WARSAW
The first fortified settlements on the site of today's Warsaw were Bródno (9th/10th century) and Jazdów (12th/13th century). After Jazdów was raided, a new similar settlement was established on the site of a small fishing village called Warszowa
City Rights turn of the 13th century

In the beginning of the 14th century it became one of the seats of the Dukes of Masovia, becoming the capital of Masovia in 1413 .
IN 1596 Warsaw Capital-The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth -Poland expanded its borders to become the largest country in Europe
* XV w.: 6 000
* XVIw.: 15 000/25000
* 1600-1648 20 000 -45 000
* 1656.: 30 000 war with Sweden war with Russia wars with the Ottoman Turks
* 1659 6000
* 1669 14500
* 1700: 21000
* 1760: 30000
* 1792: 120 000- war with Prussian and Russia
* 1800: 63 000
* 1830: 139 000
* 1850: 163 000
* 1882: 383 000
* 1900: 686 000
1914---------------- I WW
* 1925: 1 003 000
* 1939: 1 350 000 -II Seond World WAR war witch Germans
* 1941: 1 286 000 Occupation
* 1942: 1 027 000 Occupation
* 1943: 956 000--Warsaw Ghetto Uprising:from 1027000 to 956000
* 1944: 162 000 Warsaw Uprising1 VIII44 / 950 000 in VIII44 to 162 000 in XII1944
* 1945: 422 000 Liberation
* 1950: 803,800
* 1956: 1 000 000
* 1960: 1 139 200
* 1970: 1 315 600
* 1975: 1 436 100
* 1980: 1 596 100
* 1990: 1 611 800
* 1998: 1 650 000
* 2003: 1 689 600 (dane z 31 grudnia)
* 2005: 1 695 000 (dane z 30 czerwca)
* 2006: 1 703 300 (dane z 30 września)




Population
City 1 703 300 516.9 km² (199.6 sq mi)
Urban Area 2 132 489 876,43 km²
Metro area 3,050,000
Metro Density 3,258/km²

by officia estimates while some much higher unofficial estimates are often published is about 3 000 000 in City and Urban (information from Warsaw Transport Authority,Central Statistical Office).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_demography_of_Poland

Warsaw has very colored and brave history :cheers:

Great city, pity city suffered so much in past.

City of Belgrade, Serbia


Century highest Population

69 A.D. 10,000
1284 25,000
1453 75,000
1541 85,000
1683 100,000
1737 45,000
1899 75,000
1921 180,000
1929 239,000
1939 365,000
1941 400,000
1953 700,000
1961 1,000,000
1973 1,200,000
1980 1,400,000
1989 1,783,000
2003 1,717,000

Current estimate - ~2 million

Hero City of Minsk, Belarus


Population growth
Year Population
1450 5 000
1654 10 000
1667 2 000
1790 7 000
1811 11 000
1813 3 500
1860 27 000
1897* 91 500
1917* 134 500
1941 300 000
1944 50 000
1959* 509 500
1970* 907 100
Year Population
1972 1 000 000
1979* 1 276 000
1986 1 500 000
1989* 1 607 000
1999* 1 680 000
2006 1 780 000

PARIS

he Romans crushed the rebels at nearby Melun and took control of the entire region. By the end of the same century, Paris' Île de la Cité and Left Bank Sainte Geneviève Hill became the centre of a new Roman settlement called Lutetia.
Lutetia was renamed Paris in 212Ad.
AD
510

30,000

1000

20,000

1200

110,000


1328

250,000 Plague

1500

200,000

1550

275,000

1594 Religion Wars

210,000

1634

420,000

1700

515,000

1750

565,000


1789

630,000
Revolution

1801

546,856


1811

622,636

1831 Urban area 1000 000

785,862


1836

899,313

1846 Urban area 1220 000

1,053,897


1861 Urban area 2 000 000

1,696,141


1891 Urban area 3 200 000

2,447,957


1911

2,888,110 CITY

4,500,000 Urban Area

1936

2,829,753

6,000,000


1946

2,725,374

5,850,000


1954

2,850,189

6,436,296


1968

2,590,771

8,196,746

1975

2,299,830

8,549,898


1982

2,176,243

8,706,963


1999

2,125,246

9,644,507


2005

2,153,600 City

ca. 10.1 million Urban Area

ca. 11.6 million Metropolitan area


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Paris

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/18/Paris_historical_population_1.png/800px-Paris_historical_population_1.png

Where do you get these statistics from?

wikipedia?
I'll make a visit to the Kaspichan page soon :D

Sofia from wiki

Historical populations
Census Pop. %±
1887 20856 -
1892 30928 +48.3%
1900 46593 +50.6%
1920 154025 +230%
1946 530168 +244%
2001 1177577 +122%
2006 1203680 +2.2%
2007 1,270,450

Varna

Year Population
1852 16,000
1878 24,555
1887 24,830
1896 33,687
1910 41,419
1920 50,810
1926 60,536
1946 76,954
1956 120,345
1965 180,110
1975 251,654
1982 295,038
1990 314,913
2007 357,752

numbers for Warsaw are really crap!

Łódź:20-05-2002(789318),30-06-2006(764168),19-10-2007(720762)

Lodz:
1534 650
1777 265
1793 250
1796 191
1800 428
1821 1 855
1850 15 764
1865 40 121
1872 100 000
1886 232 000
1900 314 020
1914 506 000
1918 341 800
1921 452 000
1939 672 000
1946 496 929
1960 709 698
1970 762 699
1980 835 658
1990 848 258
1999 800 110
20-05-2002(789318),30-06-2006(764168),
19-10-2007(720762)
Urban Area - 900 000 (Lodz, Pabianice, Zgierz,Aleksandrow Lodzki,Konsatynow Lodzki)

Poznan

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludno%C5%9B%C4%87_Poznania

1600 20 000
1653 21 000
1709 12 000
1732 4000
1733 6000
1794 12 534
1796 16 124
1824 22 000
1870 54400
1900 110000
1939 275000
1946 268000
1960 408100
1975 516000
1990 590000
2000 571600
2004 570778

wow, Sofia was really small until recently. Quite a growth

this is all I got on Skopje altough the city is around 2300 old

17th century around 60,000
mid 19th century 10,000
1905 32,000
1963 160,000
2005 around 560,000 oficially even though the number is higher, I'd speculate ~800k but it might be more it might be less than that but it's in that area

Historical population of Bucharest

Year Population
1789 30,030
1831 60,587
1859 122,000
1900 282,000
1918 383,000
1930 639,000
Jan. 25, 1948 census 1,041,807
February 21, 1956 census 1,177,661
Mar. 15, 1966 census 1,366,684
Jan. 5, 1977 census 1,807,239
July 1, 1990 estimate 2,127,194
Jan. 7, 1992 census 2,067,545
Mar. 18, 2002 census 1,926,334
July 1, 2005 estimate 1,924,959
Jan. 1, 2006 estimate 1,930,390
July 11, 2007 estimate 1,940,500

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucharest

^^ hey nebunul i thought Bucurest is bigger ... something like 3 mil.

^^

me too. And why did it shrink? Decrease of population or changing of the city limits?

^^ hey nebunul i thought Bucurest is bigger ... something like 3 mil.

According to January 2006 official estimates, Bucharest has a population of 1,930,390 (2007 estimate 1,940,500). The urban area extends beyond the limits of Bucharest and has a population of 2.1 million people.Adding the satellite towns around the urban area, the metropolitan area of Bucharest has a population of 2.6 million people. Bucharest is the 6th largest city in the European Union by population within city limits.

source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucharest

So who is the biggest city on the Balkans considering city proper populations only? Istanbul, Athens or Bucharest?

Wroclaw:
The city was first recorded in the 10th century as Vratislavia, possibly derived from the name of the Bohemian duke Vratislav I, who died in 921.
The history of the city of Wroclaw begins at the end of the 10th century. At this time the city bears the name of Vratislavia and is limited to Ostrów Tumski (the Cathedral Island). In the year 1000 king Boleslaw I of Poland establishes the first bishopric of Silesia.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludno%C5%9B%C4%87_Wroc%C5%82awia
1242 12000 in Poland
1300 14000
1400 21000 in Czech
1525 22000
1579 34200 in Habsburg Empire
1700 40000
1750 51000 in Prussia
1849 111000
1851 121000
1900 422.709 in Germany
1933 625.198
1946 - 170 656 in Poland
1950 - 308 925
1964 - 469 400
1968 - 512 200
1979 - 609 100
1987 - 640 193
2006 - 634 630

Krakow
There is archaeological evidence suggesting that a settlement had been established on the present site of the Wawel Hill in the Stone Age. A legend attributes its founding to the mythical ruler Krakus, who built it above a cave occupied by a ravenous dragon, Smok Wawelski.The first written record of the city's name dates back to 966, when a Sephardi Jewish traveller, Abraham ben Jacob described Kraków as a notable commercial centre.

1300 14000
1400 18000
1500 22000
1600 26000
1700 30000
1798 24500
1850 42000
1939 - 259 000
1950 - 343 638
1961 - 490 000
1970 - 589 500
1978 - 693 200
1988 - 746 440
2006 - 756 267

So who is the biggest city on the Balkans considering city proper populations only? Istanbul, Athens or Bucharest?

Istanbul of course ... they are competing with Mexico City, NY and Tokio for the world biggest title i think :)

So who is the biggest city on the Balkans considering city proper populations only? Istanbul, Athens or Bucharest?

Greek cities are very (unrealisticly) small if we look at city proper populations. The only objective way to look at them is the metro area. Same goes for the others actually, but the the difference in the Greek case Metro:proper is just off the charts.

Largest cities of the European Union by population within city limits

100 most populous cities within administrative city limits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_cities_of_the_European_Union_by_population_within_city_limits
1. London, United Kingdom 7,512,400 2006-07-01 1 July 2006 (official)
2. Berlin, Germany 3,406,000 2007-04-30 30 April 2007 (official)
3. Madrid, Spain 3,187,062 02007-01-01 1 January 2007 (official)
4. Rome, Italy 2,705,603 02006-12-31 31 December 2006 (official)
5. Paris, France 2,153,600 02005-01-01 1 January 2005 (official)
6. Bucharest, Romania 1,940,500 02007-01-01 1 January 2007 (official)
7. Hamburg, Germany 1,757,030 02007-03-31 31 March 2007 (official)
8. Warsaw, Poland 1,703,198 02007-03-31 31 March 2007 (official)
9.Budapest, Hungary 1,696,128 02007-01-01 1 January 2007 (official)
10. Vienna, Austria 1,670,347 02007-07-01 1 July 2007 (official)

Wow!:)

According to this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_cities_of_the_European_Union_by_population_within_city_limits

Sofia is the 14-th largest city of the European Union by population within city limits.

Many people speculate that Sofia is over 2 or even 3 mln. people. In my opinion It`s about 1,8 mln. inh.




My home town Stara Zagora, which is the 6-th largest city in Bulgaria is about 180 000 inh. Here is the statistics from wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stara_Zagora

Year Population

1875 23,000
1884 15,500 /Decrease, because of battle with turks/
1913 27,000
1934 34,000
1940 40,000
1956 56,000
1965 87,000
1968 100,000
1975 122,000
1985 157,000
1992 162,000
2002 164,000


:)

^^

Skopje would be 48 in the list if inserted :). OK few places down if we also insert Belgrade, Zagreb and maybe few others. But seriosly city proper populations are a joke. Athens 745,514 :crazy:

this would be a more realistic list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larger_Urban_Zones_%28LUZ%29_in_the_European_Union

The statistics is shed!

I used to live in Liverpool and in Sofia, but believe me Sofia is many times / in my opinion more than 3 times/ larger as population and surface of the urban area.

ok ok-but this list is cities within administrative city limits


Historical population of Istanbul
11,008,790 (2007)
http://www.arch.columbia.edu/Studio/Spring2002/UP/Istanbul/istanbul/istanbul.htm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/Istanbul_population_in_Logs.png

Sarajevo

1879. 21,377
1885. 26,268
1895. 38,083
1910. 51,919
1921. 66,317
1931. 78,173
1941. 92,148(estimate)
1948. 111,087
1971. 359,448
1981. 448,519
1991. 527,049

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Vienna-inhabitants.gif

Vienna - one of the biggest cities on earth in 1910 :cheers:

Sofia is definitely not over 2m. nothing more than a myth.

Prague- Czech Republic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Prague
1230 4,000
1370 40,000
1600 60,000
1804 76,000
1837 105,500
1850 118,000
1880 162,000
1900 201,600
1925 718,300
1950 931,500
1980 1,182,800
2004 1,170,571

City:1,198,094 (2007-06-30)- 496km2
Metro: 1,941,803 2,392 /km²

Bratislava Slovakia
1720 11,000
1786 31,700
1802 29,600
1846 40,200
1880 48,000
1910 78,200
1939 138,500
1950 184,400
1970 291,100
1991 442,197
2001 428,672

Population 425,459 (2005-12-31)
- urban 500,000
- metro 600,000
Area 367.584 km² (142 mi²)
- metro 2,053 km² (793 mi²)

Budapest Hungary

http://www.budapeszt.infinity.waw.pl/histbuda.html (in Polish)
1800 Pest - 35.000 Buda - 24.300 (59 300)
1850 -Pest- 106.379 Buda - 50.127. (156 506)
1869 -Pest 200.000 Buda - 76.000 (276 000)
In 1873 Buda, Pest and Óbuda were integrated into one administrative unit : Budapest
1900 730 000
1911 900 000
1970 2 000 000
1989 2 113 645
2007 1 696 128
down from a mid-1980s peak of 2.1 million

Sarajevo

1879. 21,377
1885. 26,268
1895. 38,083
1910. 51,919
1921. 66,317
1931. 78,173
1941. 92,148(estimate)
1948. 111,087
1971. 359,448
1981. 448,519
1991. 527,049
Historically Sarajevo had always been a very populous city-
100,000 people in the 1660s!!!
1626 more than 60,000
1660 more than 100,000
but as the Ottoman Empire declined, so did its population.

2002 401,118

in 2006(Dec 2006 est.):
- City 418,891
But
How many people live in Urban, Metro?

-

RIGA Latvia
We suffered ALOT from WW1, refugees, frontline in middle of Latvia, thousands died in trench war etc.

1767 19,500
1800 29,500
1840 60,000
1867 102,600
1881 169,300
1897 282,200
1913 517,500
1920 185,100 - after WW1 and War of Independence
1930 377,900
1940 353,800
1941 335,200
1945 228,200 - after WW2 + deportations to Siberia
1950 482,300
1955 566,900
1959 580,400
1965 665,200
1970 731,800
1975 795,600
1979 835,500
1987 900,300
1990 909,135 - peak
1995 824,988
2007 722,485

If not that fuc**ng war Riga could be ~1,5 million city now

that's a huge drop between 1913 and 1920!

If not that fucking war Riga could be ~1,5 million city now

I Agree^^
If not that WW2 war Warsaw (metro) could be ~4-6 million city now
1 350 000 in 1939
422 000 in 1945:ohno:

And Belgrade would be bigger than Tokyo right about now...if not for the various wars;)
The city had to be rebuilt 40 times.

For Belgrade to be bigger than Tokyo, Serbia would have to have some 200 milion people.

Anyway, here's a chart for Prishtina:

1850 -12.000
1902 -18.000
1921 -14.338
1948 -19.631
1961 -38.593
1971 -69.514
1981 -108.083

There hasnt been a cesuse done since 1981. The One on 1991 is considered as invalide as it was done druing the milosevic era, and had many iregularities with it.

There is one in works for the coming year.

However the present estimate, puts Prishtina at 500 000-600 000.

RIGA Latvia
1990 909,135 - peak
1995 824,988
2007 722,485

If not that fucking war Riga could be ~1,5 million city now

Why after 1990 the city population is decreasing and as i see that is continuing even now in 2007??

Why after 1990 the city population is decreasing and as i see that is continuing even now in 2007??

Various reasons.

Population fertility rates below replacement level, death rate higher than birth rate.
Russian minority emigration in early 90ties
Emigration to Western Europe
Population moving from commieblocks to suburbs.

Various reasons.

Emigration to Western Europe after we joined EU
.
:bash: the same thing will happen in bulgaria soon im almost sure that we will fall rom 7,2 mln to 5-5,5 million in the next five six years
btw is the population of the whole country going down as well?

Well, about a million people left the country since 1989 provided we experienced 2 really bad economic collapses and hit the bottom already in 1997. What makes you think 2 million people will flee in 5 years?

Well, about a million people left the country since 1989 provided we experienced 2 really bad economic collapses and hit the bottom already in 1997. What makes you think 2 million people will flee in 5 years?

In 1989 the komunists claimed that bulgaria was 9 million that was some kind of komunistic ideal bulgaria 9 million ,but in reallity we were maybe between 8,6-8,8 million 9 wasnt the realistic number,in 2005 bg wasnt more than 7 million people in any case ,in between 2005-2007 emigration has increased every third person and relative i know is abroad ,serious,and now from 2007 its a lot easy to go in western europe ,you get a much better enviremont of work and 10 times higher salary ,and people go even to countries like poland and the chezch republic not only germany,england,spain and france and as i see now even the three baltic countries are going down in population do you think that here will be difrent i dont think so ,ok not 5 but in 8 to 10 years i think that bg is going to be a little above six million just the half of the country dreams to get out of this fucking country as they say and children are being reased that way by their parents with the thinking that they should get out of here:bash::bash:

Officially, the population is 7.7 million in june 2007. Unofficially, you can only speculate. According to my personal observations, the number of immigrants is falling each year. Actually I know people that came back. BTW is that emmigration threat some new kind of media paranoia, it seems I've missed it.

And yes, quite a lot of people are working abroad. But this vision of 5-million Bulgaria in 5 years is a complete bullshit, sorry to say.

Furthermore, imagine we really would become 5 million people here in 5 years. So what exactly bothers you, people are free to work where they want to. Does it matter whether there are 8 million or 5 million people in that country?

Officially, the population is 7.7 million in june 2007. Unofficially, you can only speculate. According to my personal observations, the number of immigrants is falling each year. Actually I know people that came back. BTW is that emmigration threat some new kind of media paranoia, it seems I've missed it.

And yes, quite a lot of people are working abroad. But this vision of 5-million Bulgaria in 5 years is a complete bullshit, sorry to say.

5 million bulgarians without the black brothers and the turks i mean,and what will you say about the increasing number of our black brothers ,that is quite a big problem i think ,yes with thm in 15 years time will be 10 million:lol:

Those black brothers are a great percentage of people that leave the country nowadays. I think you don't get the real situation.

Furthermore, imagine we really would become 5 million people here in 5 years. So what exactly bothers you, people are free to work where they want to. Does it matter whether there are 8 million or 5 million people in that country?

no afcourse,switzeland is 5,5 mln around and is ok in any matter but the thing which bothers me is the thinking of the people and the low spirit of the nation

Well, I think you greatly overestimate that, that's all.

Those black brothers are a great percentage of people that leave the country nowadays. I think you don't get the real situation.

yes i know that many of them are going to spain to gather oranges and lemons but those who are here are making from there woman workplants for children

Well, are you from Ataka? Noone of you admits that, I always ask people like you and they never admit that :)

:lol::lol::lol:
Ataka are crazy ,i just dont know who are the people who vote for them ,im not from Ataka ,actually i even dont vote ,and have good reasons for that,btw i know that there are black ones who vote for Ataka ,im not a skinhead but i dont like the black brothers not for there skin colour but for there behaviour mostly

ОК, here's what I meant, read this article:

http://money.ibox.bg/news/id_1917401093

I think it perfectly depicts the situation, provides enough useful information too. You should be aware that there are people that thrive on paranoia, especially some media and especially some political parties. And this is not necessarily bad, cause it makes people aware of certain things. But when lots of people, especially intelligent people (cause I thing most Bulgarian forumers here are intelligent ones) became obsessed by this nation-wide paranoia, it's just too bad.

ОК, here's what I meant, read this article:

http://money.ibox.bg/news/id_1917401093

I think it perfectly depicts the situation, provides enough useful information too. You should be aware that there are people that thrive on paranoia, especially some media and especially some political parties. And this is not necessarily bad, cause it makes people aware of certain things. But when lots of people, especially intelligent people (cause I thing most Bulgarian forumers here are intelligent ones) became obsessed by this nation-wide paranoia, it's just too bad.

Ireland's population went down from 8 million to 4 million during the potato famine. It is currently the fastest growing one in Europe.

^^ hehe so true. anyways it is quite ironic that on earth locals leave while foreigners settle, something like "ring around the rosie".

Bulgaria:04-12-1992(8.487.315),01-03-2001(7.932.984),31-12-2006(7.679.290)

Kiev, Kyiv Ukraine.
Human settlement at the site of the present day city may have occurred as early as the fifth or the sixth century AD. With the exact time of city foundation being hard to determine.
IX с. 50,000

1552 5 - 6,000
1571 10 - 12,000
XVIII
10 - 12,000
1742 ~ 15,000
XIX с.
1806 27,200
1840 44,700
1865 71,400
1897 247,700
1913 626,000
1939 846,724
1940 930,000
1943 180,000 -80.6%!!!
1959 1,104,334
1961 1,174,000
1979 2,144,000
1989 2,587,945
2001 2,611,327
2005 2,660,401


City:2007
2 800 400
839 км²


Kiev metropolitan area 3,648,900

1943 180,000 -80.6%!!!
1959 1,104,334


?????????????

:eek2::eek2:

TIRANA

1989 300,000
2000 800,000
2007 1000,000

^^ Please provide credible sources, I find those numbers difficult to believe.

In 1703, Tirana had 4,000 inhabitants and by 1820 there were 12,000. The city’s population rose to 30,000 according to the 1930 census and 60,000 in 1945, despite the intervening years of foreign occupation and war. During the 1950s, Tirana experienced rapid industrial growth, raising the population to 137,000 by 1960.

After the end of communist rule, Tirana experienced its fastest population growth in the early 1990s when people from rural areas moved to the capital to find a better life. In 1990, Tirana had 300,000 inhabitants, but since then, the large-scale influx from other parts of the country has increased the population to well over 700,000.

In 2005, its population was officially estimated at 585.756[1], although other estimates put the figure as high as 1,000,000.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirana

^^ I said credible sources :D

^^ It is credible enough for Bucharest :nuts::cheers:

Historical population of Bucharest

Year Population
1789 30,030
1831 60,587
1859 122,000
1900 282,000
1918 383,000
1930 639,000
Jan. 25, 1948 census 1,041,807
February 21, 1956 census 1,177,661
Mar. 15, 1966 census 1,366,684
Jan. 5, 1977 census 1,807,239
July 1, 1990 estimate 2,127,194
Jan. 7, 1992 census 2,067,545
Mar. 18, 2002 census 1,926,334
July 1, 2005 estimate 1,924,959
Jan. 1, 2006 estimate 1,930,390
July 11, 2007 estimate 1,940,500

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucharest

In 1989 the komunists claimed that bulgaria was 9 million that was some kind of komunistic ideal bulgaria 9 million ,but in reallity we were maybe between 8,6-8,8 million 9 wasnt the realistic number,in 2005 bg wasnt more than 7 million people in any case ,in between 2005-2007 emigration has increased every third person and relative i know is abroad ,serious,and now from 2007 its a lot easy to go in western europe ,you get a much better enviremont of work and 10 times higher salary ,and people go even to countries like poland and the chezch republic not only germany,england,spain and france and as i see now even the three baltic countries are going down in population do you think that here will be difrent i dont think so ,ok not 5 but in 8 to 10 years i think that bg is going to be a little above six million just the half of the country dreams to get out of this fucking country as they say and children are being reased that way by their parents with the thinking that they should get out of here:bash::bash:

In the late 80`s Bulgaria was ~8,950,000 but we shouldn`t forget one certain event, ironically called "the big excursion", during which approximately 300,000 Turks recieved one-way ticket to Anatolia.I myself don`t miss them, do you?
8,950,000 - 300,000=8,650,000
Due to the low birth rate(in fact average for Europe) and the high death-rate of the generation of the "baby-boom", we have natural decrease of the population of about 30,000 people per year for the last 18 years.
8,650,000 - 540,000 =8,110,000
The number of the emmigrants after 1989 is at rough estimate 700,000(including gypsies and Turks).
8,110,000 - 700,000 ~ 7,410,000(this number is very close to the population of Bulgaria according to CIA fact book).
But we shouldn`t forget the emigration passed its peak and the trend of migration to Bulgaria by Bessarabian and Macedonian Bulgarians.Petar Dimitrov stated that the number of the people from these two regions who are waiting for citizenship is 200,000.I perfectly understand that not all of them will come to Bulgaria but even if half of them decide to stay, we will have 100,000 people in active age.
The two biggest factors for the emigration are unemployment and low wages.The first problem is almost solved because we reached the average unemployment rate for the EU in September.The second can`t be solved in short terms but judging by what happened in the countries which joined EU in 2004, the wages will be at least twice higher in 3-4 years and thrice higher in 10 years.Yes, they still will be 3-4 times lower than the wages in "Old Europe"
but the higher wage doesn`t always mean better living standard and our neighbours are the best example.Romania has 60% higher wages but only 1% higher perchasing power capacity which is within the borders of the statistic mistake.Serbia has 80% higher gross wages but we have 30% higher purchasing power capacity.Macedonia has the same wages but its purchasing power capacity is 25% lower.
Regarding to the last part of your comment, it`s only up to personal choice and you can`t force the people to stay against their will.I`m 18 and still don`t work but what is sure that I`ll stay in Bulgaria and my children will live here.

What bothers me most is the retirement age which is the lowest in the EU and also the low ratio between working force and pensioneers.It`s high time the retirement age to be increased because we can`t afford to have pensioneers at the age of 57(just for comparison the retirement age in America is 67 for men and women).

BERLIN
Early 9th century: Slavic tribes settle in area of later city Berlin under a name which is recorded in a Latin document as "Berolina". The etymology of the name is uncertain, but it may be related to the Old Polabian stem berl-/birl- "swamp". It was a small town with a stockade round, on a trade route linking southern Europe with the Baltic Sea.

1443 8,000 inhabitants
1576, Bubonic plague killed about 4,000 people in the city.
Around 1600: Berlin-Cölln had 12,000 inhabitants

1685, Frederick William invited the French Calvinist Huguenots to Brandenburg. More than 15,000 Huguenots came, of whom 6,000 settled in Berlin.

1709 55000

1755: Berlin had 100,000 inhabitants

1800-1840 he population grew from 200,000 to 400,000 Berlin the fourth-largest city in Europe

1871 800,000 inhabitants

1880: 1,124,000
1900: 1,888,000
1925: 4,036,000 (after 1920 enlargement of the territory)
2003: 3,388,477
2007: 3,402,312

Area 892 km² (344 sq mi)
- Elevation 34 - 115 m
Population 3,405,000 (11/2006)[1][2]
- Density 3,818 /km² (9,889 /sq mi)
- Urban 3,700,000
- Metro 4,262,480 (12/2004)

Originally Posted by Darhet View Post
Kiev
1943 180,000 -80.6%!!!
1959 1,104,334
?????????????

:eek2::eek2:

In World War II, the city again suffered significant damage, but quickly recovered in the post-war years, becoming once again the third most important city of the Soviet Union.

TIRANA

1989 300,000
2000 800,000
2007 1000,000
Are You Really, Really Sure?
1000 000 in Tirana?
2005 official 585 000-arrived 72 000 ,gone 41 000,brith 6000, death 2705
2006 600 339 in city
Tirana has 41km 2 city
Metro has 950 000- but not city
http://www.tirana.gov.al/common/images/Statistical%20Bulletin%202005.pdf



Warsaw official city ( 517km2) - 1 705 000,and urban ( 840km2) 2 150 000 -by official estimates while some much higher unofficial estimates are often published.- is about 2 600 000-3 000 000

For Belgrade to be bigger than Tokyo, Serbia would have to have some 200 milion people.

Anyway, here's a chart for Prishtina:

1850 -12.000
1902 -18.000
1921 -14.338
1948 -19.631
1961 -38.593
1971 -69.514
1981 -108.083

There hasnt been a cesuse done since 1981. The One on 1991 is considered as invalide as it was done druing the milosevic era, and had many iregularities with it.

There is one in works for the coming year.

However the present estimate, puts Prishtina at 500 000-600 000.



Very interesting fact.

Kosice, Slovakia's second largest city

Demographic progress

1918 pop.59 000
1938 - 70 000
1960 - 95 000
1964 - 100 000
1971 - 151 000
1987 - 238 000
1995 - 241 000
2005 - 234 000

Second biggest Slovak metropolitan area with total population of some 400 000.

Greek cities are very (unrealisticly) small if we look at city proper populations. The only objective way to look at them is the metro area. Same goes for the others actually, but the the difference in the Greek case Metro:proper is just off the charts.

That's the case for American cities.

As of the most recent census in the US, the city of Chicago had 2.9 million people, but the metropolitan are had 9.3 million. Current estimates put the city population at 2.8 million and the metropolitan area at 9.8 million.

Historical population of Constanta :

1853: 5,200
1900: 13,000
1910: 27,000
1930: 59,000
1950: 80,000
1970: 172,000
1985: 319,000
2002: 310,471
2006: 306,200
2007: 322,231

Wow!:)

According to this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_cities_of_the_European_Union_by_population_within_city_limits

Sofia is the 14-th largest city of the European Union by population within city limits.

Many people speculate that Sofia is over 2 or even 3 mln. people. In my opinion It`s about 1,8 mln



My home town Stara Zagora, which is the 6-th largest city in Bulgaria is about 180 000 inh. Here is the statistics from wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stara_Zagora

Year Population

1875 23,000
1884 15,500 /Decrease, because of battle with turks/
1913 27,000
1934 34,000
1940 40,000
1956 56,000
1965 87,000
1968 100,000
1975 122,000
1985 157,000
1992 162,000
2002 164,000


:)
also most uk citys
birmingham 2006...1,750.000
leeds.2006..........700,000
SHEFFIELD2006....643,000
liverpool 2006......548,000
manchester........400,000
all growing at a fast rate .some ever double with the metro areas included.

Podgorica- Capital of Montenegro

1921- about 8 000
1948- 48 599
1971- 98 796
2003- 169 132
Today- about 175 000

edit: lousy short-term memory:bash:

^^hmmm-double post ?
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/333/obrazek1ql4.jpg

According to the 1999 census, Belarusians make up 79.3% of the city's residents. Other ethnic groups include Russians (15.7%), Ukrainians (2.4%), Poles (1.1%) and Jews (0.6%). The Russian and Ukrainian populations of Minsk peaked in the late 1980s (at 325,000 and 55,000 respectively). After the break-up of the Soviet Union, many of them chose to move to their respective mother countries. The Jewish population of Minsk peaked in the early 1970s at 50,000 (according to official figures; independent estimates put the figure at 100-120,000), but then declined as a result of emigration to Israel, the USA and Germany. Today there are only about 10,000 Jews living in Minsk. The traditional minorities of Poles and Tatars have remained at much the same size (17,000 and 3,000 respectively). There was migration of rural Poles from the western part of Belarus to Minsk, and many Tatars moved to Minsk from Tatarstan.

Lviv population throughout history:

http://www.geocities.com/prysjan/IM/diag_02.gif

Kaliningrad (Königsberg)
in the Russian exclave

1400 10.000
1663 40.000
1708 40.600
1711 30.000
1813 48.729
1819 63.869
1825 67.125
1831 67.580
1837 69.600
1840 70.839
1846 75.234
1852 79.887
1855 83.593
1858 87.267
1864 101.500
1871 112.092
1875 122.636
1880 140.909
1885 151.151
1890 161.666
1895 172.796
1900 189.483
1905 223.770
1910 245.994
1916 229.007
1917 224.758
1919 260.895
1925 279.926
1933 315.794
1939 372.164
1945 73.000
1956 188.000
1959 204.000
1970 296.962
1979 354.788
1989 401.280
2002 430.003
2006 423.651
2007 422.300

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad

1857 - 48 266
1869 - 54 761
1880 - 67 188
1890 - 82 848
1900 - 111 565
1910 - 136 351
1921 - 167 765
1931 - 258 024
1948 - 356 529
1953 - 393 919
1961 - 478 076
1971 - 629 896
1981 - 723 065
1991 - 777 826 *independence war*
2001 - 779 145
2007 - 801 554 (City)
´´´´ 1 150 011 (Metro Area)

http://www.zagreb.hr/zgstat/documents/Ljetopis/Statisticki%20ljetopis%20ZG%202005_cijelil.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_cities_of_the_European_Union_by_population_within_city_limits

Where are the American cities? Should e more interesting to investigate their growth rates, I'm sure they already are investigated empirically since their founding.

Historical population
of Gdańsk

1235 2,000
1600 40,000
1650 70,000
1700 50,000
1750 46,000
1793 36,000
1800 48,000
1825 61,900
1840 65,000
1852 67,000
1874 90,500
1880 13,701
1885 108,500
1900 140,600
1910 170,300
1920 360,000 (whole FCD)
1925 210,300
1939 250,000
1946 118,000
1950 ?
1960 286,900
1970 365,600
1975 421,000
1980 456,700
1990 ?
1994 464,000
2000 ?
2002 460,000
2006 456,658
2007 464,262

Demographics in Romania - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Romania

+

Official statistics - 1st July 2007
http://www.insse.ro/cms/rw/resource/populatia%20la%201%20iulie.htm

Historical population
of Gdańsk

1235 2,000
1600 40,000
1650 70,000
1700 50,000
1750 46,000
1793 36,000
1800 48,000
1825 61,900
1840 65,000
1852 67,000
1874 90,500
1880 13,701
1885 108,500
1900 140,600
1910 170,300
1920 360,000 (whole FCD)
1925 210,300
1939 250,000
1946 118,000
1950 ?
1960 286,900
1970 365,600
1975 421,000
1980 456,700
1990 ?
1994 464,000
2000 ?
2002 460,000
2006 456,658
2007 464,262

I'm sory but 30.06.2007 456,103

^^ 464,262 click (http://resources.kingsturge.com/contentresources/library/6/research/2007/01Oct/221020074145_pdf.pdf) 6th page...

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2932/prahakd0.gif.
population of Central Bohemia region which surrounds Prague
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5056/strcechyht1.gif

Toulouse in France, the fastest growing european metropolitan area of over 1 million peoples. :cheers:

Years (city)
1793: 52 612
1800: 50 171
1806: 51 689
1821: 52 328
1831: 59 639
1836: 77 372
1846: 94 227
1851: 96 564
1856: 103 144
1861: 113 714
1866: 126 936
1872: 124 852
1876: 131 642
1881: 140 289
1886: 147 617
1891: 149 791
1896: 149 963
1901: 149 841
1906: 149 938
1911: 149 576
1921: 175 434
1926: 180 771
1931: 194 564 Aglomeration Metropolitan area
1936: 213 220 :252 477 : 366 206
1946: 264 411
1954: 268 863 : 323 822 : 436 052
1962: 323 724 : 392 777 : 464 791
1968: 370 796 : 481 993 : 559 080
1975: 373 796 : 556 165 : 649 535
1982: 347 995 : 588 524 : 737 448
1990: 358 688 : 666 941 : 841 152
1999: 390 550 : 761 090 : 964 797
2005: 443 103 : 871 800
2008: 460 000 : 900 000 : 1 133 105

Historical demography of the most important cities of Romania:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8656/popromwn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Stara Zagora, BULGARIA


http://szr-airport.hit.bg/sz-population.bmp

^^

Now we are waiting Stara Zagora to become a 400 000 inh. city to have its 3-rd junction with Trakia highway (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19236692&postcount=513)! :lol:

I`m sure it will be much sooner than the minister Gagauzov expects! :okay:

hmm but in City or Metro ( Urban)?^^

^^

In city!

It`s about the urban population not the suburban one. :)

Data for the 2nd largest czech city:

Brno, Czech republic

1389 8,400
1645 4,500
1850 59,460
1900 138,020
1919 221,545
1925 242,401
1937 289,326
1940 238,204 (Jewish deportation)
1950 284,670
1970 335,701
1990 391,979 --- peak
2000 383,034
2007 366,679

^^

Now we are waiting Stara Zagora to become a 400 000 inh. city to has its 3-rd junction with Trakia highway (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19236692&postcount=513)! :lol:

I`m sure it will be much sooner than the minister Gagauzov expects! :okay:

His statement was simply a relatively polite way to say :nono:
IMO, SZ will get its 3rd junction with the motorway because the party whose representative is SZ`s mayor will almost surely win the next elections and ofcourse they will give their best to develop as much as possible the municipalities where they have strong position just like the current coalition does.