well i guess i'm the only person on this forum, but i think the new design is glorious, far better than calatravas effort. I like the exoskeleton design, it's simple and boxy whilst being very interesting. It almost pays homage to the WTC with this design. Tall and square is what american skyscrapers should be, doesn't mean they can't look good!

I like it, looks awesome!!

Its unique and I like it :)

OH NO YOU DI-ENT'

yeah, i definitely went there :lol:

Ok finally some news. I guess it will be a much taller but different building though. We'll see.


From the NYPOST...

Frank Sciame purchased an additional 110,000 feet of air rights for the 80 South Street parcel along the East River.

The additional air power will bring the project, once slated for a Santiago Calatrava-designed townhouse cube tower, to 300,000 feet.

"It opens up a lot of possibilities," Sciame said, excited at the prospect. "We're considering developing it ourselves and have some international interest. We believe in the site and it makes it a much more viable building."

That's because it could have a much larger base more suited to a hotel, for instance.

"We have views now protected to the north, south and the East River," Sciame added.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08062008/business/green_bldg__for_green_eye_shade_123258.htm

According to Wikipedia:
Although 80 South Street has been approved by the city, the project was later canceled in April 2008. The building did not sell any one of its 10 multi-million dollar residential cubes.

The additional air power will bring the project, once slated for a Santiago Calatrava-designed townhouse cube tower, to 300,000 feet.

New worlds tallest building?:clown:

I kid.


Still though, this project essentially just got half-again bigger. Should be interesting to see what Sciame comes up with to use the added air rights.

Holy c*** I never noticed this tower was never built

Waste of space though, but no one knows it may get built again.

And fish^^ last time I drew quote from wikipedia half of this website swore at me.

And fish^^ last time I drew quote from wikipedia half of this website swore at me.

I tried to reply earlier, but this website just froze. :dunno:

Yeah, citing Wikipedia here is like taking a high school natural science textbook to a supercollider and showing it to the nuclear scientists on duty. :-)

Yeah, citing Wikipedia here is like taking a high school natural science textbook to a supercollider and showing it to the nuclear scientists on duty. :-)

It's more like just being pointless because half the people who edit the relevant articles on Wikipedia are already on SSC, hence there's nothing new to learn.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7805/x000873810687474703a2f2jo7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/7628/x000873810687474703a2f2at2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ now id like to see that!

^^ Nice render! :okay:

It's great to see that a 80 South Street tower is far from dead and may still have an amazing design.

With a tower like that and increased developement in the local area, the chances of it getting done are much higher than before.

The new design looks much better. At least a bit more unique. How come the status on the thread title is on Never Built?

Better then what the last one. Now that funny this design is plan as hell. I could care less about this thing I hope it dies slow.

Oooo, i like it a lot! very nice!

^^ Yeh, I prefer this design over the original. :okay:

This is much better than that absolutely horrid original design, I'm eager to see more renders.

The new design looks much better. At least a bit more unique. How come the status on the thread title is on Never Built?

because the old tower has been cancelled. but i think we can change the title back to PRO for now. and maybe the name to "Waterfront Tower"?

I like the new design, it is very slender. I am not sure if this is still a supertall though. :)

Since this has 57 stories it's definitely not a supertall. Moved it to highrises

10x better.

Looks awesome!!!!!:okay:^^

who wants to live in a multi-million dollar cube? honestly, we're in the 21st century, it better be a sphere, prism, or at the very least a large spheroid plinth. with mood lighting

lol actually i would have LOVED to own a "cube" that was on 80 SS

Great, the original design was kind of awful.
This one's better.

I hope Wikipedia is updated because this project is listed as Cancelled.

glad to see the project alive! But i hope for a redesign - can't stand towers where as it goes up it gets more cluttered

It looks great. I'd like to see more renders to get a better look at the crown.

Here is the only authentic resource I found: 80 South Street (http://www.80southstreet.net/index.htm).
:banana:

i thought this project was dead a long time ago ?

^^ Only Calatravas proposal. This project is still very much alive.

The building that refuses to die...hasn't!

The Downtown Express reports: "Santiago Calatrava’s stacked townhouse cubes may not have come tumbling down after all. Despite reports earlier this year that Seaport developer Frank Sciame was looking to unload the 80 South St. property — and dump Calatrava’s acclaimed tower idea of staggered condo cubes — the situation is actually quite the opposite. 'It's very much alive and active,' Sciame told UnderCover this week."

Downtown Express

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_277/undercover.html

Wow that pic one page ago. I like it!

that would be a really unique building... that would change nyc skyline ... but the place i dont really think that is a nice place to live.. maybe if that building was a commercial one..
or if this building was constructed next to the central park... Lincoln square...
maybe that would help the buyers to come ....

^^^^ so do you have any info or you just writing to pass the time? Not trying to be mean just asking.

both.. i do get some informations in here, i do read some others places and share my knows with others.. and i pass my time in here sometimes..

i've been to ny in february i that is my view of that area.. i liked those buildings.. and i guess to work in that area should be great, but i'm not sure about living... that is why i said that..

sorry if i'm wrong, or something like that.. but that is what i thought about it

Why doesn't this project just die already?

the old plan is dead but the new one not ^^

the new one is boring as hell. But I don't see anything happen here at all.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7999/untitled1fo1.jpg

Tame and Handsome! Looks great IMO.

Ooooo, very nice! :cheers:

Should I say what I think of this compared to the original Calavrata design or should I just shut up?

feel free and tell us :). i like it, not as special as the old one but still nice

Yeah it doesn't look too bad. Looks like it might be between 650-750 feet, IMO.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7999/untitled1fo1.jpg

Gorgeous Building. Hopefully it gets erected

800-1000 feet. the neigboring building is like 650 feet so i reckon 800-1000

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7999/untitled1fo1.jpg

the new rendering of the design looks a little plain, I liked the original rendering with the cubic windows that were laid out like bricks

It looks awesome and it's realy going to change the face of New York.

hmm, has anyone mentioned the architect of the new proposal? i think not (:

does anyone know?

too bad the calatrava version was cancelled... it would have been a milestone in contemporary architecture, not necessarily by its design (though that as well, of course) but more so by its unique concept... i hope after the bad times are gone some big businessman / developer proposes a new site for the project, or at least something similar in type (:

It looks awesome and it's realy going to change the face of New York.

^^ its has a prominent location indeed.

its on hold???

this one is dead.

This dead quit bumping threads

If this is really dead, why is it even part of this thread then?! I'm so disappointed! I thought something came up and it was back on track...
Don't we have a 'dead project' section somewhere?

The South Street Seaport is a historic area in the New York City borough of Manhattan, located where Fulton Street meets the East River, and adjacent to the ...

If this is really dead, why is it even part of this thread then?! I'm so disappointed! I thought something came up and it was back on track...
Don't we have a 'dead project' section somewhere?

Something magnificent will rise here though maybe not this. This is a very valuable site.

Calatrava project is inspired by Frank LLoyd Wright's pole lamps at Midway Gardens, Chicago.

(Already demolished, but you can find many books with them...)

GGP exiting bankruptcy: Will South Street Seaport plans move forward?

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20101021/REAL_ESTATE/101029965

^^ Thanks a lot for that link mate. I'm still secretly hoping for the Calatrava tower to be brought back to life... Unlikely, I know. :ohno:

(PS: you have the second coolest avatar available on here! Metropolis edges it just slightly though :P)

^^ Thanks a lot for that link mate. I'm still secretly hope for the Calatrava tower to be brought back to life... Unlikely, I know. :ohno:

(PS: you have the second coolest avatar available on here! Metropolis edges it just slightly though :P)

Thanks! ...but I'm not sure if the Calatrava proposal will ever see the light of day again. The General Growth Properties proposal was for a tower at South Street Seaport which would have anchored a large hotel/retail/entertainment complex at pier 17 possibly involving the transfer of air rights from 80 South St. (correct me if I'm wrong). The key stumbling block for the Calatrava design was being able to secure financing for a development that requires units selling for upwards of $30 million each. In Lower Manhattan. During a global economic slowdown. Pre-sales were poor and the concept was scrapped in favor of a design with more conventional floorplates and lower costs. But we'll see what happens, nothing would be better than to see someone figure out how to revive that Calatrava tower! :cheers:

^^ Again, I couldn't agree more! But you've said it right there: such a design in Lower Manhattan... Not a chance. I just don't see it happening, with or without a credit crunch for that matter. On the Upper East Side they could pull it off I guess.
Anyway... Glad to see someone else (a lot wealthier) than just you and me seem to have some interest for that lot ;)

I am confuse, is it looks good after finish. i don't thing so. nice design but i thinks it looks good only in paper not real. let's see. no cool design unique design, i think it's not like corporate building. over all good design and planning.