I'm guessing this will start another apple verses the world debate but what the heck eh...!!

Whos getting one?

didnt know they were here already, saw more advertising when they were released in America. As an apple hater i feel disgusted to say that they look like a fantastic product, but i wont be buying one, im on pay as you go and have a phone worth approximately £10. Besides im sure there are cheaper phones that do just as much stuff

already have one :P

If I can unlock it from O2 and stick my Vodafone sim in it then yes.

If Apples going to keep pissing around with updates trying to brick everyone's unlocked phones then no.

It would be too much of a dissappointment compared to my Nokia N95. Not exactly what you would call an 'upgrade' :D

a) can't be bothered
b) Would have to switch from orange
c) it'd be a shit load of effort to get my number moved
d) expensive to run
e) expensive to buy.
f) don't need it

I've not got anything against the I-phone, infact I'd love to have one. It'd just be so much hassle and cost, and I don't really need it.

It would be too much of a dissappointment compared to my Nokia N95. Not exactly what you would call an 'upgrade' :D

I have the N95 and I can truly say I regret getting it. Its a "not thought through phone".....

The battery life is the worst i've ever had on a phone, the gps works when it wants too, the camera quality is no better than the 3mp SE K800i, crashes all the time, all the stupid animations make it run slow.

The phone is WACK!

Well, you've been unlucky then. My N95 has been flawless and the battery is more than good enough, you can always charge it every night anyway. The GPS is the best feature for me, along with WLAN. I never use the camera. Don't know what animations you're talking about... there are none on my N95 (if you mean those in music mode, they can be turned off).

How fast would the net be on it is my question...

I already have a mobile phone.

http://www.mobidom.ru/pics/photos/nokia3410_big.jpg

How fast would the net be on it is my question...

If your using it over wifi it'll be as fast as your pc, no idea how fast it'll be over O2's EDGE network though.

God damn you apple why doesn't it have 3G. :bash:
And why is the camera only 2MP :bash:
And why doesn't it record video. :bash:
And why no podcasts video the iTunes store :bash:
And so many other niggling problems :bash:

I might just get an iPod Touch, and wait for them to make a phone that does something more than look nice.

what's an iphone? i dont pay attention to stuff like that..........is it a useful-looking item?

i have one of those nokia 3220 phones with the multicoloured lights that flash when someone calls. it's 3 years old and hasn't disentegrated yet, which is phenomenal for any phone, but especially one of my phones because i throw/drop/kick/break phones for fun. the back has smashed up tho, so the battery is exposed. but it still works and a new phone would cost about £50 so it better carry on working or i'm boned.

btw what the fuck is a podcast?

No - by all accounts its overated and overpriced. A massive case of fashion over function.

And i have long grown out of the whole 'my phone is cooler than your phone' thing (which was all the rage back at secondary school). My current phone (a Samsung something or other) has bluetooth, internet etc etc, yet can't remember the last time i used any of it.

As long as a phone can text and call, and isn't a brick then i am happy.

As long as a phone can text

That's another thing the iPhone can't do. :bash:

No.

yes, but I'm prepared to wait 6 or even 12 months until they come down in price, sort out the number moving thing, and get them onto other networks... I can't believe that O2 have exclusive rights in perpetuity...

...in fact the only real thing that is pissing me off is that Apple have decided to go with an exclusive operator when they could have sold through all of them, made a shit load more money in the process, and not polarised a segment of their market that is already loyal to Apple... very bizzare. I mean, do Samsung give a shit WHO they sell their phones through?

keep your existing phone and get an itouch

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The battery life is the worst i've ever had on a phone, the gps works when it wants too,

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Have you got the firmware upgrade that gives you AGPS?

I don't have one but people I know who do said that made a big difference

Why would anyone buy an iPhone? A turd on a stick would be a more useful phone.

I concur, no 3G and a 2 megapixel camera, fuck that, fashion victims.

im waiting for the N95 Black 8GB - it makes the iphone's spec look 5 years old.

What the IPhone came out long time ago.......way outdated LOL. If any of you are going to get one all I can say is its really fun to touch.

Can it let me travel through time?

Can it let me travel through time?

Yes, but only at 1x speed.

I couldn't give a shyte. All these useless gadgets annoy me. Why would I need a phone with the internet, a camera and a videocamera when I have the internet, a videocamera and a camera at home? I thought showing off about how many gadgets you had was something we did in secondary school, how wrong was I...

i couldn't give a skype

im waiting for the N95 Black 8GB - it makes the iphone's spec look 5 years old.

you have to remember the iphone shows how far behind the americans are with mobiles. they dont really have 3g there yet for example so apple decided not to have 3g in their phone. they were clealry designing for the american market but the design wont travel because we europeans expect more. in the usa for example many phones have exclusive deals with an operator but here its almost unheard of. in europe its a legal requirement for a phone to be unlockable, in the usa apple has been bricking unlocked phones! we expect more from our phones than americans but apple doesnt get that. i have a sony w960i ordered.

I wont be getting one - Way over priced and such poor contracts.

The only store I know that is enthusiastic about the launch are Apple Stores. I have been to four O2 stores and three Carphonewarehouse and they were telling myself and other customers not to bother, have another phone one a good contract where the phone is also free or very low cost. Their advice is not to get an iPhone and just buy an iPod touch.

I would get a touch but it's crippled with many functions being read only such as calendar and contacts.

I have to say that I am more than surprised at the features built into my Sony w880i. During a moment if boredom a few weeks ago I signed up to Mobile TV, and for £5 a month I now watch all the SkySports Channels plus CNN and a couple of others... and while waiting outside school for my guy the other day I whiled away a few minutes watching sport and news on TV. It's far and away the feature I would most miss now. Unless iPhone gets this ability (3G), I'll probably be giving it a miss. The LG Prada looks almost the same as the iPhone by the way and I think it has 3G as well.

And that's from a diehard fan.

The trouble with iPod Touch is that they only come with 8g and 16g of capacity.

FFS my iPod classic has 160g.... *one hundred and sixty*... so sixteen aint gonna do it for me either.

Love the technology, just need more space thats all.

Not a chance. Got my ipod classic so am not paying 300 quid plus 30 quid a month for 18 months for a phone. Am looking at the new LG Viewty.

Iand while waiting outside school for my guy the other day..


you're female? I had this down as a place full of geeky techie blokes hah. And, your other half goes to school, which means you do too, so ya must be quite young? Unless you mean your son?

sorry for being nosey. its nice to see a bit of variation on ere

i Just ordered the LG touchscreen Viewty yesterday night and it arrived this morning. I am *SO* impressed. Its so much more classy and sophisticated compared to the k850i that i just returned.

It was eithet they viewty or the n95 silver ( which apparantly has so many problems). I love this new phone, the screen is massive.

you're female? I had this down as a place full of geeky techie blokes hah. And, your other half goes to school, which means you do too, so ya must be quite young? Unless you mean your son?

sorry for being nosey. its nice to see a bit of variation on ere

B4mmy is a bloke and the 'guy' he talks about is his little son. :lol:

Aye - if i was bothered about what kind of phone i had (which i'm not) - i would definitely get the LG Viewty.

I saw the advert for it today and it absolutely blows the i-phone out of the water..more functions, a better camera..and it looks just as classy in my humble opinion

B4mmy is a bloke and the 'guy' he talks about is his little son. :lol:

http://www.rmhctampabay.com/Images/SBB07/Father&Son.jpg

I'm getting one. The amount I need to check my email, uni stuff and of course this site means that the full internet browser is the major selling point.

Subliving.

hahah youre gonna be in for a shock then as yuo can only run on it the one browser apple let you run.

hahah youre gonna be in for a shock then as yuo can only run on it the one browser apple let you run.

how is that different from other internet capable devices? i have a palm tx and a sony psp and both have their own proprietary browsers.

how is that different from other internet capable devices? i have a palm tx and a sony psp and both have their own proprietary browsers.

because an open system will let you run anything :) in the uk we tend to have open systems, imagine for example having the legal right to unlock a mobile phone. if apple bricked uk mobiles theyd get prosecuted. i have a phone ordered thats running symbian which means it comes with opera but you can run anything on it that works on that o.s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W960i

I'm getting one. The amount I need to check my email, uni stuff and of course this site means that the full internet browser is the major selling point.

Subliving.

the LG viewty has a better browser btw

. Why would I need a phone with the internet, a camera and a videocamera when I have the internet, a videocamera and a camera at home?

Exactly.

You can also get one of these funky gagdets for your home.

http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1111-maxf-delhi/telephone.jpg

Plug it into your landline and you'll never need a mobile phone at all.

because an open system will let you run anything :) in the uk we tend to have open systems, imagine for example having the legal right to unlock a mobile phone. if apple bricked uk mobiles theyd get prosecuted. i have a phone ordered thats running symbian which means it comes with opera but you can run anything on it that works on that o.s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W960i

My M600i has the Symbian OS and UIQ3 software that yours has too. Great software, especially considering it's been around a lot longer than the iPhone. I've had my M600i for over a year now and it's been a pleasure to use.

I'm getting one. The amount I need to check my email, uni stuff and of course this site means that the full internet browser is the major selling point.

Subliving.

If thats your priority you'd be better off with a cheap windows mobile or Symbian device with opera mobile.

You can probably even get a tytn II for less than the iphone and then have a keyboard and cut and past for email and a HSDPA connection for the internet.

The big strength of the iphone IMO are music, video and photos. lots of other phone offer the same features but the iphone UI for these features is slick, it works with itunes and it has a lovely big screen.

The memory is still a little small for that stuff so I don't know why Apple don't build an orb/slingmedia style extender for itunes allowing you to stream everything from your computer to your iphone over wifi.

Then again microsoft haven't sorted that out yet either- maybe the big players are scared of a legal or diplomatic shakedown with copyright owners if they openly provide placeshifting.

because an open system will let you run anything :)

that's why i prefer my 2 year old palm tx over an iphone.


in the uk we tend to have open systems, imagine for example having the legal right to unlock a mobile phone. if apple bricked uk mobiles theyd get prosecuted. i have a phone ordered thats running symbian which means it comes with opera but you can run anything on it that works on that o.s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W960i

it should be that way here as well.

In the UK your legal right to unlock a phone only kicks in at the end of your contract. France is different.

People are already queuing up outside the Apple store in London for the Jesus Phone right now.

the jesus phone? does it let them talk to god? oh no... thatd be steve jobs. clearly the reality distortion field is operating at maximum power right now for the fanbois. i need to post more saracasm on digg, i havent had a 150+ diggs for commenting about how shit apple is for at least a day.

I'm getting one, but from the US, it's only $300 and you:banana: can unlock it to use with my pay as u go simcard.

People are already queuing up outside the Apple store in London for the Jesus Phone right now.

They do realise that once all the rush has died down that they can walk in at 7pm and get one right? :dunno:

There isn't going to be a shortage of iPhones.

^^ Of course but the reality distortion field is strong and it cares not for international boundaries. They said it couldn't happen here. That were not that fickle. They should have known better.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/11/09/queues_start_for_iphone/

Also there is nothing that the Jesus Phone can't do. I can even solve the UK unemployment problem.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/06/big_iphone_jobs/

To think that some fools think that this is just a phone. :lol:

I say again :lol:

the jesus phone? does it let them talk to god? oh no... thatd be steve jobs. clearly the reality distortion field is operating at maximum power right now for the fanbois. i need to post more saracasm on digg, i havent had a 150+ diggs for commenting about how shit apple is for at least a day.

there not fanboys there bloody idiots. £300 + £30 x 18 months = atleast 800-900 quid a fucking phone. Its stupid.

^^ I still want one. But your right I'm not paying that much for it. I'll keep my K750i and buy an ipod touch instead.

Well it looks like the latest firmware has already been hacked, so you can buy one and stick your cheap sim card in it.

Assuming you can get one out of the store without being forced to sign a contract with O2

Exactly.

You can also get one of these funky gagdets for your home.

http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1111-maxf-delhi/telephone.jpg

Plug it into your landline and you'll never need a mobile phone at all.

Sarcasm aside, I love that phone.

in europe its a legal requirement for a phone to be unlockable,

Only in France. That doesn't apply in the UK.

As for the iPhone I wont be getting one because I am happy with my mobile and it is a complete rip off. Locking it to one company is self defeating. Good on Vodafone for not being fooled into passing more money onto Apple. Many people in the UK pre-pay which also makes it unattractive, especially as it is only likely to be available on £35 a month contracts. Also a 2mp camera would almost be a downgrade for me. And no 3g is a bit odd for a new phone. Will happily stick to my Sony Ericsson.

For everyone that can't afford the iPhone or is still in denial about wanting one you can make your own here:

http://sneakmove.com/2007/01/diy-cut-and-fold-paper-iphone.html

Why deny yourself the feel good factor that ownership can bring.

I'm writing this on my shiny new iPhone. Didn't queue up for hours for it, just walked into Carphone warehouse and bought it in about 10 minutes. I can confirm that the browser is ace and after a few seconds typing it's easy to get used to. It's never going to be as fast as typing on a laptop but it's pretty nifty. First report is that it rocks. Will post further updates.

Subliving.

I'm writing this on my shiny new iPhone. Didn't queue up for hours for it, just walked into Carphone warehouse and bought it in about 10 minutes. I can confirm that the browser is ace and after a few seconds typing it's easy to get used to. It's never going to be as fast as typing on a laptop but it's pretty nifty. First report is that it rocks. Will post further updates.

Subliving.

Cunt. Just beat me to it.

Mine's sat in front of me synching music, but I have lovingly applied the screen protector and silicon case and it's fully activated.

Like you we just walked into Carphone Warehouse (Cowcross Street, Farringdon) and bought ours... the spanner in the works was that their computer systems all went down at 18:02 so it took ages to get the transaction to go through.

All y'all slagging it off are just haters, the iphone is so nice it's sexual

The store I was in was one of a few that didn't go down. There was a minor panic when the staff got a phonecall though! We heard all about your plight... How are you finding the browser? I think it's ace and quick. Text entry is definitely easier in landscape though. 8/10 so far.

Subliving.

It's best to purchase one when either when prices come down or to just wait for the 3G Version, Steve Jobs announced there would be one next year. The only nag is lack of GPS like the 6110 navigator and only a 2mp camera. I've also heard that Bluetooth isn't one of the finer points as well as a lack of video recoding facilities. But damn the few on here who have one, I've played with the I-Pod Touch and that's a fantastic bit of kit from Apple, solidy built and browsing the net was like that of a Series 90 symbian, even better tbh with you with the fast download data too.

I await either the luanch of the Google Phone, an HTC with Windows Mobile Version 6, a cheaper unlocked I-phone in the future or a 3G version, Nokia E90 (fantastic smartphone)or the Tablet which looks set to maybe steal the thunder from the I-phone, I probably think not on that.

I've been a bit cunning there... I've got the insurance with carphone warehouse where you can cancel your contract at any time for 29.90. Useful I feel.

Subliving.

This is good, I've had my ipod classic for about a month or so and the head phones are already knackered! Right head phone went all funny during work. Time to get me some good ones. Can anyone recommend any that will last! I go through them so fast and they just don't last.

Doesn't matter, just realised that I got a radio with my ipod and it had another set of head phones in.

Was gonna say get a set of Sennheiser. They're the best on the market at the moment in just about every price range.

Subliving.

Was gonna say get a set of Sennheiser. They're the best on the market at the moment in just about every price range.

Subliving.

I'll keep that in mind for when these go. I'll give them a max of 2 months before I go out and get some nice ones.

Was gonna say get a set of Sennheiser. They're the best on the market at the moment in just about every price range.

Subliving.

Extremely good set but very fragile. I've had three sets within the last 9 months
but you can get a set on Amazon Marketplace for a fiver!:)

I've got one and its fucking amazing. The major problem is the lack of 3g though, internet is very slow when not on wireless. Apart from that.. all the pluses about this phone totally outweigh the negatives (apart from 3g..im so used to it.)

not just lack of 3g. it doesnt have full bluetooth integration, there is no OBEX! why would you get a phone if youer so used to 3g and dont have 3g now.

not just lack of 3g. it doesnt have full bluetooth integration, there is no OBEX! why would you get a phone if youer so used to 3g and dont have 3g now.

I'd be bothered if I knew what OBEX is...

I very rarely browse the 'net on my phone anyway, just occasionally on matchday for other footy scores.

I'd be bothered if I knew what OBEX is...


I was thinking that? What the hell is OBEX? and does anyone really care? ermmm.... no.

OBEX is the bluetooth ftp protocol. it is how you copy files from one bluetooth device to another. have fun when you copy files via bluetooth and find out you cant, then youll know what it is :)

Well, from my experience so far, the Edge network is easily fast enough to load a Youtube video with no lag at all.

Not bothered about BlueTooth because when you're close enough to your laptop to use it, you might as well plug it in and charge it up. I can report, battery life is not bad. I watched videos for about 4 hours last night (geek, just checking it out though) with barely a quarter of the battery gone.

Still 8/10.

Subliving.

edge network only covers 30% of the area that 3g does and has only been rolled out by o2 really because of the iphone.

what about bluetooth to transfer files to other phones? i cant be alone in doing that am i?

Don't think I've ever done it, but I can imagine it'd be something you'd miss if you do it a lot.

Subliving.

The cloud wifi network should fill in some of the gaps that edge leaves out but granted its not ideal without 3G. I've no doubt that the next iPhone will be 3G, which gives everyone a good reason to upgrade. :)

I've only ever used bluetooth file transfer between phones to share porn vids.
Ergo this feature needs to be fixed rapidly Apple!

I think I'll be okay with the Edge thing. I've used it loads now already and it seems quick enough for a mobile device. Plus, I only ever spend my time in London or Leeds. My friend in Leeds also has an iPhone and says the coverage there is perfect, so I don't really need to worry about signal. I'm sure other cities have equally good Edge coverage.

Subliving.

^^ Yeah I agree. The cloud thing will fill in a lot of gaps.

But after being a hard 3g phone user with orange, I don't feel this is as fast as 3g (even though 3g was slightly temperamental - works fast when it wants too).

OBEX is the bluetooth ftp protocol. it is how you copy files from one bluetooth device to another. have fun when you copy files via bluetooth and find out you cant, then youll know what it is :)

As I say, its benifits outweigh all of the negatives. As a phone (making calls), its better than any phone i've used. As an web viewing device its better than any other phone i've used. As an iPod its better than any iPod i've used. It views male better than any other phone i've used. My business is internet based... being able to view thing PROPERLY is a BIG PLUS.

I am a regular phone changer. In the last year i've been through a Nokia N73, Nokia N80, SE K800i, SE P990i, and Nokia N95. Excluding what i've said above.. The applications that this phone have work amazingly. Animations and all the pretty stuff.. just work... no laggin whatsoever.

edge network only covers 30% of the area that 3g does and has only been rolled out by o2 really because of the iphone.

what about bluetooth to transfer files to other phones? i cant be alone in doing that am i?

^^ Your right. Bluetooth is a bit dodgy... infact I haven't come across any bluetooth stuff on this phone? Can't even see it in the settings lol? Does it even have bluetooths lol? No...just kidding.

This is the problem I have.. (apart from the K800i), all my last phones used too piss me off. So I never used to keep anything on them. No music, no nothing. I never took pictures with them because I carry my D200 everywhere with me.... but now that i've got the iPhone. i've got loooadddss of stuff on my iPhone but can't send them lol.....

Surely bluetooth updates could be added in a future software update? The software update itself is one of the great things about the iPhone. And just too add.. the battery life on this thing is amazing... I left it playing music all night (bare in mind I went to bed at 5 o clock in the morning and have only just woke up), and its still running stong... loads of battery life left.

One more thing!! They keypad is fucking amazing!!!! You dont even have to press the right letter! I am typing super fast with it now :D

haha. i posted about this on other threads but you didnt listen! bluetooth implentation is rather botched on it and as bluetooth is the standard for phones its a bit shite really. i use bluetooth all the time to send stuff to other devices, wifi is great for net access but not so good if you want to access other devices. no idea if they could be added as it might need an extra piece of hardware.

i find the cloud shite for wifi. its crappy to connect to and has poor signal quality (and this is using a thinkpad). where i live i think we have half a dozen wifi spots in lincoln and they are all in pubs which isnt much use.

you like the k800 which is what i have? why not wait for sony's touchscreen phone thats out in a month. it has everything the iphone doesnt from an open operating system to properly working bluetooth :) i have one ordered.

the one thing i dont get is why the hell apple made a phone and then left out some pretty standard features everyone else has. it makes no sense at all. i realise why they didnt have 3g because they just wanted to port the phone over from the usa model where they dont really have 3g but the rest... no proper mms or bluetooth is just plain odd.

Gothic, you are an extremely hard man to convince... From previous arguments I release I have to approach you differently than I do to others. Especially when it comes to the mac stuff. In the same way i'm a hardcore mac man.. Your are hardcorespec man....your a "on paper" kinda guy... you have too see features, specs and numbers on paper...

The iPhone...misses a few things on paper... however.. It gives you an experiance... that is unrivalled. It dosn't do anything new.. we all know that.. but the things that it does, it does them in new ways. This is the Apple Way, you can do everything on a PC you can Do on a mac... the mac however does things in much better ways.. this is what I was trying to get through to you the other day.

I agree with you gothic... Honestly.. I should have waited for the next iPhone to come out.. I'm a hardcore apple man so I didn't. I am however satisfied with my purchase. It does miss a few things... Many of them could be added through software update (bluetooth problems would need an update to the firmware surely? and a software one too?), but the problems of this phone are totally outweighed by the benifits. I feel this phone will allow me... Daniel... to be much more productive than my previous phones.

The basic running of the phone is a big feature. I am yet to come across a phone with as many feature that runs so smoothly, no laggin, no crashin.. every symbian device i've come across has this problem.

Anyway... please introduce me to your sony touchscreen phone. Giz a link?

this is the w960i. it has 9 hours talktime to the iphones 8 hours (and apple say that if theirs had 3g itd have 4!). the phone will show up as a drive on your computer, no faffing about with itunes to sync it up. just drag and drop and there is of course full integration with bluetooth. importantly (for me) it has both a touch screen and a non touch screen so you can dial and text without looking at the phone. i really think you should have waited either for the next gen iphone or until you could compare the iphone with all the other phones of its class that are coming out. the camera is also better but i dont care about that as i have cameras already...

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pip1&pid=10908&zone=pp

to me, and to many people bluetooth is vital, as is 3g. iphone doesnt have them so is no use to us. it can do things it can do better than any other phone but it doesnt matter as the things it cant do it cant do.

I got the M600i over a year ago. Full touch screen with handwriting recognition, a qwerty keyboard, full web browsing, 3G, 7:30 talktime, etc. It's designed as a business phone so it has all kinds of features like Exchange email sync, Blackberry, push email, GPS, etc. and like Gothic's it appears as a drive on your computer. The only feature it lacks is a camera, which for me is a bonus as you aren't allowed to take cameras into restricted buildings and I have a proper camera anyway. Considering it's about 2 years old now I don't think it's a bad spec and think it comes out favourably against the iPhone which is brand new!

http://www.xenmobile.com/images/sonyericsson/m600i-01.jpg

I've got an iPhone :)

Is it true you have to buy a new battery after 300 charges? Was on BBC Breakfast News on Friday morning. Can't believe that.

Lets say if the battery needs charging every say 2-3 days and it lasts for 300 charges that's nearly 2 years or so before you need to replace it. BBC seems to be making abig deal out of nothing really. I'd say 300 cycles is quite alot really. Most laptop batteries only last 100-150 cycles before they start to go quite bad. Not really sure what its like on phones. I've noticed that I don't get as much battery life out of my phone(Samsung phone) as I did and I've only had it 6-8 months.

Lets say if the battery needs charging every say 2-3 days

If it needs that then it's quite shocking. Mine gets quite a lot of use and is over a year old, yet it still only needs charging every 5-6 days.

the thing is with the iphone the battery isnt replacable so you have to send the phone away to get it fixed! no phone for several days as a result.

the thing is with the iphone the battery isnt replacable so you have to send the phone away to get it fixed! no phone for several days as a result.

Or if your sim gets fried for some reason.

Unlocked iphones currently going for £400(ish) on Ebay. £280 on O2 with an 18 month contract.

Unlocked iphones currently going for £400(ish) on Ebay. £280 on O2 with an 18 month contract.

If people are willing to pay £280 for one of these things there's something seriously wrong. They aren't even worth half that on contract.

the thing is with the iphone the battery isnt replacable so you have to send the phone away to get it fixed! no phone for several days as a result.

:lol: The iPhone battery will need replacing.. dunno about the 300 charges business. And no.. you don't have time without a phone lol... you take it into an apple shop.. pay them for the battery.. they give you a replacement phone while the battery is being replaced.. once that phone is ready for collection you hand back their phone. Thats what you call super service.

If people are willing to pay £280 for one of these things there's something seriously wrong. They aren't even worth half that on contract.

How much would you pay for an iPod? Then how much you pay for an iPod which is much better than the top iPod on the market?

How much would you pay for an iPod? Then how much you pay for an iPod which is much better than the top iPod on the market?

I wouldn't pay for an iPod either. I have a SanDisk Sansa. It's about the same size as a nano, has 8GB of storage, a larger screen, can display photos and videos, has an FM tuner and voice recorder as well as a microSD slot to add more memory in or transfer files on the fly. It's got more features than the iPod Nano and is substantially cheaper too. I also found the sound quality to be remarkable in comparison, probably thanks to the much better headphones.

Such an overrated and over-hyped device. No change.

How much would you pay for an iPod? Then how much you pay for an iPod which is much better than the top iPod on the market?

Hmm.

iPod Nano (8GB): £129
iPod Classic (160GB): £229
iPhone (8GB) + 18 month contract: (£269 + £630) £899

Quite.

Such an overrated and over-hyped device. No change.



Hmm.

iPod Nano (8GB): £129
iPod Classic (160GB): £229
iPhone (8GB) + 18 month contract: (£269 + £630) £899

Quite.

What's the deal with adding the cost of the contract to try to make it sound more expensive?

*NEWS FLASH* You get to make calls and send text messages!!!

I was an existing O2 customer, I have the same tariff on the iPhone I had already. No biggie.

so? i can run VOIP on my archos (its hacked, has wifi and touch screen) which means i too can make and recieve calls

Such an overrated and over-hyped device. No change.



Hmm.

iPod Nano (8GB): £129
iPod Classic (160GB): £229
iPhone (8GB) + 18 month contract: (£269 + £630) £899

Quite.

So?

160GB iPod Classic + 40,000 songs you'd need to fill it up = somewhere around £40,000

so? i can run VOIP on my archos (its hacked, has wifi and touch screen) which means i too can make and recieve calls

I'm pointing out that adding the cost of the contract to the cost of the iPhone is stupid if you're trying to make a comparison with a normal iPod, because normal iPods don't make 1200 minutes of phone calls per month!

the iphone has flopped int he uk it seems :)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/11/iphone_uk_flop/

the media has been bullshitting about the success
http://www.dialaphone.co.uk/blog/?p=750

If I were to buy an iPhone, I'd buy it unlocked from Germany., even though it's a whopping 470 GBP.

Anyway, just seen a TV advert, it's funny that they advertize the iPhone as being capable of using Youtube, one because all other mid-range phones can do the same and two because the iPhone has slower net access than most others.

I was surprised to see how big the iPhone is in real. It would be much better if they made it smaller, but thicker.

thats the reality distortion field in full swing whereby apple somehow manages to convince people that a feature already commonplace is somehow amazing in their products.

If I were to buy an iPhone, I'd buy it unlocked from Germany., even though it's a whopping 470 GBP.

Anyway, just seen a TV advert, it's funny that they advertize the iPhone as being capable of using Youtube, one because all other mid-range phones can do the same and two because the iPhone has slower net access than most others.

I was surprised to see how big the iPhone is in real. It would be much better if they made it smaller, but thicker.

Smaller but thicker defeats the point of it though. It's made for browsing the Internet on the go, which I must say it excels at. I'm sat in a cafe at the moment surfing using the edge network which is plenty quick enough. If it was a smaller screen I wouldn't be able to use it in the way it is intended.

Subliving.

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I was an existing O2 customer, I have the same tariff on the iPhone I had already. No biggie.

It is a big deal -you renewed your contract for another 18 months for which som of the money you spend normally buys you a "free" phone in advance.

If the iphone didnt have to be registered you could have got the same contract with a free N95 and free 8GB card, switched sims to the iphone and sold the N95 on ebay for £160ish and the card for £40.

I think its fair to add at least £200 to the price for comparison purposes.


If you wanted to buy an N95 and 8gb card new without the contract it would cost you around £440.

using the edge network which is plenty quick enough. If it was a smaller screen I wouldn't be able to use it in the way it is intended.


If you're in o2's currently limited edge network area. No UK operator planned to upgrade to EDGE, but o2 started upgrading just a couple months ago just because of their iPhone launch. The others jumped directly on 3G and HSDPA. With HSDPA handsets becoming increasingly popular the iPhone will quickly become even more outdated than it already is.

LG KU990 and even the qwerty Samsung F700 are more interesting touch-phones, both with HSDPA.

the iphone has flopped int he uk it seems :)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/11/iphone_uk_flop/

Let's see what happens at Christmas time, eh? :)

Well I went into Carphone Warehouse and the O2 store yesterday tp kind of 'dare' myself not to get one. I played around with it. And loved it. I really really loved it. I didn't get one though. I think I might get a Viewty instead and wait for the next gen iPhone.

I completely want one. I haven't used one yet, but I've played about with the iPod touch, and it's a joy to use. I currently have a Nokia N80, and in all the reviews I read of it, it talked about how good the browser is for accessing the internet. Bullshit. It's better than most, but it's still pretty flawed. The iPod touch/iPhone is basically the next best thing from a proper computer. I can't understand why people make fun of Apple for valuing good design. Design is important, and I might think that people on an architecture forum would value that. Yes, the iPhone may be missing some geeky features that other peer group phones have, but guess what - no one uses them anyway. My phone can read barcodes. Amazingly, I have never needed to use that.

That said, I'm going to wait for two big things. 3G is one. It'll happen soon enough - it has to. I understand the problems - my N80 has awful battery life. But that will change - the chips will get better. The other big thing is storage capacity. I have about 9GB of music, and growing. Plus photos, videos, etc, and I'd probably want a 32GB model. But that wont take too long either - my first iPod was 5GB, my 2nd one is 60GB. Course, they're hard disks rather than flash memory, but there's no reason to assume that the iPhone wont continue to improve.

i wouldnt get one, because once the novolety wears of and the fun of the touchscreen you are left ith something that isnt really all that and isnt that useful for me anyway. I like taking lots of pix so id need a decent camera phone. Also, ive used the LG Viewty, which, as great as it is, just gets a little fiddley using a touchscreen all the time, and the iphone is no diferent. Im gonna lump for the N95 Black 8GB when it comes out on 02 after christmas.

Also, i suspect straight after christmas, the iphone will drop in price, especially given that they are not selling as fast as apple had hoped. I wouldnt be surpised if its 99 quid for the phone after crimo, then free by easter. Dont forget, the n95 black, which is even more costly in terms of mechanics, is free at £35/month, so its not unreasonable for apple to priced free.. its just they are enjoying the fact that a significant bulk of people are prepared to pay a very high price for a piece of kit that is cheaper than the N95Black.

I think you underestimate Apple's stubbornness. They rarely change prices to reflect demand, and you'd be lucky for one price drop per half year.

Hope I'm wrong though and everyone can pick one up for a fiver next year cos it is a damn good phone!

Subliving.

I completely want one. I haven't used one yet, but I've played about with the iPod touch, and it's a joy to use. I currently have a Nokia N80, and in all the reviews I read of it, it talked about how good the browser is for accessing the internet. Bullshit. It's better than most, but it's still pretty flawed.

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out of curiosity are you using the s60 browser or opera mobile?

Er, not quite sure. It's neither the standard Series 60 browser or Opera. It's labelled 'Web' (instead of 'Services') and is apparently based on Safari actually. It does an alright job when I have to use it, but it's still a bit of a drag, especially when compared to the iPod touch that I've used.

The Apple I-Pod touch I have seems to be doing a better job than the I-Phone, the Safari browser is incredibly slow via the O2 EDGE connection, if you're not in a wi-fi hotspot too it moves at a slug's pace. The motion sensor was also paticularly unresponsive and slow comparison with the Touch, the Wireless network I use is my local 108, it's an unsecure network but it's a joy to browse and haven't had any problems so far except when it's windy, don't tend to get too good a reception. I'm probably going to wait for an upgrade from Apple or opt for the Series 60 3rd edition Nokia E90 with the killer aps such as the 800 by 452 16 million colour screen.

Apparently the viewty by LG is supposed to be flawed, the only thing good about it being the 5MP camera, I tend not to trust sources or reviews unless I try it out myself.

Wondering wether the announced Google Phone/rumoured PSP phone will flop too.

Messed about with one today in the O2 shop but I'd opened the paper before and saw the new LG phone. Need to have a play with that now.

What's the deal with adding the cost of the contract to try to make it sound more expensive?

*NEWS FLASH* You get to make calls and send text messages!!!

I was an existing O2 customer, I have the same tariff on the iPhone I had already. No biggie.
I wasn't 'trying' to make it sound more expensive, I included the base cost and the non-voluntary contract cost that is included when you purchase the phone. But you're right, contract aside it's still fucking expensive.

http://www.jonreid.co.uk/iproduct.gif

:D

^^ I find it quite ironic that it takes me a while to tell the difference between the spoof Apple adverts and the real ones.....they are always so pretentious yet condescending at the same time.

if anyone wants to send me one feel free to do so. :yes:

Er, not quite sure. It's neither the standard Series 60 browser or Opera. It's labelled 'Web' (instead of 'Services') and is apparently based on Safari actually. It does an alright job when I have to use it, but it's still a bit of a drag, especially when compared to the iPod touch that I've used.

Yeah that the S60 web (as opposed to wap) browser that uses webkit (as does safari).

i haven't got to use it much.

Have a go at downloading Opera Mobile for the 30 day free trial or if it take up too much memory the permanently free Opera Mini. Opera Mobile is very very good at rendering pages but not everyone likes it from a navigational point of view and I think Mini will have be less sophisticated than the one you are using but some people like its feel.

http://www.opera.com/

I like them but am used to using them with a touch screen and stylus. A quick google suggests N80 users are split on whether its better than the ne that comes with it.

I had a play with the iPhone at an O2 store in the Bullring on Sunday and now that I've had a sufficient fiddle with it. I have to say that if my next phone isn't like it I'm going to be disappointed.

The screen is stunning, better than any screen on any mobile phone period. Brilliant iPod. Using it is just spot on. It makes Win Mobile look and feel decrepit by comparison.

I am now satisfied that it knocks every other phone on the market into a cocked hat. It makes my Nokia E61i and SE K750i look shit. It also makes the techie triumph that is the Nokia N95 look like a sad fucking brick.

It's heavier and larger than I thought it would be (fnerr, fnerr), but then so is a CrackBerry. The weight shouldn't be a surprise really and the large size is a bonus for Internet, Email and iPod.

If it was cheaper I would buy one but for now I will wait and that's the only reason I'm not buying one, because of the O2 contract. O2 are a shite network and I don't want an 18 month contract. But i would pay £225 for a contract free iPhone quite happily. I would loose my MP3 player, SE mobile and my Dell Axim PDA and use an iPhone for that price and sod the 3G / BluToof etc issues.

I'm sure that it's not to everyones taste and some people's lives will be ruined by the lack of 3G and and a 17MP Video camera with 6 months playback, I don't care and don't for a minute start telling me that a SE P1 or a Touch screen Prada are all that because we all know that they are pants as far as phones go.

If nothing else Apple have shown us how Mobiles are going to be from now on and that's a lot easier to use and nicer to look at than the options that are currently available from all other manufacturers. Which is exactly why you are going to shortly see the iPhone's interface and features being copied by other manufacturers faster than you can say dick.

Anyway I was impressed. :)

The more geeky who want a touch screen phone but not the iphone might want to have a look at the HTC touch Cruise. Its basically a thinner tytn II with a dial instead of a keyboard and the interface from the Touch.

The viewty is a top end camera phone so isnt really that similar to the iphone.

I had a play with the iPhone at an O2 store in the Bullring on Sunday and now that I've had a sufficient fiddle with it.




Could you get the keyboard to work well? I was thinking maybe the much heralded auto correct feature was turned off in the ones in the bullring. I found it completely unusable in portrait mode hitting the wrong key about 50% of the time resulting in complete gibberish of several magnitudes lower than my infamously badly typed posts ion SSC. I could just about manage in landscape. Maybe I just have fat thumbs.


The ipod on it is fantastic - far afar better than any other music player Ive come across on a phone. The photo viewer is very nice too.

I regularly tether my phone to my laptop, and now wouldn't give up gps so the iphone is useless to me but like you I hope that some of its best aspects influence other phones.

Could you get the keyboard to work well?

The phone I used was one of the one's in the O2 store on Level 1 on the left as you come out of Selfridges don't know how they were set up in that store. I typed out, "Hello how are you?" which is the usual hello Girlfriend message and sent it to some bloke in the address book!?!

It read as "Help how are you?" Tried it again no problem. I did it pretty damn fast as well so I was impressed. For something that has no tactile feedback I thought that was pretty good for a first try.

I also tried an email as I might usually send to a client and had to correct as I go along about 6 or 7 times which is about the same as I have to do on my mobile phone when txting a long message. So I thought that was pretty fair.

I didn't feel that I had to change the way I txt or write though just get used to having no feedback and I feel that's not as big an issue as I thought it would be.

Photo's in email was topper. The whole touch and pinch thing with photos on it works so much better than on a PDA.

If Apple will Jailbreak the iPhone maybe the GPS you need to use will be available in future but then like you say hopefully other manufacturers will be influenced by the best aspects and we all benefit.

I'm going to have to stop kissing Steve Jobs ass now. :zippit:

The keyboard is extremely easy to use... once you get used to it. I admit the first day I used it I was slow as hell, but after an hour accuracy increased, after a day, speed increased. Now it is far faster than using a mobile for texting.

At the size issue, would you sacrifice the beautiful display for it to be smaller? I would certainly not. I think it is the perfect size, plus it demolishes my pocket clutter which is an advantage.

Subliving.

The keyboard is extremely easy to use... once you get used to it. I admit the first day I used it I was slow as hell, but after an hour accuracy increased, after a day, speed increased. Now it is far faster than using a mobile for texting.

At the size issue, would you sacrifice the beautiful display for it to be smaller? I would certainly not. I think it is the perfect size, plus it demolishes my pocket clutter which is an advantage.

Subliving.

Agreed. You really don't have to worry about hitting wrong buttons.. the autocorrect thing is fucking amazing.

I know, you can come up with some right rubbish and it still knows what you're on about.

Subliving.

Are O2 forcing the contracted sim card on you in store, or do you have to activate it over the phone when you get home?

I really want an iPhone, but I don't want to get forced into such a shit contract with O2.

you buy the phone, then sort the contract with apple separately is what I was told at the local carphone warehouse store up here.... either way its an O2 contract you'll be buying

:dunno:

i think basically itd be best to wait until the next iphone comes out. right now its a nice phone but does nothing better than any other phone (and if you want an mp3 player get an ipod touch if youre that desparate).

right now its a nice phone but does nothing better than any other phone.

Apart from the browser, iPod, google maps, email, touch keyboard, youtube integration and looks?

Subliving.

i'm getting the lg viewty! the features kill the iphone and its got hspda (3.5g)

Apart from the browser, iPod, google maps, email, touch keyboard, youtube integration and looks?

Subliving.

A bit silly to claim all of those.

I agree with you on the Ipod and you could add a 3.5" screen with multitouch, the virtual keyboard is different to other phones, the browsers only real difference is the multitouch zoom and you can argue over the looks.

However youtube integration is not that uncommon- in fact any windows mobile device can download vtap that gives you youtube, dailymotion and a couple of other too.

The email is arguably worse than most smartphones. Not only is google maps free and available on just about every smartphone plenty of the newer ones have gps making them much better at using it.

i think basically itd be best to wait until the next iphone comes out. right now its a nice phone but does nothing better than any other phone (and if you want an mp3 player get an ipod touch if youre that desparate).

But the whole point is, and what sells it for me, is it's an iPod and an O2 phone. I was an existing O2 mobile customer and an existing iPod / iTunes user: It's one less thing I have to carry around with me, with the added value of mobile internet browsing which I didn't have before.

It synchronises with Outlook so for the first time I'm using my phone as a proper personal organiser with calendar and contacts, so now I don't need an address book for trips abraod / postcards anymore.

It was an easy decision for me, being an iPod and O2 user already. I literally bought it, went home, punched my existing number into the iTunes website, and within about an hour the number had ported and I'm on the same tariff I was on already.

My old Samsung is sat forlornly gathering dust and my old 60Gb iPod is now permanently sat in our dock / speakers in the front room (all the CDs were packed away months ago). It's simplification: even the iPhone itself is simplification personified. It effectively has only one button and is a joy to use.

however you have an iphone which is 16gb and an ipod which is 60gb. see the problem on why the iphone isnt a very good mp3 player? i couldnt carry a quarter of my mp3s on it, i have too many. another thing is as far as i know you cant plug ipods into the tv, this is quite important actually because then you can have the tv on and see whats playing and flick through with a remote. my archos has a docking station so you can plug it into the tv. wanna record something off the tv? hit record on it :)

but do you really need 60GB of music on an mp3 player? who actually listens to that amount of music? i have about 5,000 songs on my computer but most of those are songs i tend to listen to on occasion where as the ones i have loaded on my phone and ipod (20GB) are the ones i'm apt to listen to more often which only is about a few hundred. which more than covers a transatlantic flight.

yes! i do. lol. 60gb works out at about 500 cds ripped to 192kbs. the whole idea is i have all my music on something, rather defeats the point otherwise.

but do you really need 60GB of music on an mp3 player? who actually listens to that amount of music? i have about 5,000 songs on my computer but most of those are songs i tend to listen to on occasion where as the ones i have loaded on my phone and ipod (20GB) are the ones i'm apt to listen to more often which only is about a few hundred. which more than covers a transatlantic flight.

I do! My 20gb MP4 player doesn't fit all my music on. It probably only fits about 2/3rd of my collection. That's without any video's or pictures even! And you can guarantee there will be something i've taken off it that I want to listen to whenever I use it. I'm constantly having to take stuff off to fit new stuff on. I'd like to be able to keep all my music on it as a backup anyway. If my hard drive gets nicked or sommat, i've lost £100's of music.

Going back to the I-Phone. I don't see what the problem is. If you want it, buy it. If you don't, don't. :dunno:

but do you really need 60GB of music on an mp3 player? who actually listens to that amount of music? i have about 5,000 songs on my computer but most of those are songs i tend to listen to on occasion where as the ones i have loaded on my phone and ipod (20GB) are the ones i'm apt to listen to more often which only is about a few hundred. which more than covers a transatlantic flight.

Yes because I have 4700 songs which covers about 24 gig and I want them all on one mp3 player or ipod. I don't want to have to select the songs I want everyday otherwise I'd spend 12 hours a day picking what music I want for the next day.

but do you really need 60GB of music on an mp3 player?

Yes because I have 4700 songs which covers about 24 gig and I want them all on one mp3 player or ipod.
Indeed. The iPhone is nice, but I can't understand the sycophantic defence of its shortcomings- as if it has none whatsoever and is fucking perfect in every way. Typical ethos of 'so what if you can't fit/do XX with it, you don't need to'- fuck your personal choice, jump on the bandwagon and adopt their lifestyle choice, and put your fingers in your ears when someone has a criticism.

however you have an iphone which is 16gb and an ipod which is 60gb. see the problem on why the iphone isnt a very good mp3 player? i couldnt carry a quarter of my mp3s on it, i have too many. another thing is as far as i know you cant plug ipods into the tv, this is quite important actually because then you can have the tv on and see whats playing and flick through with a remote. my archos has a docking station so you can plug it into the tv. wanna record something off the tv? hit record on it :)

Granted I can't fit all of my music off iTunes on it, but I have dozens of Gigs of music and I probably listen to perhaps 5% of it with any regularity. At least 50% I will probably never listen to again for as long as I live. It's that simple: MP3 players encourage you to hoard music you'll never listen to again, if you even try to claim you listen to all of your MP3s I'd chuckle at you heartily.

I used to carry my 60Gb iPod everywhere and I'd have at any one time a maximum 10 playlists / albums I'd listen to with any regularity (I make a lot of compilation playlists)... perhaps 1% of its memory.

I've bunged all my current favoured tracks / playlists on my iPhone with plenty of room to spare. I can select and deselect playlists as I see fit. It's not an issue at all.

Why don't you guys just use the Smart Playlists option in iTunes?
http://www.apple.com/lae/itunes/smartplaylists.html
Then you'd have no need for anything bigger than a few GB.

Paying a fortune for a 60GB+ mp3 players so you can carry around files your never ever going to listen to is moronic.

Buy something like a nano, and put the money you save towards buying some more music.

if you even try to claim you listen to all of your MP3s I'd chuckle at you heartily.
Chuckle away. Great thing I personally love about having thousands upon thousands of songs on the move with me is a lovely little option called 'random'. Sure I have favourite playlists too but eh. it's not all about how many songs, as gothic pointed out some prefer less lossy music files which take up more space and so on. But still, I understand and agree with the argument you're presenting, I just don't agree with the 'I manage it fine and don't do it X way, so you shouldn't and if you do I will laugh at you' attitude.

Paying a fortune for a 60GB+ mp3 players so you can carry around files your never ever going to listen to is moronic
Perspective I guess, considering the largest capacity classic iPod is cheaper than the paltry capacity of the iPhone.

What makes me laugh is that when an iPhone with larger capacity is released, the fanbois will be trumping that as a feature, forgetting how they defending low, un-expandable capacity beforehand.

Chuckle away. Great thing I personally love about having thousands upon thousands of songs on the move with me is a lovely little option called 'random'.

Doesn't really do much for me: I find myself skipping every other track. I'd rather create playlists of my favourite songs than listen to random B-sides and album fillers.

Sure I have favourite playlists too but eh. it's not all about how many songs, as gothic pointed out some prefer less lossy music files which take up more space and so on. But still, I understand and agree with the argument you're presenting, I just don't agree with the 'I manage it fine and don't do it X way, so you shouldn't and if you do I will laugh at you' attitude.

I was merely countering the 'criticism' that you can't squeeze 60Gb of music onto a iPhone. Nobody 'needs' to carry around 60Gb of music with them.

Perspective I guess, considering the largest capacity classic iPod is cheaper than the paltry capacity of the iPhone.

But it has the slight drawback of not making phonecalls or allowing you to browse the internet :crazy:

You're comparing apples with oranges (no pun intended)

Perspective I guess, considering the largest capacity classic iPod is cheaper than the paltry capacity of the iPhone.

But the Classic has none of the functions of the iPhone.

Your point would only be valid if the iPhone was only an iPod.

I can fit all my favourite songs onto my 256MB MP3 player that I got from Tesco for £7.99. :)

8GB Ipod Touch £199
80Gb Ipod Classic £159

Its a no brainier on which one your gonna pick.

Exactly the iPod Touch :banana:

Exactly the iPod Touch :banana:

We have a joker in the building.

You're comparing apples with oranges (no pun intended)
It is true. Maybe when iPhone 2 comes out and has a larger or at least expandable capacity, I'll be there. I use my current phone and its not so impressive screen for mobile browsing a lot, but carry my iPod to listen to music, of course I'd love it all in one package and the new iPod interface on the phone looks superb. Just don't want to pay what an obscene price for what is currently on offer, small capacity, non 3G internet and the Apple premium.

We have a joker in the building.

Actually I think that the sales figures for the 2 devices will be closer than you think. The Touch is infinitely more desirable aesthetically and you can't deny that much of Apples success has been down to the appeal of the design and the UI.

A lot of people like me don't need the 80Gb. 4Gb is fine for my music on the move. In all other respects it's a much better iPod than the Classic. The Classic only wins on memory.

I said ages ago when the Touch was launched that it would sell like hot cakes its the smartest move that Apple have made for a long time. All it needs is a webmail app and I can dump my PDA and Shuffle. Can't do that with a Classic can I.

Actually I think that the sales figures for the 2 devices will be closer than you think. The Touch is infinitely more desirable aesthetically and you can't deny that much of Apples success has been down to the appeal of the design and the UI.

A lot of people like me don't need the 80Gb. 4Gb is fine for my music on the move. In all other respects it's a much better iPod than the Classic. The Classic only wins on memory.

I said ages ago when the Touch was launched that it would sell like hot cakes its the smartest move that Apple have made for a long time. All it needs is a webmail app and I can dump my PDA and Shuffle. Can't do that with a Classic can I.

Can't really see the touch outselling the classic because really its lacking in certain things and also just a product to say "look I've got this". After afew weeks the fad will wear off and you'll think, am glad I got it but I'd rather have the larger memory.

I know afew people who have brought different ipods. I have a classic and compared to the old ipods its a huge step forward, I also have a radio with it that has a nice remote control, so I never need to touch my ipod once its in my pocket. My mate has a touch and it is great. I think the Video on it is amazing and the touch screen is out of this world but he agrees the big let down was the price and the lack of memory. That's why I didn't buy it. I was infact nearly hitting my screen thinking why does it only have a max of 16GB. If it had been the same thing with 80GB I would have happily paid 250 quid for it. I ain't paying 200 quid for something which for me isn't easy to use. Picking music and messing about with play lists is no long my thing. I've done it(had a 4GB ipod mini for years),its boring, I don't have the time and its not nice. Just wait till you fill that 8GB, you'll be so annoyed every time you want to put new songs on it when you have to be somewhere else.

I don't really get why people would buy an iPod touch: they may as well just buy an iPhone surely? iPod touch just appears to be an iPhone which doesn't make phonecalls for not much less money.

Can't really see the touch outselling the classic because really its lacking in certain things and also just a product to say "look I've got this". After afew weeks the fad will wear off and you'll think, am glad I got it but I'd rather have the larger memory.

I don't think that it will outsell the Classic but surely it depends what you would use it for. If you only listen to MP3 the Classic fits the bill. A lot of people will want 80Gigs but it's worth remembering that the best selling iPod ever was the Nano with limited memory.

I'm going to buy a Touch because I want an iPod to replace my shuffle and a calender app and email / web client to replace my PDA. The Classic quite rightly doesn't have Wi-Fi it doesn't need it, that's not what it's for but the Touch straddles markets in a clever way.

I have a Nokia E61i that should do all that and its a phone but it doesn't cut it and my Dell Axim doesn't do anything that a Touch wouldn't do in reality and again email and web is naff on it even with Opera 4. I've seen the email and web on the iPhone it's great but I don't want the contract. So until the iPhone can be safely Jailbreaked and no issues with that process a touch and my existing phone will do everything I want.

If you think I'm daft consider that the CrackBerry is supposed to be the b-all end-all for business users. The reality is that businesses use it for email and that's it period! They all use normal mobiles in addition to the BlackBerry and the other features are never used because the BlackBerry only excels at Push Email which is what it's needed for.

I'll bet you the usual wager (a packet of Polo Mints) that the Touch is a big success because it straddles markets and it's got the iPhones killer app the toucheyness and design without the price tag of the contract.

I will get one and let you know if I have the same opinion in 6 months / a years time. :)

I don't really get why people would buy an iPod touch: they may as well just buy an iPhone surely? iPod touch just appears to be an iPhone which doesn't make phonecalls for not much less money.

£35/Month for 18 months saving for someone who doesn't want to be tied to an O2 contract?

Am I the only person who likes gadgets and technology never to have touched an iAnything in their entire lives? I can't see what all the fuss is about! The iPod seems to have become the universal noun in some quarters (eg: BBC) for an MP3 player. Surely an iPod is just another MP3 player, albeit one that ties you into using bundled software rather than just being able to drag and drop whatever you like? And isn't an iPhone just a NokiaN95 with touchscreen, but without 3G, GPS, 5mp Camera, etc?

Fuck that. I'm getting an N95 8gb for my next phone. Apple pisses me off because it's jsut so fucking ubiquitous.

hahah yes i have no "i" things either. infact i love flashing my phones and mp3 players around and generally mocking apple users. your hardware sucks!

hahah yes i have no "i" things either. infact i love flashing my phones and mp3 players around and generally mocking apple users. your hardware sucks!

yeah, and you suck your hardware ;)

yes... but does it play tapes ;)

hahah yes i have no "i" things either. infact i love flashing my phones and mp3 players around and generally mocking apple users. your hardware sucks!

What does my hard ware suck? Am looking and it doesn't seem to be trying to suck on anything? :dunno: Its just sat there on my desk, I haven't seen go to the freezer for an ice lolly or anything.

:hahano:

£35/Month for 18 months saving for someone who doesn't want to be tied to an O2 contract?

Which bit of "You can't make phone calls on an iPod" are you guys struggling with?

Which bit of "You can't make phone calls on an iPod" are you guys struggling with?

You asked the question;

I don't really get why people would buy an iPod touch: they may as well just buy an iPhone surely? iPod touch just appears to be an iPhone which doesn't make phonecalls for not much less money.
If someone wants an iPod that is just like the iPhone but doesn't care for making phone calls with it or being tied to an £35/month contract for a year and a half , that's why they would buy the iPod Touch, ne?

...being tied to an £35/month contract for a year and a half

that's why I'm not getting one...

Vodafone has won an injunction preventing T-Mobile from selling the iPhone in Germany. T-Mobile is Apple's exclusive carrier partner in Europe's biggest market.

The lawsuit challenges T-Mobile's exclusivity arrangement with Apple. There's some confusion about the extent of the injunction - with Dow Jones reporting a total ban on sales as a consequence of the Hamburg court's decision, while other news services suggest that sales can proceed if the iPhone is available SIM-free *.

Vodafone's German boss Friedrich Joussen denied the goal was an outright iPhone ban: "We want it to be available to buyers without a mandatory calling plan. If I had wanted to halt sales, I could have, but I didn't," he said in a statement.

Under French law, Orange must offer a SIM-free version of the iPhone alongside one tied to a contract.

Vodafone's lawsuit is a significant challenge to Apple's go-to-market strategy, and therefore the business model it has devised for the iPhone. Apple takes the traditional network operator's subsidy, but doesn't use it to subsidise the phone. The company has also demanded a share of revenues generated by the device.

In an interview published yesterday, Vodafone CEO Arun Sarin described the iPhone as "a pretty poor experience", and said his company insisted on the right to call the shots.

"Whoever comes into the marketplace is going to have to work through us," he vowed.

Steve Jobs shouldn't take it personally, though. Network operators fight a constant battle to keep handset manufacturers with "cool" brands from setting the pace and negotiating a better price. For example, when Orange unveiled its latest phones, there were no models from either Nokia or Motorola. ®

anyone want to explain to me why apple have to sell sim free versions in france and germany but not in the uk even though we have the same law!

Sorry to bring up this boring thread, but I found this quite funny:


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Yeah, but to be honest, I'd pick the I-Phone over that Samsung. I mean just look at it. It looks like some horizontally challanged late 50's business man would have. :dunno:

Unlocked iphones can be bought easily online.

Any simcard, no contract.

New iPhone came out today with 16GB Memory on it and its only £329.00. rip off and also a new Ipod Touch came out with 32GB of Memory and that's also a massive £329! The prices are totally insane.

I'm leaving this reply using my iPhone.
I get 500 txts and 600 min per month and free and unlimited Internet browsing for only £35 a month this would come to nearly £200 a month on my old t-mobile. I spent about £60 a month on my old phone on credit a month and have been meaning to get a contract phone and also get an mp3 player so getting this was a wise choice for me.
Also being able to surf a web browser that looks just as it does in my PC while on boring car trips and have it be a pretty fast speed is amazing.

I get 500 txts and 600 min per month and free and unlimited Internet browsing for only £35 a month this would come to nearly £200 a month on my old t-mobile. .

eh?

http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/price-plans/pay-monthly/webnwalk/18mth-flext-35-webnwalk/

500 txts X 10p = £50

600 min X 20p = £120

= £170

+ net and also much of the time my calls were more than 20p because I remember recieving txts informing me my calls now cost me only 20p ever few weeks, but i had no idea what they cost before that.


Anyhoo
Adding up the number of txts and minutes I have on my contract to the price of them through my pay as you go phone is how I got to that number.