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Jarenz

November 12th, 2008, 01:59 PM

....fingers crossed!

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Time to revisit Ciudad?
By Doris C. Bongcac
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 13:08:00 11/12/2008

CEBU CITY, Philippines - While the cat is away...

Capitol officials are exploring how to revive discussions with Cebu City government officials to unfreeze a permit for the stalled province-owned Ciudad project in Banilad.

With Cebu City Mayor Tomas Osmeña out of the country to seek medical treatment, Provincial Board Member Victor Maambong said he was confident other city officials “could decide on their own.”

“Times have changed and maybe they can already decide on their own,” he said.

The P1.2-billion project to develop a Spanish-themed mixed-use commercial and residential complex was left in limbo last year when the conflict between province and city officials worsened over a failed land swap negotiation for Cebu City lots owned by the province.

Vice Mayor Michael Rama's comment “dawat ug limpyo” in one council discussion triggered bitter exchanges although he later said his statement was misunderstood.

A moratorium was declared for any urban development in the Gov. Cuenco Avenue due to traffic congestion.

Maambong said he would sponsor a resolution for Monday's PB session to “appeal” for the issuance of a locational clearance for the Cuidad project.

If his appeal is denied, Maambong said he would challenge city officials to debate where they could publicly discuss the grounds of their opposition to the project.

A locational clearance is a prerequisite for a development clearance and later on a building permit.

“I will be asking for the reconsideration of the city government of their holding back the Cuidad project. Under the leadership of acting Mayor Mike Rama maybe they (city officials) are more inclined to discuss the pros and cons of the project,” he told Cebu Daily News.

He said he discussed the matter of Governor Gwendolyn Garcia over lunch on November 10 and was told “to first discuss the matter thoroughly” with other board members.

Cebu Daily News was unable to reach Rama for comment for this story. He was in Bangkok, Thailand on official business to attend a forum on better air quality from November 12-14. He will then proceed to Dubai to attend an urban waterfront regional conference until November 18. Calls to his mobile phone could not get through.

The Cebu City Council passed a resolution on February 14, 2008 calling for a moratorium on any development projects along the Banilad-Talamban corridor where congested traffic is a recurring problem. They asked for a traffic impact study on Governor Cuenco Avenue. With this, the City Planning and Development Office (CPDO) put on hold Fifth Avenue's application for a locational clearance.

Maambong said he already discussed his proposal with Board Members Juan Bolo, Agnes Magpale, Peter John Calderon and Wilfredo Caminero last Monday over lunch at the Carmen Copper Corp. staff club house. The provincial board was holding an out-of-town session then, which the Toledo City government and Carmen Copper hosted.

“We discussed it preliminarily. I asked their opinion. But we need to discuss this even more,” he said.

He said Bolo and Calderon support his proposal.

Maambong said the Cuidad project would benefit the city in terms of taxes and create jobs.

“It is not valid for them to sit on the permit application for a long time and cite traffic problems along the Banilad-Talamban area as reason,” he said.

He said that while elected officials may be “whimsical” at times, “there is a time for things to settle down”. He said now is the right time to revisit the issue.

Maambong said that his challenge was also be a good exercise of city officials performing executive functions, which Mayor Osmeña boasted about during his State of the City Address on Saturday.

“Now is the chance for them to prove to the Cebuanos that they have a different style of government,” the Capitol official said.:cheers:

Henz

November 13th, 2008, 03:25 AM

tomas and gwen are both good leaders! naa sila kaugalingon na mga style. we hope na they make up for the good of the cebuanos.
93-1 issue should be tackled, the lot is not ideal for squatters area lang. instead i agree na bawion na sa cebu government and let investors developed it for the betterment of more people and the cebu economy.
in the first place most of it are either commercialized na sad, through boarding hauses, stores, videoke etc.,

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

November 13th, 2008, 05:20 AM

yeah its high time they revisit ciudad cause mayor tom is out for indefinite leave, diba he told his council its time for them to act executive and legislative functions? so go vice mike...:cheers:

and yes, there could be some politicking here between gov. gwen and mayor tom over ciudad because mayor tom doesn't like the province to gain revenues from its properties in the city knowing that properties in the city are prime so the province can earn from it and generate higher incomes which the mayor obviously don't like. I can see tomas in the picture that he doesn't like the province to reacquire their properties because its as if the province is taking advantage of the city's attractiveness thereby just taking it when the right time comes. Its like the province is fortunate they have properties in the city and not just in the provinces were lands tend to be less attractive to investors... so I guess I can understand why mayor tom doesn't like ciudad, but who knows, now that he's not here, probably, the council and the PB can bring the matter to the round table for discussion... :cheers:

diehardbisdak

November 13th, 2008, 07:10 AM

^^ pero bai, sa news gahapon...gi-remind diay ii Tomas ang VM og ang mga Councilors nga dili gyud niya ipa-lift ang order sa "no new development within Ban-Tal area" ...

Henz

November 13th, 2008, 07:23 AM

I still high hopes for this project.. Everytime i passed by on the location and with the sprouting developments on the Asiatown, and with Ciudad.. i could only say "WOW"..
Just imagine how many more jobs would be available? How many more companies to be added in Cebu's booming province?

LordCarnal

November 13th, 2008, 09:09 AM

diehardbisdak

November 13th, 2008, 10:08 AM

^^ gusto na gyud ko mag fast forward to 2010...hehehe....si Mayor Rama na!...heheh....sus, akong nakit-an ni Tomas, puros ra gyud hatred and revenge...mao siguro ng ni-resulta niya karon...heheh!

Ex!lE

November 13th, 2008, 01:25 PM

^ bai, remember nga ang comment ra ba ni VM Rama ang hinungdan sa away ni Tomas ug Gwen. hehehe..

diehardbisdak

November 13th, 2008, 02:19 PM

^^ yes, i know bai...pero, dili man hostile si Rama compared ni Tomas...

Jimbu

November 13th, 2008, 02:43 PM

^^

Yeah indeed and Tomas is blocking it simply because of the spat with the governor. He should even be thankful to the governor because the governor is very, very proactive in bringing investors in and helping Cebu to boom much, much more.

I don't think Ciudad was blocked because of heavy traffic in Banilad.

.:.

They should have allowed Ciudad to start the construction, because by the time the construction of Ciudad is finished; Banilad flyover is already done and usable. Also, they should instead find means to fund the road widening just like what they did during MCDP era and not impose a moratorium on development projects. In Metro Manila I don't think they block projects just because it can cause traffic. If they have 16 lanes there, why can't we ask for a 6 lane-Gov. Cuenco. In Edsa, from Buendia Ext. to reclamation area they even demolish huge buildings just to widen the road. In Cebu, a two-lane one way Escario Ext. not even 1 km and without huge buildings until now is not widened. :)

federalist

November 13th, 2008, 06:43 PM

diehardbisdak

November 13th, 2008, 06:51 PM

^^ IMO...this project won't be realized until Tomas is out of city hall...pero bilib ko sa mga investors, up to now, pursigido pa gihapon sila for this project to be implemented...

Ex!lE

November 14th, 2008, 01:50 AM

^ maybe the Gov. is one of the investor? hehehe.. speculation lang. hehehe..

Henz

November 14th, 2008, 05:40 AM

the site is very ideal.. knowing at the back is a BPO IT Center and the rest of the Gov. Cuenco stretch highly commercialozed, even me, i am very interested to put up a commercial center if i have just the capital..

di ba SM will also put up a Hypermart here?

diehardbisdak

November 15th, 2008, 08:59 AM

...i think kani nga project, ang lot ra gyud ang gi-invest sa part sa Cebu Prov'l. Govt.

...pero, daghan sila'g kwarta because of CPVDC (CHI)...dako ang share sa Cebu Prov'l. Govt. sa Asiatown IT Park og sa Cebu Business Park...

^ maybe the Gov. is one of the investor? hehehe.. speculation lang. hehehe..

diehardbisdak

November 15th, 2008, 09:02 AM

YES...unta that same lot...SM participated the bidding....pero mas nindot ang offer ang mga investors anang Ciudad than what SM had offered before and that was the reason why SM was turned down by the Cebu Prov'l. Govt. ...pero, maayo na lang nga wala madawat ang offer sa SM...napalpak unta sab sila anang moratorium ni Tomas sa Ban-Tal area...hehehe...

..di ba SM will also put up a Hypermart here?

Jarenz

November 15th, 2008, 04:15 PM

based sa istorya sa tag-iya nako before... The owner said

They won't surrender the fight... and the project will pursue how long it will take to be approved!

NaglatagawK0

November 15th, 2008, 08:48 PM

Hi I'm new here but i have been visiting this site for almost a year now.

I just want to share my sentiments with regards to Ciudad project that was block by our good mayor Osmena. I think he made the right move in blocking this project. I don't know how you guys perceive it but for me Mayor Tom may have a lot of enemies but he does not block a particular project just because he have a problem with Gwen Garcia. His reasons are valid enough to merit the blocking of the Ciudad project. I know a lot of you guys like Gwen more than Tommy but to tell you the truth i see this Ciudad project a problem for the City itself. First it add to the already busy street on that area. The only problem of Gwen is selling these so called Provincial lots but what we have overlook is that this project would cause a night mare on the part of the city. Cebu City will be bare the burden of taken care of the monstrous traffic that this project would create once fully operational add to the fact that the city would not gain anything as the cebu province is exempted in giving taxes to the city in its provincial lots. I have been working in Asia Town IT Park for almost 3 years now and the traffic is worsening how much more if we would add another mall in that area. Another mall and another facility besie Asia Town IT Park would be beneficial to the employees in IT Park but looking on the other side it would create problems not just for the city but also for the locators in IT park itself.

Don't get me wrong on this i love to see a booming cebu economy. Seeing those skyscrapers sprouting like mushrooms brings joy to me. But lets not be blinded by progress by sacrificing convenience. I dont want to see my beloved cebu becoming another manila. Due to lack of foresight by its local officials it is becoming like the bangalore of india. Tommy is right is blocking new projects in the northern part that is now becoming more and more congested and focus on putting progress on the southern part of cebu city which the SRP is located.

If i'm to chose between a leader with a vision and a business woman i would chose the one with a vision as he has more potential to make a better cebu than the one who is more focus on selling its lots without looking to the welfare of its people.

SleMarKen

November 15th, 2008, 10:53 PM

^^yup, he's right... Tommy blocks the rise of a development such as ciudad so that Cebuanos in that area wouldn't sacrifice for their convenience that ciudad will cause when it will be built but if he wants total convenience, the local government should also do something urgent to solve these problems of development like the widening of roads in that area, it is not right to block those kinds (ciudad) of developments all the time just to give Cebuanos the right of convenience...

Cebuanos have also the right to be given developments of infras such as road widenings.. so blocking developments like ciudad for convenience is only half valid for this situation, the other half is the right for Cebuanos to be given convenience of wide road networks, for a total convenience... :)

hans boy

November 15th, 2008, 11:45 PM

^^

I second the motion bai!

I like CIUDAD but I don't want it to be there. True, this project is great! But it will really and surely create headaches to motorists and to the Cebu City government through CITOM in resolving traffic situations in the area once this mall is up and running. I passed by the area last Friday and it seems that the new banilad flyover did not help much in resolving the traffic situation in BanTal. Traffic is still heavy in BanTal during peak hours. I analyzed the traffic situation in BanTal and I figured out that the bad location of Gaisano Country Mall, UC, BTC and residential villages which are close to an intersection and to a bridge, contributed a lot to the heavy traffic situation in BanTal during peak hours. Vehicles going in and out of the malls, schools and villages trying to cut through the traffic just to get to the other side of the lane is really a pain in the neck to look at. CIUDAD is close to the TESDA flyover and intersection. Plus its proximity to Crossroads and AITP. I really can't imagine the traffic that it will create and add up in the traffic situation in BanTal. Yes mga bai we have solutions, suggestions and blah blah blah. Then let those suggestions, solutions and blah blah blah be done first before erecting CIUDAD in the area.

I believe that Tomas is right in holding and sitting developments in BanTal.
I believe that Tomas have done this to get even with Gwen.
So what? The right thing that Tomas did remain. Holding and sitting developments in BanTal is good for Cebu City and BanTal residence.

ivanc

November 16th, 2008, 06:40 AM

dba asiatown is partly owned by the province??? why dont they "rotate" ciudad?? so that its entrance will be at it park??? they can use the intersection between globe plaza and i1 or between i1 and i3... nya no access to and from banilad.... so wala gihapon effect sa traffic...

diehardbisdak

November 16th, 2008, 06:49 AM

...

...okay lang bai, that's your opinion...in general, maayo man gyud si Tomas pero kani nga situation, lahi ra kaayo sa mga desisyon ni Tomas...that's why the media were calling the Councilors as "stamp pad" particularly ani nga case...

...regarding sa dili maka-gain ang city government, you mean sa real estate tax lang...pero sa yearly income sa Ciudad, i assumed dako ang makuha sa city gov't from the income tax...

kindofperfect82888

November 16th, 2008, 08:33 AM

hi everyone.. i frequently visit this site for updates about cebu..
and i agree with @naglatagawKO, no offense meant to others.. as much as leadership is concerned, the osmenas are really the "leaders" of cebu.. with due respect to the garcias, the osmenas are responsible for what is cebu now.. for example, lito osmena was the one behind the cbp, the catalyst of cebu's growth.. now, tommy.. they are visionaries.. they are not afraid to choose the unpopular choice.. and based on what i know, gwen boasts of cebu being the richest province well in fact lito was the one who made cebu what it is now.. im not preaching whos the best in this and that, im for the development of metrocebu but this project is really not needed now.. imagine this, cebu is like this guy becoming big.. because of uncontrolled growth his clothes doesnt fit him anymore.. just like cebu, there is no denying that we are indeed fluorishing and growing, but also because of this uncontrolled growth, our infrastractures couldnt keep up.. and this has been and will be addressed by tommy.. the province will not have problems with traffic because their responsibility is in the province.. not in the city.. go cebu, continue moving forward! adelante.. :D

NaglatagawK0

November 16th, 2008, 05:47 PM

@kindofperfect82888

sakto jud ka bai. The progress and the wealth that cebu province have right now are the result of what have lito osmena put inplace when he was the governor of cebu. Gwen have yet to prove that she can make something out of nothing. Her suroy suroy sa sugbo haven't generated much compared to the amount of money the cebu province have invested on this project.

@slemarken

Yes your right the city government should widen the roads and put up better infrastructure to support the progress that we have enjoyed right now but its not that simple. The city government needs funding and better planning. Cebu City may have the money to put up this kind of project despite the debt that we have right now because of SRP but its limited. You can't pour on all those fundings just for road widening and putting up of infrastructure alone. It also needs to be allocated to other important needs like education, health and many more. Lets just be patient Rome was not built in one day. All those great cities in the world have endured this kind of problems before becoming what they are right now. With good leaders with a vision like Osmena cebu city have a bright future ahead.

NaglatagawK0

November 16th, 2008, 06:00 PM

...okay lang bai, that's your opinion...in general, maayo man gyud si Tomas pero kani nga situation, lahi ra kaayo sa mga desisyon ni Tomas...that's why the media were calling the Councilors as "stamp pad" particularly ani nga case...

...regarding sa dili maka-gain ang city government, you mean sa real estate tax lang...pero sa yearly income sa Ciudad, i assumed dako ang makuha sa city gov't from the income tax...

sakto ka bai the city government would gain much for the income tax with Ciudad but it would also inherit a headache created by having this kind of project in that area. Ciudad is a good project but in a wrong place. You can't sacrifice convenience with progress bai. Progress and convenience should come hand in hand to attract more investors in the city. One advantage why a lot of investors like cebu is because it doesn't have the traffic problems that manila have plus the white sand beaches that we have. We can't sacrifice our advantage to other cities like manila just to accomodate this project. This Ciudad project can do more harm to the city than what it can gain from it. Put the ciudad project in an ideal place like the SRP where the infrastructure have already put in place. I believe that once the city would start gaining from its SRP project then the long overdue road widening and infrastructure needed in metro cebu would soon be realize. Lets just be patient and continue to support our leaders.

Jimbu

November 16th, 2008, 08:54 PM

sakto ka bai the city government would gain much for the income tax with Ciudad but it would also inherit a headache created by having this kind of project in that area. Ciudad is a good project but in a wrong place. You can't sacrifice convenience with progress bai. Progress and convenience should come hand in hand to attract more investors in the city. One advantage why a lot of investors like cebu is because it doesn't have the traffic problems that manila have plus the white sand beaches that we have. We can't sacrifice our advantage to other cities like manila just to accomodate this project. This Ciudad project can do more harm to the city than what it can gain from it. Put the ciudad project in an ideal place like the SRP where the infrastructure have already put in place. I believe that once the city would start gaining from its SRP project then the long overdue road widening and infrastructure needed in metro cebu would soon be realize. Lets just be patient and continue to support our leaders.

What if Gwen changes mind and agrees the land swap deal as originally proposed. Would you support Tomas if he allows Ciudad's construction?

NaglatagawK0

November 17th, 2008, 12:25 AM

What if Gwen changes mind and agrees the land swap deal as originally proposed. Would you support Tomas if he allows Ciudad's construction?

Honestly i don't like the Ciudad project primarily because its in the wrong place to put up with. It would just make the traffic situation in that area even worst than what it is right now. I do believe that if Tomas would allow this project to continue then its not just because of the land swap deal to push throught but he have seen a solution to the worsening traffic problems in that area. I have faith in what the good mayor is doing and i support his every move for the betterment of the city. Tomas has the track record to show while Gwen have yet to prove something aside from selling provincial lands.

so_1

November 17th, 2008, 02:14 AM

^^ i think bai this is a practice of bad politics. traffic problem i guess is not the primarily reason why this project is on hold. it's the 93-1 lot swap deal is the main reason.building ciudad is not an overnight job.it takes years so perhaps then if we widened the road or find the solution to the traffic right now then it would coincide when the project will be over.

imagine how many jobs it would create and taxes it would get.other cities are dying to get investors but cebu city just simply ignores them.if that's the case then those lands will remain idle for the rest of our lives coz were afraid of the traffic problems in that area.if indeed traffic is the prob, why did they allow Hongkong Plaza, Grand Cenia project. if you notice traffic there is even worst and the road there is one lane only.where is the logic there?

if Lito is still the gov woudn't mayor tom allow this?
tom is a great mayor but in this situation he's taking it personally with gov gwen as you can hear in there interviews.it's a word war between the two.
for example, he planned to close south bus terminal. why just now? it's been there since.

if they would allow these projects and at the same time planned for the traffic prob then it would be great.it's a winwin situation.it's not one who gets the credit for a booming cebu but it's teamwork and that is all cebuanos would like to achieve.:cheers:

Jimbu

November 17th, 2008, 04:20 AM

Honestly i don't like the Ciudad project primarily because its in the wrong place to put up with. It would just make the traffic situation in that area even worst than what it is right now. I do believe that if Tomas would allow this project to continue then its not just because of the land swap deal to push throught but he have seen a solution to the worsening traffic problems in that area. I have faith in what the good mayor is doing and i support his every move for the betterment of the city. Tomas has the track record to show while Gwen have yet to prove something aside from selling provincial lands.

I have been a supporter of Mayor Tom. No election ever that he was running that our votes did not go to him. I agree his handling of SRP. I agree him defending SRP ownership against Gullas. But I can't agree Talisayons being removed from their stalls in Carbon just because of Gullas. The same thing, that I cant' agree with what he is doing with the moratorium in Banilad/Talamban area just because he did not get what he wanted with Capitol. It's not about traffic. :)

kindofperfect82888

November 17th, 2008, 05:37 AM

I have been a supporter of Mayor Tom. No election ever that he was running that our votes did not go to him. I agree his handling of SRP. I agree him defending SRP ownership against Gullas. But I can't agree Talisayons being removed from their stalls in Carbon just because of Gullas. The same thing, that I cant' agree with what he is doing with the moratorium in Banilad/Talamban area just because he did not get what he wanted with Capitol. It's not about traffic. :)

i agree with you bay, i think mayor tom is holding it as ransom for the province owned lots.. tomas said previously that he would be fiercely watching the capitol on handling the lots.. at least thats what ive heard from city hall people..

Sleepwalker

November 17th, 2008, 08:04 AM

Hahay...Sakit lang ni sa dughan ang pagka-hold ani nga project...Pero, maayo gani pursigido pa kaayo ang mga investor...Or basin in the future, kung di gud madayon ang Ciudad, basin mas nindot pa hinoon ang matukod dinhi... :)

dive-cebu

November 17th, 2008, 08:15 AM

when tomas ran for mayor after alvin garcia's administration (im not sure of the year), i was kinda hoping that his promise of bringing back cebu to the top 5 or 10 (whatever) Asian cities, would really come true... but i was just really hoping... nasobrahan ra jud sa kahambog ni si tomas... IMO

kindofperfect82888

November 17th, 2008, 08:36 AM

:bowtie:when tomas ran for mayor after alvin garcia's administration (im not sure of the year), i was kinda hoping that his promise of bringing back cebu to the top 5 or 10 (whatever) Asian cities, would really come true... but i was just really hoping... nasobrahan ra jud sa kahambog ni si tomas... IMO

bay.. correct me if im wrong, pero di ba naa ta sa top 10 asian cities of the future?.. mayta madayon ang brt og maghimo na og nindot nga drainage system ang city ug kong pwede pakapinan.. waste management technology pud.. pero bilib ko sa atoang governor.. gwapa jud, mayong iatbang ni vilma..hehehehe peace....
:bowtie:

Henz

November 17th, 2008, 10:54 AM

i beg to disagree with you guys..
but i believe... tomas is really bitter..
if he is not.. why did he blocked even the sales of the TESDA Lot? and also the PNP Headquarters in Guadalupe?

Theres is no project that is not needed now... it is always the job of the local government to address the problem... not the investing public...
he had been mayor for so many years.. so why it is only now that he found the road too narrow?

Henz

November 17th, 2008, 11:12 AM

but.. i would reiterate that Tomas is a good leader like what i said in my previous messages.. however, i find his blocking of the Ciudad project.. distasteful and uncalled for. we missed thousands of jobs to be created, just because of his pride.

He could have been magnanimous if he let the project pushed through and ask the provincial government in helping widen the roads there.

federalist

November 17th, 2008, 11:15 AM

Henz

November 17th, 2008, 11:24 AM

dugay na kaayo na nga plano bai. the problem is, kuwang paman ang budget.

i thought lakas ta ni Gloria.... dapat he should flex his muscle.

federalist

November 17th, 2008, 11:59 AM

kahibaw na ka sa atong National Government. wa gyud kaayo nay natabang nga mga major project diri sa ato. kung naa man gani tay agi tungod ra sa mga paningkamot sa atong mga local leaders.

si Gloria? wa nay utang kabobot-on sa Cebu. angay nang di na e welcome sa Cebu.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

November 17th, 2008, 12:05 PM

^^

mao gyud... IMO, its like in cebu, whenever there is something wrong, its the mayor's/governor's fault. In manila, whenever there is something wrong, its the president's fault! :lol::lol::lol:

terio

November 17th, 2008, 12:07 PM

tomas is a good leader that we cebuanos can be proud of. his pride over the issue makes him the villain in the story. hope this life threatening experience he faces right now will make him realize all his faults, that life is too short to be wasted on a mere pride. hope he will see the benefit of this project to cebu and to the city in particular.

diehardbisdak

November 17th, 2008, 02:30 PM

^^ deadly sins: anger and pride

so_1

November 17th, 2008, 03:08 PM

diehardbisdak

November 17th, 2008, 04:14 PM

^^ bitaw bai...pero, di ba there was a study nga hi-rise condo for the poor is not effective daw....

NaglatagawK0

November 17th, 2008, 04:37 PM

we just hope that sir paul might read all this comments and forward this to mayor tom.It's not yet too late.How can we be come called the city of the future if you can see squatters around it.No offense to 93-1 but if proper planning like building highrise for this professional squatters it will not be an eyesore.If you are a foreigner can't you imagine in front of world class hotels,IT Park and business centers sorounded by squatters.Hello?

im against squatters too but 93-1 is a piece of land provided by the government for those who can't afford to buy one. Can we call them squatters? lets put ourselves on these peoples shoe before we make our judgment. The government are supposed to be for the people and not for the wealthy few alone. Swerte ta kay hayahay ta gamay but how about the poor? Great cities is not measured by the number of high rise buildings alone but on how the government takes care of its own people.

Jarenz

November 17th, 2008, 08:23 PM

Jimbu

November 17th, 2008, 09:30 PM

Henz

November 18th, 2008, 03:29 AM

im against squatters too but 93-1 is a piece of land provided by the government for those who can't afford to buy one. Can we call them squatters? lets put ourselves on these peoples shoe before we make our judgment. The government are supposed to be for the people and not for the wealthy few alone. Swerte ta kay hayahay ta gamay but how about the poor? Great cities is not measured by the number of high rise buildings alone but on how the government takes care of its own people.

93-1 is not provided for those who cant afford, it was actually sold to them.. but what have they done.. only a few cares to pay.
You are correct, the government should take care of the people ( what kind of people ba you are referring to?) is it the occupants of the 93-1 lot, who anyway, makes use of the property not for only for residential purposes but for commercial na?

the point here is not high rise or an iconic or amazing edifice for that matter, the crux of the matter here is, Foreign and Local Investments which could bring more jobs, and jobs to bring food to the table of more and more families, rich or poor alike, and not just to these occupants who had anyway made residing in the government owned lot as livelihood.

My point is, if they are not paying the lots anyway and made the lots commercial for themselves then it is the duty of the owners to reclaim the land put into development through local and foreign investment, bring more jobs and put food to more and more families..

Thats what we call Macro Economics.

so_1

November 18th, 2008, 05:42 AM

your right bai, sad to say these squatters are not poorest of the poor.most of them are not the original settlers they just bought the rights and still they haven't paid there dues to the province.these are professional squatters who are making business that is not supposed to.

one thing, the issue here regarding ciudad is not the squatters.they are just used to hostage the project.permit naman lang kinahanglan to start.

who will benefit if ciudad will push through, but cebuanos ourselves and the city and the province as well and even those squatters.the only loser out here is one's pride..

ivanc

November 18th, 2008, 09:42 AM

bai, medyo no-earth man ko aning 93-1.. asa man gyud na siya tungod diay? thanks...

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

November 18th, 2008, 11:10 AM

bai, medyo no-earth man ko aning 93-1.. asa man gyud na siya tungod diay? thanks...

bai 93-1 is part of the 19.29 million sq.m. Banilad Friar Lands Estate (from Mahiga Creek at the Cebu Country Mall, all the way down to the old boundary of the Mabolo shoreline prior to the North Reclamation Area, then further down to P. del Rosario street hitting the Guadalupe River)...IMO, lot 93-1 lies along Archbishop Reyes Ave....:cheers:

NaglatagawK0

November 18th, 2008, 08:22 PM

you mean the city government should take care of its own people, and not the provincial government, right? . the lots with 93-1 were not provided to them for free. those who have not paid until now because they cannot afford should leave the place because the provincial government also has it's own poor people to serve. the city government must find for them a place to reside and where they can be productive.

bai the city government and the provincial government is part of the republic of the Philippines dba? so no matter asa nabutang ang yuta ug kinsa ang tag iya sa yuta both are bound to take care of its people which is the citizen of this republic not unless dili na part ang cebu province sa pilipinas. Yes your right it was not provided to them for free and a lot of them is to be blame of kay wala sila mamayad but there are also people na naka bayad na in full or in partial. I think the city government have seen this problem thats why they proposed the land swap deal but it never materialize because of the vice mayors statement. For me kung sincere and usa ka local government to help the people then dili issue and statement sa usa ka local official para mag suffer ang kadaghanan.

Jimbu

November 19th, 2008, 04:24 AM

bai the city government and the provincial government is part of the republic of the Philippines dba? so no matter asa nabutang ang yuta ug kinsa ang tag iya sa yuta both are bound to take care of its people which is the citizen of this republic not unless dili na part ang cebu province sa pilipinas. Yes your right it was not provided to them for free and a lot of them is to be blame of kay wala sila mamayad but there are also people na naka bayad na in full or in partial. I think the city government have seen this problem thats why they proposed the land swap deal but it never materialize because of the vice mayors statement. For me kung sincere and usa ka local government to help the people then dili issue and statement sa usa ka local official para mag suffer ang kadaghanan.

Right, the city government and the provincial government are part of the republic of the Philippines. But each local government unit (LGU) collect their own local taxes or income sources. Receive their own IRA share from the national government. So whatever the LGU earns this is what is available for them to spend for their operational expenses. That's the reason why Gov. Garcia wants to recover the lots so the provincial government could increase it's equity for future expenditures. In short, it is not fair for provincial tax payers to spend their taxes to Cebu City because they also need support from their provincial governmnent. The same as it won't be fair for Cebu City tax payers if Mayor Tom will be building roads in Liloan because Cebu City residents also need new roads.

NaglatagawK0

November 19th, 2008, 07:18 PM

Right, the city government and the provincial government are part of the republic of the Philippines. But each local government unit (LGU) collect their own local taxes or income sources. Receive their own IRA share from the national government. So whatever the LGU earns this is what is available for them to spend for their operational expenses. That's the reason why Gov. Garcia wants to recover the lots so the provincial government could increase it's equity for future expenditures. In short, it is not fair for provincial tax payers to spend their taxes to Cebu City because they also need support from their provincial governmnent. The same as it won't be fair for Cebu City tax payers if Mayor Tom will be building roads in Liloan because Cebu City residents also need new roads.

sepulvida is that you? hehehe just joking bai. What im trying to say is even if they are a separate local govenrment unit there duty is not bound to their constituents only but to the republic as a whole. Thats the essence of public service it does not limit itself to its own constituents. If capitol knows what is genuine public service is all about. Anyway if capitol has the right to uphold its rights to protect its own interest the city government has also the right to uphold its own interest for the betterment of the city and from the looks of it this project will do more harm to the city that what it can gained.

Jimbu

November 19th, 2008, 10:18 PM

sepulvida is that you? hehehe just joking bai. What im trying to say is even if they are a separate local govenrment unit there duty is not bound to their constituents only but to the republic as a whole. Thats the essence of public service it does not limit itself to its own constituents. If capitol knows what is genuine public service is all about. Anyway if capitol has the right to uphold its rights to protect its own interest the city government has also the right to uphold its own interest for the betterment of the city and from the looks of it this project will do more harm to the city that what it can gained.

I don't think Ciudad project will do harm to the city. And I also don't think a
moratorium on new development projects along Gov. Cuenco Ave. in Banilad is good for the city.
If traffic is the reason for moratorium, why not include Colon area or Jones Ave.
Heavy traffic na ba gud ni bai, naa man gani nag bike sa flyover: :)
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NaglatagawK0

November 25th, 2008, 12:37 AM

I don't think Ciudad project will do harm to the city. And I also don't think a
moratorium on new development projects along Gov. Cuenco Ave. in Banilad is good for the city.
If traffic is the reason for moratorium, why not include Colon area or Jones Ave.
Heavy traffic na ba gud ni bai, naa man gani nag bike sa flyover: :)
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I dont think the experts would agree on you on this. I've been working on this area and the traffic situation is bad putting ciudad would make it worst. Jones avenue have bigger roads compared to the banilad area while colon you can put a moratorium on a business district like that besides putting a moratorium on colon would stop the establishments on that area from improving their respective buildings. As for now a well calculated and well plan business area is what the city needs not another project located in an already traffic congested area. Btw the photos were done during off peak hours that explains why dili traffic. Common i wasnt born yesterday.

Henz

November 25th, 2008, 04:59 AM

i dont think so.. i am a regular traveler in this part and it doesnt seem really bad ang traffic.. especially with the fly over finished.
Ato lang butangan ug another access road along the IT Park mas ma improve pa sya.
The traffic in this area is actually manageable even with Ciudad. And besides, the city government should start expanding the streets into a six lane road now so that it can actually accommodate more investment in this area. Progress is unstoppable.
Only that LGU's should start thinking out of the box and not play politics.
Its a good thing Tomas is having his indefinite leave. I wish he will never be back...

Jimbu

November 25th, 2008, 04:33 PM

I dont think the experts would agree on you on this. I've been working on this area and the traffic situation is bad putting ciudad would make it worst. Jones avenue have bigger roads compared to the banilad area while colon you can put a moratorium on a business district like that besides putting a moratorium on colon would stop the establishments on that area from improving their respective buildings. As for now a well calculated and well plan business area is what the city needs not another project located in an already traffic congested area. Btw the photos were done during off peak hours that explains why dili traffic. Common i wasnt born yesterday.

Experts? It depends on whose experts. I was not also born yesterday. I used to pass this road and see from both sides that it's not yet over-developed to justify a moratorium. Not even like Jones Ave. Heavy traffic? Yes most of the time, because it's a four-lane road without pocket lanes for Jeepney stops or no Bus System implemented. That's why it's congested. For Cebu to upgrade its status to a world class city, this area should not remain as is, without improvement. For this area to improve then road infrastructure support to investors should also be improved. If not for the land swap deal fiasco, Ciudad traffic could have been a good justification to widen the road. Heavy traffic means road improvement or more roads. No heavy traffic means no road improvement which is a reality in the country. So no road improvement means no progress in infrastructure. Anyway, we have been discussing Ciudad here in this forum since it was proposed, so I know that traffic is not the reason for imposing a moratorium. If after the flyover is done heavy traffic pa rin, then I think they should widen the road. No money? They have done it with Bacalso highway, MCDP, SCR, etc. They are afraid of Ciudad when it's not even 1/4th of CBP. Kita mo naman sa area at rendering. I repeat, for Cebu to upgrade its status to a world class city Ban-Tal area should not remain what it is now. Why moratorium for development? You can see from the photos how it looks. Is that what you call over-developed to justify a moratorium? I am also an Osmeña suppoter except for the moratorium. And I can tell you that I may have given him more votes than you have. :) For Gwen, i don't vote for the province but have physically verified that she have made road improvements in some towns that no previous Cebu Gov. has ever done before.

so_1

November 26th, 2008, 03:29 AM

^^ well said. if they imposed moratorium in banilad area coz of traffic and overdevelopment daw, then why not imposed moratorium in fuente area or gen maxilom ave. or in all major business area? Do you think its obvious? Other cities are dying to get investors but for cebu city they just simply ignore it. It could have created thousands of jobs. I won't wonder if they will imposed another moratorium in lahug area where the former BBRC which is again province owned lot coz naa napud plan with CPVDC to develop phase 2 of Asiatown IT Park. Girezoning naman gani nila ang camp lapulapu into residential in fact its a prime commercial area. That area was plan to be like the Fort in Metro Manila. What's next?

Henz

November 26th, 2008, 04:08 AM

correct mga guys..public officials should supposedly not stand in the way of development and progress. city officials lead by the current mayor is being selective on his policies.
lets just hope that everything will change now that Rama is at the helm, lets just hope that he will have his own mind and not play a barking dog to Tommy.

by the way, i vote for the province... am i am impressed with gwen although i am not a total supporter.

NaglatagawK0

November 26th, 2008, 04:34 AM

so_1

November 26th, 2008, 05:23 AM

^^ in that case bai, are you saying that the capitol is on the right track on investing in SRP? I don't think its right to issue moratorium because of traffic. Even wider roads in metro manila still traffic occurs. what is important is the development in the area.If we wait kanus a mawidened ang area siguro mag ka apo nalang ta dili pa na marealize. if we shy away investors because we can't solve traffic then thats an iresponsible government. dapat both private and public entities should work together. what is happening right here wala man gibuhat ang city to solve this traffic mess.maayo unta mo issue sila moratorium at the same time working on infrstructure like roads.how can you justify cebu business park, do you think dako na ang road diha? I'm sorry bai but don't you get the reason for all this mess? personalan naman ni ila. kita mga public luoy...:ohno:

NaglatagawK0

November 26th, 2008, 06:06 AM

SRP is the best area where you could put your investments in but capitol vs FLI i don't think capitol have the track records to go up against FLI not unless they could get a business partner that is at par or more than what FLI have done. As of now pang lawgaw rana ilaha. The city is right is giving the moratorium in that area we cant make the same mistake that manila have done. The city have already suffered from the luck of foresight by our previous public officials thats way pwerte ka gamay atong roads if atong pang pun-an atong problem just to accomodate the businessmen then the city is digging its own grave. If mo padayon ang development sa area bai without widening the road first then mag lisod na unya ug widening sa road kung naa nay budget and city goverment kay naka put up naman ang mga establishment. I support the city government but they should act as soon as possible to improve our roads and infrastructure to compensate with the development that the city have enjoyed. Anyway the city is giving the investors an alternative by asking them to instead put their investments in the south. Cebu Business Park is owned by ayala and not the city government and your right gamay ang road dha thats why kung naay activity dha na area traffic kaayo. I dont like the idea of sacrificing convenience in exchange for development. Development and public convenience should go hand in hand for cebu to be at par with the best of the world. I understand a lot of us are hungry for development thats why we forget what makes cebu a better place than most cities in the country and its not just the beautiful beaches that we have but also the traffic situation here is a lot better and we can go to a lot of places without getting hit by a traffic jam. Yes you are right naay sagol personalan ang tomas but we can't also hide the fact that he is right is giving the moratorium. Kung naka kita lang si tommy ug lusot just to prevent the province from doing this project then he had found a good reason. With the current word ward between gwen and tommy luoy jud and public but mas luoy pod and public kung pataka nalang ug hatag ug building permit and city without the proper planning and foresight.

Henz

November 26th, 2008, 10:55 AM

With regards to the fuente area i think the city already made its first move by banning mandaue jeepneys from going to this area and instead have them go through a terminal. It may seem a little bit of burden to the riding public but it would really help ease the traffic congestion in that area. Unfortunately there are some technicalities that the city needs to fight with para ma ban na jud entirely and mandaue jeepneys in that area. Fuente area have the infrastructure for further development and you cannot say the same as where ciudad is located gamay kaayo and dalan dha. For the lahug area i hope naay moratorium to stop the development for the meantime since the road is too small to accomodate further development in that area. Let the city first widen the roads and develop the infrastructure in that area before allowing more developments. It is clear that our roads are too small to accomodate further development then why create another mistake in allowing those developments to continue. The city have also it faults but they cannot make another mistake by allowing those projects without the proper infrastructure to accomodate it. Lets face it the city could not afford to have a road widening in that area as of the moment kay dako pa ug utang because of SRP but once the city could settle this debt then i have high hopes that the development of the cities infrastructure such as roads would commence. The message of the mayor is clear put your investment in the south where the infrastructure is already in place.

ngeek... so meaning.. we not allow investments diha, because the city failed to do its job? thousands of potential jobs which could have been supposedly generated by these investments is wasted because of the city officials naive and myopic mentality? Where is the vaunted visionary leadership of Tommy? Does this means that there is a glaring Failure on the part of the City Officials to plan and effect essential infrastructural developments such as road widening etc?

Shame on you City Officials!!!!!

Adto lang sa SRP? Pede man sad didto, but if i were the investors ari lang sako sa area na sure na naay tawo kay sa lugar na still on the development process pa...

Henz

November 26th, 2008, 11:08 AM

NaglatagawK0

November 27th, 2008, 02:43 AM

C'mon.. lets not justify the actuations.. the moratorium is plain and simple political actions!!! Developments dont come overnight.. so instead of issuing the moratorium, the city could convene and go back to the drawing board. Road widening can always go on even with the construction of Ciudad.. The lack of foresight of the city officials must not be burdened to the Cebuanos..

Lets get real !!!

If you want to get it real bai the reality is wala pay budget ang city for that dili man pod tanan nalang budget sa city para nalang sa road widening. If you are running a city you can't do all the projects you want. You need to have priorities kay wala man mag awas awas ang kwarta sa city hall. As i have said i understand your frustrations kay nahan kaayo ta ug development thats why naa ta diri sa skyscraper city. Lets just be patient in the real world bai you can't have everything you want. Yes naay sagol political ni ilang pag butang ug moratorium but we can't also hide the fact that they are right coz they have valid reasons why they do that.

so_1

November 27th, 2008, 03:59 AM

i'm not against mayor tom or for gwen, i'm for the development of the city. all of this is simple logic bai. If the city issues permits for the projects of the province then the province will not give a damn on SRP ( as what they stated in the press) and FLI will begin its investment smoothly and in return the city will collect money from the sales of SRP to be used for the infrastructures like widening roads, drainage and etc. Don't you get it? If they will set aside there personal grudges everything will be put to place just like the time of Lito Osmeña. This is a classic example of crab mentality on both of our officials. Nobody wants to give credit to each other. Where goin nowhere here but down...:ohno:

Henz

November 27th, 2008, 06:02 AM

If you want to get it real bai the reality is wala pay budget ang city for that dili man pod tanan nalang budget sa city para nalang sa road widening. If you are running a city you can't do all the projects you want. You need to have priorities kay wala man mag awas awas ang kwarta sa city hall. As i have said i understand your frustrations kay nahan kaayo ta ug development thats why naa ta diri sa skyscraper city. Lets just be patient in the real world bai you can't have everything you want. Yes naay sagol political ni ilang pag butang ug moratorium but we can't also hide the fact that they are right coz they have valid reasons why they do that.

whatever you say, its always the lack of foresight of the city officials that matters, and to make things worse, they stopped a worthy project which could have potentially brought thousands of job to the cebuanos.

if its not hypocrisy, i dont know what it is..

NaglatagawK0

November 30th, 2008, 04:01 PM

whatever you say, its always the lack of foresight of the city officials that matters, and to make things worse, they stopped a worthy project which could have potentially brought thousands of job to the cebuanos.

if its not hypocrisy, i dont know what it is..

a worthy project may it seems but it was proposed in the wrong place at the wrong time. Whats important now is that a lot of people should know that this project was stop not just because of the political bickerings of tommy and gwen but it was also done with a reason other than the political reasons that a lot of people wants to entertain. The mayor have a valid reason and whatever a lot of people in here want to say tommy is still right in so many ways. What i like about tommy is that he has the guts to make the unpopular decision and thats what we need of a leader in this country to prosper. The noisy few may not like the decison but the silent majority are applauding this one for it save us from a future headache this project might create. Before i rest my case i would like to impart something to people viewing this forum that not all projects are worth if this would give's you problems in the future. Why should we be afraid of losing one investor when time and time again we cebuanos believe that its not cebu who choose the investor but its the investor who chooses cebu. Lets just be patient cebu will reach its potential in its own pace. Rome was not build in one day lets build cebu with a master plan build not just for the convenience of its investors but also the convenience of its constituents.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

December 1st, 2008, 07:46 AM

Jimbu

December 1st, 2008, 04:17 PM

a worthy project may it seems but it was proposed in the wrong place at the wrong time. Whats important now is that a lot of people should know that this project was stop not just because of the political bickerings of tommy and gwen but it was also done with a reason other than the political reasons that a lot of people wants to entertain. The mayor have a valid reason and whatever a lot of people in here want to say tommy is still right in so many ways. What i like about tommy is that he has the guts to make the unpopular decision and thats what we need of a leader in this country to prosper. The noisy few may not like the decison but the silent majority are applauding this one for it save us from a future headache this project might create. Before i rest my case i would like to impart something to people viewing this forum that not all projects are worth if this would give's you problems in the future. Why should we be afraid of losing one investor when time and time again we cebuanos believe that its not cebu who choose the investor but its the investor who chooses cebu. Lets just be patient cebu will reach its potential in its own pace. Rome was not build in one day lets build cebu with a master plan build not just for the convenience of its investors but also the convenience of its constituents.

Silent majority are applauding? Why, was there a survey of who's in favor of Ciudad or not? So you really want us to believe that "traffic"is the reason for moratorium. Ciudad is not even 1/4 of Asiatown unya basig langawon pa kay duol ra sa Ayala. I would have placed credence for traffic if ciudad developers were told to allot 6 to 8 meters from road side for future road expansion. This, I will understand but moratorium along Gov. Cuenco, no. Before Ciudad, there's Parklane Hotel, Grand Cenia, Hongkong Plaza, Cebu Commercial Tower and these are all higrises plus the Ayala Mall nearby but they dont' mind the traffic in this area, right? Ciudad even would make a good reason for road widening. No budget? Kana diay new-flyover ug road widening karon naa ba gud budget City Hall ana? Ang road widening kaniadto sa V. Rama, Labangon, Rodriguez, Banawa nag budget ba City Hall ato? :)

orion.phiaos

December 1st, 2008, 04:39 PM

honestly, i agree with mayor osmena with this one. it will only cause traffic to the area. rerouting the vehicles to the it park is a wrong idea considering the manners of our drivers. it parks should be traffic free. i love the project, but it was differently in the wrong place.

NaglatagawK0

December 1st, 2008, 10:53 PM

Silent majority are applauding? Why, was there a survey of who's in favor of Ciudad or not? So you really want us to believe that "traffic"is the reason for moratorium. Ciudad is not even 1/4 of Asiatown unya basig langawon pa kay duol ra sa Ayala. I would have placed credence for traffic if ciudad developers were told to allot 6 to 8 meters from road side for future road expansion. This, I will understand but moratorium along Gov. Cuenco, no. Before Ciudad, there's Parklane Hotel, Grand Cenia, Hongkong Plaza, Cebu Commercial Tower and these are all higrises plus the Ayala Mall nearby but they dont' mind the traffic in this area, right? Ciudad even would make a good reason for road widening. No budget? Kana diay new-flyover ug road widening karon naa ba gud budget City Hall ana? Ang road widening kaniadto sa V. Rama, Labangon, Rodriguez, Banawa nag budget ba City Hall ato? :)

now i get you thats why you dont get the point. The budget for the fly over in bantal area is not the budget coming from the city hall but comming from congressman del mar country wide development fund plus the help of the national government. The road widening for V. Rama, Labangon, Rodriguez and Banawa were done before the city started paying for SRP. If you know what budget allocation means then there is nothing to argue about. Running a city does not rest alone in putting the right infrastructure but you also need to allocate budget to other important needs such a education, health and many more. Now the cities cash flow is limited thats why proper allocation of budget is needed infact the city and even the country needs a yearly budget allocation. Not unless the province of cebu or the national government would finance the road widening project on that area i doubt if the road widening project on that area would be done soon considering the limited cash flow of the city. i have been working on this area for a long time now and i have experience the owrsining traffic condition on that area. As IT Park got more dense and more buildings would be put up the traffic condition would become huge problem to the city. Putting another mall in that area is like city hall digging its own grave. You already know the problem and you don't have the budget yet to get the infrastructure done whats the best solution is to put up a moratorium in that area as a quick fix until such time that the city can find a solution to a worsining traffic and potential headache on that area. Cebu City have a lot of spaces left for the investors to put up business with why force a situation that you already know the potential headache it would cost. The mayor and the city officials may be arrogant at times but they are not stupid. As i have said the moratorium does have its political reasons behind it but we cant also deny that the city have its valid reasons. Some may be against the putting up of moratorium but that does not mean the city would abandon what they think is the best for the city. I'm stating this as a citizen and someone who have witness and experience the worsening traffic in that area.

Jimbu

December 2nd, 2008, 05:57 PM

now i get you thats why you dont get the point. The budget for the fly over in bantal area is not the budget coming from the city hall but comming from congressman del mar country wide development fund plus the help of the national government. The road widening for V. Rama, Labangon, Rodriguez and Banawa were done before the city started paying for SRP. If you know what budget allocation means then there is nothing to argue about. Running a city does not rest alone in putting the right infrastructure but you also need to allocate budget to other important needs such a education, health and many more. Now the cities cash flow is limited thats why proper allocation of budget is needed infact the city and even the country needs a yearly budget allocation. Not unless the province of cebu or the national government would finance the road widening project on that area i doubt if the road widening project on that area would be done soon considering the limited cash flow of the city. i have been working on this area for a long time now and i have experience the owrsining traffic condition on that area. As IT Park got more dense and more buildings would be put up the traffic condition would become huge problem to the city. Putting another mall in that area is like city hall digging its own grave. You already know the problem and you don't have the budget yet to get the infrastructure done whats the best solution is to put up a moratorium in that area as a quick fix until such time that the city can find a solution to a worsining traffic and potential headache on that area. Cebu City have a lot of spaces left for the investors to put up business with why force a situation that you already know the potential headache it would cost. The mayor and the city officials may be arrogant at times but they are not stupid. As i have said the moratorium does have its political reasons behind it but we cant also deny that the city have its valid reasons. Some may be against the putting up of moratorium but that does not mean the city would abandon what they think is the best for the city. I'm stating this as a citizen and someone who have witness and experience the worsening traffic in that area.

I know that the flyover budget came from Congressman Del Mar’s Priority Development Assistance Fund which was supposedly for Juan Luna Ave., but due to the opposition of Carmelite sisters the funding was realigned. Makalusot ba gud ni sa SSC. This was a hot topic here in SSC before. :) My point of giving you V. Rama, Labangon, Rodriguez and Banawa roads as an example is: these roads were widened with no budget from City Hall because the funds were sourced from JICA. If traffic is really a major concern in Ban-Tal area, why until now no proposals or plans for road widening were made by City Hall. If they have widened the roads I mentioned 20 years ago why can’t they do it again. This is their job. That’s why I said that Ciudad may cause a good reason to widen the road in order to source funds like what they did with JICA. Not from the sale of SRP lots because I don’t think City Hall will spend a cent for road widening from the sale of SRP lots. Cebu City needs another MCDP type of funding that would widen Ban-Tal road and heavy traffic will justify sourcing of funds. This is a reality in a third world country. They did not propose sourcing of funds for BRT project before because there was no heavy traffic. As for the traffic solution, they know the solution but they just don’t want to do it the hard way like they did 20 years ago. They want the easiest solution and that is to impose a moratorium. For me, Cebu City must not stop its economic growth and development by imposing a moratorium. We have SRP and I admire and support the mayor for this but not at the expense of Ban-Tal area. Di ba mas maayo kung southern ug northern part sa Cebu City mag dungan ang development. :)

NaglatagawK0

December 2nd, 2008, 08:35 PM

I know that the flyover budget came from Congressman Del Mar’s Priority Development Assistance Fund which was supposedly for Juan Luna Ave., but due to the opposition of Carmelite sisters the funding was realigned. Makalusot ba gud ni sa SSC. This was a hot topic here in SSC before. :) My point of giving you V. Rama, Labangon, Rodriguez and Banawa roads as an example is: these roads were widened with no budget from City Hall because the funds were sourced from JICA. If traffic is really a major concern in Ban-Tal area, why until now no proposals or plans for road widening were made by City Hall. If they have widened the roads I mentioned 20 years ago why can’t they do it again. This is their job. That’s why I said that Ciudad may cause a good reason to widen the road in order to source funds like what they did with JICA. Not from the sale of SRP lots because I don’t think City Hall will spend a cent for road widening from the sale of SRP lots. Cebu City needs another MCDP type of funding that would widen Ban-Tal road and heavy traffic will justify sourcing of funds. This is a reality in a third world country. They did not propose sourcing of funds for BRT project before because there was no heavy traffic. As for the traffic solution, they know the solution but they just don’t want to do it the hard way like they did 20 years ago. They want the easiest solution and that is to impose a moratorium. For me, Cebu City must not stop its economic growth and development by imposing a moratorium. We have SRP and I admire and support the mayor for this but not at the expense of Ban-Tal area. Di ba mas maayo kung southern ug northern part sa Cebu City mag dungan ang development. :)

Sourcing for funds would be hard to do specially with the world economic crisis and its not viable as of this time as it would entail the city huge amount of debt. The city is already paying for the huge debt it incured with the SRP it could not afford another debt just to accomodate Ciudad. The basic services of the city government would suffer a lot if they do that. Cebu City is no dubai who could afford to venture in a lot of huge infrastructure projects all at the same time because they have the money to spend. In reality CH still have a huge debt to pay thats why the city does not have the money to spend for this project. There is time for everything dont worry the moratorium will not be there forever anyway patience is a virtue.

Henz

December 3rd, 2008, 07:24 AM

Jimbu

December 3rd, 2008, 05:24 PM

Sourcing for funds would be hard to do specially with the world economic crisis and its not viable as of this time as it would entail the city huge amount of debt. The city is already paying for the huge debt it incured with the SRP it could not afford another debt just to accomodate Ciudad. The basic services of the city government would suffer a lot if they do that. Cebu City is no dubai who could afford to venture in a lot of huge infrastructure projects all at the same time because they have the money to spend. In reality CH still have a huge debt to pay thats why the city does not have the money to spend for this project. There is time for everything dont worry the moratorium will not be there forever anyway patience is a virtue.

Why, did Cebu City pay JICA for the roads widened during MCDP era? If traffic is so serious to justify a moratorium then City Hall should ask for assistance from Congressman Del Mar, RDC,DPWH, Businessmen, other government agencies involved even from the President to include for national funding because it’s a reality in our country to justify heavy traffic for road widening. Bacalso highway was widened to 6 lanes because of heavy traffic. After widening Bacalso, heavy traffic na naman that's why we have South Coastal Road and the Tunnel which is under construction. The North Road (Mandaue to Consolacion) was widened to 4 lanes because of heavy traffic and now we have the North Coastal Road project because of heavy traffic na sab North Road. Heavy traffic is good justification for road widening, but why is City Hall since imposing the moratorium doing nothing? Not even the the city council talking about heavy traffic in their council session as if there’s no moratorium. This is because the reason for moratorium is not “traffic” but the failed land-swap deal, remember the “dawat ug limpyo” comment vice mayor Rama? Cebu City must not stop its economic growth and development by imposing a moratorium, because for me Ban-Tal area is not over developed kay daghan pa squatters. :)

Coffee

December 3rd, 2008, 08:53 PM

You guys should learn how to divide your posts into paragraphs. These walls of text are a pain to read.

Coffee

December 3rd, 2008, 08:57 PM

And my opinion is that scrapping economic development to avoid vehicle traffic is a stupid idea. It's possible to develop both economy and infrastructure.

ivanc

December 4th, 2008, 02:58 AM

a quote from jk rowling's harry potter:
"There again, progress for progress's sake must be discouraged"

And my opinion is that scrapping economic development to avoid vehicle traffic is a stupid idea.

in my opinion sad, :) allowing "economic developments" without seriously considering its effects is suicide. :)

Coffee

December 4th, 2008, 03:51 AM

The place isn't even that congested. If the investor was anyone else aside from the provincial government the city would approve it in a heartbeat.

Henz

December 4th, 2008, 04:33 AM

a quote from jk rowling's harry potter:
"There again, progress for progress's sake must be discouraged"

in my opinion sad, :) allowing "economic developments" without seriously considering its effects is suicide. :)

theres no instance pa na naa nag suicide. look at Metro Manila.. its ill planned with mushrooming developments which resulted in heavy traffic yet, they Find Ways.. unsa man oi.. mag pina BDO slogan gud ta.. We FIND Ways.

ivanc

December 4th, 2008, 05:58 AM

mao bitaw ingon ko na you have to "seriously consider its effects" para dili suicide ....

look at Metro Manila.. its ill planned with mushrooming developments which resulted in heavy traffic yet, they Find Ways..

but in manila, "they" is the national govt... we dont have that in cebu..

i'm not against the development of cuidad ....but with the current infra in that area, i dont think this is the right time..

on a side note:
look at lapulapu.. the city govt allowed gaisano to build a mall on a 2-lane heavy traffic road near mactan doctors hospital... traffic is heavy now how much more when the mall is completed and opened? for me thats suicide...

Henz

December 4th, 2008, 07:31 AM

i dont believe the Archbishop Reyes traffic would be so congested even with Ciudad and even without the expansion. However, the Ciudad project as i said is not an overnight project, it would take years. If the city government is serious in addressing the problem without jeopardizing the development in the area, why can they start to act now?

NaglatagawK0

December 4th, 2008, 08:42 PM

some dont believe and some believe that this would cause traffic im just happy that the city did not allow such project as it would create a head ache for us working in the area once the traffic gets worst. But im also hopping that the city could source our funds for the road widdenings not just for this area but the entire city so it could sustain the economic progress that it is now enjoying. Road widening and infrastruture projects should come first before anything else.

dive-cebu

December 5th, 2008, 02:06 AM

Jimbu

December 5th, 2008, 08:22 AM

Henz

December 6th, 2008, 03:16 AM

i guess.. mas maayo na ila e explore all areas of improving the traffic in the area if both LGU's are really sincere in finding the solutions. at least @ dive cebu and @ jimbu had suggested good ideas to start with...
however, looks like, there is a positive developments which would transpire in the next few months. its exciting to see both LGU's work together for the common good.

NaglatagawK0

December 7th, 2008, 06:29 PM

i have one proposition for Ciudad so cityhall might reconsider this project. What i'd like to cite as an example is the flyover from EDSA going to the Rockwell complex. If only the Provincial Gov't will allocate funds for a flyover going to the Ciudad complex from Archbishop Reyes, I think this is one will greatly help ease out traffic. what you think guys?

i think this is a good idea bai. An infrastructure project funded by the provincial govenrment would greatly help the cash strap city hall. I think with proper planning and funding city hall might consider it.

NaglatagawK0

December 7th, 2008, 06:42 PM

^^Definitely, this will help improve traffic, the same with roundabouts, U-turns,jeepney pocket lanes. But I don’t think the provincial government will agree to spend for a flyover just for Ciudad. Their constituents also need road infrastructures. Better if the developer agrees to spend for it.

The national government will be earning millions of value added, business and income taxes from this project so for me it’s better to source funds from congress thru Cong. Del Mar for the improvement of Ciudad part of the road only (first phase of road improvement), by widening into six lanes, with center island, U-turns or roundabout like a smaller version of Fuente Osmeña (sa senate nga pang insert ra nila P200 million sa national budget) :). They can request for this once traffic at Ciudad coud justify road improvement. The thing I don’t like is that City Hall imposed a moratorium but until now they are not talking about the ways to improve the road. No budget? How could they source funds if there's no feasibility study or proposals? This is their job. Cebu City must not stop the economic growth and development of Ban-Tal area by imposing a moratorium. If they want to develop SRP, then that’s good but not at the expense of Banilad and Talamban, kay daghan pa kayo squatters diha. :)

again be realistic it is easy to say source funds, put up a flyover and have a road widening on those areas but the the truth is it is easier said than done. yes it is the cities job to put up infrastructure projects but it is also their job to see to it that fundings are well distributed not only to the cities infrastructure but also other basic services that needs the cities attention. Widening the streets alone cannot solve the traffic problems this is just one part of the solution. It would need a BRT, an MRT and other infrastructure projects to improve the cities capability to cater its growth. Let us just be patient and trust our city officials. We are only looking at the small picture in here while CH have a bigger picture to look at.

Jimbu

December 7th, 2008, 09:01 PM

again be realistic it is easy to say source funds, put up a flyover and have a road widening on those areas but the the truth is it is easier said than done. yes it is the cities job to put up infrastructure projects but it is also their job to see to it that fundings are well distributed not only to the cities infrastructure but also other basic services that needs the cities attention. Widening the streets alone cannot solve the traffic problems this is just one part of the solution. It would need a BRT, an MRT and other infrastructure projects to improve the cities capability to cater its growth. Let us just be patient and trust our city officials. We are only looking at the small picture in here while CH have a bigger picture to look at.

you mean cebu city will also ask funding from congress for its basic services?

widening the streets alone cannot solve the traffic problems? Really? if that's the case so no way the moratorium can be lifted.
right, the small picture is traffic. the bigger picture is the land swap deal.

NaglatagawK0

December 8th, 2008, 05:42 AM

you mean cebu city will also ask funding from congress for its basic services?

widening the streets alone cannot solve the traffic problems? Really? if that's the case so no way the moratorium can be lifted.
right, the small picture is traffic. the bigger picture is the land swap deal.

am i stating here that cebu city will also ask funding from the congress for its basic services? did i? is it being stupid or just doesn't know how to read right? What i mean is that the cities budget does not entail alone on the infrastructure projects but also the basic services of the city of cebu. yes widening of the streets does not solve the traffic problems that the city is facing. If you try to look at other great cities they do not only have the big roads and fly overs. They also have the a mass transportation system and other infrastructures to sustain the ecomic growth of their respective cities. The bigger picture is you are so pre occupied with the land swap deal and was too blind to see that their is indeed a problem. If the city do not the have funding yet to widen the roads and put up infrastructure projects on that area then better put on hold such project like ciudad rather than making the same mistake that our past leaders have done. Cebu would soon loose its luster if our leaders would continue to allow this projects to rise without addressing first the cities infrastructure.

Jimbu

December 8th, 2008, 09:51 AM

am i stating here that cebu city will also ask funding from the congress for its basic services? did i? is it being stupid or just doesn't know how to read right? What i mean is that the cities budget does not entail alone on the infrastructure projects but also the basic services of the city of cebu.

No. It's just a clarification. I am not stupid bai. Don’t be harsh naman just because I can’t agree with you. I did not say in my previous post (post# 123) that Cebu City will fund for the road widening. I said: the national government will be earning millions of value added, business and income taxes from this project so for me it’s better to source funds from congress thru Cong. Del Mar. (read again post# 123). Now, if Cebu City will not spend for road widening then why are you mixing this up with cebu city “basic services” budget? When i said 'this is their job" I mean it's their job to source funds from congress/other sources and not from city's budget as they have done before.

yes widening of the streets does not solve the traffic problems that the city is facing. If you try to look at other great cities they do not only have the big roads and fly overs. They also have the a mass transportation system and other infrastructures to sustain the ecomic growth of their respective cities.

If you think that widening of Gov. Cuenco (with wide center islands, U-turns and roundabouts like Fuente) "does not solve the traffic problems that the city is facing" then when can we expect the moratorium lifted? After the mass transportation system? Going to my place of work there is no mass transport system. I am driving everyday in a wide road with roundabouts like that at Fuente Osmeña. The vehicle count passing this road is more than double that of Gov. Cuenco, but I don't encounter heavy traffic because of strict traffic enforcement and bus stops only at designated area. While at Gov. Cuenco jeepneys stop wherever they want (no jeepney pocket lanes).

The bigger picture is you are so pre occupied with the land swap deal and was too blind to see that their is indeed a problem. If the city do not the have funding yet to widen the roads and put up infrastructure projects on that area then better put on hold such project like ciudad rather than making the same mistake that our past leaders have done. Cebu would soon loose its luster if our leaders would continue to allow this projects to rise without addressing first the cities infrastructure.

Even Davide thinks the land swap deal with capitol is the bigger picture:

“If it were up to me, my personal position on this is that I want a peaceful resolution on the controversy on 93-1 occupants, for them to have security of tenure and their occupancy of the lots. If we can resolve this issue, then all the other peripheral issue could also be resolved... 93-1 is very important to us,” Davide said.

There is indeed a problem, that's the point of my post# 123. :)
If city hall officials don't want malls in the area, then tell the investors that the city no longer allow malls in that area. What if, instead of Ciudad Mall the investor will build a 40-storey condo 15 meters away from road side. The investor can't also build it because of moratorium, right? It's the moratorium that I can't agree here because they are imposing it but doing nothing about it until now.

Jarenz

June 10th, 2010, 10:07 AM

Cebu provincial gov’t to pursue stalled ‘Ciudad’ development (http://www.bworldonline.com/main/content.php?id=12363)
Business World Online
Posted on 08:58 PM, June 09, 2010

CEBU CITY -- The Cebu provincial government is keen on implementing a commercial development project that has been stalled because of the ongoing conflict between Cebu Governor Gwendolyn F. Garcia and Cebu City Mayor Tomas R. Osmeña.

Rory Jon Sepulveda, Capitol consultant on information and revenue generation, said the governor will meet with investors next month to discuss the proposed Ciudad project.

The Fifth Avenue Property Development Corp., a consortium of Singapore- and Hong Kong-based businessmen with Filipino counterparts, wanted to invest P1.2 billion on the development of a 2.8-hectare provincial government-owned property into a commercial complex with areas for shopping, entertainment, and dining.

Ciudad will also have museum that will showcase Cebu’s cultural heritage.

Fifth Avenue executives held groundbreaking ceremonies for the project in 2006, but Mr. Osmeña blocked the project to retaliate against the governor by refusing to issue a locational clearance for the project and declaring a moratorium on development in the area.

The province-owned property is located in Banilad, which is under the jurisdiction of the city government.

With Mr. Osmeña leaving City Hall on June 30 to serve as congressman representing Cebu City’s south district, Mr. Sepulveda said provincial government officials are hopeful the project will now push through.

“I am an incurable optimist. We have to see the bright side of things.

We are scheduled to meet with the investors in July,” Mr. Sepulveda said in an interview.

Fifth Avenue had proposed to undertake the project under a build-operate-transfer scheme. At least three groups have showed interest in constructing a business hotel to complement the project.

Construction of Ciudad would have started in January 2007. But work has been frozen since the city government refused to issue a permit in February 2007.

After his term as mayor expires on June 30, Mr. Osmeña will take over as congressman of Cebu City’s second district. Banilad will not be under his jurisdiction as this falls under the north district.

The incoming Cebu city mayor is Vice-Mayor Michael Rama, an Osmeña ally but has expressed openness to cooperation with the provincial government. -- Antonio Antogop, Jr.
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:cheers:

slimer

June 10th, 2010, 10:12 AM

ug ni Greg Sanchez pa, tanang isulti anang Sepulveda sayop! I mean I liked this project, but I think di sila ka-basta basta padayon ani kay in the first place, it was Mike who caused the feud between Tomas and Gwendolyn!

Jarenz

June 10th, 2010, 10:14 AM

Provincial gov’t to push Ciudad project

Cebu Daily News
First Posted 06:24:00 05/19/2010
Filed Under: Local authorities

THE provincial government will hold talks with officials of the consortium which proposed to build the long-delayed Ciudad project which was stopped by the Cebu City Hall.

The province will also resume dialog with residents living at the 93-1 lots.

Rory Sepulveda, spokesperson of Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia, said he would call for a meeting with the Fifth Avenue Consortium, the proponent of the Ciudad project which will be constructed in barangay Banilad, Cebu City.

When the new City Hall administration assumes in July, Capitol will also resume talks with the 93-1 residents which Sepulveda said was stopped during the campaign season so it would not be used as an election issue.

Sepulveda said that one of the issues to be discussed with Fifth Avenue is the status of its locational clearance “and what they intend to do without it.”

“Then we will take it from there,” said Sepulveda, a lawyer and Capitol consultant on information and revenue generation.

When asked if they also intend to meet with existing or new City Hall officials, Sepulveda replied: “Nagmeet naman mi ana pero dili lang namo i-telegraph ang among moves especially karon nga inyu ning gisulti. I know 90 percent of me is saying that somebody is going to shoot this down again.”

But when asked for clarification about the meeting during the press conference, Sepulveda added: “Kung muabot lagi na nga panahon (for the meeting), I will not telegraph it because it is not music to the ears of this guy who controls the shots. Malain lang. We do not want to politicize this project as much as one would like it to be done.”

On the other hand, the end of the election period would also signal the resumption of dialogs with the province and that of the city residents who occupy them.

Sepulveda said that lot swapping is the least option.

“We are of still in the position that a solution can still be achieved and take only into consideration the interest of the province as being the owner of the lot and the interest of the residents living in these lots,” said Sepulveda, leaving out the City Hall who has been at odds with the Capitol amid the spat between Garcia and Mayor Tomas Osmeña.

“The lot swapping is one possible solution but we do not limit it there because the land swapping does not solve anything but transfer the problem from one local government unit to another,” he added./REPORTER DALE G. ISRAEL

-sharkleman125-

June 10th, 2010, 11:10 AM

It should have been named as "The Province" something cause
Ciudad is in the boundary of Cebu and since its a project of the Cebu Province hehe :)

Or basin maparehas ni siya sa Balili Controversy...

slimer

June 10th, 2010, 03:09 PM

^^Provincia? :lol:

NaglatagawK0

June 22nd, 2010, 06:55 PM

as of now im against this project kay mo traffic na jud pag ayo dha dapit sa IT park but im in favor of its implementation after we have the BRT inplace. With BRT we can now get away with the heavy traffic that will be generated by this project.

BAKLANGCEBU

December 4th, 2010, 01:46 AM

CebuMagigger

May 12th, 2011, 04:57 AM

were back with ciudad since theres rumor theyr planning to continue this project i hope it pushes through *fingers crossed :dizzy: thanks to sleepwalker :cheers:

Sleepwalker

May 12th, 2011, 05:10 AM

Thanks to this news bai: Ciudad gets brgy clearance (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/2011/05/12/ciudad-gets-brgy-clearance-155004)

Meeting

Cebu City Administrator Jose Marie Poblete and City Legal Office Chief Joseph Bernaldez were at the Capitol yesterday afternoon for a meeting with Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia and Capitol lawyers on various issues, including the Ciudad project.

City Hall and Capitol officials came out smiling from the meeting.

slerz

May 12th, 2011, 05:29 AM

Uy nabanhaw!... Kewl...:cheers:

CebuMagigger

May 12th, 2011, 06:41 AM

THREAD REVIVED :okay: nabanhaw

Henz

May 12th, 2011, 07:02 AM

SineBuano

May 12th, 2011, 07:55 AM

Nagkasinabut na seguro para sa kalambuan sa tanan.

zubuwood

May 12th, 2011, 09:18 AM

Nagkasinabut na seguro para sa kalambuan sa tanan.

^^^^^^ Unity and Hardwork = Prosperity for Ever growing CEBU :cheers: love ko to :banana:

Jarenz

May 13th, 2011, 12:14 AM

resurrected :lol:

slimer

May 13th, 2011, 12:26 AM

pero grabe sad ang investor ani no, wa man gyud mangita'g laing location or maghimo ug laing project after pila ka years nga na-stall ni nga plan.
but still, this is a welcome development!

Jarenz

May 13th, 2011, 12:27 AM

^^ dako baya ang project ug potential pud ang location

Daizuke

May 13th, 2011, 02:43 AM

Can somebody post a google map of where exactly Ciudad is located? :D :D

Tenk yu daan!

BAKLANGCEBU

May 13th, 2011, 02:57 AM

im very happy with mayor rama, imagine tungod kay nakigfriend sya kang gwen mas molambu pa gyud ang cebu. narevive ang ciudad project, naa pa super beautification sa jone avenue, ang fuente osmena ug ang cebu zoo posible sang nga mapanindot kay mura man to ako nabasahan sa usa ka news article ambot sunstarlive man tingali to nga mura ug mag joint ang city ug province to improve these places. then because of mayor rama sab na beautify sab ang plaza indepencia. remeber sa time pa ni tomas miingon man to sya nga ang dapat mo redevelop sa plaza ay ang national government kay sila ang nakaingon sa pagkaguba ani tungond sa pagbuhat sa tunnel. i love mayor rama hayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.ug bagay sab sila ni gwen.

gud2ya

May 13th, 2011, 02:59 AM

im very happy with mayor rama, imagine tungod kay nakigfriend sya kang gwen mas molambu pa gyud ang cebu. narevive ang ciudad project, naa pa super beautification sa jone avenue, ang fuente osmena ug ang cebu zoo posible sang nga mapanindot kay mura man to ako nabasahan sa usa ka news article ambot sunstarlive man tingali to nga mura ug mag joint ang city ug province to improve these places. then because of mayor rama sab na beautify sab ang plaza indepencia. remeber sa time pa ni tomas miingon man to sya nga ang dapat mo redevelop sa plaza ay ang national government kay sila ang nakaingon sa pagkaguba ani tungond sa pagbuhat sa tunnel.

tungod pod daw of mayor rama nag away c tommy and gwen :lol:

jochval

May 13th, 2011, 03:21 AM

tungod pod daw of mayor rama nag away c tommy and gwen :lol:

nindot kaayo ilang love triangle :lol:

slerz

May 13th, 2011, 03:22 AM

Can somebody post a google map of where exactly Ciudad is located? :D :D

Tenk yu daan!

somewhere here...
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6779/googleciudad.jpg

bakasaurus

May 13th, 2011, 03:55 AM

Hinaot nga ang traffic issues sa BanTal maaddress fully before ni mahuman. In short maayo ta fully operational na ang BRT before that!! Hehe.

Next stop will be at Ciudad Station...tedeng.....hehehe.

Hope they will work their way around the trees there..sayang pod maputol..

CebuMagigger

May 13th, 2011, 04:34 AM

and hopefull a wider sidwalk

CebuMagigger

May 13th, 2011, 04:34 AM

and hopefull a wider sidewalk

gud2ya

May 13th, 2011, 04:52 AM

ciudad is the former cis football field right?

diehardbisdak

May 13th, 2011, 12:17 PM

^^not just the football field bai but the entire property of the former campus of CIS

isla

May 13th, 2011, 07:44 PM

Now Revived.. I cant imagine this CIUDAD project interjecting with the Asiatown.. Wow..
We will be expecting another big thing here..

what a wonderful way to celebrate being an ambitious province!!!! :banana:

Wow I wish for the interconnection of CBP, Asiatown & Ciudad to form a mega business park. Daydreaming at 1:45 in the morning hehe :lol:

Daizuke

May 14th, 2011, 12:28 AM

somewhere here...

Thanks Slerz!

ivanc

May 14th, 2011, 04:35 AM

repost lang..

could this be it? i just googled "ciudad cebu" and found pics of a groud breaking.
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/428/clipboard01so7.jpg

Link here:http://www.cebu.gov.ph/press/CiudadCebu/index.asp

jochval

May 14th, 2011, 04:43 AM

naa ni highrise ang ciudad?

Jarenz

May 14th, 2011, 06:13 AM

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CiudadCebu08.jpg

maayo unta mabalik to ang proposed 24-storeys hotel nga part sa Ciudad Complex

jochval

May 14th, 2011, 07:00 AM

ug maayo unta dili lang usa kun dili daghan ...:)

CebuMagigger

May 14th, 2011, 07:07 AM

yea kanang daghan buildings but naay pagkaheritage sa ubos
for example:
http://www.traveladventures.org/continents/europe/images/bucharest-architecture02.jpg

jochval

May 14th, 2011, 07:17 AM

sige ingna gud na si gwen kung makahapit ka sa ilaha..haha

CebuMagigger

May 14th, 2011, 07:39 AM

atot wui

Zuburbia

May 14th, 2011, 02:23 PM

^^
katong daang model sa ciudad bah, mura man og dili commercial or mall.. mura man og housing project :lol::lol::lol:
wa gani ko kakitag pagka spanish..:nuts:

CebuMagigger

May 14th, 2011, 02:50 PM

^^
btaw i was like saying to myself: something is lacking somethings wrong with this cud it be lack of tall buildings? IDK! but i jus got the answer...................................IT LOOKED LIKE A HOUSING PROJECT!! :lol::lol::lol::nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

Daizuke

May 16th, 2011, 07:55 AM

^^ Bitaw jud koy nkit-an something Hispanic sa ilang gi proposed... Abi jud nkog Camella Homes lng :D

wakeuptoreality

May 16th, 2011, 09:43 AM

maypa paliton na lang na sa Ayala na lot para mahimo extension sa IT Park then sila na mudevelop ana ala-Bonifacio High Street

jochval

May 16th, 2011, 09:54 AM

mao jud na akong nabantayan murag housing project..haha..ipareha na lang na sa IT Park wui, mas nindot pa..hehe

diehardbisdak

May 16th, 2011, 10:38 AM

^^ para nako, ayos lang kay medyo nalahi siya sa ubang malls in Cebu...mas maayo hinuon na ka'y dili magpare-pareho ka'y sum-ol ra sab kung parehason sa uban...i thought that's one of their "come-ons" having this kind of mall set-up! :okay: ...i can imagine a European-ish street/market open-air mall :okay:

Jarenz

May 16th, 2011, 11:27 PM

^^
katong daang model sa ciudad bah, mura man og dili commercial or mall.. mura man og housing project :lol::lol::lol:
wa gani ko kakitag pagka spanish..:nuts:

^^
btaw i was like saying to myself: something is lacking somethings wrong with this cud it be lack of tall buildings? IDK! but i jus got the answer...................................IT LOOKED LIKE A HOUSING PROJECT!! :lol::lol::lol::nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

^^ Bitaw jud koy nkit-an something Hispanic sa ilang gi proposed... Abi jud nkog Camella Homes lng :D

mao jud na akong nabantayan murag housing project..haha..ipareha na lang na sa IT Park wui, mas nindot pa..hehe

high naman gud inyong standard, mao dili na ni ninyo ma-appreciate nga design :)

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CiudadCebu01.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CiudadCebu02.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CiudadCebu03.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CiudadCebu04.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CiudadCebu05.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CiudadCebu06.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CiudadCebu07.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CiudadCebu08.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CiudadCebu09.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s155/lorensgibb/ssc/CiudadCebu10.jpg

Henz

May 17th, 2011, 04:13 PM

mora syag upscale na mall.. i hope this will be materialized soon. :okay:

isla

May 17th, 2011, 04:48 PM

I like it, something different from the usual Ayala, SM or Gaisano mall. But ofcors, they need to fine tune the design if they wana compete w/ the bigtime mall players.:cheers:

ferny123

May 17th, 2011, 05:16 PM

somewhere here...
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6779/googleciudad.jpg

Im in favor of the ciudad project. But if it would be built in this location ayaw nalng. We already have a few greeneries in the city, and if this project would push through at this location samot na kagamay ato greeneries. I would rather see this place as a park than the ciudad project. Im sorry to the supporters of this project sayang jd ang trees. I hope they would just move ciudad to the squatters area up to the NFA building.

Zuburbia

May 18th, 2011, 05:32 AM

Sleepwalker

May 18th, 2011, 07:32 AM

Would be much better if all of the roads of Cebu, especially the major one, will be tree-lined (ayaw na'ng Indian tree, kay wa gud na'y ayo). In this way, it will entice more people to walk.

zubuwood

May 18th, 2011, 08:55 AM

^^^^^^^^ bitaw ayaw tah anang Indian tree pod oie kay baho mana... :lol::lol::lol:

CebuMagigger

May 18th, 2011, 09:32 AM

nyc butangan ug palm trees murag gta bah hahaha imagine kaha noh kung naay GTA Queen's City :lol::lol::lol::nuts:

bintaro

May 18th, 2011, 09:35 AM

Im in favor of the ciudad project. But if it would be built in this location ayaw nalng. We already have a few greeneries in the city, and if this project would push through at this location samot na kagamay ato greeneries. I would rather see this place as a park than the ciudad project. Im sorry to the supporters of this project sayang jd ang trees. I hope they would just move ciudad to the squatters area up to the NFA building.

yeah i agree with your point,,,that part there is still full vegetation and infact it can still sustain life because of the oxygen giving trees there not, only that, it also gives shade to make that sorrounding cool. you know what everytime i pass by that area i can feel tranquility. its better to kick those squatters near AITP co they are eye sore, i just cant imagine squatters infront of AITP tsk tsk tsk.

bintaro

May 18th, 2011, 09:39 AM

Would be much better if all of the roads of Cebu, especially the major one, will be tree-lined (ayaw na'ng Indian tree, kay wa gud na'y ayo). In this way, it will entice more people to walk.

hahaha bitaw giputol gani sa akong papa ang 5 ka punoan nga indian tree sa among lawn kay bati kaayo, ako raba unta tong langsaranan sa akong manok before naa pako sa pinas hahaha, yeah palm tree would be nice or kanang lain nga klase sa lubeh lubeh or pine tree or cypress tree ba ron ka nice.

bintaro

May 18th, 2011, 09:45 AM

tungod pod daw of mayor rama nag away c tommy and gwen :lol:

mao nay gitawag ug pangabubho bro ehehehe:banana::banana::nuts::lol:

CebuMagigger

May 18th, 2011, 09:49 AM

^^
yea they shud relocate the squatters near aitp and cbp especially hipodromo so that it cn stil extend pine trees looks xmasish hahaha

bintaro

May 18th, 2011, 10:00 AM

^^
yea they shud relocate the squatters near aitp and cbp especially hipodromo so that it cn stil extend pine trees looks xmasish hahaha

everday xmas gyud bro everytime moagi ka diha once those trees are planted, it feels good cos those trees really projects intense green when its properly taken cared. best location should be in the sidewalks and center islands. but sayang lang pod nang mga kahoy dapit sa NFA nga maapektohan sa ciudad development kay green man gud kaayo nang dapiuta diha.:ohno:

bintaro

May 18th, 2011, 10:03 AM

utro pod nang hipodromo, pobre man pod ko sa amoa, pero murag dili ko mabuhi kung papoy-on ko diha ug 1 month, mag tan-aw lang gani ka mura naka ug ma soffocate. people who lived in hipodromo must have heavy duty lungs hahaha

dive-cebu

May 18th, 2011, 11:59 AM

regarding fine tuning of design, i just want to ask what u really mean by this? we shouldn't forget that Ciudad is a Themed Mall, the brains behind this project already thought of the positioning/branding of this mall so I don't think the so-called "fine-tuning" is really required.

ferny123

May 19th, 2011, 03:43 PM

^^
that area is for commercial/urban use not a forest reserve..if ever they will really build on that area, as their good will, it would be nice if they replace those trees, plant as twice its number up on the mountains of Cebu..:okay:

yeah its not really a forest reserve but its already there. Those trees are 20 years puls or more. The trees also filters out pollution in that spot alone you could really feel that the air is much cleaner. Compared to the same stretch of road located in Brgy Luz init na kaayu beacause theres no trees. And about the mountain argument. We need to have more trees in the mountains, but we also need to have greeneries within the city itself. Right now that portion is one of it. If we take that away as a greenery spot we would lessen the number of greeneries within the city. So my main point is, development is not bad, but we need to make it a sustainable development in order to have less regrets in the future. At this point of time my opinion cannot be dislodged from this posistion. Hehehe peace brad! :)

Jimbu

May 19th, 2011, 04:41 PM

Zuburbia

May 20th, 2011, 01:41 AM

yeah its not really a forest reserve but its already there. Those trees are 20 years puls or more. The trees also filters out pollution in that spot alone you could really feel that the air is much cleaner. Compared to the same stretch of road located in Brgy Luz init na kaayu beacause theres no trees. And about the mountain argument. We need to have more trees in the mountains, but we also need to have greeneries within the city itself. Right now that portion is one of it. If we take that away as a greenery spot we would lessen the number of greeneries within the city. So my main point is, development is not bad, but we need to make it a sustainable development in order to have less regrets in the future. At this point of time my opinion cannot be dislodged from this posistion. Hehehe peace brad! :)

with strict implementation of proper land use, there wont be any problem. and we can be sure that there is balance in our urban environment.. its just that there are areas with certain use, for human urban settlement, and areas that are suppose to be protected like natural landscapes and parks/open public spaces, eco-tourism or for the use of agriculture... Its just right to use these areas where it is intended, not the other way around...

when we are in the urban area, its really good to maximize the use of the areas within the city at the same time establish some areas for pocket greeneries and parks, and more trees on our sidewalks, for better air quality and livability. in this way we can slow down or prevent rapid urban sprawl that would spread pollution, destroy larger areas of suppose to be rural natural environment.. But as of the moment daghan kayog pat-ak pat-ak nga area sa metro cebu nga wala magamit, and wala man gani access road.. instead ang development nag concentrate ras daplin og duol sa dalan, ang mga sudlonon wala na maayo pagka compact, og pagka arrange, gapat-ak pat-ak ang mga areas nga dunay balay as well as ang mga vacant lots nga walay tarong og wala jud gani access road..
maong sa pila lang katuig hingkatap na ang kabusyhon, traffic, informal settlers, subdivisions/housing ngadtos consolacion, Liloan, minglanilla, Naga cordova, nga angay ra unta natong macontain diris center sa metro cebu...

and yes if ever they would pursue the Ciudad project, its very good if they plant lots of shade trees and put plant strips along the banilad road's sidewalks...:okay: that is all we need trees sa sidewalk para dili kayo init atong paglakaw.. sama sa giingon nimong area sa bario luz, alangan og dili mainit nga wala man jud nay kahoy ilang sidewalk...hehe

CebuMagigger

May 20th, 2011, 04:38 AM

and hope sad wen they put trees there on the sidewalks they wud extend the sidewalk para makalakaw pud ang mga tourist ug tarong dili maglakaw sa road :nuts:

Zuburbia

May 20th, 2011, 04:47 AM

^^
of course naa jud nay enough sidewalk kinahanglan..para kalakaw tag tarong dili lang ang tourist kundi para sa atong mga local nga sugbuanon og kinatibuk-ang residente sa sugbo, nga maoy mas labing importante...

viva la raza

May 20th, 2011, 05:08 AM

This project takes time and political will to be implemented. Gwen's tenure is only until 2013, after that an administration candidate will most certainly sit as governor(most likely Junjun Davide) and granting Tommy O will run again as mayor, this means a bleak future for Ciudad. This area should be sold or co-developed by the adjacent AITP. That's just my two cents.

majaba98

May 20th, 2011, 08:53 AM

I don´t like the design, not really spanish nor fine architecture. The high rise looks kind of ugly and the patio seems extremly packed with no space for park-like interior recreation area within the buildings. But possibly it only is a first unprecise model, might change and will be fine after all ?

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

May 21st, 2011, 10:06 AM

nice! mahinayon na gyud ni! :banana:

Zuburbia

May 22nd, 2011, 06:39 PM

pookhey

May 23rd, 2011, 04:40 AM

native trees should be planted in the complex...mas nakakatulong siya sa environment

LordCarnal

May 23rd, 2011, 07:31 AM

I hope usbon nila ang design sa Ciudad now that they've seen the design for the new Ayala and SM malls.

Spanish-inspired cguro gihapon but with a skygarden at the rooftop of the multi-level parking building?

..

LordCarnal

May 23rd, 2011, 07:33 AM

native trees should be planted in the complex...mas nakakatulong siya sa environment

Acacia diay is not native to Cebu. I learned about this at the nature reserve park in Ayala Heights.

And you're right, native trees ang dapat itanom like the Mabolo/Kamagong tree, hehe..

..

minty15

May 23rd, 2011, 07:56 AM

Nice man gihapon ang concept sa Ciudad, I think it's suppose to be an outdoor mall. I just hope the final design would incorporate a more spacious, vibrant spanish style plaza complete with a fountain. Because based on the scale model, it looks so tight and gloomy inside. Reminds me of how some stores and restaurants are in intramuros.

... and i hope they also put an iconic plaza tower in there as well :P

MatudNilaBaby

May 23rd, 2011, 08:05 AM

Acacia diay is not native to Cebu. I learned about this at the nature reserve park in Ayala Heights.

And you're right, native trees ang dapat itanom like the Mabolo/Kamagong tree, hehe..

..

kanang dakit unsa man diay nang claseha sa tree.

LordCarnal

May 23rd, 2011, 08:15 AM

^^

Balete tree

..

diehardbisdak

May 23rd, 2011, 09:11 AM

kanang dakit unsa man diay nang claseha sa tree.

^^ Balete or Rubber Tree in layman's term

isla

May 27th, 2011, 01:51 PM

Apas barangay captain issues clearance for Ciudad 5/27/2011

By Doris C. Bongcac, Chief Of Reporters

APAS barangay captain Ramil Ayuman said he signed a barangay clearance for Fifth Avenue Property Corp., which is planning the Cuidad project along Governor Cuenco Avenue in Cebu City.

However, Ayuman said he did not issue the barangay clearance dated April 12, 2011, in defiance of former mayor and now Cebu City South District Rep. Tomas Osmeña who opposes the Cuidad project.

“I do not want to pick a fight with the congressman because I highly respect him. I became a barangay captain because of him,” he said.

Ayuman said he does not want to intervene in the word war between Osmeña and Gov. Gwen Garcia which stalled the project.

“They have different points of view but I gave weight to the benefits that our barangay and the whole city of Cebu will reap when I signed the barangay clearance,” he said.

He was referring to potential jobs and revenues that his constituents would get from the project.

Fifth Avenue paid P500 for their barangay clearance application.

Ayuman said he also expects to earn fees from business permit applications from future lessors of the Cuidad project, which is expected to increase the barangay's annual income of P11 million.

“If we do not accept their application, they might apply with barangay Lahug,” he said.

The Capitol lot where the Cuidad project would be built is beside Asiatown IT Park, which barangay Lahug claims as part of their barangay.

Ayuman said he met with Michael Dino, Fifth Avenue president, last month to inquire about the P1.2 billion Ciudad project before acting on their application for a barangay clearance.

He said Dino showed him a PowerPoint presentation of the project and furnished him a copy of the traffic study conducted by Pedro Adonis Compendio to determine how the project would affect traffic along the Banilad-Talamban Corridor.

The traffic study showed a plan to open three access roads at the Asiatown IT Park.

A fourth access road is proposed at the Central Command Compound.

Ayuman said that the development project would also have an eight-meter setback from Governor Cuenco Avenue.

Ayuman said structures in the Ciudad compound would have a Spanich-era theme.

The buildings would have brick walls. A replica of Casa Gorordo, Colon Street and old houses in Carcar City may be found in the compound while security guards would be dressed as Spanish-era guards.

It would also have a three-story museum to display the works of Cebuano artists and a hotel with furniture designed by Kenneth Cobonpue.

“IF you look at the designs, you would forget that politicians are fighting,” said Ayuman.

Dino, Ayuman said, promised to prioritize Apas residents for employment.

An area in the development project would house Apas vendors who sell balot and offer shoeshine services.

Performers from barangay Apas would be tapped for cultural shows.

A barangay clearance is a requisite for the issuance a locational clearance by Cebu City Hall.

Other requirements include a duly accomplished locational clearance application form, parking data, lot title certification, lot tax declaration, geodetic sketch plan, bill of materials, building permit application form and architectural plan.

With the issuance of a locational clearance, the applicant can apply for a building permit from the Office of the building official.

CebuMagigger

June 6th, 2011, 03:16 PM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5184/5594085496_75f2718cdb_z.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4258915981_e2d8818804_z.jpg ur ryt zuburbia this is how ciudad shud look like :yes:

Zuburbia

June 7th, 2011, 11:29 AM

Totyal!!!!!!:cheers:

Sleepwalker

June 7th, 2011, 12:03 PM

Ambisyoso! :lol:

Henz

June 7th, 2011, 01:33 PM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5184/5594085496_75f2718cdb_z.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4258915981_e2d8818804_z.jpg ur ryt zuburbia this is how ciudad shud look like :yes:

kanindot sa syudad kung ma ingon ani sa??? :banana:

Pero mas excited ko sa Barrio... :cheers:

CebuMagigger

June 7th, 2011, 02:29 PM

hehehe na jud ambisosyo DREAM BIG :nuts::lol:
^^haha wat barrio do u mean? :lol:

cyberCEBU

June 7th, 2011, 03:05 PM

totyal ang ciudad kung ingon ana

@cebumagger

Barrio is barangay hehe... diba barrio luz sauna karon barangay luz di ko sure murag manghud man tigali na sa barangay ang barrio @ambutlabg woi haha

CebuMagigger

June 7th, 2011, 04:18 PM

^^
haha thx for the info dude!

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

June 8th, 2011, 11:45 AM

actually, that mall is Bellavita in Taipei. nindot gyud siya kung ingon ana ang architectural design sa Ciudad Mall. :okay:

CebuMagigger

June 8th, 2011, 01:13 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f5/Bellavita_and_Taiwan_Petroleum_Corp_Building.jpg/800px-Bellavita_and_Taiwan_Petroleum_Corp_Building.jpg

AHH PAGKA IMAL!! kung ingon ani ang itsura sa dalan padong country mall! :tongue4::tongue4:

Junx

June 11th, 2011, 10:14 PM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5184/5594085496_75f2718cdb_z.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4258915981_e2d8818804_z.jpg ur ryt zuburbia this is how ciudad shud look like :yes:

I also like this design for CIUDAD!!!:cheers::cheers::cheers:

AmbutLang

June 13th, 2011, 08:00 PM

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=695753&publicationSubCategoryId=107

Tom rallies allies vs Ciudad project
By Garry B. Lao

CEBU, Philippines - If last night’s meeting between Cebu City South District Rep. Tomas Osmeña and his allies in the city council would be an indication of the fate of the proposed Ciudad project, then it looks like it won’t get past the city legislators.

Osmeña called for a meeting of the members of the city council at his residence in barangay Guadalupe to discuss the request of Mayor Michael Rama to lift the moratorium on development in the Banilad-Talamban area, which affects the planned Ciudad project of Cebu Province and the Fifth Avenue Development Corporation.

Present in the meeting were all councilors of the Bando Osmeña Pundok Kauswagan (BOPK) except for Nida Cabrera, who is on a month-long leave of absence in the United States and Edu Rama, a nephew of the mayor, who was not invited to attend.

Also present was Vice Mayor Joy Augustus Young, presiding officer of the city council as well as North District Rep. Rachel ‘Cutie’ del Mar, her father former Rep. Raul del Mar, and former South District Rep. Antonio Cuenco.

Francisco ‘Bimbo’ Fernandez, former city administrator, was also in the residence of Osmeña, but he left before the meeting started.

Osmeña, who was mayor of the city for nine years before seeking the congressional post in the South District due to term limits, has strongly opposed development projects in the Ban-Tal area due to the traffic congestion.

The Ciudad project is located in barangay Apas, but is along the Gov. M. Cuenco Ave., which is the main link of the Banilad and Talamban area to uptown Cebu City.

Rama has recently expressed his support for this project of the province.

“I just want to reiterate my objection to Cuidad project. He (Mayor Rama) is pushing for moratorium because he is making sip-sip to his godmother,” Osmeña said, referring to Governor Gwendolyn Garcia.

“There is only one access road going to the Ban-Tal and the entire northern barangays and the people there have property rights and they want to develop their properties. The people there are paying their taxes to the City Government and the Province does not. So why prioritize (the Cuidad project),” Osmeña added.

He also said that the claim that the project could generate employment would only be temporary as this can only happen during the construction period.

Rama is currently in Israel for an international gathering of city mayors. He is due back on Thursday yet.

Osmeña has chided Rama, whose political career started with the BOPK, when he first ran for office in 1992 as city councilor until he became vice mayor in 2001 and eventually as mayor last year, for what he called as “playing politics.”

“What else is new? He left BOPK and he is the only politician alive who will run after people who voted and campaign for him. Asa ka mangita og tawo nga ingon niana,” Osmeña said.

The congressman also reminded the mayor that all his consultants and the contracts that he will be entering on behalf of the city government will have to pass through and be approved by the members of the city council.

“What contract will he sign without the approval of the council? He thinks that he is the mayor and he is already the city,” the congressman said.

The relationship between the two former allies started to sour a few months since Rama assumed as mayor after the barangay and Sangguniang Kabataan (SK) elections.

Rama did not invite the city councilors to the mass oath taking of the election winners while stalwarts from the opposition were there.

Then, Osmeña foresaw that there would be a falling off of the party and Rama, who he tagged as having “befriended their political enemies.”

City Hall observers say that Osmeña is now laying the groundwork for a return to City Hall in the 2013 elections riding mainly on Rama’s weaknesses.

Before Rama bolted the BOPK, Osmeña had already publicly criticized his former ally several times for decisions and moves that did not please the former mayor.

Many have compared the relationship to what happened between Osmeña and his former vice mayor Alvin Garcia, who also succeeded him as mayor in 1995 and got re-elected in 1998.

During his second term, Garcia was criticized by Osmeña and the two ran against each other in 2001 with Osmeña successfully unseating Garcia.

They had a rematch in 2004, which Osmeña again won. Garcia’s party, Kugi Uswag Sugbo (Kusug) became the opposition in the city.—/NLQ (FREEMAN)

:ohno:

diehardbisdak

June 14th, 2011, 01:50 AM

^^ what else is new with Tomas? . . as expected!

Henz

June 14th, 2011, 01:54 AM

Goodbye nasad ta sa Ciudad na project? Cebu wont have peace with Tomas still in the helm...:ohno:

Sleepwalker

June 14th, 2011, 03:35 AM

The Avengers Inc. on the move again..:lol:

jochval

June 14th, 2011, 03:44 AM

paita..tsk tsk tsk..

Sleepwalker

June 14th, 2011, 03:45 AM

Maybe we can just close this thread, para wala sakit sa dughan.

jochval

June 14th, 2011, 03:51 AM

tungod ba jud sa congestion sa traffic ang reason??? magtukod gud ug lain dalan dili lang ang bantal road..hayzz...

diehardbisdak

June 14th, 2011, 08:36 AM

^^ hmmm....i'm afraid ang next maapektuhan ani kay ang SRP...i hope businessmen won't go away because of our LGU's disunity....haaaay...saun na lang ang SM's iconic tower... :ohno:

MatudNilaBaby

June 15th, 2011, 01:43 AM

claro nakaayo nga politics na iyaha. salig nga ilang apellido ilado sa mga tao nga ug dili ka kasuhito sa tinuod nga batasan sa tao mobatar gyud bisan ug piyongan pa ang balota. pero kanang mga tao nga nakasuhito sa iyang batasan, makaingon gyud nga panimalus nang iyang gibuhat ni rama ug garcia. dili unta nato dalhon atong kasilo sa usag usa in terms sa pang govierno kay ang mga tao ang mapagan.

i dont think he is a bad person in real life but we are not perfect in every way nga ang atong tingug ra gyud ang ilang paminawon. duna gyud give and take in real life.

wise_zech

June 15th, 2011, 10:38 AM

pagkalapad gajud ni ang ulo ni mang tomas oi mao dapat buhaton para sa ija :bash::bash:

MarkiiBoi

June 16th, 2011, 11:20 AM

ffffcccccccccccccccccuuuuukkkkkkkkkkkkk!

jochval

June 16th, 2011, 11:25 AM

wrong spelling..hehe

Zuburbia

June 17th, 2011, 01:41 PM

^^malingaw jud ko nimo mocomment Jochval..hahaha! apil nya sa meet2x pohon oi! :)

Zuburbia

June 17th, 2011, 01:43 PM

murag angayan lagi pod nig pina power plant mall nga style para sa ciudad mall ai, pero with al fresco lang ang sa Ciudad. IMO :)

jochval

June 18th, 2011, 03:36 AM

^^malingaw jud ko nimo mocomment Jochval..hahaha! apil nya sa meet2x pohon oi! :)

ngano malingaw man ka nako bay? mura ko ug clown?..hehe..bitaw bay, kung makalugar lang gyud, pero kabalo jud ko nga naa ra jud nay lugar.. :lol:

murag angayan lagi pod nig pina power plant mall nga style para sa ciudad mall ai, pero with al fresco lang ang sa Ciudad. IMO :)

unsa diay nang al fresco? murag sa northwing jud ko kabantay ana..hehe

LordCarnal

June 18th, 2011, 05:36 AM

^^ hmmm....i'm afraid ang next maapektuhan ani kay ang SRP...i hope businessmen won't go away because of our LGU's disunity....haaaay...saun na lang ang SM's iconic tower... :ohno:

I think not.

Businessmen think only of their profit, hehe.

If there's a will, there's a way. If a businessman is hell-bent in investing in SRP because he sees a potential that will really benefit him, his business, and his profit, then he will really find a way to put his money there.

..

cebuboi

June 20th, 2011, 12:41 PM

in short political motivation....

slerz

June 21st, 2011, 04:46 AM

Maytag i open nalang unta nang access road sa ciudad to IT park kay ka experience ko the other day gikan sa San Carlos hangtod sa Asilo nga traffic... imagina lang na unsa kataas ang linya sa traffic. Sa tanang gridlock sa tibuok sydad, ang Bantal area ang maka sapot kay dugay kaayo ka ma ibot labi nag peak hours. Kahasol diay kung mo skwela sa UC banilad og USC Talamban...:ohno:

diehardbisdak

June 21st, 2011, 10:29 AM

^^ so, naa gyud diay saktong rason si Tomas to stop Ciudad...aside sa personal issue with Gwen...

slerz

June 21st, 2011, 03:28 PM

gud2ya

June 21st, 2011, 03:36 PM

^^

so dapat diay ang trabaho ni rama is to widen that that ban-tal road para walay masulti si osmena.

even without the ciudad project, i think this should be among the first priority widening projects in cebu city. this area is one of the most congested roads in the city.

kenken94

June 21st, 2011, 03:37 PM

^^ It only takes more road networks linking northern Cebu City with the south can solve that traffic problem. Sige man ko adto San Carlos TC every Tuesdays and Thursdays pero wala paman ko kasulay og over (2x) na traffic pod.

slerz

June 21st, 2011, 03:49 PM

^^aw mao ba? mas maayo nuon. Timing ra siguro to 2 times ra nuon ko kasuway.
Mas ikaw gyud ang maka sulti sa tinu od nga sitwasyon kay everyday man ka mo adto.

^^

so dapat diay ang trabaho ni rama is to widen that that ban-tal road para walay masulti si osmena.

even without the ciudad project, i think this should be among the first priority widening projects in cebu city. this area is one of the most congested roads in the city.

Widen gyud ang dapat. Dili para pang pa hilom sa baba ni Tomas kung dili kay tungod kinahanglan.

As for Ciudad, naa bitaw access road padong IT Park so gamay ranag impact sa traffic situation diha. Basig maka hatag pa gani nuon ok kasulbaran kung matukod na ang ciudad...:yes:

gud2ya

June 21st, 2011, 04:14 PM

kulang man sa parallel roads gud nang ban-tal road. to think na the ban-tal area is lined with universities, malls, and subdivisions, heavy jud ang traffic diha.

h cortes is far away as a alternate route. why don't they widen this road i highlighted in red?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/2a777f8.jpg

kenken94

June 21st, 2011, 04:49 PM

^^aw mao ba? mas maayo nuon. Timing ra siguro to 2 times ra nuon ko kasuway.
Mas ikaw gyud ang maka sulti sa tinu od nga sitwasyon kay everyday man ka mo adto.

Widen gyud ang dapat. Dili para pang pa hilom sa baba ni Tomas kung dili kay tungod kinahanglan.

As for Ciudad, naa bitaw access road padong IT Park so gamay ranag impact sa traffic situation diha. Basig maka hatag pa gani nuon ok kasulbaran kung matukod na ang ciudad...:yes:

I beg to defer. Di man pod everyday. T-TH lang for Biology classes.

Pero mag-byahe ko usually around 12:00 so I guess it's peak hours but so far wala paman ko kasulay og grabe nga traffic situation sa Talamban - Ayala road. Smooth raman ang byahe also in the early morning, di pod kaayo pero basin naatlan lang jud ka's bottleneck situation @slerz. :)

slerz

June 21st, 2011, 06:03 PM

^^4-6pm ko naka byahe 2 times pero traffic kaayo. Early morning 7-9am walay traffic? nice...:okay:
Naka byahe sad kog 11am og 2pm ok raman. Naka agi sad ko katong wapay klase pag abot sa may flyover dapit daghan kaayog private vehicles resulting sa traffic.
Peak hours are from 7amto 9am and 4pm to 6pm...

Pero kung naatlan lang ko sa bottle neck, Does it mean there's no problem gyud sa traffic diha? (no need to widen?) Pero why issue man kaayo nang traffic diha permi? So it means naa gyuy problema sa traffic plus sakyan pas politika...

Zuburbia

June 23rd, 2011, 03:09 AM

di ta maghuwat nga ma-over2x super over na katraffic usa pa mo-action ang gobyerno...kay sa dayon dayon padong raman jud na diha! so angay nana i-six lanes ang ban-tal road padong nas pit-os kay kaning pit-os mahimo naning major major residential area! dili ta maghuwat nga daghan na kaayo structures nga gabuild pidpid sa dalan kay daghan og dako na kayo nyag magasto pagpademolish niini nila, angay najud ilisdan nang ngan sa pit-os og haruhay inig malapad nanang dalan diha..hehe

Mas nindot man gani diay ilahos nis unahan sa sentro sa compostela ning ban-tal pit-os nga dalan, para lahos na ngadto sa north coastal road..aron maoy mahimong alternative route padong north para dili na matraffic kung mo-agi pag consolacion og liloan...mao ni best route kaysa atong gihimo nilang dalan coastal road sa canasaga bay, kay molusot lang gihapon tos sentro sa Lilo-an, didto pa jud sa intersection sa simbahan nga didto nagkayagaw og gahuot ang mga akyanan og mga taw...:ohno:

AmbutLang

June 23rd, 2011, 03:44 PM

slerz

July 11th, 2011, 01:40 PM

Firm hopes to work on Ciudad within weeks (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/2011/07/11/firm-hopes-work-ciudad-within-weeks-166152)
July 11, 2011

FIFTH Avenue Development Corp. hopes to start the groundwork for the P1.2-billion Ciudad project this month, amid expectations some City Hall officials will still resist it.

It only lacks a loca-tional clearance from the Cebu City Planning and Development Office and an excavation permit from the Office of Building Official (OBO).

Fifth Avenue, through a presentation yesterday by PR practitioner Jonji Gonzales, said it will do its share to prevent traffic from building up in the Banilad area.

Traffic prevention was the Cebu City Government’s reason for freezing new developments in the Banilad-Talamban area in 2007. This stalled work on Ciudad, a joint venture between Fifth Avenue and the Cebu Provincial Government.

The project occupies 2.8 hectares owned by the Province along Gov. Cuenco Ave., Banilad.

If work can start this month, Ciudad may be ready by Christmas, a developer’s representative recently told Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia.

“Beyond cultural and entertainment benefits are the economic gains for the Cebuanos,” Fifth Avenue said in its presentation.

It estimated the development to create 2,800 jobs and generate P300 million a year in income.

It would cost City Hall P280 million to widen Gov. Cuenco Ave. and Salinas Drive, but the developer will do that for free, the presentation also said.

Meanwhile, the OBO reminded all developers in the city, including Fifth Avenue, to secure its permits before doing any groundwork.

Acting Building Official Josefa Ylanan confirmed a developer should first secure the locational clearance from the City Planning and Development Office (CPDO).

City Planning Officer Alipio Bacalso said a developer of a mixed-use commercial complex should also comply with other requirements. These include a barangay clearance, vicinity map, proof of rights over the property or an authority from the lot owner to use the property and site development plan.

Bacalso added they might also ask for an environmental impact assessment from the Department of Environment and Natural Resources.

He said if all the requirements are complied with and no other hitches come up, it will only take one week for the CPDO to evaluate the application.

Ylanan, in a separate interview, said it only takes one month for them to issue the building permit if all the requirements are met.

Mayor Michael Rama has no objections if Fifth Avenue will apply for all the permits it needs from City Hall.

“Dili man mahimo nga mag-una ang estorya unya atong diritsuhon pagsulti nga dili pwede. I think they know what they are doing ug ato unyang tan-awon (and we will see) how it will be received because we cannot preempt this,” Rama said.

The mayor said that all property owners in the city should be treated equally, fairly and reasonably.

Rama earlier said the Ciudad project will be included in their discussion during the zoning board meeting this week.

Rama was the vice mayor and presiding officer of the City Council when the moratorium was implemented about four years ago, but cannot recall if he was part of the discussion on the Banilad-Talamban moratorium.

“Check the records, maybe I was on official leave that time,” Rama said.

Rep. Tomas Osmeña, (Cebu City, south district) said in a text message that he didn’t single out the Ciudad project in opposing its development.

Osmeña and Vice Mayor Joy Augustus Young earlier warned Capitol officials and the Ciudad developer not to pursue the project. They promised to take steps so that the Provincial Government won’t be able to open the Ciudad project, once it is finished.

Published in the Sun.Star Cebu newspaper on July 11, 2011.

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slerz

July 11th, 2011, 01:43 PM

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gud2ya

July 11th, 2011, 03:01 PM

bintaro

July 11th, 2011, 03:27 PM

ngano malingaw man ka nako bay? mura ko ug clown?..hehe..bitaw bay, kung makalugar lang gyud, pero kabalo jud ko nga naa ra jud nay lugar.. :lol:

unsa diay nang al fresco? murag sa northwing jud ko kabantay ana..hehe

Outdoor dining na siya ang al fresco bro just like the terraces in ayala:)

diehardbisdak

July 11th, 2011, 03:38 PM

im not against this project but i have a feeling this project will disappoint.

this is not by ayala or the big name developers. what is 5th avenue's claim to fame, diay? who's behind this corp? i have a guess... :nuts:

again, good intention but probably the wrong execution.

...sabi nga ni Melanie Marquez, "don't judge a book if you are not a judge"....too early to tell pa!....let the development unfold and then, that's the time pwede ka mohatag sa imong verdict :okay: remember Parkmall before? first, when it was u/c, i thought it's kinda cheap na mall pero look at it now!

:D

bintaro

July 11th, 2011, 03:39 PM

^^klaro man pamolitika man gyud ang tumong ni Tomas. Although tinu-od nga gridlock gyud dihang dapita ig peak hours, maoy gi rason niya or gigamit niya para sa pamolitika...
Di na kelangan ng microscope para makita ang totoong intensyon..lol

Pero that area, BanTal area needs to be widened na gyud. Kasagaran raba sa mga sakyanan mga private vehicles. Di na maayo trapika, sobra pas Mambaling experience katong u/c pa ang flyover.

Kana man gud si masTo trapo man gud na siya. He took it personally sa ilang issue ni newG. If he really cares for his constituents wala na unta niya gipa grabe ug maayo ang situation sa traffic diha sa BanTal area. If we can imagine pila na gud na siya ka tuig parka mayor sa Cebu dayun wala gyud siya gihimo nga projects nga pwede makasulbad sa traffic diha naa man kaha siyay panglantaw sa Cebu ugma damlag, ang iya ra gyud giseguro ug maayo yang pet project nga SRP hahayyyy ambot Lang. If maglisod na unta papa widen sa karsada di naghimo nalang unta ug Laing alternative road dihang dapita dayun e work out dayun ang land acquisition, I know it takes time and effort but if you think about the welfare of your constituents Dili gyud siya impossible, it's just a matter of political well kaysa mag sige ug tagawtaw.