Hey guys, since on the night of December 21-21, schengen is being expanded, I thought I would start a new thread. Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Malta are goining the program, this means that driving, taking a train within the schengen member states, one will not have to show documents crossing the border. For example, driving from Poland to Czech Rep. or Czezh Rep to Germany, you will jsut see a sign saying 'Welcome to Poland' or 'Welcome to the Czech Republic'. Schengen will be introduced at airports in the 9 nations in March of 2008. :cheers: What are your thoughts about this? It is a shame that Romania and Bulgaria are not joining just yet, however it will happen within the next few years :cheers:

^^ Well, we should join soon I hope :)

It's harder for us cause we're the outer border of the EU, you lucky people :)

Cheers for that good job :) I hope we''ll soon join you too :)

I don't give a hoot. Holding an American passport Shchengen and non-Schengen can kiss my ass.

Well, if you look at it like that. LOL Hey, I hold a Canadian passport but when I travel around Europe, it is much easier to travel with my Polish passport, which I always use. It will be like one nation, the borders will open completely and it will benefit all nations....making business, travel much easier and time-efficient. I hope Ukraine will join the EU as well and one day will enter Schengen as well. :) To you, schengen may not mean a lot, but to citizens of the EU it does and it is considered by us (in my case, Poland) a big step foreward. Just like joining the EU was.
Now it is Canada and the US that need to make access for new EU state citizens visa-free. This has already occured partially and within the next year or so, all citizens of the 2005 expansion nations will be able to enter the US and Canada with no visa.

For Ukrainians Schenghen will be great, althought they will have to pay something around 60 euros for it. Our illegal alcohol and ciggarette industry will continue to flourish across the Polish border though :D

Congrats to all polish and czechs etc. ! :cheers:

We will join soon maybe some 5-6 years later who knows ;) I am happy even now when I am processed rapidly at each border on the bureau with the blue flag and the stars above it ;)

It would make no difference for people who travel by plane though ... its more the businesses that will benefit ...

but within schengen zone there is no particular controls in airports too

Of course there are. Did you ever see any Schengen only terminals or even exits?! I may be wrong but I have never seen one. I've only seen EU and non EU ... so they will still have to go through EU only ...

Of course there are. Did you ever see any Schengen only terminals or even exits?! I may be wrong but I have never seen one. I've only seen EU and non EU ... so they will still have to go through EU only ...

of course, we had to rebuild our terminals especially for this purpose. there are EU and non EU, and Schengen - non Schengen

Yeh? So where is the difference if I and you board a plane from Germany to Austria ? None … You still need your ID in your pocket ... and still need to show it at the passport control office. You can not have Schengen only planes ... so people could be form any country in the world; therefore you still need to check their IDs on arrival – when they get off the plane …

i've heard that the new warsaw airport terminal is adjusted to non passport control which is normal in schengen countries and i think that in this termianal will be serviced only passengers who arrived from schengen countries of are going to go to schengen coutries
but i'm not sure :)

But you still need ID - and will still need to be shown before boarding and on arrival - Schengen only or EU only ... so where is the difference other than using separate terminal/exits ?!

Yeh? So where is the difference if I and you board a plane from Germany to Austria ? None … You still need your ID in your pocket ... and still need to show it at the passport control office. You can not have Schengen only planes ... so people could be form any country in the world; therefore you still need to check their IDs on arrival – when they get off the plane …
if the plane leaves from German to Austria, the plane is rerouted to those terminals or part of terminal where there is no passport control, so u can just leave airport without control. And there is difference in tags for luggage from Schengen countries and for non-Schengen countries. The first on is green.
http://www.bologna-airport.it/System/2402/etichetta_1.jpg

You do not get it do you ?!? When you board the plane you need to show your ID (as for all EU nationals) and when you get off the plane you need to show it again. Do not assume that all passengers in a plane are from Schengen countries. Even if they were, they still have to prove it before boarding …

It’s the same at road borders (though just a bit different) … If a Romanian wants to pass through Poland to Germany by car, he/she will not show any IDs at the German border - coz there will be no border :nuts::lol: . So where is the difference ?! - the only one is that they need to show the ID on the first Schengen border ... that’s it

Yeh? So where is the difference if I and you board a plane from Germany to Austria ? None … You still need your ID in your pocket ... and still need to show it at the passport control office. You can not have Schengen only planes ... so people could be form any country in the world; therefore you still need to check their IDs on arrival – when they get off the plane …


I don't exactly how it works but I know we had redone our airports for Schengen and non-Schengen citizens, only recently in Krakow a new area was opened with 15 posts only for Schengen citizens, it was one of many conditions we had to fulfil, the most important introducing SIS (Schengen Information System) and strengthen our borders with Ukraine, Belarus and Russia.

Flying in Schengen zone the whole point is you will not have to show ID. Only at check in you have to show ID but that has to do with the airline.

You do not get it do you ?!? When you board the plane you need to show your ID (as for all EU nationals) and when you get off the plane you need to show it again. Do not assume that all passengers in a plane are from Schengen countries. Even if they were, they still have to prove it before boarding …

It’s the same at road borders (though just a bit different) … If a Romanian wants to pass through Poland to Germany by car, he/she will not show any IDs at the German border - coz there will be no border :nuts::lol: . So where is the difference ?! - the only one is that they need to show the ID on the first Schengen border ... that’s it


you will have to show your ID before entering Schengen countries, since 21 DEC I dont need any single ID going to Germany because there is no border anymore :)

^^ Sorry … did you say smth that I did not?

You do not get it do you ?!? When you board the plane you need to show your ID (as for all EU nationals) and when you get off the plane you need to show it again. Do not assume that all passengers in a plane are from Schengen countries. Even if they were, they still have to prove it before boarding …

It’s the same at road borders (though just a bit different) … If a Romanian wants to pass through Poland to Germany by car, he/she will not show any IDs at the German border - coz there will be no border :nuts::lol: . So where is the difference ?! - the only one is that they need to show the ID on the first Schengen border ... that’s it

Flying in Schengen zone the whole point is you will not have to show ID. Only at check in you have to show ID but that has to do with the airline.

you will have to ... coz you may have different nationalities on the same plane ...

Let’s be serious: the plane will have two (or three) stops?! :nuts: :lol: Most likely two exists; or more – Schengen, EU Only and Non EU … but again: no difference: ID will have to be shown in both (more) cases

So my question again: what's the difference between Schengen and EU passangers?! NONE

again on the plane flying inside the Schengen zone no passengers will have to show any ID upon leaving or entering the two countries inside Schengen :)

You do not get it do you ?!? When you board the plane you need to show your ID (as for all EU nationals) and when you get off the plane you need to show it again. Do not assume that all passengers in a plane are from Schengen countries. Even if they were, they still have to prove it before boarding …

It’s the same at road borders (though just a bit different) … If a Romanian wants to pass through Poland to Germany by car, he/she will not show any IDs at the German border - coz there will be no border :nuts::lol: . So where is the difference ?! - the only one is that they need to show the ID on the first Schengen border ... that’s it
You obviously don´t understand how Schenegen works. IT doesn´t depend on nationalities of the passangers, but on the locations A and B. So if A and B are both in Schengen country you will not have to show your ID. It is same like going from NL to BL by car there are no controls.

Damn, I am going to poland on nov the 21st...now i have to get a viza...

where are you from??

You obviously don´t understand how Schenegen works. IT doesn´t depend on nationalities of the passangers, but on the locations A and B. So if A and B are both in Schengen country you will not have to show your ID. It is same like going from NL to BL by car there are no controls.
nebunul,
Let the communists explain what Schenegen is! :lol:

nebunul,
Let the communists explain what Schenegen is! :lol:
communist?! u r weirdo aren´t you?!
there is the difference in using brain and being herd, which u obviously don´t understand being latter

communist?! u r weirdo aren´t you?!
there is the difference in using brain and being herd, which u obviously don´t understand being latter

BL,

sit tight buddy!

OK than..2 weeks ago i was in France and than i went to Germany..And there was a passport control on the airport..So please explain me how this fact prove your theory?

communist?! u r weirdo aren´t you?!
there is the difference in using brain and being herd, which u obviously don´t understand being latter
Oh, I'm sorry! Did you change your name to a socialist because it sounds better than a murderous communist! You are a socialist now with the Norwegian flag and Balkan roots........

where are you from??

THAAANK YOU FOR ASKING THIS QUESTION! Becaaaause....guess what city in poland I am travelling to, and still looking for advice for some decent locations to go out, eat, drink and dance? ;) Was just about to open a thread but i hope i can ask you here anyways.

In case you still haven't gotten it.... i'm talking about krakow. :D So i would appreciate any help on what bars are the best in town, what clubs/discos are good, how to get there and all infos a tourist could need about it, since it is the first time for me to travel to poland and i want to make the best out of it :)

PS
I am from Germany, but by nationality i am Serb.

PPS
If you give me links than please only to show me sth. better or for clarification but please no "here look for yourself" links, cause i already tried that but its hard to tell which place is good just from the internet...so i would need some recommendation :)

Big thanks in advance :cheers:

What's so bad about socialism? France and Spain are very socialistic IMO...and Greece too, to some extent.

What's so bad about socialism? France and Spain are very socialistic IMO...and Greece too, to some extent.
Well, our "socialists" used to be communists! That is the "bad" thing about them. They are not really socialists. They are communists turned into socialists for better PR.
The European socialists have nothing to do with communism!

Most EE-socialists are corrupt idiots. They are the defenders of oligarchism, corruption and everything like that. That's true.

OK than..2 weeks ago i was in France and than i went to Germany..And there was a passport control on the airport..So please explain me how this fact prove your theory?
coz u r special, i have traveled all over Schengen and was never asked passport.
Sometimes could happen that there are controls on the land borders as well but that is exception not the rule.

Oh, I'm sorry! Did you change your name to a socialist because it sounds better than a murderous communist! You are a socialist now with the Norwegian flag and Balkan roots........
it is more than clear that u have some issues (complex) regarding communism and socialism but it is understandable if i see where do u live and...

^^ Have you ever seen communism in action?

I know your country had a recent war and some genocide issues too...it's like you complaining about that and then I tell you you have some weird war and genocide complexes. It's as simple as that.

OK Nebunul, let me give u an example. I have a Canadian passport, traveling from Canada to Poland or any other Schengen nation, once I arrive in Warsaw, I need to show my passport at the passport control since I am arriving in a schengen nation. If I carry my Polish passport, I need to show it to passport control as well in Warsaw. Once in Poland, when I travel by plane, car, train etc, WITHIN the schengen border, I do not need to show my passport because I already entered the schengen zone. Its like flying into the states, showing your passport in Chicago, and then flying around the states and not having to show my passport. NOTE:Passports are usually used at the check in counter for identity varification, however, there is no PAssport control and no boarder guard looks at your documents.
Once I am in Poland, flying from Canada or wherever outside of the schengen area, no matter what passport I carry, I am IN and dont need to be controlled crossing the border to Germany, Czech Rep. SLovakia, France etc. The ONLY acception is England and Ireland!!!!!!!!!! They are part of schengen, however those members require passport control by border guards.
So to make a long story short, no, you dont need a document to travel within schengen, with the exception of England and Ireland. It is ADVISED to carry a document though in case it is required, whether it is due to injury, crime or whatever.

PS MAreCar, enjoy Krakow, you will love it. When I was there last summer, I found many awesome clubs and bars, however I strongly reccomand PROZAK. It is a shisha bar on weekdays and on weekends they have amazing parties.

The ONLY acception is England and Ireland!!!!!!!!!! They are part of schengen, however those members require passport control by border guards.
The UK and Ireland are not parties to the Schengen Agreement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement#UK_and_Ireland).
The United Kingdom and Ireland are the only two EU members to not have signed the Schengen Agreement: both have an opt-out from the agreement. The two countries share a Common Travel Area with no border controls. Ireland is thus unable to join the agreement without dissolving this agreement with the UK, and thus incurring border controls at its land border with Northern Ireland. However, the UK remains reluctant to surrender its own border controls and work permit system. Therefore, UK and Ireland are signatories of the Council Decision covering police co-operation, but not of the Council Regulations covering asylum, visas and border controls.

The reluctance of the UK government to join the agreement has been criticised by some, such as the House of Lords, for, seemingly paradoxically, hampering the fight against cross-border crime. This is due to the inability of the UK to access the Schengen Information System, which contains data, among else, on undesirable persons.

OK, thank you for correcting me, I thought they were part of it, but under different circumstances. My mistake.

No, they indeed are EU members, but not shengen members...just like sweden ( think its sweden) is not EU member but shengen member... ;) Different pair of shoes...

^^ Have you ever seen communism in action?

I know your country had a recent war and some genocide issues too...it's like you complaining about that and then I tell you you have some weird war and genocide complexes. It's as simple as that.
your country mate is talking about communism not i. He is putting me words in my mouth.
The communism in Bulgaria, the socialistic system in ex-YU, today´s system in Belarus are totally different systems, and your country m8 is equalizing them all.

No, they indeed are EU members, but not shengen members...just like sweden ( think its sweden) is not EU member but shengen member... ;) Different pair of shoes...
you mean Norway, Sweden is both Schengen and EU country, only they are not in €-Zone

In case you still haven't gotten it.... i'm talking about krakow. :D So i would appreciate any help on what bars are the best in town, what clubs/discos are good, how to get there and all infos a tourist could need about it, since it is the first time for me to travel to poland and i want to make the best out of it :)

PS
I am from Germany, but by nationality i am Serb.


I am assuming you are flying in so after you go through airport border control just take a connecting shuttle bus which will drop you off at an adjacent small train station (airport train station). You can then board a train that goes directly to the central station (you can buy train ticket from a conductor directly). Central train station is linked with a giant shopping mall, so once you exit the mall just follow the people to the old town. It's maybe a 5 minute walk.

There are hundreds of bars, lots of them underground in cellars. I personally like the area called Kazimierz which is a 10 minute walk from the old town center. It's lined up with tons of great bars, more of a local scene. There is one bar in particular I like called Alchemia.

Anyway for more info on bars/pubs/clubs/things to do check out www.cracow-life.com . Enjoy Krakow.

it is more than clear that u have some issues (complex) regarding communism and socialism but it is understandable if i see where do u live and...
I think we need some English lessons here because I can not understand what you are saying......
Are you asking me if I have a complex from the communism? I'm not sure what that means! But if you are trying to tell us that you are a communist, you better run far aways because communists are not respected around here.....

just like sweden ( think its sweden) is not EU member but shengen member... ;)
Uh, what? Sweden is not EU member???

In Krakow go to Frantic on szewska street which right next to the Market square.
In Kazimierz visit Alchemia which is a good watering/beer hole also the cellar bar at florianska street is cool. Also Kitsch is huge and if you like new euphoria than its the place to be although sometimes there is lots of gays there But Frantic is top notch best parties in Krakow.

Political analyst Jedrzej Bielecki from the Dziennik daily argues that a new divide in Europe may surface due to Schengen expansion.

“I think that there are huge risks that from the 21st of December a lot of Ukranians, Russians and Belarusians will not be able to enter Poland.
There are hundreds of people coming each year to work as cleaners, babysitters and construction workers but, now conditions to give them visas will be much more difficult. First of all the visas will be quite expensive. For Belarusians they will cost about 60 euros which is at least one third of the average salary of that country. They will have to prove that they will come back. They will have to comply with requirements established by Brussels and not here in Warsaw.”

In many cases crossing into neighboring Ukraine from Poland ‘s eastern flank has taken travelers as long as 14 hours. There is a danger that when Poland joins the Schengen zone queues will be even longer than they are now.


http://www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/gb/dokument.aspx?iid=68857

I'm just wondering - is it possible to have Euro 2012 bid together.

Uh, what? Sweden is not EU member???
believe it or not since 12 years it is

believe it or not since 12 years

WTF? Sweden is in the EU :nuts:

http://www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/gb/dokument.aspx?iid=68857

I'm just wondering - is it possible to have Euro 2012 bid together.

No, the visa regime between Poland and Ukraine will definetely kill our chances at hosting Euro 2012.

I am assuming you are flying in so after you go through airport border control just take a connecting shuttle bus which will drop you off at an adjacent small train station (airport train station). You can then board a train that goes directly to the central station (you can buy train ticket from a conductor directly). Central train station is linked with a giant shopping mall, so once you exit the mall just follow the people to the old town. It's maybe a 5 minute walk.

Actually I'm going by bus... it's some sort of Class trip from my college.

There are hundreds of bars, lots of them underground in cellars. I personally like the area called Kazimierz which is a 10 minute walk from the old town center. It's lined up with tons of great bars, more of a local scene.

That's why I need help and special recommendations :)

There is one bar in particular I like called Alchemia.

Anyway for more info on bars/pubs/clubs/things to do check out www.cracow-life.com . Enjoy Krakow.

Thanks, where is that bar located?

Yeah, i know that site...this falls under the specifications in PPS :)

Uh, what? Sweden is not EU member???

I said i "think" its Sweden, its obvious that i was too lazy to check out if the country in question its sweden or norway :lol:

In Krakow go to Frantic on szewska street which right next to the Market square.
In Kazimierz visit Alchemia which is a good watering/beer hole also the cellar bar at florianska street is cool. Also Kitsch is huge and if you like new euphoria than its the place to be although sometimes there is lots of gays there But Frantic is top notch best parties in Krakow.

Thanks... is this Frantic located in the city centre? What kind of music do they play?
Any clubs with Black/House music?

Kazimierz is a district in the town, not an other town, am i right?

Also looking for some cool fancy style (maybe cocktail serving) kind of bars... Thanks man! Appreciate you help :)

When you get there just get a map of the city. It will much easier to navigate the streets as they are narrow in many places and can get confusing for a first time visitor.
Kazimierz is a district in Krakow but is about a 10 minute walk from the central market square.

Here is the site for Alchemia in English. It is located on Plac Nowy.

http://www.alchemia.com.pl/eng/index.html

believe it or not since 12 years it is
Do you understand the meaning of the question mark?

Do you understand the meaning of the question mark?

Punctuation is not BL's greatest strength.

And, Delyan, you are Bulgarian, i.e. you were born in third world country, while BL was born in the glorious ex-Yu. You have to factor that in before you start arguing with him.

^^ :lol:

Punctuation is not BL's greatest strength.

And, Delyan, you are Bulgarian, i.e. you were born in third world country, while BL was born in the glorious ex-Yu. You have to factor that in before you start arguing with him.

I like ex-Yugoslavia and the countries after the break up, but something clicked in me when he started glorifying Belarus.
How do you say it in English when somebody drowns and tries to grab anything that floats on the surface?

When you get there just get a map of the city. It will much easier to navigate the streets as they are narrow in many places and can get confusing for a first time visitor.
Kazimierz is a district in Krakow but is about a 10 minute walk from the central market square.

Here is the site for Alchemia in English. It is located on Plac Nowy.

http://www.alchemia.com.pl/eng/index.html

And are there some more like fancy stylish new york like cocktail bars...? Such like with stylish interior and more light and stuff...? I mean i'm fine with the atmosphere at the bar and all since i know all that from serbia, but it'll be hard to impress and fullfil the wishes of the spoilt germans who are going with me... ;) And since i am the only one out of 50 who is interested in other citys and urbanism (thats why im a member here) i am the only one who could find the best locations in advance before we go, so we dont need to stray around the city like morons and look for a decent place but could have the best time without wasting any of it :)

So please, hit me with the best locations, something you would like everybody to see to be impressed by krakows nightlife. And we're more into partying than culture, jazz or stuff... :lol::cheers:

You Bulgarian on this forum are something special. Is there anything interesting in this forum except me? Coz u really can not stop wrtiing about me. What´s up with you guys?! (rhetorical question)

And are there some more like fancy stylish new york like cocktail bars...? Such like with stylish interior and more light and stuff...? I mean i'm fine with the atmosphere at the bar and all since i know all that from serbia, but it'll be hard to impress and fullfil the wishes of the spoilt germans who are going with me... ;) And since i am the only one out of 50 who is interested in other citys and urbanism (thats why im a member here) i am the only one who could find the best locations in advance before we go, so we dont need to stray around the city like morons and look for a decent place but could have the best time without wasting any of it :)

So please, hit me with the best locations, something you would like everybody to see to be impressed by krakows nightlife. And we're more into partying than culture, jazz or stuff... :lol::cheers:


There are hundreds of pubs/clubs/bars all around the old town. Everywhere you go it will be fine. Check out the site I suggested and read what people had to say about different venues. Word of mouth is the best advice here. I have a pub in my tenament house downstairs so I hardly ever go out anyway :) I am too lazy I guess.

You Bulgarian on this forum are something special. Is there anything interesting in this forum except me? Coz u really can not stop wrtiing about me. What´s up with you guys?! (rhetorical question)

Have you asked yourself why you are so unpopular among the Bulgarians? (rhetorical question).

Have you asked yourself why you are so unpopular among the Bulgarians? (rhetorical question).
I know that you guys just can not stand diversity. Is there anyone popular among forum Bulgarians? (rhetorical question)
i emphasize this forum Bulgarians coz in person i have met many great, interesting, funny, nice...etc Bulgarians, but on this forum :ohno:

^^ Didn't you get banned some time ago or it was another user "BL"? Speaking about that forum, I bet B.L. is the place where a large percentage of banned users come from and this is er...interesting. Speaking about nations (hm) I think Serbs have the largest number of banned users, even the Albanians can't catch up with you guys :) I guess that's due to some clever satanic plot by the Bulgarian xenophobes on the SSC :)

Facts speak for themselves, don't they? :)

... I guess that's due to some clever satanic plot by the Bulgarian xenophobes on the SSC :)

You are bloody hell right! :lol::lol::lol:

forget it...

There are hundreds of pubs/clubs/bars all around the old town. Everywhere you go it will be fine. Check out the site I suggested and read what people had to say about different venues. Word of mouth is the best advice here. I have a pub in my tenament house downstairs so I hardly ever go out anyway :) I am too lazy I guess.

That's why i thought asking you original poles here for some personal experience would be better than going blind just by judging the site, and maybe missing another way better location... i very strong believe in word of mouth ;)

GO TO FRANTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats. :)

A bit off topic …

Ukraine introduces visa-free regime with Bulgaria and Romania – Yatseniuk
http://unian.net/eng/news/news-222770.html

Ukraine introduces a visa-free regime with Bulgaria and Romania since the moment when the agreement on facilitating the visa registration procedure for Ukrainians, which was signed between Ukraine and EU in Luxembourg on 18 June, 2007, comes into force.
According to an UNIAN correspondent, Foreign Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatseniuk claimed this to journalists in the Cabinet of Ministers today.
“After the Ukraine-EU Summit, the question of giving visa-free regime to Romania and Bulgaria was raised. The stance of Ukraine was declared clearly: we give the visa-free regime to Romania and Bulgaria simultaneously with coming into force of the agreement on facilitated visa regime for Ukrainians. This decision was adopted by the government of Ukraine today”, A.Yatseniuk stressed.
The Minister specified that the rules of entrance and departure for foreigners at the Ukrainian territory are regulated with a respective order of the government. “It is not necessary to adopt a special law to introduce the visa-free regime”, he said.

Oh, the joy.:)

Oh, the joy.:)

Why? I know a lot of people in Ukraine are super pissed.

I was being sarcastic. First, these visa-free regime is a bit late I think, but better latern than never I guess. Second, I see it more as a political stunt. I don't know about Bulgarians, but I don't think many Romanians are eager to visit Ukraine (I'm sure not many Ukrainians want to visit Romania either).

Of course, I may be wrong. Please don't take my statement as an anti-Ukrainian rant or something as that'd be far from me.:) I guess this too is an improvement in the relation between our countries...

No, I agree. And in any case this would make it easy for Romanians to enter Ukraine, not for Ukrainians to enter Romania.

Why? I know a lot of people in Ukraine are super pissed.

super pissed about what?!

Does anyone knows when BG and RO are entering Schengen?I'd like to be in the next 2-3 years because i travel very often to Austria ,Slovenia and the Czech Republic:)

First and foremost, I wish to welcome you to SSC, bgplayer19!:cheer:

I know the planned implementation is for 2011.

Yeah and visit the Roll call thread :D

GO TO FRANTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahhaa, returned yesterday and havent read your advise, but i asked some chicks on the street and f*uck, i was there and it was great :cheers:

Everybody visiting krakow should go to frantic!

Almost kicked some morons ass, dont know why so many guys there were frontin' :nuts:

How did u like Krakow MareCar?
What are your thoughts about the city?

It's easy to understand.

Flying with Schenghen:

You need just to show your ID card for safety reasons to the airline company, not to the police or custom. Even if you are a non-UE national (you show your passport). There is no difference between taking an internal Milano - Rome flight and a Milano - Warsaw flight. Flights between Schenghen countries are like national flights.

Flying without Schenghen:

You need to pass a Passport control. The difference between an EU-national and a non-EU national is that european citizens can pass this control with their ID national card (I don't know if it works for all the countries in the EU; but for instance if I take a plane between Paris and Manchester, I just need to show my ID card, no need of passport).

How did u like Krakow MareCar?
What are your thoughts about the city?

Pretty cool, the city centre is beautiful, the clubs and stores are cool. I liked the big shopping mall with a thousand different stores... Polish food is kinda mhm, i think they lack fast- and takeaway food, you always have to sit down and order from the menu, but the beetroot soup is great. It was odd to see all those Döner Kebab shops, only know that from germany.
From the standard, Poland looked almost exactly like Serbia, though I expected whole poland to look much better since they are in Eu and stuff, but tells me we are not that bad :)
Older people were rather unfriendly, younger people were very helpful and cool. Overall English was below international standard and i had to communicate by spicing Serbian up with Polish sh's and szczc's so anybody would understand me :nuts: But all in all it was a great trip, done a hell lot of partying. :cheers: Nice city, maybe Ill make it to warsawa one day.:)

First and foremost, I wish to welcome you to SSC, bgplayer19!:cheer:

I know the planned implementation is for 2011.

thank you very much :)!I knew we were going to enter Schengen somewhere in the 2010 but i wasn't sure when :D

Pretty cool, the city centre is beautiful, the clubs and stores are cool. I liked the big shopping mall with a thousand different stores... Polish food is kinda mhm, i think they lack fast- and takeaway food, you always have to sit down and order from the menu, but the beetroot soup is great. It was odd to see all those Döner Kebab shops, only know that from germany.
From the standard, Poland looked almost exactly like Serbia, though I expected whole poland to look much better since they are in Eu and stuff, but tells me we are not that bad :)
Older people were rather unfriendly, younger people were very helpful and cool. Overall English was below international standard and i had to communicate by spicing Serbian up with Polish sh's and szczc's so anybody would understand me :nuts: But all in all it was a great trip, done a hell lot of partying. :cheers: Nice city, maybe Ill make it to warsawa one day.:)

I disagree with you. Poland looks totally different from Serbia and is much wealthier. I've been to Serbia this holiday and I'm not impressed. Of course, it's an interesting country but it's being 'teared' and it lost the best part - Montenegro. You might have had such impression because of the weather around. Poland looks the worst in the late autumn. When there's greenery it looks very nice. The standard is also becoming higher.

But Kraków is quite dirty outside the city center(many old buildigs)

I disagree with you. Poland looks totally different from Serbia and is much wealthier.
No, you can not say this to a proud Serb! they are much better than you (whatever that means).:)

You might have had such impression because of the weather around. Poland looks the worst in the late autumn. When there's greenery it looks very nice.
Is it only Poland that looks worst in the late autumn?:)

The standard is also becoming higher.
WOW!:)

Poland is much more developed, but being jealous is normal so I dont blame this Serb.

Poland is much more developed, but being jealous is normal so I dont blame this Serb.

If Poland is so wealthy why Poles leave country so much ? Wherever you go in Europe you will find polish workers do low paid jobs . It's hard to find someone from Hungary , Czech Rep. , Estonia or other ex Soviet bloc countries . Low cost labour is exclusively from Poland .

Cause they are as large as them all? Or perhaps because they are allowed to do so :)

There are hundreds of thousands of workers from those countries everywhere. They have small populations so its obvious they are not as visible as the Poles. Poland after all has a larger population than all of these countries combined.

Poles are also more entrepreneurial so you are more likely to see Polish businesses than for example Hungarian ones. We like to work for ourselves.

If a student makes 10 pounds per hour then it is more than 3 times what he/she can make at home. It makes economic sense. By British standard it could be classified as a "low paying job" but by our standard if money is saved it could give someone a better start back home.

It's important to do an honest work and do it well. If it computes than who are we to judge ?

Cause they are as large as them all? Or perhaps because they are allowed to do so :)

But other new EU members are allowed to do so too , but they don't .
Why only Poles leave their country in search for better life .

It's not leaving the country in search of better life. Most of those people return in a couple of years. It's something you can observe in most EE countries, especially the new EU members.

Not only Poles .. but most EE. Besides we should be aware of total population and percentage of emigrants

Example:
Bosnia and Herzegovina 3,981,239
Poland 38,518,241

If Poland is so wealthy why Poles leave country so much ? Wherever you go in Europe you will find polish workers do low paid jobs . It's hard to find someone from Hungary , Czech Rep. , Estonia or other ex Soviet bloc countries . Low cost labour is exclusively from Poland .

cause Poland is the biggest, populous country in CE, so its obvious that we have the biggest emigration for salaries, also note that we have along wih Czechs the highest salaries in region. Our average salary is over 1200 $, thats why our eastern neighbours want polish passport so urgently.

It's not leaving the country in search of better life. Most of those people return in a couple of years. It's something you can observe in most EE countries, especially the new EU members.

I went to Greece and Italy . The cleaning lady in my hotel in Greece was from Poland and so was the pool attendant . Woman in a small market was also from Poland . On the boat to Italy almost entire cleaning stuff was Polish. In Italy in a port caffe waiters were from Poland .... I have not encountered one single person from other new EU country .

In Britain all the problems with immigration from EE are concentrated on Poland - not any other EE country . So if Poland is so good as you say and so wealthy , why is it so ? Maybe because of its size , and Poland was traditionally country where people emigrated from .

Well, I don't see the point. If you can find a better paid job in another city, you'd most certainly accept it. If you are free to choose another city in another country, you'd accept it as long as there are no significant cultural or language barriers for you.

And yes, no EE country can be (still) compared to the UK, Italy, France or Germany in terms of quality of life and salaries.

I went to Greece and Italy . The cleaning lady in my hotel in Greece was from Poland and so was the pool attendant . Woman in a small market was also from Poland . On the boat to Italy almost entire cleaning stuff was Polish. In Italy in a port caffe waiters were from Poland .... I have not encountered one single person from other new EU country .

In Britain all the problems with immigration from EE are concentrated on Poland - not any other EE country . So if Poland is so good as you say and so wealthy , why is it so ? Maybe because of its size , and Poland was traditionally country where people emigrated from .

ofcourse because its size, why much poorer country like Bosnia cant work there? because it cant - its not an EU country.

Poland was traditionally a country people immigrated to. For centuries. Until the partitions when Poland ceased to exist as an entity. That's when we had a large emigration to the US, Canada, Brazil etc.

Poland is large and relatively wealthy but people want immediate gratification. They want more money and want it now. They are mobile, hard working and don't sit around waiting for handouts. They are active. Especially the young, educated willing to go for 2 years abroad to brush up on their language skills and gain experience.

It's a new world. They have Polish passports and they can live and work practically anywhere. They have a choice to do whatever they want. Meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of foreigners banging on Poland's doors wanting to get in and work in Poland. So go figure.

ofcourse because its size, why much poorer country like Bosnia cant work there? because it cant - its not an EU country.

I guess you need a tranquilizer and a cure for complexes . :ohno:

Even though it is not in EU I sure would never move to your country . :lol:

Poland was traditionally a country people immigrated to. For centuries. Until the partitions when Poland ceased to exist as an entity. That's when we had a large emigration to the US, Canada, Brazil etc.

Poland is large and relatively wealthy but people want immediate gratification. They want more money and want it now. They are mobile, hard working and don't sit around waiting for handouts. They are active. Especially the young, educated willing to go for 2 years abroad to brush up on their language skills and gain experience.

It's a new world. They have Polish passports and they can live and work practically anywhere. They have a choice to do whatever they want. Meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of foreigners banging on Poland's doors wanting to get in and work in Poland. So go figure.

I guess it is also because you have the youngest population . I have a friend from Poland and he studies in the U.S. and he went home last Christmas he said that all his friends had moved to Ireland. So he went to Cork to see them . He is from a small town close to Wroclaw . He sai that town was almost empty , there were no young people left there .

They must have migrated to ex-Jugoslavia! :lol:

Just joking, but this thread is becoming one of those many stupid and eventually closed ones :)

I guess you need a tranquilizer and a cure for complexes . :ohno:

Even though it is not in EU I sure would never move to your country . :lol:

we wouldn't give you visa to enter Europe after all.

^^ So what Murci? People want's a better life. I know a lot of Polanders here in Norway and they're totally cool guys like from any other land. End this stupid discussion!

btw @bgrs-Yugoslavia was AMERICA for you Bulgarians before around 20 years! Do not deny it!

yes, this duscussion is stupid and some people have really big complexes...

sadnes_beg, don't quite remember that time...I was only 5-6 years old..

sadnes_beg, don't quite remember that time...I was only 5-6 years old..

Yeah but I remember it. Ask your parents their surelly know it :D
Now this discussion is finished 'cause it's totally off topic! :)

Yugoslavia was indeed a piece of the west in the east. No denying it. Strange how seemingly a successful country exploded from within so fast.

^^ So what Murci? People want's a better life. I know a lot of Polanders here in Norway and they're totally cool guys like from any other land. End this stupid discussion!

btw @bgrs-Yugoslavia was AMERICA for you Bulgarians before around 20 years! Do not deny it!

I know also some Poles and they are cool people . This Delfin has a major complex issue . He is not only embarassing himself but also his countrymen . Znas onu - Nasla se svinja gdje joj mjesto nije :lol:

Yeah but I remember it. Ask your parents their surelly know it

I can ask them, but I don't really care much about that time, I'm glad it's all over. You see, our life is so short it doesn't make sense to live in the past or have some unhealthy expectations about future. It neither makes me happier nor sad if Bulgaria is errr "America" compared to someone and vice versa. I have a life to live :)

I know also some Poles and they are cool people . This Delfin has a major complex issue . He is not only embarassing himself but also his countrymen . Znas onu - Nasla se svinja gdje joj mjesto nije :lol:

complex you say, being Polish I can be only proud unlike you.

^^ So what Murci? People want's a better life. I know a lot of Polanders here in Norway and they're totally cool guys like from any other land. End this stupid discussion!

btw @bgrs-Yugoslavia was AMERICA for you Bulgarians before around 20 years! Do not deny it!
btw @sadnes_beg-what was America for the Yugoslavs then?

complex you say, being Polish I can be only proud unlike you.

Go inject yourself , it will make you feel better . :lol:

poor you

I can ask them, but I don't really care much about that time, I'm glad it's all over. You see, our life is so short it doesn't make sense to live in the past or have some unhealthy expectations about future. It neither makes me happier nor sad if Bulgaria is errr "America" compared to someone and vice versa. I have a life to live :)
I can tell you what Yugoslavia was! It was more open communist country. Their west i.e. today's Croatia and Slovenia was much better off as they are today due to their proximity to Italy and Austria, which obviously invest heavily. I have to give credit to today's Serbia, too.
But as it turned out, their "great" communist leaders happened to be more stubborn than a donkey on a bridge, so a decade of isolation and embargo and break away republics and wars obviously affected their economy.
But they are still better off than you all! OK!:)

I know also some Poles and they are cool people . This Delfin has a major complex issue . He is not only embarassing himself but also his countrymen . Znas onu - Nasla se svinja gdje joj mjesto nije :lol:

Well yea being more developed then Serbia is not really something to brag about...:ohno:

Well yea being more developed then Serbia is not really something to brag about...:ohno:

I repeat ,
Nasla se svinja gdje joj mjesto nije .


I'm sure you understand this one .

I repeat ,
Nasla se svinja gdje joj mjesto nije .


I'm sure you understand this one .

Dude, you must be joking! Are you seriously comparing B&H with Poland?

How about taking your fight to PM and getting back on topic? Hopefully a mod can clean up this trainwreck.

i think gap between poland and serbia is the same as between poland and czech republic, all of the eastern european countries are in poor economical level, but some polish indeed have some complexes

relax guys it was just this guys perception, he can see whatever he wants to see and interpret it the way he wants. Quite ridiculous to take it that serious, even a tad suspicious. Do you think someone from Switzerland would even react to someone saying that he thought Zurich was a bit like Serbia ;)

Delfin was pissed off because CrazySerb insulted Gdynia calling it dirty and poor. He is now on a war path with anything "Serb" related :)

Dude, you must be joking! Are you seriously comparing B&H with Poland?

Read my posts and find out if I ever compared B&H with Poland or if I insulted Poland or Polish people with anything I said . Problem is that SOME polish posters here are dealing with serious complexes and started insulting on a very nasty way .

Read my posts and find out if I ever compared B&H with Poland or if I insulted Poland or Polish people with anything I said . Problem is that SOME polish posters here are dealing with serious complexes and started insulting on a very nasty way .

Well it's very mature of you to stoop down to his level and be just as nasty and insulting. :)

I repeat ,
Nasla se svinja gdje joj mjesto nije .


I'm sure you understand this one .

hmm... pig shits where there is no city ???

^^ :laugh:

I can tell you what Yugoslavia was! It was more open communist country. Their west i.e. today's Croatia and Slovenia was much better off as they are today due to their proximity to Italy and Austria, which obviously invest heavily.I don't get this part; Croatia and Slovenia are now worse off than they were in Yugoslavia?

^^ Verso, just ignore that ''thing''. He can't addmit that Yugoslavia was really a heaven for them. And they're still not so much developed as they should be because they had enough time while we had war etc.
:cheers:

It was your war (together with the socialists) that slowed down the development of my country to a great extend BTW...it wasn't easy to live next to embargo country with crime boosted because of illegal exports. I didn't remember much of the communist era, but I remember the 90s. I even knew a guy that bought a real gun back then on the black market because he believed that the Yugo wars will somehow spread to Bulgaria, heh... Besides that, noone wanted to invest in a politically unstable region. You know what did "Balkans" mean to westerners back then...and still means today. I don't think that you realize the situation well, anyway. I don't think our aim of living is to be better than some of our neighbours. Look at who always starts to compare countries. Besides, you were the guy that mentioned Bulgaria in that thread. Why was that?

^^ :laugh:

I don't get this part; Croatia and Slovenia are now worse off than they were in Yugoslavia?
are you communist???

^ No, why would I be communist? :?

I disagree with you. Poland looks totally different from Serbia and is much wealthier. I've been to Serbia this holiday and I'm not impressed. Of course, it's an interesting country but it's being 'teared' and it lost the best part - Montenegro. You might have had such impression because of the weather around. Poland looks the worst in the late autumn. When there's greenery it looks very nice. The standard is also becoming higher.

You can disagree whatever you want, i have been to Serbia several times, i have also been to hungary, poland, italy and other european states, and poland looks nothing better than Serbia. Just like i said, i expected a lot more from Poland, mostly because of you forumers, so when i came there i was kinda disapointed. Warsaw City Center is polished up, the rest is not breathtaking at all.

And wheter "Montenegro" is the best par or not..well, let's just say if you call that the best part of Serbia, you haven't seen an inch of serbia. :lol:

Poland is much more developed, but being jealous is normal so I dont blame this Serb.

Your arrogance, which btw lacks a base, is just more than funny. Why for gods sake should i be jealous? I live in Germanys most expensive city, so i know how well developed city's and especially areas look like. I was not expecting poland to look like Germany, not at all, but to not be far from it, since it looked pretty hot on most of the pictures here. So when i arrived, i noticed that it doesn't look any better than Serbia, and so concluded that Serbia can't be that bad. Sure, it hurtens your proud polish feelings to hear from a objective foreigner that you not only don't reach german developement standard, but also look like "poor Serbia", but you know what? I dont give a damn :) That's just how it is and you can't change it by calling me a "jealous serb" or other stupid things.

i think gap between poland and serbia is the same as between poland and czech republic, all of the eastern european countries are in poor economical level, but some polish indeed have some complexes

That's pretty near at what i was thinking. Happy to see there are still realistic and cool poles on this forum, and not only trolling kids full of complexes. :cheers:

^^^
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=384046&page=3

read this thread, you should understand most part of it, if not I'll help you.

Delfin was pissed off because CrazySerb insulted Gdynia calling it dirty and poor. He is now on a war path with anything "Serb" related :)

But I never called Gdynia dirty & poor!!
I just said thats it not as nice as Gdansk or Sopot;)

^^And it is true what you said :)
Your arrogance, which btw lacks a base, is just more than funny. Why for gods sake should i be jealous? I live in Germanys most expensive city, so i know how well developed city's and especially areas look like. I was not expecting poland to look like Germany, not at all, but to not be far from it, since it looked pretty hot on most of the pictures here. So when i arrived, i noticed that it doesn't look any better than Serbia, and so concluded that Serbia can't be that bad. Sure, it hurtens your proud polish feelings to hear from a objective foreigner that you not only don't reach german developement standard, but also look like "poor Serbia", but you know what? I dont give a damn :) That's just how it is and you can't change it by calling me a "jealous serb" or other stupid things.You must be joking. I laughed so hard when I was reading your post.

Warsaw City Center is polished up, the rest is not breathtaking at all.
:crazy:

Did you actually been there ?
Shure it looks a bit better then 2 years ago but far from "polished up" there are much cleaner districts in the suburbs and that should be your impression of real Warsaw...

Of course Warsaw is polished up, when it's Polish. :D

^ No, why would I be communist? :?
Only communists dream about the "glorious" past!

hey what do you all want from MareCar?! first you're asking about his opinion "how it was in poland" and then when the answer doesn't agree with you, you're insulting him and whole serbia, that's not cool, there is no duty to enjoy poland when you visiting it, in our country there are some great areas and downtowns, but there is also plenty of places which are not so different of serbia, he said his own opinion and everyone should respect thas

We respect his opinion as long as it is possitive

hey what do you all want from MareCar?! first you're asking about his opinion "how it was in poland" and then when the answer doesn't agree with you, you're insulting him and whole serbia, that's not cool, there is no duty to enjoy poland when you visiting it, in our country there are some great areas and downtowns, but there is also plenty of places which are not so different of serbia, he said his own opinion and everyone should respect thas

Now if we had 1000 forumers like you, where would our end be?:)

hey what do you all want from MareCar?! first you're asking about his opinion "how it was in poland" and then when the answer doesn't agree with you, you're insulting him and whole serbia, that's not cool, there is no duty to enjoy poland when you visiting it, in our country there are some great areas and downtowns, but there is also plenty of places which are not so different of serbia, he said his own opinion and everyone should respect thas

Thanks for your help :)

But, i never said i was not enjoying poland when i was there, i never said a bad thing, problem is that some poles here are so arrogant, cause they seem to think that poland is Washington or Boston, and insulting , that they take it as a bad thing if you compare poland to serbia, and that is what makes me mad. Serbia is nothing more or less than an other state on earth, and it is not worse or less valuable than poland.

We respect his opinion as long as it is possitive

Thanks for the sarcasm man :lol:

But, my opinion was not negative. So some of the guys here should ask themselves about how much complexes they have, that they take my resumee as a negative opinion. :bash:

Only communists dream about the "glorious" past!I can tell you what Yugoslavia was! It was more open communist country. Their west i.e. today's Croatia and Slovenia was much better off as they are today due to their proximity to Italy and Austria, which obviously invest heavily.Ok, now I see the misunderstanding; it would've been better if you'd written "just like" instead of "as"; I thought you wanted to say "better off than they are today". But a good location isn't compulsory: some richest countries lie in the middle of nowhere (Iceland, Norway, Ireland, New Zealand...).

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. I can say that Cuba reminds me of Poland or Ukraine reminds me of Poland, but this is just a statement which expresses my personal opinion and view.
In reality, you can not say that Serbia and Poland are equally wealthy bacause they are not.
GDP per Capita:
Serbia - 7 265
Poland - 16 599
Today, Poland is a wealthier nation, does not matter what the past holds. Like someone said, you can't live in the past. Serbia has been through a lot, and I wish them all the best, I really hope they make it up there in no time.
Poland is in the EU, things are changing there very rapidly....the GDP per Capita is increasing at over 10% per year. In 2011-2012. this figure will be at roughly 25 000.
No matter what anyone says, countries such as Hungary, Poland, SLovakia, Czech Rep. are wealthier and will continue to get wealthier very quickly in the years to come as a result of being in the EU. I will not be surprised if the gap will drastically increase between Serbia and Romania/Bulgaria in the upcoming years. Bulgaria and Romania will surely develop quickly and are on a very promising path into the future. I really hope that Serbia will join soon as well, however, today, you can not compare the wealth in nations such as Slovakia, Lithuana, Poland to the wealth in Serbia.

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. I can say that Cuba reminds me of Poland or Ukraine reminds me of Poland, but this is just a statement which expresses my personal opinion and view.
In reality, you can not say that Serbia and Poland are equally wealthy bacause they are not.
GDP per Capita:
Serbia - 7 265
Poland - 16 599
Today, Poland is a wealthier nation, does not matter what the past holds. Like someone said, you can't live in the past. Serbia has been through a lot, and I wish them all the best, I really hope they make it up there in no time.
Poland is in the EU, things are changing there very rapidly....the GDP per Capita is increasing at over 10% per year. In 2011-2012. this figure will be at roughly 25 000.
No matter what anyone says, countries such as Hungary, Poland, SLovakia, Czech Rep. are wealthier and will continue to get wealthier very quickly in the years to come as a result of being in the EU. I will not be surprised if the gap will drastically increase between Serbia and Romania/Bulgaria in the upcoming years. Bulgaria and Romania will surely develop quickly and are on a very promising path into the future. I really hope that Serbia will join soon as well, however, today, you can not compare the wealth in nations such as Slovakia, Lithuana, Poland to the wealth in Serbia.

I think he was speaking more in terms of how things look, not necesarily how good things are on paper. For example, when I visited Germany and Italy this summer, being in Western Europe I expected everything to be 100x better than things are in Poland, because all I ever saw before was Poland and Slovakia. For the most part, things were very clean and polished up, but in the touristy parts. Like for example, I was actually surprised at how ugly many of the train stations were in Italy. Venice was really the only exception, but it was still very dated. Like I expected even the smallest train stations to be all clean and shiny, newest technology, nice plants, etc., but fact of the matter is most of them looked like what you'd see in Poland. I know not every little station is going to be in tip top condition, but having never been to Western Europe, that was my perception. It's really on paper where the majority of our differences start to show. Going from Germany into Italy into Slovenia and then Croatia, the differences visually were very minimal.

^ Switzerland is very spruced up (especially the German part), but it doesn't have a lot of modern architecture.

It was your war (together with the socialists) that slowed down the development of my country to a great extend BTW...it wasn't easy to live next to embargo country with crime boosted because of illegal exports. I didn't remember much of the communist era, but I remember the 90s. I even knew a guy that bought a real gun back then on the black market because he believed that the Yugo wars will somehow spread to Bulgaria, heh... Besides that, noone wanted to invest in a politically unstable region. You know what did "Balkans" mean to westerners back then...and still means today. I don't think that you realize the situation well, anyway. I don't think our aim of living is to be better than some of our neighbours. Look at who always starts to compare countries. Besides, you were the guy that mentioned Bulgaria in that thread. Why was that?

Very valid point ... most neighbour-countries lost billions because of the embargo and that unfortunate war ... and "Balkans" - unstable, war, unsafe etc - still means the same for most westerners ... It is no one to blame now; its past ... but surely its unfair not to understand that someone else’s war affected other’s (entire) region

did you know that Poles live much poorer than Bosniaks :lol:

PM from Murci

[ha ha ha , console yourself , Poles still live much poorer than we do . It's enough to see your travel agency busses they are still like from the communist times when you were selling camping exuipment to be able to pay holidays on the Adraitic . I don't really hate Poland but like teasing you because you are sooo full of complexes . Everyone laughs about you

^^:rofl:
Everyone knows that bosnia is the 3rd World country haha. You can't deny it Murci.:lol: Good luck to you anyway:cheers:

Bosnia isnt a third world country and Murci is a Serb, not a Bosniak.

The reason why we 'travel around in buses' and work abroad is because
WE CAN and you CAN'T. It simply means we aim high. THere is many Poles who could stay in Poland and work there, instead they want more, so they go to England ..make money there, come back to Poland and be even wealthier. It is only natural that they go and work there, but you have to remember, this is all temporary. Wages in Poland are going up drastically and soon it will simply be not worth going and working there. Believe me things are going the right way, we are on the right path and things are looking good now. I personally know so many Poles that are in England and Ireland, but they ALL are there temporary, they all want to return,,,,and you just wait, they are already coming back and spending the money they made. This will only continue and more of them will come back. In Poland, the liberals are in power now and it is very popular to say taht Poland will repeat the same success Ireland experienced.

I think people bashing Poland really need to stfu. I've been to Poland and it's a beautiful country. I especially liked the highways, extremely smooth and rapidly developing. Sure, small villages are a bit dilapidated but I am sure that Poland will fix this problem quickly. It case of development of towns, nobody here has the right to say that your cities are more developed than Poland's, that's a bunch of BS. And the example with the buses: WTF do buses have to do with the general economy? Grow up people.

Diakuju Pavlo! Just to add one thing, I am sure that the Euro 2012 Soccer Championships in Ukraine and Poland will be another economical boost for the two nations.

I think people bashing Poland really need to stfu. I've been to Poland and it's a beautiful country. I especially liked the highways, extremely smooth and rapidly developing. Sure, small villages are a bit dilapidated but I am sure that Poland will fix this problem quickly. It case of development of towns, nobody here has the right to say that your cities are more developed than Poland's, that's a bunch of BS. And the example with the buses: WTF do buses have to do with the general economy? Grow up people.

Oh yeah! Our "highways" are da best in Europe:lol:

Bosnia isnt a third world country and Murci is a Serb, not a Bosniak.

ok. so Serbia is a 3 world country :yes:

Where's mod! :nono:

Trolling! Trolling! Trolling!

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/909/balkanskadushevnost6uy.jpg

I'm really getting better at trolling eheh :)

Why is Cyprus the only country which doesn't join Schnegen although it has the highest GDP per capita and is isolated from the rest?

LOL, bgrs! :rofl:

Why is Cyprus the only country which doesn't join Schnegen although it has the highest GDP per capita and is isolated from the rest?

Because it's still split up, that's why! At least, that's what I think...

LOL, bgrs! :rofl:

I want to laugh too! :) What exactly do the Slovenian and the Serb say?

Having it drawn for you is not enough?:?

Because it's still split up, that's why! At least, that's what I think...

this can't be the reason because Cyprus is going to join Schengen in 2009. Why not in 2007 with the rest?

this can't be the reason because Cyprus is going to join Schengen in 2009. Why not in 2007 with the rest?
because of the turks........

I want to laugh too! :) What exactly do the Slovenian and the Serb say?

The drawings tell it all :D

Hey bgrs, are you trying to take my place or what ? :lol:

Bosnia to kick off pre-membership EU talks

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Bosnia and Herzegovina is facing a "bright future" in the EU, says Olli Rehn (Photo: ec.europa.eu)

04.12.2007 - 09:28 CET | By Lucia Kubosova

Bosnia and Herzegovina (BiH) is due on Tuesday to initial an agreement seen as the first step towards the EU membership talks, making it the final Western Balkan country to fully set off on the European path, which Brussels predicts will lead to "a bright future".

"I have decided to initial the Stabilisation and Association agreement (SAA) with Bosnia and Herzegovina tomorrow," EU enlargement commissioner Olli Rehn said on Monday (3 December) in Sarajevo.

His announcement came after the Serb, Bosniak and Croat leaders agreed on the integration of the country's police forces - one of Brussels' conditions for moving ahead with its EU plans.

Late last week, Bosnia's parliament also adopted new voting rules aimed at streamlining its work and seen as crucial for solving one of the worst political crises since the end of 1992-95 war.

"I am very pleased that I did not come in vain since leaders of the country have convinced me of their commitment to finish the job concerning police reform," Mr Rehn said.

The integration of police forces is required as a way to tackle organised crime. Currently, all three major nationalities in BiH have their own separate police.

The approval of police reform, as put forward by the UN's top envoy to Bosnia, Miroslav Lajcak, was preceded by months of tough political wrangling and personal attacks against the Slovak UN governor.

In November, Bosnian Prime Minister Nikola Spiric, a Serb, stepped down in protest against Mr Lajcak's plans, with the leaders of Republika Srpska increasingly raising the prospect of a break-away from the federation.

But commissioner Rehn suggested that the agreement between the top politicians has proven the sceptics "wrong" about the country's "troubled future."

"The country has a bright future on its road towards the EU which is supporting such economic and democratic reforms that the citizens of this country deserve," he added.

The move by Brussels to allow Bosnia and Herzegovina to initial the SAA, which Sarajevo hopes could be signed as early as in January, follows a similar gesture towards Serbia in early November.

According to Mr Lajcak, Bosnia's Muslims in particular had been "quite critical" of the Serbia decision and suggested that the EU was maintaining double standards for the two Balkan countries by making agreement on police reform a condition for moving forward with the SAA.

But he said on Monday that the decision to adopt an action plan on the package shows that "Bosnian politicians have understood that the road to EU integration represents the best possible development strategy for the country."

i couldnt find the EU accession thread, so i just posted it here lol :cheers:

^^ Congratulations to BiH ! :cheers:

because of the turks........

Do you have still your Turkish complex? :lol: :banana:

Well done B&H. Congratulations !!! Normality is slowly coming back to (all) Balkans :cheers:

Cool for B&H, although I'm not so interested in such treaties; I have no idea when we signed all those pre-treaties. :lol:

But once again, great for B&H! :cheers:

Go Bosnia! Im happy the talks have commenced and I look forward to the day Bosnia enters the EU.:cheers:

Do you have still your Turkish complex? :lol: :banana:
what does "turkish complex" mean, you schmuck?
please, explain to me!

the latin name is "complexus turcus" You should know it now :lol:

Bulgarians and Turks seem to be getting along just fine. The only problem is in Cyprus, the Greeks and Turks don't agree on the fine points of the island's unification (fortunately there isn't any violence anymore).

The reason can't be the Turkish state on the island because Cyprus will join Schengen just one year after the rest has joined. The question is why do they need one more year?

the latin name is "complexus turcus" You should know it now :lol:
Your name might say Argentina, but you are probably a hairy Turk.
And when I ask what a Turkish complex means, this doesn't mean that you have to give me a Latin name, STUPID!
Yes, Bulgarians don't like Turks because the Turks are several centuries behind us, they are not Europeans, they have different religion and they are.........................should I say it or I'll get banned?
How do I get a complex from somebody that is below me? Maybe you should ask me if I am ashamed that we share a border with them. Yes, I am ashamed! Are you happy now?

The reason can't be the Turkish state on the island because Cyprus will join Schengen just one year after the rest has joined. The question is why do they need one more year?
They need 1 more year to decide how to keep you away!

^^ Kefish me bate!:lol::lol:

^^ Le leeee!!

Well this was the complex I was talking about :lol: I am not saying that Bulgarians have such a complex in general some some definitly have.

Yes, Bulgarians don't like Turks because the Turks are several centuries behind us... How do I get a complex from somebody that is below me?

:D This is my favorite part of your post delyan. :D You really don't have a complex! :D

Maybe you should ask me if I am ashamed that we share a border with them. Yes, I am ashamed!

If you like, you can go under Turkish rule again for another period of several centuries like before, then you won't have a border problem. You will not have to share your borders, since you won't have borders and you won't be ashamed anymore. It is not very unrealistic, since it happened in the past, not very long ago, right? You know history repeats itself. :D

lol, centuries behind you :D

Your name might say Argentina, but you are probably a hairy Turk.
And when I ask what a Turkish complex means, this doesn't mean that you have to give me a Latin name, STUPID!
Yes, Bulgarians don't like Turks because the Turks are several centuries behind us, they are not Europeans, they have different religion and they are.........................should I say it or I'll get banned? If your a man with bulgarian balls (with actually some bashybozouk blood) youll say what you wanna say here ;)

How do I get a complex from somebody that is below me? Maybe you should ask me if I am ashamed that we share a border with them. Yes, I am ashamed! Are you happy now? You got that complex because you are jealous of them and cant do anything except cursing. We have a saying "Kedi ulasamadigi cigere mundar dermis" and dont tell me you dont know what this means :) Ask to your daddy.

Im sorry that you are ashamed cuz you share the same border with us, be happy with what you got for now before it is another voyvodina of Turkey ;)

Turks....shut up and drive....to the hell.... :nuts::nuts:

Bulgarians have more complexes than greeks :lol:.Thanks they haven´t qualify to EURO 2008 :lol:.

Turks....shut up and drive....to the hell.... :nuts::nuts:

IWhy shoud we shut up?

oh no, we have anatolian invasion. turks, do us all a favor and stay out of here. I'm sure Istanbul is big enough for all of you. or in terms that you would understand - ai siktir!

IWhy shoud we shut up?

Turks threaten my country. I don't like that, so i should react.

Post like this one...
If you like, you can go under Turkish rule again for another period of several centuries like before, then you won't have a border problem. You will not have to share your borders, since you won't have borders and you won't be ashamed anymore. It is not very unrealistic, since it happened in the past, not very long ago, right? You know history repeats itself.


...deserves ban. That why it's better to SHUT UP and get out of the EE section...Turkey is not in EE, I can say it's not even in Europe..but whatever... :nuts:

Turks threaten my country. I don't like that, so i should react.

i can understand the bulgarians.They see the turks as a threat like the greeks which has its roots in the history.And now they have a big neigbour with a population of 90 million in future and one of the biggest ten economies of the world with the second strongest army in the nato.

Now the bulgarians shitting in their pants in fear :lol:

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Istanbul is big enough for all of you. or in terms


Yeah i am proud of my mega 15 million metropolis.The city of 3 Empires

:cheers:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8259/2378099851163393255ck8zs3.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1630/2377457461163349118dy8sr6.jpg

Istanbul is bigger than Bulgaria :lol:

Everybody has fear of the turks because the turks have fucked many nations in history:Armenians,Greeks,East Europeans and and and.....nobody could stop us.Anatolian invasion???You mean Central Asian invasion because the turks came from the region where the chinese wall is.The chinese wall was built because of the turks.They wanted to stop the turks invading china but they couldn´t.Later the turks marched westwards to Europe to fuck beautiful european girls and to kick the greeks from Anatolia .Do you know greeks were blonde in ancient time.But the turks have made them dark.Now greeks have dark hairs :D.And the word turk is a chinese word.The chinese called us "turks" because they also had fear of us.The chinese word "Turki" means "FEARLESS WARRIOR".

So much history lesson of the turks ;)

Yes we aren´t European.We have Central Asian warrior blood.Only our mothers could have european blood because our fathers have fucked many east european girls in ottoman times :lol:


Sorry for East Europe that we had make so much trouble there :colgate:.And dont forget BALKAN is a turkish word which means BLOODY HONEY ;).That is why i came to this forum when i see the name BALKAN.I am very proud that we turks give our name to a whole region.
Now the word BALKAN is like a brandname for a whole region.Yeah.If you want forget turkish history in this region so you must ban the word Balkan from this forum ;).I will always come to this forum when i see my name BALKAN :).You will never delete 500 years turkish history in the balkans.See Mostar and Sarajevo.You must live with it till end of times.History can´t become change.

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAAHHAAA :cheers:

Several of you should be banned, both Turks and Bulgarians..where are the mods??:ohno:

Several of you should be banned, both Turks and Bulgarians..where are the mods??:ohno:

Ok now back to topic :)

ääähm i find it good that there are no border controls in 9 more EU states :cheers:

Turks threaten my country. I don't like that, so i should react.

Post like this one...



...deserves ban. That why it's better to SHUT UP and get out of the EE section...Turkey is not in EE, I can say it's not even in Europe..but whatever... :nuts:

I do not threaten Bulgaria... I did not mean that we will attack... I just made a suggestion. It is up to you guys to decide... I really like Balkan people, and I am very friendly to them. I have so many friends with Balkan or East European background. I am very serious about it... However if my country and nation is attacked like delyan did, I will give the proper answer to these attacks.

I also like Balkan and have nothing against Bulgarians.But some people like delyan have a backward mentality and started to attack so i must attack back much stronger.They can´t forget history.They live in past.If you want mess with me you should be carefull.

Several of you should be banned, both Turks and Bulgarians..where are the mods??:ohno:

i agree delyan should be banned.He is a racist.

I must say I totally disagree with Truva's behavior. Even if we argue we should try to keep the level high and definetely not get too explicit.

"Kedi ulasamadigi cigere mundar dermis" and dont tell me you dont know what this means :) Ask to your daddy.

Are you telling me that I'm supposed to know what "that" means!
No, I don't know what it means, but it sure sound like a barking dog!

i can understand the bulgarians.They see the turks as a threat like the greeks which has its roots in the history.And now they have a big neigbour with a population of 90 million in future and one of the biggest ten economies of the world with the second strongest army in the nato.

Now the bulgarians shitting in their pants in fear :lol:
Did you say that your economy is 10th in the world? Hah-hah, hah-hah!
You poor schmucks! I'm not saying that we are rich but you are way below the poorest Euro country.....

See Mostar and Sarajevo.You must live with it till end of times.History can´t become change.

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAAHHAAA :cheers:
For once, you are damn right! But if you think that Mostar and Sarajevo mean something to me you are hallucinating. People in B&H that have your religion are simply dumb. I have no respect for people like them. They mean absolutely nothing to me even if they speak language similar to mine.......

An who cares if you are 90 million people! China has 1 billion people! Are they better off? Does the size matter? It does matter only if you have money!

If you like, you can go under Turkish rule again for another period of several centuries like before, then you won't have a border problem. You will not have to share your borders, since you won't have borders and you won't be ashamed anymore. It is not very unrealistic, since it happened in the past, not very long ago, right? You know history repeats itself. :D

don't even go there! :nono: if you are a civilized, mature individual then show it. this thread need a looot of cleanup.

For once, you are damn right! But if you think that Mostar and Sarajevo mean something to me you are hallucinating. People in B&H that have your religion are simply dumb. I have no respect for people like them. They mean absolutely nothing to me even if they speak language similar to mine.......

An who cares if you are 90 million people! China has 1 billion people! Are they better off? Does the size matter? It does matter only if you have money!

I think that sealed the ban for you :lol:

Did you say that your economy is 10th in the world? Hah-hah, hah-hah!
You poor schmucks! I'm not saying that we are rich but you are way below the poorest Euro country.....

You must have gigantic cojones in order to say something like that. Alone Istanbul with a GDP of 160 billion USD is 5 times bigger than Bulgaria's whole economy. And the statement "Turks are centuries behind us" is the best statement made ever here. Just one century ago you were part of the Ottoman Empire :nuts: Do you think we begin to believe that Bulgaria which has the 1/10 of Turkey population and 1/5 of Istanbul's economy is superior because you make such ridicilous comments here? :lol: There isn't one aspect in which Bulgaria is superior and knowing this hurts you somehow beause you've git some complexes and so you try to make us believe whit your desperate comments that Bulgaria is superior but we know our neighbour. Where is it superior? History, population, economy, tourism, infrastructure, sports, industry, aviation, cities, skylines... where actually?

^^ we can start with democracy and freedom of speech.

That's all you have actually, but only if you have...

That's all you have actually, but only if you have...

they have also higher Human Development Index

Stop it or I'll get into that troll game :) And then all of you will be sorry :)

^^ we can start with democracy and freedom of speech.

You must be proud of that since democracy is a new born baby in your country. We've it for 84 years now.

^^ Now the only thing you can rightfully add is that tolerance is a virtue in you so-called democracy :)

@ all: thnx for the congrats, just saw the posts :)

I won't discuss about Turkey vs Bulgaria! Just make this Delyan stop shownig his complexes towards Turkey by writing nonsense.

No one can't tell me that Delyan doesn't have inferior complexes and tries to show how bad Turkey is compared to Bulgaria. He might have dreams but he shouldn't tell them here.

Have a look here. Some posts by Delyan. See how he tries to show Turkey negatively in even topics which aren't even realted to Turkey.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=14861303#post14861303

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=14897078#post14897078

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=14961235#post14961235

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=15435575#post15435575

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=15405549#post15405549

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=15680079#post15680079

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=15687147#post15687147

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=15680837#post15680837

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=545986

I guess you're right to some extent :) Why don't you discuss your points of view via a PM by the way? Otherwise, many people (like me hehe) will get involved too :) And there really is no point. BTW there were some arrogant Turks some time ago speaking about their former "slaves", some kind of military invasion of Turkey on the Balkans and bullshits like that. It only keeps people annoyed when they see another (even slightly) negative opinion from Turks about Bulgaria.

And yeah, delyan could be more tolerant, anyway, I'd not argue with him, cause OTOH he is a valuable member of the Bulgarian community here on SSC, at least in my opinion :)

After some negative posts have been sent by both sides (bulgars and turks) people begin to react sensitively and begin to post things without thinking just in order to hurt the other side. The solution is to stop the source of the trouble e.g. Delyan. He suddenly writes something negative about Turkey at the beginning and I answer to his post, now you answer to my post and another Turkish forumer to yours and after some time all are involved and say things which they don't want to say actually. I won't send him PM since he seems to be retarded in my eyes, there is no need to talk him personaly. Look before this guy came there was no trouble between Bulgars and Turks. Am I wrong? No one should try to protect him because he is Bulgarian. You must see him as an individual person. There are idiots in all nations.(which doesn't mean he is an idiot) It is clear to me that he doesn't reflcet whole Bulgaria so let's try to stop him.
Once more, no one is forced to like Turks or Turkey but using every chance to show hatred is not something acceptable!

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ok

I guess you're right to some extent :) Why don't you discuss your points of view via a PM by the way? Otherwise, many people (like me hehe) will get involved too :)


why PM? It seems this is the best thread around here... i like this type of enjoyable topics and those funny arguements between 12 years old geeks. Lets keep the discussion alive.

This is my turn;

Bulgarians are bastards bastards bastards... they just immigrate and pollute my noble culture with their slave instinct:D


oh i love this greenface:D:D:D

kafkas lütfen. Genel tartismalarda yazdigmizi oku ve editle bu yazdigni lütfen.

Nope, you are filthy and smell like sheeps. Your culture is primitive :D Take that :D

ok these were the last "jokes" in this thread!

ok these were the last "jokes" in this thread!


Yes let´s make peace in this forum :) .Anyways it is a funny forum :D

Nope, you are filthy and smell like sheeps. Your culture is primitive :D Take that :D

smells like sheeps? oh as an Istanbulite Turk, i can buy most expensive parfumes while a Bulgarian can see it just in dreams. you are dirty poor and an ugly communist:D

2-1:banana:

ok these were the last "jokes" in this thread!

why? but i enjoy...:(

Congrats for all the mind farts you guys like to call arguments and for bashing each other. It's amazing to see how no one can simply admit his/her country might just be worse off in some fields than a neighbouring country. It is also amazing how you sometimes bash each other on religious basis, when in fact you're all the same - YOU BELIEVE IN CUTE STORIES WITH GODS! Not to mention how you generalize everything to the whole country and all it's citizens or the fact that many of you just hate Turks for some stupid reason dating back to the times when modern Turkey didn't even exist and you were not even born, ffs! And equally funny is to watch some crazy Turks thinking the Ottoman empire is still alive and threaten with invading the Balkans.

I think you should all come down to Earth.

We shouldn´t generalize some posts of backward forumers here.I see many bulgarian tourists in Istanbul and Edirne.And they are happy to visiting Turkey.

smells like sheeps? oh as an Istanbulite Turk, i can buy most expensive parfumes while a Bulgarian can see it just in dreams. you are dirty poor and an ugly communist:D

2-1:banana:


Well, who are you trying to delude, you provincialist ! Your personal info gives you away! You are from Edirne, not Istanbul, nah! 2-2 !!! :lol:

^^ bgrs, don't call a Thracian a provincialist :mad2:, you Moesian paysan :D :lol:

Dia vs everybody 1-0 :D

Well, who are you trying to delude, you provincialist ! Your personal info gives you away! You are from Edirne, not Istanbul, nah! 2-2 !!! :lol:

No, im an Istanbulite, i just study in Edirne. anyway i really bored to see Bulgarians in Edirne, they come every weekend and scream around for sell cheap "made in Bulgaria" things. hehe...


pls do not stop it, this is great chance for redound our posts

No, im an Istanbulite, i just study in Edirne. anyway i really bored to see Bulgarians in Edirne, they come every weekend and scream around for sell cheap "made in Bulgaria" things. hehe...


pls do not stop it, this is great chance for redound our posts

^^ kaşar peynir :) .

The bulgarians coming to pray in the bulgarian church of edirne.There are also some bulgarian churches in Istanbul

http://vdb.gib.gov.tr/edirnevdb/edirne/g/b/1/kilise1.jpg

They also visit much the Edirne Selimiye Mosque.

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/5607/edirne31hh.jpg

Edirne is full of them.Especially in summer time.Then all hotels are full with bulgarian tourists.

No, im an Istanbulite, i just study in Edirne. anyway i really bored to see Bulgarians in Edirne, they come every weekend and scream around for sell cheap "made in Bulgaria" things. hehe...


pls do not stop it, this is great chance for redound our posts

Phew, you're not a Thracian then?! Such a disappointment :ohno:

Where is it superior? History, population, economy, tourism, infrastructure, sports, industry, aviation, cities, skylines... where actually?

Well ... i would add sports here :) And won't even count the fact that guys like Naim Suleimanoglu or Halil Mutlu were born and trained to be champions in Bulgaria :) Even without those two guys we still beat you :banana:

Turkey (http://www.databaseolympics.com/country/countrypage.htm?cty=TUR)
--------------
Medals Won
Summer Winter
Gold: 36 Gold: 0
Silver: 19 Silver: 0
Bronze: 19 Bronze: 0


Bulgaria (http://www.databaseolympics.com/country/countrypage.htm?cty=BUL) :cheers:
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Medals Won
Summer Winter
Gold: 49 Gold: 1
Silver: 83 Silver: 1
Bronze: 72 Bronze: 3


Hehe ... are you ashamed that a country 10 times smaller than Turkey has won several times more olimpic medals ? ;)

Hm...it's not over. I'm defender-midfielder. Our top scorers Delyan and Ivailo will soon enter the game. Beware!!!

^^ This game is sick :) I am not playing it ... Ai siktir babasanak ! :D

:lol:

Phew, you're not a Thracian then?! Such a disappointment :ohno:

half of Istanbul is in Thrace but i live in other side:( (better side:D)

Hehe ... are you ashamed that a country 10 times smaller than Turkey has won several times more olimpic medals ? ;)

just wait 2008 Beijing, you will see our Ethiopian runners will kick some ass:D

Congrats for all the mind farts you guys like to call arguments and for bashing each other. It's amazing to see how no one can simply admit his/her country might just be worse off in some fields than a neighbouring country. It is also amazing how you sometimes bash each other on religious basis, when in fact you're all the same - YOU BELIEVE IN CUTE STORIES WITH GODS! Not to mention how you generalize everything to the whole country and all it's citizens or the fact that many of you just hate Turks for some stupid reason dating back to the times when modern Turkey didn't even exist and you were not even born, ffs! And equally funny is to watch some crazy Turks thinking the Ottoman empire is still alive and threaten with invading the Balkans.

I think you should all come down to Earth.

This is simply the case here. (S)ome retarted mind(s) still hate Turkey beacuse of history and some Turks try to hurt them by remembering the history which causes hatred and trouble in this forum! I say, kill the source of the trouble :gunz: :D

Well ... i would add sports here :) And won't even count the fact that guys like Naim Suleimanoglu or Halil Mutlu were born and trained to be champions in Bulgaria :) Even without those two guys we still beat you :banana:

Turkey (http://www.databaseolympics.com/country/countrypage.htm?cty=TUR)
--------------
Medals Won
Summer Winter
Gold: 36 Gold: 0
Silver: 19 Silver: 0
Bronze: 19 Bronze: 0


Bulgaria (http://www.databaseolympics.com/country/countrypage.htm?cty=BUL) :cheers:
--------------
Medals Won
Summer Winter
Gold: 49 Gold: 1
Silver: 83 Silver: 1
Bronze: 72 Bronze: 3


Hehe ... are you ashamed that a country 10 times smaller than Turkey has won several times more olimpic medals ? ;)

Well we eat too much kebab in order to do sports :lol: Sports in Turkey = football, a bit basketball, weightlifting and wrestling in which no one is interested but are popular during olypmics. Btw I must admit clever of you posting olympic medals here ;) One extra point from me for you! :cheers:

Should I post some Ferrari pictures from Istanbul? :nuts:

half of Istanbul is in Thrace but i live in other side:( (better side:D)

You f*cking Asians! Our side is 10x better! :D

and F1:D

nowadays every teenager wants to become an F1 pilot... while i was a child everybody was a Maradona:D

You f*cking Asians! Our side is 10x better! :D

I dont want to involve in an "Anatolian side vs. European side" arguement. This makes me very angry... i prefer Bulgarians vs. Turks, I act more respectful and peaceful;)

you know you don't have any argument to win the battle! Clever move of yours ;)

Well we eat too much kebab in order to do sports :lol: Sports in Turkey = football, a bit basketball, weightlifting and wrestling in which no one is interested but are popular during olypmics. Btw I must admit clever of you posting olympic medals here ;) One extra point from me for you! :cheers:

Should I post some Ferrari pictures from Istanbul? :nuts:

^^ Hehehe :) too much kebab leads to no good , you know ;) Let's see football ... what have you achieved that we didn't ? Turkey won the bronze medals in Japan & Korea ... so we did before you in USA'94 ... Galatasaray won the UEFA cup ... well we had CSKA 2 times and Slavia once on the semifinals of the European champions cup tournament. Oh, and last time our NTs met 1-2 years ago i think we won 3:1 and Berbatov made you look like berbat... :D

And about the ferarris ... ok :) Let's measure our dicks in that aspect too...

Here is a photo of the auto park in an ordinary day infront of one of the cafees in Sofia :lol:

http://georgi.unixsol.org/pics/sm_lambo_ferrari.jpg

Do i earn one more extra point ? :lol:

^^ Hahahahaha i simply love this picture!!! :lol::lol:

Yeah, it proves the fact that some people are arrogant and don´t know how to park properly.

Where is it superior? History, population, economy, tourism, infrastructure, sports, industry, aviation, cities, skylines... where actually?
Hey, "argentine" Turk, did you forget that the Ottoman Empire was the most backward empire in the world? Did you forget this important fact? Not only that, but you are proud of it! Hah-hah, you are so desperate. Look who's talking about complexes!
And who is talking about superiority? Turkey is not compatible to Bulgaria because Turkey is a Middle Eastern country. I am sure that you can compare Turkey to Israel, UAE and etc. Bulgaria is comparable to European countries!

^^delyane , stop confronting with the turks ... No need buddy. :cheers: Let's all just be friends. Soon there will be only world and no countries.

You must be proud of that since democracy is a new born baby in your country. We've it for 84 years now.
HAH-HAH, they have democracy! There is no democracy in Middle East or Asia Minor! There is no democracy in a place where a woman gets raped and goes to jail because of it!

Soon there will be only world

There is only one world...or you guys live on the Moon,and it will crash into Earth?

There is only one world...or you guys live on the Moon,and it will crash into Earth?

^^ Nope ... but soon we have to think how to inhabit the Moon or Mars , instead of looking back to the dark middle ages :)

they just immigrate and pollute my noble culture with their slave instinct:D

oh i love this greenface:D:D:D
Bulgarians do not immigrate, sorry! Or if we do, we do it in very small numbers compared to other nations.