Finally its time to open an official thread for the Queensland Gallery of Modern Art, or QGMA as it will be called.

I looked across to Kuripla point today and saw that existing buildings on the site are being dismantled. Not demolished, but actually dismantled, which seems quite strange.

It looked like the rowing facilities are now gone (having been moved to the new rowing centre at Davies Park, West End).

And there were some areas that looked like they had been recently graded.

At this point Kurilpa park itself is still intact.

Construction I'm told is due to begin in the next few weeks.

The state library extension is also due to begin in the near future. I think that we should give the library its own official thread. What do people think?

Actually some of the buildings on the site were knocked over by a crane, but I did notice that some buildings were being slowly dismantles.

Check out the website at www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au

River view by day
http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/slides/Riverviewbyday.jpg

By Night
http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/slides/Riverviewbynight.jpg

http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/slides/Riverstudy.jpg

Model
http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/slides/QGMA_Model.jpg

Foyer
http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/slides/Foyer.jpg

i went past on tuesday and they had a tractor in there just knocking it down, maybe they dismantle parts like the roof and then move in ad just knock it down. or maybe theres something like espestos in there that needs to be taken care of.

Does anybody know whether the exterior of the state library will be upgraded with the renovations? While QPAC looks great, the library looks a bit tacky with all those dead plants hanging of it.

Scrap my question. I found the site with the concepts for the library redevelopment, but those ugly plants are still there. :bash:

After the sudden burst of on-site activity back in August, work has seemingly ground to a halt. It seems that construction of the gallery is now not scheduled to start until December 2004. And they are hoping to complete the construction in only 10 months. Seems very hopeful to me. Anyway, here is a timeline pertaining to the Queensland Art Gallery:

(source)http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/timeline.htm

The most recent dates, regarding the QGMA, are at the bottom of the list.



1895 March Queensland National Art Gallery is founded. Official opening takes place in an upper floor room of the Brisbane Town Hall.
1905 December Gallery reopens on the 3rd floor of the then Executive Building.
1931 February Gallery moves to the refurbished Concert Hall of the Exhibition Building and reopens to the public.
1973 March Robin Gibson is announced the winner of the architecture competition for the Queensland Art Gallery.
1974 April Gallery closes in Exhibition Building.
1975 March Gallery reopens in temporary premises of the 5th and 6th floors on the MIM Building.
1982 June On 21 June, the Queensland Art Gallery building, the first purpose-built home for the institution, opens at South Brisbane.
1982 November The Queensland Art Gallery is awarded ‘The Sir Zelman Cowen Award for Public Buildings’.
1987 October Designing the Future of the Gallery outlines a strategic outlook for the Gallery’s future.
1990 February Director, Doug Hall, writes to the Premier, Wayne Goss, requesting that the Government consider the Gallery’s accommodation needs.
1991 October Proposals to extend the existing Gallery building are discussed by Trustees.
1993 September ‘First Asia-Pacific Triennial of Contemporary Art’ opens.
1993 October Queensland Cultural Centre Trust (QCCT) initiates discussions on ‘Stage VI’ development.
1994 July A Project Definition Statement to extend the existing Gallery building identifies a minimum requirement for more than 7000m2 of additional facilities.
1995 March Consultants report to the QCCT on the ‘Stage VI’ development options.
1995 November Cabinet dedicated the site to the north of the Queensland Cultural Centre for future expansion.
1996 February Gallery Trustees decide that a competition is the best option for progressing the project.
1996 December Cabinet gives in-principle endorsement to the QCC-2000 Project incorporating the Gallery’s expansion program.
1997 February Department of Public Works conducts a Value Management Workshop on the QCC-2000 Project.
1997 April Review of accommodation needs results in a Draft Accommodation Schedule increasing the Gallery’s need to more than 14 000m2.
1997 May Gallery Trustees endorse the Two Sites, One Vision strategy to develop a separate Queensland Gallery of Modern Art to complement the existing building.
1997 December Formal announcement by the Coalition Government of the QCC–2000 Project, including a 14,200m2 Queensland Gallery of Modern Art.
1998 April Government invites public comment on its intention to conduct architectural competitions for the major buildings of the QCC-2000 masterplan.
1998 September Labor Government initiates a review of the QCC-2000 masterplan.
1999 March Gallery submits its Revised Needs Analysis for the Queensland Art Gallery’s Building Program, substantiating the rationale of its dual-site development.
2000 May On 17 May, the Labor Government announces the revised ‘Millennium Arts’ Project with an increased budget for the Queensland Gallery of Modern Art and the Architect Selection Competition for the new Gallery.
2001 July The Strategic Planning Framework for the MA-QCC is released and the Architect Selection Competition for the Queensland Gallery of Modern Art is launched.
2001 September 174 submissions received in Stage 1 of the Gallery competition.
2001 November On 13 November, the Government announces the five architectural teams short-listing for Stage 2 of the Gallery competition.
2002 March On 18 March, Architectus + Davenport Campbell are selected by the assessment panel for recommendation to the Government.
2002 April On 8 April, the Government announces Architectus + Davenport Campbell as the selected architectural team to design the Queensland Gallery of Modern Art.
2002 April Parallel announcement of the architectural team for the ‘Millennium Library’ Project – Donovan Hill + Peddle Thorp.
2002 April 17-26 April, Preliminary public viewing of the five shortlisted models of the new Gallery at the Queensland Art Gallery.
2002 June On 21 June, exhibition of the Stage 2 submissions, ‘Queensland Gallery of Modern Art Architect Competition’, opens on the twentieth anniversary of the existing building. Exhibition closed on 4 August.
2002 July On 19 July Architectus + Davenport Campbell are formally commissioned by the Government to design the QGMA.
2002 August On 28 August the Queensland University of Technology and the University of Queensland architecture faculties stage a self-styled “Salon de Refuses”, showing a select number of the Competition’s Stage 1 submissions.
2002 September The APT 2002 opens on 12 September.
2003 April On 2 April the Steering Committee approves Donovan Hill + Peddle Thorp as architects for the Site Infrastructure Works.
2003 April On 7 April Gallery staff commence moving into the new Riverside premises.
2003 April On 9 April the Impact Assessment Study for the MA-QCC is released by the Government for public comment.
2003 April QGMA’s schematic design documentation is completed on 10 April in preparation for the Project to go to tender.
2003 May On 2 May a select list of tenders are invited to tender for the MA-QCC Project.
2003 July On 15 July the Minister of Public Works signs off on the MA-QCC's site designation.
2003 July On 28 July the Queensland Government announces Bovis Lend Lease as the preferred Managing Contractor for the Millennium Arts at the QCC Project.

Draft Forward Program

2003 September Design development on the QGMA re-commences.
2003 December Completion of design development.
2004 December Commencement of construction on the site.
2005 September/
October Construction completed.
2005/
2006 Commissioning of the QGMA.

Thanks for all the info B2 - must say, I had actually forgotten about this one - woops!

Is there any more news on this site?

i think you can see the construction site from the brisbane square live web cam..... at the moment im on dial-up so im not gonna bother checking. When i get my cable back il get around to it.

Speaking of which, just after I took the brisbane square photo I turned to take a photo of the rubble on this site - and my batteries went dead!....

The first major exhibition will be the largest collection of Andy Warhol art ever to come to Australia - AND ITS ONLY COMING TO BRISBANE!!!

Twas on the news a few weeks ago.
jt

Got some shots of what I think is the construction site...
http://img68.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Ausilencer/Img_0368.jpg
http://img68.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Ausilencer/Img_0366.jpg

Didn't there used to be a rowing club there? Brisbane Commercial I think.

yes there was a rowing club, but i think it was one of the private schools rowing club, like Grammar or something.. Well theres a massive new Rowing club built further down the river now facing Coronation Drive which houses like 5 different schools rowing gear. I think thats what they got in exchange for the land...

Courier Mail this morning.

Arts project cost soars by $48m
Steven Wardill
28may04

THE Beattie Government's Millennium Arts Project has suffered a massive cost blow-out with taxpayers to be slugged almost $50 million more than originally promised.

The surging price of the much-vaunted project will mean the Queensland Cultural Centre at South Brisbane will cost $277.3 million, almost the same as Suncorp Stadium.

The Cultural Centre, which makes up the bulk of Millennium Arts, includes the iconic Gallery of Modern Arts – which alone is estimated to now cost $107 million to build.

The announcement of the cost rise came the day after Premier Peter Beattie flew out on an international trade mission, sparking criticism it had been timed to minimise his political damage.






However, it also come 19 days before Treasurer Terry Mackenroth hands down the June 15 budget with Treasury forced to pump the $48.5 million extra funding needed into the Arts Department's 2005-06 financial year.

Indicative prices released by the Government reveal redevelopment of the State Library will cost $72.6 million but the projects are expected be completed on time in 2006.

In a statement yesterday Arts Minister Anna Bligh and Public Works Minister Robert Schwarten blamed the building industry's escalating construction costs.

Mr Schwarten said anyone who knew the building industry in Queensland would realise the cost increases were not foreseeable.

"On the major construction side, companies are reporting prices for certain trades have risen by up to 20 to 30 per cent in the last 12 to 15 months," he said.

Mr Schwarten said through "value management practices" and "redesign" Public Works had been able to contain some of the cost increases from the original estimate in May 2000.

However, Opposition Leader Lawrence Springborg ridiculed the Government's claim the building industry was to blame.

"We are talking here about almost $50 million," he said.

"The cost of building has not increased by 20 per cent over this period. What we are getting is pure undiluted lies from a Government that simply can't add up."

Mr Springborg said the announcement had been cynically timed to avoid any fallout for Mr Beattie who would have ticked off the cost increase in Cabinet before flying out.

"What we have is a Premier who has fled the country in embarrassment wanting to avoid taking all responsibility," Mr Springborg said.

In March, The Courier-Mail revealed the Government was "re-programming' its public works schedule and faced a multimillion-dollar budget blow-out.

It was revealed the Government was deciding whether to delay major projects, threatening the state's job creation targets, or divert funds from other areas.

One of the projects identified a being under cost pressure at the time was the Millennium Arts Project.

Ms Bligh said the cost increase would not affect the expanding of cultural facilities to be built under the project in regional Queensland.

Oh the irony. The govt. originally chooses the cheaper, most unimaginative concept proposed for the site, and there is already a huge cost blow-out.

I will never forgive them for not picking the "Ayers-Rock-looking" design. THAT would have put Brisbane on the map.

Pic of the whole site!!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid118/p78fed077ff5853f4930d8b0b16ff2b81/f882705d.jpg

@ BrizzyChris
Cant say I remember seeing the Ayers Rock Design but would be very interested if there was a pic of any of the original proposals. I'm glad someone else is not overly happy with the design. Although I think that it will look good when it is finished I would have preferred something interesting in the same way the Federation Square in Melbourne is interesting and unique!

This is the design I'm talking about:

http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/images/popup/2280-06.jpg

http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/images/popup/2280-07.jpg

http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/images/popup/2280-08.jpg

Now that is cool!!!! BrizzyChris, you are absolutely right, that is what I call a public building. That would have stood alone as a Brisvegas Icon that would have been recognisable around the world. People would have gone there even if they didnt care about the art. Does anyone have any idea why the final design was chosen over the other proposals?

I think the reason for the succesful proposal winning was based on it being the cheapest! It is also quite "safe" in its design and won't upset the thronging masses or cause much debate. Peter Beattie loves it because it resembles a "queenslander" house with its "verandah" over the brissie river. Personally I think it resembles a tractor shed but at least we are getting a gallery of modern art so I shouldn't be too upset.

I'm not too impressed with that proposal, doesn't look good at at all.

A few pictures of the site, and the view accross the river.

http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/images/Site02.jpg

http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/images/Site01.jpg

http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/images/Site03.jpg

All that is a big pile of dirt and rubble now.

What were those buildings? Just warehouses?

Does Pauls icecream factory still exist which was in between the Grey St and Merivale bridges?

yes paul's still going on strong, i think that factory might be redone in the next phase of the brisbane urban renewl. Its not also just that factory, there is also another one 800m long on the other side of the bridge.

Its going to be a massive redevlopment precint.

http://map.slq.qld.gov.au/latest_03.jpg

http://map.slq.qld.gov.au/latest_03.jpg

Found a Construction Cam while looking for stuff on Modern Queensland Design.

jt

what about renders?

those pics in the first page are red X's now.

http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/images/home02.jpg

http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/images/building.jpg

http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/images/interior.jpg

http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/images/building02.jpg

http://www.architectus.com.au/flash/projects/0501/lg_images/image3.jpg

what are the red lights in the water in that first picture?

not amazing.... yet it has a charm that u have to love

where has the other thread gone on 'brisbane overtaking melbourne?

clearly some self important mod deleted it.

I mean 5 pages of discussion sint acceptable. activity on the forums? NEVER

5 pages from 4pm to 6.30pm!!!! that must be a record

Well piling has started, thats about all I have noticed on my way to work. I actually thought we would have seen a bit more action on the Library by now. I had thought they were doing that first.

what a boring design!!!! and they need to bulldoze the whole QPAC building down and have Brissy's own version of the Opera House and Federation Square.

A safe design. Looks like the parliament building in Darwin mixed with a bit of Norties touches.

There is a hammerhead crane on site just behind the Library, looks like its only for the Library extension but at least its a more visible start!!

A second Hammerhead must have gone up over the weekend, they certainly seem to be making good progress.

There is a new billboard about the millenium arts project on the corner of Grey and Peel St. It has a new (well I havent seen it before) render of the Library, looks really good. I will try and find it to post.

has anyone cared to realise that the new millenium has allready started, this building is a tad late me thinks

well considering its not called the millenium building, its part of the milleniums arts project, which is covering projects all over the state, funded by a special fund which was set up a the start of the new millenium. Makes complete sense to me.

fair enough

The show begins

Laura Buttigeig from the Southern News

The first slabs of concrete have been poured at South Bank’s $277 million Millennium Arts project. Construction of the Gallery of Modern Art and the redevelopment of the State Library began last week at the Queensland Cultural Centre. Work also will include a the development of a public plaza to link the existing gallery with the Gallery of Modern Art, as part of a $308.5 million project to building and expand culture facilities in Queensland.
Public Works Minister Robert Schwarten said the construction was the most extensive cultural capital works program in 20 years.
“It’s on time and the budgeted cost we announced in May last year is unchanged, “Mr Schwarten said. “During construction more than 4475 tonnes of steel, 27,000 cu m of concrete and 14,500sq m of glass will be used.
He said the project would firmly establish Queensland’s cultural facilities as among the finest in the world. The development covers more than 3.5 ha and is expected to create more than 2900 jobs during construction.
Arts Minister and Member of South Brisbane Anna Bligh said this week had been an exciting milestone in Queensland’s cultural development. “When the redevelopment is competed, the new State Library will be almost double its old size and offer greater access to collections and new series,” Ms Blight said.
The project is expected to be completed in August next year.

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Attached is a pretty and quite larger cross section of the Gallery, showing its 4 levels , the public plaza and 18m foyer.

It is interesting to consider that the new GMA will be almost 30% larger than the current Gallery

http://img202.exs.cx/img202/8294/milarts5oa.jpg

Im not normally one for pulling down trees but that tree on the left should be ripped out.

They've done all that work in one day?! i thought they only started this morning?

Yeah at that rate it will be open next week!!!!

a few of the early pics have gone south.
were any of them/does anyone have high quality shots of this project?
cheers.

Sure

http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/body/winner_qgoma_large.jpg

http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/body/gallery_qgoma_05_large.jpg

http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/body/gallery_qgoma_02_large.jpg

http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/body/gallery_qgoma_06_large.jpg

http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/body/gallery_qgoma_07_large.jpg

http://www.architectus.com.au/flash/projects/0501/lg_images/image3.jpg

the tinniest cross-section of a building
http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/image/6398/interior.jpg

And though this thread isn't about the library...lets spread the love

http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/body/slq.jpg

http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/body/gallery_slqr_08_large.jpg

http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/body/gallery_slqr_09_large.jpg

http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/body/gallery_slqr_10_large.jpg

http://img214.exs.cx/img214/1968/p21800198vu.th.jpg (http://img214.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img214&image=p21800198vu.jpg)

Snapped at sunset last night - sorry for the large size.

jt

I think something like Federation Square would of looked better but as per usual Brisbane must have safe designs.

Federation Square is a mess from the outside (exciting from within). If these look safe buildings to locals, it's because they have some Brisbane quality that's missing in other major cities - maybe others don't agree?

I agree. I just got back from Melbourne for the weekend and I must admit Federation Square wasn't as nice as I thought it would be. It looked a bit messy in design and I think it will date quickly. The inside was quite exciting though, a focus on art is nice. I think Brisbane design is quite good now, lots of glass, light and modernity.

I agree. I just got back from Melbourne for the weekend and I must admit Federation Square wasn't as nice as I thought it would be. It looked a bit messy in design and I think it will date quickly. The inside was quite exciting though, a focus on art is nice. I think Brisbane design is quite good now, lots of glass, light and modernity.

Isn't that the case with alot of Melbourne buildings - ordinary on the outside and spectacular on the inside. Just look at the Victorian Arts Centre - very ordinary but on the inside its amazing!! It is more of an inside city after all.

Personally I have reservations about the new Museum of modern art - I think we should have been a little bolder given the spectacular location on the river bend. Perhaps something with white domes or arches that would give some recognition to William Jolly Bridge in the background.

Anyway - should be a great building with its "queensland style" openness and balconies.

jt

Wouldn't it be great if we had the talked-about river fountain (like in Geneva) in the river in front of the art gallery. Ahhh, dream on :)

It looks like the building itself will only look interesting from the river. The rooftop is boring and there is nothing appealing about the side view of it. If brisbane wanted a cultural icon, the exteriors are a huge dissapointment, although I think the interiors will be nice and a modern art gallery will add to brisbane's culture significantly which is great.

The back and the front look quite similar, so it should also be interesting from the road. I'm reserving me final judgement until I get to walk through it but though it definiately isn't out-there I don't mind to too much.

I think this design would have been more interesting though...

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/cache/pub/pub_4420_w500h500q75bw1_1642239171.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/cache/pub/pub_4420_w500h500q75bw1_1297492443.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/cache/pub/pub_4420_w500h500q75bw1_1215810090.jpg

And we probably would have a better plaza...

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/cache/pub/pub_4420_w500h500q75bw1_1250796842.jpg

Something along the lines of the guggenheim museam would have been good, But I personally agree with JayT as it has that Queensland 'openess' about it. I personally am not a huge fan of the design, because it looks exactly like all the other QLD gov't pieces of work.

It needs something unique, other than being in a Queensland style fashion, I tihnk it needs a massive water feature or something along those lines, maybe even something from the proposals of the KGS rennovation.

I don't mind this design, it almost seems to fit in with the state library, but it does look a bit like the Clinton Presidential Library to me.

Wouldn't it be great if we had the talked-about river fountain (like in Geneva) in the river in front of the art gallery. Ahhh, dream on :)

Wow wouldn't it be nice. It's already been done though - and it sunk, LOL. The fountain pictured below is still at the bottom of the river.

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ShowImage.asp?B=6672096&T=P&S=1

jt

^lol

A fountain sunk? Please explain. Wouldn't it be held up by something attached to the riverbed?

Wow wouldn't it be nice. It's already been done though - and it sunk, LOL. The fountain pictured below is still at the bottom of the river.

jt


Wow how cool! Fantastic picture. hehe that's funny. We'll just have to have it spurting out of a building or something .... how bout Brisbane square *grin*

This reminded me of the QGMA
http://207.44.228.232/images/PIX/forumheaders/27.jpg

lol...same here.

lol...same here.
I noticed that - if they are doing it in Denmark it must be good.

jt

The first suspended slab was poured a little while ago, and supposedly the project is on track for completion in August 2006.

Also, though it isn't the gallery it is part of the MAP, the Musgrave Park Cultural Centre will begin construction in a little while.

http://www.innovarchi.com.au/images/musgrave/cu-musgrave01.jpg

http://www.innovarchi.com.au/images/musgrave/cu-musgrave04.jpg

http://www.innovarchi.com.au/images/musgrave/cu-musgrave03.jpg

http://www.innovarchi.com.au/images/musgrave/cu-musgrave02.jpg

musgrave cultural centre = needle exchange centre

^ possibly drug and alchol clinic too :P

welfare and dole collection too

Can you stop with the generalisations?

Is it any wonder Aboriginies find it hard to settle into our society!?!

they were joking ffs.

I had sex with both your mums.

Is it any wonder mothers find it so hard to settle into our society.

rofl.

i hate everyone who generalises too.

I'm such a hater, mang.

This is going to be such an important "shrine" and great injection for The Arts.

You guys! :no:

Sorry, didnt realise these forums were for racist bigoted morons without much intelligence, but then again i guess it is the queensland forum and such commentators wouldnt really understand that alcholism, drug-addiction and welfare-dependency are not restricted to one single group. What does seem to be restricted to one single group is ignorance, stereotyping and ill-informed generalisations about who people are. that group is a bunch of narrow-minded euro-australians who, unable to come to terms with the fact that their ancestors stole and murdered for the land we inhabit, feel the need to blame the victims of genocide. Such 'funny' comments only contribute to excluding indigenous australians and perpetuating the theft of our now shared country. Save your bullshit for the One Nation meetings and leave the forums for comments on buildings or you make the notion of a 'smart state' even more laughable.

Note: the irony of generalising queenslanders as morons is deliberate.

Ease up chief.

I don't think it's fair to generalise about a whole state and it's people in that way. Talk about hypocracy.

Thanks for the response but was generalising about queenslanders to make the point that you cant generalise about indegeneous people in such a way when it is plausible for another generalisation can be made regarding the author of that post. thats what the added remark about irony was for. It jsut irritates me to think that such inappropriate and irrelevant remarks would be posted regarding a cultural centre that aims to provide resources for both aboriginal and non-aboriginal people. if global warming isnt enough of a lesson for the appreciation of the indigenous harmony with nature and what we can learn from it then im not sure what is. And this is coming from a development and scraper enthusiast.

well then,

Now you have made your point clear...can we get back onto the topic?

When is this due for completion?

Thanks for the response but was generalising about queenslanders to make the point that you cant generalise about indegeneous people in such a way when it is plausible for another generalisation can be made regarding the author of that post. thats what the added remark about irony was for. It jsut irritates me to think that such inappropriate and irrelevant remarks would be posted regarding a cultural centre that aims to provide resources for both aboriginal and non-aboriginal people. if global warming isnt enough of a lesson for the appreciation of the indigenous harmony with nature and what we can learn from it then im not sure what is. And this is coming from a development and scraper enthusiast.
I'll buy a box of tissues for you next time I'm at the supermarket.

I started typing up a nice big response for you but decided i couldnt be bothered lol.
Anyone who types what you did doesnt deserve one

i wasnt generalising about aboriginals, i was generalising about people who live in musgrave park... so [deleted] off you left wing [deleted].

Typical QLDer.

we took Musgrave park from this countries original inhabitants.

QLDers in general are rascist discriminitve bastards to the Musgrave Parkians.

Sorry, didnt realise these forums were for racist bigoted morons without much intelligence, but then again i guess it is the queensland forum and such commentators... blah blah blah, etc. etc.

Lighten up, dude. If I took away your right to make jokes at the expense of right-wing nuts, then I might have actually paid attention at your plea for some of us to stop ... ahhh forget it.

I am going to take on the role of Hitler. The goal of all QLDers.

What's wrong with making fun of Musgrave Park? It's a shithole.

^ lol.

It was a pay out to mr freedom fighther

How dare he make fun of my unteligense :(

*joh for resurection*

Sorry, didnt realise these forums were for racist bigoted morons without much intelligence, but then again i guess it is the queensland forum and such commentators wouldnt really understand that alcholism, drug-addiction and welfare-dependency are not restricted to one single group. What does seem to be restricted to one single group is ignorance, stereotyping and ill-informed generalisations about who people are. that group is a bunch of narrow-minded euro-australians who, unable to come to terms with the fact that their ancestors stole and murdered for the land we inhabit, feel the need to blame the victims of genocide. Such 'funny' comments only contribute to excluding indigenous australians and perpetuating the theft of our now shared country. Save your bullshit for the One Nation meetings and leave the forums for comments on buildings or you make the notion of a 'smart state' even more laughable.

Couldn't be more spot on Haus. I thought about a long winded reply like yours but didn't want to waste my time.
Had to laugh at someone's sense of irony (lack thereof) when they didn't understand your generalisation about Qlder's (I'm a Qlder!) and I can have a good ol' laugh about my state - cos it ain't perfect. This is quite obvious judging by this thread. Smart state - ha!

I cannot believe that you lot are still crapping on with this argument, although I spose I contributed early on, and while I can see the humour in it, I do agree with the basics of what Haus is saying, just without all the bullshit.

Fact is, it was a generalised comment that most people on this forum found funny. Problem is, no one on this forum has any idea if there are any aboriginal people watching or not who may have taken offense, or if someone involved in the project was watching. I guess I thought it was a subject that was a little too sensitive to joke about. Just my opinion.

Malt, can yo do me a favour cos I dont know how, and post the construction cam pic for the QGMA.

I too had a fairly large response typed and ready to go - but in the interest of peace and stability in this modern world - I decided to say...

I think that both of these buildings could have been a better design, but that's just me...

This forum is supposed to be future-minded. It's not a place for conservativism and racism.

Let's move on to the topic! - ie the Millenium Arts Project...

Does anyone know if there is any planned upgrade for QPAC?

I know QPAC got new or extended buildings last year on Montague Road but havent heard about anything else.

theres a lovely building model in the foyer of the qld art gallery next door... i tryed to take photos but it was too reflective :(

Isn't it time this thread became #UC?

mossnd

What's wrong with making fun of Musgrave Park? It's a shithole.

I love Musgrave Park - it has:
Aboriginal Culture
Paniyri - Australia's largest Greek cultural festival.
It's the site of Brisbane's gay pride fair day
It also hosts heaps of other stuff...

BTW - This evening I counted 9 cranes over South Brisbane..

jt

Anyone here into the actual construction techniques used on development sites?

I'd be interested to know what type of foundation, structure, facade, services, finishes and special features would be in a government construction.

Are they doing anything in the original library, or is this a seperate development?

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The state library developement is also part of the Millenium Arts project. Essentially the space available will be more than doubled when completed.

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Taken today.
QGMA
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State Library
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Its rising up. Would be nice to go to the opening celebrations:)

You will notice in the cam pic above that the roof beams are starting to go on for the under roof, and the posts have reached the height for supporting the floating roof above.

As danubis asked back on page two... anyone know what's the deal with the red lights in the water of the night shots?

lol i cant even remember what it looked like now?!! hehehe the pic isnt there anymore... anyone remember what i was talking about?

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Presumably this thing -
http://www.millenniumarts.qld.gov.au/images/body/gallery_qgoma_05_large.jpg

I'd say they're just to make it look all pretty.

The main roof structural beams are well and truly going up now, from the William Jolly bridge and grey st side this one is really starting to take shape

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I noticed the glass this afternoon and I think it looks quite like the render.

This is going to be an exciting project.
Last week when I was at the Australian opening of "kiss of the beast" at QAG, Rod Welford discussed a great deal of what was happening over at the new QGMA. Let me just say that Brisbane is going to see many Australian firsts.

Its not only going to be the Biggest gallery in the Southern Hemesphere but its also going to have the biggest collection of modern art in Australia. It will also be the second largest public art museum in Australia.

It will also house The Australian Cinémathèque - http://www.qag.qld.gov.au/qgma/cinematheque


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This will no doubt be one of the premier cultural destinations this country has to offer.

Too bad it looks like a poo.

it looks like one of those 'houses of the future' at disneyland they made in the sixties

Anymore updates with this one anyone!??!

If you have a look at the Construction Cam above you can see that the roof is well and truly underway and will no doubt be finished early in the new year. The walls have started having the metal lining attached getting ready no doubt for the alpolic panels which will finish the outside of the building.

The Library looks to be very nearly finished. The back wall has some cladding on the top half and a green wall below that which doesnt look finished so Im not exactly sure what is going on there.

when is it actually goin to be opened? (ie; first installation? - which is meant to be andy warhol i think...)

Anyone notice too that the pics above of Orfeo's and Jayt's are kinda mirrored? that red bit at the top's changed sides.... oh well... that's modern art for ya...

Well spotted Leesome, actually if you look really closely they're not just mirrored, but the quite different!!!

Anyone notice too that the pics above of Orfeo's and Jayt's are kinda mirrored? that red bit at the top's changed sides.... oh well... that's modern art for ya...

There hasn't been any major changes to the building, the images are simply of different angles of the building - My pic gives the NE-E elevation, while JayT's gives a view from the South.


when is it actually goin to be opened? (ie; first installation? - which is meant to be andy warhol i think...)

The opening exhibit will be the Asia-Pacific Triennial of Contemporary Art in November 2006.

Nah they must be the same view of the building cos the river is in front in both of them?

The roof is coming along very nicely, with the southwest corner clad on top and underneath and the scaffolding down, this one is really taking shape now.

taken today 18th Jan 2006
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This could have been so iconic.

i just got back from christchurch, a city of 400,000, and even their art museum looks more iconic then this one

Too bad it looks like a poo.

lol... a simple and elegant critique.

I'm not sure the size counts when it comes to the quality of art galleries. The images have a certain composure to them. Hope the roof stays in Brisbane during a cyclone.

LMFAO


Imagine that flying thru the air.

Its not a bad building. Could have been far more Iconic though, no arguements there.

Well originally I made no secret of the fact that I wasnt that impressed with the design due to the whole lack of iconic status thing, but I have to say, the more I see it the more I like this building, could just be that I drive past it everyday, but Im really liking this building more and more all the time.

yeah but nothing thats going to be exactly eye catching to the out of towner is it? the only reason people in Brisbane will notice it is because they are obsessive skyscraper freaks or because they havent seen a over grown garden shed in such a prominent spot before.

The only thing i find inspiring about it is the massive roof overhangs.

Erm, that's the reason why I think it looks bad IMO lol

isnt it supposed to represent the overhanging eve's of the typical queenslander house?

Wait till it's finished before passing judgement. I think it will be nice. I'm also looking forward to the Pauls milk factory across the road to sell out and make way for something residential...

isnt it supposed to represent the overhanging eve's of the typical queenslander house?
Well sort of - more Modern Queensland Architecture.

I'd like to see something along the lines of that Gallery in Toronto, or the L.A. Orchestra building.

Something unique.

They have started cladding the wall on the Grey St side of the building (4th pic above), it still have the protective film over the top so I can tell what colour it is although I think they will be black. Its quite different too, it looks like a brick pattern.

I think this is going to end up quite an attractive building. In terms of a MODERN art gallery, I personally think they should have chosen a more... well modern design (like that one that was blue and stripy and was all oddly shaped). But in relation to the other arts venues along south bank, it will still look unique, but won't stand out like a wart on a dick...

The art gallery design is a perfect example of decision by committee. Such a process usually ends up with the lowest common denominator and the least interesting design.


There is one famous exception to this: Sydney Opera House

Windows have been installed on the Western Corner.

Crane was taken down yesterday.

The art gallery design is a perfect example of decision by committee. Such a process usually ends up with the lowest common denominator and the least interesting design.


There is one famous exception to this: Sydney Opera House


Yes well the Sydney opera house project was a political disaster! I think it was a big lesson for any state government in Australia since. To tell you the truth even the design we got was suprisingly good for the QGMA, at least its a little bit unique..

Some pics from today

The roof...
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From the north:
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From William Jolly:
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Its coming along pretty quickly... And not actually lookin too shabby... I'm beginning to think this may actually be a pretty good building... Not as daring as one would prbably like for a modern art gallery... But in its own right I think she's turning out ok...

Yay at last some pics!!! I have been meaning to take them but my camera isnt working properly.

Couple from today
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This one is moving along quite nicely now!!! The south wall is almost completely clad in the black cladding and about half the glass has been installed on the middle wall. The Western Side is well and truly underway with glass going up all over the place. The eastern side also has alot of glass (opaque) that has been installed, Cant see the river side from the WJ Bridge or Grey St so not sure where its up to.

Keep your eyes out for the new Nissan Navara TV commercial as the first scene is an awesome shot with QGMA under construction filling the entire background.

^^ i think the ad for the maxima has the base of riparian in it. the backgrounds are just edited

yeah i saw the navara add, and the building actually looked pretty dam good

This building is coming along EXTREMELY well! i love the black exterior mixed with the use of glass...

ALSO, Nissan had another ad in front of Riparian!! It actually makes it look really nice! It's the Murano one..

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same old same old...

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Nice photos, looks very modern which is what we want seeing as how it's modern art.

I really like this building. It has its knockers on here but I think the design will age gracefully. Can't wait to get up to Brizzy for a squizz when its finished.

after walking up this way to take photos, you realise how little pedestrian traffic there actually is up this end... obviously traffic will go up when this is open... but there still needs to be a reason to continue in that direction on foot... ie the proposed ped bridge is needed in my opinion

also... (afterthought) that roof looks pretty flimsy... i can imagine it taking off down the river if we get a cyclone too far down south.

Update Pics.

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I am really liking the finnish on QGMA, Im not yet convinced on the library, you can see in Brissy4me's first pic the panels along the top of the building. At the moment they look pretty shite and I am really hoping that they are not a precursor to what is going to happen to the whole back wall.

read in the paper that they've closed down the exisiting gallery so they can crate up and move all the selected art thats changing homes to the new gallery. should be opening in the next month or two i say.

The new gallery will open with the Asia–Pacific Triennial, which I remember reading starts in early December.

which ones which..?

read in the paper that they've closed down the exisiting gallery so they can crate up and move all the selected art thats changing homes to the new gallery. should be opening in the next month or two i say.

They're also building a new "Robin Gibson designed entrance".

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I'm glad Robin Gibson has been able to work on his own designs here. It's a shame what has happened to the library though with the Donovan-Hill addition. On the whole I like it but what the hell is that "lean to" on the roof?? It looks like garden shed only without 4 walls! I always notice it and think what a shame as it detracts from the rest of the building with its ugliness and cheapness.

Well I like it...

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HIT or miss ... the Gallery of Modern Art. Picture: Vanessa Hunter

Thrashing for artistic pet

By Sandra McLean
September 07, 2006 12:00am
Article from: The Courier-Mail

THE state Opposition has accused the Government's pet project, the Gallery of Modern Art, of becoming a $100 million white elephant.
Launching the Opposition arts policy, Shadow arts minister Stuart Copeland said he had received concerns from members of the arts community that GOMA, due to open on December 1, would not have enough content to fill it.

Mr Copeland said he was also concerned with reports that the gallery had not programmed any future exhibitions to fill GOMA when the first show, the Asia-Pacific Triennial, closes in June, 2007.

"It is all very well to have a great big building but unless you have content to go in it, what's the point?" Mr Copeland said. "Without content it will be a white elephant.

"This should have been looked at along with the planning of the building. It's too late to scratch around now."

A spokeswoman for Arts Minister Rod Welford rejected the criticism, saying the Government had been funding a program of major acquisitions ahead of the opening of GOMA.

She said there were now more than 5500 works.

When it is completed GOMA will be the biggest gallery of modern art in Australia with 24,000sq m of floor space. This compares to the existing Queensland Art Gallery which is 18,000sq m.

Mr Copeland said his government did not have a problem with building infrastructure for the arts, however it was concerned GOMA would not be able to deliver on its promise.

He said he was also concerned that the gallery had not programmed beyond the APT which will run for six months - two months longer than usual.

Mr Doug Hall, director of the Queensland Art Gallery, is overseas and unavailable for comment. Last month he said there were plans for GOMA to show an Andy Warhol survey in 2007 but no other shows have been named for GOMA's first year.

Mr Michel Sourgnes, a head curator at the Queensland Art Gallery for 10 years from 1984 to 1994, agreed GOMA would become a 'white elephant'.

"We have not heard a proper policy from the gallery about the direction of the gallery, what sort of work they will be showing and what they will be acquiring," said Mr Sourgnes.

"It is normal practice for a gallery like this to have a public policy on what they are doing especially when it comes to collecting however we are yet to hear it. It will become a white elephant because of a lack of direction."

Mr Copeland said his Coalition arts policy supported GOMA however he did not want such major projects to operate at the expense of delivering arts across Queensland.

As part of its arts policy, Mr Copeland said the Coalition would review Arts Queensland, set up a triennial arts festival for the Pacific Rim, review the grants program, start a fund to promote the arts statewide, establish a national opera studio and seek to send the Queensland Theatre Company to visit Asian centres.

I don't like the exterior relative to what it could have been, but I know I will the like the interior and the collections.

SoulVision....I was referring to the Library not the GOMA. I think the GOMA is great!
The garden shed on the roof of the library extension is something else though.

^^ ohhh, i wasn't referring to your comment i was referring to the article... :cheers:

there were plans for GOMA to show an Andy Warhol survey in 2007

What is an "Andy Warhol Survey"? It would be very cool to have some Andy Warhol next year.

If there is not enough art to fill the GOMA it can just be called "minimalist".

Hmm, the building is nice, but the architectural qualities of a building should reflect the purpose for which it was designed and built. This building, while modern does not convey to me the qualities I would expect of a Modern Art Gallery. It could easily be confused as being a modern office building. Of all the buildings that could ever be built in a western city, a Modern Art Gallery is the one building where you could get away with the most adventurous design. In my opinion, i think the exterior is too conservative and this is an opportunity lost for the people of Queensland. I cant wait to see the interior however. I hope they go for an Ian Potter Gallery or similar interior.

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While the building is certainly modern and interesting, I agree with your statement "a Modern Art Gallery is the one building where you could get away with the most adventurous design"

They could have basically let their imaginations run loose and it would be justified.

oh well

Yeah I agree - when open - sure it will be "nice" and "pretty" and an improvement to the area. And when standing under the roof overhang I'll probably even look up and go "yeah, now that's a roof" but at the end of the day, it has no international wow factor or major differentiation. If you didn't know it was there or what it was, from the express way you'd just be like "yeah, there's a big new shed on the otherside of the river". There were some more daring designs in the shortlisting, but even they didn't get my pulse racing... when will Brisbane's balls drop? :-(

To tell you the truth, I thought I would be crucified for making my above comments, so am glad to see some like minded opinions. Queensland is coming out with some stunning architectural specimens, this should have been a jewel in the crown.

^^ Yeah it could have been more adventurous. People aren't looking at it and saying "WHAT IS THAT? It's UGLY!" like they are with Brisbane Square for example. If only it was that striking that it caused such emotion. Nonetheless, it's not bad! It looks pretty fantastic from the river, and I like the steps towards modernity from the old Gallery, to the semi-renovated State Library, to the brand new Modern Art Gallery (I am not 100% sure on the building names).

They should have got Frank Gehry to design it... :)

They should have got Frank Gehry to design it... :)

He had his chance, this was an open international competition

^^ Haha, really? I didn't know that. And didnt Donovan Hill end up designing it? The good ol' local architect. If this is so, goes to show how little Brisbane wanted an iconic structure, otherwise surely they would have advertised the competition amoung architects.

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they did advertise the competition internationally.

How do you know? I know the competition was open to international entrants. But how do you know it was actually advertised amongst respectable architectural rings?

^
Whether the "advertised amongst respectable architectural rings" I couldn't say, but since there were many international submissions - over 50 of them - they must have advertised somewhere. 3 of the 5 shortlisted designs had an international firm involved.

By the way, Donovan Hill designed the library upgrade but are not involved with the GOMA.

They should have gone with the 'cloud' design. I'm not sure who the architects were but i know it wasn't LAB or Architectus leaving the following

Durbach Block + Bligh Voller Nield
Benson & Forsyth + Peddle Thorp
Massimiliano Fuksas Architetto + Hassell

From memory it looked spectacular and a had a huge 'wow' factor. I think that they went against selecting 'the cloud' design as they considered it too difficult to build.

Anyone got pics of what i'm talking about?

i've never seen the failed entrants designs :( they didnt post them on the site unfortunately

They should have gone with the 'cloud' design. I'm not sure who the architects were but i know it wasn't LAB or Architectus leaving the following

Durbach Block + Bligh Voller Nield
Benson & Forsyth + Peddle Thorp
Massimiliano Fuksas Architetto + Hassell

From memory it looked spectacular and a had a huge 'wow' factor. I think that they went against selecting 'the cloud' design as they considered it too difficult to build.

Anyone got pics of what i'm talking about?

Yep. Architects were Fuskas + Hassell.
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And the others for those who haven't seen them:
LAB, B+N Group(now NH Architecture) & Bligh Voller Nield's 'Prism'
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Durbach Block and BVN
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Benson & Forsyth and Peddle Thorp
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I'm not keen on the Benson & Forsyth or Durbach Block proposals but the LAB and Fuskas designs are better than what is currently being built.

i think the current design is the best after seeing the alternatives... I think everything is still on track for a December 2 opening aswell. woot!

.....^^ are you kidding! lol. IMHO, all four of those design's posted by Archibomber look better then what we have now (except maybe the last one).

has anybody been to the trade fair pavilion that fuksas design in italy, i wonder would that kind of terrain type of facade been used on their proposal. if so then i guess it wouldnt have been practical to build that in brisbane climate

I'm not keen on the Benson & Forsyth or Durbach Block proposals but the LAB and Fuskas designs are better than what is currently being built.

True.
I think most people regard the design being built as the bronze winner.
Mr Beattie wanted a "Queenslander" though,....complete with a "verandah" and thats what he chose.
Just goes to show that politicians or their partisan apointees shouldn't get to decide these things.

^^ Looks more like a giant Japanese hut...lol

Just goes to show that politicians or their partisan apointees shouldn't get to decide these things.

To my knowledge it was an independant commitee including architects, lacking government representative - hardly partisan.

But for that matter, who should decide? the public? :|

To my knowledge it was an independant commitee including architects, lacking government representative - hardly partisan.

But for that matter, who should decide? the public? :|

The independent committee recommended the fuskas design. Then the Arts minister made the final decision

i think we've ended up with a great design, perhaps people should wait till the place is open and have a look inside before totally dissing it.

The independent committee recommended the fuskas design. Then the Arts minister made the final decision

Where did you get this information from?

i think we've ended up with a great design, perhaps people should wait till the place is open and have a look inside before totally dissing it.
Danubis, I have no doubt, the interior will look great and house a fantastic art collection, but that doesn't mean we should hold back from paying out on a shitty, cheap exterior design, which will in no one whatsoever be iconic.

Where did you get this information from?

The company i work for, submitted a design back in 2001 ( i was on the submission team). When the results were announced, my boss told our team that this is how the decision had been made. He has good contacts in the QLD government

Fuskas should have won that, not the Titan shed we got, but anyway, spilt milk now isn't it.

Well at least it matches the other big Titan shed over the otherside of the river (Suncorp Stadium) ***insert cringe***...

It's not bad guys, but... now seeing the options for the first time i must say Brisbane went the medicore way once again.

any new pics?

any new pics?

I walked past the other day but didn't grab any new pics sorry. There was some kind of big BBQ celebration going on for all the workers and about 70 people who had just had a tour. End of construction perhaps? The landscaping has been completed on the eastern and river sides.

As a designer, I too was hoping for something a little bit bolder. But after seeing it up close it is quite a nice building. Conservative yes, but still a good addition to Brisbane in my opinion.

The sign out the front says it will be opening on 2nd December. Wouldn't mind having a peek!!

Taken this morning.

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^^Very nice.

Only three more weeks!

I must say even though the extension of the library does cover up some of the beautiful brutalism, it's not too bad. The green glass and red work well together IMO.

The Gallery of Modern Art looks good but the Library refurbishment looks horrible.

^^ I'd agree with that comment.

^^I think the refurbishment could have been a lot worse, but a lot better as well.

Agree with all your comments. We need close up pics of the GOMA building and landscape, it is a really nice piece of work. Pitty it's a white elephant.

How is it a white elephant??? I didn't think it was even open yet/or been opened for less than a month?

No it doesn't open until December 2nd with the APT (http://asiapacifictriennial.com/).

^ Yeah exactly my point - so Brissy4me how is it a white elephant?

they said the southbank beach would be a white elephant aswell.

Well I went to Sydney recently and saw their GOMA, it was nothing special and appeared to struggle looking for exhibitions. I think Brisbane will be the same after the grand opening. And someone mentioned earlier on this thread that this thing would be a white elephant. I hope I'm wrong though.

Well I went to Sydney recently and saw their GOMA, it was nothing special and appeared to struggle looking for exhibitions. I think Brisbane will be the same after the grand opening. And someone mentioned earlier on this thread that this thing would be a white elephant. I hope I'm wrong though.

Last time I went to the MCA in Sydney it was not a white elephant

I agree with Zach: the MCA is no white elephant, and nor will Brisbane's GOMA. If you read the Australian, you would have heard that the MCA has had improving crowds for the last few years. When I last visited it seemed to be well utilised, both by the art available and number of people wondering about.

I think GOMA has the potential to be superior to the MCA. I heard once the GOMA is completed it will be the largest gallery in Australia. Is this true?

^^ True ;)

Having said all of this, do you all agree with the proposed tank st bridge?

^^ Yes! why wouldn't you! its a pedestrian bridge that links the CBD to SB... furthermore reducing car dependencies and increasing exercise in the would community.

mmmm. yeah and no. I think it'll be good eventually, bu in the next 5 years? I think it may be a bit over kill.... With victoria and goodwill already...? GOMA is only a few minutes walk from victoria. Why not just make jolly more ped accessable...

^^ Because who wants to walk to the NorthQuarter? theres not exactly anything there... What I think they should do is build the new ped bridge but close down the vic pedestrian lane so that tourists and residents don't have to walk across while getting a mouth full of smoke from trucks and buses...

The main advantage of the Tank Street bridge is that it will open up the "North Quarter" of the CBD a lot more...and once again we are a river city, so crossings make good sense. It should also interact well with the Gallery of Modern Art.

Whos been? Goma was amazing! I was so impressed! ill post some pics when i can be bothered...

There's a good few pages on GOMA in the latest issue of Monument, it's a good read.

I went there yesterday, but only for a very short while because I was tired, but I will venture back again very soon.

Overall, the interior is bloody amazing. The word that comes to mind when I first walked in was colossal! Lots of light and it's spacious. The forecourt/plaza area is great too, especially with all the entertainent they had. I'm still not a fan of the exterior though, simply because the other design choices were so superior, but it's still a very high quality finish which is great.

ANYONE GOT ANY PICS PRETTY PLEASE?

I saw the new building on saturday and was quite impressed. As had already been stated it's very large but it quite full...in fact I was extremely impressed not only with the quality of works on display for the APT5, but also the fact that many of them have been purchased. They could probably do with a bit more stuff in the rooms overlooking the river though.

The new entrace to the old gallery is great, and the rehang has made the gallery a lot more.....flowing?

I however, didn't like the plaza (or whatever they want to call it) between the library, old and new galleries. It seems really empty, few trees, low to the ground plants. That a shade structure will be designed to complement the plaza i'm happy with, and hopefully Robin Gibson will do a good job.

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something on 10 news tonight about another 100 million dollar project in arts precienct...

okily, they said they're extending the convention centre... it looked pretty cool

was there a render? is it going in that small piece of land down from south brisbane station?

^^ yup there was a render in the news report, it looked quite high aswell. lots of glass.

ANYONE GOT ANY PICS PRETTY PLEASE?Well I was just going through some photos I took in May and I thought I'd post these for the archives. Click to enlarge:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3489/3719392870_3ed5aabd9f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29289211@N05/3719392870/sizes/o/in/set-72157618811843486/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3463/3719393840_cbb1891f40.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29289211@N05/3719393840/sizes/o/in/set-72157618811843486/)