Hyderabad Outer Ring Road [Archive]

Hindustani

February 13th, 2006, 01:04 AM

When will construction start? Is there a website that they have put up?

YSR's directive on ORR
Hyderabad | February 09, 2006 8:43:02 PM IST

Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy today directed officials to complete all the formalities before March end and commence the work on proposed eight-lane Outer Ring Road (ORR) covering a stretch of 159 km by the first week of April.
According to an offical release here, Dr Reddy gave the directions while reviewing the progress of various infrastructure projects at the Secretariat.

He made it clear under no circumstances the programme should be postponed. Even if developers did not come forward, the work should begin with the funds from Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (HUDA).

The officials informed him consultants and developers from countries like Dubai, Japan, Malaysia have evinced keen interest in the proposed project and all the requisite formalities would be completed by the end of March.

Dr Reddy also reviewed at a different meeting the progress and performance of Roads and Buildings Department and directed the officials to take all the possibile steps to repair the potholes on roads.

He agreed to write a letter to the Centre urging it to consider the request to upgrade the 17 state highways to National Highways.

pding

February 13th, 2006, 01:27 AM

this is one thing that YSR has learnt from CBN. publicizing himself especially when it comes to infrastructure and development issues like roads, and others. he's trying hard to attract the urban voters (90% of whom voted for CBN last elections and were dissappointed at YSR winning).

before the next elections in 2009, if the phase I of ORR gets all done along with HIAL and FabCity commences production, YSR will win second term hands down, no questions asked.

cncity

February 13th, 2006, 04:03 PM

This project looks really awesome. It'll give Hyd an edge over other cities in India. Hopefully its completed with a faster pace like the Delhi metro.

February 19th, 2006, 07:21 AM

truly amazing !

magestom

March 28th, 2006, 07:48 PM

We need more information on this! It is a huge project!!!

centralized pandemonium

March 29th, 2006, 04:11 AM

Awesome!!!!!!! Now the metro alongside is a new metro or the MMTS?

ramkan

March 29th, 2006, 08:13 AM

The renderings are from a proposal given by Dubai Govt. They are not final.

They plan to leave enough space to run the New Metro(when operational) along the ORR

March 29th, 2006, 01:31 PM

www.hyderabadringroad.com

check this out for more info.

Babji

March 30th, 2006, 03:33 AM

The Govt is also planning to develop some of the existing roads for better connectivity to the ORR.
(I think this also a part of the Hyd Vision 2020 Plan document) ...

Details of Radial Roads Connecting Inner Ring Road to the proposed ORR

S.No. Name of the road From To Length of the road (in Kms.)
1 Bangalore Highway Katedan (to) Shamshabad 8.0
2 Rajendranagar University Road APAU Entrance (to) Himayatsagar bund 7.00
3 Himayatsagar Road Mohalnagar Jn. (to) State Police Academy 6.60
4 Narsingi Jn. Narsingi jn. (to) Mohalnagar Jn. 3.50
5 Gandipet water channel Retibowli (to) Khajaguda 5.40
6 Old Bombay road Retibowli (to) Gachibowli 11.30
7 Extension of Hi-tech city road (from) Panjagutta (to) ORR (near Edulanagulapally) 30.00
8 Manjeera Phase-I pipe line road Panjagutta Hafeezpet 13.50
9 NH9 Bombay road Panjagutta Patancheruvu 33.00
10 Secunderabad - Bombay road Paradise jn. Balanagar 6.40
11 Narsapur Highway HMT junction ORR (near Dommara Pochampally) 18.00
12 Nagpur Highway NH7 Paradise Jn. Suchitra Electronic Jeedimetla 21.00
13 Paradise - Hasmathpet Paradise jn. Old Alwal 10.00
14 Rajeev Rahadari Plaza Jn. Lothkunta 22.80
15 Radhika theatre to ORR Radhika theatre ORR (near Narsampally) 14.50
16 Keesaragutta road Kushaiguda Keesara 15.20
17 Nacharam road Mallapur ROB Cherlapally 13.30
18 Chengicherla - Mallapur road Survey of India Chengicherla (near ORR) 11.00
19 Warangal NH 202 Uppal Jn. Narapally 10.10
20 North Musi river drain Nagole bridge Muthwalguda 12.00
21 South Musi river drain Nagole bridge Qutubullapur 12.00
22 Nagole-Thattiannaram road Nagole Jn. Kuntloor 11.00
23 Moosarambagh - Kuntloor road Moosarambagh Kuntloor 7.00
24 N.H.No.9 Dilsukhnagar Hayatnagar 9.00
25 Nagarjunasagar State Highway Bahadurguda Injapur 9.30
26 Midhani-Badangipet DRDL Jn. Nadargul 13.00
27 DRDL-Imarat Research road Chandrayangutta (DRDL Jn.) Imarat Research Jn, 12.00
28 Srisailam State Highway Chandrayangutta Pahadisharif 11.20
29 Others 32.50

TOTAL 389.60 Kms
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kronik

March 30th, 2006, 06:57 PM

ORR alignment changed near Fab City in Hyd (http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?storyflag=y&leftnm=lmnu2&leftindx=2&lselect=1&chklogin=N&autono=220567)

The Andhra Pradesh government has issued fresh orders to allow changes in the alignment of the Outer Ring Road (ORR) project near the proposed Fab City. The orders states that the changes are necessary to avoid pollution and vibrations from vehicular traffic.

The government is forced to revise the plan as the notified alignment of ORR, which was approved through orders issued on December 12, 2005, would cut across the proposed Fab City.

During a meeting held in February, 2006, Fab City authorities had insisted that the road should not be laid across the Fab City area as not only the dust levels should be bare minimum, but also the industry proposed under the project is sensitive to vibrations generated on the expressway. They also said that the pollution generated during the construction activity of the expressway would hamper the work of Fab City.

According to the orders, Fab City officials have insisted on either shifting the alignment of ORR or alternatively acquisition of additional land on one side.

Since the acquisition of additional land is time consuming and also expected to result in the delay of Fab City project, the government has decided to allow changes in the alignment on the northern side of ORR, which is on the southern side of Tukkuguda village.

hmm, finding land for ORR, that shouldnt be a problem, should it, considering the netas have already lapped all of it up?

Babji

March 31st, 2006, 02:56 AM

Hopefully, it shouldnt be a problem.
Newindexpress reported yesterday (3/30/2006) that 314 acres have already been aquired for ORR phase-I.
HUDA is now on the lookout for funds to start land aquisition for phase-II.

ramkan

April 1st, 2006, 09:25 AM

Hyderabad, March 31: The Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (Huda) has proposed yet another “final” alignment for its proposed Outer Ring Road (ORR), uprooting 150 more families. his is the fifth in the series of ‘final’ realignments proposed by the Huda for the 160-km road. Already, 3,000 families are in the list of affected people.

“This is injustice,” says Mr S. Balaiah, an elder in Mankal village. “It was Indira Gandhi who gave us this land and now her daughter-in-law is taking it away.” As per the latest realignment, the ORR would pass through houses and agricultural lands of villages such as Mankal, Raviryal and Srinagar. In Mankal, it would also run over an entire Scheduled Caste Colony.

The villagers were trying to come to terms with the news. B. Danaiah, 60, who has a house and one acre and 30 guntas land in Mankal, is deeply worried. “Huda officials did not even have the courtesy to inform the local people about their fate. We learned about it through newspapers,” he said. He had recently fixed the marriage of his daughters and had promised to give equal halves of the land to the grooms.

“What will I do?” he asks. “I will be left with no choice but to commit suicide along with my daughters.” Other villagers like S. Padmaja, Shankaraiah and K. Sanjeevaiah had built pucca houses recently after taking loans. “Why do they have to build the road over the dwellings of poor people?” they say.

Sources said that the latest realignment was necessitated by the Fab City project. As per the earlier alignment, the ORR would have passed through the Fab City. Huda’s ORR project director Peeyush Kumar said the realignment was made since Fab City was a prestigious project. “This is in the interests of the villagers and the State as a whole,” he said. “If villagers have complaints, they can approach the high-level committee.”

pding

April 1st, 2006, 05:09 PM

i hope this is final

magestom

April 2nd, 2006, 08:22 AM

This project seems to be on schedule! When will the full 150km be completed?

Naga_Solidus

April 2nd, 2006, 11:25 AM

theyre hoping to finish all 161km by June/July 2008. Pase 1, or 22km worth of motorway between Shamshabad and Gachibowli (not to be confused with the 11.5km Gachibowli-Medhipatnam motorway) will be completed by mid-07, ditto for the 11.5km motorway.

pding

April 2nd, 2006, 04:52 PM

Naga: i think it is Mehdipatnam-Shamshabad motorway not Gachibowli-Mehdipatnam.

Innova Cool

April 2nd, 2006, 05:04 PM

ORR, Motorways......really..Hyderabad is havin' a bright future.. :)

Babji

April 2nd, 2006, 06:26 PM

Radial Roads Connecting Inner Ring Road to the ORR:
(Old Bombay road) Retibowli (to) Gachibowli 11.30 Km
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Elevated Express Highway:
Mehdipatnam to Rajendranagar (NH7) 11.5 km (Aug 2009)
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ORR Phase I: Gacchibowli to Shamshabad 22km (Nov 2008)
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Babji

April 2nd, 2006, 11:24 PM

ORR Phase - 2: from Shamshabad to Hayatnagar (2010?)
ORR Phase - 3: from Hayatnagar to Shamirpet (2012?)
ORR Phase - 4: from Shamirpet to Patancheru and back to Gachibowli (2114?).
=========== (according to an old release, don't know the source) ==
update ...
== summary of ORR phase II-A (Narsingi to Pathancheru and Shamshabad to Pedda Amberpet: 62-km 5-packages Annuity-Model 2010-2011).
Narsingi-Kollur and Kollur-Patancheru: (W-I-P)
Pedda Amberpet-Bongulur and Bongulur-Tukkuguda-Shamshabad: (W-I-P)

== summary of ORR phase II-B (Patancheru to Pedda Amberpet via Ghatkesar, Cheriyal, Shamirpet, Medchal and Kandlakoya 72-km JBIC-Loan 2012-2013)
Patancheru to Mallampet: Somdatt-Ramky
Mallampt to Dundigal: Gayatri Projects Ltd.
Dundigal to Shamirpet: KNR-GVR.

pding

April 3rd, 2006, 02:39 AM

did u mean 2014 and not 2114. the phase 3, if it takes 100 years, then we all should be proud about it. jk jk jk

Babji

April 3rd, 2006, 02:46 AM

oops! a typo. I mean 2014.

Naga_Solidus

April 3rd, 2006, 04:41 AM

That doesn't sound too right to me, I thought it was all to be finished by mid 08, and at wordst by mid 09, according to the latest releases.

Babji

April 3rd, 2006, 05:14 AM

ORR Phase I: Gacchibowli to Shamshabad 22km - this is what they are targeting for mid 2008. this 22km stretch is divided into two parts (roughly 11+11km) and they are floating two different tenders (hoping to find two different builders, so they can be more sure of completing this crucial first phase, in time for the HIAL). HUDA is taking up this work (funding w/ bank loans). Actual works on this phase are expected to start April 2006.

As far as Phase - 2, 3 and 4 are concerned, works are still on the drawing board. Dubai company has presented their LOI and a proposal. (Japanese are also showing interest). Next step will be that HUDA will call for tenders.
In the mean time, HUDA will complete land aquistion. i guess.

Babji

April 3rd, 2006, 06:14 AM

Date:23/03/2006 URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/03/23/stories/2006032318930400.htm
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Deadline set for ORR phase I

HYDERABAD: Chief Minister Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy has directed the officials concerned to ensure the completion of the first phase of the outer ring road by the end of December 2007. The Chief Minister who watched a presentation made on the project said a pert chart should be prepared for the speedy launch and completion of the project...

In the first phase, the proposed ORR would connect Hitec City, Indian School of Business, Hardware Park and the international airport...

Babji

April 3rd, 2006, 06:26 AM

http://www.thehindu.com/2006/03/29/stories/2006032919230300.htm
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314 acres of land acquired for ORR

HYDERABAD: Minister for Municipal Administration Koneru Ranga Rao has said that an extent of 314 acres of land has been acquired for formation of Outer Ring Road (ORR) under phase-I.

In a report tabled in the House on Tuesday in response to a question by G. Kishan Reddy (BJP) and others, Mr. Ranga Rao said apart from 314 acres, another 2,066 acres was being acquired for setting up of industries. ...

The survey work was under progress for the phase-II ORR that covers 69 villages was under progress.

pding

April 3rd, 2006, 09:45 PM

i think the deadline for the last phase is 2010-2012. def not 2014.

Babji

April 4th, 2006, 12:54 PM

the dynamics of transportation engg in India are a little slow ... and there is also a people factor (Relocation & Rehabilitaion, aquisition, compensation, political involvement etc).

pding

April 4th, 2006, 08:57 PM

true. but they should make all efforts to finish all phases by 2010 or '11 by the latest.

Babji

April 14th, 2006, 01:33 AM

http://www.deccan.com/City/CityNews.asp
4 banks agree to fund ORR phase-1

Hyderabad, April 13: The Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (Huda), that was desperately looking for financiers for the Outer Ring Road (ORR) project, has finally got the much-required breather. A consortium of four banks — Andhra Bank, Indian Overseas Bank, Bank of Baroda and Vijaya Bank has agreed to loan Rs 500 crores, an estimated cost to execute the 24-km phase-I of the ORR.

Works on the ORR phase-I starting from Gachibowli to Shamshabad International airport will be grounded on June 1. The Huda has called for financial bids to execute the phase-I works from 22 national and international companies which had qualified for the project in pre-qualification tender process. The lowest bidder would be awarded the contract. When contacted, ORR project director Peeyush Kumar confirmed that the consortium of banks have agreed to fund the phase-I of the ORR and the Huda has decided to give money to executing agency and not land. However, the fate of ORR phase-II hangs in balance, as the Huda is still not clear about who will execute the project.

IndiansUnite

April 14th, 2006, 03:03 AM

Thanks,those renderings are awesome!! A ring road and an out ring road are the most important roads a city should have to make it world class.All big US cities have a circular interstate around them and its good to see Hyd getting one!

When I was back in Delhi,I used to live dead in the center of both the rr and the or,with the AIIMS flyover(rr) on one end and ther IIT flyover on the other(orr).
Thanks for sharing with us once again!

SURYA

April 22nd, 2006, 02:09 PM

http://www.hindu.com/pp/2006/04/22/stories/2006042200280100.htm

Baiting them with bonds

Many are poised to lose prime plots to the ORR project. Grumbles and whines were heard all around. The State answered with land bonds. M. L. Melly Maitreyifinds out how it benefits all parties involved
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LEAP TO PROGRESS: A sketch of the proposed Outer Ring Road project
Any development project, irrespective of its projected long term spin off benefits, meets with initial resistance when time comes for land acquisition.

The Rs.3,500 crore Outer Ring Road project and its Growth Corridor touted to change the face of Hyderabad is no different. With the hype surrounding these projects increasing the land value to astronomical heights, it is not easy to convince land owners to part with their land.

Several villagers set to lose their lands for the ORR had a valid point when they sought to know why they should allow a third party to make money on the land acquired from them at nominal rate citing public cause.

With the Government allotting only land for ORR, the consortia that would take up the highly capital intensive project look at commercial exploitation of the land to earn profit on their investment.

The ORR project authorities after several rounds of deliberations on the compensation package have hit upon a novel mode of Transferable/Redeemable Land Bonds as part of package. It is a proposal that should benefit everyone in the long run and pave way for cooperation of land losers for the speedy execution of the project, they say.

As the ORR growth corridor would be developed as a world class facility with special regulations to ensure its planned development, the one km on either side of ORR encompassing 80,000 acres in 113 villages would have enormous value that would appreciate multiple times in the years to come.

Winners all

The unique compensation package with land bonds should earn the land losers rich rewards and dividends if they manage their bonds well, they emphasise.

The ORR Project Director Piyush Kumar said that the first of its kind land compensation model in the State based on Gujarat, Mumbai and Gurgaon experience was an improvement over the Transferable Development Rights under town planning.

Under the scheme, Government would pay basic compensation for the land losers besides offering them land bonds measurable in sq.ft.

As the initial permission for construction in growth corridor would be restricted to G + 5 floors, a builder would have to purchase the land bonds from the land loser to go for higher floors.

Those losing land for Special Amenities Zone near junctions would also have an option of choosing bonds or 10 per cent of developed land with high-added value apart from upfront compensation they would get.

The number of sq.ft. a person to be allotted and bond conversion rate table would be fixed by a Government appointed committee, Mr.Kumar said.

Weight in gold!

The ORR Growth Corridor is expected to invite investments from all over the world. This in turn would fuel urban infrastructure growth for future and with it, the land value.

We have already seen it happening in Machirevula, Narsingi, Gachibowli along the first phase of ORR. The land bonds could yield unimaginable returns in future given the present trend.

Piyush Kumar
ORR Project Director

Babji

April 22nd, 2006, 05:13 PM

"Transferable/Redeemable Land Bonds" is certainly a great idea. these bonds can be traded like shares.
I hope the GoAP will do enough to educate the land loosers so, they benefit most.

vibs89

April 23rd, 2006, 11:31 PM

Ahh that's awesome good to see Hydrabad having on. Hope it expands in other metropolitan cities.

vadi

April 26th, 2006, 09:56 PM

i just read that report on TDR in Hindu. you beat me to it.
it cool that Hyd is trying it. Blr has some success with in its road expansion plans. i believe guj has some good solns to this prob.
its a pity they didnot use this in BMIC and other projs in blr. it would have gone much smoother.

magestom

May 20th, 2006, 11:07 PM

This project is not gonna die right?

Babji

May 20th, 2006, 11:14 PM

Rome is not built in a day!
A project of this size and impact has to pass several hurdles.
works might start this winter, if not summer.

excerpts from the last update from HUDA:

ORR Phase I: Gacchibowli to Shamshabad 22km - this is what they are targeting for mid 2008. this 22km stretch is divided into two parts (roughly 11+11km) and they are floating two different tenders.
HUDA is taking up this work (funded by consortium of banks).
Actual works on this phase are expected to start April/June 2006.

magestom

May 20th, 2006, 11:15 PM

http://i4.tinypic.com/106zknt.jpg

harsh1802

May 21st, 2006, 01:37 AM

Gud rendering there magestom!

;)

cruise_biker

May 23rd, 2006, 11:24 AM

Has the ground work been started?.if not any idea when the project is actually going to take off.

bommasaniv

May 23rd, 2006, 11:41 AM

cruise_biker

May 23rd, 2006, 11:50 AM

I accept what you say Venki.I also read that the MMTS is a failure at present.They have reduced the frequency of the trains as there are not enough commuters boarding it.

I am from Chennai and Chennai has an EMU service.I will tell you what I have observed in Chennai.When the EMU service was started,there were no takers for the trains,but later slowly and gradually the lines were extended and the places surrounding the stations started to develop and people who bought their houses there or moved their business there were completely dependent on the trains.So in Chennai if you see,the middle class people who cannot afford the private transport usually take the trains and so they settle across the length of the lines.This process took several years and so the EMU is a good hit.

So MMTS may be a failure now,but it will take some years for it to develop into a efficient transport system.Till then Government has to operate the trains and get the confidence of the people.

I am just telling my point of view here..

bommasaniv

May 23rd, 2006, 11:50 AM

unable to post pictures

bommasaniv

May 23rd, 2006, 11:56 AM

Correct, but you can't compare Chennai with Hyderabad. Hyderabad doesn't even have half the population of Chennai. At present the population of Hyd is only 39lakhs. If converted to Greater hyderabad then its population will reach aroung 50lakhs. But Chennai's population more than a core and imagine if Chennai is converted to Greater Chennai!!! :runaway:

cruise_biker

May 23rd, 2006, 12:02 PM

No Venky,I was just trying to tell that MMTS will play a major role in the future.They are long term plans and so we cant expect things to happen so fast :-)

pding

May 23rd, 2006, 04:16 PM

i completely disagree. creating an efficient public transport will reduce the number of private vehicles. also, Hyd metro populatoin is 60 Lakhs+. if you think Hyd has no traffic problems and an bottlenecks then say we don't need metro. but the current scenario is the complete opposite. when hyd's population is 70-80 lakhs then the cost of the project will escalate to enormous levels from now, which it self is pretty huge.

Hindustani

May 23rd, 2006, 05:47 PM

The MRTS system in Hyderabad is a big failure. SC.Rly has already reduced the number of trains running on various lines. Developing a Metro for a city which has less than 4million population is just waste of peoples money. They should have the plan in place and as soon as the population crosses 7million or 8million then they should give it a go. Please don't waste public money for useless things :bash:

I disagree totally. Hyderabad metro population is more than 6 million now. Hyderabad urban pop is less than 4 million. By 2010 Hyd metro pop is estimated around 8-9 million so this means lots of IT/pharma/biotech influx into the metropolitan region. Best time to build Metro is right now. or else hyderabad will end up with all troubles with the likes of other 4 Indian metros.

Worse yet. Hyd has narrower & fewer roads than Delhi, calcutta, bombay, madras & bangalore. If efficient metro along with ORR and other expressway not added in next 4 yrs by 2010, living in Hyd will be a torturous.

adheet

May 23rd, 2006, 07:01 PM

I completely agree with cruise_biker, pding, and hindustani.

bommasaniv:
I feel that most Indian cities need well implemented mass transit systems (Hyd MRTS was really very poorly implemented). Infact, we should start thinking about one for Vizag too. As we know, these things take a really long time to turn into reality in India. Chennai is considered to have a good public transportation system today because their local train system was built when Chennai's population was less than what Vizag's population is today.

Krav

May 23rd, 2006, 09:08 PM

bommasaniv,
Please do your research before you start discrediting the need for a
metro in a city.

Hyderabad metro area has a current population of between 6 - 7 million
people as various surveys only give an estimate of what a cities
population is because of the lack of an exhaustive census (which only
happens once in a decade).

According to this link:
World Atlas - Largest Cities of the World - by population (http://worldatlas.com/citypops.htm)
Hyderabad has a population of 6.8 million and according to them Chennai
has a population of 6.6 million (which must be a mistake as Chennai's
population I guess must be closer to 7.5 million by now).

Hyderabad I believe will have a population of between 8-9 million in the
metro area by the end of this decade.

The road surface area as a percentage of city size is pretty low for
Hyderabad among the major cities in India. We are already seeing a
huge traffic management crisis with ever-increasing number of vehicles
on the roads everyday. And the number of private vehicle owners is only
going to increase with increasing population and wealth.

We need a metro, we need the ORR and we need to increase the road
surface area in the city ASAP if we are serious about providing
the right kind of environment for business to grow in the city.

If you are not convinced yet I suggest you to visit Hyderabad and travel
the major roads of the city during rush hour and see the problem for
yourself.

pding

May 23rd, 2006, 10:44 PM

also, if you think this is a waste of public funds then tell the politicians to do something about corruption. that'll save India thousands of crores every year and that way the rural poor might actually benefit from the funding they're getting through the flagshipt programs of Congress Gov't.

ramkan

May 24th, 2006, 12:58 AM

Though MMTS did not succeed as per the state govt expectation, the investment was mere 162 crores. This was the idea conceived by Mr. Naidu (when he was CM) and Mr. Dattatreyulu(former railway minister) to collaborate and share costs to establish some kind of mass public transport quickly and with out spending lot of money.

Each KM will cost more than 170 crores(as per Reliance estimates in Mumbai) for the new metro. So i do not think it was waste of lot of public money. However, the decision was rational based on the existing railway lines and stations within the City. They did extend few lines and built new stations. It was a very good idea to increase public mobility in a cost effective way.

However, it did not attract large urban crowds. The failure was because of the following factors.

1. The trains did not really appeal to public, due to poor design(despite best efforts by railway coach factory), lack of publicity etc..
2. Differences between state govt and railways in running the trains. Railways was looking at profit making routes where as state govt was insisting on more frequency and bigger routes to make it success in a long term by attracting more people.
3. Not planning feeder bus routes to stations
4. Not having any follow up plan or any transport authority in place to oversee the whole integration of bus and MMTS.

As with any public transport project, building infrastructure is one-thing constantly keeping up to people needs and evolving is important to succeed.

I hope a lesson learnt atleast for the upcoming metro..

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/5149/mmtsnecklaceroadstation67lh.jpg

ramkan

May 24th, 2006, 01:01 AM

Does anyone know how much the metro would cost for HYD.

Guess Estimate would be 170 crores x 100 km. Atleast 17000 crores?

Babji

May 24th, 2006, 01:56 AM

Does anyone know how much the metro would cost for HYD.

Guess Estimate would be 170 crores x 100 km. Atleast 17000 crores?

according to initial estimates:
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Miyapur–Chaitanyapuri ............... 26.27 km with 25 stations,
Tarnaka-Panjagutta-Hitec City .... 20 km
Sec-bad-Falaknuma via Charminar. 13.18 km with 14 stations
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estimated cost:........................... Rs. 6,366 Crore.
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Several things have changed since then, like extension of some of the corridors,
new plans for integrated stations, world class commercial complexes at major stations etc.
there are also proposals to go for monorail for Sec-bad - Falknuma corridor.

pding

May 24th, 2006, 02:13 AM

i'd say the final figure will prolly be something like 7000-8000 crore.

magestom

May 24th, 2006, 05:04 AM

Huda to sell 3,500 acres for ORR

With the government allocating about 2,000 acres of land on the outskirts of the city to the Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (Huda) to generate funds for phase-I of the Outer Ring Road (ORR) project, the civic authority is planning to sell 3,500 acres of land, including 1,500 acres of its own, in a phased manner in the next three years. The authorities are planning to sell only a portion of the total land for phase-I so that the better areas can be preserved till there is a rise in land value.

Work on phase-I was to have begun last year, but was postponed to March this year, and then to May. Since just one week is left in May, this deadline is going to be overshot too.

Out of the 1,500 acres of its own land Huda is planning to sell, 1,000 acres lie in Jawaharnagar in Shamirpet mandal and 500 acres in Kokapet in Rajendranagar mandal. The Rangareddy administration has already written a letter to the commissioner of land administration to hand over the land to Huda.

Huda is planning to strike a good deal for the Jawaharnagar land. It would either be sold or leased out.

The decision will be made in a day or two. The land allotted by the government in Rajendranagar and Shamshabad areas would be preserved till the inauguration of the international airport so that funds generated from them could be used for phase-II of the ORR, an official said.

magestom

May 24th, 2006, 05:07 AM

http://www.hindu.com/2006/05/24/stories/2006052418490200.htm

ORR project gets going at last

Work on the first phase set to commence from June

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Thanks to competitive bidding, estimated cost comes down by 13 per cent
High-level panel headed by Chief Secretary to finalise developer
Focus on pockets to be allotted to international bidders
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HYDERABAD: Things are moving in the right track at last for the prestigious Outer Ring Road (ORR) project and the work on the first phase is set to start from June.

When the financial bids for the first phase were opened on Tuesday, it certainly gladdened the hearts of HUDA authorities as the competitive bidding by international companies brought down the estimated cost by 13 per cent.

HUDA funding

While HUDA estimated the first phase cost at Rs. 590 crores, it was bid for Rs. 513 crores and HUDA would fund the project through bank loan. A high-level committee headed by Chief Secretary would meet on May 29 to finalise the developer and in the mean time, technical committee would evaluate the proposals submitted by the bidders, according to ORR Project Director Piyush Kumar.

With the alignment for ORR second phase which had to be shifted in certain stretches notified once and for all, the authorities are now focussing on pockets of work to be assigned to international bidders. The work allotment would commence first in three pockets of 10 km to 12 km each out of ten pockets from Narsingi to Kollur, Kollur to Patancheru and Shamshabad to Srisailam Road and would be completed by September . Work assignment in remaining pockets of second phase of ORR would be completed by December, he said.

Apart from bank loan, HUDA would adopt different financial assistance models apart from Central Government aid to fund the entire project, he said

klein

May 24th, 2006, 06:02 AM

Is the ORR going to be elevated ( like the autobahns ) or is going to on
ground level ?

harsh1802

May 24th, 2006, 06:59 AM

I disagree totally. Hyderabad metro population is more than 6 million now. Hyderabad urban pop is less than 4 million. By 2010 Hyd metro pop is estimated around 8-9 million so this means lots of IT/pharma/biotech influx into the metropolitan region. Best time to build Metro is right now. or else hyderabad will end up with all troubles with the likes of other 4 Indian metros.

Yeah I agree.

When u talk abt Hyderabad's population (officially it's around 5million) we shld consider the fact tht the official population doesn't consider the whole of the twin cities . I believe they leave out much of the main parts and also some of the dense parts of the regions as they either fall into secunderabad or other surrounding districts. I think i'm pretty sure on this.....

My estimate is tht it is already btween 7 and 8 million as of now!

Say wht guys? :)

bommasaniv

May 24th, 2006, 11:49 AM

Guys, what i said is correct. Please click on the below link, it is a govt of AP website and in that it is clearly posted that Hyderabad population according to 2001 sensus is 38odd lakhs. So in these 5 years it could have increased another 2 lakhs and not more than that. But if at all Greater Hyderabad (which is in high court) becomes a reality then it could reach 5.5million or 6million to the most not more than that.

http://www.aponline.gov.in/Quick%20links/apfactfile/info%20on%20districts/hyderabad.html

I dont say that Metro is not necessary for Hyderabad, it is needed. But for the time being not a criteria. Just look at the pathetic condition of MRTS in Hyderabad, SCRly and AP govt have invested a sum of 40cores and they were unable get even half of that amount. Now, the state govt has withdrawn from the expansion of that project due to huge losses incurred. So, before going ga ga for a METRO, better improve MRTS and check the demand, patronage and then go ahead.

ramkan

May 24th, 2006, 05:20 PM

I seriously doubt the financial viability of such a project for a city like HYDERABAD.

Hindustani

May 24th, 2006, 05:40 PM

Attention Everyone.................This thread is titled "Hyderabad 160 km OUTER RING ROAD Renderings". Please post ORR updates, news, renderings. Lets not turn this thread into Hyderabad metro thread.

As of now, I'm starting "Hyderabad Discussions" thread in CHAIBAR. Please debate whether Hyd needs a metro or not in this CHAIBAR thread. It seems like there are quite a few of forumers who are interested in debating. :)

ramkan

May 28th, 2006, 06:43 AM

Hyderabad, May 27: A Russian firm, Corporation Transstroy Open Joint Stock Company, and Continental Engineering Corporation from Taiwan have emerged as the lowest bidders for the two packages to build the 28-km Phase-I of the Outer Ring Road.

The eight-lane access-controlled road will connect Gachibowli with the international airport at Shamshabad. It is expected to be completed in 18 months. The Russian company had made the lowest quotations for both the packages but the government has stipulated that one company cannot get both the packages. The Russians opted to keep the first package, leaving the second one for the Taiwanese company.

Transstroy quoted Rs 219 crore for the 11-km stretch between Gachibowli and Andhra Pradesh Police Academy (APPA), 19 per cent less than the estimated cost. Taiwan’s CEC was the second lowest bidder to build the road between Andhra Pradesh Police Academy and the Shamshabad international airport, quoting Rs 295 crore which is 13 per cent less than the estimated cost.

Going by the bids, the government will save Rs 76 crore of the estimated Rs 590 crore cost of the project. The government is financing the road with loans from a consortium of banks. Transstroy is the legal successor of the erstwhile USSR government’s ministry of transport corporation. It is involved in mining, roads, oil exploration and energy. The Taiwanese firm has executed several projects including the Taiwan High Speed Rail, MRT system and a part of the national highway in Vietnam.

Official sources told this correspondent that a high-level committee headed by chief secretary T.K. Dewan will meet on Friday next will formalise the decision of awarding the contract to the two firms. Officials involved in the Outer Ring Road project were upbeat and said the work could be grounded in June.

“They will be asked to start the work immediately,” a senior official said. He said work relating to three packages for the second phase would be grounded in September. The 35-km stretch is estimated to cost Rs 750 crore, sources said. The three packages are the 23-km Narsingi-Kollur and Kollur-Pattancheru sections, and the 12-km stretech from Shamshabad to Srisailam highway where the Fab City is proposed.

These constructors will be paid on annuity basis. “The companies will raise funds on their own and the government repay with annual instalments,” a senior official of the Hyderabad Urban Development Authority said explaining the annuity system. “The government would be relieved of the burden of mobilising funds.” Sources said the officials had proposed to the government to raise bonds from the financial market to fund the remaining phases of the ORR.

The government has already formed the Growth Corridor Company Limited in which Hyderabad Urban Development Authority has 60 per cent stake and the Infrastructure Corporation of Andhra Pradesh, 40 per cent. Indications are that GCCL will be allowed to float bonds on its name.

Naga_Solidus

May 28th, 2006, 07:23 AM

Yay!!!

Ajaypp

May 28th, 2006, 09:51 AM

Gud goin. Infrastructure construction in India is becoming truely international these days....lol.

May 28th, 2006, 02:34 PM

This project will probably change the face of Hyderabad for good if it is built as per what the renderings show. A metro line along with the ORR will certainly make the satellite townships a reality.

What I think the GoAP should do is to develop theme based industrial clusters sandwiched between the residential townships along the ORR with metro having stations at every place.

Here is what I have in mind (call it a wish list or a pipe dream):

1. New capital city (admin, beaurocratic, diplomatic etc. with expansive avenues, boulavads, a huge square for rallies, parades, public demonstrations etc.)

2. New Sports city (sports arenas, stadiums, dev authorities etc)

3. New Medical city (famous hospitals, research centres, medical tourism etc.)

4. New Bio-tech city (biotech research centres, stem cell research, biotech parks)

5. A Pharma city (a huge pharma park with all the facilities for affluent processing,

infrastructure for setting up production and research faciilities)

6. New academic/education city (which should have all the major modern university campuses of state, national and international repute, think tanks, etc.)

7. An IT city (ofcourse on a much bigger scale say 20,000 acres)

8. A Financial district (which should house all the major banks and their head or regional head offices, financial service providers, govt regulatory bodies, insurnace houses, MNC banks, a state of the art electronic stock exchange, brokerage houses etc.etc.)

9. A Shopping/Entertainment city (a speciality shopping district which would be the place to go for any visitor with all thing avaialble under the sun)

10. An Auto city (for all types automobile manufacturing, design, testing etc. It should have a moto-gp, f1, f3 or f5 whatever racetrack, a huge auto-expo facility etc.)

11. An SME city (to house/provide facilities for small and medium enterpises with storage/logistical facilities, common infrastructure etc. and this is the place for manufacturing/processing anything an SME can do including garments, diamonds, electronics, speciality chemicals, fabrication units.....and so on)

12. A hitech manufacturing city (semicondcutor, nano, optics, defence, etc..)

This list can be expanded and improved further. What do you think?

May 28th, 2006, 02:37 PM

And ofcourse all the townships except for the one next to the Cap city should have skyscrapers...min 12 floors.

pding

May 28th, 2006, 04:49 PM

IT city, entertainment city, and others like that should be constructed as per the demand. ofcourse there's demand for IT parks and at least 4 more IT parks by various companies such as Rahejas, DLF, Induja, etc are in the pipeline and will come up in the next 1-2 years.

Babji

May 28th, 2006, 11:09 PM

http://www.deccan.com/home/homedetails.asp#Russia,TaiwanfirmsbagORR

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ORR Phase I: Gacchibowli to Shamshabad 22km is divided into 2 packages
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ORR Phase I package 1: Transstroy Rs 219 crore 11-km Gachibowli - APPA.

ORR Phase I package 2: Taiwan’s CEC Rs 295 crore APPA - Shamshabad.
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To be decided by Sptember 2006:
ORR Phase II pack 1: 23-km Narsingi-Kollur section
ORR Phase II pack 2: ------ Kollur-Pattancheru section
ORR Phase II pack 3: 12-km Shamshabad to Srisailam highway.

Modus operandi:
These constructors will be paid on annuity basis.
“The companies will raise funds on their own and the government repay with annual instalments,”

so the GoAP/HUDA could worry less about raising funds and concentrate on other projects.
and these companies could run their business in India on a long term basis, building more roads
and HUDA could manage and collect tolls and pay annuities to builders
and this whole formula could be followed for the rest of the ORR phases
Wow, what a plan!.

Great Job HUDA. Great job team YSR.
KUDOS to YSR to allow HUDA do their job well.
A very innovative way of doing things.

Babji

May 29th, 2006, 07:05 PM

Russian, Taiwanese firms bag Hyd ORR project
Our Regional Bureau / Hyderabad May 29, 2006 (Business Standard)

Corporation Transstroy of Russia and Continental Engineering Corporation of Taiwan have bagged the 24-km first phase Outer Ring Road (ORR) project in Hyderabad...

The Russian company was the lowest bidder for the first package quoting Rs 219 crore - less than 19% of the estimated cost, the Taiwanese company bagged the second package by quoting Rs 251 crore, which is 7.8% lower than the benchmark cost, according to state government officials...

The construction of the 24-km stretch of ORR is scheduled to be completed by December 2007.

magestom

May 29th, 2006, 10:42 PM

Russian, Taiwanese--Now this is good!

Babji

May 29th, 2006, 10:50 PM

Russian, Taiwanese--Now this is good!
yes. hopefully, things may even get better.
both these firms have the necessary expertise and good track record.
also, they are both from the worlds most hard working nations.
they would certainly deliver a bang for the buck.
and they live next door to India (almost).

Babji

May 29th, 2006, 10:53 PM

I only hope, they would make adequate arrangements for cement.
They would certainly use state of the art equipment to speed up the works.

may be GoI should allow them to import cement duty free for this purpose.
would any one know, if there is any such provision?

Luckystreak

May 29th, 2006, 11:13 PM

Babji

May 29th, 2006, 11:22 PM

What/where is APPA?.

Good that they are starting the work from the new airport, that should give a good first impression of the city for the new comers.

Andhra Pradesh Police Academy.
about halfway (11 kim) between Gachibowli and Shamshabad.

the plan is also to provide easy/faster access to HIAL by APR 2008.

Babji

May 30th, 2006, 02:21 AM

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/05/30/stories/2006053020970400.htm
Work to commence in first week of June

HYDERABAD : The high-level committee headed by Chief Secretary, which met here on Monday, formally awarded the contract to Russian and Taiwan companies for executing the 24-km first phase of Outer Ring Road from Gachibowli to Shamshabad.

Work in June

The work will commence in the first week of June after submission of bank guarantee by the companies.

Nelaturi

May 30th, 2006, 09:20 AM

URL:

HYDERABAD : The high-level committee headed by Chief Secretary, which met here on Monday, formally awarded the contract to Russian and Taiwan companies for executing the 24-km first phase of Outer Ring Road from Gachibowli to Shamshabad.

.

From what I have seen of the renderings, this looks like it will be an international standard road, unlike the ORR and IRR that we have in Bangalore.

There are many faults in them, but to mention just one, which is possibly the most important considering high speed travel in multi-lanes, is the road alignment on curvatures. To maintain good speeds without slipping out of lane on curves, the road needs to be banked to counter the centrifugal force that pulls the vehicle away. This is mandatory and is a given on all such highways abroad. Almost all roads in Bangalore do not have this, despite which claims are made about international standards being met!!!

This is just the glaring error. One can add more like:

No shoulders near the median and edges;
Uneven and wavy road surface because minor land contours had not been levelled before laying the road, leading to uncomfortable ride;
Speed humps - one of the biggest menaces to vehicles;
Unequal lane widths and sometimes a lane just disappears;
No merge and de-merge lanes for entering and exiting traffic;
Allowing U-turns in the medians, without proper slip lanes on both sides;
No Lay bye parking spaces for trucks etc., at least every few kms;
No Bus bays to take the stopping vehicles off the road......

To meet real international stds, I hope this ORR in Hyderabad takes care of such needs.

ramkan

May 30th, 2006, 05:45 PM

Official website updated with the contract details.

http://www.hyderabadringroad.com/html/project_work.htm

Luckystreak

May 30th, 2006, 06:05 PM

We can expect 4 interchanges in the shorter phase 1 itself:
Gachibouli, Namakrama-guda ORR link road Junction, APPA, and Shamshabad.

Luckystreak

May 30th, 2006, 06:20 PM

Check out the ORR alignment

ORR Alignment Map (http://www.hyderabadringroad.com/images/inner/ORR-Map.wmf)

Luckystreak

May 30th, 2006, 06:29 PM

To curb haphazard occupation along the ORR the following rules have been framed (to be approved by the government):

source: Hyderabad Urban Development Authority

As the development of the access controlled Outer Ring Road is likely to trigger large scale development along the Outer Ring Road Corridor the Government had directed Hyderabad Urban Development Authority to undertake preparation of Comprehensive Development Plan with hierarchal road network and frame Special Development Regulation for the areas falling under 1 K.M., belt on either side of Outer Ring Road so as to promote planned development and curb haphazard and Ribbon Development, along the Outer Ring Road.

- Properties shall not open on the service road directly.

- No structure, projections, hoardings allowed within this building line

- Development between 10th mtr to 15th mtr from the outer edge of the ORR ROW allowed only through SDRs

- Minimum independent plot size 1200 sq. mtrs (smaller plots allowed in approved layouts)

- Minimum Layout area 15 acres for layout/plotted development

- Regulated Height Zones (buildings 18 mtrs and above to be allowed only through SDRs)

Babji

June 5th, 2006, 12:12 AM

http://www.deccan.com/City/CityNews.asp
ORR project to take off on June 6

Hyderabad, June 4: The much-delayed Outer Ring Road Phase-I project is scheduled to commence on June 6. Firms from Russia and Taiwan, which have successfully bid for the project, are scheduled to complete the nearly 28-km road by December 2007. Works will be started in the presence of municipal administration and urban development minister Koneru Ranga Rao, mines minister Sabita Indra Reddy and HUDA officials.

...ORR project director Peeyush Kumar said works relating to Phase-II would start September. “We are likely to divide Phase-II in three packages,” he said.

Babji

June 5th, 2006, 12:57 AM

From what I have seen of the renderings, this looks like it will be an international standard road, unlike the ORR and IRR that we have in Bangalore.

There are many faults in them, but to mention just one, which is possibly the most important considering high speed travel in multi-lanes, is the road alignment on curvatures. To maintain good speeds without slipping out of lane on curves, the road needs to be banked to counter the centrifugal force that pulls the vehicle away. This is mandatory and is a given on all such highways abroad. Almost all roads in Bangalore do not have this, despite which claims are made about international standards being met!!!

This is just the glaring error. One can add more like:

No shoulders near the median and edges;
Uneven and wavy road surface because minor land contours had not been levelled before laying the road, leading to uncomfortable ride;
Speed humps - one of the biggest menaces to vehicles;
Unequal lane widths and sometimes a lane just disappears;
No merge and de-merge lanes for entering and exiting traffic;
Allowing U-turns in the medians, without proper slip lanes on both sides;
No Lay bye parking spaces for trucks etc., at least every few kms;
No Bus bays to take the stopping vehicles off the road......

To meet real international stds, I hope this ORR in Hyderabad takes care of such needs.

HUDA insisted on prior experience in building such highways, before awarding these contracts.
they are also splitting the job into small packages so they could meet the dead lines without sacrificing quality.
hopefully, all the above issues would be taken care of.

ramkan

June 6th, 2006, 08:22 PM

One more ceremony...

FOUNDATION CEREMONY FOR ORR

Hyderabad : Foundation laying ceremony for the Outer ring road has been arranged at Narsingi at Gandipet road in city outskirts on Tuesday.

State minister for Mines and Information Technology laid the foundation stone for the construction of the outer ring road. Under the first phase, a eleven kilometers long outer ring road will be constructed from Shamshabad International Airport to Gachibowli.

Babji

June 7th, 2006, 03:26 AM

from Jun 6, 2006 ...
http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/07/stories/2006060722870300.htm
http://i6.tinypic.com/11vthyo.jpg
ROAD TO PROGRESS!: Ambassador of Russian Federation in India Trubnikov Viacheslav Ivanovich, Municipal Administration Minister Koneru Ranga Rao, Mines and Geology Minister P. Sabitha Indra Reddy and HUDA Chairman D. Sudheer Reddy at the launch of ORR works at Narsingi near Hyderabad on Tuesday. - Photo: Satish H.

HYDERABAD: Work on the first phase of long the Outer Ring Road (ORR) project... began here on Tuesday.

Of the 162-km ORR, the first phase of 24-km... is split into two packages.

Package-I of 11-km eight-lane road from Gachibowli to the Andhra Pradesh Police Academy (APPA) will be executed by the Moscow-based Russian Company Corporation Transstroy at an estimated cost of Rs. 219.74 crores.

The second one will be executed by a Taiwanese firm Continental Engineering Corporation covering 13.3 km from the APPA to Tondupally beyond Shamshabad at an estimated cost of Rs. 295 crores.

The first phase is expected to be completed in 30 months time of which
the four-lane connectivity is to be achieved within 12 months and
eight-lane connectivity in 18 months.

Naga_Solidus

June 7th, 2006, 06:12 AM

YAY!!!! Finally, it happened!

ramkan

June 7th, 2006, 07:15 AM

Reward for early completion
The Outer Ring Road (ORR) phase-I might be completed before its schedule— 30 months. The government has assured bonus to companies that finish their works before the deadline.

Taiwan-based Continental Engineering Corporation’s country manager Yudhishtir on Tuesday said the agreement between the firms and the government was that the companies would be penalised if they overshoot the deadline.

“And similarly, we have promised a handsome bonus package if the works are completed ahead of the schedule,’’ he added.

The companies would ship in construction equipment on a large scale. Survey and path clearance would be completed in 15 days and the escalation works will begin in the next fortnight, Yudhishtir added.

The companies would availing services of local manpower, including engineers. However, a few officials from Russia and Taiwan will camp in the city to look into administrative affairs of their respective companies.

The Outer Ring Road phase-I works (24.38 km) were inaugurated by ministers Sabitha Indra Reddy and Koneru Ranga Rao. It will connect Gachibowli and Shamshabad international airport in the next 30 months.

The works of the 11-km long stretch between Gachibowli and Andhra Pradesh Police Academy have been handed over to the Russia based Corporation Transstroy and works of the stretch between AP Police Academy and Tondupally of Shamsabad mandal covering a distance of 13.38 km are being taken up by the Taiwan-based Continental Engineering Corporation.

ramkan

June 7th, 2006, 07:16 AM

Kudos to the GoAP for pushing this prestigous project thru the hurdles..

Ajaypp

June 7th, 2006, 08:12 AM

the agreement between the firms and the government was that the companies would be penalised if they overshoot the deadline.

“And similarly, we have promised a handsome bonus package if the works are completed ahead of the schedule,’’ he added.

The companies would ship in construction equipment on a large scale. Survey and path clearance would be completed in 15 days and the escalation works will begin in the next fortnight, Yudhishtir added.

.....way to go!!! This is practiced in heavy civil engineering projects worldwide. Good to see our Govt.s adopting global best practices. :)

vazim

June 7th, 2006, 10:32 AM

Luckystreak

June 7th, 2006, 11:11 AM

Just curious, will it be first 8 lane highway of international standards in India ?

Firstly, it is not a highway. It is only a ring road, which runs along the outskirts, aimed at decongesting the traffic within the city.

Secondly, there are 8-lane expressways already under construction between NCR (around Delhi), Gurgaon and Jaipur and also one from Mumbai. Donno the current status.
But, 6 lane expressways and 4 lane highways are more common though.

pding

June 7th, 2006, 08:46 PM

there are quite a few 8-lane expressways in the NCR region.

also, it's a nice way to give incentives if work if finished earlier. the authorities have maintained the speed uptill now. now that the contracts have been given, i think the project will run smoothly as planned.

great job YSR, GoAP, and all the authorities!!!

magestom

June 7th, 2006, 11:24 PM

Firstly, it is not a highway. It is only a ring road, which runs along the outskirts, aimed at decongesting the traffic within the city.

Secondly, there are 8-lane expressways already under construction between NCR (around Delhi), Gurgaon and Jaipur and also one from Mumbai. Donno the current status.
But, 6 lane expressways and 4 lane highways are more common though.

I would call it an intercity expressway or ring expressway since it is access controlled. It is expressway.
oh and highways don't have to be access controlled.

Babji

June 8th, 2006, 02:38 AM

ORR phase II to begin on Oct 2
[ Thursday, June 08, 2006 01:59:05 amTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

HYDERABAD: Works for phase -- II of Outer Ring Road (ORR) will start on October 2, the birth anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi. The first stretch will cover 37 km.

The Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (Huda) on Wednesday decided not to constitute any fund for the 37--km work work. The urban body instead decided to go for the annuity model for building the 37 km road
13 km stretch from Shamshabad to Tukkuguda and
24 km from Narsingi to Patancheru.

The Huda borrowed money for phase -- I works at an interest rate of 9.5 per annum and handed over the works to two foreign companies. But under the annuity model for phase --II, the companies themselves will have to invest the money and take up the works by their own.

The Huda will pay the companies in the form of regular annual instalments, Huda vice chairman Jayesh Ranjan said at a press conference after a board meeting. The Huda has also decided to change its policy on acquisition of land. Instead of paying compensation to the landowner, the Huda will make sure that the landowner also gets benefits under the project.

The mode of benefits will be decided soon with the help of Satish Magar, an expert on land settlements, whose formula was successfully implemented by the Pune administration.
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this will make things easier for HUDA to aquire land complete the project in time.

Hindustani

June 8th, 2006, 03:25 AM

I'm glad ORR work has officially started with deadline of 30 months. Hyderabad may be the only city after Delhi to start major mega projects on time without years of delays.

Other cities should sit up and take notice if they want to compete.

Babji

June 9th, 2006, 01:51 AM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1632466.cms
ORR gates may take their toll on people
[ Friday, June 09, 2006 02:20:38 amTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

HYDERABAD: Every time you travel on the proposed Outer Ring Road (ORR), you may have to shell out a fee for using the roadway. Toll gates will be in place on nearly 45 per cent of the 162 km ORR stretch.

The works relating to the latest proposal of ORR phase-III would be handed over to successful bidders, who will have to set up toll gates on a stretch of ORR whose length would be decided...
...the authorities are proposing that the toll gates be set up on at least 70-km stretch.

... there would be no toll gates on the ORR stretch to be completed in phase-I, connecting Gachibowli and Shamshabad. Huda will be constructing the phase-I with its own money.

Of the 162-km ORR, 24 km will be covered during phase-I. Consultants have reportedly suggested to Huda to divide the 132-km length of phase-II into two portions, splitting the ORR works into three phases...

Further, the officials suggested that the works of at least half portion of 132 km be handed over to private companies on the BoT model. The private agencies will take up the works, collect toll and later transfer the road to Huda after the completion of the BoT period.

"It depends on the private agencies keen on BoT model. As of now, we are proposing that a stretch of about 70 km should be given on BoT model so that the private agencies will bear all the expanses and then collect toll from road users," sources said.

pding

June 9th, 2006, 02:38 AM

i hope there is no hue and cry about this. if we want better infrastructure then the money has to come from somewhere. gov't doesn't have the money to build it. so it'll borrow loans and ppl will pay it back through taxes. so, instead of taxes, we pay it in the form of toll. nothing wrong with it. it's all economics...........

ramkan

June 10th, 2006, 10:19 PM

Enjoy this detailed simulation

http://www.hyderabadringroad.com/Orr_video-files/orr_video.htm
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4348/orr4kb.jpg

grimmm

June 11th, 2006, 05:04 AM

Thanks for the image man. Road width of 125m(400 feet) will surely be a sight
to see in reality.
Enjoy this detailed simulation

http://www.hyderabadringroad.com/Orr_video-files/orr_video.htm
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4348/orr4kb.jpg

IndiansUnite

June 11th, 2006, 06:23 AM

@Ramkkan- I checked the simulation last night and was pretty impressed about the detailed description of the ORR plan.The work has started on time,lets hope it ends on time. :nocrook:

Cheers

Luckystreak

June 11th, 2006, 06:47 AM

wonderful...thanks for the update. The graphics look great.

Hindustani

June 11th, 2006, 01:20 PM

ramkan......................Great find. 400 feet width. 100 miles length. I'm impressed. This ORR once ready will be a sight to behold. Its will be like no other in Subcontinent for long long time. I just hope they finish it on time. :cheers:

Enjoy this detailed simulation

http://www.hyderabadringroad.com/Orr_video-files/orr_video.htm
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4348/orr4kb.jpg

pding

June 11th, 2006, 04:39 PM

i think the websites' under maintenance. it's not working.

ramkan

June 12th, 2006, 12:49 AM

Its working for me. Can you try it now?

Babji

June 12th, 2006, 01:38 AM

ORR Phase I: 22km 8 lane Exp Hwy Salient Features

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Distance from : Feature
Gachibowli Jn :
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00.0 km: Starts from Gachibowli junction on old Bby hwy (6 lane)
02.2 km: Nankram guda/ Kajaguda road – underpass + access roads
03.0 km: joins Ph II ORR from Patancheru – T-jn Interchange
-------- 8 lanes (125 meter wide) from this point.
04.4 km: Kokapet road – underpass + access roads
06.0 km: Gandipet/Sankarpally road – underpass
-------- Passes thru Manchirevula village
-------- Passes thru Chilkur Resv. forest - underpasses n sound barriers for animals
-------- Passes thru AP Police Academy
10.2 Km: Hyd-Mirjapur Hey – Underpass + access roads
11.7 km: Himayatsagar Hwy – underpass
13.0 Km: passes along Himayatsagar dam
13.2 km: crosses Musi River
13.7 Km: Rajendranagar Road - underpass
-------- Passes thru hillocks
15.3 Km: underpass
19.2 Km: Kothwalguda road – 2lane overpass
20.5 Km: Shamshabad – ramguda - 2lane overpass
21.9 Km: Full Cloverleaf Interchange at NH7.
-------- Free flow of traffic in any direction w/o traffic lights.
-------- 2 dedicated lanes to HIAL by R&B and Intl. Airports Dev Auth.
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harsh1802

June 12th, 2006, 03:08 AM

Babji

June 12th, 2006, 05:42 AM

Grt info there babji.....a very exciting project indeed. :)

But one thing tht i'm not so sure abt is the ORR passing thru. teh Chilkur Forest Resv.!

How mch distance is tht exactly? It wld be really gud if they explore other options over there....we need to leave aside forest resv........passing a highway through it...isn't tht gud way to go abt....

looks like almost about 0.8 to 1.0 km length of ORR is cutting across the resv. forest.
perhaps they could n't avoid this due to the fact that there are two huge lakes Himayatsagar and Osman sagar on either side of the resv. forest, falling on the outer side of ORR.
so, they wanted to push the ORR as colse as possible to the lake areas.
so, they are building noise barriers, working in coordination with the animals rights groups.

kronik

June 12th, 2006, 06:22 AM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1632466.cms
ORR gates may take their toll on people
[ Friday, June 09, 2006 02:20:38 amTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

On a sidenote, I hate when Indian media tries to act smarter than it actually is. I am trying to figure out why does the Tabloid have to put such a negetive tone on this headline. Oh wait, its negetive sensationalism, something ToI thrives on.

Why can't they just stick to a professional newspaper headline, like "45 percent of ORR to be tolled" or something.

The people are getting a world class service, and I suppose it would break their backs to pay for it. :gaah:

And an excellent rendering of the ORR. can't wait to see actual pictures of it soon.

pding

June 13th, 2006, 01:43 AM

the Patancheru interchange is awesome. in fact, i posted some pics in the Best roads thread in Chaibar. it seems like one of those, though those are way more extensive. will be the first of it's kind in india, not sure one such interchange is being built even in Delhi.

i like the cloverleaf of NH-7.

so i'm looking forward to real pics of Patancheru interchange and NH-7 CL junction.

pding

June 13th, 2006, 01:44 AM

how do you copy the a pic when the video is paused. i mean how can you copy something. b/c in flash player, when i right-click there is no copy option and i couldn't find any other way to do it.

ramkan

June 13th, 2006, 01:54 AM

I did a print screen and quick save as JPEG using mspaint :-)

MSPaint is low quality compared to Adobe Photoshop, but does the work.

Babji

June 13th, 2006, 02:08 AM

typical T-junction and a Clover leaf stacked Interchange:

http://i5.tinypic.com/1492z55.jpg http://i6.tinypic.com/14930ud.jpg

p.raghavendra6

June 13th, 2006, 09:56 AM

can anybody tell me what is chaibar. plz post the link.

1337_InDiAn

June 13th, 2006, 10:04 AM

they better not cancel this like they always do with other projects. anyway india is going places :) . lets see how much it improves when i visit again in the nxt 4 years

Luckystreak

June 13th, 2006, 10:14 AM

can anybody tell me what is chaibar. plz post the link.

Chaibar - for miscellaneous discussions
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=491

Have you not seen the main Indian subforums
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=450

Luckystreak

June 13th, 2006, 10:18 AM

Actually, there are 3 interchanges in the 22 KM phase 1.

The first one at Patancheruvu, the second one over NH7 and the third one at Shamshabad. The only difference is the third one is being built by the developers of the airport and state govt.(and not the ORR developers) but nevertheless, it is connected with the ORR.

pding

June 13th, 2006, 09:06 PM

they better not cancel this like they always do with other projects. anyway india is going places :) . lets see how much it improves when i visit again in the nxt 4 years

don't worry man. contract have been awarded for the first phase. and for the next phases, work will beging by next year. i think this project will go as proposed.

ramkan

June 29th, 2006, 12:48 AM

Forest land for ORR

Hyderabad, June 28: The State forest department has conditionally agreed to give 17.22 hectares of Chilkur reserved forest land for the construction of the Outer Ring Road (ORR). According to informed sources, the forest department want the Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (Huda), the agency that has been entrusted with the task of executing the ORR project, to construct a wall along the proposed road which will be 1.4 kilo metre in length and 125 metre wide.

The wall should be fitted with sound mitigating equipment at various points so as to save the animals from sound pollution effects. The department also wants Huda to construct two corridors for the animals to pass through from portion of the forest to the other. The State government had earlier agreed to provide the department with equal measure of land in Medak district. A department official has visited the site identified by the government and is said to have cleared it.

Once the two parties agree to the terms and conditions, the matter will be sent to the Central government for approval. The Chilkur reserve forest is spread over 1,193 acres. The reserve forest is divided into two parts one of which has the Mrugavani National Park covering 700 acres. The remaining 493 acres is the shrub forest.

The reserve forest is bifurcated by 1.6 km Manchirevala road that links Hyderabad-Vikarabad road with Narsingi. The area covered by Manchirevala road is about 5 acre as it is only 40 feet wide. When the ORR comes up, the Manchirevala road will be closed down.

Babji

June 29th, 2006, 02:05 AM

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/06/29/stories/2006062919010300.htm

Ground work for ORR project Phase I begins
24-km access-controlled speedway to be completed in 30 months
Machinery to be deployed soon
`Right of Way' handed over to contractors

HYDERABAD: Some three weeks after ground breaking ceremony for the Phase I of the Outer Ring Road (ORR) project, ground clearing work at the site is on to facilitate mobilisation of machinery.

After completing the initial work involving surveying, taking and recording ground measurements along with project management consultants for dismantling existing structures, the Right of Way has been handed over to contractors for ground clearing and excavation work.

Of the 162-km ORR project, the first phase of 24-km access-controlled speedway from Gachibowli to Shamshabad was split into two packages - Package I of 11 km eight-lane road from Gachibowli to Andhra Pradesh Police Academy (APPA) would be executed by the Moscow-based Russian Company Corporation, Transstroy, at an estimated cost of Rs. 219.74 crores and the second package by a Taiwanese firm Continental Engineering Corporation covering 13.3 km from APPA to Tondupally beyond Shamshabad at an estimated cost of Rs. 295 crores.

As per the `Item Rate Contract' agreed to, the contractors would give their work schedule to HUDA to put their work under scanner for monitoring the progress and releasing the bills accordingly.

The overseas contractor companies are also in the process of deploying their personnel and setting up their local offices. The Phase I of the project is to be completed in 30 months time, of which the four-lane connectivity is to be achieved within 12 months and eight-lane connectivity in 18 months.

HUDA Vice-Chairman Jayesh Ranjan and ORR Project Director Piyush Kumar said they were confident that the Russian and Taiwanse companies would stick to their schedule and HUDA was satisfied with their level of preparedness.

The bid document allows for the main company to give 33 per cent of work on sub-lease but it cannot sub-lease work to a company that does not meet the criteria stipulated by HUDA. The bid document has taken all necessary precautions to ensure that the quality of project is maintained at every stage. The terms of agreement include bonus payment for completing work ahead of schedule and penalty for otherwise.

The companies also deposited 15 per cent of project cost as bank guarantee and the money would be locked up with HUDA.
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"Right of way" is an important project-mile-stone in order to start real works!
good going HUDA. Keep up the good works!!.

Babji

June 29th, 2006, 02:34 AM

can anybody tell me what is chaibar. plz post the link.
http://skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=491

Hindustani

June 29th, 2006, 03:17 AM

Good. That ORR, Phase I needed to begin ASAP. I'm just glad AP Gov't & HUDA is so proactive these days with moving Hyd forward. :)

ramkan

July 6th, 2006, 01:29 AM

Could this be a political move? Ramoji Rao is friend to Mr. Naidu and while in power had the alignment changed for easy access to film city from outer ring road.

Now that the congress is in power, is it pay back time?

HYDERABAD: Bowing to pressure from the farmers of Peddamberpet to change the alignment of phase-II of the Outer Ring Road (ORR), the authorities are planning to deviate from the original alignment once again.

The latest move might cost 40 acres of land to Ramoji Film City (RFC) apart from the Film City losing the main entrance gate as well as the Rama Devi Public School of the Ramoji family.

The existing alignment goes via Brahmanapally to Koheda and then Koheda to Peddamberpet. The length of this stretch is 16 km. The proposed alignment is Brahmanapally-Ramdaspally-Abdullahpurmet-Rama Devi Public School-Bacharam.

The length of the proposed alignment is 18 km. There will be an increase in the length because of the curves that the proposed alignment will have to face.

The proposed alignment will cut into the Rama Devi Public School situated near RFC and also eat up more land of the RFC.

The ORR junction was supposed to come at Peddamberpet but since the proposed alignment is totally deviating from Peddamberpet the junction will also change.

As per the technical study, the junction on the proposed alignment will come at the main gate of the RFC covering 80 acres to 100 acres around it.

Though the junction on the proposed alignment covers a part of the RFC land the main gate might be affected. The officials have estimated that the RFC might have to lose around 40 acres of land. Farmers of Peddamberpet in Hayatnagar mandal are not ready to give up the fight against the acquisition of their agricultural land for the ORR Project.

About 40 farmer families have intensified the agitation against the acquisition of their land and are not allowing the officials to conduct survey work in their village.

The farmers who launched a hunger strike a few months ago are now threatening self-immolation in case their land is acquired.

The proposed alignment is said to be prepared by the villagers and the same was communicated to the authorities. The authorities are convinced that the loss of land will be lesser if the proposed alignment is taken up.

But when it comes to the junction on the proposed alignment instead of agricultural land residential plots owned by individuals might be affected.

"Several residential plots have been developed along the proposed alignment and also at the proposed new junction. But the farmers of Peddamberpet contend that the loss to individual's would be much lesser. They say forcing a family to give up acres of land is not correct," an official said.

The farmers of Peddamberpet have gone to the extent of engaging women to prevent officials from stepping in their village. The officials of ORR have made several unsuccessful attempts to conduct surveys for the last two months.

The farmers of Peddamberpet have got strong support from BJP Rangareddy district unit, CPI and TRS leaders. Land value in the villages have gone up by several folds and the farmers are not ready to compromise on giving their land for the ORR.

harsh1802

July 6th, 2006, 01:54 AM

^^ Well somebody has to pay the price.....tht better be the rich than the poor.

Hope the government workd out a fair deal to let the project roll....:)

pding

July 6th, 2006, 05:03 AM

this is interesting. but you have to remember that RFC is one of the jewels of hyderabad. but i really don't care for it is about the developmet of the city.

Babji

July 6th, 2006, 05:31 AM

This is not a really good sign, as far as the project progress is concerned. Things are beginning to get dirty.
Ramoji is not an ordinary person to mess with. He is one of the most successful businessman and a very influential personality in Hyd. He has nearly 20% of Hyd real estate and a bunch of popular news papers/broad cast channels and a lot of film industry heavy weights under his control. It could mean a lot of political weightage.

so, what could be the impact...

on positive side, Ramoji could play fair game, accept alternative land, and shift his interests to the new location.
on the worst case scenario, he could play tit-for-tat, create trouble and ruin the Congress party's chances in the next assembly elections...

Lets hope for the best.

ramkan

July 6th, 2006, 07:58 AM

I have seen the school "Rama Devi Public School" and it is a huge campus built less than five years ago, in memory of his wife. The school is very much visible from HYD-VIJAYAWADA highway. Thousands of school children attend the school. As per the new alignment, the school campus has to make way for the road.

Lets hope this does not turn into a controversy.

harsh1802

July 6th, 2006, 08:40 AM

pding

July 6th, 2006, 10:59 PM

Babji

July 7th, 2006, 01:01 AM

i don't think Ramoji can ruin YSR's reelection hopes. i mean seriously, how can he ruin the chances??? he might delay the ORR project but nothing can be done on a political front.

b/c remember, Congress can use Ramoji as a pawn, b/c they can say that any political party that is supporting Ramoji is favoring the rich over the poor. the farmlands of the poor are being taken away and if any political party including the TDP supports Ramoji, then they can suffer a massive setback. and don't forget: TDP has made friends with CPI(ML), so they will be tied too.
Yes. This is one side of the coin.

The other side of the story says, not all congress leaders are saints.
Most of the congress leaders (including YSR) also have (farm?) lands bordering ORR. and how and from where did they get them? (if not from poor farmers) and Ramoji knows exactly who owns how much.
and Ramoji owns some news papers and some broadcasting channels.
This is enough to keep any political party under check.

It would be good for the project and the people, if they (Ramoji and the congress) could find a fair deal.

kothur

July 7th, 2006, 03:31 AM

i think 40acres of land for Ramoji is not a bigdeal, What Ramogi will do is he will give away this land and get the approvals from Govt. for multipurpose junctions and malls adjoing the ORR and also he will try to approvals from Govt for another different type od Filmcity cover the ORR to benefit his existing flimcity to create a different atmosphere,

If the Govt., do agree for this proposals then he will come with TV and newspapers and try to attack Congress...!

p.raghavendra6

July 7th, 2006, 06:38 AM

pding

July 7th, 2006, 04:20 PM

if that is true, the it def sets a bad precedent for others and is not good for industrialists in general.

vadi

July 7th, 2006, 05:11 PM

guys,
how is this playing out in H'bad?

Babji

July 9th, 2006, 12:09 AM

ORR-hit farmers dare bulldozers
[ Saturday, July 08, 2006 02:35:02 amTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

HYDERABAD: ...In a glaring instance of how land alienation is inflaming passions, agitating farmers of Kokapet (located beyond Gachibowli) on Friday lay down defiantly in front of bulldozers, refusing to budge from their property when Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (Huda) and revenue department officials came to take possession of 100 acres of their land.

The land is for the Golden Mile project along the proposed phase-I of the Outer Ring Road (ORR) between Gachibowli and Narsingi. Hotels, IT companies and other corporate offices are planned to come up along the Golden Mile.

As dozens of staff equipped with bulldozers entered the village, the farmers, who anticipated the situation, gathered in large numbers and stopped the staff from demolishing small structures.

The irate farmers lay down in front of the bulldozers and asked the staff to run the machines over them and only then take possession of the land. But soon thereafter, the farmers dropped their Gandhian tactics and threatened to resort to violence and attack the officials.

Sensing their mood, the officials quickly left the spot, leaving behind the equipment. The farmers —mostly from the weaker sections — were assigned about 100 acres of land about 25 years ago in Kokapet village. However, the catch was they were not given pattas for the land. The land has been under their occupation since the allotment.

With the land value in the area shooting up, Huda now wants to make use of the precious land to fetch Rs 4.5 crore to Rs 6 crore per acre.

The auction for these lands is scheduled to be held on July 20 where several multinational companies and star hotels are expected to bid for plots measuring in acres.
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GoAP should be more practical in their approach and involve the community leaders in a more active manner.
People, on their part, should realize the greater cause, apart from their own.

Babji

July 9th, 2006, 12:16 AM

guys,
how is this playing out in H'bad?
Vadi,
Its a li'l bit rough out there.
Lets wait and see till the dust settle down.
In the meanwhile, work is in progress on the Phase I, the first leg of ORR.
Right of way has been awarded to the winning bidders and works are in progress! :)

Babji

July 9th, 2006, 12:29 AM

ORR phase II to begin on Oct 2
[ Thursday, June 08, 2006 01:59:05 amTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

HYDERABAD: Works for phase -- II of Outer Ring Road (ORR) will start on October 2, the birth anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi. The first stretch will cover 37 km.

The Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (Huda) on Wednesday decided not to constitute any fund for the 37--km work work. The urban body instead decided to go for the annuity model for building the 37 km road -- 13--km stretch from Shamshabad to Tukkuguda and 24 km from Narsingi to Patancheru.

The Huda borrowed money for phase -- I works at an interest rate of 9.5 per annum and handed over the works to two foreign companies. But under the annuity model for phase --II, the companies themselves will have to invest the money and take up the works by their own.

The Huda will pay the companies in the form of regular annual instalments, Huda vice chairman Jayesh Ranjan said at a press conference after a board meeting. The Huda has also decided to change its policy on acquisition of land. Instead of paying compensation to the landowner, the Huda will make sure that the landowner also gets benefits under the project.

Babji

July 9th, 2006, 03:08 AM

I heard a news sometime ago that the Ramoji Film city and Sanghi industries have not paid a single paisa as tax to local village panchayat. i.e Anajpur gram panchayat.

It's a shame on their part that despite having a lot of money they did not pay taxes.

:weirdo:

People/ businesses located in Panchayat areas pay taxes for using the facilities (roads, schools, street lights, drinking water etc) provided by the Panchayat.

On the other hand, when major industries come up near Panchat neighbourhood, such industries (1) develop roads (2) provide drinking water (3) generate employment (4) build schools/colleges etc (5) Pay taxes to the state (Sales taxes, excise taxes, income taxes etc). (6) promote overall development of the neighbourhood. (7) generate indirect employment (small businesses, vegetable vendors, milk vendors, suppliers etc).

It is an unfair alligation to blame major industries on issues like Panchayat taxes.
If it is really such a genuine issue, such Panchayats should approach the appropriate authorities to collect taxes.
Most of the times, such Panchayat officials are the most benefited from such industries.
so, complaints of not paying Panchayat taxes may be politically motivated!

p.raghavendra6

July 11th, 2006, 05:29 AM

:bash:

p.raghavendra6

July 11th, 2006, 05:34 AM

People/ businesses located in Panchayat areas pay taxes for using the facilities (roads, schools, street lights, drinking water etc) provided by the Panchayat.

On the other hand, when major industries come up near Panchat neighbourhood, such industries (1) develop roads (2) provide drinking water (3) generate employment (4) build schools/colleges etc (5) Pay taxes to the state (Sales taxes, excise taxes, income taxes etc). (6) promote overall development of the neighbourhood. (7) generate indirect employment (small businesses, vegetable vendors, milk vendors, suppliers etc).

It is an unfair alligation to blame major industries on issues like Panchayat taxes.
If it is really such a genuine issue, such Panchayats should approach the appropriate authorities to collect taxes.
Most of the times, such Panchayat officials are the most benefited from such industries.
so, complaints of not paying Panchayat taxes may be politically motivated!

People/ businesses located in Panchayat areas pay taxes for using the facilities (roads, schools, street lights, drinking water etc) provided by the Panchayat.

How come these facilities come up without using the existing facilities?

On the other hand, when major industries come up near Panchat neighbourhood, such industries
(1) develop roads
They developed roads .but they are fully access controlled and not for everybody.

(2) provide drinking water
How much money did RFC or Sanghi gave for drinking water pipeline?

(3) generate employment
How many local workers(either skilled or unskilled) got jobs in these facilities.
RFC imports all its workers (even gate-keepers) from interior Andhra region (native place of Ramoji Rao). While Sanghi gets workers from Rajasthan and other north India regions.

(4) build schools/colleges etc
Schools and Colleges are meant only for the employees children and not for everybody. How many can afford joining in Ramadevi International school.

(5) Pay taxes to the state (Sales taxes, excise taxes, income taxes etc).
These establishments are still enjoying tax-rebates.

(6) promote overall development of the neighbourhood.
Only realtors developed.

so, complaints of not paying Panchayat taxes may be politically motivated!
Not at all politically motivated. These facts are told by the villagers themselves.

Babji

July 11th, 2006, 07:14 AM

People/ businesses located in Panchayat areas pay taxes for using the facilities (roads, schools, street lights, drinking water etc) provided by the Panchayat.

How come these facilities come up without using the existing facilities?

On the other hand, when major industries come up near Panchat neighbourhood, such industries
(1) develop roads
They developed roads .but they are fully access controlled and not for everybody.
I am not a big fan of Sanghi or RFJ in particular.
However, we will continue the discussion, just for the sake of argument.
When a private company build roads, they do so to suit their own requirements first. If the people in the neighbourhood like to use them, they can do so.

(2) provide drinking water
How much money did RFC or Sanghi gave for drinking water pipeline?
"drinking water" per say is an example.
If you take a close loook, don't you see any "public service" type activity they did?
I thought Sanghi built a big temple some where.
RFJ is becoming a major tourist attraction for Hyd. (World's largest..).
And there is so much tourist traffic. Definitely there will be some direct/ indirect benefits to the locality. It could be by the Govt, by private small businesses, individuals, development is development.

(3) generate employment
How many local workers(either skilled or unskilled) got jobs in these facilities.
RFC imports all its workers (even gate-keepers) from interior Andhra region (native place of Ramoji Rao). While Sanghi gets workers from Rajasthan and other north India regions.
Private company owners do have a right to chose their staff. At the same time, if there are eligible people available in the neighborhood, they do get a chance. Its good for the employees and the employer.

(4) build schools/colleges etc
Schools and Colleges are meant only for the employees children and not for everybody. How many can afford joining in Ramadevi International school.

Also, not all the people working at RFJ could send their kids to expensive schools. So they would do some thing for their general staff's kids. Then the villagers could definitely get a chance.

(5) Pay taxes to the state (Sales taxes, excise taxes, income taxes etc).
These establishments are still enjoying tax-rebates.
If the Govt granted them certain (tax) benefits, they did so for a purpose. When the time comes, these companies will also pay all taxes. When they do so , it would be a huge income for the Govt. (ie, for the people).

(6) promote overall development of the neighbourhood.
Only realtors developed.
Are you saying, the villagers did NOT get ANY benefit?
Who sold the lands to realtors ? At what price? Realtors also employ workers to lay roads etc.
Did the land value in the villages appreciate or not?
Did the transport facilities improve or not?

so, complaints of not paying Panchayat taxes may be politically motivated!
Not at all politically motivated. These facts are told by the villagers themselves.
Depends which section of villagers you spoke to.

The bottom line is, private businesses do not work like the Govt or a charity. They should make profits first, so they could share some of those profits with the staff and the neighbourhood. You can't expect them to do social service from day one.

Secondly, If you still think that these villagers did not get ANY benefit at all, then I would say, their local leaders (esp. the Sarpanch and Panchayat members) are either unfit or crooks. Let the villagers do some proactive.
Ask them to fire (oost/ dissolve) the Panchayat and elect some new leaders who have some brains.

How come these facilities come up without using the existing facilities?
If you are on transit, or using the village roads temporarily, you need not pay Panchat taxes.
If you build a farm house just out side the village boarder and make your own arrangements for roads, water and lighting around your house, you need not pay panchayat taxes.

If you live in the village, use village roads, use village street lights, school, library etc, YES. You must pay Panchayat taxes. If you don't pay taxes under this case scenario, then the village Panchayat could complain to the Mandal/ District officials and make you pay!

Babji

July 13th, 2006, 01:10 AM

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/13/stories/2006071322180300.htm

ORR project: developed sites for affected people likely

HYDERABAD: The Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (HUDA) is proposing provision of developed sites of 250 square yards each along with basic amenities, including roads, drainage and electricity, to families at Dargah Khaleej Khan near Himayat Sagar who will be affected by the construction of the Outer Ring Road.

The proposal was mooted during a meeting convened by HUDA Chairman D. Sudheer Reddy along with Hyderabad MP Asaduddin Owaisi and ORR Project Director Piyush Kumar here on Wednesday.

Mr. Asaduddin Owaisi and Mr. Sudheer Reddy later interacted with members of the families that would be affected, according to a HUDA release.

pding

July 13th, 2006, 02:03 AM

i agree with Babji. you can't expect private sector to function as a social sector. that is upto the gov't. private sector first earns profit and that profit is distributed among investors and reinvested into the company.

ferrari_fan

July 13th, 2006, 10:26 AM

doesn't anyone have any current construction pics??

the renders are awesome, but can someone get us some recent u/c pics?

thanks and cheers. :)

Babji

July 14th, 2006, 01:59 AM

doesn't anyone have any current construction pics??

the renders are awesome, but can someone get us some recent u/c pics?

thanks and cheers. :)

We all share our excitement and anticipation with you, Ferrari_fan.
I would guess, it would be at least a couple of months (early October?) before we could see the pics of any thing (of ORR) that would look like a road.

Before that, they would have to do a lot of spade work.
But be assured. HUDA has a way of keeping people informed.
Plus, we also have our own (in random order) Drwho, Suncity, Cncity, Kronic, Anniyan, Sridhar, Hindustani, Ramkan, Grimmm, Lucky_Streak, Naga_Solidus, Sudheeshnairs, Pding, Magestom, Willi_Wick, Kaushik, Harsh, Vadi, Raghavendra and all other lead contributors.
so, let us just wait and see, who would break the ice this time and show us some real pics of ORR. :)

Naga_Solidus

July 14th, 2006, 02:28 AM

Im hoping to get some u/c shots at Gachibowli Jn once I go abck to India in September (I'm currently in the USA).

Babji

July 20th, 2006, 01:38 AM

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/06/29/stories/2006062919010300.htm

Ground work for ORR project Phase I begins

the four-lane connectivity is to be achieved within 12 months and
eight-lane connectivity in 18 months...
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oops! old news.

Babji

July 20th, 2006, 02:28 AM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1779197.cms

"The Golden Mile" by the ORR...
[ 20 Jul, 2006 0126hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]
HYDERABAD: Huda... is expecting to rake in at least Rs 450 crore from the auction of 100 acres of land at Kokapet, a village 13 km from Jubilee Hills...

A large part of the take will fund the Huda's Outer Ring Road project, for which it needs Rs 650 crore, quickly. The rest, an undisclosed proportion, will go to the government, which gave Huda the land.

Huda needs the money for its road, the government needs it for its irrigation projects. The coins have already started to pour in. By Wednesday evening, about 80 applications for the auction had been bought, at Rs 10,000 per form.

One firm, Ambience Properties Ltd of Secunderabad, picked up as many as 12. Realtors from Mumbai, Delhi and Bangalore and some NRI investors are expected to be among the bidders.

While 80 applications have been bought, only two have been submitted—along with the earnest money deposit (EMD) of Rs 2 crore—on the eve of the auction.

"The bidders will come on Thursday morning with the EMD. No realtor parts with such a huge amount several days in advance."

It's also in the nature of the business not to leave one's telephone number behind. When Huda officials tried to call up the applicants to inform them about a change in the payment schedule, they found that the telephone numbers they had been given were all wrong.

Apparently a tactic not to look the taxman in the eye. The upset price for the auction is Rs 4.5 crore per acre. It means that Huda won't sell if the bids are less than that.

Officials are confident that the bids will easily surpass that. Their confidence comes from the previous sales of land in the vicinity for Rs 4 crore per acre. With Huda providing infrastructure, clean titles, etc. it expects bids to soar.

kaushik

July 20th, 2006, 04:00 AM

Row over HUDA's Kokapet project
source:http://www.hindu.com/2006/07/20/stories/2006072020340400.htm

Did the Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (HUDA) overstep a mile or two in hard selling prestigious Golden Mile project at Kokapet?

Environmentalists assert that the urban development regulator is promoting the project in clear violation of the Supreme Court judgment upholding Government Order 111 of March 8, 1996, banning industrial and such massive construction activity within a 10-km radius of Osmansagar and Himayatsagar.

Notwithstanding the HUDA's contention that the strategically located Kokapet does not figure in the list of 84 villages enumerated in the Government Order, they point out that the list was only indicative and not exhaustive and the guiding principle should be 10-km radius of Full Tank Level of the two reservoirs that continue to be drinking water sources for the city. As part of the project, the HUDA is putting to auction "business-class plots" spread over 100 acres at Kokapet on July 20. The HUDA has been marketing it as a futuristic destination, just 3 km away from Microsoft and ISB, "ideally suited" for star hotels, healthcare units, financial institutions, Information Technology companies, corporate offices and high-rise apartments. If concentration of such massive multi-storeyed structures in an exclusive enclave does not cause pollution what else would, ask the environmentalists.

`Business-class plots'

They are not prepared to buy the HUDA's argument that the project could not be compared to industrial activity and point to the provisions of the Environment Protection Act encompassing not merely industries but operations and processes also. As for relaxations, they quoted the landmark judgment of the Supreme Court, in the Surana Oil Mills case, that upheld the GO. "Having laid down the policy prohibiting location of industries within 10-km radius the State should not have granted exemption (from the GO) either to the respondent industry (oil mill planned to be set up by Suranas) or to any other industry".

The apex court had further observed that "the Government could not pass such exemption orders having dangerous potential unmindful of the fate of lakhs of citizens of twin cities to whom drinking water is supplied from these reservoirs". Environmentalists cited other reports prepared by the Environment Protection Training and Research Institute and the National Geophysical Research Institute on "Evaluation of permissible developmental activities in the catchment areas of the two reservoirs". The reports warned against relaxation of the GO saying it could lead to deterioration in water quality.

The EPTRI has recommended strict implementation of the restriction in the Floor Space Index to 1: 0.5 as provided in the GO to ensure that 90 per cent of the catchment area remains under agriculture as is the practice now for protecting the lakes. In fact, the restriction should be extended to the entire area within the watersheds in the respective Master Plans to prevent construction of large and high-rise complexes in the area.

Babji

July 20th, 2006, 04:19 AM

Row over HUDA's Kokapet project
source:http://www.hindu.com/2006/07/20/stories/2006072020340400.htm

...Environmentalists assert that the urban development regulator is promoting the project in clear violation of the Supreme Court judgment upholding Government Order 111 of March 8, 1996, banning industrial and such massive construction activity within a 10-km radius of Osmansagar and Himayatsagar.

They are not prepared to buy the HUDA's argument that the project could not be compared to industrial activity and point to the provisions of the Environment Protection Act encompassing not merely industries but operations and processes also. As for relaxations, they quoted the landmark judgment of the Supreme Court, in the Surana Oil Mills case, that upheld the GO. "Having laid down the policy prohibiting location of industries within 10-km radius the State should not have granted exemption (from the GO) either to the respondent industry (oil mill planned to be set up by Suranas) or to any other industry"...

The apex court had further observed that "the Government could not pass such exemption orders having dangerous potential unmindful of the fate of lakhs of citizens of twin cities to whom drinking water is supplied from these reservoirs".

In the case of Surana Oil mill, there were industrial affluents involved.

Should they have objection for upscale residential, business/office, IT/ITES type developments?

Babji

July 23rd, 2006, 08:17 PM

Babji

July 24th, 2006, 05:03 AM

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FL23Df02.html

City Yield rates. Commercial (Offices). Residential

Bangalore ......... 11.0-12.0% ...........6.0-7.0%
Chennai ............11.0-12.0% ...........3.5-5.0%
Delhi ................ 7.5-9.5% ............ 5.0-6.0%
Hyderabad.........11.0-12.0%............ 6.0-7.0%
Kolkata ............ 8.0-12.0% ............ 5.5-7.0%
Mumbai ............ 10.0-12.0% ...........5.0-7.0%

Hyd is one of best in the country in terms of Real estate Yield Rates.

Babji

July 25th, 2006, 02:11 AM

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/25/stories/2006072520550300.htm

HUDA to construct 4,000 LIG, MIG houses

HYDERABAD: HUDA would construct 4,000 housing units for Low Income and Middle Income Groups, said its Chairman D. Sudheer Reddy.

The housing units would come up in identified lands at four corners of HUDA area.

Allotment of these houses would be through draw of lots by Chief Minister Y.S.Rajasekhara Reddy on October 2 to mark the 30th anniversary of HUDA, Mr.Sudheer Reddy said. Of 4,000 houses to be constructed, 1,000 houses would be for LIG group, it is said.

GO stipulations: The HUDA Chairman clarified that GO No.111 stipulated measures for protection of catchment areas of Himayatsagar and Osmansagar lakes.

The GO prohibited polluting industries and major hotels, residential colonies in the catchment of the lakes up to 10 km from full tank level.

"Annexure-I of the GO listed 84 villages falling within 10 km and within catchment areas of Osmansagar and Himayatsagar lakes.

However Kokapet, located downstream, where auction was held is not listed among 84 villages as it is outside catchment area and is not covered by the GO," he said.
this means the big money auctions held in Kokapet are safe.

Babji

July 25th, 2006, 02:27 AM

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/07/25/stories/2006072519720500.htm

Auction-happy HUDA flush with funds

Raises Rs. 1,461 cr. this year via auctions
Funds for ORR, other projects
Shamshabad layout to be auctioned before year-end

HYDERABAD: There was a time when Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (HUDA) was exploring various means to raise resources for its ambitious Outer Ring Road and other projects. But with a sudden and steep spurt in the value of lands under its jurisdiction, it seems to have overcome financial constraints.

HUDA through a series of auctions this year, including last week's auction of Golden Mile layout in Kokapet village, has raised Rs.1,461 crores so far. Of it the Government's share is Rs.736 crores -- Rs. 400 crores from Kokapet land auction and Rs. 336 crores from a five-acre land in Jubilee Hills which HUDA auctioned on behalf of Government. HUDA would utilise the remaining Rs.725 crores for ORR and other projects.

While Golden Mile layout yielded Rs.703 crores, the auction of 51 plots in its layouts last week fetched HUDA Rs.72 crores. HUDA Vice-Chairman Jayesh Ranjan said that the Government had not stated that the entire proceeds of Kokapet land be remitted to it.

HUDA earmarked Rs.350 crores raised by it in February through auction of plots to meet land acquisition cost for ORR second phase. A part of Rs.375 crores raised through auction would be used for paying annuity to the developer of the Rs.700-crore ORR second phase, Mr. Jayesh Ranjan said.
Annuity plan: Under the annuity model, it would be responsibility of the developer to raise entire funds while HUDA would repay through annual instalments. However, HUDA decided to contribute Rs.150 crores so that its annual instalments would come down while the developer/consortium would raise rest of Rs.550, Mr. Ranjan said. HUDA had secured a Rs.500-crore bank loan for ORR first phase by mortgaging 100 acres at Kokapet and work on Phase I commenced. Of 500 acres of land with HUDA at Kokapet, 100 acres was mortgaged to banks and 125 acres was allotted for SEZ for IT sector. In the remaining 275 acres, there would be no public auction and it would be utilised for Integrated Township development, Mr. Ranjan disclosed. It however would auction its Shamshabad layout earmarked for Hotel Zone for raising more funds for ORR project before this year-end.
this gives a cool feeling that the ORR is secure for at least Phase I and II.
this will also serve as a model to execute the phase III and IV.

Hindustani

July 25th, 2006, 03:55 AM

This is a good news. Hyderabad 8+2 expressway ring road is first & only of its kind in any major Indian city. Its important that HUDA gets it right & on time. I'm glad Phase I & Phase II have funds secured.

Babji

August 5th, 2006, 02:58 AM

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/08/05/stories/2006080523510400.htm

HUDA chief denies allegations on Outer Ring Road, ready to face legal action
HUDA may contemplate legal action in future
Alignment changes are finalised by six-member IAS officers committee
Alignment has been changed to avoid demolition of infrastructure

HYDERABAD: Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (HUDA) Chairman D. Sudheer Reddy has categorically denied allegations that Outer Ring Road alignment changes were made to benefit a group of influential persons.

HUDA may contemplate legal action in future if baseless allegations continued, he said.

Reacting to questions posed by the BJP leader and former Union Minister of State for Urban Development Bandaru Dattatreya in the media, Mr. Reddy said though ORR was proposed during the TDP regime, it was later upgraded into an international project keeping the traffic requirements of the next 50 years. Accordingly, the access controlled expressway width was increased to 150 metres with additional features like flyovers, underpasses and junctions.

The alignment was changed in a few places either to avoid demolition of too many structures In other cases, the road was shifted 500 metres away from the Osman Sagar and Himayat Sagar lakes as per the directive of APPCB and another alignment shift was made to avoid bifurcation of Fab City following a specific request that vibrations due to traffic flow would affect its functioning.

Mr. Reddy said that a bend had to be straightened at Kandlakoya near Medchal and not a junction. And at Shamirpet, alignment was changed to save a steel factory with 600 employees and a portion of a water body from getting effected by the intended changes and not to favour any resort.

He said if anybody benefited out of the changes finalised by a six-member IAS officers committee, it was purely coincidental and not intentional. HUDA was prepared for any judicial inquiry into the projects taken up during the last two years.

Reacting to TDP president N. Chandrababu Naidu's charge that HUDA had spent public money on advertisements to clarify allegations levelled by a Telugu daily, Mr. Reddy said "It is our duty to put facts before people" as rejoinders given by HUDA were not being given same prominence like allegations.
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benefits of having a strong opposition => quality and care in executing works

Babji

August 29th, 2006, 02:16 AM

...and they tell me that where you see that big yellow structure, that is the beginning of the ORR!
http://i8.tinypic.com/25h1jxi.jpg

Thanks to Magestom.
we already have the first real picture of some thing to call (the beginning of) ORR, Hyderabad!.
(as seen from the inside of HIAL).

Babji

September 6th, 2006, 04:01 AM

http://i5.tinypic.com/348le84.jpg

The Outer Ring Road project is pegged to be the biggest such infrastructure project of its kind in the country.

The eight-lane bypass will boost connectivity between state and national highways and help decongest heavy traffic on the city roads.

The 162-km stretch is to be completed in four years at an estimated cost of Rs 4,000 crore. The first phase of the project is already over. But the road ahead for the second phase appears to be a bumpy one.

Opposition parties are also turning up the heat on the Hyderabad Urban Development Authority. "We are reconsidering the compensation so that something more can be given to the farmers. The government needs to support us on this," says Jayesh Ranjan, Vice-Chairman, Hyderabad Urban Development Authority.

magestom

September 6th, 2006, 04:39 AM

what/?? How is first phase done???

Babji

September 6th, 2006, 04:42 AM

what/?? How is first phase done???
I think, they are talking about the land aquisition part...
(source: a video news clipping from IBN CNN - at rediff.com)

http://inwww.rediff.com/newshound/ap.html

"Hyd Ring Road spells farmers' distress - IBN Live..."

arijeetb

September 6th, 2006, 07:57 AM

Babji

September 7th, 2006, 01:26 AM

http://i5.tinypic.com/348le84.jpg
Guess the flyover shown in the pic the one starting from Mehdopatnam - 11.5 km or so ...supposed to be the largest in the country. It would serve a good purpose to decongest the old mumbai highway. It is expected to be completed in time the airport is up in mid 2008.
I think you are refering to teh Elevated Express Hwy (11.5 km).
The Elevated Exp Hwy would be from M’patnam to Rajendra Nagar to join NH7. This is manily for the Hyderabad city based traffic to HIAL. This does not touch Gachibowli junction.

The flyover in the above pic seems to be different.
This may be to help the straight traffic from M'patnam on the Old Bombay Road to cross the junction where ORR meets Old Bombay Road @ Gachibowli. some one familiar with the area presently could confirm...

Babji

September 7th, 2006, 02:16 AM

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7262/pict1460wu1.jpg

A picture is worth a thousand words.
Thanks Arijeet.

Babji

September 8th, 2006, 03:13 AM

just a recap of ORR Phase I...

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ORR Phase I: 22km 8 lane Exp Hwy salient Features
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Distance from : Feature
Gachibowli Jn :
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00.0 km: Starts from Gachibowli junction on old Bby hwy (6 lane)
03.0 km: joins Ph II ORR from Patancheru – T-jn Interchange
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Other trivial details:
i. ORR: 8 lane divided carriageway with a design speed of 120 Kmph and one emergency lane.
ii. The link road from Gachibouli Jn to ORR is of 6 lane with ROW 75m with design speed of 100 Kmph.
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magestom

September 10th, 2006, 07:05 AM

Thanks to Magestom.
we already have the first real picture of some thing to call (the beginning of) ORR, Hyderabad!.
(as seen from the inside of HIAL).

fixed link
http://i2.tinypic.com/2akjzty.jpg

Babji

September 22nd, 2006, 05:08 AM

Huda’s stake in ring road project raised
Hyderabad, Sept 15: The Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (Huda) has increased its stake in the Outer Ring Road project from 60 per cent to 74 per cent and will now become the absolute owner of the asset and revenue generated out of it.

The board on Thursday took this decision keeping in view the urban authority mobilising funds for the two phases. The State had earlier set up Hyderabad Growth Corridor Limited to execute the ORR in which Huda held 60 per cent stakes and the remaining were held by the Infrastructure Corporation of Andhra Pradesh. The ORR project director Piyush Kumar will be the new managing director of HGCL.
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Congratulations to Mr Piyush Kumar.
This would help Mr Piyush Kumar to stay and complete the ORR works.
Most IAS officers get the posting of MD only after serving as a District Collector for several years. Piyush Kumar is now much more than a District Collector.
A Well deserved honor for Mr Piyush Kumar.
This move would raise the morale of the honest and sincere officers in GoAP.
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Babji

September 22nd, 2006, 05:12 AM

http://www.deccan.com/home/homedetails.asp#Pope%20angers%20Muslims%20worldwide

Russian Co. slips on ring road

Hyderabad, Sept 15: In a significant move, officials of the Outer Ring Road project have decided not to sub-let works of the prestigious eight-lane road to Transstroy India Limited (TIL). TIL, in which Congress MP Rayapati Sambasiva Rao holds major stakes, is the Indian subsidiary of Transstroy Open Joint Stock Company, a Russian firm which bagged the contract for the 11-km stretch (first phase) of ORR for Rs 219 crores.

Sources said the Russian firm had also been pulled up for the delay in implementing the monthly schedules of work. The Taiwan-based Continental Engineering Corporation is racing ahead of schedule. The two executing agencies volunteered to give monthly schedules for meeting the deadline. “We found that the Russian firm was much behind the schedule in the first two months,” said an official. As per the agreement, Transstroy OPJSC can sub-let 33 per cent of works to others with the nod of ORR project officials. However, it has been asked to avoid TIL because of its track record.

“Our inquiries have revealed that TIL does not have adequate experience or finances to handle projects of this magnitude,” said ORR project director Piyush Kumar. “We have also got information about some road works being terminated by the Karnataka highway authorities.” The officials have taken five per cent excess of the normal 10 per cent performance guarantee from the Russian firm since it quoted an abnormally low figure to gain the contract.

They feel that it would be difficult to complete the project with the amount quoted. Meanwhile, Transstroy OPJSC has been asked to start earth work simultaneously at five stretches out of which three are free from litigation. As per the plan drawn up by the officials, the four-lane road from Gachibowli to international airport has to be completed by December 2007, the eight-lane road has to be finished by June 2008 and remaining have to end by December 2008
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it is a good thing that they have noticed the track record of TIL before it is too late.
HGCL can now ask the main bidder (Transstroy OPJSC) to perform, or pack off. ====================================================================

bommasaniv

September 25th, 2006, 05:22 PM

Ring road work will take another two decades to complete. Hyd ORR could possibly be the biggest scam ever in Andhrapradesh history. All opposition parties will go to court and high is likely to give a stay to all work on ORR,

Bad news for Hyd :bash:

Babji

September 27th, 2006, 03:10 AM

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/09/27/stories/2006092720621000.htm
CBI, retired judge to probe land acquisition charges

HYDERABAD: Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y. S. Rajasekhara Reddy has ordered two inquiries, one by the Central Bureau of Investigation and the other by a retired High Court judge, into alleged irregularities in the acquisition of lands for the Outer Ring Road (ORR) project.

The terms of reference for both inquiries and the time limit for submitting the reports would be finalised while issuing the order.

However, efforts would be made to see that project works were not stopped.

The two inquiries would go into all transactions of lands over a period of five to six years, covered by the project. The order would indicate the peripheral areas of ORR where registration of lands could be disallowed during the probes, if necessary.

Pending case: A case on the alleged irregularities was pending in the Andhra Pradesh High Court.

No irregularity: YSR . Announcing this at a press conference here on Tuesday, Dr. Reddy said he believed that no irregularity was committed in the land acquisitions as alleged by a Telugu daily but he preferred the two probes to clear the air and prove the honesty and integrity of his Government.

Mounting a trenchant criticism on two Telugu newspapers, he said these dailies were acting as "handmaids" of the main Opposition, which was out to blackmail and discredit the Government on one count or the other.

He rejected the Telugu Desam Party's demand for his resignation, saying it was for the people to decide. Dr. Reddy also indicated that the Government might think of filing defamation suits against the Telugu daily that published the reports for "tarnishing the image" of the Government and his party.

"Government not scared" : The ordering of two probes at a time into an issue was yet another instance of his Government being not afraid of a CBI inquiry which was steadfastly avoided by the Telugu Desam regime even on serious issues such as the Rs. 350-crore beverage scandal.

He said he would have conceded the Telugu Desam demand for a CBI probe if it had sought it during the Assembly debate itself.
inspite of all the uproar and noice, opposition parties did not succeed in making a solid case on the issue.
and the ORR executive committee comprised of six senior IAS officers, not party workers.
looks like the allegations are gonna be a non-issue. on the positive side, YSR will come out clean.
that will only improve YSR's political image much further and make it easy to complete ORR.

Babji

September 27th, 2006, 03:24 AM

i agree. TDP, CPI, CPI(M) & TRS and BJP (both to an extent), have been running on all engines to get their pro-farmer, pro-poor agenda right. but the irony is i've seen more political uproar than agitation by the real people who are getting affected, vis a vis farmers. clearly this is nothing but a political stunt by the opposition and Left parties. but i don't they have gained much by this.

in fact, TDP prolly lost some vote bank b/c it has huge urban support in Hyd and this definitely will hurt it's and Naidu's image. so, TDP most prolly ended losing votes by all this.

I have also heard from many people from Hyd (esp college goers and people in 25-30 age group). They are all politically un-biased and are highly appreciative of YSR's rule.
They say, economic growth, development and employment are all due to YSR's initiatives.

Babji

September 27th, 2006, 03:47 AM

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/09/27/stories/2006092724480300.htm
Outer Ring Road on schedule
Detailed Project Report and Environmental Clearance processes for the second phase already completed

HYDERABAD: The State Government, announcing a CBI inquiry into the alleged irregularities in the alignment fixation of second phase of Outer Ring Road Project, maintained it would not stall the progress of the Rs. 3,500 crores project.

The 162 km long ORR circling the city from Gachibowli to Shamshabad, Narsingi to Patancheru and from there to Shamshabad was envisaged to decongest traffic flow and provide quicker access to all parts of the city.

The HUDA authorities on Tuesday night disclosed that independent of CBI inquiry, the work on 138-km second phase of ORR would continue as per the schedule. In fact the Detailed Project Report and Environmental Clearance processes for the second phase were already completed, they said.

It may be mentioned here that the work on the 24 km first phase of 162 km ORR from Gachibowli to Shamshabad commenced in June and the work is being executed by the two international agencies.

The Moscow-based Russian Company Corporation Transstroy is working on package I, 11-km eight lane road from Gachibowli to APPA at a cost of Rs. 219.74 crores. The second package, 13.3 km from APPA to Tondupally beyond Shamshabad, at a cost of Rs. 295 crores, is being executed by the Taiwanese firm Continental Engineering Corporation.

The first phase would be ready by the time the International Airport becomes operational.

The land acquisition for the 138 km second phase was scheduled to commence in September. But it got slightly delayed following allegations that second phase alignment had been changed to benefit the rich and influential while depriving the poor farmers of their lands and livelihood.

Following representations from farmers and political parties, the Government appointed a three-member cabinet sub-committee to finalise a compensation package to protect the interests of genuine farmers to be displaced by the ORR.

The HUDA authorities said that the land acquisition for the second phase would commence once the compensation package was announced.

Naga_Solidus

September 27th, 2006, 03:56 AM

Well, im glad they havent stopped work on the ORR. I can't wait for all 162 to be completed and opened.

BTW, has anyone heard anything abt the elevated Airport Expwy?

oliver999

September 27th, 2006, 04:21 AM

super power in 15 years.

Babji

September 28th, 2006, 03:02 AM

Well, im glad they havent stopped work on the ORR. I can't wait for all 162 to be completed and opened.

BTW, has anyone heard anything abt the elevated Airport Expwy?

Elevated Expressway Corridor in Hyderabad:

Simplex Somdatt has quoted the lowest amount, Rs. 439 crore, for the Mehdipatnam to international airport elevated expressway project in Hyderabad. The bid was 2.5% lower than HUDA's estimated construction value and lower than the other bidders - Gamon India, IJM Corporation, Malaysia, Italian Thai Development, Bangkok, Navyug Engineering, and Punj Loyd. Simplex Somdatt has been awarded a letter of acceptance.

The scope of work for Simplex would include the construction of the 11.5 km long expressway between the city of Hyderabad and HIAL. which on completion would be the longest flyover in India.

Letter of acceptance:....................... Aug 2006
Begin of works:................................ Sep/Oct 2006
M'Patnam - HIAL connectivity:............ Apr/May 2008 (20 months)
Completion (side lanes, underpass etc): Dec 2008 (28 months).

magestom

September 28th, 2006, 03:06 AM

Hyderabad is on a roll with all of these mega projects in Infrastructure... Expressway, ORR, Road Widening, Water connectivity, Skyscrapers to come....New Airport

Naga_Solidus

September 29th, 2006, 04:24 AM

http://hyderabadringroad.com/html/project_work.htm

The ORR will have its access points spaced 11km apart or so. Read the other specs:

Median width:5m
Soft Shoulder:3m
Hard Shoulder:3m
Width of Fast Lanes:3.5m
Width of Outer Lanes:3.75m

Design Speed:120km/h (I presume this will be the ORR's speed limit)

Compare these with Germany's Autobahn standards (from http://www.ajfroggie.com/roadpics/autobahn/ ):

No speed limit, but there is a 60km/h or 80km/h minimum (with no upper limit)

Hard shoulder width:2.6m
Lane width:3m
Interchange spacing:3-5km?

It appears the ORR is being built to higher standards than Germany's Autobahns! How cool is that?

What does it mean? It means they might as well not bother with an upper speed limit during daylight hours (though a 110km/h nighttime limit is a good idea due to visibility-related rafety concerns, as is a blanket 100km/h speed limit for trucks, 90km/h at night). A minimum speed limit is suggested due to the high standards of construction being employed. I'd reccomend 80km/h as the minimum speed.

But wait-what about traffic sense?

Well, let's look at Italy's Autostradas (130km/h speed limit):

No shoulders, 3m lane width. And then you have to add Italy's pizzaz-flavored and edgy driving style...

As you can see, if the Italians can go wild on their Autostradas which are built to lower standards than the upcoming ORR, then why not use the following regulations for speed on our ORR?

Daytime:No upper limit, 100km/h for trucks, 80km/h minimum for all users.

Nightime:110km/h upper limit, 90km/h for trucks (safety and visibility), 70km/h minimum.

Nighttime rules should also apply during heavy rain (i.e. monsoons) and other adverse weather conditions (like fog, though it's quite unlikely in Hyderabad).

Post your comments here.

October 14th, 2006, 01:14 AM

ORR Phase 2 - Financial consultant tenders are open and the closing date is 16-Oct-06.

http://www.hyderabadringroad.com/html/tenders.htm

check the HGCL new logo !

Babji

October 14th, 2006, 02:36 AM

ORR Phase 2 - Financial consultant tenders are open and the closing date is 16-Oct-06.
http://www.hyderabadringroad.com/html/tenders.htm

good. this is a strong indication that the ORR pghase-2 is well on its way.

October 14th, 2006, 02:20 PM

Does any have the latest construction updates, photos ?

Babji

October 19th, 2006, 04:08 AM

http://hyderabadringroad.com/html/project_work.htm

...As you can see, if the Italians can go wild on their Autostradas which are built to lower standards than the upcoming ORR, then why not use the following regulations for speed on our ORR?

Daytime:No upper limit, 100km/h for trucks, 80km/h minimum for all users.

Nightime:110km/h upper limit, 90km/h for trucks (safety and visibility), 70km/h minimum.

Nighttime rules should also apply during heavy rain (i.e. monsoons) and other adverse weather conditions (like fog, though it's quite unlikely in Hyderabad).

Post your comments here.
Most parts of the western world is more literate. They have better road sense, highway traffic advisory systems, emergency medical services, highway patrolling, road side assistance etc.
they understand and beleive the phrase "Driving is a prevelege"
and they still observe speed limits to a large extent.

In the case of Indian scenario, it take a while for people to get used to all this. Except for a 50-60% of educated road users, rest are not desciplined road users (imagine local truck drivers, unlicensed drivers etc). so, speed limits are necessary. Its not only for the safety of the driver himself/herself, but also for the safety of the rest of the road users.

imo, max speed limit should not be more than 105kmph (65mph)
its not easy to implement and monitor a different speed limit for trucks on the same hwy.
One limit for all vehicles. otherwise, there should be specially designated lanes for slow moving vehicles.
also, there should be a clear policy about two wheelers and three wheelers, like specially designated lanes.

Naga_Solidus

October 19th, 2006, 05:55 AM

We can't have 3-wheelers on it, but as for 2-wheelers...

you can't use it unless you have 200cc or better.

If you aren't eligible, use the service roads, plz.

Also, trucks don't belong in the innermost lane.

Besides, most trucks in India can't go more than 90km/h if that, and they're subject to different speed limits on (a) the MPE and (b) Indian highways (all of them. 100km/h for cars, 80km/h for trucks. It said so somewhere on this site).

p.raghavendra6

October 19th, 2006, 08:36 AM

In the case of Indian scenario, it take a while for people to get used to all this. Except for a 50-60% of educated road users, rest are not desciplined road users (imagine local truck drivers, unlicensed drivers etc).
^^ IMO, not all educated people are good road users. I saw many 'educated' people transforming into beasts when they hit the road with their wheels.

....also, there should be a clear policy about two wheelers and three wheelers, like specially designated lanes.
Yes, two and three wheelers should have separate dedicated lanes. The bikers think that all they need is just 3 feet width and push themselves into the gaps not bothering about the lanes and vehicles coming behind them.
They are the main culprits for accidents within city regions.

We can't have 3-wheelers on it, but as for 2-wheelers...
you can't use it unless you have 200cc or better.
Ultimately, a two-wheeler is a two-wheeler and he will do zig-zag drive no matter whether it is 200CC or 150CC.

Naga_Solidus

October 19th, 2006, 08:57 AM

i haqve no issues with ppl on motorbikes doing their zig zag stuff. The 200cc restriction is to ensure they have enough power to maintain normal highway speeds.

sudheeshnairs

October 19th, 2006, 12:47 PM

kaushik

October 19th, 2006, 12:57 PM

thanks naga for the info.

it will be interesting to see how autos would be driven on the high speed ORR:)
I think we need to have some kind of speed limits for different lanes.further we can have rules similar to that of the bombay pune expressway.
speed needs to be enforced to prevent accidents,i think which has already been implemented in noida.we also need to have a minimum speed setup.
I hope they are having enough place for emergency stops and ,repairs which are seen often on our roads.and at any cost we need to prevent the old polluting lorries on the ORR!!

does anybody know...R we going to have a kind of a toll gate?
one more thing in the ORR we have very few bridges connecting the areas on the either side of the ORR.will this cause any problem for development and will it cause any inconvinience?

Naga_Solidus

October 19th, 2006, 01:51 PM

Autos can't go more than 50km/h, so theyre gonna be restricted to the frontage roads.

Look, in Thailand, they have plenty of autos, andd they do just fine by not allowing them on their expwys.

And in a lot of pix on this site, there are clearly displayed 100km/h signs on the GQ, so 120km/h isnt that much of a stretch (that's why they designed the ORR for it, after all).

Bond James Bond

October 20th, 2006, 04:23 AM

Looks cool. But I might be distracted and get in a wreck if I'm driving and a train passes by. ;)

Naga_Solidus

October 20th, 2006, 01:57 PM

http://www.andhracafe.com/index.php?m=show&id=11425

New Delhi: Both Telugu Desam and Congress parties submitted memorandums of charges against each others to the President APJ Abdul Kalam, seeking suitable action.

While TDP led by former chief minister N Chandrababu Naidu accused the YS Rajasekhara Reddy government violating constitution and abuse of power, Congress submitted counter-charges explaining the details of anti-democratic activities of Chandrababu Naidu and his misinformation campaign against the Congress government in AP.

Accompanied by friendly parties Samajvadi Party and Asom Gana Parishad, TDP president Naidu led a delegation of senior leaders to the President and sought action against the state government for its omissions and commissions.

Providing documental evidence on the Outer Ring Road row, the TDP delegation submitted a 973-page document explaining alleged misuse of power. The team also submitted another document with 100 pages, providing the details of the apex court judgement on clemency to Congress worker Gouru Venkata Reddy.

Naidu explained to the President that there was clear violation of the Constitution in the clemency case and sought action against Chief Minister Rajasekhara Reddy. Emerging out of the meeting with President at Rastrapathi Bhavan, Naidu told newsmen that "the Supreme Court passed severe strictures on the state government on clemency issue. Chief Minister should have resigned owing moral responsibility".

He said TDP was planning a big rally in Hyderabad to expose the anti-constitutional, anti-people policies of the Congress government. Samajwadi Party general secretary Amar Singh said that his party will raise the issue in the Parliament.

They also met Vice-President Bhairon Singh Shekhawat and submitted a memorandum seeking action against the State government. Naidu also called on CPI general secretary A B Bardhan and discussed the ongoing Opposition protest in the State.

Meanwhile, Congress MPs explained the President that the Supreme Court had not passed any adverse remarks against the State Government in the clemency case. They enlisted a number of cases which were withdrawn during the TDP regime.

Referring to ORR, Congress MPs pointed out that the State Government had already ordered judicial probe, besides enquiry by CBI. They also met the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

arijeetb

October 20th, 2006, 04:23 PM

Naga, I think you are becoming too optimistic about speeds:)

We have very few percentage of vehicles in the total vehicular population which could easily cruise at 100 kmph or even 80 kmph. And we keep our vehicles for the life time, so the condition of the vehicles too play an important role.

ORR would serve as a city road too, isn't it? So will they ban two wheelers/three wheelers?

Even an Intra city highway like MPE is having an upper speed limit of 80 kmph (officially). It was 120 kmph earlier and later reduced due to the increased accident rates. The vehicles were simply not suited for highspeed driving. This can happen here also.

Moreover as said by babji and raghavendra, the traffic awareness is a big issue. Even educated people are simply 'ignorant' of the general manners to be followed in the road.

I have seen heavily laden trucks 'inching' (yes, I mean it-speed less than 20 kmph) in slight gradients in our highways, sometimes they would be occupying the right lane also.

Anyway let us wait and see..

Yes Sudheesh - traffic sense is a very very serious problem in Hyderabad and the govt should enforce ( with the existing infrastructure) rather than demolish and widen to 8/10 lane roads or build flyovers.
Coming to ORR some views
1. I guess that it would be protected on both sides- so atleast people will not 'cross' the ORR onto the other side. It is important since ORR would pass thru many villages
2. The ORR would pass through many villages ( for example near Nanakramguda which is the next IT hub housing wipro, infy, msoft, CA( coming up) , kanbay, polaris etc) - so there should be exit and entry points at this place - not sure if it is in the plan
3. Not sure if the stretch till airport ( 22 km) has any entry/exits ( please correct me here ) - so I seriously hope they do not allow ( tuk tuks, cycles etc ).
4. Also having a BRTS system on ORR would be good since it is 8 lanes and we can have two dedicated lanes for buses....
5. Regarding speed - i guess if there is discipline and people follow them one can drive safely at 100 km/hr or so on the ORR

Naga_Solidus

October 20th, 2006, 05:55 PM

^^

1.The ORR will have fences and underpasses etc so pedestrians wont be that much of an issue.

2. The Nanakramaguda ramps are on the Gachibowli feeder road, not the main ORR itself.

3. The 22km Phase 1 bit features ramps at Gachibowli (trimpet interchange to feeder road), APPA (to Vikarabad), and Shamshabad (to NH7). All other villages on the rout have access to the frontage roads, but not the main ORR itseld.

4. BRTS is a good suggestion, but...

a) there's already a paralell rail line u/c, so it won't eat up any of the existing lanes, and will provide a dedicated P/T route paralell to the ORR.

b) assiming the paralell rail line is only for Phase 1 (not the rest), then the BRT should perhaps be on 2 NEW lanes on either side (the original 8 should be used for their original intent, and repurposing them for relatively low-density bus routes as opposed to other more high-density forms of transport willo lead to more traffic congestion). There is space provided between the ORR and the frontage roads for future expansion, for precicely this reason.

5. Don't forget the exit spacing is 2x what you would normally expect, so you won't have traffic exiting and entering the ORR as often as on, say, the M25. Also, the fact that the ORR has wider lanes than most European expressways (except for England's motorways), it will have a higher tolerance for error than Germany's autobahns. This is perhaps why the designers clearly state on their site that the design speed is 120km/h for the ORR and 100km/h for the Gachibowli feeder road.

arijeetb

October 20th, 2006, 06:25 PM

1.The ORR will have fences and underpasses etc so pedestrians wont be that much of an issue.

2. The Nanakramaguda ramps are on the Gachibowli feeder road, not the main ORR itself.

3. The 22km Phase 1 bit features ramps at Gachibowli (trimpet interchange to feeder road), APPA (to Vikarabad), and Shamshabad (to NH7). All other villages on the rout have access to the frontage roads, but not the main ORR itseld.

4. BRTS is a good suggestion, but...

a) there's already a paralell rail line u/c, so it won't eat up any of the existing lanes, and will provide a dedicated P/T route paralell to the ORR.

b) assiming the paralell rail line is only for Phase 1 (not the rest), then the BRT should perhaps be on 2 NEW lanes on either side (the original 8 should be used for their original intent, and repurposing them for relatively low-density bus routes as opposed to other more high-density forms of transport willo lead to more traffic congestion). There is space provided between the ORR and the frontage roads for future expansion, for precicely this reason.

5. Don't forget the exit spacing is 2x what you would normally expect, so you won't have traffic exiting and entering the ORR as often as on, say, the M25. Also, the fact that the ORR has wider lanes than most European expressways (except for England's motorways), it will have a higher tolerance for error than Germany's autobahns. This is perhaps why the designers clearly state on their site that the design speed is 120km/h for the ORR and 100km/h for the Gachibowli feeder road.

Looks good
1. Has the construction of the rail line started ? Haven't seen any atleast at Gachibowli
2. Are all the ramps/feeder roads scheduled for May 2008 completion ?
3. I hope the gachibowli feeder for the ORR would be planned to meet the load bcoz i foresee a large number of ppl directly using this road to reach the airport from the software campuses

My concern with wide roads ( as in ORR) in Hyd is people will not stick to one or two lanes but will change all 4 within a matter of minutes. Also hopping the ORR terrain will not see too many ups/downs or curves- like in most of the newly widened roads in Banjara/jubilee hills. It causes people to take deviations from the straight lane

Naga_Solidus

October 20th, 2006, 06:46 PM

If ppl will be using the Gachibowli feeder road quite a bit, then perhaps they need to consider widening it from 6 lanes (original plan), and more importantly, they make have to upgrade the ramps at Nanakramaguda and Kajaguda (to a full-on cloverleaf, or at least a parclo).

More seriously, they need to consider extending the Gachibowli link expwy through Hafeezpet up to NH 9 (New Bombay Highway). However, such an extension will require a serious upgrade of the Hafeezpet ROB, not to mention the relocation of various shops to make way for frontage roads etc (if it is to be signal-free all the way through Hafeezpet). No wonder the Gachibowli feeder expwy stops at Gachibowli Jn. :D

Old Bombay Rd may also need to be upgraded, but potential complications include the presence of a Durgamata shrine in the center divider somewhere near Whisper Valley (FOBs anyone?).

kaushik

October 20th, 2006, 10:38 PM

they also need to widen the service roads.since huda has enmarked for massive townships on either side of the ORR,the service roads can expect a lot of traffic.

Babji

October 21st, 2006, 01:16 AM

Are there any "Traffic Advisory" Radio channels operational in Hyd?
Would anyone have any info on traffic advisory on Exp Hwys in other metros in India?

Naga_Solidus

October 21st, 2006, 04:39 AM

they also need to widen the service roads.since huda has enmarked for massive townships on either side of the ORR,the service roads can expect a lot of traffic.

4-lane service roads, anyone?

This approach may have to be taken at the point where the service roads end at the Gandipet link rd (view video for details), which may or may not see numerous traffic increases depending on how many people decide to go to Gandipet. Which brings up another issue: shoudl Gandipet lake be beautified with palm trees, tiles, etc. and turned into a tourist promenade and hangout on the lines of Hussain Sagar?

p.raghavendra6

October 21st, 2006, 04:13 PM

Are there any "Traffic Advisory" Radio channels operational in Hyd?
Would anyone have any info on traffic advisory on Exp Hwys in other metros in India?
I dont know whether you are asking for normal FM radios which give traffic updates or some other (techinical stuff)...... :dunno:

But, private (and govt) FM radio channels which have entered Hyderabad recently are giving time to time update on traffic status on different roads.

Some private FM's are

Radio Mirchi

Radio City

BIG FM

the following channels are under the control of Prasar bharathi

Vividh bharathi

Rainbow FM

Babji

October 22nd, 2006, 01:17 AM

... private (and govt) FM radio channels which have entered Hyderabad recently are giving time to time update on traffic status on different roads.

Some private FM's are

Radio Mirchi

Radio City

BIG FM

the following channels are under the control of Prasar bharathi

Vividh bharathi

Rainbow FM
Its good to have so many radio channels providing traffic updates.
they would help the Exp Hwy users to expect/estimate the delays and be prepared.
it would become a regular routine for Hwy users to tune to these stations.

also, most Exp Hwys in the west also provide electro-mechanical/electronic display systems, which provide traffic updates such as "Construction", "Congestion", "Closed lanes", "Accident", "Go Slow", etc. these systems are remotely controlled and managed by the company that operates the Exp Hwy. They provide very helpful and important info, so road users will understand the situation and adjust accordingly.

For example, one can choose to exit from the Exp hwy one or two stages before his regular exit, and take local roads/alternate routes, to avoid getting stuck on the hwy for longer time.

Naga_Solidus

October 22nd, 2006, 05:15 AM

"Go Slow" is a poorly worded message because it is extremely unspecific to the situation at any time, and could cause people to imnstinclively go down to 20km/h...which will cause EXTREME traffic congestion on the ORR. "Proceed with caution, 80km/h" is a better worded and much more specific warning.

Better still, how about things like the following:

"Flooding, next 5km, 70km/h max"
"Lanes 3, 4 closed, merge left, 80km/h max"
"Traffic jam, CW 2km from Airport Expwy"
"Child kidnapping, AP 9C 9968" (Yes, that's a real message from the USA...their Amber Alert system was later expanded to include real-time traffic info. If that's really anyone's liscence number plz don't take it the wrong way)
"All hazards rectified, (///)" <<return to default regulations sign
"Illegal cross traffic spotted CCW at APPA, turn on high beams, 90km/h max, proceed with caution" (This is what we'll need if someone tries to get on the expwy going the wrong way)
"Traffic density low, German driving rules now apply" (This is so enthusiasts will have a way to express themselves)
"Illegal traffic on expwy, ready horn, turn on high beams, 120km/h limit" (This is for when someone tries to drive a tractor/auto/50cc moped onto the expwy, and is meant to get them off ASAP)

p.raghavendra6

October 22nd, 2006, 10:00 AM

Its good to have so many radio channels providing traffic updates.
they would help the Exp Hwy users to expect/estimate the delays and be prepared.
it would become a regular routine for Hwy users to tune to these stations.

Yeah, these FM's have already become a big hit. Moreover they are very affordable (you can get a FM player for as cheap as 20 bucks).

Regarding traffic updates, The City traffic police have understandings with all these FM's and are effectively using them. The FM's also recieve inputs from listeners via mobile phones. :)

Babji

October 22nd, 2006, 09:51 PM

"Illegal traffic on expwy, ready horn, turn on high beams, 120km/h limit" (This is for when someone tries to drive a tractor/auto/50cc moped onto the expwy, and is meant to get them off ASAP)
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this might happen, unless the authorities make all out efforts to educate the road users.
but then, asking the other drivers to "ready horn, turn on high beams..." is ,
like teaching bad driving habits/ high beam could be very annoying to fellow drivers, unless in inclement weather -
may be, drivers can call police, so police could handle such cases.

Naga_Solidus

October 23rd, 2006, 02:34 PM

Erm...

how about ways to deter illegal traffic in the first place?

let's see...

fencing will do a lot in terms of preventing illegal pedestrian crossing (as I said before underpasses are called for in the design).

But what about bicycles, autos, and mopeds trying to access the expwy via the ramps (which is the reason why I came up with the illegal traffic warning in the first place)?

On the ramps leading into the expwy (the right ones to use)...

A few signs may help discourage such activity. Here's the proposal:

Autos
Bicycles
Cycle-Rickshaws
2-wheelers (under 200cc)
Bullock Carts
Animals
Pedestrians

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PROHIBITED ON EXPRESSWAY
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Use service roads instead

The above sign should be made in English (shown), Hindi, and Telugu. It should also be supplemented with a pictogram showing the prohibited transport, with a red slash through it.

They will also have to put signs on the exit ramps leading towards the expwy into oncoming traffic (to prevent people from trying to get on using the wrong ramp):

http://z.about.com/d/geography/1/0/O/F/donotenter2.JPG
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USE OPPOSITE RAMP
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HEAD ON COLLISION RISK

As with the other one, this sign also has to be made in English, Hindi, and Telugu. The sign should also be supplemented with a pictogram depicting a car using the ramp for entry, into oncoming traffic, with a slash through it.

This should help local village traffic avoid getting into conflicts of interest with everyone else (indeed, that's why it's good that acces to the main expwy is provided only at state and national highways, not at all the roads it intersects. It could use a few off ramps at the AP Engineering and Research Labs though).

Babji

October 24th, 2006, 12:38 AM

Erm...

how about ways to deter illegal traffic in the first place?

let's see...

fencing will do a lot in terms of preventing illegal pedestrian crossing (as I said before underpasses are called for in the design).

But what about bicycles, autos, and mopeds trying to access the expwy via the ramps (which is the reason why I came up with the illegal traffic warning in the first place)?

On the ramps leading into the expwy (the right ones to use)...

A few signs may help discourage such activity. Here's the proposal:

The above sign should be made in English (shown), Hindi, and Telugu. It should also be supplemented with a pictogram showing the prohibited transport, with a red slash through it.

They will also have to put signs on the exit ramps leading towards the expwy into oncoming traffic (to prevent people from trying to get on using the wrong ramp):

As with the other one, this sign also has to be made in English, Hindi, and Telugu. The sign should also be supplemented with a pictogram depicting a car using the ramp for entry, into oncoming traffic, with a slash through it.

This should help local village traffic avoid getting into conflicts of interest with everyone else (indeed, that's why it's good that acces to the main expwy is provided only at state and national highways, not at all the roads it intersects. It could use a few off ramps at the AP Engineering and Research Labs though).

Excellent ideas. Esp, the pictograms would help a lot.
such sign-boards and pictograms must be installed at all the entry ramps and intersections.
also, they should impose heavy fines/penalties to such offenders.

plus, there should be regular patrolling on the highways with modern gadgets such as radar/ speed guns, on-board terminals for cops with on-line access to vehicle records and driver licence records.

any ideas, as how to prevent stray animals (dogs, buffalos etc) from entering on to the Exp hwys?

Naga_Solidus

October 24th, 2006, 06:02 AM

The same fences that will prevent illegal pedestrians will help keep most stray animals off the expwy...except elephants (they're far too powerful). Luckily, I've never seen an elephant in or near Hyd, so the biggest animals we have to worry about are camels. The Chilkur forest section will have a significant leopard hazard (remember the J. Hills leopard?), but the presence of wildife underpasses and noise barriers (shown in the video) will help prevent leopard-deer chases from spilling over onto the expwy.

Radar tech: This is essential if the dynamic speed limit proposal (none by default, 70km/h minimum, a dynamic upper limit can be temporarily introduced in the event of bad weather/low light visibility/etc) is to work without confusing everyone.

New limit proposal:

None during daylight hours, 70km/h minimum at all times
110km/h during nightime, 70km/h minimum at night as in the daytime
90km/h max for trucks, no trucks in the inner two lanes
80km/h temp limit for everyone during heavy rains (someone could skid out of control otherwise), 60km/h minimum (dropped due to skidding concerns)
70km/h max on the frontage roads

Now, a few words regarding buses are needed:

Buses are legally classified as trucks, so they must follow the same restrictions as trucks. If they need to pick up passengers, they must exit the expy (NOTE: most of the buses using the ORR will most likely be long distance buses, with their pickup pounts on major national highways and not anywhere in between)

BTW, I drove past the ORR feeder road construction site in Gachibowli last night, and it was deserted. Are they on a holiday break, or is there a far more serious issue at hand (i.e. is it the section being built by the Russians/has construction been stalled due to the controversy?)

kaushik

October 24th, 2006, 06:51 AM

I think fencing is really important.Is HUDA planning any tourist circuits around the ORR??I think we need to have some rest areas/parks at frequent intervals!!
As Naga said 4 lane service roads r a good option.

Naga_Solidus

October 24th, 2006, 07:13 AM

Regarding tourist circuits, all I know is that (a) the ORR goes next to a dargah at one point, and that the frontage roads terminate at a road leading to Gandipet, with a new set of them starting after the main expwy cuts through a bit of rocky terrain. The 2nd set of frontage roads is designed to cater to local traffic in Shamshabad.

Gandipet can easily be turned into quite a pleasant tourist spot (with the lake and all), so that's one possibility. There is no further info regarding tourist spots near the ORR.

On a related note, they may need to build an expwy spur from the ORR towards the Visa temple, branching off from the ORR as it passes through the Chilkur forest :D

Babji

October 26th, 2006, 01:01 AM

Wednesday, October 25, 2006 http://www.cyberabadtimes.net/2006/10/orr-delay-may-lead-to-traffic-chaos.asp
ORR delay may lead to Traffic chaos
While many differ on the consequences of possible delayed execution of the Outer Ring Road Project, technical experts are sure of one thing.

Among other things, easing traffic congestion and checking fatal road accidents on the internal roads of the State capital are billed as prime objectives of the ORR. For residents, the day begins with traffic snarls and culminates in chaos by evening whether it is north, south, east, west or central part of the city.

The L.B. Nagar junction through which the existing ring road passes on eastern side of the city is a classic example. This intersection is connected to Chandrayanagutta on one side and Uppal on the other. Movement of heavy vehicles is so high on this route that breakdown of a single vehicle brings traffic movement to grinding halt.

Roads connecting these three points to the city are always choked. People taking the L.B. Nagar-Dilsukhnagar-Malakpet are forced to travel at snail's pace during peak hours. Number of vehicles in city is increasing by two times every five years. Going by this staggering growth, vehicles cannot even move on L.B. Nagar-Malakpet route.

The proposed ORR passes through Hayathnagar beyond L.B. Nagar. Any delay in ORR means forcing the commuters to bear the traffic forever. Nothing explains better about the need for the ORR than the noon to night traffic jam recently witnessed from Bowenpally to Secunderabad following a religious meeting held at Kompally. When the meeting was over, thousands of vehicles started off towards the city leading to a traffic jam.

In fact, it is a re-run of the traffic chaos witnessed whenever public meetings are held either in city centre or fringes. Delay in execution of the ORR may mean different results for different groups. For commuters of Hyderabads, it is extension of physical and mental agony day in and day out.
any ideas/suggestions to quick fix the specific issues highlighted in red?

Naga_Solidus

October 26th, 2006, 05:22 AM

LB Nagar roundabout: Upgrade it to a free-flow interchange, preferrably a whirlpool (http://cbrd.co.uk/reference/interchanges/whirlpool.shtml) interchange. If sucha design is too expensive, a half-cloverleaf-half-stack design like SZR Interchange #2 in Dubai. However, the fact that the SZR-esque option is 3 levels, as opposed to 2 levels for a whirlpool. Lastly, the SZR interchange is 410m by 210m, so that's quite a bit of land take. FTR, there's 90mx90m of potential space at the LB Nagar roundabout, and it's built up on all sides. This further impacts the SZR interchange's feasability, and requires a really heavily compressed whirlpool interchange with extremely sharp turns.

Uppal Roundabout: They've proposed a Parclo interchange here (from what I've gathered). They should build it ASAP, and since there's a lot more room next to it that in LB Nagar, they may want to consider upgrading the plan to something like SZR Jn #2, esp. since this is on NH 202 to Warangal and Ramnathpur.

Ring Road (Uppal to Chandrayanagutta): From Google Earth, one can see a bit of dirt on either side of the IRR. This can be used for road widening from the current 4/6 lns to 8/10 lns (they did so in highly built-up Begumpet several months back, and theyre doing so in Punjagutta right now). This will create enough space to form 2-lane frontage roads (service rds) on either side, accessible to and from the main IRR at 1.5-2km intervals. The main IRR is to be reserved for cars, heavy vehicles, 4-wheel LCVs, and motorbikes 200cc and up. Everyone else is to use the frontage roads. The frontage roads will have much more local access than the main IRR itself, which shall be concretized and (if possible) provided with hard outer shoulders. The design speed of the mian IRR shall ideally be 90km/h (60km/h minimum speed limit, 90km/h upper limit). Additional widening is needed between LB Nagar and the Nagarjunsagar Highway. For this 1100m section (including the approach roads on either side, the spacing between the two Jns is 660m), a design similar to the 401 in Toronto is to be used, with 2-lane frontage roads on either side. The main IRR is to develop 4 carriageways, of 2 lanes each, to seperate through traffit headed to Chandrayanagutta and beyond from traffic headed towards Ramoji Film City, Nagarjunsagar, and Vijaywada. The Nagarjunsagar Highway Jn. is to be fitted with a Parclo of the type on the end of the DND Flyway, but with additional low-land take ramps for traffic heading from Chandrayanagutta to Nagarjunsagar and traffic from LB Nagar to Madannapet Mandi.

From about 250m after the Nagarjunsagar Highway, the outer IRR carriageways shall merge into the inner two IRR carriageways, returning it to a 3+3 expwy with 2-lane frontage roads, all the way up to Chandrayanagutta. Grade seperations between here and Chandrayanagutta Jn. There shall be no direct access to the main IRR up until DMRL circle, where a 4-lane flyover shall be provided on the Ring road, going over the existing roundabout, with the frotnage roads feeding it, and allowing traffic from Nalagonda to access the main IRR if needed.

After passing the Deccan Institute of Medical Sciences, the main IRR shall become an elevated expwy, with the frontage roads running underneath it. It shall continue as an elevated expwy up until the Jn. before Chandrayanagutta, and will provide exit-only ramps at Kendriya Vidyalaya Kanchanbagh (CCW and CW carriageways).

At Chandrayanagutta Jn, we have an interesting situation: the flyover u/c is a generic one, but it was meant to be a full-on cloverleaf...until local protests made them change the plan and provide provisions for future ramps after land acquisition. As the elevated epxy meets ground level at the Jn before Chandrayanagutta Jn, the 2 outer lanes will meet the ground at the intersection, where stoplight shall be provided. The remaining 2 lanes will meet ground level shortly afterwards, after the stoplight. From here, the same 2+3+3+2 layout shall be used until Chandrayanagutta Jn, where the upcoming flyover will take through traffic over the Jn. I still need to think of how to handle the proposed but then canned cloverleaf ramps though.

We still need to figure out how to handle the frontage roads at the LB Nagar Roundabout and the Nagarjunsagar Intersection.

For the L B Nagar-Malakpet route, there's the upcomign Dilsukhnagar Flyover, as well as the MRTS line. IMO, frontage roads should be made on NH9 from the point where the Dilsukhnagar flyover is set to end all the way through the LB Nagar roundabout and up to Ramoji Film City (when combined with a bit of access-control, this will create an expwy from Dilsukhnagar to Ramoji Film City).

BTW, what exactly is the deal with the ORR delay? When is Phase-1 set to open now?

Babji

October 26th, 2006, 05:45 AM

^^ Very interesting. Thanks for the prompt update @Naga_Solidus.

LB Nagar roundabout: Upgrade it to a free-flow interchange, preferrably a whirlpool interchange. I hope they would be able to consider the whirlpool interchange idea.

They were able to expand the roads in Begumpet and Panjagutta areas, primarily due to the MRTS project (to provide right-of-way, which has been a pre-condition by the bidders). It might take a few more years to do so between LB Nagar and the Nagarjunsagar Highway. In the meanwhile, they are also looking at developing some of the internal/ parallel roads and/or arterial roads to distribute the traffic on the congested parts.
The main IRR is to be reserved for cars, heavy vehicles, 4-wheel LCVs, and motorbikes 200cc and up. Everyone else is to use the frontage roads. The frontage roads will have much more local access than the main IRR itself, which shall be concretized and (if possible) provided with hard outer shoulders. this is an excellent idea. they should seriously consider this.

Chandrayanagutta Jn part is still a puzzle. may be GoAP should involve the community leaders to convince the public about the need for a full-on cloverleaf ramps ... and that would take years...

ORR Phase I is proposed to be open by Dec 2007.
a more realistic date could be Feb/Mar 2008.
APPA - Gachibowli (Russian builder) part seems to be lagging behind a little bit.
we might here about some changes/ adjustments in the contract some time soon.

Naga_Solidus

October 26th, 2006, 06:30 AM

Maybe they'll hand over the APPA-Shamshabad bit to the Taiwanese.

Babji

October 26th, 2006, 06:34 AM

APPA - Shamshabad part is already given to the Taiwanese firm and they are doing quite good.

Naga_Solidus

October 26th, 2006, 06:35 AM

Whoops my bad I meant APPA-Gachibowli

Babji

October 26th, 2006, 06:40 AM

the catch is, there is a senior congress MP, who is a partner/main sub-contractor with the Russian builder. its a little bit complicated.

its very likely that YSR will have a personal talk with the PM today (during the visit to Hyd) on this. If YSR gets a "No objection", then some part or as-is of APPA-Gachibowli part could go to Taiwanese - we will know by mid November perhaps.

Naga_Solidus

October 26th, 2006, 07:32 AM

Babji

October 26th, 2006, 07:42 AM

Well, I had a look at the ORR development map (you can get it from www.hyderabadringroad.com), and would you belive it, they show NH9 (yes, all the way into Dilsukhnagar!) on the list of roads to develop (it's shown in red on the map, along with all the other NH routes except 202 to Warangal). If my guess is right, the Red lines indicate high-priority roads set for upgradation, and the fat cyan ones are 2nd-tier roads set for upgradation. The rest of the cyan lines are not as thick as the ones corresponding to the "11 radial roads", so I guess they're not set for any upgrades, though they may get a little bit of refurbishing.

If the red lines are high priority feeder roads, there is a high chance of them being upgraded to expwies (Indian definition, meaning full grade seperation/access control/etc), or at least some form of superarterial (like the "expressway" network seen in Santa Clara County. They feature widely spaced intersections, partial grade seperation, and almost no access control. They do, however, lack direct driveway access in most instances. Because "expressway" means something more like "freeway" in India, I'll use the term "parkway" instead)

The cyan lines are almost certainly going to be upgraded to "parkway" status...I hope.
here is a list of RADIAL ROADS connecting IRR to the ORR:

S.No. Name of the road From To Length of the road (in Kms.)
1 Bangalore Highway Katedan Shamshabad 8.0
2 Rajendranagar University Road APAU Entrance Himayatsagar bund 7.00
3 Himayatsagar Road Mohalnagar Jn. State Police Academy 6.60
4 Narsingi Jn. Narsingi jn. Mohalnagar Jn. 3.50
5 Gandipet water channel Retibowli Khajaguda 5.40
6 Old Bombay road Retibowli Gachibowli 11.30
7 Extension of Hi-tech city road Panjagutta ORR (near Edulanagulapally) 30.00
8 Manjeera Phase-I pipe line road Panjagutta Hafeezpet 13.50
9 NH9 Bombay road Panjagutta Patancheruvu 33.00
10 Secunderabad - Bombay road Paradise jn. Balanagar 6.40
11 Narsapur Highway HMT junction ORR (near Dommara Pochampally) 18.00
12 Nagpur Highway NH7 Paradise Jn. Suchitra Electronic Jeedimetla 21.00
13 Paradise - Hasmathpet Paradise jn. Old Alwal 10.00
14 Rajeev Rahadari Plaza Jn. Lothkunta 22.80
15 Radhika theatre to ORR Radhika theatre ORR (near Narsampally) 14.50
16 Keesaragutta road Kushaiguda Keesara 15.20
17 Nacharam road Mallapur ROB Cherlapally 13.30
18 Chengicherla - Mallapur road Survey of India Chengicherla (near ORR) 11.00
19 Warangal NH 202 Uppal Jn. Narapally 10.10
20 North Musi river drain Nagole bridge Muthwalguda 12.00
21 South Musi river drain Nagole bridge Qutubullapur 12.00
22 Nagole-Thattiannaram road Nagole Jn. Kuntloor 11.00
23 Moosarambagh - Kuntloor road Moosarambagh Kuntloor 7.00

harsh1802

October 26th, 2006, 07:57 AM

15 Radhika theatre to ORR Radhika theatre ORR (near Narsampally) 14.50
16 Keesaragutta road Kushaiguda Keesara 15.20

^^ These roads are near the KAPRA municipality section of the ORR right!?

Hmmm...they should have extended the second road to ECIL X roads......that would have been great.

They first road is the lane adjacent to my colony back home.............:dance:

tHNKS FOR THE INFO BABJI and nice updates also Nag!

harsh1802

October 26th, 2006, 08:01 AM

On second thoughts, a 14.5 Km road to ORR from my house doesn't sound like a gud option to take if you wanna use the ORR right!?

Naga_Solidus

October 26th, 2006, 08:31 AM

On second thoughts, a 14.5 Km road to ORR from my house doesn't sound like a gud option to take if you wanna use the ORR right!?

It doesn't sound like a good option if the road is still gonna have at-grade intersections. I'm not sure where Radhika theater is tho, so I can't give you a detailed asessment of wha to expect from the upgrade except maybe a standard six-lane road with stoplights/roundabouts every 200m or so.

If they try building it with grade seperations (at least at major intersections, if not all), then that will make it easier for you to get to the ORR, but doing so will also increase the ammount of noise on the road. Thus, grade seperation will also require noise barriers next to the road to help you sleep. :)

BTW, I did a few measurements in GE, and for those of us living in Banjara Hills, it's more convenient to take the upcoming Airport Expwy and take the ORR from near the new airport than to trudge all the way through J. Hills and Madhapur to take the Gachibowli feeder road. It's a choice of ~4km of non-expwy driving vs. ~13km.

Rajasv

October 26th, 2006, 09:10 AM

>> Gandipet water channel Retibowli Khajaguda 5.40

Can someone explain this route? Is this a brand new rd or an existing one? Does it go thru Raidurg/Manikonda/Poppalguda?

Naga_Solidus

October 26th, 2006, 09:36 AM

where is Retibowli anyway? And where is Aramgarh Jn for that matter?

kaushik

October 26th, 2006, 09:47 AM

nice updates naga and babji

Babji

October 27th, 2006, 12:44 AM

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/10/27/stories/2006102708560400.htm

ORR: Court declines to invoke Article 355

HYDERABAD: A Division Bench of the High Court on Thursday declined to entertain a miscellaneous petition to invoke Article 355 in the name of situation arising out of alleged illegal activities in connection with Outer Ring Road project (ORR).

The Bench was hearing a writ petition filed by the Telugu Desam functionaries complaining against the State Government that they have committed serious irregularities in the project.

Appropriate orders: The Bench further directed the Central Government to respond and pass appropriate orders on the request made by the State Government seeking a CBI probe.

When the case had come up for hearing on Thursday, the petitioner's counsel said that an amendment petition has been filed seeking amendment of the prayer for a direction invoking Article 355 which declares that it shall be the duty of the Centre to protect every State against external aggression and internal disturbances.

However, the Bench was not inclined to entertain this plea for amending the prayer and adjourned the matter by four weeks.
cool. yet another victory for team YSR.

Babji

October 27th, 2006, 01:24 AM

I guess, Retibowli Jn is after Mehdipatnam Jn while you travel towards Gachibowli. I think, its like a "Y" type Jn, left side goes to Golconda Fort and the right (or straight) side goes to Gachibowli.
some one familiar with the locality could give a better picture.

Aaramghar Jn is in Rajendranagr, (near APPA?) where the EExpwy lands to meet NH7.
hope, some one could verify this.

the existing inner ring road from Rethibowli junction passes thru Aramghar junction.

Rajasv

October 27th, 2006, 03:35 AM

Babji

October 27th, 2006, 03:47 AM

Aramghar Junction is where the inner ring road (from Mehdipatnam, Attapur) meets Hyd-Bangalore NH7. The proposed elevated exp road (do not confuse this to the ORR phase 1 exp way) from Mehdipatnam Sarojini Devi Hospital goes along this inner ring road via Attapur and ends on NH7 at Aramghar. This elevated exp rd is access controlled and considered to be the longest flyover in India when it will be done in 3/2008 along with the Shamshabad Airport.

I am still not sure about this Khajaguda radial road path. Hoping someone can answer this.

thanks for the update RajaSV.
Khajaguda could be off Old Bombay road, on Nanakramguda road.
it goes like: Khajaguda junction - Nanakramguda-Wipro junction-Gowlidoddi-Gopanpally thanda-Nallagandla railway crossing-BHEL crossroads... (confused?) may be someone could verfy.:)

hint: Oakridge International School is in Khajaguda. (near Delhi Public School?) Serilingampally municipality

Babji

October 27th, 2006, 04:44 AM

HC postpones hearing on ORR
[ 27 Oct, 2006 0220hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

HYDERABAD: A two-member bench of the Andhra Pradesh High Court on Thursday adjourned the writ petition on realignment of Outer Ring Road (ORR) filed by Nagam Janardhan Reddy and Kadiam Srihari of the TDP by four weeks.

The two leaders had filed the writ alleging that the alignment was changed several times at the behest of the families backed by members of the ruling party.

On the last occasion when the matter came up before the court, the bench directed the CBI to get instructions. The CBI informed the court that there were five inquiries pending against the officials alleged to have committed irregularities in the acquisition of land for the ORR project.

The court directed that the writ petition be posted for hearing after four weeks as some of the notices sent by the court were yet to be served and therefore, the court did not interfere with the amendment petitions filed by the writ petitioners. The court also directed the registry to serve the notices by the next date of hearing.

this should not impact the on going works of phase I.
the concerned officials would be asked to explain and justify their actions.
the present alignment and progress of works would not be effected, I guess.

Rajasv

October 27th, 2006, 04:45 AM

Thanks Babji. I was thinking more like a new road from Rethibowli to Khaja Guda via Lanco Hills, Manikonda, Alkapoor, Dollar Hills etc. I already see work in progress for a bypass rd to KG village connecting DPS rd to Lanco Hills/Manikonda new road.

p.raghavendra6

October 27th, 2006, 08:25 AM

LB Nagar roundabout: Upgrade it to a free-flow interchange, preferrably a whirlpool (http://cbrd.co.uk/reference/interchanges/whirlpool.shtml) interchange.
I wonder if this is possible. coz, there are buildings all around this juction.

But for now, This junction is undergoing renovation. Previously there used to be a mammoth sized island at this junction. Now , most of this has been stripped off allowing free movement of vehicles.

But the worst thing about this junction is that , till now there are no traffic signals and high mast lighting at this junction. :(

and a slight correction..
23 Moosarambagh - Kuntloor road Moosarambagh Kuntloor 7.00
It's is Mansurabad and not Moosarambagh.

Naga_Solidus

October 28th, 2006, 11:21 AM

arijeetb

October 28th, 2006, 11:41 AM

I just went through the LB Nagar Roundabout and it does, in fact, have stoplights...at a roundabout.

If space is that much of an issue (remember, people used to say there was no room in Begumpet...until they widened SP Road to 12 lanes), they can use a shoddy but curcumstancially-dictated solution: the 3-level roundabout (http://www.cbrd.co.uk/reference/interchanges/3round.shtml). It may not be very pleasant if your intent is to turn (you will most likely get forced through a stop-controlled roundabout), but if you don't intend to turn, at least you won't have to mingle with those of us who wish to turn. For 2-lane flyovers in each dorection (one on top of the other), the required widening shall be quite minimal. The frontage roads I've suggested for both NH9 and the IRR shall also converge on the roundabout, and the two flyovers shall have dedicated left-turn ramps towards each-other (the roundabout on the bottom should also get dedicated left-turns...assuming there is enough space after the minimal widening required).

12 lanes is only for a distance of less than 1/2 km from the start of the begumpet flyover till the IOC gas station - opposite pantaloon. There is no clear demarcation on any of the 6 lanes and people move left, right and center adding to chaos. Addtionally there are some very dangerous potholes. The one km stretch ( till lifestyle) can take upto 20 minutes during peak hours>(

Not sure if greenlands flyover is the solution to the daily chaos in the area. May be if they extended Airport flyover for another 1 km it could have been better.

the news about the proposed BRTS along SP road should provide a long term solution.

Naga_Solidus

October 28th, 2006, 12:23 PM

1/2 km is better than 0km...though truth to be told, the fact that SP Road shrinks to 6 lanes as it goes by a bunch of clothing stores is not good from a traffic psychology point of view. On the other hand, SP Road goes up to 10 lanes as it goes to Secundrabad railway station (throuhg a highly built-up area), so it's probably quite feasable to make all of SP Road 12 lanes to the airport. It is also important to add center dividers to the airport and paradise flyovers (to prevent head-on collisions). These same flyovers may have to be widened a little as well (their outer lanes can't accomodate cars, and this same problem plagues most of Hyd's flyovers except the Khairatabad, Secretariat (which lacks a center divider), Begumpet, Sanathnagar (6 lanes, the only one in town), and Patni Circle flyovers.

Grade seperation of the IRR and the primary ORR radial feeders is as important to better traffic conditions in Hyd as the ORR itself, and the ORR isn't going to do it's job unless its feeder links are top-notch.

p.raghavendra6

October 28th, 2006, 10:26 PM

They can use a shoddy but curcumstancially-dictated solution: the 3-level roundabout (http://www.cbrd.co.uk/reference/interchanges/3round.shtml). It may not be very pleasant if your intent is to turn (you will most likely get forced through a stop-controlled roundabout), but if you don't intend to turn, at least you won't have to mingle with those of us who wish to turn. For 2-lane flyovers in each dorection (one on top of the other), the required widening shall be quite minimal. The frontage roads I've suggested for both NH9 and the IRR shall also converge on the roundabout, and the two flyovers shall have dedicated left-turn ramps towards each-other (the roundabout on the bottom should also get dedicated left-turns...assuming there is enough space after the minimal widening required).
^^ This idea is very much viable.
Let's hope that our 'babus' too work out on something like this. :)

Babji

October 28th, 2006, 10:33 PM

Cabinet to discuss ORR on Nov 14
Saturday October 28 2006 10:20 IST Newindpress
HYDERABAD: The Outer Ring Road (ORR) issue is slated for discussion at a Cabinet meeting here on November 14.

A Cabinet sub-committee comprising K Rosaiah, Dharmana Prasada Rao and Sabita Indra Reddy, which was constituted to finalise the relief package to the oustees, met Chief Minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy and conveyed its views. However, no decision was taken on the compensation to be paid to the oustees.

Sources said that it had been decided to let the Cabinet finalise the quantum of compensation to be paid to the persons who lost their lands due to the project.

kaushik

October 31st, 2006, 12:51 AM

Court seeks PCB report on ORR

http://www.hindu.com/2006/10/31/stories/2006103115780500.htm

A Division Bench of the High Court on Monday asked the Andhra Pradesh Pollution Control Board (APPCB) to submit a report regarding allegations that Outer Ring Road (ORR) works were being taken up within 500 metres of green belt/no development zone near the bund of Himayathsagar lake

kaushik

October 31st, 2006, 12:55 AM

Rs 10,000 cr in ORR deals

http://www.deccan.com/home/homedetails.asp#Rs%2010,000%20cr%20in%20ORR%20deals

Top politicians, film stars and NRIs spent Rs 10,000 crore in the last three years to buy up land in 83 villages which fall in the alignment of the Outer Ring Road. The investment on lands in Ranga Reddy district which encircles the State capital during this period amounts to a mind-boggling Rs 60,000 crore.

Much of the land has been purchased from January 2004, when ORR was conceptualised, to October 2006. During this period, about 50,000 acres in villages by the ORR were sold and resold. In all, there were about one lakh transactions. Of these 50,000 acres, transactions pertaining to 269 acres came under the scrutiny of High Court and Central Bureau of Investigation, following an outcry by the opposition Telugu Desam.

The TD had alleged that Congress leaders and bureaucrats deliberately changed the alignment of the ORR to increase the value of the lands they bought. Inquiries by this correspondent revealed that the average sale price of each acre in these villages was around Rs 20 lakh. The price skyrocketed to Rs 40 lakh and even Rs 5 crore per acre in some villages after the ORR was proposed. The highest price was Rs 14 crore per acre in Kokapet.

“At least 10 influential politicians invested in the land,” said a senior official of the stamps and registration department. “Besides politicians, film actors, builders, software professionals and investors from North also purchased lands.” The department has realised revenue of Rs 2,000 crore from transactions in Ranga Reddy district in the last three years. This is 10 per cent of the total worth of properties sold at the market value fixed by the government.

However, it is estimated that the real value of land transactions would be at least three times the market rate and would be around Rs 60,000 crore. The largest number of transactions — 6,372 — took place in Shamshabad, obviously because of the proximity to the international airport. In Kokapet, 834 transactions took place for 546 acres, in Narsingi 1,918 transactions for 400 acres and Mankhal 1,430 transactions for 2,263 acres.
Getting wind of the huge transactions, the Income Tax Department had launched a special drive. “We have been gathering information on any transaction above Rs 5 lakh,” said Chief Income Tax Commissioner D.V. Dharmik. Interestingly, officials are a bit disappointed that the opposition was making noise only about a small part of the transactions.

“A big hue and cry was made over change in the ORR alignment in Kollur where 1,509 transactions took place pertaining to 2,051 acres,” said an official. “But the opposition is crying hoarse only about 25 acres"

Naga_Solidus

October 31st, 2006, 03:48 AM

So what if they bought land in those villages? It's not a problem if they bought land form various developers. Moreover, those same developers most likely bought said land through legal means. It is not illegal for a piece of land to change hands several times as its value increases. This ORR controversy is due to a misjudged suspicion of capitalism and is a relic of the old Nehruvian system combined with Gandhi's unsustainable and unappealing ideas regardinng "development" after independence.

Babji

October 31st, 2006, 04:02 AM

Babji

October 31st, 2006, 04:43 AM

Growth Corridor put on hold
[ 31 Oct, 2006 0205hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

HYDERABAD: With the Outer Ring Road (ORR) project running into controversies, the government has reportedly put the Growth Corridor project on hold.

Real estate boom in the city happened only after Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (Huda) announced the Growth Corridor project, a 1-km development zone on both sides of the ORR.

Taking prospects along the 162-km ORR into consideration, Huda has decided to prepare a comprehensive development plan by framing special development regulation for areas falling under the one-km belt. It is likely to cover 80,000 acres of land in 113 villages. This belt will partly cover areas of notified master plan of one municipal area, zonal development plan for Shambhupur zone, Medchal zone, Yamjal zone, Keesara zone, Poppalguda zone, Ramchandrapuram zone and part of the Hyderabad Airport Development Authority area.

Under the provisions of the Andhra Pradesh Urban Areas (Development) Act, 1975, public objections and suggestions to the comprehensive plan and special development regulations were invited. Huda received objections and suggestions from some 300 individuals and organisations and submitted them to the government for its early approval.

As per the proposed regulations for construction activities, individual plots should be at least 1,200 sq mts (1,450 sq yards) and residential layouts of 15 acres. With the Growth Corridor getting wide publicity, many small plot owners sold their land at throwaway prices to realtors.

After the ORR ran into controversies, the government is reportedly going slow on the Growth Corridor project, sources said.

The Growth Corridor file has been cleared by the municipal administration and urban development and finance departments, but has been referred to legal experts. "Huda has done its bit. As soon as the government approves it, we will implement it," Huda vice-chairman Jayesh Ranjan told TOI.

Naga_Solidus

October 31st, 2006, 05:25 AM

Does this mean the ORR is on hold as well, or is it just the paralell development scheme?

Babji

November 1st, 2006, 01:31 AM

http://www.deccan.com/City/CityNews.asp
ORR chief promises HC not to build near lake

Hyderabad Oct. 31: The Andhra Pradesh High Court on Tuesday recorded the undertaking of the Outer Ring Road (ORR) project director that there would be no construction within 500-metre radius of Himayatsagar. A division bench of the AP High Court was dealing with a public interest litigation petition filed by Dr S. Jeevananada Reddy complaining that ORR work was being carried out within 300-metre radius of the lake. The Pollution Control Board on Tuesday informed the court that no construction activity was taken up up to 1,400 metres of the lake as mandated by the Central environment ministry.

The bench on Monday had directed the PCB environmental engineer to submit a report after visiting the site near Himayatsagar. The bench pointed out that at the time of grant of the no-objection certificate by the PCB, the 1,400-metre limit was not prescribed and it was mentioned that 500 metres would be left for green belt for the lake. The bench adjourned the matter to November 8 and directed Huda and other respondents to file their counter by November 6.

Babji

November 1st, 2006, 01:40 AM

Does this mean the ORR is on hold as well, or is it just the paralell development scheme?

I think they are talking about the other GoAP/APIIC sponsored projects which need more land to be aquired - The cabinet is scheduled to discuss the bill related to compensation for land aquisitions on Nov 14th.

Once they pass the bill at the cabinet, things would be back to normal.
ORR Phase-I is not effected.

Babji

November 1st, 2006, 03:20 AM

http://www.cyberabadtimes.net/2006/11/growth-corridor-project-on-hold.asp
Wednesday, November 01, 2006
Growth Corridor project on hold

With the Outer Ring Road (ORR) project running into controversies, the government has reportedly put the Growth Corridor project on hold.

Real estate boom in the city happened only after Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (Huda) announced the Growth Corridor project, a 1-km development zone on both sides of the ORR.

Taking prospects along the 162 km ORR into consideration, Huda has decided to prepare a comprehensive development plan by framing special development regulation for areas falling under the one-km belt. It is likely to cover 80,000 acres of land in 113 villages. This belt will partly cover areas of notified master plan of one municipal area, zonal development plan for Shambhupur zone, Medchal zone, Yamjal zone, Keesara zone, Poppalguda zone, Ramchandrapuram zone and part of the Hyderabad Airport Development Authority area.

Under the provisions of the Andhra Pradesh Urban Areas (Development) Act, 1975, public objections and suggestions to the comprehensive plan and special development regulations were invited. Huda received objections and suggestions from some 300 individuals and organisations and submitted them to the government for its early approval. As per the proposed regulations for construction activities, individual plots should be at least 1,200 sq mts (1,450 sq yards) and residential layouts of 15 acres.

With the Growth Corridor getting wide publicity, many small plot owners sold their land at throwaway prices to realtors. After the ORR ran into controversies, the government is reportedly going slow on the Growth Corridor project, sources said.

The Growth Corridor file has been cleared by the municipal administration and urban development and finance departments, but has been referred to legal experts. "Huda has done its bit. As soon as the government approves it, we will implement it," Huda vice-chairman Jayesh Ranjan told TOI.

A Division Bench of the High Court on Monday asked the Andhra Pradesh Pollution Control Board (APPCB) to submit a report regarding allegations that Outer Ring Road (ORR) works were being taken up within 500 metres of green belt/no development zone near the bund of Himayathsagar lake.
Source: The Times of India , The Hindu
ORR Phase I is not effected.