hi

anyone know what is the easiest way to find out the existing GFA of a project?

I guess can ask MSCT. Will they tell if not staying there?

Look at old Master Plans?

hi

anyone know what is the easiest way to find out the existing GFA of a project?

I guess can ask MSCT. Will they tell if not staying there?

Look at old Master Plans?

Can we check with URA ? They shd hv the written permission which will state GFA. AND not sure about the costs, if possible.

You will not get GFA from the Master Plan. You can apply for a legal search with URA and there is a fee involved. Mind you, they might not have all the records and if they can't find what you want, fees is still applicable.

You will not get GFA from the Master Plan. You can apply for a legal search with URA and there is a fee involved. Mind you, they might not have all the records and if they can't find what you want, fees is still applicable.

Ben & Kit, Thanks.

As what BEN123 said, Written Permission would have GFA stated. URA allows checking of Written Permission online or at URA HQ.

According to URA website, cost abt $30+ per search.

I was going through a stack of WPs in the office earlier in the day. Just thought that you might want to know that earlier WPs do not indicate GFA.

I was going through a stack of WPs in the office earlier in the day. Just thought that you might want to know that earlier WPs do not indicate GFA.

Earlier WP as the ones in 80s?

Then how??? Estimate from old Master Plans??

I know can get from URA with permission from MSCT's consent.

Earlier WP as the ones in 80s?

Then how??? Estimate from old Master Plans??

I know can get from URA with permission from MSCT's consent.

As recent as 2000.

Like I said, you won't be able to find GFA info from the master plan. You are however, able to make an estimate on the max GFA allowed with the max plot ratio and site area.

You might want to do a walk in consultation at URA but I doubt they would help if you are not authorised by the land owner.

As recent as 2000.

Like I said, you won't be able to find GFA info from the master plan. You are however, able to make an estimate on the max GFA allowed with the max plot ratio and site area.

You might want to do a walk in consultation at URA but I doubt they would help if you are not authorised by the land owner.

Do you know if before 1985, the standard GPR is 1.0 for outer region? or did URA ever increase en masse all devt from 1.0 to 1.4 or 1.6 for outer region?

As recent as 2000.

Like I said, you won't be able to find GFA info from the master plan. You are however, able to make an estimate on the max GFA allowed with the max plot ratio and site area.

You might want to do a walk in consultation at URA but I doubt they would help if you are not authorised by the land owner.

Maybe the other way is to check the land titles with SLA ? It shd state the plot ratio assuming developers wld hv maxed the allowable then.

Maybe the other way is to check the land titles with SLA ? It shd state the plot ratio assuming developers wld hv maxed the allowable then.

land title only gives land area. Dont think got Plot Ratio or GFA. Getting GFA harder than I thot.

land title only gives land area. Dont think got Plot Ratio or GFA. Getting GFA harder than I thot.

then guess u got to est the GFA based on the premissible GPR for the master plan at the time of development...:nuts:

then guess u got to est the GFA based on the premissible GPR for the master plan at the time of development...:nuts:

But sometimes some developments got GPR that is different from Master Plan, special exemption or what.

But sometimes some developments got GPR that is different from Master Plan, special exemption or what.

i dun think its common for such things to happen unless there are very special grounds for deviation....btw, thot there is some document called state lease or something like that, which states the GPR and tenure.

Do you know if before 1985, the standard GPR is 1.0 for outer region? or did URA ever increase en masse all devt from 1.0 to 1.4 or 1.6 for outer region?

The master plan was last revised in 2003. "Outer region" is a little too broad to render any help in finding out the plot ratio. I recommend you to make a trip down to URA. Master plan is there and you can do a walk in consultation to clear your doubts instead of speculating here.

then guess u got to est the GFA based on the premissible GPR for the master plan at the time of development...:nuts:

With the maximum allowable plot ratio and site area, you are able to work out an estimate maximum allowable GFA for a particular site. Mind you, standard set back requirements, drainage / road reserve lines,etc have to be observed when calculating the max allowable GFA.

The master plan was last revised in 2003. "Outer region" is a little too broad to render any help in finding out the plot ratio. I recommend you to make a trip down to URA. Master plan is there and you can do a walk in consultation to clear your doubts instead of speculating here.

can do consultation with URA people? Must pay how much?

With the maximum allowable plot ratio and site area, you are able to work out an estimate maximum allowable GFA for a particular site. Mind you, standard set back requirements, drainage / road reserve lines,etc have to be observed when calculating the max allowable GFA.

Is it possible that GFA cannot be maximise because of setback, drainage, road reserve, height level?

can do consultation with URA people? Must pay how much?

Yes, a duty planner is always there for walk-in consultations. Its free.

Is it possible that GFA cannot be maximise because of setback, drainage, road reserve, height level?

Yes, its possible. When there is this conflict between planning datas, setback distances will always be priority over everything else.

Forgot to mention that height control is imposed in some areas too. This will also affect the building envelope.

can do consultation with URA people? Must pay how much?

There are 3 items related to GFA here, so it's important to distingish between them.

Baseline GPR= Can check URA website.

Existing GFA = Require consultation with URA but need owner consent.

Masterplan 2003 = Can check URA website.

There are 3 items related to GFA here, so it's important to distingish between them.

Baseline GPR= Can check URA website.

Existing GFA = Require consultation with URA but need owner consent.

Masterplan 2003 = Can check URA website.
baseline gpr not same as mp2003 gpr?

baseline gpr only good for calc of dc and dp?

baseline gpr not same as mp2003 gpr?

baseline gpr only good for calc of dc and dp?


Baseline based on 1980 masterplan, world's apart from MP2003.
Is used to calulate the DC payable. But come 1 Mar 2008, will no longer be applicable.

Baseline based on 1980 masterplan, world's apart from MP2003.
Is used to calulate the DC payable. But come 1 Mar 2008, will no longer be applicable.

If earlier GPR is lower than MP2003 or future MP2008, redevelopment means projects can build up to latest GPR. Owner lugi?

If earlier GPR is lower than MP2003 or future MP2008, redevelopment means projects can build up to latest GPR. Owner lugi?


Owner sell get high enbloc price lor.

Put it this way.. is like own a piece of land with oil 1 KM down. If dun have enough $$ to dig a well, then just cash out and move on. Let's not forget.. to design to higher MP2003 GPR, there is also the DC charge to consider.

Owner sell get high enbloc price lor.

Put it this way.. is like own a piece of land with oil 1 KM down. If dun have enough $$ to dig a well, then just cash out and move on. Let's not forget.. to design to higher MP2003 GPR, there is also the DC charge to consider.

Opps...Wanted to ask what if the earlier GPR is higher than MP2003 GPR, can only redev up to latest GPR?

I think Pearl Bank Apts is one of these situation.

Opps...Wanted to ask what if the earlier GPR is higher than MP2003 GPR, can only redev up to latest GPR?

I think Pearl Bank Apts is one of these situation.

It's MP2003 or existing development, whichever is higher. If URA penalises the development by enforcing the lower GPR, then.. there is no incentive to undergo urban renewal.

But typically.. other controls such as site coverage, height, setbacks, and the stringent FSB/ HS code... whether can maximise the GFA is a totally different topic. Let's not forget... GFA is also not equal to nett sellable area.

thanks