so is this project a go?

Very cool design ! So elegant and with nice height.

Why bump 20 threads that haven't had any posts for months or even a year just to say "cool..." in each one??? WHY! :bash:

Very cool design ! So elegant and with nice height.Whenever i see knew info up on a project like this I get excited only to see some comment like "love the design". Just Stop!!!!!!!!

That what they do around here. I guest it gives them a rush

Whenever i see knew info up on a project like this I get excited only to see some comment like "love the design". Just Stop!!!!!!!!

Your forum comments aren't much more insightfull either americanskycraper22. I can't count the number of threads you've posted to as well with the same old things "is it topped out yet" etc... Quit trying to inflate your post counts. It's lame. And we already have one "buildmiletower" forumer... we don't need another... :lol:

I liked this building very. pretty and very pleasant!

Your forum comments aren't much more insightfull either americanskycraper22. I can't count the number of threads you've posted to as well with the same old things "is it topped out yet" etc... Quit trying to inflate your post counts. It's lame. And we already have one "buildmiletower" forumer... we don't need another... :lol:
ARE YOU SERIOUS????? i don't try just to inflate my post count, i just want answers. Its not like i can walk done a street to shnaghai or dubai and find out how a project i am following is doing. I live an hour from toronto, which i only visit maybe 3 times a year. I don't live next to the Al Hamara Tower of Guangzhou International Finance Center or Beekman Place. I can't get any answers myself so I'm sorry if i ask too many questions!!!!!!! :mad: i dont care about post counts

Guys. we want updates and pictures. Stop the arguing please.

i dont want anyone to think im just some loser who can see how many posts i can have. I have 202, not 2002 or 12,002. is it bad if i ask a lot of questions?

Very cool design ! So elegant and with nice height.

BAN! ^^ :ohno:
SEE WHAT YOU DO, IDIOT!!! Someone please stop this troll/spammer!

BAN! ^^ :ohno:
SEE WHAT YOU DO, IDIOT!!! Someone please stop this troll/spammer!

Yeah, I hate this too, I been noticing this guy posts on every single thread without any contribution, in my book that's called spamming!

CMack you are taking this a wee bit too seriously. Why don't you tone it down a notch or two.

BAN! ^^ :ohno:
SEE WHAT YOU DO, IDIOT!!! Someone please stop this troll/spammer!

skyperu is a Moderator, so calm down a bit or you are the one who gets banned ;).

Yeah, I hate this too, I been noticing this guy posts on every single thread without any contribution, in my book that's called spamming!

thank you!!!! finally someone who agrees with me!!!!!!!!:banana:

skyperu is a Moderator, so calm down a bit or you are the one who gets banned ;).

If he's a moderator than he should know better, don't you think?? it is pretty annoying to go to every thread and find out this guy has posted thinks like "great design, very classy" for a thread that has been inactive for MONTHS.
Now, I am going to stop the bitching, don't want to ruin this thread.

If this tower is in 'preparation', why is it doing here? It should be moved to the Supertall section.

the tower is not U/C yet, they've to finish the subway first ^^

wasn't the world product center supposed to be under construction, or is the project scrapped?

skyperu is a Moderator, so calm down a bit or you are the one who gets banned ;).

Makes it even more ridiculous, since we can't add the spamerator to our ignore list because of his "status":ohno:

world product center is in the same area I believe their wait to finish the subway there as well. I can't wait to become a mod. Back on topic I haven't seen much work on this site for two years.

^^ which will be completed first, or have they even started the world product center?

Interestingly, my girlfriend's dad is the owner/manager/founder of the demolition company that is excavating the site. I havent spoken with him for a few weeks so maybe I'll pick his brain about the future of the site when we have dinner this weekend.

very nice looking tower. But..
Is anyone wondering why all of the supertalls in new york that are proposed or U/C for the next decade or so, look, well, pretty much the same?

Glass cladding, straight faces, boxy roofs (BoA tower in midtown and tower 2 at WTC breaking the mold!)

The hudson yards project seems new and innovative too but many of the newest supertalls here in NYC and elsewhere seem so...similar.

WHoaaaaa ^^ this tower is so beautiful .... !!!

Browsing the Proposed archives.

This is a box. A pox on the box!

The title says 'Prep'. Any up to date pictures?

Why do you people do this. Doesn't make sense to bump thread

Nice project! I was not really aware of it but if it does get built, it will be a nice addition to that part of Manhattan, especially since it is so close to the Empire State building.

Why do you people do this. Doesn't make sense to bump thread

First of all it's one person who bumped the thread. I'm wondering if there are any updates because the status says 'Prep'. Maybe there are people on the forum who have updates about this project but don't post them here because they don't know this thread exists..

I'm not saying bumping threads is always necessary but it might be useful in some situations.

Pics (renders) and plans of the building.

http://www.fxfowle.com/projects/mixed-use/3-hudson-boulevard.php

beautiful structure, any supertalls around it?

No, but there could be.

a bit old, but the pics are very cool. from SSP by NYguy

http://www.fxfowle.com/projects/mixed-use/3-hudson-boulevard.php

3 Hudson Boulevard
New York, NY

Client: The Moinian Group
Completion: 2013
Area: 1,600,000 sf

Situated in the Hudson Yards District, 3 Hudson Boulevard will be an icon of green architecture. From its sky gardens to the reaches of the new Hudson Boulevard Park, this 1.6 million square foot tower will be surrounded by green. It will offer unparalleled views over the Hudson River Park, the High Line, and the new Hudson Rail Yards development as it soars over 1,000 feet high. This solar power-generating tower will set new standards for mixed–use development by uniting premium corporate offices and the most exclusive residences with the state-of-the-art environmentally sustainable design. The project is targeted for a LEED Platinum Rating.

__________________________

Taken from the FXFowle website...

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these are great developments its Been years. That side of the city needs a pick me up.

latest news on the 7 train extension (which has to be done before construction starts), provided by NYGuy, SSP:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bloomberg_heads_underground_for_VNKRAwfpbhHYyOhDLL44oI

Bloomberg heads underground for 7 train extension

By TOM NAMAKO
February 3, 2010

Manhattan straphangers, meet your newest subway stop.

MTA brass yesterday revealed the incredible underground cavern that in several years will become the 34th Street top platform on the 7 line.

Cut 110 feet under Eleventh Avenue, the space — essentially a pit of mud and concrete right now — is housing several massive tunnel-boring machines that are working their way to 42nd Street, where the line currently ends.

Mayor Bloomberg said he hopes the $2.1 billion subway extension — funded by city taxpayer money — will lead to a spate of economic development on Manhattan’s West Side.

"The far west side never had mass transit before," he said inside the cavern. "The sandhogs deserve a lot of credit."

Bloomberg also addressed questions about the project coming in on-time and on-budget.

When asked about a recent independent engineer’s report that said the project could be delayed from its December 2013 opening into 2014, Bloomberg said, "I don’t know. If it takes into 2014, as long as we do it safe, that’s the most important thing."


http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/02/03/news/photos_galleries/train_tunnel/020310bloomberg026tw173455--500x380.jpg

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/02/03/news/photos_galleries/train_tunnel/020310bloomberg033tw173511--500x380.jpg
The construction site 140 ft. below the 34th Street platform.

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/02/03/news/photos_galleries/train_tunnel/020310bloomberg044tw173446--500x380.jpg
The massive tunnel drilling machine at the construction site 140 ft. below the city, where work is underway
on the new No. 7 subway line stop at 34th Street and 11th Avenue.

If i get it right, this one will be build 100%?

If i get it right, this one will be build 100%?

as far as i informed myself, yes. they have to build the subway first before construction of this tower can start. the finanacing is there, they just have to wait... completition date is end of 2013 but it's possible that it could take longer (depends on the progress of the subway extension)!

Beaut:)

Hey I'll be 30 when it start and I don't like the sound of that lol

Hey I'll be 30 when it start and I don't like the sound of that lol

lol, well you should pray that all WTC towers will be completed before you reach 40...

15 years sounds pretty fair to me lol

as far as i informed myself, yes. they have to build the subway first before construction of this tower can start. the finanacing is there, they just have to wait... completition date is end of 2013 but it's possible that it could take longer (depends on the progress of the subway extension)!

ugh so construction wont start till 2013...... thats 3 years from now... by that time im gonna be married and have children NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :lol: jk im not but still thats too long damn it...

update by

SkyscrapersOfNewYork, SSP

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I know wikipedia is a very unreliable source but it says the tower should complete in 2011 is there any reality of that happening ?

Beautiful design!!! :)

I know wikipedia is a very unreliable source but it says the tower should complete in 2011 is there any reality of that happening ?

the answer is no. You never know with these subway lines, it could take another 20 years. Thats why I moved on.

Simple and elegant.

the answer is no. You never know with these subway lines, it could take another 20 years. Thats why I moved on.


I really doubt it will take 20 years

^^ agreed

I think this building greatly compliments the ESB, and I look foward to the day I can finally visit this amazing place !

Wow, the view from here will be stunning. Hopefully it will be open for public. :cool:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/115943331/original.jpg

I really doubt it will take 20 years

I was speaking about the subway

from the article posted in the 15 penn thread:

On the Horizon, a New Manhattan Skyline

By ANTON TROIANOVSKI



Before the recession hit, developers Moinian Group and Brookfield Properties Corp. also floated West Side towers, proposed to be more than 1,000 feet tall. "There's not much going on at the moment but it's definitely something we're excited about for the future," a Brookfield spokesman said of the company's project, at Ninth Avenue and 33rd Street. Moinian wants to build a 1,060-foot office and residential tower nearby, but construction won't start before 2013, a spokesman said.


title should be changed, the new height is 1060ft (323m).

Grrrrrrrrr. 2013!?! :bash: So, basically, this will be under prep for the next 3 years? What a pain in the ass. This probably won't be completed before 2017 then. :sleepy: Oh well, just so long as they build it.

^^

Hey, in the meantime you have the WTC site to watch :)

Grrrrrrrrr. 2013!?! :bash: So, basically, this will be under prep for the next 3 years? What a pain in the ass. This probably won't be completed before 2017 then. :sleepy: Oh well, just so long as they build it.

yeah, but at least it will be built. i can live with that as long as we can watch other supertalls rise. :)

2013!?

The world would have been gone by then, including Manhattan..... lol

Yes for the Mayan believers ^^ I'll change it back to 'approved'

from the article posted in the 15 penn thread:

On the Horizon, a New Manhattan Skyline

By ANTON TROIANOVSKI



title should be changed, the new height is 1060ft (323m).

Are you sure they're talking about the GiraSole here? It might be Tower Verre..

^^ yes i'm sure because, 1. the developer is moinian (for tower verre the man would be mr. hines) and 2. the tower's location is the west side.

you can read the whole article in the 15 penn plaza thread. btw thanks for changing the title.

EDIT: the status change doesn't matter that much. in this case "Prep" meant the subway operations which are currently under way.

Three years will go past quickly..

I hope then don't I'm trying to stay 26 for the next five years lol

wow thats much more of a delay than i thought, hmm why dont they redisign it if its going to be finished around 2017, the world is going to be a diferent place by then !

^^ i would imagine that they would keep changing details in the design until the time it gets built.....

Times always change no matter how much we don't want them too.

very new yorkish. Not every tower in NY can be iconic.

WSJ (http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2010/12/16/tenant-hunt-is-on-for-rival-west-side-projects/)

December 16 2010
Tenant Hunt Is On for Rival Office Projects
By Eliot Brown

http://www.fxfowle.com/images/projects/1243871149.jpg
A rendering of an office tower that Joseph Moinian plans to build on Manhattan’s West Side.

Commercial rents in New York are down more than 30% from their 2008 peak, vacancy is a relatively high 9% and construction financing is hard to come by. But that hasn’t stopped some large developers from dusting off their 2007-era plans to construct new office buildings.

The ever-active Related Cos. is now pushing its planned $15 billion development at Manhattan’s West Side rail yards on the office broker community, in an attempt to find one or two tenants who could occupy about one million square feet and anchor a first tower.

As it turns out, Related has some competition — and from a rival, no less. Landlord Joseph Moinian, who is currently fighting back an attempt by Related CEO Stephen Ross to foreclose on and demolish his 3 Columbus Circle office building, said Wednesday that he, too, is planning a tenant search for a tower that will rise just north of the Related site.

“We are going to be marketing very soon,” he said. “Leasing reports on office buildings are showing signs of life.”

Development may not be the first word that jumps to mind when talking about Moinian, who is scrambling to shore up a multitude of overleveraged buildings bought or refinanced near the market’s peak. But with fundamentals gradually rising and a possible completion date now three to four years out — should Moinian secure a tenant — he said wants to start pushing his tower.

His site sits on a block between 34th and 35th Streets, bordered by 11th Avenue and 34th Hudson Boulevard — the yet-to-be-built park that would rise to the north of the rail yards. The 1.6 million square foot office tower has been on the drawing board for more than five years, put into hibernation by the recession.

“We have a great land cost here. And we have certainly the best location because we are sitting, A) on top of the train, B) on the boulevard, and C) the most important thing is that we are sitting exactly across from Javits, where our views are unobstructed forever.”

Developers, of course, are by nature bubbling with optimism and only restrained from putting up empty office buildings left and right by lenders who — at least for the moment — want to see large tenant commitments at high rents before they hand over money to start construction.

There are a few other large office development sites vying for would-be tenants, including a Boston Properties site at 55th Street and Eighth Avenue (it nearly began construction before it was abruptly canceled when a tenant deal fell through in 2009), Vornado’s 15 Penn Plaza site, and a site on the far west side owned by Extell Development.

Two World Trade Center towers are going up in Lower Manhattan as well — and another will begin rising if Larry Silverstein finds a large tenant and can raise capital.

This is looking great.. :banana:

Subway on the site where this tower will rise after they finish the subway..

Photo Gallery: Subterranean Construction on the NYC Subway

By Brian Resnick
Aug 10 2011,

Wall Street may be having a rough week, but there's clear progress happening underneath New York's financial institutions.

As part of its plan to redevelop the warehouse district around Hudson Yards, the city of New York has undertaken a $2.1 billion, two-mile expansion of the No. 7 subway line from Times Square to 11th Avenue. The No. 7 crosses just about every other NYC subway line; extending it to the yards will give most New Yorkers access to the soon-to-be-developed neighborhood west of Eighth Avenue and north of 34th Street. The project broke ground in 2007 and is now nearing the end of its heavy construction phase.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/easel/images/galleries/120103_7_line-_4999.jpg
Progress is being made on the new 34th street station.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/easel/images/galleries/120232_7_line-_5335.jpg
This is the mezzanine level of the future 34th Street Station.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/easel/images/galleries/120127_7_line-_5010.jpg
A display of patriotism hangs in the incomplete subway station.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/easel/images/galleries/120035_7_line-_4983.jpg
These tunnels, underneath the Port Authority Bus Terminal, are located near Times Square.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/easel/images/galleries/115920_7_line-_4846.jpg
A completed tunnel with its concrete liner in place.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/easel/images/galleries/115950_7_line-_4857.jpg

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/easel/images/galleries/120017_7_line-_4947.jpg

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http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/easel/images/galleries/120208_7_line-_5179.jpg

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/08/photo-gallery-subterranean-construction-on-the-nyc-subway/243354/

Dec 2010


Landlord Joseph Moinian...said Wednesday that he, too, is planning a tenant search for a tower that will rise just north of the Related site.

“We are going to be marketing very soon,” he said. “Leasing reports on office buildings are showing signs of life.”

...with fundamentals gradually rising and a possible completion date now three to four years out — should Moinian secure a tenant — he said wants to start pushing his tower.

His site sits on a block between 34th and 35th Streets, bordered by 11th Avenue and Hudson Boulevard — the yet-to-be-built park that would rise to the north of the rail yards. The 1.6 million square foot office tower has been on the drawing board for more than five years, put into hibernation by the recession.

“We have a great land cost here. And we have certainly the best location because we are sitting, A) on top of the train, B) on the boulevard, and C) the most important thing is that we are sitting exactly across from Javits, where our views are unobstructed forever.”

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18602/1052322-S1300x600.jpg?optimalizedperformance=true


http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2010/12/16/tenant-hunt-is-on-for-rival-west-side-projects/

So this tower will rise for sure after they finish the subway yes? :)

So this tower will rise for sure after they finish the subway yes? :)

It was on hold because of recession..Now when market is better they will start searching for tenants..So hopefully when subway will be done, they will find tenants and start building..

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/easel/images/galleries/120208_7_line-_5179.jpg

The door is open!

Would the subway line be considered prep work?

That subway line project is stunning. Is there a thread for it in this forum?

This may be the most stunning design that is still approved. I hope the Subway station attracts a lot of traffic so we see this part of town thrive enough to get this built.

I thought this was dead well it's good it will actually get built even though it's not for a while. But I like those pics of the subway extension .

Would the subway line be considered prep work?

no, is not directly related to the tower.

http://www.moinian.com/corporate/residential-listing.php?s=3

Situated in the heart of the dynamic Hudson Yards District, directly across from the new Javits Convention Center 3 Hudson Boulevard, located at 34th Street and 11th Avenue will be a gateway for Manhattan's new West Side and an icon of green architecture for the 21st Century. This solar powergenerating tower will set a new standard for mixed use development by uniting premium corporate offices and the most exclusive residences with the state of the art in environmentally sustainable design.

3 Hudson Boulevard will rise as a gently-turning tower of glass adorned with an array of photovoltaic sun screens on its southern and eastern facades. The curtain wall will be comprised of spectrally selective glass with Low-emissivity coatings for enhanced comfort and environmental performance.

3 Hudson Boulevard will provide corporate tenants with more than 1.2 million square feet of high performance, Class A office space. At the podium level, floor plates will be over 35,000 square feet with clear lease spans in excess of 60 feet. Tower office floors will be approximately 27,000 square feet with clear spans of 40 feet or more.

Office floors will be greater than 14 ft. in height with a 5-foot window module taking full advantage of the spectacular views. The office lobby will offer a grand entry experience, gracefully expressed in stone, sustainable wood and illuminated glass.

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18602/1634970-S1300x600.0.jpg?optimalizedperformance=true

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18602/1634971-S1300x600.0.jpg?optimalizedperformance=true

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18602/1634972-T1200800.jpg

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18602/1634973-S1300x600.0.jpg?optimalizedperformance=true

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18602/1634970-T1200800.jpg

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The Girasole is just one of scores of supertalls that will rise in this area. This site is unique in Manhattan because all of the parcels are zoned for huge towers that will exceed 300m.

If the Javits center was ever demolished, would any sites on that land have air rights for a 400m+ tower?

With all of these supertalls going up and proposed and planned to go up, might have have a new "tallest block"? ^.^ (Is referring to Dubai Marina. Is not trying to start city vs city. Just trying to figure out which block is taller)

Yes, west side has huge air rights so you can actually expect something like that in the future..

And why is that the West Side has such huge air rights may I ask?

And why is that the West Side has such huge air rights may I ask?

The Far West Side has huge air rights because the City changed the zoning. Basically, the city and MTA agreed to extend the 7 train to 34th and 11th in an attempt to make the Jets Stadium over there more viable, and in an attempt to lure the 2012 Olympics here because that area is the largest undeveloped site/area in Manhattan, so new stuff for the Olympics could've been built there. But when both fell through, the city realized it was building this multi billion dollar subway extension to no where, so they changed the zoning to allow for huge buildings to lure developers and new projects over there, and it's working.

At least that's what I think.

^^ Cool story.

I thought this was dead!

Situated in the heart of the dynamic Hudson Yards District, directly across from the new Javits Convention Center 3 Hudson Boulevard, located at 34th Street and 11th Avenue will be a gateway for Manhattan's new West Side and an icon of green architecture for the 21st Century. This solar powergenerating tower will set a new standard for mixed use development by uniting premium corporate offices and the most exclusive residences with the state of the art in environmentally sustainable design.

3 Hudson Boulevard will rise as a gently-turning tower of glass adorned with an array of photovoltaic sun screens on its southern and eastern facades. The curtain wall will be comprised of spectrally selective glass with Low-emissivity coatings for enhanced comfort and environmental performance.

3 Hudson Boulevard will provide corporate tenants with more than 1.2 million square feet of high performance, Class A office space. At the podium level, floor plates will be over 35,000 square feet with clear lease spans in excess of 60 feet. Tower office floors will be approximately 27,000 square feet with clear spans of 40 feet or more.

Office floors will be greater than 14 ft. in height with a 5-foot window module taking full advantage of the spectacular views. The office lobby will offer a grand entry experience, gracefully expressed in stone, sustainable wood and illuminated glass.

http://www.moinian.com/corporate/residential-listing.php?s=3

Sustainable wood? lmao

Sustainable wood? lmao

Sounds like an easy terrorist target

Curbed (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/08/26/fxfowle_hudson_yards_tower_put_on_burner_for_7_train_extension.php)


FXFOWLE Hudson Yards Tower Put on Burner for 7 Train Extension

Friday, August 26, 2011, by Kelsey Keith

We like to check in with our skyscraper thread friends every so often and this week, rendered rumors have been flying in regards to The GiraSole, the FWFOWLE-designed tower slated for the Hudson Yards and first projected for completion in 2011. Not so fast! The firm's website puts the date at 2013 and debuts the shiny tower's new, stately, and as-yet nonexistent moniker: 3 Hudson Boulevard. A spokesperson for developer Moinian Group clears a few things up for us about that timing:

"This development site is currently being net-leased by the Hudson Yards Development Corporation as a construction staging area for the MTA’s extension of the #7 subway line, which is now expected to be completed sometime in late 2013 or early 2014. The developer entered into a seven-year lease with them for this use back in 2007. They have been working very closely with the MTA and when the extension is completed the site will be well-positioned to begin development of 3 Hudson Blvd., which will have direct access to the subway. Current projections are for construction to begin soon after the subway extension is complete, most likely in 2014, with completion expected in 2016."

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Sh**, we have to wait a long time. I do not imagined that this extension of the line 7 would take so long time.

Girasole will begin construction in 2016. But it doesn't matter, as I'm pretty sure we'll watch 432 Park Ave and Tower Verre rise next year. :cheers2:.

Do we have any approval for this? I'd like to add this information to the 1st post then.

Erbse, two posts above yours desert punk posted a Curbed article saying construction would start in 2014. All we know for certain is that this can't begin construction until the subway stop is finished and that won't be until 4Q 2013 or 1Q 2014. But like most office buildings, I think this needs a tenant.

That being said, a law firm or two could get this thing built, the office component doesn't encompass the entire 1.6M sf of space, there's residential as well. What also makes this building unique is that it's across the street from the Javits Convention Center so it'll have unobstructed views of the Hudson for a while, and it'll obviously have the new subway stop in it's basement basically.

I also want to say the developer has plans to start marketing the office space soon. In the end I think this gets built, with a law firm or maybe a private equity firm anchoring it, and given the design it'll be worth the wait.

^^ Yes, sorry my bad. I meant the completion date is scheduled for 2016.

CTBUH (http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/building.php?building_id=8765) confirms that:



Start of Construction 2014
Completion 2016


Figures
Height: Architectural 323.1 meter / 1060 feet
Height: To Tip 323.1 meter / 1060 feet
Floors Above Ground 66
Tower GFA 1,600,000 m² / 17,222,257 ft²

Someone should add the floor number [66] to the thread title.

^The CTBUH also f'ed up one of the stats. There is no way there's 17 million square feet in this one building. There isn't 17 million sqaure feet in the entire World Trade Center.

I'm thinking they confused the 1.6M figure for M^2 when it's actually the sqft.

still too boxy. FxFowle could've done much better.

they could've just used the rejected Mumbai fxfowle towers here. the turning box one.

this one is a huge let down.

^The CTBUH also f'ed up one of the stats. There is no way there's 17 million square feet in this one building. There isn't 17 million sqaure feet in the entire World Trade Center.

I'm thinking they confused the 1.6M figure for M^2 when it's actually the sqft.

Should be 1,7M I guess?

Anyway, no news about this one yet?

this one would look better in a more skyscraper crowded area. the renders show it on its own.

^^This one stands next to a few other sites were supertalls are planned.

Someone should add the floor number [66] to the thread title.
done.

Should be 1,7M I guess?

Anyway, no news about this one yet?

The developer is waiting for work on the MTA 7 Line Extension to end before starting 3 Hudson up. I think a 2014 start is reasonable:


From Curbed: http://www.curbed.com/

This development site is currently being net-leased by the Hudson Yards Development Corporation as a construction staging area for the MTA’s extension of the #7 subway line, which is now expected to be completed sometime in late 2013 or early 2014. The developer entered into a seven-year lease with them for this use back in 2007. They have been working very closely with the MTA and when the extension is completed the site will be well-positioned to begin development of 3 Hudson Blvd., which will have direct access to the subway. Current projections are for construction to begin soon after the subway extension is complete, most likely in 2014, with completion expected in 2016

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1167KPFSuperTallToPartnerEmpireStateBuilding_pic1.jpg

i've seen this tower come up several times. What is it, and what is it's status?

^^ as far as I know it's dead. I haven't seen that design in years.

Hudson, that's a Sherwood Equities tower. Haven't heard much on it the past couple of years, originally plans called for either a hotel, office, or a combo of 2.5M sf. The site hasn't been sold, or foreclosed on, so it's not dead just in a bit of a coma. But as the neighborhood starts to come together I'm sure we'll hear more about it and something tall will be built there eventually.

I've kinda always assumed this was dead. hopefully i'm wrong because i've always loved the site this tower was planned to built on.

^^ as far as I know it's dead. I haven't seen that design in years.

That's not the design. Moreover, this won't be developed for years.

The design for what Robert?

The design for what Robert?

For Sherwood's 2.5m sf tower. That's just intended to give an impression of the size of the tower. Sherwood will get a partner to develop the site.

^^ yeah I know that lol. Still haven't heard anything in years.

Could the GiraSole rise 1,400+ feet? :eek:

DOB Issues Permit For City's Tallest Residential Tower (http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/05/18/dob-issues-permit-for-citys-tallest-residential-tower/)


The 84-story tower at 440 Park Avenue will be NYC’s loftiest

The New York City Department of Buildings has issued a permit for the construction of a new, 84-story residential building, slated to be the city’s tallest, at the 440 Park Avenue site where CIM Group and Macklowe Properties plan to build condominiums, the DOB confirmed today. The permit, for a 1,300-foot-tall residential tower at the site of the former Drake Hotel, was issued earlier this month.

The application for the site, at 56th Street, was filed last May, the DOB said. If construction proceeds as planned, the tower, which will offer retail as well as the ultra-luxury apartments and will be designed by SLCE Architects, will reach 1,398 feet in 2016. That heights tops One57, which will become the city’s tallest residential tower when it is completed later this year.

CIM and Harry Macklowe — who has no equity in the project but is involved — plan to erect a mixed-use complex designed by Rafael Vinoly. With 128 residential units and 12-foot high ceilings, the project is expected to cost $1 billion, according to previous reports. The permit means that the ambitious project — which is slated to include golf training facilities and private dining and screening rooms — can move forward.

But the 440 Park Avenue site may not be the city’s tallest for long. The GiraSole tower proposed for 11th Avenue could rise to a similar height when it is completed. The project has been stalled for years, after initial reports said the tower, which architects hope to design as essentially a huge solar panel, would be completed by 2011.

CIM, a Los Angeles-based private equity firm which acquired the Drake Hotel site for $305 million in 2010, has said it is confident that it will get the $700 million construction loan it needs to complete the project, according to previous reports. Calls to CIM’s representatives were not returned.

Developers Vie For Tallest Designation Next To Residential Towers (http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/05/18/developers-vie-for-tallest-designation-next-to-residential-towers/)

http://therealdeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/tallest-tower1.jpg
From left: a rendering of 432 Park Avenue, 1214 Fifth Avenue rendering, 8 Spruce Street and One57 rendering



New York City has entered the age of a residential arms race, where developers continue to try top each other, literally, in the height of their developments, according to the New York Times. By 2016 the city could have six of the country’s 10 tallest towers and three of its highest residential buildings.

Last year, 8 Spruce Street became the country’s tallest rental tower. (The Times noted that architect Frank Gehry urged developer Forest City Ratner to build a few feet short of Trump World Tower so as not to draw The Donald’s ire.)

Meanwhile, Extell Development’s One57 just broke a Manhattan sales record on its way to 1,004 feet in height, which will make it the tallest residential tower in Manhattan. But it won’t hold that title for long. The residential structure CIM Group and Harry Macklowe plan for 432 Park Avenue is slated to reach 1,398 feet in 2016, and even later, the GiraSole tower proposed for 11th Avenue could rise to a similar height.

In the short-term, a Related Companies rental tower scheduled to open June 15 is staking claim to the “tallest residential building on the Upper East Side” title, as it rises 53 stories on 1214 Fifth Avenue, which is actually in Harlem. At 513 feet, it will be the 183rd tallest building in the city.

Oh HELL yes! :D

Let the race begin.

once One 57 is topped out, developers will be itching to top it. The first will be 432 Park, then 225 W 57th and hopefully a taller Girasole after that

Well good news.

I would love to see this at a height of 430 meters to top off the skyline. I would much rather have this over 432 park as NYC's tallest.

^Agreed, but I wonder how much the design would change

^Agreed, but I wonder how much the design would change

Well here's the thing, I am not crazy about height, I just want something to be a little taller then 432 park, so that it is overshadowed, and it becomes less obvious that there is a very tall pencil in Manhattan.

Mhhhh, they could leave the design as it is, and add flors upon the current design, let them twist the same amount it already does, and put the current parapet on top of it. Of course, if it´s technically possible, given the amount of columns and their thickness etc.


It would be crazy, if the cladding would slightly fade from a dark blue to a bright blue on the top. And they would add LEDs, which would enhance the towers twisting design. <3

So... 1WTC, 2WTC, 432, and now this will all be taller than 400m... Don't forget the Hudson Yards Tower is almost 400m as well (394m) and there is a possibility that 225 W 57 could be taller than 400m as well. New York is booming! :D

Let the race begin.

another race for the sky, like a century ago. :cheers:

http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/2012/05/rumor-mill-could-girasole-rival-432.html

Increasing the height of the Girasole would make sense from a development perspective, especially as so many residential/mixed-use towers are now breaking the 1,000 foot barrier. As so many towers are increasingly slender--obviously 432 Park leads the pack--it would make much more sense if the Girasole took on a model-esque profile to maximize future views. The tower has 1.6 million square feet of air rights, 600,000 SF more than One57 and triple the amount that 432 Park has. The Girasole certainly doesn't lack the space needed to rise higher--perhaps even 1,500 feet is possible, given the latest trends to emphasize height over all else.

I think this has great potential to topits competitors...

another race for the sky, like a century ago. :cheers:

I don't see why not. It's about time for NYC to show up Dubai anyways.

amazing news!

I think they should give this a height of 432 meters :wink2:

http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/2012/05/rumor-mill-could-girasole-rival-432.html

I think this has great potential to topits competitors...

Yeah, as it stands The GiraSole looks more like a commercial tower with its present proportions. Building a higher, more slender tower would not only be feasible but probably enhance neighboring proprties whose views wouldn't be so blocked. It's a win win. I say build it to 1,500 ft.! :cheers:

The residential market in NYC seems to be incredible. This new NYC skyscraper wave is for real :master:

The residential market in NYC seems to be incredible. This new NYC skyscraper wave is for real :master:

I hope it´s just the "beginning".

I think it has as much to do with high demand as it has to do with technological advances allowing tall buildings to be built much cheaper than before... I don't have hard numbers but I would bet that it's more cost effective than ever to build to 1,000'+, especially in residential buildings where there aren't thousands of people entering/exiting daily. You need far fewer elevators if there are only a few hundred units to begin with... and that was the main challenge buildings like the Twin Towers faced.

I hope it´s just the "beginning".
hopefully the demand will continue

I think it has as much to do with high demand as it has to do with technological advances allowing tall buildings to be built much cheaper than before... I don't have hard numbers but I would bet that it's more cost effective than ever to build to 1,000'+, especially in residential buildings where there aren't thousands of people entering/exiting daily. You need far fewer elevators if there are only a few hundred units to begin with... and that was the main challenge buildings like the Twin Towers faced.

From what I know of history skyscraper waves were often started by advancements in engineering. Like when they first invented the steel grid system or the tube system :cheers:

If this is going to be the tallest in NYC, it needs a more iconic look. Now, don't get me wrong, I love the design of this, but it doesn't look iconic enough to be NYC's tallest.

I think it has as much to do with high demand as it has to do with technological advances allowing tall buildings to be built much cheaper than before... I don't have hard numbers but I would bet that it's more cost effective than ever to build to 1,000'+, especially in residential buildings where there aren't thousands of people entering/exiting daily. You need far fewer elevators if there are only a few hundred units to begin with... and that was the main challenge buildings like the Twin Towers faced.

The economics have changed due to flat plate floor pouring that reduces the time to build and makes concrete towers even faster than steel to raise. Add to this high performance 16,000psi concrete, and you can build supertalls that are both superstrong and slender.

Here's a great overview from an industry publication: http://www.concreteconstruction.net/concrete-construction/concrete-superstructures.aspx

If this is going to be the tallest in NYC, it needs a more iconic look. Now, don't get me wrong, I love the design of this, but it doesn't look iconic enough to be NYC's tallest.

If you want an iconic tower as NYC's tallest, you would be happy with 432Park Avenue.

If this is going to be the tallest in NYC, it needs a more iconic look. Now, don't get me wrong, I love the design of this, but it doesn't look iconic enough to be NYC's tallest.

Here's the thing: NY is never planning a new tallest, it hits us by surprise. :D The market dictates the outcome.
With other cities it's the other way around: the government announces a new tallest building for the country: "Look world, look America- this tower will be the tallest now, looook please!!".

Oddly, I don't really like it. Maybe the renders throw me off.

Here's the thing: NY is never planning a new tallest, it hits us by surprise. :D The market dictates the outcome.
With other cities it's the other way around: the government announces a new tallest building for the country: "Look world, look America- this tower will be the tallest now, looook please!!".

Yeah, couldn't agree more. This is actually a great looking building, and with a redesign it could definitely be more iconic, either way I would take this as NYC'S tallest over 432 park any day.

another race for the sky, like a century ago. :cheers:

Like the one we where having before, the Chicago spire called it quits on us.

It great to see NYC getting back in the skyscraper race again. By 2020 it could have 10+ supertalls(including chrysler, boa,ect).

It great to see NYC getting back in the skyscraper race again. By 2020 it could have 10+ supertalls(including chrysler, boa,ect).


Including spires there will be way more than 10, even without spires there will still be more than 10...

Like the one we where having before, the Chicago spire called it quits on us.

If you go by stupid CTBUH measurements, then technically you could say the Trump international Chicago and 1 WTC were in a race, but the Trump started and finished much quicker, so it's hard to use the word race. Give it a half decade, and we will probably have a race between Chicago and NY, the market is recovering at a fast rate, and the scale of proposals in Chicago has been increasing dramatically, so it shouldn't be too long now.

I hope so, I would love to see more big towers in Chicago and NYC!

We need them to make up for the WTC being utterly ruined in many ways.

If you go by stupid CTBUH measurements, then technically you could say the Trump international Chicago and 1 WTC were in a race, but the Trump started and finished much quicker, so it's hard to use the word race. Give it a half decade, and we will probably have a race between Chicago and NY, the market is recovering at a fast rate, and the scale of proposals in Chicago has been increasing dramatically, so it shouldn't be too long now.

That's good to know, I like Chicago's skyline a lot. NY needs a serious contender in the U.S. :cheers2:

That's good to know, I like Chicago's skyline a lot. NY needs a serious contender in the U.S. :cheers2:

Couldn't agree more, I love NYC's scale, and I love Chicago's aesthetic beauty. It's the best of both world's.

But I think we are starting to get off topic though.

hopefully the demand will continue

Nothing is forever ^^

But of course i hope that too :D

wow 1,500 ft would be amazing!! :cheer:

Nothing is forever ^^

But of course i hope that too :D


It will go on and off, but NYC will always be a hotspot for projects, people will always want the tallest building in NYC.

True, but beside NYC and Chicago, I also hope the westcoast gets some new landmarks.

It will go on and off, but NYC will always be a hotspot for projects, people will always want the tallest building in NYC.

You are absolutely right, my friend :cheers:

If you go by stupid CTBUH measurements, then technically you could say the Trump international Chicago and 1 WTC were in a race, but the Trump started and finished much quicker, so it's hard to use the word race. Give it a half decade, and we will probably have a race between Chicago and NY, the market is recovering at a fast rate, and the scale of proposals in Chicago has been increasing dramatically, so it shouldn't be too long now.

Yeah but Trump Chicago wasn't trying to be the tallest in the country. And I do go the CTBUH measurements. And if I was going call it a race, I'd include NYTT, and BOA

Including spires there will be way more than 10, even without spires there will still be more than 10...
1. ESB
2. BoA
3. Chrysler
4. NYT

5. 1 WTC
6. 2 WTC
7. 3 WTC
8. One 57
9. 432 Park

10. Hudson Yards North Office Tower
11. HY South Office Tower
12.HY mixed use building
13. Manhattan West Tower 1
14. Girasole
15. 225 W 57th
16. Tower Verre
17. 15 Penn Plaza

so 14. (bold = 300m+ w/o spire, 5-9 = u/c, 1-4 built)

If you want an iconic tower as NYC's tallest, you would be happy with 432Park Avenue.

432 Park Avenue along with 3 Hudson Boulevard and the various other projects under development continue to exceed our expectations of what can be achieved.

1. ESB
2. BoA
3. Chrysler
4. NYT

5. 1 WTC
6. 2 WTC
7. 3 WTC
8. Girasole
9. Hudson Yards North Office Tower
10. HY South Office Tower
11.HY mixed use building
12. Manhattan West Tower 1
13. One 57
14. 432 Park
15. 225 W 57th
16. Tower Verre
17. 15 Penn Plaza

so 14. (bold = 300m+ no spire, green = u/c, 1-4 built)


12 real 300m buildings , NYC is booming

Yeah but Trump Chicago wasn't trying to be the tallest in the country. And I do go the CTBUH measurements. And if I was going call it a race, I'd include NYTT, and BOA

If you go by CTBUH, (I don't, but you do),then the Trump is 423 meters, and is much taller then NYTT, BOA, and is even taller then 1 WTC, unless you count that antennae.

The antenna of the WTC will likely be counted as it's height, IE. the building will officially be the US's tallest building on the charts in architectual/official height.

Oh wait, I get it

If you plant a tree on the top of a skyscraper, with full exposure to the sun and rainwater, the tree would grow -- making it a self-growing skyscraper.

Personally, I'd rather count the technical mechanical height of the roof as the top.

Mechanical floors are okay, since they ARE a part of the building.
Spires depend on many factors.

If you go by CTBUH, (I don't, but you do),then the Trump is 423 meters, and is much taller then NYTT, BOA, and is even taller then 1 WTC, unless you count that antennae.

I'm only really interesting in whats being built here in NYC.

The antenna of the WTC will likely be counted as it's height, IE. the building will officially be the US's tallest building on the charts in architectual/official height.

You have been saying this on every thread... you sound like your life hinges on some imaginary number. It is antennae, who cares if they count it. Since it is clearly an antennae, them counting it means their system is broken. NYC will have America's tallest when they build a building with a roof height of 443+ meters. Real Height doesn't include spires and antennae's, they count for pinnacle height. They could technically put a 440 meter spire on the Sears, and call it America's tallest. I know what your thinking, you can't add a spire after a building is completed, well actually you can, they added one over 15 years after completion to a building in Dallas, and now they count it. I don't care whether NY or Chicago has the tallest, i just want it to be by real height, like this system I created http://i.imgur.com/Kdezp.jpg

Hopefully this building if it goes for tallest will get it through actual height