There seems to be a fair amount of residential development and some commercial developments could be on the way for this rapidly growing suburban centre in the south.

The following developments are proposed at present

*An apartment tower of around ten storeys at the Corner of Butler St and Ormonde Parade on the former Commonwealth Bank site (My orthodontist had his surgery above the bank and has moved to the office tower up the street with it's sweeping views of Botany Bay)
*ACCOR Site - major residential development of several towers
*Georgia - Residential development in Pearl St of several towers
*Super Centre Redevelopment & Station Upgrade
*Masterplan is being drawn up which could signal in towers of up to 30 storeys.

Good times ahead with several scrapers in the pipeline. Another Chatswood could be on the way.

Here are some renderings of the first stages of Georgia, which are currently under construction:

http://www.citypm.com.au/html/georgia/georgia1.jpg

http://www.citypm.com.au/html/georgia/georgia2.jpg

http://www.citypm.com.au/html/georgia/georgia3.jpg

And here is a model for the overall development on the site, which will comprise 200+ apartments, and about 11,000 sq.m of commercial space.

The more detailed buildings on the model (the white buildings) are the stages that are currently being built, and the buildings next to it are the later stages, including the taller building which will be 14 storeys.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/georgia01.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/georgia02.jpg

view of hurstville skyline from Sydney Tower in June!
shows the ridge of scrapers that extend for 2km.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/509/126hurstvilleskyline.jpg

The ACCOR development will mean that that part of the skyline would not appear in that image posted by Culwulla. It's just getting longer and longer by the year unlike many other regional centres which reach up for the heavens and densify instead.

And Finn, has there been a change in ownership at Domenlli Ford? They don't even mention Hurstville in it's radio ad? Has it been renamed?

Originally posted by Fabian
The ACCOR development will mean that that part of the skyline would not appear in that image posted by Culwulla. It's just getting longer and longer by the year unlike many other regional centres which reach up for the heavens and densify instead.

And Finn, has there been a change in ownership at Domenlli Ford? They don't even mention Hurstville in it's radio ad? Has it been renamed?

Dominelli Ford (http://www.dominelli.com.au/location.htm) is now located in the shire - Kirrawee to be precise.

I think the Hurstville dealership became Dominelli Prestige Volvo? But it won't last long as the site gets developed.

Originally, a large part of the development was intended to be a new showroom, but I don't know if they still have that intention.

Gee, this sort of residential architectural style seems to be dominating the Southern suburbs A.T.M. - from Wally Creek ;) to Alexandria to the Hurstville vicinity.

So different to (generally speaking) those either built or planned for the Western suburbs which tend to be Meritonia copies even! Those of the upper Northern suburbs tend to be lower rise versions of North Coast developments.

Originally posted by finn
Dominelli Ford (http://www.dominelli.com.au/location.htm) is now located in the shire - Kirrawee to be precise.

I think the Hurstville dealership became Dominelli Prestige Volvo? But it won't last long as the site gets developed.

Originally, a large part of the development was intended to be a new showroom, but I don't know if they still have that intention.

I remember that they going to relocate the dealership just across the road at the base of Forest Ridge Apartments but decided to have retail instead.

Here is a rendering for the nine storey apartment tower being built in Ormonde Parade. It will be about the same height as the other buildings lining the street including the SES building next door.

It would of stuck out if it were another three storeys taller.

http://img.domain.com.au/img.aspx?src=296/2004013801_S_1_1.jpg&size=640x640

The Leader is suggesting that Hurstville Council wants to annex the Kogarah controlled part of the Hurstville CBD. This could be beneficial to the Super Centre redevelopment, which the council is lobbying for.

Well, no good news here! :(

The Leader today reports that council has developed their DCP for the huge AMCOR site, on the edge of the Hurstville CBD, and that they want to restrict development to heights of only 4-8 storeys.

Meanwhile, the owners of the land are furious, since they purchased the site last year because of its development potential, with the intention of building 1000 units, with towers up to a height of 20 storeys on the site.

The DCP looks set to go before council on November 19th, so we'll just have to wait and see how this turns out I guess. But I swear they are so ignorant of town planning and development principles!

Councillor Joanne Morris says that controls are needed to protect Hurstville from massive-scale developments! WTF?!?! :bleep:

Meanwhile, the Hurstville Chamber of Commerce president seems to think that 1000 units = 3000 more people...which is absolutely ridiculous - I think you'd be hard pressed to find an area in Sydney where there are more than about 20% of apartments that have 3+ people in them!

I'm so fucking sick of ultra-conservative local government councils!!! :rant:

4-8 down from 20
Thats a big change I would be feeling ripped off too

The towers would look very overpowering for the eastern end of the suburb which I believe is the cause of the councils concerns. It is very well located in regards to public transport. You could even walk to Allawah Station if you wished.

But i'd like to see more before making a final opinion.

And the councillor should be aware that Hurstville wants to be up there when it comes to being a major Sydney centre, there needs to be some big developments occuring within the suburb like the supercentre development

Bad news from the council meeting last week for the developers with the council restricting the scale to which the site can be developed. They ain't too happy.

And thats all I know as The Leader did not go into it too much.

D/A for three tower office complex next to Westfield to be lodged with council next week!!!

The site bounded by Humpheries lane, Park Rd & The Avenue is currently home to a carpark and youth centre. A nine storey tower is to be built on The Avenue, six storey tower on Park Rd and a five storey tower in humpheries lane. A public carpark will be built on site to replace the existing spaces and the youth centre will relocate to Tracey St. The buildings will be about the same height as the adjoining Westfield.

It has been dubbed as the biggest commercial development in a decade!!!!

Originally posted by Fabian
D/A for three tower office complex next to Westfield to be lodged with council next week!!!

The site bounded by Humpheries lane, Park Rd & The Avenue is currently home to a carpark and youth centre. A nine storey tower is to be built on The Avenue, six storey tower on Park Rd and a five storey tower in humpheries lane. A public carpark will be built on site to replace the existing spaces and the youth centre will relocate to Tracey St. The buildings will be about the same height as the adjoining Westfield.

It has been dubbed as the biggest commercial development in a decade!!!!
9,6 & 5 storeys i wouldnt call towers, maybe lowrise office structures. what a bummer! we want more 12st+ scrapers!:bash:

The Illawarra Catholic Club has joined in the development bandwagon, announcing plans to expand the club by building a six storey building in Crofts St, next to their existing premises. This would mean a fifty year old four/five storey building would have to be knocked down, which may anger locals.

And as for the AMCOR site, it's been pretty quiet as of late.

New Scraper Proposed for Hurstville!!!

A 12 storey residential scraper along with a seven storey residential tower is proposed for Woodville St. They are trying to secure 1 Barrat St, which is home to a council toilet block to enable the development to proceed.

Here's an envelope for the site. The taller tower would be about the same height as the 13 storey McMahon Plaza. I notice too what appears to a building McMahon St next to McMahon Plaza for another 12 storey scraper which appears to have been approved by the council. So does that mean another scraper on the way too?

http://203.55.19.99/portal/ebp/buspapr2003.nsf/399a199e8d373197ca256da9000fce25/b5a587f1a581141aca256df80083d5d0/$FILE/View1.jpg

http://203.55.19.99/portal/ebp/buspapr2003.nsf/399a199e8d373197ca256da9000fce25/b5a587f1a581141aca256df80083d5d0/$FILE/View3.jpg

I've also checked council minutes regarding the commercial development next to Westfield but nothing was mentioned in relation to it.

I bet Culwulla has a grin on his face after reading this!!!!

And for me, I'm absolutely gobsmacked by all this. I never thought there would never be so many proposals. Hurstville is on the verge of a transformation that will completely change the face of the place forever.

Wow, thanks for the newsflash Fab! Where did you get this info from? Is it on the council website?

I've always wondered when details would come forward about the the 1 Barratt St + "Lucky Towers" Development site! A developer purchased the Lucky Towers building a couple of years ago, and said that in good time he would propose a suitable development for the site! Excellent stuff!!

Also, the three building commercial development on The Avenue/Humphreys Lane/Park St can be seen on public exhibition in model form at the council's planning counter (the former library building, before the new library was built on Queen St).

It looks like a really cool little complex actually, with 15,000+ sqm of commercial space proposed in a very glassy/contemporary design - in fact, the council decided that the proposal was too glassy, and asked that a huge curved expanse of glass be broken down a bit so as not to disorientate the nature of the streetscape.

Anyway, very cool to see this all happening! :D

I got those renderings from the council website where details of meetings are published. The proposal for the residential towers was mentioned in the council meeting of December 17. The office towers were also supposed to be mentioned but mysteriously did not appear.

Here's the link to the minutes of council meetings

http://203.147.192.214/PageZone_BusinessPapers.asp

I will be checking this from time to time as to keep people informed of any new proposals.

The other development indicated in the rendering of the 1 Barrat St/18-22 Woodville St proposal is located at 29-31 MacMahon St, on the Church of Christ site.

The proposal is for an expanded church and related facilities, topped by commercial levels only (no residential). Because of the height of the lower church levels, and the the upper floors consisting of office space, the end height will be of only 10 storeys - however I think it will provide a fine additon to the building form and streetscape of the area!

The end development will produce much expanded church facilities on the lower two levels, a public space/forecourt related to the church, and office levels above totalling approx. 2832 sqm of office space, occupied wholly by church administration.

Here are some pics, with the 1 Barratt St development evident in the background:

Model view from MacMahon St:

http://203.55.19.99/portal/ebp/buspapr2003.nsf/399a199e8d373197ca256da9000fce25/72e284836d919412ca256df100281541/$FILE/Church%20of%20Christ%202.jpg

Building envelope:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/29MacMahon2.jpg

Perspective view rendering - looks excellent!!:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/29MacMahon1.jpg

If that office tower goes ahead, it will be the second tallest office tower in Hurstville. The 42m Viewpoint Tower near King Georges Rd is the current tallest at 12 storeys and 42metres.

It's a nice design overall and would be topped off perfectly with a nicer rooftop to make it stand out from the other towers in the area.

And for those who cannot read the rendering, it will be 38 metres tall. It's actually 37.7 metres tall (37700mm)

great, things are looking good. Should be an impressive skyline in 2005-10,

The McMahon St Office Tower was approved by Council!!!!

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR HURSTVILLE - ANOTHER SCRAPER
:cheers: :guns1::cheers1::hug: :nocrook: :okay:

And this was approved despite 36 objections, mainly by residents of McMahon Plaza concerned about the loss of views on the value of their apartments & returns.

Originally posted by finn

Meanwhile, the Hurstville Chamber of Commerce president seems to think that 1000 units = 3000 more people...which is absolutely ridiculous - I think you'd be hard pressed to find an area in Sydney where there are more than about 20% of apartments that have 3+ people in them!

I'm so fucking sick of ultra-conservative local government councils!!! :rant:

A recent letter to the local rag "The Leader" by council gives a more realistic estimate of the number of people living on the site. Estmates range between 1500 and 2100.

Meanwhile here is a closeup image I took of the skyline from Sydney Tower

http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/P1010166.jpg

And one of the whole skyline

http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/P1010229.jpg

Great shots Fab! I love the Hurstville skyline from this view because it really shows it's huge length, plus the density of development in the main central core! :D

An update on the AMCOR site development I scanned:

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/auswy/hvlamcorupdate.jpg

It's not a bad scheme and the overshadowing issue isn't a major problem either being confined to the rail tracks. It's very dense for Hurstville, but since there is a similar scale of density up Forest Rd with Georgia and the Meriton developments (Bellevue & Gateway) and hasn't caused any major problems with infrastructure and traffic, I cannot see anything wrong with this. Also there is a 12 storey residential tower across from the site, built some years back.

But it's the road layout that concerns me and how they could deal with the increased traffic. It will have to involve the improvement of traffic flow.

Hill St is a bit of tough road to navigate as most Hurstville traffic goes onto that street and have do a left then a right into Tracey St. It could become a bit of traffic blackspot around there. Also i'm concerned about the impact of traffic at the intersection of Forest Rd & Durham Rd. There are no traffic lights here and being at a location where Forest Rd curves, it's another potential blackspot. One condition of the development may have to include placing traffic lights there as to improve flow around there and make that intersection safer.

yeah i saw this on my leader. cool. hope it gets up, local residents are furious about the project.
Hurstville need this one!

Here are some other pics of the development I took when it was on display at Hurstville Library - some are a bit blurry, but the lighting in the area where they set up the display was absolutely shocking!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/amcor01.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/amcor02.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/amcor03.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/amcor04.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/amcor05.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/amcor06.jpg

There were excessive amounts of documentation which were all crammed onto a tiny little table! Anyway, I'm not sure what I think about it...the designs of the buildings are fantastic, and I like the heights as this will be a "bookend" for the Hurstville skyline, but like Fabian, I am dubious about the traffic impact. The display did however include a massive traffic study conducted by independant traffic analysts, so that may appease the council?

Anyway, goes to council in April, and I am more than certain it won't go through without a lot of amendments, so we'll just have to wait and see what the final outcome will be.

thanks finn!
Ive added all 5 bdlgs to ss.com under (The Summit). This will do until we get official name.
Are the 2x 10storey bldgs office?
anyhow ive shown this-
tower 1-17st/60m res
tower 2-12st/40m res
tower 3-12st/40m res
tower 4-10st/35m off
tower 5-10st/35m off
The hurstville count is now 18 with many more to come!

Originally posted by CULWULLA
thanks finn!
Ive added all 5 bdlgs to ss.com under (The Summit). This will do until we get official name.
Are the 2x 10storey bldgs office?
anyhow ive shown this-
tower 1-17st/60m res
tower 2-12st/40m res
tower 3-12st/40m res
tower 4-10st/35m off
tower 5-10st/35m off
The hurstville count is now 18 with many more to come!

The office space in The Summit is located in the podium levels of numerous buildings, but the bulk of all the towers is residential - there are not any "all office" towers.

Here's another 10 storey building to add to Hurstville - The Orchid at 14-16 Ormonde Parade:

http://www.justlisted.com.au/images/51/x5644scimgp2567.jpg

It has quite a large LMR, making it higher than a typical 10 storey apartment building, as well as rooftop terraces above the 10th storey, so kind of like 11 storeys. You can see the size of the building in this close-up pic of Fab's - it's the pale blue/grey tower left of Park Plaza and to the right of the Empress Tower twins:

http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/P1010166.jpg

no worries. thanks for the pic/info!
cheers.
theres a couple more 9-10 storey apartment blocks i havent added either. i think there on Forest raod at other end of town. They could be just 35m high.

Originally posted by CULWULLA
thanks finn!
Ive added all 5 bdlgs to ss.com under (The Summit). This will do until we get official name.
Are the 2x 10storey bldgs office?
anyhow ive shown this-
tower 1-17st/60m res
tower 2-12st/40m res
tower 3-12st/40m res
tower 4-10st/35m off
tower 5-10st/35m off
The hurstville count is now 18 with many more to come!

All the towers will be residential. There was no mention at all the space being put in a single tower, if not two. The commercial space is spread across the towers.

Just a reminder too Cul to add the ten storey, 38 metre Church of Christ Tower to the SS.com approved list for Hurstville.

Originally posted by Fabian
Just a reminder too Cul to add the ten storey, 38 metre Church of Christ Tower to the SS.com approved list for Hurstville.

It's in there, under 29-31 MacMahon St, listed as proposed.

Hi Finn

Just thought you guys need the jpg image on Amcor Site.

http://www.3designarchitect.com/Amcor1.jpg
http://www.3designarchitect.com/Amcor2.jpg
http://www.3designarchitect.com/Amcor3.jpg
http://www.3designarchitect.com/Amcor4.jpg

Cheers
Alxg

Thanks heaps alex! They look much better than my crappy pics! ;)

Cheers! :)

No problem, Finn

Cheers
Alxg

"The Leader" is reporting that the adjoining Kogarah Council has concerns regarding the increase in traffic on it's roads in relation to the development proposed for the ACCOR site, and as a result has lodged an objection with Hurstville Council.

Also the FSR for the site is been breached by the developers. The FSR for the proposal is 2.6:1 while the council has a FSR of 1.5:1.

If approved, it will be built in three stages over six years.

http://www.imageshack.us/img1/9191/hvl6.jpg
http://www.imageshack.us/img1/6398/hvl5.JPG

Wow! I am so definitely voting for Labour if this is what we get in Hurstville!!! Go Labour - Bring it on! :D ;)

EDIT: see below

Good scoop Winston. Hurstville will be on it's way to becoming another Chatswood if all this development is approved.

I like upgrade that's proposed for Diments Way as well (visible in the rendering). Thats been a very neglected, lifeless and rundown throughfare for shoppers accessing Forest Rd from Westfield.

The redevelopment proposal for Hurstville Station looks quite good though but the towers could be designed a bit better. They look a bit bland in the rendering.

The residential development for Barratt Street has been approved by Council. The council will also incorporate a new public toilet block into the development to replace the one currently occupying part of the site.

excellent more public toilets to clean! lol
http://www.denegnet.ru/pictures/toilet.GIF

I think its excellent that they've managed to co-ordinate/amalgamate a few lots together to produce a useable development site!

That little toilet block was a potential impediment to the success of the site, but they've managed to work it out nicely, and produce an approval for another Hurstville high-rise! :)

http://203.55.19.99/portal/ebp/buspapr2003.nsf/399a199e8d373197ca256da9000fce25/b5a587f1a581141aca256df80083d5d0/$FILE/View1.jpg

yay more towers!! too bad they mostly under 12 stories (feel like crying) i went to chatswood and the towers were MUCH higher than that! that supercentre must have some development soon, when i walk in there it's like a shanty-town nearly all the shops had "for lease" / "for sale" except for the ones next to the enterance and exit for the station. by the way there are many chinese in hurstville (i am one too) and were we come from (hk) we are used to towers so u wont be seeeing any disagreeing to the next generation of apartment complexes hehe^^
also one of the towers in the amcor site look like they are from the world square complexe in the city but much smaller(use of polyons on the outside structure and lots of windows.) :drunk:

Yeah, there seems to be a bit of a rush of new proposals for Hurstville at the moment...including another one I found the other day when I was at council!

In the customer service centre (old library) they have a huge model of the Amcor development and surroundings - including the vacant site next door to Amcor, which has a grey block model of the "probable development envelope" for that site!

It is a stepped envelope, rising to about 13 or 14 storeys on the corner (about same height as plantroom of Forestpoint, across the street), and can be seen on the far left in the picture below, next to the Amcor towers:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/forest01.jpg

and in this kinda blurry zoomed in shot I took:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/forest02.jpg

While it's great that council is presenting so much potential for tower developments, I just want the developers to hurry up and start building some of them! ;)

Good shots Finn. Is that grey model part of the ACCOR site redevelopment or is that a separate highrise proposal?

I cannot see any problems with the redevelopment of the site other than my suggestion of placing traffic lights to control traffic at the intersection with Durham Rd. I even like the idea of planting trees along the perimeter to block out some of the visual impact of the towers, particularly along Kempts Field. The towers themselves are well spread

Looking at that model, I've noticed on the site for a mid rise development on the site of the Anglican Church. It looks like the day care centre/pre school next to the church is set to be redevelopment. I have memories of going to that day care centre as a little kid. Even the site of Dick Smith is set be redeveloped.

It's going gangbusters in Hurstville and I cannot even keep up!!!!

I have to say ive been lurking in this thread for ages, since Hurstville is my local area. The new buildings going in look fantastic, and i have to say bring on more! - but can they at least be taller!:P

How many new commercial buildings though are there going to be all up?

Also with the liberal campaign i thought, well yeah ill vote labour for all those towers. Though the only thing left for them to do is a major update of the shopping precint, and a major upgrade of westfields, its too crowded in its existing state. If they have to bulldoze the building, and build something fantastic on the site, it would be excellent.

Fabian - the site with the grey block model for the proposed tower is a separate site from the Amcor site. You may have seen the site before if you have driven down Forest Rd - it has been cleared for a couple of years, and used to be the location of a service station.

I have followed the history of DA submissions for the site, and it used to have proposals for 6/7 storey apartment buildings, but they never went ahead. I have a feeling that the owners were waiting for the Amcor site proposals, because obviously the council would have to allow them to build to a similar height, since the sites are adjacent.

As far as that model goes, the translucent blocks are existing buildings that are unlikely to be redeveloped (heritage listed, already developed to maximum potential etc), the white buildings are the development allowances according to the Hurstville Town Centre development plan, and the grey blocks are the probable development allowances. Of course nothing is set in stone (as has been shown numerous times with this council), but it gives an indication at least. :)

I have to say ive been lurking in this thread for ages, since Hurstville is my local area. The new buildings going in look fantastic, and i have to say bring on more! - but can they at least be taller!:P

How many new commercial buildings though are there going to be all up?

Also with the liberal campaign I thought, well yeah ill vote labour for all those towers. Though the only thing left for them to do is a major update of the shopping precint, and a major upgrade of westfields, its too crowded in its existing state. If they have to bulldoze the building, and build something fantastic on the site, it would be excellent.

Hey James, yeah, taller buildings on the Amcor site would be nice, but I think the proposal they've put in is pretty extravagant considering the site being on the very edge of the Hurstville CBD - as cool as it looks, I'm kinda worried that it will just flood the Hurstville apartment market (being so damned big), and mean that other proposals dont go ahead!

I pretty sure that the tallest buildings they'll build in Hurstville are the twin towers they seem to show on the Supercentre rendering - they'll be about 20-ish storeys (same height as Park Plaza) and on the very ridge of Hurstville (where the railway line runs), so they would look brilliant on the skyline I think! :)

As for commercial buildings, at the moment, current commercial approvals include the Church of Christ office building on MacMahon St, the office development on Park St (3 buildings, 9, 5, 3 storeys, 15,000sqm of office space), and whatever office buildings they propose for the Supercentre development. The current trend for suburban office buildings is not like the tallies built in Chatswood in the late 80's/early 90's, but more for campus-style developments, or mixed-use, so unfortunately we probably wont pick up any supertalls. But who knows really - nothing is definite I don't think! :)

And yeah, I agree that Westfield is crowded and needs redevelopment - it is amongst the top 10 centres in Australia for annual foot traffic (~14million people), yet not particularly big (~65,000sqm) so it will always feel squeezy I think. Hopefully they will work out a plan for redeveloping or expanding some time soon, but I haven't heard anything as of yet unfortunately.

I think if they advance a bit more with the proposed Supercentre redevelopment, then it maybe the catalyst for projects such as a Westfield expansion. ;)

Finn -

With the AMCOR site, they would be smartish, and release it one building at a time wouldnt they?:s

As for the commercial development i was wondering, just because there seems to be this push for Decentralization of the CBD, and i was thinking that Hurstville would become the Southern Area CBD.
The other reason i asked, is becaused i have started to notice a lot more people are counter commuting.

I hope the supercentre redevelopment goes ahead! the current building is a heap of shit! - and the bakery in there is disturbing, i saw a pigeon calmly walk in, eat the crumbs, steal 3 bread rolls, and then leave :puke:

As for Westfields, its not so much the crowdedness that gets to me, rather the noise. And the super mini refurb they did, seemed to exasserbate the problem. :wallbash: so yes, hopefully the supacentre, and Roselands developments will give them a good kick up the arse upgrade.

Hurstville is southern Sydney's regional centre. It does attract a reasonable working population not just from southern Sydney, but the Illawarra as well. What disappoints me about Hurstvillle, is that it has missed numerous opportunities over the years to establish itself as one of Sydney's major regional centre. It seems that there has been little emphasis on attracting commercial development in recent times and residential development has taken away potential commercial sites. It's good to see that the council is focusing more on commercial development, as shown by the recent proposal for The Avenue/Park St and the Church of Christ site (even though the church will occupy it). The council has to promote it even more and this is the only way Hurstville can establish itself as a major regional centre for Sydney.

As the for the SuperCentre, we keep hearing of redevelopment proposals for the existing retail space, but nothing has happened. The place hasn't been redeveloped since it opened 40 years ago.It's been left to rot even further, despite the huge volumes of people it can attract. Some areas of the complex are dead. Tenants just keep moving out. I remember McDonalds had interest in opening a store there. Were are they now????.

If Hurstville really wants to attract commercial activity and attract firms from the CBD, it needs landmark office towers which can offer CBD style office space. I believe the two towers proposed for above the station should be commercial in order to ensure this. It increases the likelyhood of a large firm basing their operations in Hurstville. This would increase the likelyhood of further commercial development and commercial towers around the station, which means it can compete against other regional centres for firms. The residential development can stick to areas away from the Central Core.

If Hurstville really wants to attract commercial activity and attract firms from the CBD, it needs landmark office towers which can offer CBD style office space. I believe the two towers proposed for above the station should be commercial in order to ensure this. It increases the likelyhood of a large firm basing their operations in Hurstville. This would increase the likelyhood of further commercial development and commercial towers around the station, which means it can compete against other regional centres for firms. The residential development can stick to areas away from the Central Core.

Like I said, commercial towers aren't really the go lately for suburban centres - everyone wants large floorplates (i.e. North Ryde/Norwest/Mascot etc.) - people want something that the CBD can't offer if they're going to relocate, and an office campus is not economical in the CBD, in most cases.

The general concept for a suburban centre development these days tends to be ground level retail, a couple of levels of commercial offices and residential above. It is just more profitable to give the residential apartments the good views, as opposed to the offices.

In terms of getting head tenants, the only sure way to do this is to get government agencies out first to "break the ice", and then some of the corporates follow - Hurstville has the regional ATO, which is the Hurstville CBD's biggest office building (~15,000sqm), and the NPWS headquartered in Viewpoint office tower, as well as the regional Police HQ in the old St.George Building Society HQ building (before it expanded, became St.George Bank and moved to Kogarah) - but we need Parramatta-style government movements like Sydney Water, Department of Commerce etc.

Who knows, this may come with the Supercentre redevelopment because of it's scale and the government architect's involvement in the planning process.

The two tallies on the centre will be residential no doubt, but expect at least a few office towers in the redevelopment, as there will be a total of 9 towers on top of the rail line by the time the whole scheme is complete. :)

1)Yes, that's true, people must think of something that the CBD doesn't offer. But maybe redevepoling the supercenter for office towers is good or bad,i don't know.

2)But the office space can be filled up quickly as people currently working in the CBD can relocate/get a new job in the new office towers(more office space and lower communte times[trains]).

3)But on the bad side since the shops currently are mostly abandoned, maybe the new shops also must have something that the current shop don't offer. Also replacing those OLD esculators at the forest rd entereance is good.They are old and sometimes are out of survice (can someone remember an artcle about this in the leader some time ago?).

4)But building residental towers (mostly are now) will increase the demand for jobs, therefore we may see the develpoment of more office towers.

5)But redevlopemnt of the supercenter (this is my idea) maybe including the building of a footbridge between the supercentre and connecting to the existing footbridge at westfield (where arcade is) is decrease the amount of people using the traffic lights to cross the road to westfield and arcade. But building this can mean that there is less traffic(people) walking in the arcade therefore there maybe is less profit in the long run for businesses working there. Or making the arcade a 2-story and let the footbridge from hurstville station run through the 2nd level and shops also built on the 2nd level and stairs to the existing button level. Then the footbridge connects the existing uselss footbridge at westfield(level 2).The building of this "footbridge" can also mean more people(traffic) and have better acess between westfield,acade AND the new office towers and new shops therefore, more traffic = more customers.(i think im going crazy over this lol) :bash:
6)Also widening forest road where the current traffic lights can mean we can have more buses stops (zones?) and taxi stands built, therefore increasing the amount of people using public transport and to cope with the increased amount of commuters because of the new office towers.

7) But having more traffic in the area can affect the air quality in the area which isn't good.

I like your ideas for the supercentre, but the present tenants are quite suited to their location being located at a major transport interchange. It would be for certain that the present tenants would be offered space in any future redevelopment as well as attracting more retailers into this area.

I was just thinking too that Westfield could actually accquire the Supercentre and incorporate it into the existing Westfield by building the skybridge over Forest Road.

Also I didn't state in a previous post that Wooloworths were interested three years ago in opening a supermarket at the Super Centre, but the accqusition of the former Franklins Store inside Westfield saw them focus on the Westfield store, despite being branded "Food for Less", and not a full supermarket like Woolworths.

The problems with the Supercentre in the past related to the previous owners - Todbern Pty Ltd - who kept proposing developments for the centre, but would use the excuse of a couple of council conditions in development approvals to keep stalling the scheme (i.e. elevator access from the Forest Rd frontage :|).

Schemes proposed included a new and expanded supermarket in the centre, where the shopping centre would expand westwards over more of the railway line, as well as key tenants like McDonalds - but of course these tenants can only wait so long until they realise that the developers are doing nothing to advance the proposals.

So, finally the management rights of the centre were turned over to Kimberley Securities, who are much more ambitious, but the issue at the moment is their negotiations with the SRA (State Rail Authority) over titles on the centre, where the SRA wants the developers to pay for a lease over the site for 99 years, but the developers want a freehold title over the air-rights for the centre - so who knows what will come of this!

Hopefully something positive will eventuate, but who knows? :?

The severity of the rust in the supacentre is alarming IMHO - that building will need to be pulled down soon, if the level of rust keeps up.

i had a 15min wait at the ville, and was just looking at the rust that is occouring there. Looks nasty.

The Butler Rd residential tower D/A is now up for sale.

The AMCOR development goes before council tomorrow night, and believe it or not, it has been recommended for approval! The only suggested condition is that two of the 10 storey buildings fronting Forest Rd be reduced to 7 storeys, to lessen the bulk fronting the street!

Amazingly, only 27 letters of protest were received, which is a reason for praise of the citizens of Hurstville IMO, considering the immense scale of this development!

But of course, the opinion of the planners is not necessarily going to be the opinion of the councillors - especially considering that many were elected on "anti-development" stances, so I guess we'll see what happens.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lafin/amcor01.jpg

I find it crazy that people raise a big stink but fail to take action to ensure things get their way. It's happening with this development. Many don't want it but only 27 people decided to lodge objections in the end. They will pay the price for it with this development.

Anyway this one should be good for that part of Hurstville. That part needs an injection of people and should revitalise that part of Forest Rd.

I think this development will add further support to the Chinatown section of Forest Rd, between this development and the train station/Westfield complex. I can't imagine people living in this complex bothering to drive their car in order to pick up basic convenience items, when stores along Forest Rd are only a couple of hundred metres away. I mean, that particular strip is already quite successful, but this development will further amplify that success. Anyway, we'll wait and see what decision is made by the councillors tonight - I would be surprised if they backed the city planners 100% on their suport of the project.

Lol, I just noticed something else in the council minutes on the Amcor development:

3. A "Deemed Refusal" appeal has been lodged with the Land and Environment Court, with a hearing date set for 5th-13th July, 2004.

In other words, the developers expect the council to reject the development, and as such have a lodged an appeal with the Land & Environment Court even before the council meeting tonight! ;)

I read that as well yesterday in Tuesday's Leader. It was because they had waited more than forty days for council to approve the development. The Leader should have something about the outcome today.

Having a look at the notes for the meeting, I thought this extract was of interest summarising the Councils position in regards to the development.

SUMMARY

The subject site, at the eastern end of the CBD, enjoys considerable buffers to the adjoining residential zones via Kempt Field and the railway line. Therefore concerns about the transition between the CBD scale of buildings and the lower density residential areas is not as pronounced as at the western end of the CBD.

The proposal in general is considered a good mixed-use design which takes advantage of a rare site within the Hurstville CBD and provides for a variety of uses that will enhance the commercial centre.

The quantifiable impacts that result from the height and FSR of the proposed buildings, such as overshadowing, are confined to the site itself, there are no real off-site impacts that do not comply with Council's controls.

Although it does not comply with the height and fsr provisions of Council's Draft DCP, it is considered that variation from this control plan is warranted. Further, the applicant enjoys "existing use rights", thus the Draft DCP is to act only as a guide.

The Design Review Panels comments and Council's Urban Designer's comments present a variety of views on the urban design and visual merit of the proposal. The value of an iconic building and the relative height of the buildings that frame it, has not found agreement amongst these specialists. Their comments were presented to Council for consideration.

The proposal does represent a significant increase in the built environment at the eastern gateway of the CBD. The development application includes landscaping along the Forest Road frontage which will soften that impact to some extent, however additional measures beyond that site boundary are desirable to further mitigate the visual impacts.

Council may consider imposing a condition requiring landscaping along the street frontage and the removal of overhead wires/cables to assist in this regard.

Concern is raised with regards to the amount of landscaping on the site overall, and the connectivity of the urban plaza, through the wedge park to Kempt Field. Also, concern is raised in relation to the amount of sunlight received by the internal courtyard of Building X during the winter months.

As the development will increase the use of Kempt Field, Council may consider a condition requiring upgrading works in the park including the construction of a well-lit footpath and cycleway linking the development and Allawah Station. This was foreshadowed by the applicant in the DA.

Most objections received were in relation to the height, scale, lack of landscaping and traffic associated with this development. These issues have been discussed in detail in this report, with possible changes for the height of buildings A & B along Forest Road, and the overall landscaping of the site.

Therefore, it is suggested that should any approval be granted for this development application, it would need to be conditioned so as to address the concerns as outlined in the report. Optional conditions are included in the recommendation if Council should resolve that the height of buildings A & B should be reduced and if Council requires the parking to be reallocated to cater for visitor parking.

The council defered the approval of the AMCOR development to a special meeting on Monday night, as they had to look at another 50 pages of details relating to the development. :rant:

I should know tomorrow if the redevelopment of the site goes ahead.

APPROVED!!! :D

http://www.3designarchitect.com/Amcor1.jpg

http://www.3designarchitect.com/Amcor2.jpg

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yay start celebrating! more aprtment blocks, that ARE modern. (gateway & the beli...forgot how to spell it they look ugly)
are they going to have a shoopping centre under the complex or on the ground floor like the kogarah square project?? the kogarah square project is very modern. i think someone should start a thread on it.

Thanks finn.

It's great news that the 7 apartment AMCOR apartment site has been approved. Consisting of 650 apartments with the tallest 3 towers being 16, 12 and 10 storeys. The shape of the tallest is quite unique IMO and it has a blade-like architectural feature on top :)

Should have no problems selling the apartments with the burgeoning population in the area.

Great News for Hurstville!!!! It's already been dubbed the biggest development to ever be built in Hurstville. The council conceeded that they had no choice but to approve it, as The Land and Environment court would of granted approval anyway.

The only change that was made to the development was that retail space had been restricted to only 2000 sq/m after Westfield raised concerns that it would undermine the town centre. I think Westfield did that so they could remain dominant. They have restricted supermarkets to a maximum of 300 sq/m and discount shops (which I dread) won't be permitted to set up shop.

I am just generally chuffed about this development! :D

I was secretly concerned that it would quash the residential market with too many apartments, but apparently it will be staged over 10 years, so thats only 65 apartments released a year, which is do-able!

Plus, with 17 storey, 2x12 storey, 2x10 storey, 2x5 storey buildings, the Hurstville skyline will be boosted and extended even further in length, to just about 2km long.

It will be great to have such a huge population injection (650 apartments probably equals about 1000 new residents in the CBD), because it will increase life in the CBD shopping precincts and further boost the now thriving Forest Rd/Chinatown strip, as well as the Westfield centre (and maybe they will be pushed to expand sooner! ;)).

And finally to finish off my little ramble, the designs of the buildings are really excellent, so should add a nice new mix to Hurstville! :okay:

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The only change that was made to the development was that retail space had been restricted to only 2000 sq/m after Westfield raised concerns that it would undermine the town centre. I think Westfield did that so they could remain dominant. They have restricted supermarkets to a maximum of 300 sq/m and discount shops (which I dread) won't be permitted to set up shop.

I don't know how the politics works in the city development but...
How come Westfield has the power to restrict the retail space of other development? If they have such a power, nobody can ever compete against them. Is that how the capitalism works?

Westfield Inc. is just being a greedy hog! Like they're not immense world-wide as it is now? Pfffft!!

Try going to Hornsby's town centre and Westfield occupies most of it! Everywhere you look, in all directions, Westfiield is there.....no understatement.

Westfield Inc. is just being a greedy hog! Like they're not immense world-wide as it is now? Pfffft!!

Try going to Hornsby's town centre and Westfield occupies most of it! Everywhere you look, in all directions, Westfiield is there.....no understatement.

That is the absolute truth! The Westfield centre literally occupies 3/4 of the land zoned for retail in Hornsby centre, and because the other 1/4 of retail zoned land is occupied by one and two storey shops, and the Westfield site is 3-4 storeys of shopping centre, the centre probably contains 80-90% of the retail outlets in Hornsby!

I know Westfield had self-interested motives in complaining against retail on this site, but realistically in terms of traffic and the fact that this site is on the very eastern edge of the CBD, I think it's probably better not to have retail there, as it would break down the shopping core in the centre of the Hurstville CBD.

The one place where I would be very upset if Westfield was allowed to swing their big corporate dick is if they protested against expansion of the retail area in the Supercentre when it is finally redeveloped (whenever that may be :?).

I went to Hurstville today and took some pics of Amcor site.
It's HUGE!!

http://saitogames.com/sydney/images/hurstville_amcorsite01.jpg
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I know Westfield had self-interested motives in complaining against retail on this site, but realistically in terms of traffic and the fact that this site is on the very eastern edge of the CBD, I think it's probably better not to have retail there, as it would break down the shopping core in the centre of the Hurstville CBD.


Amcor site is actually much closer to Allawah station. (1 min walk from Allawah station, 6 min walk from Hurstville station) So can't it be considered to be the town centre of Allawa instead?

The fenced off area in James Saito's first shot is a separate site. It is not apart of the AMCOR site. A Shell service station was once there and the site has been idle for some time. I wonder what is proposed for that site. It should be able to hold something reasonable.

:?

Syd-HK - I wasn't online at this time on Saturday Night.

is double posting allowed here fabian?

The fenced off area in James Saito's first shot is a separate site. It is not apart of the AMCOR site. A Shell service station was once there and the site has been idle for some time. I wonder what is proposed for that site. It should be able to hold something reasonable.

I posted a pic of the model showing what council would allow on the site on page 2 of this thread. It is basically a structure the same height as the Forestpoint apartment complex across the street from it - it looks like a pretty good building envelope actually. It will undoubtedly be a residential complex, as that is what has been proposed for the site in the past.

I posted a pic of the model showing what council would allow on the site on page 2 of this thread. It is basically a structure the same height as the Forestpoint apartment complex across the street from it - it looks like a pretty good building envelope actually. It will undoubtedly be a residential complex, as that is what has been proposed for the site in the past.

That's good! Also is there a what is the building height limit in Hurstville?
Also i really feel sorry for the people living at the forestpoint apartments... the 1 tower complex is surrounded by 4 roads! forest road, the av, and hill st which hugs the other 2 sides.
And there must be action TAKEN about the traffic at hurtville! as the contruction of new towers increase the traffic volume. those 1 laned and 2 laned roads are overcrowded and finding a parking space is like trying to sit down to eat at westfield during lunchtime.

Also.. that gerogia apartments... the construction still hasnt started. all i've been seeing is just a huge hole for the past 3 or 4 months. can someone give me an update on when it is supposed to start?

Congratulations to Hurstville !!

Here is another image of the complex

http://www.3designarchitect.com/Amcor0.jpg

http://www.3designarchitect.com/images/gallery residential/3 Amcor 04.jpg

That 3D axo is legendary alexg! Thanks so much! :okay:

It also shows that those "10-storey" buildings are actually 12-13 storey buildings, meaning Hurstville is looking at about 5 new 'scrapers! :D

Syd-HK: the building height limit in Hurstville is very vague...the council has building envelopes drawn up for most sites in the CBD, but these seem to change often if there is a good reason for it. I would estimate that the tallest buildings that will be built in Hurstville will be the tallest of the buildings proposed over the Supercentre, which *may* reach potentially up to 30-storeys, but are more likely to be somewhere in the mid-20's (say 25 storeys).

Yep, Westfield food court sucks at lunch time - that centre is so crowded it's ridiculous, and it is one of the top 10 busiest shopping centres in Australia with pedestrian traffic figures of 14million+ annually. It needs expansions - but upwards, not outwards because there are no free sites to expand it to, unless they go over cross street and demolish some of the 3-5 storeys on that block like the Illawarra Catholic Club and NRMA HQ.

As for Dominelli's Georgia Apartments...not sure when that will go ahead. With his earlier stage of the project (Forest Ridge), it took forever, but was built eventually, so I expect the same will happen here. I expect to see proper construction starting before the end of the year.

I think I recall that the lease on the Amcor site expires at the end of this month, in which case we could see demolition and site remediation happening by the third quarter of this year now that it is approved!! :D

yay! construction starts!

p.s. congradulations on your 1000th post finn!

Lol, thanks Syd-Hk, but you gotta work hard to keep up your post count on this forum! I've already slipped back to 999 now, but this post should push me over the limit again! Wooo Hooo! 1000 posts again! It's like turning 21 every year! ;)

thanks finn,

about the levels: that model is done early this year, and it was the original plan from the developer, before council starts cutting down levels.

thanks finn,

about the levels: that model is done early this year, and it was the original plan from the developer, before council starts cutting down levels.

None of the towers had to be scaled down in height as part of it's approval.

sorry, it's not the council
I mean the developer

this model is built based on the architect's dwg, then the developer changes some of the building height prior to submission to council.

really?!

does anyone know when the contruction of the amcor site will be completed?

does anyone know when the contruction of the amcor site will be completed?

Apparently the project is staged over the next 10 years, so will be fully complete in 2014-ish.

Apparently the project is staged over the next 10 years, so will be fully complete in 2014-ish.

10 years!!! Holly shit, I will be a grandpa when it's complete.

10 years!!! Holly shit, I will be a grandpa when it's complete.

Lol, yeah, but at least it means they'll only be releasing an average of 65 apartments per annum, meaning that they won't be flooding the market, and there will be room for other large unit developments at the same time! :)

It's probably about the same time frame as other development projects like Discovery Point at Wolli Creek.

Councillors at Hurstville Council are calling for the Masterplan for the CBD to be released so that there can be adequate public consultation before "developers start dictating terms to council."

The council is proposing a number of amendments to the masterplan which include more commercial highrise development, plans to revitalise the western end of Forest Road and relocate the bus interchange currently on Forest Road. The height limit for buildings would be dependent on the commercial component meaning more commercial development = taller buildings.

Good, the govenment is thinking for ONCE! "The height limit for buildings would be dependent on the commercial component" i quite like this plan, unlike the Sydney CBD plan, which is horrible, we see everywhere the building hieght limit is weird. It is like the local government there is trying to create the "perfect" CBD

Hurstville council is ditching the first draft of it's masterplan as shown below. Councillors have had concerns over the masterplan, which is bbeing drawn up with Chris Johnston, the government architect in charge. The Council had concern over the height and density of development in some area, but also had issues in relation to open space, addresing parking and transport along with the greening of Forest Road and Queens Road. Also there is a leaning towards more commercial development along with other uses.

So lets say goodbye to this masterplan :down: :fiddle: :cry:

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The Council had concern over the height and density of development in some area, but also had issues in relation to open space, addresing parking and transport along with the greening of Forest Road and Queens Road.

Oh stop whinging stupid councillors!!!
:bash:

I find it strange that an ALP controlled Council would express reservations about highrise development, just like the folks at Rockdale have.

At least they consider the pro's and cons of such development which in the end mean a better masterplan which will result in better success if implmented in full.

The draft masterplan had too much of an emphasis on residential development and not enough on commercial development, which would of helped Hurstville establish itself as one of the city's major regional centres. It would also affirm the status of southern Sydney's main regional centre which at present attracts workers and shoppers from across the south but also from the Illawarra, only an hour away by rail and car.

guess who will be voting for liberals int he next election ;)

Liberals are just using these towers as a stupid excuse to wint he election, chances are that they will let many of them go ahead anyway!

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The constuction will start on the AMCOR site soon, the place is deserted, no cars NOTHING!

Office Towers Proposed for Two Council Carparks!!!!!

An eight storey tower is proposed for the Dora Street carpark and a seven storey tower for Gloucester Street carpark is also proposed.

The council is pushing for these sites to be developed commercially instead of residential in order to attract more workers into the Hurstville CBD. It will even change the development plan to ensure this happens. The council also affirms the move towards commercial development, telling "The Leader" that there is an imbalance between residential and commerical development within the Hurstville CBD.

Parking would be retained as part of any development with an increase in spots.

Oh how interesting! But the amount of land taken by carparks is certainly more than enough to build some great looking towers!

-Any renderings?

7-8 storey sounds a bit disappointing, but I guess that's a start.

Greetings from Vancouver!

These towers are both located on the very edge of the CBD and right next-door to 3-storey walk-up apartments (and in the case of the Dora St carpark, single-storey heritage listed terrace houses), so they are height limited to about 8 storeys. Taller towers on these sites would be too great a jump from low-rise to high-rise if bigger towers were built, so this proposed scale is quite appropriate. It will create a built edge to Hurstville CBD along that boundary, creating an urban wall form along Queen Street and builing up to taller towers in the centre of the CBD.

I would be thrilled to see more office development in the Hurstville CBD, but at the same time, while it is fine and well for the council to 'propose' such development, only the office market can provide the demand for the space and make it viable. Just have to wait and see if they get any bites I guess.

A smash repair was caught on fire on tuesday... they are going to be demolishing the site and contruct something, but i am not sure what it will be, the lot is way too small for a small apartment or office tower.

that there is an imbalance between residential and commerical development within the Hurstville CBD.



^^^they have that exact same problem in bondi junction :bash:

^^^they have that exact same problem in bondi junction :bash:

Yeah, most new towers built during 1990's and early 2000's are resdiental towers, i think only 1 commerical tower was built.

Yeah, most new towers built during 1990's and early 2000's are resdiental towers, i think only 1 commerical tower was built.

There have been just three office towers built during the period:Viewpoint Tower (the tallest office block in Hurstville), the seven storey Taxation Office Building in 1994 and just last year, a six storey office building was completed at the corner of McMahon & Barratt Street.

There was also a six storey office block built in 2000 on the corner of Butler Rd and Butler Lane...I think it's called "The Millenium".

The former Frisco furniture store on the corner of Forest Rd and Rose St was converted to a large three storey office and retail building around 2000/2001 as well.

With the movement of Hurstville Library to the new library at Phoenix Gardens on the corner of Queen and Dora Streets, the former library was converted to additional offce space for Hurstville City Council.

Pretty much all the residential developments built during this period have also incorporated some degree of commercial space (office or residential), with office space located in the ground and first floors of developments such as The Bellevue, Park Plaza, King George Gardens, Phoenix Gardens and The Orchid. MacMahon Plaza has a fairly significant amount of office space, particularly in medical specialists, throughout its podium building.

Viewpoint Tower was actually built in the late 1980's, as were many of the other completely office buildings dotted throughout Hurstville.

A D/A for a seven storey residential tower at the corner of Treacy Street & The Avenue has been lodged with Hurstville Council. The tower would contain 29 apartments along with commercial and retail space. The site currently houses a auto electrician and mechanical business

10 Objections have already been lodged by unit owners due to the proposed development blocking their views and their privacy. Sorry folks, that's not good enough.

^^It's not good enough consider that the objections are from people living in a 12 storey building!

Especially considering that they have complained that:
- It is too high (but not as high as their building! Just higher than their floor ;))
- Hurstville is dense enough already (yet they were happy to move themselves into a high density apartment complex)
- Their views will be partially obscured (yet they probably blocked the views of others with their tower!!)

What are these people? Stupid?? As if council is going to listen to such lame and hypocritical garbage! :|

The council knows that thank goodness:)

And put this down in your diaries for September - The Draft Hurstville Masterplan will be on public exhbition and the public will be able to comment on it. It will try to place a balance on residential and commercial development within the Hurstville CBD which is set to reinforce Hurstville's role as southern Sydney's main regional centre.

^ Fabain, that seemed like bit of a lazy post. You mentioned the month of Sept. but not where in Hurstville Council, the full inclusive dates and the specified times of opening/closing (including days of the week).

Could you possibly do that for us Fabian and post it all, huh?.....huh?

^ Fabain, that seemed like bit of a lazy post. You mentioned the month of Sept. but not where in Hurstville Council, the full inclusive dates and the specified times of opening/closing (including days of the week).

Could you possibly do that for us Fabian and post it all, huh?.....huh?

All I know is that it will be made public sometime in September.

Before that the council must meet to finalise the plan which is scheduled for August 25. On September 1, they will brief Kogarah Council (they control part of the CBD themselves) and then arrange to distribute the draft masterplan to their residents as part of the consultation which would follow soon after.

The consultation will last two months. No exact date as yet.

When I find out the exact date, I will post it.

^^No matter what the masterplan says, I think I will put in a letter say that they are restricting the height of buildings too much, as buildings can never be tall enough. :angel:

anyone got any construction pics of the new apartmens being buiolt next to the old car shop?

-nothing has happened on the amcor site yet. just the logos have been removed

^^Have these apartments properly started construction yet? I know they have done all the excavations for the basement parking, but I'm not sure if the actual buildings have started being built. The developers submitted an alteration to their DA to council about a week ago, so I think they're just finalising their plans first. :?

actully the crane should be up in the next 2 months i think , because i went psat the site and there are some metal polyons erected at certain locations, also there is a hole maybe that is the crane?

^^No matter what the masterplan says, I think I will put in a letter say that they are restricting the height of buildings too much, as buildings can never be tall enough. :angel:

From what i have heard, the council is feeling very sour after the amcor "fiasco" and are going to be very harsh over all high rise development in the north-eastern section of the CBD.

What do people think of the proposed Mulga Rd development in Oatley?
Its a low to mid rise apartment complex, with a commercial aspect.
The local residents are absolutley hating it, so far, though the design looks great, and actually blends into the area.

James

^^Well I live in Oatley (not Oatley West though where Mulga Rd is), and as pro-development as I am, I think a Coles there would be a traffic nightmare! I would love to have a decent supermarket nearby, but it would be better on a site near Boundary Rd or something I think.

If you think about it, the only way to get to Oatley West from Oatley is under the subway, and traffic outside the station can already get pretty congested, so I highly doubt that ths one will get the go ahead - certainly not from Hurstville City Council, although we'll just have to wait and see what the L&E Court does with it (as it is bound to end up there!).

So where did you see the design James?? I haven't seen anything of what it looks like!

The development comprises of townhouses plus the supermarket.

I don't think Oatley West is an appropriate place to place a large supermarket. It's smack bang in the middle of a residential area, well away from the main part of Oatley. It's more appropriate in the main centre of Oatley or as Finn has suggested along Boundary Road. For shoppers, it would be just as accessable.

I did some work in the council, when they started the DA work on it. I have never had such rude f*cks on the phone as when they started to complain about that.
I mean honestly, if you dont like what the council sends you, come in and have a look. If you cant be bothered to make time for that, then dont complain! (at least verbally - you cant do anything with that)

Basically the development, fitted in quite well with the streetscape and was sympathetic - it was modernistic, but not overly so. 2 stories generally 3 stories at the max, with a lot of heavy landscaping and on the artists rendition mature tree planting.

As for access, i thought that it would be more from Gungah Bay Rd - but as well, i agree about the supermarket, im not sure its the greatest location, but there is def the need. IGA at Mortdale & Penshurst aint that great.

^^Yeah, Gungah Bay Rd would definitely be the best access point, but I think you'd have people streaming from Boundary Rd down Waratah/Woronora/Myall/MiMi as well, plus all those from Oatley on the other side of the railway who would squeeze through the subway (Woonona Pde West). Even if the traffic was mainly coming down Gungah Bay Rd, they'd still have to drive through the shopping area further up Mulga Rd with all the traffic calming and streetscaping attempts!

In all truth, I think they should have let them build the Woolworths that was proposed in the main Oatley shopping centre when they proposed it ages ago, cause the IGA supermarket in oatley sucks! Although it has tried very hard to be better I think by introducing a tiny little deli counter and fresh fruit and veg! ;)

The Draft masterplan for the Hurstville CBD was made public today. You have until November 12 to have your say.

Here's a summary from the Hurstville Council Website (www.hurstville.nsw.gov.au)

Hurstville City Council has released the Hurstville City Centre Draft Concept Master Plan for public comment.

Council has worked with the Government Architect Chris Johnson to set a new direction for our City Centre which will reinforce Hurstville’s status as the regional centre for southern Sydney. Council is committed to improving the City Centre and boosting our reputation as a destination of choice.

This draft plan focuses on improvements to public infrastructure and the amenity of the city centre through a 10 point plan comprising:

1. Building our City to Protect our Suburbs – Council is committed to improving the City Centre and attracting more high quality commercial/retail activities to provide additional jobs and services for our residents. The draft Master Plan will not impact on other parts of the Hurstville Council area.
2. A New Bus Interchange - A new bus interchange to better coordinate the local bus services and provide for the proposed regional buses that will focus on Hurstville.
3. A New Civic Precinct – The creation of a new Civic Precinct on the current Council chambers block to provide new public spaces, entertainment and community facilities and commercial buildings.
4. Better North-South Connections - Improved connections across the railway line to link the Forest Road and Ormonde Parade precincts of the City Centre.
5. Improved Railway Station Access - Improved access to the railway station including a new on-grade access near the bus interchange as well as improved escalator and lift access.
6. More Open Space - Establishment of a series of public spaces throughout the City Centre to provide open space and better pedestrian access.
7. Greening the City Centre - A program of sustainability and amenity improvements by planting street trees and landscaping key gateway sites and public spaces, plus encouraging environmentally friendly buildings in our CBD.
8. Improved traffic flow and additional public parking - Review the traffic system to make vehicular movements more efficient, the City Centre easier to navigate and identify future locations for additional public parking.
9. Increased employment - Encourage more employment opportunities through increased commercial development in the City Centre.
10. Funding options for public facilities - Investigate innovative funding mechanisms for new public infrastructure including ‘value capture’ from future private development

The Council is very keen to work with the community, business and key stakeholders to establish and implement a new direction for the Hurstville City Centre. While Council has considered a range of options in formulating this Draft Master Plan, we hope that it will stimulate discussion with the community so that your ideas can be incorporated into the final document.

You can view the masterplan at this address

http://www.hurstville.nsw.gov.au/PageZone_AboutCouncil.asp?z=2&c=429&p=1006

I looked at the leader today adn it didnt give as much information as you did fabian! but it did give pictures of the new intercahnge and new park!

ALSO- NEW HEIGHT LIMIT OF 16 STORIES for commerical towers, residental remian the same.

16 stories is too tight. It means nothing will be taller than Park Plaza :bash: under this plan. 25 stories is more appropriate as Hurstville can support Chatswood style scrapers. I want to see Hurstville become the Chatswood of the south!!!

I didn't get The Leader yesterday (it comes a day late where I live) and I look forward to reading the article plus reading the masterplan in full.

Also Here's a press article on the masterplan

From The Sydney Morning Herald (smh.com.au)
Italian hill town inspires plan for a more amenable Hurstville
By Lisa Pryor, Property Reporter
September 3, 2004

Hurstville is the next suburban hub to undergo a reinvention that acknowledges a town centre is more than a collection of shops and units.

Those familiar with Hurstville's busy mix of Asian grocery stores, bus stops and shopping malls may be surprised to learn that the NSW Government Architect, Chris Johnson, had an Italian hill town in mind when he approached the suburb's draft master plan, which was released yesterday.

Rather than being centred on a conventional town square, the plan proposes a series of smaller squares connected by arcades and laneways that step down the hill.

Commercial development will be favoured over high-rise units, to provide jobs and services for locals and give the huge numbers of commuters who pass by on the train a reason to stop off.

"Building our city to protect our suburbs" is a key principle of the plan, and Hurstville Mayor Joanne Morris said the aim was to avoid the sort of overdevelopment that had occurred in nearby suburbs such as Oatley.
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A new bus interchange is proposed, reducing the 700 bus movements along Forest Road each day and making it a more pleasant place to shop.

"That will create a much more amenable retail strip where people will hopefully want to come and invest," Cr Morris said.

The draft plan will remain on public exhibition until November 12.

^^I can live with 16 storeys - 16x4m (for an office tower) = 64m, which is actually just a bit taller than Park Plaza, and if it is higher up the hill (say on Super Centre), it will appear much taller than Park Plaza. Plus, I've noticed that the tower at the redevelopment of Hurstville Civic Centre is listed as 11 storeys, but if you look at the masterplan you'll see that it is 11 storeys + ground level, so its actually 12 storeys! In this case we'll have towers pushing 70m, which is a lot taller than most of what we've seen lately!

Anyway, I'm glad if the main focus is on the streetscape, squares and public transport, rather than specifically on towers - it would be great to see a revival of the Hurstville City Centre!

I really want to see the Hurstville station building renovated. The current one looks too old and dodgy...

I really want to see the Hurstville station building renovated. The current one looks too old and dodgy...

Thats what the Super Centre Redevelopment is about. There will be an upgrade of the station included as part of any redevelopment. It needs the upgrade ASAP. The concourse is too small and it can be a bit of a challenge doging your way through the busy crowds in peak periods. Accessing the station is a bit tough too, whether you enter thanks to the poor layout of the super centre. This needs to be fixed too. I suggest the newsagent and the adjoining stores be relocated in order to improve accessibllity.

isn't it smart that the master plan involves leaving space for the hurstville sthfield line to be built?

-this masterplan is becoming a hot topic.

the carpark on dora st has been closed for geoloical inspection, this is where a proposed commerial tower is.

Apparently Multilex is negotiating to acquire the development rights to the Hurstville Super Centre off the current owners, Kimberley Securities, for 25.5million! This of course would be a brilliant situation because something might actually get done if Multiplex was involved! :)

True, The Well Built Australian gets things done. Kimberley are behind Aspect Tower downtown - say no more.

i feel sorry for kimberley Securities. they have messed around for 3 months by councils archelogically historical accessment, then another 2 months worth of boundary and piling issues with stupid neighbours.alot of things out of there hands.
anyway Aspect will commence soon.

the auto repair shop that caught on fire weeks ago is now demolised! it's now a concrete slab in place and i think it's likely to become a unit for residental or commerial soon. amocor- nothings changed , just sign removed , empty place.

The developers of the supercentre appear to be very serious about the redevelopment of the complex. It looks like they have enlisted PEDDLE THORP WALKER (PTW) as their architects :okay: :eek2: Check out the model I saw on level 17 of their offices in Capita Tower today. I was shocked to see this!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/HurstvilleModel3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/HurstvilleModel.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/HurstvilleModel2copy.jpg

It also appears that the redevelopment could comprise as many as 11 Scrapers. As you can see above, it dwarfs virtually every building in the area (even Empress Towers at 14 storeys looks puny). The tallest towers are around twenty stories tall. I think were getting more than what we bargiained for :eek2: I wonder what the reaction of councillors from Hurstville and in particular Kogarah will be when they see this.

I cannot wait to see renders for the towers. As the model suggests it looks very promising and PTW should deliever on this one.

Wow exciting news for Hurstville.

:eek2: WOW! That is the most amazing scoop Fabian! I am speechless (it's good I don't need my voice to type ;))! Talk about maximising airspace development rights!

The rest of Hurstville CBD seems insiginifcant in comparison to this proposal - it's like a whole skyline in itself, a mini-railway city! Perfect for highlighting the ridge that the Illawarra railway line runs along, and the namesake of Hurstville (Hurst=hill, ville=village).

I would have been happy with just one of those towers, but 11?!?! Oh well, I'm sure it will be pared down by the time the councillors have their say, but at least they're aiming big! As I mentioned earlier, Multiplex is trying to get in on this development as well, so it's good to have a significant force of negotiation behind the scheme! :D

Add the Gateway/Bellevue/Viewpoint towers near the intersection of Forest and King Georges Rd, plus the massive Amcor site development to this, and Hurstville will be a true standout in suburban skylines! :okay:

huge news !

WTF!!!
No, this can't be real. They are just bluffing.

:eek2: Thats excellent!

great ill add all 11 towers as soon as there an actual DA proposal. i think atm there massing models to show impact to council.

I spoke to someone at PTW today and he was able to give me an overview of the development. He couldn't give much as it hasn't gone public yet but also they don't want the media to know anything about it as yet. It's like cityone.

But what I can say is that there will be a mixture of residential and commercial towers with a new retail complex (I was told that the residential component has been scaled down). There will be public consultation similar to the Chatswood Interchange development before the D/A is lodged with Hurstville and Kogarah Councils. PTW have indicated if everything goes well, it could be all done in two years (very unrealistic) but it could take up to five years to do. If everything goes to plan expect these towers to dot the skyline by 2010.

Hurstville Council rejected the supermarket & townhouse development at Oatley West last week. Around 350 locals attended the development committee meeting to voice their opposition.

Two developments in the press (The Leader) about Hurstville

1. The masterplan for the Hurstville CBD has been approved by council. The height limit has been set at 16 storeys. The Hurstville Supercentre site has been zoned for retail and commercial development. Residential development will not be permitted.

2. Council also approved the seven storey building proposed for Crofts Street. The Illawarra Catholic Club will relocate from Woodville Street and occupy the first three (and possibly) four floors of the building with the remaining three floors to comprise of commercial space. Buildings from the 1950's which occupy the site will be demolished.

Expect Hurstville to boom over the next 12-18 months even without the Super Centre redevelopment.

my friend LIveS in HUrstyCille

Hurstville Council rejected the supermarket & townhouse development at Oatley West last week. Around 350 locals attended the development committee meeting to voice their opposition.

The developers are going to appeal the rejection in the Land and Environment Court.

I drove up Forest Rd tonight and I noticed that there is a huge hole on the site of Georgia Apartments. Great to see work underway at last :)

I drove up Forest Rd tonight and I noticed that there is a huge hole on the site of Georgia Apartments. Great to see work underway at last :)

the hole has been dug nearly 2 years ago.

this will be great but the pictures arnt loading...

Found an advertisement for a new 13-storey residential tower in Woodville St, Hurstville:

SOON TO BE BUILT - HURSTVILLE'S LATEST STATE OF THE ART HIGHRISE. TO BE BUILT IN 2005

http://img.domain.com.au/img/6728/2004715387_1_FS.JPG?mod=041203-155853

It must be the tower approved by council for the site containing a couple of low-rise shops and a block of public toilets, as shown in the block model below.

http://203.55.19.99/portal/ebp/buspapr2003.nsf/399a199e8d373197ca256da9000fce25/b5a587f1a581141aca256df80083d5d0/$FILE/View1.jpg

I haven't been around that part of Hurstville CBD for a while, but last time I was there wasn't any sign of building commencing soon...who knows, will have to go have a look.

I have however noticed that the site has been cleared and piling has commenced on a site on The Avenue for two office buildings of 9 and 5 storeys that will contain approximately 15,000sqm of commercial space, 13,000sqm of which will be office space.

http://www.avenuecommercial.com.au/

http://www.avenuecommercial.com.au/elements/photos/splash.jpg

http://www.avenuecommercial.com.au/elements/photos/location_thumbnails.jpg

Thanks for the scoops Finn. The office complex along The Avenue looks fairly nice for a midriser. Add another 10 floors and you have an excellent scraper. The apartment tower on Woodville St doesn't look too bad either. The different facades give that impression that it is a two tower development.

Not good news for the Super Centre Redevelopment. Hurstville Council is likely to ban residential towers being built above the complex due to safety concerns over the towers being built over the rail line as part of it's LEP. They will either have to come up with a commercial proposal and/or scale back the project.

This is going to be an interesting thing for the state government to work out.

They said recently that they want residential development to occour as part of the SupaCentre redevelopment, - part of making Hurstville into a larger Centre, but they dont want to get involved in another major stuffup- the safety aspects.

It will be interesting to see if the State uses its exectutive veto with this LEP, for that reason.

The hole for the "The Avenue" towers is now as much as three storeys deep in some areas (most areas it's a storey or two. It shouldn't be too long before they start work on the foundations.

This is going to be an interesting thing for the state government to work out.

They said recently that they want residential development to occour as part of the SupaCentre redevelopment, - part of making Hurstville into a larger Centre, but they dont want to get involved in another major stuffup- the safety aspects.

It will be interesting to see if the State uses its exectutive veto with this LEP, for that reason.

Well, they'd be up against RailCorp; They've said that it wouldn't be a good idea to build resi towers there because of dangerous materials travelling on the line there (which is a valid statement).

Great stuff finn :okay:

Bit of a shame about the Super Centre Redevelopment. We'll see what eventuates.

It's not all doom and gloom for the Supercentre towers. A third of the proposed towers can go ahead without any problems because they are being built on Railcorp land located along Forest Rd (Towers, 9, 10 & 11). Tower 2 is proposed for the site of Hurstville RSL which backs onto Ormonde Parade.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/HurstvilleModel2copy.jpg.

I predict only one or two towers will be permitted over the Rail line like St Leonards Forum development.

the amcor site is going be starting constrution in october and the construction period is expected to be done in around 6 years and in 3 phases. from Leader.

bank i work for is part of the group dealing with the supercentre ill ask tomorrow where its at.

It's not all doom and gloom for the Supercentre towers. A third of the proposed towers can go ahead without any problems because they are being built on Railcorp land located along Forest Rd (Towers, 9, 10 & 11). Tower 2 is proposed for the site of Hurstville RSL which backs onto Ormonde Parade.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/HurstvilleModel2copy.jpg.

I predict only one or two towers will be permitted over the Rail line like St Leonards Forum development.

Hey, 4-6 towers is still a good outcome, folks, and would still beef up Hurstville's skyline.

the amcor site is going be starting constrution in october and the construction period is expected to be done in around 6 years and in 3 phases. from Leader.

....and it will feature a CBD style public square too in the middle which I admit I wasn't expecting. An excellent idea. It will be a great meeting point for the residents, workers and shoppers alike. It looks good according to a render which I saw with the report. It's going be as wide as in Martin Place. This is shaping up as an excellent development.

....and it will feature a CBD style public square too in the middle which I admit I wasn't expecting. An excellent idea. It will be a great meeting point for the residents, workers and shoppers alike. It looks good according to a render which I saw with the report. It's going be as wide as in Martin Place. This is shaping up as an excellent development.

Niiice! I've always thought Hurstville needed something like that.

....and it will feature a CBD style public square too in the middle which I admit I wasn't expecting. An excellent idea. It will be a great meeting point for the residents, workers and shoppers alike. It looks good according to a render which I saw with the report. It's going be as wide as in Martin Place. This is shaping up as an excellent development.

While the square looks very cool in the renderings, I am sceptical as to the success of such a public space. The site is quite a distance from the main shopping area of Hurstville, the railway station, or any other pedestrian generator, and with a limited amount of commercial space in the project (5,000sqm of retail and 5,000sqm of office), I can't see people going there to shop really. So the only people who will fill this space are the residents of the apartments (there will be about 1000 residents) and the office employees on weekdays.

The space isn't a through site either, so it's not as though there will be people just meandering through on their way to something. Just look at the Kogarah Town Square, which is in the heart of the Kogarah shopping precinct with apartments above and 6,000 employees in the near vicinity at St.George Bank HQ and St.George Hospital - yet it always seems empty! How do they think this Hurstville square will work I wonder?

Anyway, not to be too negative, the complex does look fantastic architecturally, and will be known by the name East Quarter. Should be a cool addition to both the urban environment and the skyline of Hurstville - can't wait till construction starts! :)

Here's another apartment complex that recently began advertising in the local papers, located at 11-13 Treacy Street:

The Belvedere Apartments

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/9971/101949971al1097807885.jpg

Not a skyscraper at 7 storeys, but an addition to the Hurstville urban environment in an area that was previously mostly industrial/automotive businesses etc.

Here's another apartment complex that recently began advertising in the local papers, located at 11-13 Treacy Street:

The Belvedere Apartments

Not a skyscraper at 7 storeys, but an addition to the Hurstville urban environment in an area that was previously mostly industrial/automotive businesses etc.

Is that in the site where the repair shop burnt down last year?
Havent been down the northside of hurstville for quite a while

No, the place that burnt down is on the other side of the road - this site has an auto-electrical workshop. :)

its got "world tower" corners

thanks finn, ill update hurstvilles ss.com.
the 13storey looks great.

not looking good at all for any tower over the train line, council and pictorially city rail, putting in too many complaints, i think you will just see it fixed up and make the centre run a profit. and in short term air conditioning turn on again!

the original plans for the area was kinda Chatswood meets St Leonard’s, americans are optimistic.
but you never know...

A D/A for an eight storey office tower for 9 Park Street has been submitted to council. Just falls short of being classified as a scraper :(

^ how high is it? roof. plantroom?

^ how high is it? roof. plantroom?

They didn't list it. Cyberlab design are the applicants.

Check out the hole for The Avenue. You could be mistaken for believing that Hurstville is getting a 30 storey tower.

http://img189.echo.cx/img189/6940/p5152218small7tv.jpg

^ so how tall will be THE AVENUE?

^ so how tall will be THE AVENUE?

Just eight storeys tall. It will be taller than Westfield which is about 5/6 storeys tall. The views from the upper floors should be spectular.

Yeah, it isn't a tall tower, but as the depth and size of the excavation indicates, it will be one of Hurstville's largest office buildings by floor area, with approximately 13,000 square metres of office space! :)

This is only a little bit smaller than the suburb's largest office block which is the 13,500 square metre Australian Tax Office Building.

thanks. so 8x 4m = 32m high? pretty bulky.

this is the biggest development we had for years now in hurstville, i think, i havnt really seem much construction going on much for the past year.

who is the builder for THE AVENUE anyone know ?

Hurstvill skyline from St martins Tower (syd uni in foregrd)
http://img177.echo.cx/img177/7782/hirsvillemay5za.jpg

Did anyone read the leader recently? It had an article saying how the SupaCentre redevelopment has more or less been canned, and all they are gonna do is just refurbish the centre - dissapointing if true.

It's pointing that way unfortuantely :(

but as I said they can still build a couple of them as they won't be built over the railline. The towers that can go ahead without a problem are towers 2, 9, 10 & 11.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/HurstvilleModel2copy.jpg

they should learn the full potiental of having a new railway line + lots of new office towers! ><. beings life and moderness like chatswood and parra!

they should learn the full potiental of having a new railway line + lots of new office towers! ><. beings life and moderness like chatswood and parra!

There is an emphasis on commercial development as part of the masterplan for the Hurstville CBD. I just hope it becomes a reality.

With one tower going up (The Avenue) and a few others in the pipeline ie Church of Christ & Civic Centre, things look good.

Stage one of the AMCOR development comprising of a 12 storey tower and a six storey tower with 168 apartments will begin in October according to Tuesday's edition of "The Leader". There will be some changes to the D/A mainly relating to the composition of apartments and there will be an increase in commercial space as they want to include a commercial gymnasium in addition to a gym to be provided for the residents.

It was also mentioned that when completed the development will contain 629 apartments!!!!!

YAY!! Finally something happening in Hurstville!!

629 apartments? That's the density we are after! Good job.

Although I'm for highrise developments, there is going to be way too much traffic in the area. The roads are not coping well as it is.

Wow, how cool is this! Hurstville City Council have negotiated the construction of a new 12,000sqm office and medical centre building on the site of one of their car parks! No building details yet as DA has not yet been lodged, but will be a very cool development, adding to several other new constructions in the suburb such as the 9-storey 12,000sqm office building u/c on The Avenue and the proposed new 5-storey 5,000sqm Masonic Headquarters office building on the corner of Bridge St and Forest Rd!

Hurstville Mayor Announces $100m Hurstville Medical Office Building and Same Day Surgery Centre
1 Jul 2005

Hurstville Mayor, Councillor Joanne Morris, today announced an agreement with Cortez Enterprises Pty Ltd, to develop a major medical office building and same day surgery centre on a site located at the corner of Queens Road and Dora Street, Hurstville.

This development will create a major medical infrastructure for the benefit of medical practitioners and the Hurstville community. Once completed, the building will accommodate approximately 12,000sqm of office and medical retail space together with basement parking for approximately 410 vehicles including 150 public parking spaces provided and operated by Hurstville City Council. The development will provide long-term employment for more than 350 people from within and the surrounding area of Hurstville.

“The Hurstville community will have a ‘one-stop-shop' to a wide variety of medical specialist services and public parking within the same complex,” said Hurstville Mayor, Councillor Joanne Morris. “The Medical Office Building is a major step in Hurstville council's commitment to increasing local employment and facilities and represents a significant move forward for the commercial future of the Hurstville area.”

A spokesperson for Cortez Enterprises Pty Ltd, said “We are very pleased with the cooperation of the Council for this proposed development.”

The spokesperson indicated that “The building once completed would accommodate in excess of 120 Doctors, Dentists and other Medical Personnel, including a full range of services such as radiology and nuclear medicine, a full service pathology laboratory, a wide range of therapies including physiotherapy, pharmacy, durable medical equipment and a comprehensive same day surgery centre consisting of 6 operating theatres and endoscopy suites.”

The spokesman went on to say, “ Cortez Enterprises Pty Ltd will be offering medical suites for sale, fully built out, on a strata title basis, with up to 100% finance for medical practitioners.”

Hurstville Mayor, Councillor Joanne Morris, said, “From a community's point of view this new facility will provide a wide range of medical and dental services all available under one roof. This will be a great facility for the city and should act as a magnet for other complimentary services and facilities to locate in Hurstville. This proposal shows that Hurstville is a great place to do business, our city centre is ideally located for this type of proposed development - we have excellent access to transport services like the M5 and the Illawarra Line and we are close to the airport and port. Such a significant commercial investment in our city strengthens our role as the major commercial centre for southern Sydney. ”

Please note that this is a commercial agreement only as the company is yet to lodge its development application for the site. This agreement will in no way prejudice the consideration of the planning outcome.

http://www.hurstville.nsw.gov.au/PageZone_NewsEvents.asp?z=1&c=228&p=476&x=2&id=14591

There was an article in Tuesday's leader + a small render. The building had a retro look to it and sleek!!!. A spokesperson for the company said that Hurstville is in "the same position as Chatswood was 20 years ago". I can agree with that statement. Things are changing very quickly around the suburb & given the major developments proposed at present, Hurstville is set to make major progress in the years. I can say that Hurstville is about to boom.

The same article on Tuesday, also mentioned that current developments within the Hurstville CBD (five developments according to the Leader) will create 1350 jobs, a big boost to the workforce within the Hurstviile.

& the good stuff doesn't end there too.Tenders are being called for the Gloucester St Carpark which will also be slated for commercial development. At the moment, they can build a seven storey building on the site.

The Coles Supermarket for Mulga St in Oatley West will go ahead after the developers won a Land & Environment Court Appeal. Hurstville Council and locals aren't happy even though the D/A has been scaled back with a smaller supermarket (which the developers state will be boutique style like the David Jones Food Hall) and the units will be townhouses, and fewer of them. Hurstville Council will appeal against the approval.

There was a small render in The Leader yesterday. It looked nice but I still don't see the point of a coles supermarket in Oatley West. the Oatley Town Centre is more suited to a development like this. I can say too that the supermarket will also take people away from the Oatley town centre, which won't be good for businesses operating there.

Fabian, i think it was Finn who said that there was originally a DA for a supermarket in Oatley proper, but was overwhelmingly rejected by the council.

Fabian, i think it was Finn who said that there was originally a DA for a supermarket in Oatley proper, but was overwhelmingly rejected by the council.

Your right It's a year since Finn made mention of a rejected D/A for Woolworths in the Oatley Centre (30/8/2004). Kogarah Council, not Hurstville Council would of handled the D/A as the Oatley town Centre falls with the kogarah Council area and they are even more conservative than Hurstville Council.

In all truth, I think they should have let them build the Woolworths that was proposed in the main Oatley shopping centre when they proposed it ages ago, cause the IGA supermarket in oatley sucks! Although it has tried very hard to be better I think by introducing a tiny little deli counter and fresh fruit and veg

Update on this previously mentioned project:

http://www.justlisted.com.au/images/110/x1554scnew_apartments.jpg

The advertisement now says that it will be called Lucky Towers! Can anyone else notice the influence of Hurstville's thriving Chinese population/Chinese investor market in the naming of apartment buildings? Other examples include Empress Towers and The Orchid.

The advertisement also states that the complex is soon to be built and that they are in final negotiations with council. As the project is already approved I presume they are referring to the construction certificate.

Also, a DA approved site for sale on the corner of Woodville and Park for a 7-storey residential and commercial building - I noticed site works when I drove by about a week ago:

http://www.justlisted.com.au/images/72/x5768scpark_rd_site.jpg

Two other new, but much smaller apartment projects in Hurstville:

The Alexandra

http://www.justlisted.com.au/images/68/x5308scprospective.jpg

The Bourge

http://www.justlisted.com.au/images/165/x2858scartist_impression-_woniora.jpg

Together with the Amcor site development, the large office complex on the Avenue, a smaller office complex (5-storeys) proposed on Forest Rd (large advertisement board on site now), and the recently announced $100million medical and day-surgery hospital project to be built on a council carpark, there's lots of stuff happening in Hurstville! :)

Lucky Towers. LOL
Sounds so tacky!

Thanks for the update finn.

A render of the proposed Supermarket & Townhouses in Oatley West

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9639/oatley6id.jpg

A render of the proposed Supermarket & Townhouses in Oatley West


Thanks so much for posting that Fabian! Now that I've moved to Surry Hills I don't get to see the local St.George paper very often, so it's great that you've scanned it in!

I've often wondered what the much-protested development actually looks like! I like - it's a a nice low-scale complex and the fact that it has no surface car parking is a major plus (not that the site is big enough for surface parking anyway). I'm quite interested to see how this progresses! :)

Here's my scan of a render of the new "MEDICA CENTRE" the council published in its newsletter:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/285/medical9di.jpg

Here's what the adjoining article says:

Hurstville City Council has entered into an agreement with Cortez Enterprises Pty Ltd to build a major medical centre which will be located at the corner of Queens Road and Dora Street, Hurstville.

The Medical Centre will include a comprehensive same day surgery centre consisting of 6 operating theatres and endoscopy suites together with accomodation for over 120 doctors, dentists and otehr medical personnel. "This brings the number of new jobs to be created in Hurstville to 1,300 in just over a year," said Hurstville Mayor, Clr Joanne Morris.
The Centre will also include services such as radiology, nuclear medicine, a pathology labratory, physiotherapy and pharmacy.

The development will provide parking for approximately 410 vehicles including 150 public parking spaces which will be provided and operated by the council. This is an increase of 50% on the public parking currently available at this site.

"The Medical Centre building is another step in Hurstville Council's commitment to increasing local employment and faciliies," said Clr Morris. "Hurstville will have a 'one-stop-shop' to a wide variety of medical specialist services and public parking within the same complex. This will be a great facility for the city and will act as a magnet for other complimentary services and facilities to locate in Hurstville."

Clr Morris stressed that, "Council's agreement with the company relates only to commercial aspects of the land.
The Company is yet to lodge its development application for the site. This will be given due consideration within the context of Council's planning requirements.

Winston, :)

Work is about to begin on the AMCOR redevelopment. I noticed a display centre being set on site within the existing buildings along Forest Rd/Durham St. Multiplex will be marketing the project and i assume they will construct the towers.

Thanks so much for posting that Fabian! Now that I've moved to Surry Hills I don't get to see the local St.George paper very often, so it's great that you've scanned it in!



I don't get it either anymore. The shire edition of the same paper doesn't bother posting anything with developments north of the Georges River :(

Plus, I go through Hurstville daily now, so at least I have some awareness of what is going on.

The other big project (i forgot its name, the one on the avenue) is currently a HUGE hole (skyscarper size). The edges have been paved with concrete and the basement floors are starting to rise.

The other big project (i forgot its name, the one on the avenue) is currently a HUGE hole (skyscarper size). The edges have been paved with concrete and the basement floors are starting to rise.

Thats "The Avenue" ;)

The Avenue: Here's a picture of the site when the hole was at it's deepest:

June 2005

http://www.avenuecommercial.com.au/timeline/timeline_JUNE05.jpg

And now, where the basement levels have been rising:

August 2005

http://www.avenuecommercial.com.au/timeline/timeline_AUGUST05.jpg

Here's the website for the AMCOR redevelopment >>>www.eastquarter.com.au

The SMH Domain section had a two page feature report on the East Quarter yesterday along with an ad for the project. It has been compared to Leichhardts forum development.

And work on Stage One (encompassing the western part of the site) will begin next year with 180 apartments in two towers!!!!:)

Fabian, you know anything about the construction of the apartments near king georges road adn hurstville private hosptiol? There's been a massive hole dug but no constrcution for at least a year now.

Fabian, you know anything about the construction of the apartments near king georges road adn hurstville private hosptiol? There's been a massive hole dug but no constrcution for at least a year now.

I've heard nothing on Georgia apartments at all, not even ad's in the papers.

This proposal is on the cleared site of the old service station on the corner of Forest Rd next to the Hill St nightspot and East Quarter development. I saw a model the council planning officers made for it a couple of years ago when they were deciding building forms and it looks good!

Premises: 105 Forest Road Hurstville
Development Application No: 450/2005
Proposed Development: Mixed Retail/Commercial/ Residential development; 7-13 storeys high consisting of 83 residential apartments and Basement Parking
Applicant: McFadyen Architects / Kash Taouk

all real estate shops now have a "east quarter" poster, advertising it i guess.

here's a pic of the add

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7532/scan100021jy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Yes, it's been in the SMH on Saturdays and the Domain liftout in The Leader.

Also this weekend, I will have to deliver more than 800 "expression of interest" pamphlets for the project to homes and units in Ramsgate and Sans Souci . I will be getting paid for it. :D This will be repeated across the St George region. The reason I'm doing it, is that I deliver catalogues for various retailers, and we have been told to deliver these with our other catalogues.

This proposal is on the cleared site of the old service station on the corner of Forest Rd next to the Hill St nightspot and East Quarter development. I saw a model the council planning officers made for it a couple of years ago when they were deciding building forms and it looks good!

Premises: 105 Forest Road Hurstville
Development Application No: 450/2005
Proposed Development: Mixed Retail/Commercial/ Residential development; 7-13 storeys high consisting of 83 residential apartments and Basement Parking
Applicant: McFadyen Architects / Kash Taouk

Here is a photo of the basic block-model model for this new proposal (sorry for blurriness) - it is the grey, stepped building on the corner, next to the models for the East Quarter buildings - according to the above proposal the new proposal will range in height from 7 storeys on the podium, up to 13 storeys on the corner tower.

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/6526/forest028gl.jpg

^^ Ah, ok. Starting to understand the orientation.

Wow, the plan for the East Quarter precinct is fab-u-lous. What a developing satellite city is definitely entitled to.

I jazzed-up the above render a tad, as best I could:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/509/379eastquarter1.jpg

Looking good. I followed the links mentioned but couldn't find the picture online.

I can't wait for more commercial buildings to go up. I guess we could call Hurstville and Chatswood the transit cities to complement the harbour and river cities.

Looking good. I followed the links mentioned but couldn't find the picture online.

I can't wait for more commercial buildings to go up. I guess we could call Hurstville and Chatswood the transit cities to complement the harbour and river cities.

Hurstville is nothing compared to Chatswood. :( Hurstville lacks major businesses. The masterplan I hope will give an incentive to bring major firms to the area.

It's good that they are aiming for commerical development within it's CBD. Over time, it should ensure the development of Hurstville as a regional centre for southern Sydney.

the av has it's basement levels completed and hopefully we will see it rise out of the ground soon.

The core of The av is now 1 or 2 floors above ground level.

Two matters to comment that have occured this week.

1. Demolition has begun on the site of the new Coles Supermarket and townhouses. I drove through Oatley West tonight and saw it tonight. It stretches down the hill towards the station along Mulga Road. The site is huge!!!!!. Meanwhile The Leader reported that locals tried to block demolition on Monday and a number were detained by police and Hurstville Council is planning on making an appeal to stop the development.

2. Hurstville Council's Queen St Carpark is for sale and is likely to fetch $10 million for the site. It's zoned mixed use and is located right next to Phoneix Gardens and Hurstville City Library.

A crane went up this week on the site of The Avenue :)

A crane went up this week on the site of The Avenue :)

it's one of the tallest structures in hurstville now =P

the crane just got completed. construction is slowing down heaps now

This weekend just passed was the grand launch of East Quarter, with the first stage of the development due to begin construction in early 2006. Apparently there was a bit of a carnival atmosphere planned for the project launch but I didn't get down there, so not sure how it went.

The East Quarter (http://www.eastquarter.com.au/) website has been majorly updated with lots of nice graphics such as this aerial masterplan overview:

http://www.eastquarter.com.au/masterplan.jpg

The first stage will include 168 apartments in two buildings: an eight storey building called Aqua:
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4331/aqua9sy.jpg
and a twelve storey building called Vantage:
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/4660/vantage6vn.jpg
(see masterplan above for locations of buildings on site).

The entire development, when fully completed, will comprise 629 apartments and 10,000sqm of retail/commercial space, which includes another eight storey building, three more 12 storey buildings and a 17 storey building. :)

Good news about the Hurstville Supercentre!!!!:)

Coles is going to open a supermarket in the complex, occupying the area formerly occupied by Franklins (which closed 10 years ago) and is occupied by a furniture store. I hope the Coles brings trade back into the centre.

However, still no word on an upgrade of the entire complex. I walk around there each day through the largely empty unoccupied sections. It's a horrid and lifeless area :(

Good news about the Hurstville Supercentre!!!!:)

Coles is going to open a supermarket in the complex, occupying the area formerly occupied by Franklins (which closed 10 years ago) and is occupied by a furniture store. I hope the Coles brings trade back into the centre.

However, still no word on an upgrade of the entire complex. I walk around there each day through the largely empty unoccupied sections. It's a horrid and lifeless area :(

very lifeless..... most of the people there are commuters using cityrail :sleepy:

Update on the Av : up to 4th or 5th floor now.

very lifeless..... most of the people there are commuters using cityrail :sleepy:

And yes I'm one of them. It's terrible sight walking through the dead centre each day to take my train.

Has to be the worst shopping centre in Sydney :(

Good news though :). The Shire edition of the leader had the same report about last Thursdays St George edition article on Tuesday and it reported that there will be a $15 million upgrade of the complex including a direct link to the Forest Rd side, as envisioned in the Hurstville CBD masterplan

Here are some shots of the complex, where at least half the shops are vacant.

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8972/p31773985bu.jpg

The Coles Supermarket will be in this area
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/3611/p31773978ot.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/255/p31774005tl.jpg

I have a feeling this has concrete cancer. Concrete is coming off it

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3544/p31773994zb.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9046/p31774050iu.jpg

No one even bothers thinking about renting space along Ormonde Pde.
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1702/p31774030hw.jpg

Update on the Av : up to 4th or 5th floor now.

Yes, it's up to level 4 with another three levels to go. It's now reached the same level as the rooftop carpark of Westfield. Should be a bit imposing on the skyline when done.

Took this yesterday
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9295/p31773629dl.jpg

And here's a shot of the site where the Medica Centre will be built (Queens Rd)

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/285/medical9di.jpg

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/926/p31773260qz.jpg

i really do hope these new projects rejuvinate the hurstville town centre, because atm its hurst"vile"

thanks for pix fabian.

And yesterday I saw painters painting the boarded up shops with bright colours such as Orange and Purple. Wont do much though.

And here are some shots of the Avenue taken from the Westfield Carpark, where it was just below the roof level. I dont think it had gone up since March 17 when I took the street level shot.

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/4553/p32675925yx.jpg

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/1281/p32676189yi.jpg

Check out the crane!!!

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4442/p32676092ym.jpg

Great views to City and Beyond

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/395/p32676237yl.jpg

Cronulla - Even ocean views to boot :)

]http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/6180/p32676243qq.jpg

nice pic of the city, fabian... east darling harbour should be a nice addition to the left end of that pic ;)

fabian, did you get shot at taking those pix?
nice btw,
cheers

fabian, did you get shot at taking those pix?
nice btw,
cheers

No. It was a Sunday and noone was around in the carpark. To avoid people getting suspicious, I drive to the shopping centres and park my car where I wish to take them

Good news about the Hurstville Supercentre!!!!:)

Coles is going to open a supermarket in the complex, occupying the area formerly occupied by Franklins (which closed 10 years ago) and is occupied by a furniture store. I hope the Coles brings trade back into the centre.

However, still no word on an upgrade of the entire complex. I walk around there each day through the largely empty unoccupied sections. It's a horrid and lifeless area :(

Absolutely agree with you there. It's an absolute disgrace - especially given the prime location. I mean,seriously it's got a train station within it - that should in itself guarantee trade (in normal circumstances).

Of course the Coles moving in would mean the entire centre would get a refurb, and it will probably get done in tandem with the refit for coles - I couldn't imagine Coles would want to be a tenant of the centre in it's current condition.

Does this mean that the Coles within the Westfield is going to close? Or are Coles simply opening another store?

Also what presence has Woolworth's got in the area?

Does this mean that the Coles within the Westfield is going to close? Or are Coles simply opening another store?

Also what presence has Woolworth's got in the area?

I presume Coles are opening another store in Hurstville. Cannot see the Westfield one closing. Chatswood has two Coles in its shopping centres (Westfield & Chatswood Chase) and I think Hurstville can manage two of them.

Franklins used to have one store in the super centre and one in Westfield until they closed the Super Centre Store, which was bigger. In 2002 the remaining Franklins became a Food for Less, owned by Woolworths.

Woolworths did examine opening a supermarket in the Super Centre some years back though.

hurstville skyline from St Martins tower today!
sydney uni can be seen at bottom of pic and then Newtown.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9666/hurstvillapi53tp.jpg

Hello Everyone. After following these reviews for the past few weeks i have realised the comments and images are rather interesting. The future of Hurstville as a leading SUBURBAN CBD lies in the hands of medium-Large business. Their ability to absorb new commercial space will open the door for larger buildings. Many large land holdings are available, and developers are waiting in line to capitalise on the opportunity. It will be interesting to watch the level of office commitment in the next few years. :runaway:

Update on The Avenue - Just one floor left to build and is now taller than Westfield :)

Also work could start on the Hurstville Super Centre upgrade as early as the start of next year.

The Avenue has topped out!!!!!:)

also the medical centre at queens road got the green light today!

not really Hurstville , Slade rd, Bexley
nice 5 storey
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/6948/103266948ml1150781797.jpg

I've seen signage appear in the Super Centre promoting its redevelopment promoting leasing opportunities in the redeveloped complex. It will also be renamed Hurstville Central. No renders have appeared yet.

Update on the av

- building has topped out (a while back) and painting on concrete has started
- a second building facing tracy st has risen to 3rd or 4th floor

some info might not be accuracte, i tried to get as much as i could while i was driving past

The building on Slade Road, Bexley is completed.

I found these renderings (small unfortunately) of the Medical Centre approved for the council carpark site on the corner of Dora & Queen Streets:

http://www.nordonjago.com/_media/images/projects/pr14/01.jpg

http://www.nordonjago.com/_media/images/projects/pr14/02.jpg

^^
OMG it looks much better than the previous design!!!

Here is the previous render of The Medical Centre:

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/285/medical9di.jpg

Compare it to the 2 renders of it that finn posted above ie post # 243 (I blew them up a tad):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/HurstvilleMedicalCentreRender1.jpg__http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/HurstvilleMedicalCentreRender2.jpg

...

This design definitely fits in better with the environment around it.

^^A definate improvement on the previous design^^

Meanwhile four two storey buildings along Railway Parade have been knocked down over the past few weeks only suggesting something big (hopefully) will appear on site. Most likely to be a midriser of five - six storeys. Cannot say yet if it will be commercial, residential or a mix.

^^A definate improvement on the previous design^^

Meanwhile four two storey buildings along Railway Parade have been knocked down over the past few weeks only suggesting something big (hopefully) will appear on site. Most likely to be a midriser of five - six storeys. Cannot say yet if it will be commercial, residential or a mix.

Do you mean the cleared site at the top of Hillcrest Avenue? That site previously had a two storey office building and a three storey office building (on corner off Butler St). I think an eight storey residential building is approved for the site with commercial/retail on the ground floor (and maybe commercial on the first floor as well?) - I remember seeing the development notice posted in the Leader a looooong time ago.

Also of interest, council is exhibiting a draft amendment to the Hurstville Town Centre DCP that would allow development up to 16 storeys and an FSR of 8.4:1 on the Illawarra Catholic Club site on Woodville St. This would be great as the site is near Park Plaza (current tallest in Hurstville at 20 storeys) and would give it a tall neighbour. See link below for council notice:

http://www.hurstville.nsw.gov.au/PageZone_AboutCouncil.asp?z=2&c=240&p=594&x=2&id=15657

:)

That is the site. The apartments there should have excellent views as it's right at the top of the hill. No problems selling them.

It's pretty consistent with the height of other buildings in the area. No way Kogarah Council would want it taller. :(

Good news on the SuperCentre redevelopment. :okay:

The Leader today mentioned that work will begin in April on the refurbishment which includes a 2700 sq/m Coles Supermarket, grocer (most likely current Grocer Duffy Bros) along with 25 shops. An additional entrance will be built on the Forest Rd side at 243-245 Forest Rd to link with the proposed bus interchange.

Existing retailers will vacate their stores next month.

It will also be renamed Hurstville Central.