it was 203 M

unless u were referring to its height above sea level???

cheers :dooby:

lozza B !
the height was amended a few weeks back when i recieved plans from BAtes Smart. I posted this, its RL 207m or 205m above grd. This is height to LMR. The height to roof is 197m.
Its 62 storeys.
cheers

hence why it's a good idea to read back a few pages lozza ;)

you were watching the E thread far too closely LOL :P

Ahhh .... what's a few metres (either way) between friends?:)

It's still a vast improvement to what was there in the first place.

Grollo's post shows how important the Riverside Quay site that Mirvac bought recently is...a PwC height tower there would certainly fill some gaps!

Hi :hi:

thanks guys, :D

and yes, i have a habit of watching the Eureka Thread too Closely !:rock:

cheers

lozza:dooby:

no probs. the reason why !FWP grew was just that the ground height is closer to 2m above sea then 3m (so pick up 1 metre there) and the top height was quoted without the 1m parapet, thus 2m metres added to 203m.
cheers

Slightly old news, but still newsworthy:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/24/1056449241209.html

Fund buys key stake in Freshwater
June 25 2003
By Carolyn Cummins, Hugh Martin

Listed developer Australand yesterday sold a 50 per cent stake in the office tower at its Freshwater Place development as a part of a $100 million swoop on acquisitions by Commonwealth Property Office Fund.

The fund also secured a 50 per cent stake in Australand's King Street Wharf development as well as buying an office block at 201 Miller Street, North Sydney. The sale of the Freshwater stake follows months of speculation about a possible suitor.

A share in the 48,000-square-metre Southbank tower, which has been anchored by accounting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers, was initially thought to have been secured by AMP, which failed to complete a sale.

ING Real Estate was last seen attempting to secure a stake in both Australand office projects in Melbourne and Sydney.

The Freshwater Place project has a development value of more than $750 million. The estimated value of the office tower is $268 million, with an expected rental return of about $20.5 million.

Australand managing director Brendan Crotty said the developer's share would be placed within a wholesale property trust to be stapled to Australand in 2006.

I think only Eureka and Republic are better looking than FWP1. What a handsome beast!

Blue :guns1:

2SB's core continues skywards - the northern bank will have 12 exposed by this time mid-week I'd say.

And the podiums are certainly making their presence felt now!

bla bla bla, lets take our eyes off Eureka FOR AT LEAST ONE MINUTE.

just to make the transition easy for you all.......................

look who's popped up to say hello recently.

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/fwp0210031.jpg

Tower is forming

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/fwp0210032.jpg

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/fwp0210033.jpg

Watch this space

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/fwp0210034.jpg

I reckon at the rate it is going FP will end up beating Eureka to top out first.

Thanks for all the pics tays! I think out of all the developments this will be one of my favourites..!

http://photos.heremy.com/prburt/222672288.jpg

http://photos.heremy.com/prburt/222642288.jpg

Is anyone else having trouble seeing Philip Burt's pics? Or is it just me and my ancient relic of a computer?

Not showing for me either.

And since I use Mozilla, there are no red X's, as it will just display the ALT text of the image which you can't set in vBulletin without the use of HTML tags. To view the image URL, I ahve to view source.

w00t, the pics are working :D

can anyone confirm there's been another 1FWP core-rise ?

I haven't been down to Southbank, nor had a view of it for a week now until today and it looked higher ?

And more on Sandridge

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/10/1065676159133.html

City's missing link to open by 2006
By Misha Ketchell
October 11, 2003

After years of heated debate and some whacky ideas, the State Government has released a plan to turn the Sandridge Rail Bridge into a walkway.

An artists impression of the 1888 bridge, unveiled yesterday, shows how it will be transformed into a walkway linking the central business district and Queensbridge Square, a new plaza to be built east of the casino in Southbank.

Under the plan, the eastern half of the bridge will provide a pedestrian and bicycle path linking Southbank apartments and the central business district.

The western side will be stripped back to slats, providing views of the water and an area for temporary art installations or performances on a temporary stage.

Work has started on the bridge, which is expected to be reopened in time for the 2006 Commonwealth Games.

The release of the plans yesterday ended more than a decade of speculation over the future of the bridge, which was closed in 1990.

In November 2000 the Bracks Government sought proposals to redevelop the bridge and received 11 submissions, including one for a giant ferris wheel.

But Melbourne Lord Mayor John So yesterday said the city was developing south of the river and a link back to the central business district was sorely needed.

"This is the missing link to the city centre. The council is working with the State Government to restore the Sandridge Bridge as a walkway and bicycle path. The whole area will be opened up," he said.

"It is destined to be a popular landmark where Melburnians and tourists alike will gather to meet friends, enjoy the northern sunlight, watch outdoor performers and relax."

Planning Minister Mary Delahunty said the revamped rail bridge would provide a link to Queensbridge Square and would feature elevated views of the city.

The State Government and the Melbourne City Council are jointly funding the $14.5 million redevelopment of the Queensbridge Square precinct.

It will feature an open plaza and amphitheatre for public events and 24-hour lighting

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hopefully it includes a pedo subway to meet the entrance of the other pedo subway on Elizabeth St!

Originally posted by tayser
w00t, the pics are working :D

can anyone confirm there's been another 1FWP core-rise ?

I haven't been down to Southbank, nor had a view of it for a week now until today and it looked higher ?

I haven't been keeping track of 1FWP Core Rises so far - wait till they get numbers to make it easier!! But I think it might have yes..

I can also confirm PWC has had another rise - exposing Level 12 on at least one of the cores ..

Quite visible on the LSS Webcam it is now..