Construction Start: 2014 Q2 - 2016
Height: 323m | 1060ft

The GiraSole

New York, NY
Client: The Moinian Group
Completion: 2011

Situated in the heart of Manhattans newest neighborhood, the dynamic Hudson Yards District, 3 Hudson Boulevard, "The GiraSole" will be a gateway for the West Side and an icon of green architecture for the 21st Century. From its sky gardens to the reaches of the new Hudson Boulevard Park, this new 1.6 million square foot tower will be surrounded by green. Soaring to a height of over a thousand feet, it will offer unparalleled views south and west over Hudson River Park, the High Line and the new park and development of the Hudson Rail Yards. A solar power-generating tower, "The GiraSole" will set a new standard for mixed use development by uniting premium corporate offices and the most exclusive residences with the state of the art in environmentally sustainable design. The project is on track for LEED Platinum certification.
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Great, one tower more for New York... The design is very good, i Liked.
:)

first render looks nice!

I like this building. New York is truly lacking in supertalls.

Excellent project. Hope to see this one built. New York could really use another supertall. This thread needs the correct title format though.

lacking real supertalls, not highrises with cheap spires on them making them "supertalls" lol

I like the design..

This one looks really nice... Especially on the first render...:cheers:

At first glance I thought there may be a subtle homage to WTC, then the bird's eye view made me think of the Times.

Given how ambitious this project is, I think they should be asked to go back to the drawing board and come up with something truly iconic. If it was 700 feet, I'd say it's a nice additon. But at the proposed height, it will contribute to how we all see NYC in the future... so let's do better.

i thought it was taller than the Empire State, but it's because of the angle..

I like this building. New York is truly lacking in supertalls.

How do you say that?

In addition to the Empire State Building, there are two buildings under construction whose roofs -- not spires -- exceed 1,300 feet (i.e., WTC 1 and 2), one building whose roof exceeds 1,150 feet (i.e., WTC 3), one whose roof exceeds 1,000 feet (i.e., WTC 4), and one whose roof is about 950 feet (i.e., B of A). In addition, the Chrysler's roof -- not the spire -- is about 950 feet, and the roofs on 40 Wall and 80 Pine Exceed 900 feet.

Moreover, several 1,000+ foot buildings are planned around Penn Station and MSG.

Apparently, this building has been planned for quite some time.

From the NY Post's November 9, 2005 edition:


By LOIS WEISS
November 9, 2005

Joseph Moinian is another West Side fan who is putting his money where his mouth is.

We hear Moinian contracted to buy yet another Verizon building on the east side of 11th Ave. opposite Javits.

This is one of the area's four super corners, where sources say he intends to construct a soaring, 1.5 million-foot mixed-use tower that will include retail, hotel, offices and residences.

The 47,000-foot site at 555 W. 34th St. is next door to his Infinity Court apartments.

David Noonan and Jimmy Kuhn of Newmark handled the brokerage, just as they did for Moinian's Verizon purchase on 11th Ave. between 42nd and 43rd Streets.

Moinian is working there on a design for another 1.5 million square footer, next to the Costas Kondylis-designed apartment building he bought as plans from Jules Demchik and which is currently rising skyward.


Copyright 2005 NYP Holdings, Inc.

How do you say that?

In addition to the Empire State Building, there are two buildings under construction whose roofs -- not spires -- exceed 1,300 feet (i.e., WTC 1 and 2), one building whose roof exceeds 1,150 feet (i.e., WTC 3), one whose roof exceeds 1,000 feet (i.e., WTC 4), and one whose roof is about 950 feet (i.e., B of A). In addition, the Chrysler's roof -- not the spire -- is about 950 feet, and the roofs on 40 Wall and 80 Pine Exceed 900 feet.

Moreover, several 1,000+ foot buildings are planned around Penn Station and MSG.

there still lacking

...I like it, but it feel like I saw it somewhere else before ...umm

What city has more than that?

Also, don't forget the scores of buildings between 700 and 900 feet. Only HK matches NY in that regard.

What city has more than that?

Also, don't forget the scores of buildings between 700 and 900 feet. Only HK matches NY in that regard.

Dubai baby and dont forget Chicago

:) And on the next block we will have this other tall one...

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1167KPFSuperTallToPartnerEmpireStateBuilding_pic1.jpg

Girasol...

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http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1167KPFSuperTallToPartnerEmpireStateBuilding_pic1.jpg


This building's neighbor? 2 supertalls right next to each other.


Haha, the previous and poster and I posted at the same time!

Another 800 foot neighbor that's under construction:
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The twins under construction 8 streets up are nice too

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wow lovely design

wow, great New York!
fantastic! i love it.

Wow, I never even saw this one coming. Keep the supertalls coming. We'll easily have well over a dozen standing in a few years. And this design is very sleek; it will go great with that area because a lot of newer skyscrapers are going up there. I say this one looks like around 1,200 to the roof.

Looks great. Kind of a different design for Manhattan, though.

The GiraSole

New York, NY
Client: The Moinian Group
Completion: 2011

Situated in the heart of Manhattans newest neighborhood, the dynamic Hudson Yards District, 3 Hudson Boulevard, "The GiraSole" will be a gateway for the West Side and an icon of green architecture for the 21st Century. From its sky gardens to the reaches of the new Hudson Boulevard Park, this new 1.6 million square foot tower will be surrounded by green. Soaring to a height of over a thousand feet, it will offer unparalleled views south and west over Hudson River Park, the High Line and the new park and development of the Hudson Rail Yards. A solar power-generating tower, "The GiraSole" will set a new standard for mixed use development by uniting premium corporate offices and the most exclusive residences with the state of the art in environmentally sustainable design. The project is on track for LEED Platinum certification.
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Is that the NY times tower on the very left? If so then this buildings is pretty big

^^ i think it is, yeah

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1167KPFSuperTallToPartnerEmpireStateBuilding_pic1.jpg




WOW! What is this? Name, website, developer, architect, all of them, please? :)

I'm not surprised really. We have the chance to get something really cool considering it's in our new planned cbd but no, we get another glass box with shiny blue lights AGAIN. It looks like wt7, a bit, but taller. That second building (or neighbor) looks like one of the wtc towers. I'm disappointed...

This new Midtown west site will be bigger in terms of square footage, density and the proposed roof heights... than the WTC site. There is still a ninth ave. tower that has yet to be announced along with the MSG towers and hotel penn tower. Isn't there also a Javitz hotel tower?? I'm really losing track of these developments.

That area will be Amazing in a few years! Nice tower, but nothing too special

double post

(first one i've ever had!)

Yeah that proposed Javits Center hotel tower has 90 floors, but they might pick another plan that has two or three 600' towers.
NY definitely isn't behind anyone.

I love it, great building.

Maybe someone could use photoshop and put both of the towers into one picture. I'm bad at it.

WOW! What is this? Name, website, developer, architect, all of them, please? :)

That is a 2.5 million square feet tower proposed by Sherwood Equities...

http://www.sherwood-equities.com/

I walked by the site on 31 Oct. 07 and was surprised to see that excavation of this huge plot is not only active but is very well advanced. Also, directly across 34th St from this project on the south side of 34th and 11th is the site where Extell's Medical Product Center HQ will rise. Extell likely will build a great tower.

It has a sly little twist in the design. I love it because it's really subtle. No Twizzlers here, please.

Here's an article re: Extell's building that will rise across the street from this one:

COPA SITE'S NEW IDENTITY

FORMER NIGHTCLUB TO BE A CUTTING-EDGE MEDICAL SHOWROOM



August 1, 2007 -- THE former Copacabana site at the southeast corner of 34th Street and Eleventh Avenue is morphing into an approximately 1.5 million-square-foot skyscraper that could become the home of the World Product Centre, a showroom that will feature the latest in high-tech medical equipment.

WPC is the brainchild of Israel Green, who has just signed a letter of intent with Gary Barnett for a "full 1 million square feet," which will be about 70 percent of this new Extell Development project.

The 45- to 50-story building is being designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox with WPC innards by FXFowle Architects.

Green is still evaluating the costs of environmentally friendly construction but laughed, "It will make me happier because my name is Green."

Already, Green has $100 million from Hewlett-Packard to install the latest devices into what will become a sales and educational center for diagnostics, equipment and supporting systems tied to the medical field.

John Powers of CB Richard Ellis worked with Green on finding a location but didn't return a call for comment.

The WPC Web site has to be updated. It still shows the FXFowle-designed SJP Properties office tower at 11 Times Square as its future home.

Green explained that L-shaped building didn't work for his needs. The new one would be ready in 2012.

Copyright 2007 NYP Holdings, Inc.

I'm already feeling this supertall. It's like an upgraded 4WTC, the underrated Maki tower.


New York's time to shine at the top again will be here soon.

Maybe someone could use photoshop and put both of the towers into one picture. I'm bad at it.

normally i'm not this bad at it lol but i dunno i got carried away and then crossed the point of no return and said screw it :|
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That's most likely a little better than anything I could do! NY is looking good, and that doesn't even include the possible MSG project and many other planned supertalls!

wonderful, 1000ft and without any spire :)

Scumonkey posted on WNY the following photo of construction occurring on 1 Nov. 07:

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/inside-peek-looking-south-west.jpg

Has this one allready started...??

Has this one allready started...??

Yes. Out of nowhere!!!

please let that be true :)!

NYGuy posted this map on WNY to show where the Girasole sits in relation to other planned projects:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88233817/original.jpg

^^^^ this area is going to rock in just a few years. can't wait!!

Sorry but I don't see what the excitement is about. To me this looks like a very dull tower that isn't exceptional for anything except its sheer size. It would look better in Chicago or Houston.

^^It is comments like that that make me wonder sometimes. What makes it look better in Chicago or Houston and if it were I bet you would go "OMG THIS IS A GREAT DESIGN"!!!

NYGuy posted this map on WNY to show where the Girasole sits in relation to other planned projects:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88233817/original.jpg

WOW! A Great Project! And look at those proposed projects! I can't wait to see NYC Skyline in 7 years!

This is for real. Site Prep or U/C needs to be added to the title. This baby is just the start. We'll see many more new supertalls in NY.

^^It is comments like that that make me wonder sometimes. What makes it look better in Chicago or Houston and if it were I bet you would go "OMG THIS IS A GREAT DESIGN"!!!

I agree with wajz. This project design is not amazing at all. We've seen this countless times already, even someone else said it looked like a wtc tower. We deserve better. Of course this doesn't mean I'm against the project...



ALL HAIL THE BLUE BOX! :master:

Yes. Out of nowhere!!!

What do you mean with ut of nowhere? there must been some rumors etc... about such a tall tower. So its already uc. man NYC wonders me. what a construction boom.

was there ever a such boom in NYC before?

This will be the biggest skyscraper boom in NYC's history. You should get used to supertalls coming out of no where without any rumors. Think Dubai style.

The NIMBYs didn't even have enough time to yell out, "No!"

Wow, already site prep and hardly anyone knows of it's existance. The design is okay, what I like more is that this building won't have a silly spire on top :).

i love the design! this is nice for NY!

was there ever a such boom in NYC before?

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5955/ussmacon3iq9rz3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

how's this for a boom?

Scumonkey posted on WNY the following photo of construction occurring on 1 Nov. 07:

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/inside-peek-looking-south-west.jpg

Already under construction. Simply amazing!!!
Does anyone know the exact height and number of floors? Great looking project, by the way.

The NIMBYs didn't even have enough time to yell out, "No!"

And Lets Keep it that way in New York! :cheers:

very elegant looking.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5955/ussmacon3iq9rz3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

how's this for a boom?

Well that doesn't show that the boom was also downtown; it gave us amazing towers not only like Mrs. ESB, but also towers like 40 Wall Street, all trying to be a WTB.

This current boom will still be much larger, though...

http://www.vazyvite.com/photo_us/newyork/jour4/40_wall_jp_morgan.jpg



I just really don't like the name of this new supertall.

Even though the name GiraSole sounds like some sort of foot medicine, I really love this tower. This is how to make a gracefull, classy building. Simple, clean, and modern through and through. I love it.

100% true. ^ I couldn't agree more. The new towers in this area are making me hard. I really think that this one has a lot of beauty; it is what Maki quasi-failed to do for 4WTC.

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DAMN!!! This thing came out of nowhere! And what a looker too. It's about time developers woke up and started to exploit the Far West Side. The area is just loaded with places that could be developed.

O deng..I realized that this thing has a slight twist. I love that surprise.

Wow, such a great proposal. I think it will fit into the New york skyline very nicely. :)

^I'm not sure, but I think it's approved since people say that there are many pieces of heavy machinery preping the site already. This may be the fastest supertall in NY history.

WOW !!! This tower is so nice , I am really impressed

This is going to give a fresh taste to NY !

How do you say that?

In addition to the Empire State Building, there are two buildings under construction whose roofs -- not spires -- exceed 1,300 feet (i.e., WTC 1 and 2), one building whose roof exceeds 1,150 feet (i.e., WTC 3), one whose roof exceeds 1,000 feet (i.e., WTC 4), and one whose roof is about 950 feet (i.e., B of A). In addition, the Chrysler's roof -- not the spire -- is about 950 feet, and the roofs on 40 Wall and 80 Pine Exceed 900 feet.

Moreover, several 1,000+ foot buildings are planned around Penn Station and MSG.

meh....I don't like the new WTC project, I still want the old towers back. New York is mainly a mid-rise city with the tallest buildings cheating with spires.

New York needs some Dubai sized buildings. It's New York.


Anyway not to get off topic but this will be a perfect addition to the New York City skyline.

NY doesn't need shit to compare to Dubai, and it ain't no freaking "mid-rise city." Not even counting spires, by 2012, NY will have over 25 buildings with roofs over 800'. Without the WTC and all these planned supertalls, anyone with a brain will tell you that it is of a better quality and much more dense. Just because no buildings with a roof over 1,600' are in view doesn't mean it won't happen.

Notice how this project came from no where.

[QUOTE=FM 2258;16236450]..New York is mainly a mid-rise city with the tallest buildings cheating with spires.
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Auston might be a mid-rise city but New York? You need to get your head checked.

I like the name GiraSole haha, even though it sounds like a foot medicine.

I love the building but i dislike the Sherwood one.:/

New York will shine again!

meh....I don't like the new WTC project, I still want the old towers back. New York is mainly a mid-rise city with the tallest buildings cheating with spires.

New York needs some Dubai sized buildings. It's New York.


Anyway not to get off topic but this will be a perfect addition to the New York City skyline.

Chicago is mainly a midrise city. As I said, NY has way more buildings between 700 and 800 feet than any city. Only, HK comapares to it.

Again with the 'cheating' spires... please I'm getting so sick and tired of hearing that crap.

Even though the name GiraSole sounds like some sort of foot medicine, I really love this tower. This is how to make a gracefull, classy building. Simple, clean, and modern through and through. I love it.

Girasole means Sunflower in Italian :) (it's read Girasolae btw)

Sorry but... It's just OK. The inside will be wonderful, no doubt, but the exterior design would need a bit more extravagance.
Plus, two (nice-ish) boxes right next to each other will look a bit too stocky.
What makes a skyline great is indeed high and density, but shape and height differences (hell!!... even spires sometimes...) are healthy for the general look. And even more importantly, a cetain amount of space between the most predominant buildings of a city only helps them to come out even better.

Look at Dubai (at the moment and apart from Burj Dubai) and compare it to say... Frankfurt. A huge skyline with a quasi-continuous 300 meter roof is not better than smaller (still big though) but better 'organised' buldings.
It's my opinion only. But Chicago is close to perfection due to the reasons explained above.

So yeah! Go for the big boxy green one NY, but careful not to just create a cluttered glass wall just for the sake of it.
Hopefully, the rest of the Hudson Yard development will help to bring some harmony into what's heading for a rushed pack of common-looking buildings.

^^ That is how NYC does it. If you want buildings seperated by parks or plazas and not right next to eachother, then you can keep loving your Dubai way of building things. NYC has been building like this for decades and it will still do it like that. They want to use as much space as possible and not waste any square feet. I love these type of skyscrapers canyons that it creates in the city. :cheers:

Both of these towers will be actually seperated by a green boulevard...

http://www.pbase.com/image/77181792.jpg

One is on Site 1 facing 10th Ave and the GiraSole tower will be facing 11th Ave.

I like the name GiraSole haha, even though it sounds like a foot medicine.

I love the building but i dislike the Sherwood one.:/

New York will shine again!

Don't think it actually ever stopped shining (even during the '29 crisis new york built wonderful skyscrapers (like the rockfeller complex).

I think this building is actually a great addition, it has that simple design but very futuristic without the excessive use of glass, similar in a way to the new york times building.
I love it, and it wont be an isolated tower (looking at the great projects that are planned).
Great New York, this was really a nice surprise!:)

reminds me a little of the fed in boston

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/FederalReserveBankBuildingBoston.jpg/300px-FederalReserveBankBuildingBoston.jpg

I respect your opinion, but how does a 1,000 foot tower with a torqued, twisting body and luminous glass resemble a 350-400 foot concrete box?

I respect your opinion, but how does a 1,000 foot tower with a torqued, twisting body and luminous glass resemble a 350-400 foot concrete box?

i'll have you know that's a 600 foot concrete box!

but the design of it is totally different to the GiraSole ^^

We're a mid-size city now, eh? That's the illusion that people get when they see n.y but actually many buildings are taller than those in many cities. It's just that when you have too many of the same tall buildngs cluttered together, none stand out! Again, I hope the new projects on the far west side have more interesting designs than this one...

don't think the designs will be more interesting. in NY counts the space, and to get much space you need a boxy tower ;)

wow...so many projects going on in New York...nice to more in the Supertall thread:)..any way how much more will be goin on in New York jus this year...think New York needs its own forum...LOL.:lol:

We're a mid-size city now, eh? That's the illusion that people get when they see n.y but actually many buildings are taller than those in many cities. It's just that when you have too many of the same tall buildngs cluttered together, none stand out! Again, I hope the new projects on the far west side have more interesting designs than this one...


Yeah, the people saying that kind of stuff obviously have never been to New York City, and also seem to be forgetting the destruction of 2 of the city's super talls.

This project is impressive, but after the virtual cancellation of the MSG towers I'm a bit reticent about getting excited over this, but hopefully it will go ahead. The glass box is getting a bit ubiquitous, but done competently, and given a sufficiently monumental site (as this has- few neighbours of similar hight) they have a great elegance.

I like the project. Very Cool, very Calvin Klein.

i luv sis tower

Even though the name GiraSole sounds like some sort of foot medicine, I really love this tower. This is how to make a gracefull, classy building. Simple, clean, and modern through and through. I love it.
Girasol means sunflower in SPanish..

Girasole (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helianthus_annuus) is an italian word, and it means Sunflower.

So the name of this building is an italian one not Spanish.

haha okay, i didnt see the "E"

haha okay, i didnt see the "E"

yeah, spanish and italian are the same.. they're latin languages!

^^ That is how NYC does it. If you want buildings seperated by parks or plazas and not right next to eachother, then you can keep loving your Dubai way of building things. NYC has been building like this for decades and it will still do it like that. They want to use as much space as possible and not waste any square feet. I love these type of skyscrapers canyons that it creates in the city. :cheers:

Exactly, and that was/is the only true purpose of a skyscraper, it is used to max office or any other space and not for height and design boasting buildings sitting in the middle of nowhere. In this regard NYC is the definite winner !

We're a mid-size city now, eh? That's the illusion that people get when they see n.y but actually many buildings are taller than those in many cities....

I agree. Chicago is an example. Most buildings in its skyline are 500 feet tall and less. Most in NY's are between 600 and 750.

I like, great desing

Sunflower Tower, I like it!

amazing skyscraper! great addition to midtown

It's not very original and it's not that kind you building you look and say:"Wow,that's f****ng impressive!",but still good anyway.NYC is definitely building tall again,now it's time to build :drool: buildings.

Great addition to the skyline!

normally i'm not this bad at it lol but i dunno i got carried away and then crossed the point of no return and said screw it :|
http://localdyersburg.com/lol.jpg

Well, it gives us an idea of how they'll look together. From what I was able to calculate a few months ago, the "other" tower is slightly misplaced in their own rendering anyways.

Good job.

Anyone have a floor count.? I count 75. (50 office, from ground, and 25 res. with a possible extra 2 above that for mechanical, total 77 floors...............???

Anywhere from 70-85 sounds right. A proposed tower close to this one has over 90 floors and isn't even 1,000 feet tall! It all depends. I don't really care about floor count; volume is more important.

Nice tower. It seems that this part of NY is really booming with all these new towers. :cheers:

NYguy:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88421199/medium.jpg

^^ That is how NYC does it. If you want buildings seperated by parks or plazas and not right next to eachother, then you can keep loving your Dubai way of building things. NYC has been building like this for decades and it will still do it like that. They want to use as much space as possible and not waste any square feet. I love these type of skyscrapers canyons that it creates in the city.


Why do you get all upset like that? Re-read my post (page 4) and I might not need to sum it up by saying again that those two buildings are good indeed, but could be more of a statement by themselves, without even talking about what impact they could have if only slightly further apart from each other.

Here, Phobos put it quite well in his own way (Phobos, if I may?):

It's not very original and it's not that kind you building you look and say:"Wow,that's f****ng impressive!",but still good anyway.NYC is definitely building tall again,now it's time to build :drool: buildings.

And if Hudson Yard isn't NY's best opportunity in long time (well actually... Ground Zero?) to build ":drool: buildings", I don't know what is?

This is a great looking tower!

I'm happy to see it is not cheating on the height front with a massive antenna on the top ;)

This one IS legit!

:tiasd:

any news on this one ??

Well they are still working on the site.

OMG! New York is going up high! This will look great, but hey better fill up the space between Central Park and the Business District!

Fucking beautiful! But i dont like how this tower will overshadow our ESB. I like how ESB sits on its own. If its overshadowed then the skyline wont look as common... Hmmm maybe SOME sort of height restriction in NY in certain areas is good - seriously. But tower looks great. Mid-town is going crazy hu!?

^ Sorry you feel that way, but that seems to be the only area that some buildings can go as tall. There are more restrictions and NIMBYs elsewhere in NYC unfortunatelly.

Fucking beautiful! But i dont like how this tower will overshadow our ESB. I like how ESB sits on its own. If its overshadowed then the skyline wont look as common... Hmmm maybe SOME sort of height restriction in NY in certain areas is good - seriously. But tower looks great. Mid-town is going crazy hu!?

You know what?....just shut up.

Passed by the site on my way to the Rangers game in Jersey yesterday - they're just starting on the prep work, of course (it seems, at least - not sure exactly where in the schedule they are). Still, I've never seen a tower be announced and then start prep work so fast.

Fucking beautiful! But i dont like how this tower will overshadow our ESB. I like how ESB sits on its own. If its overshadowed then the skyline wont look as common... Hmmm maybe SOME sort of height restriction in NY in certain areas is good - seriously. But tower looks great. Mid-town is going crazy hu!?

Want could be better than a 381 m tower beiing overshadowed by others? :cool:

...Unless that 381 m tower had great cultural significance.

On the other hand that culturally significant 381m tower is in a CBD, so we can't compare it to, say building some supertall office tower beside the Eiffel Tower.

Passed by the site on my way to the Rangers game in Jersey yesterday - they're just starting on the prep work, of course (it seems, at least - not sure exactly where in the schedule they are). Still, I've never seen a tower be announced and then start prep work so fast.

Especially in NYC, so I guess we should take that as a plus:lol:

Fucking beautiful! But i dont like how this tower will overshadow our ESB. I like how ESB sits on its own. If its overshadowed then the skyline wont look as common... Hmmm maybe SOME sort of height restriction in NY in certain areas is good - seriously. But tower looks great. Mid-town is going crazy hu!?

If i'm not wrong, this is the other side of MSG so is actually quite far from ESB. I don't think it will have thqat much of an impact even with the others I see proposed for that area. If the cluster moves futher east then maybe.

If i'm not wrong, this is the other side of MSG so is actually quite far from ESB....

That's correct.

The Empire State Building may only be 1250 feet officially, but it is 1450 (442m) feet to the tip of the antenna. I don't see how anybody thinks a 1000 ft building will overshadow it. That's nonsense.

at the moment there is not tower which will overshaow it, that's clear....but maybe in the future

The Empire State Building may only be 1250 feet officially, but it is 1450 (442m) feet to the tip of the antenna. I don't see how anybody thinks a 1000 ft building will overshadow it. That's nonsense.

It's not a mater of 'overshadowing it', but the simple fact that it will not be as proeminent from every angle (almost) as it is now; and that's a shame in a way.

depending on the angle, a 3 story building could block the view of ESB ~_~

yes, when you're standing in front of the 3-storey building :lol:

Scumonkey posted on WNY the following photo of construction occurring on 1 Nov. 07:

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/inside-peek-looking-south-west.jpg

Every Supertall starts with a wheel barrow!

Just look at that crazy old thing, it even has wooden arms.

What's the record for building a Supertall?

which record? speed? the fastest skyscraper ever build was the ESB and that will be forever :)

Are beautiful buildings,i hope than São Paulo change and be normal like the other city with your highrises!!

Congratulation NY

:cheers:

^^ If the Brazilian economy keeps growing and Lula keeps supporting free-market initiatives, it'll just be a matter of time. :)

I really like this tower but it does in many ways invade the ESB skyline presence.

meh....I don't like the new WTC project, I still want the old towers back. New York is mainly a mid-rise city with the tallest buildings cheating with spires.

New York needs some Dubai sized buildings. It's New York.


Anyway not to get off topic but this will be a perfect addition to the New York City skyline.

You are so right! With New York City full of so many small buildings I can see the World Headquarters and General Secretariat of the United Nations, the New York Stock Exchange, the American Stock Exchange, the World Bank, the New York Mercantile Exchange, the Metropolitan Museum of Art (the largest art collection in the world - surpassing the Louvre), the Guggenheim Museum (the architectural masterpiece by Frank Lloyd Wright) the American Museum of Natural History (the largest single museum building in the world), the Metropolitan Opera, Carnegie Hall, the Lincoln Center of Perporming Arts, the Hayden Planetarium (largest in the world), Saint Patrick's Cathedral, Grand Central Station, the Cathedral of St. John the Divine (the largest Gothic Cathedral in the world), Temple Emanu-El (the largest Synogogue in the world), it's three airports, it's many colleges and universities like Columbia, NYU, Hunter, Fordham, etc;the Federal Reserve Bank (contains more gold than anyplace in the world - including Fort Knox), etc etc etc ..... all packing their bags and picking up to move to Dubai!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course all the trees in Central Park, Riverside Park, Bryant Park will die in the hot desert of Dubai, but who cares??? Dubai has the tallest building in the world and that makes it a world class city!

:crazy2: :yes: :hahano: :nuts: :lol: :colgate: :tongue4: :tongue3::hahaha: :wink2:

You are so right! With New York City full of so many small buildings I can see the World Headquarters and General Secretariat of the United Nations, the New York Stock Exchange, the American Stock Exchange, the World Bank, the New York Mercantile Exchange, the Metropolitan Museum of Art (the largest art collection in the world - surpassing the Louvre), the Guggenheim Museum (the architectural masterpiece by Frank Lloyd Wright) the American Museum of Natural History (the largest single museum building in the world), the Metropolitan Opera, Carnegie Hall, the Lincoln Center of Perporming Arts, the Hayden Planetarium (largest in the world), Saint Patrick's Cathedral, Grand Central Station, the Cathedral of St. John the Divine (the largest Gothic Cathedral in the world), Temple Emanu-El (the largest Synogogue in the world), it's three airports, it's many colleges and universities like Columbia, NYU, Hunter, Fordham, etc;the Federal Reserve Bank (contains more gold than anyplace in the world - including Fort Knox), etc etc etc ..... all packing their bags and picking up to move to Dubai!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course all the trees in Central Park, Riverside Park, Bryant Park will die in the hot desert of Dubai, but who cares??? Dubai has the tallest building in the world and that makes it a world class city!

:crazy2: :yes: :hahano: :nuts: :lol: :colgate: :tongue4: :tongue3::hahaha: :wink2:
:lol::lol:


Is it approved? because the tittle says "PREP" (preparation?)

The first rendering... The building looks like one of those buildings in Singapore's skyline or Dubai's skyline.

Anyway, I'm excited for NYC now!

this hudson yard project looks awesome

depending on the angle, a 3 story building could block the view of ESB ~_~Very good point! :okay:

another great tower for NYC!

This tower will be the first to rise on the outskirts of the Hudson Yards. Just another 300 meter tall building.

This tower will be the first to rise on the outskirts of the Hudson Yards. Just another 300 meter tall building.


In fact, I think this is inside the Hudson Center, but not a part of it.

Yea your right ... the GiraSole can be seen in the Vornando Hudson Yard plan because FX&Fowle designed them both. However, as you said the GiraSole will be built no matter what project for the Hudson Yards is chosen.

The same is true for that other 236m tower by Extell.

the almost imperceptible twits is perfect. hope it rises fast...

Is this for real? Anyways great tower.

They've already started with the prep???

Wow, they certainly don't waste any time.

I love this tower:cheers: new york is awesome

can anyone add this tower to Emporis?

looks great, would be very windy in their out door swimming pools

Yeah but in NY sometimes in the summer it can be over 90 to even over 100 degrees and wind sometimes makes it worse, and in winter it can be very cold too.

90 degrees airtemperature???

^^ Yes in Fahrenheit.

Whether this building or any other may dominate the ESB all depends on where your looking from...its all a perspective thing....see! http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2795/dsc09716oe2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By redbaron_012 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/redbaron_012)

^^Yeah. But it's nice to have a good view were ESB dominates. Obviously from some angles it gets dominated but its good to have uninterupted views of ESB. The Girasole will dominate a view from an angle that was once dominated by the ESB for years.

It still dominates from most angles. It's not only the height, but the width. Many towers get thinner towards the top, but up until the spire the ESB is still incredibly wide. While only 200 feet shorter, the Chrysler Building doesn't have nearly as much of a profound effect on the skyline because it is narrow in comparison.

Yeah but in NY sometimes in the summer it can be over 90 to even over 100 degrees and wind sometimes makes it worse, and in winter it can be very cold too.

I was there one summer when it was like 102 air temperature and with the humidity, it felt like 111!!

^^Yeah. But it's nice to have a good view were ESB dominates. Obviously from some angles it gets dominated but its good to have uninterupted views of ESB. The Girasole will dominate a view from an angle that was once dominated by the ESB for years.

give it a rest. the ESB has "dominated" for almost 80 years, move on. :sly:

nice design. great add to n.y.c

i am in love with new york skyline.

give it a rest. the ESB has "dominated" for almost 80 years, move on. :sly:

Impossible not to quote this comment. It explaines everything I think. Thank you!:)

Few buildings in the world rival the ESB. No matter how many times people say "height is not everything," most people take it as the only indicator of beauty.

And the ESB will still dominate. It all depends from what angle you are looking at it from.

the ESB will first no longer dominate the skyline until the tower is framed by supertalls :lol:

And the ESB will still dominate. It all depends from what angle you are looking at it from.

No matter what is built around ESB, ESB will still be the ultimate skyscraper. It's one of the most famous buildings on earth and 9 times out of 10, when you ask people what's the first building you think of when you say the word 'skyscraper' they will say Empire State Building.

But no matter how important ESB is, you can't expect nothing tall to be built around it forever.

No matter what is built around ESB, ESB will still be the ultimate skyscraper. It's one of the most famous buildings on earth and 9 times out of 10, when you ask people what's the first building you think of when you say the word 'skyscraper' they will say Empire State Building.

But no matter how important ESB is, you can't expect nothing tall to be built around it forever.

True Dat

I don't think the whole ESB thing is much more than an excuse for NY NIMBYs.

impressive project.

Anyone else notice how the Girasole looks alot similar to a building in one of the Vornado/Durst proposal renderings for the west side railyards?
Girasole:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9264/66j67lvvr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Vornado/Durst proposal rendering:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/448/89193182qr0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Now that you say that, it kinda does. nice call.

Gumshoe, that's because they are the same.

oh, whoops...

hahaha

It may be because Vornado/Durst somehow owns the site. The Moinian Group is also building a 50+ story skyscraper next to WTC Tower 5 and its foundations were completed this week.

^^ oh, great news.

Like we've said before, it's very likely that this is going up no matter who wins the bid for Hudson Yards, and next to this tower, you have the planned Sherwood office tower, another supertall, and lots of other stuff too. For this city, the coming years hold too much to currently fully understand.

^^ I wish we had that problem ;)

Like we've said before, it's very likely that this is going up no matter who wins the bid for Hudson Yards, and next to this tower, you have the planned Sherwood office tower, another supertall, and lots of other stuff too. For this city, the coming years hold too much to currently fully understand.

I was to understand that this project is not part of the Hudson Yards, and is going up as we speak...!!!

This building is fantastic! A symphony of modernism and minimalism.

Ebola could you post a render of the sherwood office tower please?

Or do we have already a thread for it?

January 6th by NYguy:

JANUARY 6, 2008

All clear, ready for site prep...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/91354318/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/91354320/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/91354323/large.jpg

great, ready to fly up:)

not yet ^^, first they've to build the foundation :)

Do you think this or 1WTC will rise first?

Oh nevermind, FT has more built already right? Which one will top out first.

FT will rise first and will also top out first ^^. the foundation is done on FT but not on the GiraSole....they haven't started with it yet :)

Great looking project!

Can anyone confirm the twin towers? That, if something, is great news!

The GiraSole looks very nice too. That design is quite unique and it has something new. I'm guessing the scale in the first rendering is wrong. Especially if the tower behind it is The Empire State Building. But it's not unusual to have renderings where the tower seems to be higher than it actually will be.

I think someone over at Skyscraperpage said what other city on earth besides Chicago can build 300+ meter background supertalls... my thoughts exactly, this is just a side project for what is to come over the next decade for the Hudson Yards Megaproject.

Ebola could you post a render of the sherwood office tower please?

Or do we have already a thread for it?


I posted it on the first page. I'm 99% sure that it is indeed another supertall, but it's somewhere in the high-rise section.

Talking about background supertalls, 4WTC, now u/c, which has a lot in common with this tower in terms of shape, may also serve as another simple background supertall in this city.

I like this building. New York is truly lacking in supertalls.

I agree. Has enough towers, needs more supertalls. New York needs to get it together, too much red tape. Pioneering spirit is so lacking in NYC construction. And don't blame the economy. The Empire State Building shot up like a rocket in 1930/31 and that was the great depression. Glad to see some preparations for a new supertower. Cheers :cheers:

After all, we did lose two of our supertalls, remember? The supertalls are comin, guys. You'll see...

NY lost 2 but will get 3 back on the same site :D


edit:

posted by NYguy, you can see the digging on the left:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2053/1881306036_11e2805887_b.jpg

I think the end of a train station :)

That's a really small piece of land for such a tall tower.

What is all that in the middle of the pic?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=548689


Hudson Rail Yard

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edit for romanamerican: i wanted to post the same as webeagle12 ;)

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^^ ??

What does that mean?

Response to ZZ

Thank you, I thought I had lost part of the conversation...was starting to get worried:nuts:

Still, this tower will certainly add another apex to the midtown skyline, and the site is a good size, the mass should be like the Trump world tower, in white, on the westside......

yea this building will really tower over the area! welll until hudson yards is built :p

Looking good, i like it...:cheers:

I think things are going well. The Hudson Yards thing is moving ahead too. Just to make things clear, this building is not 1,000 feet or 305 meters, it's OVER 1,000 feet or 305 meters. It could be over 305m by 4 feet; it could be over 300m by 100 feet. There's nothing to compare it to and it's pointless to try to count floors and see a height from that.


As a side note, Tishman won the bid to build the Hudson Center. I don't think it will have much of an influence over this skyscraper, but it's a part of the area's masterplan. They are planning on building about nine res skyscrapers, and two pairs of twin towers, one pair around 900 feet tall and the other pair around 1,100 feet tall. The four main skyscrapers could make it one of the largest or second-largest office complex in the world behind lower Manhattan's WTC if they get what they want and build in the area of ten million square feet of office space. But they may be forced to make one of the four towers res or partly res depending on the pre-construction deals they make now. No matter what, the City of New York wins. Within the next decade or so, about ten buildings over 800 feet tall and more will be built within this area west of the ESB.

The towers here are only said to be massings, but even they seem like they would work. All of these plans will give life to the fourth largest CBD in the nation, with two of them already on the island.

http://i31.tinypic.com/k1dym0.jpg

Been a while since anyone's taking any pics of the site... so I took some today:) Not great pics but here they are (they're kinda big):

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/NYOS87/106_0465.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/NYOS87/106_0466.jpg

^^^^ good pics, thank you:)

I'm sure it'll change in the future but at the moment in looks like this tower is build in a sea of lowrise.

Thanks!!!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2053/1881306036_11e2805887_b.jpg


Hasn't there been an Absolut advert made with this location?
If not, they should make one quickly!

Absolut Skyscraper Dominance

This tower is beautiful and elegant.

Hasn't there been an Absolut advert made with this location?
If not, they should make one quickly!

Im confused as to what that means? British talk? Or are you talking about the alcohol?

Yeah he was talking about the liquor:lol: For some reason I think they have made an ad with that, but I was searching on Google to see if I could find it and I didn't.

Yeah he was talking about the liquor:lol: For some reason I think they have made an ad with that, but I was searching on Google to see if I could find it and I didn't.

I've seen it as an absolute ad, but i'm pretty sure it was fake

^^

I have to photoshop one if I can't find the one your mentioning.


Im confused as to what that means? British talk? Or are you talking about the alcohol?

Sure! What else would I be talking about?

It was absolut controversy.

^^ Absolutely... :yes:

I like the design of this building it's a box with a lil twist. I'm sure people realize the city by that a mean Manhattan is running out of room. But alot of people don't realize theirs much more city to build on. Now must people don't want to see skyscrapers in Brooklyn Queens or the Bronx for that matter. But I say all the land that outlines Manhattan should be covered in Supertall buildings. From yankee stadium to the Brooklyn bridge. I mean it that or start knocking down some of the smaller older buildings. But they've been doing that for about 200 years.

This building is gonna look amazing when its finished or at least well above the 20th floor construction it will stand freely by itself with all the lowrise buildings surrounding it.

NOOOOOOOOOO!

^^
:wtf::sly:

NOOOOOOOOOO!

would you please explain?? :weird:

I passed by today. They were doing some blasting. I could have gotten better pics because the gates were open, but there were construction workers all over the place so I didn't take any better pics...

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/NYOS87/106_0500.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/NYOS87/106_0502.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/NYOS87/106_0504.jpg

Also right across the street, the Extell site. The previous building has been demolished for the most part. There's still a part of the first floor left up but I couldn't get a good pic of it.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/NYOS87/106_0499.jpg

Woah that's fast; it really is getting done.

hope we can soon change the title to UC :cheers:

Great tower, crap name.

wow they have all ready started installing the steels. i bet this one will finish before freedom tower :D

That isn't work for the building. Ebola you should know better. Look at that second to last pic that were posted, notice the MTA sign? They are digging for the 7 line extention.

Also notice the union sign. Union 17: Tunnel Workers.

That isn't work for the building. Ebola you should know better. Look at that second to last pic that were posted, notice the MTA sign? They are digging for the 7 line extention.

Also notice the union sign. Union 17: Tunnel Workers.

Wrong, the location is wright!

look on those pics:

You will see a brown building at the foreground en just behind a little white tapering craper to the rooftop!
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8203/4444iz3.jpg


You will see the exactly this buildings in the same position against the GIRASOL. The Girasol is exact on the left of this buildings!
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8949/44pp7.jpg

Maybe it's just that the line will pass under the GiraSole... I mean we've been taking pics of the same site for months, and the rendering shows it there, so it can't be wrong.

it's definitely the right location

You clearly all took me out of context. I didn't say this wasn't the right PLOT I said the WORK was not for the building.

On another forum (probably WNY), a forum member had asked a contracter when Girasole was going to come out of the ground. The contractor answered that the work being done is NOT for the building but for the 7 line extension. The building will not be built until after the line has been put up.

So yes this is the site, however the steel is for the 7 line launch box.

EDIT: Here is the link thanks to NYGUY's post in SSP qouting scumonkey (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=222016&postcount=73):

My Bad.....
i went by the site today and saw a lot of construction.
There was a foreman there that was nice enough to stop
what he was doing and answer some of my questions.
All the work that is presently going on at this site is completely
unrelated to the Girasole.
What looked to be the start of its foundation is actually the
station stop for the new # 7 line.
He also told me that if there still was going to be a building
located here, they couldn't start on it for at least 5 more years.
That's how long they expected it would take for them to finish
this part of the subway extension.

on another note....
The entire little park just across the street to the north, is now
completely barricaded around it's perimeter ready to be dug up.

ok ok, you're right :D....i read a bit wrong ^^. so i think the title should no longer be PREP....better a mod will change it to APP ( or even PRO? )

Nice tower for New York... ;)

You clearly all took me out of context. I didn't say this wasn't the right PLOT I said the WORK was not for the building.

On another forum (probably WNY), a forum member had asked a contracter when Girasole was going to come out of the ground. The contractor answered that the work being done is NOT for the building but for the 7 line extension. The building will not be built until after the line has been put up.

So yes this is the site, however the steel is for the 7 line launch box.

EDIT: Here is the link thanks to NYGUY's post in SSP qouting scumonkey (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=222016&postcount=73):

Oh ok, I thought that's what you meant.

On another forum (probably WNY), a forum member had asked a contracter when Girasole was going to come out of the ground. The contractor answered that the work being done is NOT for the building but for the 7 line extension. The building will not be built until after the line has been put up.

Thanks for the update! :okay:

great design

A supertall next to Hotel New Yorker, amazing (i slept there a few nights). Hopefully it will hapen again when this beauty is grown up :)

this isn't really near the new yorker... is it? i think its many blocks west

^^ Sort of. Not really many blocks away, just 2 or 3 really really loooong blocks.

Nice Project and Design.

great location, this really will jazz up that area.

i wish the other building was across the street not next door, it would look better on the skyline

great location, this really will jazz up that area.

i wish the other building was across the street not next door, it would look better on the skyline
what do you mean jazz up isnt 34 street already crowded enough. Why do we need twice the rush hour

its on the far west side :shrug:

@ ElVoltageDR

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/NYOS87/106_0504.jpg

Any updates from the site?

It will be gorgeous.

i saw went to look at an apartment around that area, i thought the address was 30th and 10th was quite disappointed with the area, but i guess a few blocks can make a big difference, i might go to the site today, got nothing better todo.

can i see an update on this, and the tower next to it

i still say this project is amazing and will add to the growth of midtown!

can someone tell me the tower that is proposed next to the Gira Sole?

From Derek @ SSP

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2599671626_b96540736b_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3014/2599671624_17a124b3f0_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/2599671634_d45bdb4b7f_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/2599671614_b5a0faecaf_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2331/2599671622_e6b04c4cb5_o.jpg

Girasol far left!
http://www.pbase.com/image/89193230.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/image/89193230.jpg

The project ^^ looks very nice, instead of the pic 3 pages back...

yeah I would have like it, if those towers at hudson yard won. But what can you do. when these thing starting.

I'd imagine it's gonna take awhile for the subway line through being built there to be completed.

can someone tell me the tower that is proposed next to the Gira Sole?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=701306&highlight=New+York

Like the twins, nice clean classic style.................

Yeah i was going to ask what building those are. but those pictures were taking months ago and have little or nothing to do with this project.

Very cool design ! So elegant and with nice height.

this sounds weird, because you're a mod and all, but could you knock it off skyperu34?

every time i see one of these old threads i feel a rush of excitement, hoping that there is some good news, then i'm crushed when all i see is "Cool building!" or "great shape!".