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October 20th, 2007, 03:58 AM
Trolley system hits short-term pothole
Budget cuts slow the evolution of Iorio's vision of a "great circulator system."
By Mike Brassfield Times Staff Writer
Published October 19, 2007

Route 96, by the numbers

Here are ridership numbers for the downtown trolley for five fiscal years, including the just-ended 2007. The service was free before 2004, when HART implemented the current fare of 50 cents

90,537

2003

129,193

2004

110,281

2005

83,150

2006

77,469

2007

New trolley hours:

Effective in late November

Downtown trolley: 6-9 a.m. and 3-6 p.m. Monday-Friday

Entertainment shuttle: 6 p.m.-2 a.m. Friday and Saturday

By MIKE BRASSFIELD

Times Staff Writer

The little canary-yellow trolley bus that wheels around downtown has a devoted following but a dwindling one.

Office workers hop on it to go grab lunch. Tourists take it from their hotel rooms to the convention center. Maids, bartenders and servers at those big hotels ride it to work, transferring from bigger buses that haul them downtown.

But the trolley - actually a small fleet of trolley buses that circulate every 15 minutes - is being tugged in different directions.

In the long term, Mayor Pam Iorio and others envision a beefed-up system of more frequent buses, called downtown circulators. The goal is to make this growing downtown a place where people can live, work and play without relying on cars.

But in the short term, budget cuts are slashing the hours and routes.

Starting Nov. 19, the trolley will disappear from downtown's streets in the middle of the day and on weeknights, and will stop shuttling between downtown and Hyde Park.

At the same time, its morning and afternoon route will stretch farther north to Interstate 275 to pick up commuters who drive downtown from Carrollwood or New Tampa and leave their cars in cheaper remote lots for the day.

"We're stepping back to the way the trolley originally operated. It's going back to being much more of a parking circulator," said Jill Cappadoro, spokeswoman for Hillsborough Area Regional Transit, which operates the trolley.

Also late next month, the trolley will cut its evening hours, stopping at 6 instead of 10 p.m. - except on weekends, when it will transform into an "entertainment shuttle" on Friday and Saturday nights, ferrying riders between destinations like Channelside, the St. Pete Times Forum, Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center, hotels and parking, as late as 2 a.m.

"This is just the beginning," Cappadoro said. "This will evolve over the years with the city's growth."

A brief history

Officials call it "the rubber-wheeled trolley" to differentiate it from the electric streetcar on rails, which runs a separate route between the Tampa Convention Center and Ybor City.

Over the years, the trolley has gotten mixed reviews. HART says it's useful and decreases the number of cars downtown, although everyone concedes it could handle more passengers. The trolley often rolls by with just a handful of riders, and sometimes only the driver.

It used to be free. It started charging a 50-cent fare in 2004, partly to pay for evening hours and a new route to Hyde Park Village. Since then, annual ridership on the downtown loop has steadily dropped from nearly 130,000 to about 78,000.

A vision of the future

Even in a housing slump, downtown Tampa is expected to keep growing - just not as fast.

Iorio envisions a day when people living in the Channel District will ride a bus to see a play at the Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center, or residents on N Franklin Street will catch a bus to get to work at the County Center.

Her long-term goal of a "great circulator system" is part of a much bigger vision that includes light rail running through downtown. If rail ever comes, it will need to match up with a better bus and trolley network. That would be the only way to convince people they could move around without their cars in the Florida heat.

"What we have now is an environment where people get in their car to go five blocks downtown," said Ed Crawford, HART's government affairs director. "Going forward, the question is going to be: Do we not want to do things like downtown circulators? Do we just do regular bus routes and call it a day? Or do we want to become a place where you can reasonably expect to get around on public transit?"

Hillsborough transportation planners just finished a study that maps out options and potential routes for a downtown circulator system. They looked at traffic patterns, employment and entertainment centers, and plans for condos and apartments.

They also reviewed what similar downtowns are doing; some are running frequent electric shuttles instead of the gasoline-powered trolley buses that Tampa uses.

The study makes long-range recommendations for 2012 or beyond:

- Make the circulators free and frequent.

- Connect to Ybor.

- Make downtown more pedestrian-friendly with better sidewalks, lighting and connections to transit stops.

- Integrate the streetcar into this system.

Of course, making all of this "free and frequent" is a tall order.

"Circulators are a challenging service. They're very expensive," said Mary Shavalier, HART's planning director. "And circulators, in my opinion, don't work unless they're frequent."

There are different ways to pay for it. The study noted the example of places like Chattanooga, Tenn., Norfolk, Va., and Orlando, which funnel cars into city-owned parking garages on the edges of their downtowns. Commuters then hop on a free shuttle that's partly funded by their parking fees. Tampa could look at adopting some version of that model, transportation planners said.

The study also made short-term recommendations - like the Friday and Saturday night entertainment shuttle that's in the works. HART is hunting for sponsors to underwrite the cost of running that late shuttle during special events like Gasparilla, Guavaween, the Fourth of July and New Year's Eve.

The present day

Here's the catch: Transportation planners launched this research project before property tax rollbacks forced HART to cut its budget and trolley service.

"We were not anticipating this when we started out with the study," said Lucie Ayer, executive director of the Hillsborough Metropolitan Planning Organization.

Now, HART is killing off a few little-used bus routes around the county. During midday, the downtown trolley carries fewer than two passengers per trip, so it will be limited to the peak morning and afternoon hours. See accompanying box. The trolley that runs to Hyde Park also carries fewer than two riders per trip, so it's being eliminated entirely.

Still, officials view the downtown circulator study as a road map for the future.

Said Crawford, of HART: "This makes an excellent blueprint for where we need to go, current funding problems notwithstanding."

Mike Brassfield can be reached at (813) 226-3435 or brassfield@sptimes.com.

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Jasonhouse
October 20th, 2007, 04:21 AM
Complete BS!!!

I'm telling you, developers are going to pull out of DT in a hurry if our leaders don't get their heads out of their asses and do something about transit. The city has made all kinds of promises to developers, and while developers have dropped like a billion dollars downtown, the city has hardly kept their word. 3 museums promised, nothing built. Riverwalk? Sorry, not until residents cough up donations. Redeveloped the slums ringing northern DT and Ybor? Nah. Fixed sidewalks/drainage/water pressure? Maybe someday. Redeveloped Fed Courthouse? 9 years and counting. Resurface and beautify Kennedy? lololol...

tampasteve
October 20th, 2007, 02:51 PM
Jason,
I could not agree more. Our elected officials keep touting the idea of a grand down town where people live 24/7, with museums, transit, and everything needed for a quality life. Well, it is time they stand behind that. These are all great projects, but more has to be done than talk. Transit will almost always loose money, that is not to say that redundant lines should not be removed, but circulators are a must in a core like DT. Until the city starts following through all of these grand proposals for condo and office towers are just going to stay that, proposals.

I especially lament our transit situation. The are has been talking about rail transit for at least 20 years. Now is the time for action, actually, 10 years ago was the time for action. Without a real transit solution we will be left behind when it comes to large events and people moving to the city. Transit is high on the list of many people when they are moving cities or states. We have alreadly lost the Republican convention in part because of our lack of transit, the Florida Olympic bid was not helped either...and these are just two examples.

I love the mayor and her proposals, and it seems like it is going to happen this time, but we need to get something moveing more than lips.

Steve

HARTride 2012
October 21st, 2007, 03:25 AM
^^
Agreed, we need to get the rail thing going while Iorio is still in office. Who knows what the future mayor will have in store after she leaves in 2010 or whatever.

Jasonhouse
October 21st, 2007, 04:29 AM
The Tampa mayor isn't the problem, and hasn't been the problem for some time.

HARTride 2012
October 22nd, 2007, 03:06 AM
My point is, the rail plans have been on hold for years now. I'm glad Iorio is trying to push it through. But all the other politicians don't seem to care very much right now. This has to change.

smiley
October 22nd, 2007, 03:26 AM
Um . . maybe you did not read the article and note that it is about the funny looking bus, not the streetcar - and any "circulator" of the funny looking bus will negatively impact the streetcar by sucking up $ while not getting any riders, because most people going to fancy dinner and the theater are not going to ride the funny looking bus. . . .

Iorio is part of the problem - she came in talking about "land acquisition" for rail sometime in the future. She only acted when Orlando acted. . . if that is leadership then . . . .

TampaMike
October 22nd, 2007, 03:49 AM
What they need to do is find a Private Company to do this, than trying to wait for the government to do so. I was watching a video in my Economics class where a Apartment building was funding by the government and was a totel wreak and when the owner found a private investor to take handle of the apartments, the whole place was remodeled, parks where safe and the drug dealers and them were ran out or warned that if they didn't stop smoking and dealing weed at the parks, that they would be kicked out. Surprisingly, most followed through.

What I am saying is that we waited for the government to fund transit, not just for Tampa, but for the whole state. Look what happened to the High Speed Rail between Tampa and Orlando, it fell through. They didn't have concrete planning on it and just waited until it collapsed on itself. If Iorio wants to see rail happen for Tampa and the whole area, look at private companies and not Crist. If we look at the government for funding, then we'll be looking at another 3-5 years before we see anything from happening.

smiley
October 22nd, 2007, 04:25 AM
FIlm strip propaganda does not the real world make - if it was profitable then lots of companies would be tryng it . . .somethings are better off not privatized (despite what some idealogues would have you think)

jonknee
October 22nd, 2007, 05:04 AM
It wouldn't work privatized, but it would definitely get done faster if bid out. Have companies come up with proposals for what they could do with $x in capital. Not just construction, but having them come up with routes and what not. Government is inherently slow because it lacks incentives. Give some people an opportunity to make some decent cash if they do the hard work and get shit done and all of a sudden things get done.

The recent rash of privately owned toll road projects is an interesting development along similar lines.

JBrisco
October 22nd, 2007, 06:42 AM
In Germany, US Banks have been purchasing their trolley lines, leasing them to the city, who then turns around and leases back to them in order for them to report a loss to evade taxes. Now, If the US Bankes would invest in our own cities, that would be lovely.
But it deffintly should happen that private investors invest in the trolly system of Tampa.

HARTride 2012
October 22nd, 2007, 03:22 PM
What they need to do is find a Private Company to do this, than trying to wait for the government to do so. I was watching a video in my Economics class where a Apartment building was funding by the government and was a totel wreak and when the owner found a private investor to take handle of the apartments, the whole place was remodeled, parks where safe and the drug dealers and them were ran out or warned that if they didn't stop smoking and dealing weed at the parks, that they would be kicked out. Surprisingly, most followed through.

What I am saying is that we waited for the government to fund transit, not just for Tampa, but for the whole state. Look what happened to the High Speed Rail between Tampa and Orlando, it fell through. They didn't have concrete planning on it and just waited until it collapsed on itself. If Iorio wants to see rail happen for Tampa and the whole area, look at private companies and not Crist. If we look at the government for funding, then we'll be looking at another 3-5 years before we see anything from happening.

It wouldn't work privatized, but it would definitely get done faster if bid out. Have companies come up with proposals for what they could do with $x in capital. Not just construction, but having them come up with routes and what not. Government is inherently slow because it lacks incentives. Give some people an opportunity to make some decent cash if they do the hard work and get shit done and all of a sudden things get done.

The recent rash of privately owned toll road projects is an interesting development along similar lines.

Private-Public partnerships would be more logical in this sense for the trolley. Fully privatizing them won't work. Especially if the transit workers start complaining about it. Look at the killed HARTflex service proposal. The bus drivers union objected to the service being run by a private operator.

jonknee
October 22nd, 2007, 05:12 PM
^ Then fire the bus drivers. It may not be popular, but they shouldn't be able to hold back transit plans.

JBrisco
October 22nd, 2007, 08:24 PM
^ Then fire the bus drivers. It may not be popular, but they shouldn't be able to hold back transit plans.

Yah, its not hard to find more uneducated people who will make more than teachers.

HARTride 2012
October 22nd, 2007, 08:49 PM
^^

True, if teacher salaries weren't so low, perhaps more teachers would want to teach in Florida. :ohno:

My point is, fully privatizing transit doesn't work in my view either. A private-public partnership may be more feasible if a good agreement can be dished out. Of course, we need politicians who won't just sit around, look pretty, but don't do anything for the general public.

TampaMike
October 22nd, 2007, 08:55 PM
but if the trolley system was private and the local government gave them details of what they wanted to see, than they'll do so. It's called competetion. If you don't live up to your word than you'll be feeling the boot and someone new will come. Competetion is what makes things going and work extremely well. Think of the trolley system, if the Mayor told a company that they want to have a system that would circulate the city and at faster speed, than they would do it without a second to waste. They know if they screw up, they're outta here.

HARTride 2012
October 22nd, 2007, 08:55 PM
^^
True.

Quegiebo
October 23rd, 2007, 01:20 PM
Jason,
I could not agree more. Our elected officials keep touting the idea of a grand down town where people live 24/7, with museums, transit, and everything needed for a quality life. Well, it is time they stand behind that. These are all great projects, but more has to be done than talk. Transit will almost always loose money, that is not to say that redundant lines should not be removed, but circulators are a must in a core like DT. Until the city starts following through all of these grand proposals for condo and office towers are just going to stay that, proposals.

I especially lament our transit situation. The are has been talking about rail transit for at least 20 years. Now is the time for action, actually, 10 years ago was the time for action. Without a real transit solution we will be left behind when it comes to large events and people moving to the city. Transit is high on the list of many people when they are moving cities or states. We have alreadly lost the Republican convention in part because of our lack of transit, the Florida Olympic bid was not helped either...and these are just two examples.

I love the mayor and her proposals, and it seems like it is going to happen this time, but we need to get something moveing more than lips.

Steve

I couldn't have said it better myself, Steve. :)

HARTride 2012
October 23rd, 2007, 01:42 PM
I think there also needs to be a DT wide fare free zone. This may entice even more riders in DT to utilize HART busses, including any trolley routes.

tampasteve
October 23rd, 2007, 01:51 PM
I would like to see the number of riders that have switched to using the fare free Hooters bus at lunch time...perhaps a combination of the two systems would account for the numbers change; also, the fact that the Hooters bus is fare free is something our civic leadsers shuold take note about.

Steve

HARTride 2012
October 24th, 2007, 12:37 AM
^^
Good point.