..

^^I wonder if this is for the South Bank Railway Station site??

Could it be the redevelopment of the wharfs (those expo88 remanant restaurants) near the goodwill bridge? What ever happened to that project?

^^That could be true, and if it is I am very hopeful!

The Goodbill bridge end of southbank needs redevelopment, it's an eye sore.

^^ here here even get rid of the shipyard, it's utter crap.

it's the site near southbank railway station, yep. it dosnt go over the railway station tho. the existing heritage building (colins place) is also preserved.

I was just thinking, $300M is a lot of Moolah for a project in South Bank...we should be expecting something special for the area!

Maritime museum and dry dock is heritage and should remain.

Glad to hear it's the Vulture St station area, pity it doesn't include development above and refurbishing the train station.

I would have loved to have seen a modern building envelope the old train station, similar to what they did with Melbourne Central.

pity it doesn't include development above and refurbishing the train station.

Execept....it should. The whole idea is that the building will be built over the station, that's why the air rights come part of the deal.

SWEET!!!!

I'm only going of what Dan said above, haven't seen any plans or renders

^
that's fine - didn't notice dan's comment. But the official line from the press release is:

“The successful developer will be required to design the new buildings to allow a podium level to be constructed over the rail corridor at a later date.”

I thought some company, or maybe it was QR, sold the rights to someone recently to partially build over the lines.

^^Wasn't that for Tribune?

im glad devine got knocked out of the race early.

but sad that Austcorp got knocked out as well

THANK GOD DEVINE IS GONE!
Now ban everything they build

Isn't this where it was going to be???
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/soulvisionQ1/image_05.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/soulvisionQ1/image_04.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/soulvisionQ1/image_06.jpg

^
Nope, that's the fisherman's wharf development and the SB corporation still haven't fully decided what they want to do with that site (...officially), so they definitely haven't put out any tenders for it.

^^ So where is it? does anyone actually know?

I am pretty sure the site is on the corner of Tribune and Grey streets (opposite Tribune - the building) and next to Collins Place

^ 300 mill though? the site is not that big.

I think it might be this thing, from an earlier citynews story (scan by Soul):

Out of interest, what is the height limit here?

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/soulvisionQ1/SBredevelopmentCustom.jpg

^ 300 mill though? the site is not that big.

it is definitely the site adjacent to the train station.. and $300m is the total value of the project, not the price for the site.. the price for the site is probably 5-10% of the end value

Yep Locke has the right article. One of my friends is working in one of the submission teams.

The Goodbill bridge end of southbank needs redevelopment, it's an eye sore.

I'm not sure I agree with this claim.

When you walk off the Goodwill Bridge there is a line of massive Moreton Bay Figs in Memorial Park, which is lovely, the Qld College of Art, The Ship Inn,The Arbor and the Martime Museum. Maybe you mean further west towards Southbank itself. But then, I can't really see what there is to complain about there either. In any case it looks alot better than the other side of the bridge where you are met with QUT's 'Civil Engineering' building, which looks like a Delhi bomb site, and the drab law faculty, where I work.

^^ I know about the Civil Engineering Building, I had LWB451 in it recently.

PREMIER UNVEILS NEW GATEWAY TO SOUTH BANK

Premier Peter Beattie today unveiled the winning bid to develop 9A and 9B Collins Place, the largest remaining vacant site at South Bank.

Mr Beattie said the winning concept, with a construction value of $200 million, would provide South Bank with an impressive southern gateway.

"The site will become home to a mix of retail, hotel, residential, office and public space, while preserving the historic Collins Place at its heart," Mr Beattie said.

"It will bring more people to this dynamic part of Brisbane, with the development expected to house more than 1200 office workers, up to 100 retail and community staff, 100 residents and up to 120 hotel rooms.

"This will revitalise the southern end of South Bank, with the concept opening up access to the precinct, its surrounding areas and the city centre.

"Increasingly, people want to live and work close to great public spaces and dynamic environments with access to efficient public transport networks and this concept delivers that.

"It will improve the public spaces surrounding the South Bank rail and busway stations and most importantly, preserve a piece of Brisbane's history with Collins Place at the centre of the development."

South Bank Corporation Chairman Steve Wilson said the winning bid was in line with Corporation's expectations for the site.

"The Anthony John Group has put forward an exciting proposal that will provide a wonderful addition to South Bank," Mr Wilson said.

"The development represents a significant milestone in achieving the precinct's master plan - developing Grey Street as a great street.

"This significant investment in the future of South Bank will contribute to the area's continued evolution and vision of becoming the world's best new urban precinct," he said.

The final design for the project will be subject to further stakeholder consultation. Construction is expected to begin mid-2007 and is scheduled for completion in 2010.


there was a render in today's courier, building looks fantastic.. does anyone have any more renders??

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5279203,00.jpg

THE developer behind Brisbane's upmarket Emporium development has won a hotly contested bid to develop a $200 million urban village on South Bank's largest remaining vacant site.
Tony John from the Anthony John Group plans to build a single 13-storey building incorporating a five-star hotel, office space for 1200 workers and 40 apartments on a 4400sq m site next to South Bank train station in Grey St.

The ultra-modern building will be built above ground to wrap around the historic, two-storey Collins Place building, which dates back to 1889 and will be preserved as part of the development.

Mr John said he had always envisaged being able to transform the South Bank site into something similar to his $225 million Emporium development in Fortitude Valley.

He said the project, designed by architectural firm Jackson Teece, was still in its conceptual stage, but was likely to include a subway linking rail commuters to Grey St and a myriad of dining options to cater for the area's large student population.

"The way we won the project is that we came up with a single building solution that would address Collins Place as a focal point," Mr John said.

"Whatever we do there, it's got to be groovy and really hip . . . we're competing with a world-class restaurant precinct."

South Bank Corporation called for expressions of interest to develop the site in June.

Stephen Conry and John Livingstone of Jones Lang LaSalle ran the campaign, which attracted 16 initial bids from international, national and local developers.

South Bank Corporation CEO Malcolm Snow said the Anthony John Group's proposal stood out because of its visually stunning architecture, contribution to the South Bank vision and the fact it made the most of the site's proximity to public transport.

Mr Snow said a final masterplan would now be prepared, which would be subject to further community consultation.

Construction is expected to start mid-next year.

Premier Peter Beattie announced the successful developer and unveiled the initial concept of the project yesterday.

Mr Beattie said the development would revitalise the southern end of South Bank and improve public space around the railway station.

South Bank Corporation chairman Steve Wilson said while he recognised the site could have accommodated a higher density development, the board had decided it should be a maximum of 13 storeys after "exhaustive" community consultation.

That looks pretty cool, a quality addition to Southbank!

Excellent news. Bring on the Urban Villages!!!!

That is sooo bloody hot!

How tall is this building going to be? Will it be as tall as the currently-constructed Tribune building next door?

13 storeys, roughly the same height as the stockwell building that is being built on further down grey st, which itself is a little higher than the cgu building that's already completed a little further down grey st

Wow!! Nice!!! A subway???

^^For pedestrians I assumed when I first read the article.

^^ I see... great idea!

I'm just annoyed that they couldn't get the land that Southpoint is on. (The corner of Grey and Vulture Street). That building is cruddy.

Excellent news. Bring on the Urban Villages!!!!

This development is not an Urban Village.

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5279203,00.jpg


"Whatever we do there, it's got to be groovy and really hip . . . "


:rofl:

Hmmm, from the tiny render and article it doesn't seem too bad. I was expecting something 20stories+, but this does look kinda cool. Is there a DA online yet?

no, not that i saw today.

lets not get too excited just yet, gotta see the whole package before we can make a decision on whether it is actually as good as it looks

I really really like it!!! Its got a bit of everything and it stands out...

The render actually looks a bit brutalist. Which if it is, is friggin awesome, but I doubt it would be.

tiny render

that I can help with....

http://www.southbankcorporation.com.au/__data/assets/image/7175/Collins_Place_Logo.jpg

Jackson Teece are certainly an interesting architectural firm, they also designed riverside apartments - note the shared shade structure:

http://www.jacksonteece.com/blowups/projects/ar-riverside-02.jpg

I was expecting something 20stories+, but this does look kinda cool.

A comment by the chairman of SB corp from about 6 months ago stated the building would not be above 15 stories, so this isn't a bad outcome particuarly.

Is there a DA online yet?

No, and it wont be online. All development in SouthBank is controlled by the SB corporation so there is no need to lodge anything to the BCC. You should be able to ask to see the plans at the southbank visitor centre in a few months though.

I'm just annoyed that they couldn't get the land that Southpoint is on. (The corner of Grey and Vulture Street). That building is cruddy.

Yes, that is an absolutely horid building. I expect it to be redeveloped in the next decade however, as the owners could be making a lot more money out of a larger building.

DAMN! Orfeo that render is much appreciated. I would love to get a hold of the plans though. So southbank corp is like the state governemnt, they can pretty do whatever they want whereve they want.

:eek2:

could you get it any bigger orfeo?lol
great building

Hahaha, awesome work Orfeo! If only all renders were that big.

can someone explain where this block of land exactly is?

^^
Right next door to South Bank station. From this view diametrically opposite that of the render you can see below some of the site next door to Colin's place (historic building)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/48/QRSouthBank.JPG/800px-QRSouthBank.JPG

I would love to get a hold of the plans though
As would I, the main thig is to ask at the visitor centre frequently because they seem to have a habit for showing them for only a short period: I managed to see the original plans for SW1, but when I went back a fortnight later to get some pic for here they didn't have then any more...

What I would be really interested to see is some of the other submissions.

One thing too keep in mind is that these are peliminary plans, and they could change with the production of the final plans.

So southbank corp is like the state governemnt, they can pretty do whatever they want whereve they want.

Pretty much - South Bank is strictly owned by the State Government, but is managed by the Corporation. I assume that if there was a serious issue the government would step in.

From the render it looks awesome, suits the site perfectly. The only way it could have been improved was if they were building over the entire station and right over the tracks up to Vulture St with a public entrance off Vulture St instead of the pathetic looking entrance (ramps and lifts) to the station that is there at the moment.

Thumbs up! Another cool development for Southbank!

This development is not an Urban Village.
No but it has urban village qualities - mixed use, pedestrian friendly, transit oriented etcetera. Speaking of urban villages though, Kelvin Grove has its open day today.

From the render it looks awesome, suits the site perfectly. The only way it could have been improved was if they were building over the entire station and right over the tracks up to Vulture St with a public entrance off Vulture St instead of the pathetic looking entrance (ramps and lifts) to the station that is there at the moment.

From the government addvertisment to developers: “The successful developer will be required to design the new buildings to allow a podium level to be constructed over the rail corridor at a later date.”

I gotta say this one looks like a winner, a great addition to Southbank. It's becoming a real alternative to the city now as a place for commercial office space and hotel needs.

Well I might be the only one so far, but I don't really like it - but I'll reserve judgement until it's finished... It's definately got potential.

a great addition to Southbank. It's becoming a real alternative to the city now as a place for commercial office space and hotel needs.
Why does it need to be seen as an alternative? I think the two sides of the river should be marketed as a package, having north and south ends of the city. More bridges and direct mass transit should help this...in addition to density such as this, just wish it was a bit taller.

I mean this in the context that any entrant to the Brisbane office market invariably thinks of the CBD before considering the 'inner suburbs' including the likes of Southbank, Spring Hill, Milton etc. I think this would apply to any major city for that matter. Not to say that this won't change, especially with developments like this that will really capture the market's attention.

^
I agree that they don't necessarily need to be differentiated, but the markets do serve somewhat different fields. I'd also say that most companies would be thinking fringe markets first given the extremely low vacancy - 2.3% - of the CBD market.

What exactly is this Collins Place anyways? Is a residential buidling, museum, office, haunted mansion....(anything else)?

It kinda looks out of place in front of a groovy ultra-modern building IMHO.

^
Originally it was a house, durring expo '88 it was a restaurant, following that it was derilict until the begining of this year when it was fixed up to become offices. It is heritage listed (as it should be) so it isn't going anywhere.

Youd think they would of atleast bothered to provide a connection between the trains and adjacent busway... its meant to be a transit orientated development why dont they factor this shit into designs??

John Group's concept wins South Bank finale
26 Oct 2006 The Australian

AN undercover "urban park" features in the winning plan for the last big development site at Brisbane's South Bank.

As foreshadowed in The Australian last month, Brisbane developer Anthony John Group has won the tender to develop a mixed-use project with an end value of more than $300 million on the 5500sqm site.

About 19 developers bid for the project, including Mirvac, Stockland, Leighton Properties, Devine, Austcorp and Consolidated Properties.

Premier Peter Beattie said the Anthony John proposal would provide South Bank with "an impressive southern gateway".

Mr John said yesterday two 13-storey buildings would provide 43,500sqm of gross floor area. One tower would be offices, the other a mix of apartments and a 120-room hotel.

The apartments would be targeted at owner-occupier baby boomers, a market that would be reaching its peak around 2009-10 when the project came on stream.

The five-star hotel would be operated under Anthony John's own E Hotel brand.

The company will shortly open the first E Hotel in its $225 million Emporium mixed-use development at Fortitude Valley, north of Brisbane's CBD.

Anthony John Group, founded in 1983, is also developing the $130 million Southgate Corporate Park in the eastern Brisbane suburb of Cannon Hill.

Sydney architect Jackson Teece developed John's winning South Bank scheme.

Mr John, a former architect, said the historic Collins Place building on the site was a focal point of the plan, and the raised podium which would sit above the landscaped park would allow "excellent sight lines".

The development will adjoin the railway station on the eastern end of the former World Expo 88 site.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/cj_81_/200mSouthBank.jpg

Hmm, one minute it is $300mil the next $200mil!

^^ I think the city news article is wrong..

a few new renders -

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6572/colins1vz3.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/315/colins2vw8.jpg

Hey thanks a bunch!! Where did you find them?

South Bank feels a little isolated from West End/Highgate Hill and South Brisbane.

I think the master plan could have been a little better.

anyone hava pic of the new southbank tafe building thats being built in the above picture? ^^

Hey thanks a bunch!! Where did you find them?

The newsletter on the SBC site.

South Bank feels a little isolated from West End/Highgate Hill and South Brisbane.

I think the master plan could have been a little better.

It is distinct, particuarly from the highgate hill area which starts at Vulture street, but i certainly wouldn't say that it is isolated.

I'd be interested to know in what way the plan could have been improved from your point of view?

anyone hava pic of the new southbank tafe building thats being built in the above picture?

Do you want renders of the eventual buildings, or pictures of what's currently complete? If the later, you can there are webcam images here (http://www.southbank.tafe.net/site/epicentre/images.asp).

I guess visually at the moment South Bank kind of looks isolated due to the wall of buildings on grey st and the fact that it is all so new compared to much of its surroundings. Give it a few years though and this should change as the area between cordelia and merrivale sts bulks up a little bit and the area between musgrave park and Melbourne st. One thing I would like to see is a definite pedestrian link from the lizard on boundary st West End, to the intersection that Rydges and Saville are on including a path through musgrave park. Not that any of that has anything to do with this building, this should finish off the line of buildings quite nicely!!!

So I guess they are going to build over the station?
On page 1 of this forum someone said that in the bried they were required to 'build a podium level over the railway for future construction'. Can't see the tracks in that render. I hope they do build over that station. It isn't the prettiest.

^^ no theyre not building over the station. the costs involved with that meant that they would have had to construct 40 storey towers to make the project econmically viable. im sure some sort of station upgrade will be included.

^
nonsense: there was a 15 level building planned until QT/QR opted out

@knock_sideways

This development does not cover the tracks, and the motive provided by the SBC is that were any building to do so there would have to be a major upgrade of the station, one which Queensland Transport and QR would be paying for. Both refused, offering only a minor upgrade at this point in time but stating that a more significant upgrade will be required as patronage increases.

Originally the site for this project covered both the colins place area and the space over the tracks, and was a joint project between the SBC and QT/QR. When QT/QR decided they didn't want to be involved, the SBC seperated their site for development, changed the criteria and this project is the result.

This building will not preclude any development over the station, but if that does happen it will be purely done by QT/QR.....the south bank charter doesn't cover airspace over the tracks.

Being developed by The Anthony John Group.

Official site:

Southbank Corporation (http://matrix.ourbrisbane.com/corporate/about_us/developing_south_bank/south_bank_transit_site_project)

^^ Besides an explanation of the site, its surrounds and history, the are 3 PDF files for d/loading. Also explore the above site's menu on the left-hand side.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/Collins_Place_SouthBankB.jpg

...

looks great!

there was a thread on this last year... no new info as far as i can see.

lol, i thought i was about to see a couple of brown, boxy 185m tall towers proposed for southbank.

^^ Lol..... would you really complain though if they did replicate Collins Place at Southbank? I love them.

mmm... i'd love the idea of the size and height but maybe not the design. southbank would look cool with some talls though.

it's mixed use (office, apts, retail, student accom, hotel).. not just hotel

Looks interesting

Forgot about a thread for this one. The project came out ages ago. I reckon it'll start after the neighbouring tower has stopped construction. Good design. I like it.

there's already a thread for it somewhere

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=396906&page=4

Merger time. QLD regional councils should watch on with interest!!! ;)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=396906&page=4Thanks for that and I did a search too and nothing came up.

Seeing the older thread dates before I made this thread, so they won't clash or get mixed with the dates.

Here is the link to the first page to be merged with this one - 4 pages in the older thread in total:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=396906

....

Merger time. QLD regional councils should watch on with interest!!! ;)

You really do need a break! :lol:

ive added this to emporis. at 45m high.
great project
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/Collins_Place_SouthBankB.jpg

lol?

whoa....

Who are you bigfix?

Burned!

Malt, Orfeo, BrizzyChris, scottsimmons80 >>> yeah, what they said!

Just remember bigfix that you listed Vision as UC at least a few days before it actually was - purely on the word of an inexperienced forumer.

Malt, Orfeo, BrizzyChris, scottsimmons80 >>> yeah, what they said!

Just remember bigfix that you listed Vision as UC at least a few days before it actually was - purely on the word of an inexperienced forumer.

I admire you for doing some digging on me. Well done!
Yes, that is correct.
But KJBrissy has been with this forum for over 1 year (join Jan 2006) and has made thousands of posts so would have thought he is experienced. He said he sited a digger active on site and also quoted from a construction company statement. Seemed justified to me.

BTW - all of my reasonable responses were deleted by the moderator because he could not stand the heat.

As I asked and was obviously removed... Are u the same loser who thinks he owns the Brisbane wiki page?

Please don't think I would spend any time searching for that stuff - I just have a decent memory.

Old Meets New in $650 Million South Bank Proposal

A $650 million Transit Oriented Development proposed for Brisbane’s South Bank will deliver a stunning new addition to Brisbane’s skyline and a true southern gateway to the Parklands, Premier Anna Bligh said today.

Ms Bligh told State Parliament today she had signed an authority for the South Bank Corporation to seek public input on proposed changes to the Area Development Plan to allow the proposed Southpoint development.

She said Southpoint was being proposed by the Anthony John Group, best known in Brisbane for its highly-regarded Emporium mixed-use development in Fortitude Valley.

The proposed $650 million Southpoint development will be centered on the South Bank Railway Station and will offer modern residential and retail space while preserving the Collins Place Heritage Building as the entry to a 144-room hotel.

“The contrast between past and present is architecturally striking,” Ms Bligh said.

“South Bank has become the living heart of the city, as popular with tourists as it is with Brisbane residents. The Southpoint proposal builds on this by including significant public space, adding to the vibrancy that continues to make the precinct a must-see destination.”

Southpoint is also proposed to include 55 apartments, plus shopping and office space including a supermarket and an art house cinema. It will be built on the site bounded by Vulture, Grey and Tribune Streets and the South Bank Railway Station.

“The development will open up direct pedestrian access to Vulture Street and its improved links to the train station and busway will make South Bank even easier to reach without a car,” Ms Bligh said.

“On top of these benefits, 1000 jobs will be created during the construction phase and there will be employment for 3000 people upon completion.”

The Southpoint proposal follows on from the green light this month for the Mill Albion project, which will transform a run-down 1.3ha inner-city site into a $280 million village-inspired development based on the Albion Railway Station.

“My Government has pioneered the establishment of Transport Oriented Developments as a Smart State solution to catering for population growth while easing congestion on our roads and containing urban sprawl,” Ms Bligh said.

“They are key components of our strategy to keep ahead of growth and build a better Queensland.”

http://statements.cabinet.qld.gov.au/MMS/StatementDisplaySingle.aspx?id=55084

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/13/470_south.jpg
An artist's impression of part of the proposed $650 million South Bank development, which will include a hotel, cinemas and office and retail space.

$650m facelift for South Bank


A $650 million development proposed for Brisbane's South Bank will blend heritage and contemporary design with "stunning" results, Queensland Premier Anna Bligh says.

The Southpoint development is proposed for the site bounded by Vulture, Grey and Tribune streets and South Bank railway station.

It will use the heritage-listed Collins Place as the entrance to a 144-room hotel, adjoining residential, office and retail space.

An arthouse cinema and supermarket are also proposed.

Ms Bligh said the development would be accessible by bus and rail.

"Major developments based around major transport hubs like busways and train stations are an important part of planning for Brisbane," Ms Bligh told reporters in Brisbane today.

"As we see more people wanting to live near where they work in the city, we need to make sure that they are near public transport so we don't contribute to further urban congestion."

Ms Bligh said blending old and new buildings was a challenge, but could be done successfully.

"We will see an architecturally stunning combination of very modern, and some of Queensland's oldest, architecture," she said.

Ms Bligh said she expected Southpoint to be built around the same time as Northbank - a development proposed for the opposite side of Brisbane River.

After public consultation, the government is in discussions with Northbank's developer, Multiplex, and expects to release plans soon.

Southpoint is proposed by the Anthony John Group, best known for the Emporium building in Fortitude Valley.

It will create 1,000 jobs in construction, and employ 3,000 people on completion.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/650m-facelift-for-south-bank/2007/11/13/1194766652744.html

South Bank's $650m facelift

SOUTH BANK, arguably Brisbane's hottest tourist and recreational attraction, is to get a $650 million facelift with a redevelopment that will include a 144 room hotel, cinema and scores of office and retail spaces.

The development - dubbed 'Southpoint' - will be spearheaded by the Anthony John Group which has come to terms with South Bank Corporation for the development which will revitalise the South Bank Railway Station.

Virtual tour: Take a video tour of the proposal (http://publish.vx.roo.com/couriermail/videoplayer/?Channel=Local+Videos&ClipId=1414_071112flythru&bitrate=300&Format=wmp)

Premier Anna Bligh today signed off on an agreement allowing South Bank to seek public input into the development.


"South Bank has become the living heart of the city, as popular with tourists as it is with Brisbane residents," she said in a statement.

"The Southpoint proposal builds on this by including significant public space, adding to the vibrancy that continues to make the precinct a must-see destination."

The development will also open up direct pedestrian access to Vulture Street and its improved links to the train station and busway will make South Bank even easier to reach without a car, Ms Bligh said.

It was not immediately known when the proposal would start or be finished, if it gains approval to go ahead.

It's estimated the project would create as many as 4000 jobs - 1000 in the construction phase and the remainder after completion.

The Anthony John Group is well known for the Emporium development in Fortitude Valley.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22751823-952,00.html

The news tonight said it would be 18 storeys tall! That's big for Southbank!

if you look at the video on the couriermail website, its a really impressive building, the render doesnt show its best angle IMO.

This PDF has better renders.

http://www.southbankcorporation.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/15333/South_Point.pdf

I was hoping that it would be on top of the train station. It does look like a good building though, and obviously just about anything is an improvement of the present mess.

Did we already have a separate thread on this one or was that only a few pages in the under 10 stories thread? Anyways, the news like most days are behind on this story... Funny how both Ch7 and 9 commented about people lodging their objections, in my mind i was thinking mate.. thank god this is going ahead regardless. Love it, i have faith in the Anthony John Group.

Thank goodness the new design is being built over the old Southpoint terraces. the old design was just proposed to be built next to it?

i dont know if there was a previous thread for it.. or if it was part of something else, but for $650million i think it deserves its own thread.

Why does the thread title say Southbank Station redevelopment? This is next to the station and has nothing to do with it.

Well i think this project will upgrade the station as well. Definately overdue. I too am disappointed that this project won't be built over the train station, but any redevelopment is better than nothing!

I'm glad it's not being built over the station. The last thing we need is another Toowong/Ipswich/central. Open air all the way.

thats a bad attitude hmmm.

Underground stations feel cool for starters... that is just an opinion though

But there is wasted airspace over railways, especially railway stations. If u can get people living right over it, u reduce the dependancy on cars alot.

computers will save paper.

^^ LOL. Love that.
IMO Building over the lines is a good idea so long as its done right, Toowong isn't a decent example of this but these days i'm sure we can come up with better solutions. What if there was a straight thru plaza with large ceiling heights sort of like an atrium over the tracks with shops etc to the side and you take escalators below with the tower above? That sort of keeps the open air feeling while not wasting the land.
If people want open air, people should use foot power, it's TOD developments that should (if implemented correctly) reduce peoples dependence on cars.

whilst not being built over the railway it will be improving much of the station, including the links to southbank and conections to the busway station.

All desparately contemporary, even got some butterfly roofs there. Wonder if they will catch on.

Southbank station is directly accross the road from QPAC at the Goodwill bridge end of southbank right?

The station at the other end of southbank - opposite the Performaing Arts complex could do with some similar additions IMO.

Southbank station is directly accross the road from QPAC at the Goodwill bridge end of southbank right?

The station at the other end of southbank - opposite the Performaing Arts complex could do with some similar additions IMO.

yeah thats right..

The other station is South Brisbane, and the problem about redeveloping that one is that it is heritage listed, though they could still do a much better job at maintaining it then they currently do.

It's what used to be called Vulture Street station. I actually prefer that name, but perhaps they are worried tourists might be confused.

Maybe one day Roma Street will become "City West" and Brunswick Street the "Valley", but I'd rather keep the traditional names.

Building over the station would have been heaps better.

Love this one....

Once 18 storeys is built in front of the station, it opens the door for a taller building over the station in the future. It will be built over for sure....in the near future

Southbank station is directly accross the road from QPAC at the Goodwill bridge end of southbank right?

The station at the other end of southbank - opposite the Performaing Arts complex could do with some similar additions IMO.

Isn't QPAC (Queensland Performing Arts Complex/Centre) the same and the "Performing Arts Complex"? The Goodwill bridge is at the other end of Southbank.

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I like the half of the building(the glass half), which faces Vulture Streetit will be the unofficial gateway to the rest of Southbank, beats the crap looking building that is currently there.

for $650 million it must be pretty high quality as well, considering its only 18 stories.

South Brisbane and Southbank right after eachother can be confusing, I know I've seen a few tourists with weird expressions around there.

And its now made Powder Fingers (I think) album mean nothing...

South Brisbane and Southbank right after eachother can be confusing, I know I've seen a few tourists with weird expressions around there.

And its now made Powder Fingers (I think) album mean nothing...

Vulture Street is actually the name of the road that runs beside South Bank Stn all the way through to Wooloongabba.
Powderfinger used to practice in some apartment on Vulture St(near the gabba), hence why they named there album that.
The train station in fact has nothing to do with the album as far as i am aware, it was a couple of km away from where they used to play.

As for the station name, i think they probably should have renamed South Brisbane to South Bank and changed Vulture Street to Mater Hill.

Isn't QPAC (Queensland Performing Arts Complex/Centre) the same and the "Performing Arts Complex"? The Goodwill bridge is at the other end of Southbank.

Yess, my bad, I meant to say GU/QCA.

I think Vulture Street is the best name for what is currently South Bank Station. I've noticed now on the Gold Coast Line, they are now announcing the station as "South Bank Vulture Street"

Vulture Street is actually the name of the road that runs beside South Bank Stn all the way through to Wooloongabba.
Powderfinger used to practice in some apartment on Vulture St(near the gabba), hence why they named there album that.
The train station in fact has nothing to do with the album as far as i am aware, it was a couple of km away from where they used to play.

This is correct. The train station has nothing to do with the name of Powderfingers' Album.

Good lord, if that's Anna Bligh's idea of architecturally striking, it shows why politicians should never become designers. That has to be the most awkward juxtaposition of old and new I've seen in many, many, many years. Yes Europe often have the old and the new contrasting and complimenting each other quite well, but overshadowing a 2 storey building with 10 or so stories of blank walls isn't quite the European sentiment either. Such a sloppy workaround, it's quite obvious that the designers/developers have little or no regard for the existing building, they just -have- to accommodate it to get the rest of this development built.

I don't have a kind word to say about this building. Of course something needs to be done with this site, but...this building looks like everything that was wrong about mid-late 90's architecture, rolled into one big, scary monster.

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I don't have a kind word to say about this building.

...um.....you don't really seem to have a kind word to say about any new proposals.

...this building looks like everything that was wrong about mid-late 90's architecture, rolled into one big, scary monster.

:rofl:

do you have a little quote book full of these little gems?!?~

I believe from street level, Collins Place will actually stand out significantly. I also believe that have a flat simple look to the middle shows off Collins Place even more. It is hard to see Collins Place in the render, but then again the render is taken from a height of about 20 storeys and not ground level.

Very nice design, I think it will fit into the Southbank precinct really well. Hopefully take some attention away from the shocking Griffith arts school buildings.

While I think it is 'desparately contemporary bit of plane crash architecture' I somehow don't mind it. As for the historic building, it is not that crash hot itself. The juxtapostion is ... um ... not even vaguely working.

^^
Hey I like it.
Its an interesting building... be happy its not another 9 storey wihite fridge.

Its a pity that the general developments along Stanley St, have not covered the rail line as they seem squeezed and rather narrow when more impressive buildings could have been created if the space over the line had been utilised. It is now a graffeti file canyon. My feeling that this building whilst interesting could have been better if the station had been more fully incorporated into the design

I think eventualy, with rising real estate values, the "air space" above the railway line will be further utilised.

I'm pretty sure all the recent buildings along Stanley Street have made provisions for future rail way platform connections? Isn't that a reason Tribune has a massive cantilever to the rear?

rail way platform connection?

what do you mean by that?

^^ Have a look at this PDF mate, the buildings have made provision for a rail platform connection. I'm not too sure on the full story.
http://www.propertylook.com.au/attachments/JLL/JLL_46/51055/DA-411.pdf

i wasnt being a smartass i just didnt know what your meant by platform connection...

does that mean another station in the middle, or just a footpath or what.

Perhaps relocating Southbank Station across the road to form an integrated rail/bus interchange

That idea sounds ok, but soutbank and southbrisbane are close enough as it is..

Not to mention there is a pretty big distance between parkroad and southbank.

Hi TOCC,

I wasn't even remotely being a smart-arse. Sorry if it came across that way.
Regards.

Also does anyone actually know what the future plans are for the rail platform? Interesting because the connection level would be straight from the office tenancies.

I fail to see how a new platform connection constitutes a redevelopment of the station...

Hi TOCC,

I wasn't even remotely being a smart-arse. Sorry if it came across that way.
Regards.

Also does anyone actually know what the future plans are for the rail platform? Interesting because the connection level would be straight from the office tenancies.

that cool, i thought you were insinuating that i should already know the plans..

maybe it could just be a foot path or something..
i highly doubt that it would be anything more then a extension of the footpath..

I'll be pissed if there isn't a decent connection through this building onto the platforms. I don't want to walk up the hill on Vulture Street to walk back down the ramp. I also like taking my short-cut through QCA and across grey street into the platform.

^ i havent being there for a couple of years, but i used to go to school near there and used the station every day and there is currently connections to grey st so i highly doubt they would get rid of those.

They said in the brief that there would be increased connections to the surrounding network didn't they?

South Point is now approved (http://www.southbankcorporation.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/24444/Development-to-commence.pdf); completion expected in 2011

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Brilliant! This will be the icing on the cake for the Grey St "boulevard".

Very sculptural, icing indeed.

Love this one - really glad it's been approved!

yeah it looks great, so much better then the brick 2 story offices that are there at the moment ;)

I go past the site for this each day- should be interesting to see it go up!

i've heard around the traps that they have plans for a "stage 2" which includes building over the railway line

Presumably that involves refitting the train station, yes?

There are no real plans for a stage II.

The original tender by the South Bank Corporation called for development over the railway lines, however there was no interest from developers. So that aspect was left out of the development scheme, and replaced by statement that the development must be designed to allow a future platform over the railway station.

This current project will involve some modifications to the station: a new ticket office, opperations room and platform upgrades.

This is a nice little development. I like how the historic building is saved in the middle. That in itself will be an interesting feature.

j

This is a very interesting development.a dynamic mixture of New and old .looks excellent especially with the ripirian life concrete stumps.

I like how the historic building is saved in the middle. That in itself will be an interesting feature.

j

I agree, though i'm amazed that feature didn't get the building knocked back. As many submissions as there were against the height, it was the dwarfing of that little building that caused the most public concern.

Dead or alive?

^
Generally when people get information, they add it to the thread.

Estimated completion date is still 2011, although works were meant to begin towards the middle of last year.

Estimated completion date is still 2011, although works were meant to begin towards the middle of last year.

It is likely dead then. I feared it was so.

^
i wouldn't say that, since the website has been updated since January and they're now advertising for commercial tennants.

Generally speaking no news, just means that - and asking for news yield little.

Well, AJG did say in the press late last year that this was a long term project - i.e. that are now no longer targeting 2011.

Also, the can not proceed with significant office pre-leasing - something which is very hard to achieve these days. It is a 50,000m2 NLA office !

The units they planned where in the premium end of the market, this segment of the market is having a lot of challanges at present.

AJG has limited finances, projects are undertaken through JV and Mezz finance in combination with senior debt. They are also committed to many other major projects.

On the bright side, the negotiations with the Builder are well advanced and they are ready to start excavgation of the 40,000m3 basement.

new renders (http://www.jacksonteece.com/?p=372&d=0&e=0) of stage I

new renders (http://www.jacksonteece.com/?p=372&d=0&e=0) of stage I

Says 20 stories and 695 rooms. This is quite a nice project.
j

As JayT said, it is 20 storeys and 696 rooms - a mix of student accomondation and serviced apartments.

The Architects are Jackson Teece and the builder is Hutchinson.

Pics from the Jackson Teece website.............

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That's a good looking building!

Looks pretty good.

Here are some pics of the site - no activity......

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Here is the 20st student accomodation. Taken this morning. Not sure what to make of it yet.

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^^I think you got the wrong site. The 20st tower is to go on the corner of Vulture and Grey Streets.

This tower is part of the TAFE IIRC.

Is it under 15 storey's? If so I'll move it to the appropriate thread.

I hadn't realised the student accomodation hasn't even started yet. My bad.

Here is the 20st student accomodation. Taken this morning.

The photos should proabably go in the Southbank EPIcentre thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=203795

The building is a 14 Storey student accomondaton by Axiom. Urbanest have bought it and will run it as student accomondation.

http://www.urbanest.com.au/

Call me wierd but there is something I love about that building. Its so... dominating! I really hope they don't paint it beige.

you're wired.

you're wired.
No I'm not wired. I haven't been "wired" in ages :lol:

That student accom is horrid.

Project is on hold for the moment, not even a site office yet! Due to start up next year I think.

Call me wierd but there is something I love about that building. Its so... dominating! I really hope they don't paint it beige.

I agree!

From the AJG website:

http://www.anthonyjohngroup.com.au/_img/southpoint/1.jpg

http://www.anthonyjohngroup.com.au/_img/southpoint/3.jpg

I didn't realise this one was still alive. That's a fancy website they have going.

Wow, their site is great! Particularly love the Google Earth model download they have for Southpoint.

Check out this diagram of the different uses within the building:
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1231/newpicturee.png

Green = Office
Orange = hotel
Yellow = residential
Purple = Retail

whats that little redish bit?

Hotel I think.

could be student accom??i think there was a small component of it in the scheme

I think you have this confused with something else. This scheme consists of Office, Retail, High end Residential and Hotel.

nice new pictures, similar to the old ones. be great if this one gets up.

could be student accom??i think there was a small component of it in the scheme

The website only gives floor areas for those four uses.

I don't think student accommodation because it's in the middle of the office bit. Probably meant to be some sort of plant area

This one has been for sale for a little while now. AJG don't have the funds to do it.

:(

This one has been for sale for a little while now. AJG don't have the funds to do it.

:(


This project is about to be released to the market, but it's changed... alot from the original concept.... keep an eye out.

Then why is it for sale? They are actively advertising.

no idea dude, but the elevations I saw for this looked like the thing had been pumped with steroids.

^^
are you sure that's not just the updated plan that's described earlier in this thread? when did you see the plans?


Then why is it for sale? They are actively advertising.

who is doing the selling?

^^
are you sure that's not just the updated plan that's described earlier in this thread? when did you see the plans?



who is doing the selling?

ME? Ahh... I think it would be best not to disclose too much information in a public forum. I'm sure you will see it in the next few months.

who is doing the selling?

Seb Turnbull of Jones Lang LaSalle.

This is quite a conundrum...

JLL still has a notice for leasing with renders that seem to be of the most recent version.

the resi market seems to be coming back, but 40,000sqm is a load to be releasing on the commercial market, especially one with only 250,000sqm of existing space of which 30k is vacant.

suppose we'll just have to see.

http://www.joneslanglasalle.com.au/Australia/en-AU/Pages/Properties.aspx

Property No. 5369303

^^
isn't that just the lease notice i mentioned above?

^^
isn't that just the lease notice i mentioned above?

yep... if the 'FOR LEASE' heading didn't give it away then the 'Lease Date Available:01/03/2010' probably should have... ;)

Yea, there have been some changes. I can't really talk about it in any greater detail.

Put it this way: It's happening, and soonish... It may not ultimately be done by AJG though.

The council has been landscaping the park on the corner closest to the South Bank Busway... why go to the trouble if this is coming so soon?

Because it's been on hold I guess... The beefed up proposal mentioned by vman11 has only just been released and they're still seeking help from other developers, so there is a fair bit of uncertainty.

Beyond that can't really say anything.

council wouldn't be doing anything in southbank??? it is all managed by southbank corp??

^^ True that.

Is that corner technically in South Bank Corp's jurisdiction? Then again, I'm just assuming it's council doing it.

^^
yep, all the way up to vulture street - they amended the SB plan to get this building approved.

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt280/Dr_Marty/southpoint-1.jpg

Office component is gone. It's mostly resi with a hotel down the far end.

^^ Still looks cool. I like.

Thanks for posting that marty, looks quite good! any more renders available?

definitely preferred the old design as this design is a little more generic. but its still far better than most of the boxes that have been going up.

where does that heritage house fit in...

In between the res and hotel buildings (the far 2)

nice enough, and taller than the other plan.

looks pretty good i want to see the heritage house section before i make a judgement though

any more renders available?

Not right now. I'll see what I can do.

Here is a direct comparison:
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt280/Dr_Marty/southpoint-1.jpg
http://www.anthonyjohngroup.com.au/_img/southpoint/3.jpg

Looks like building 1 has been totally replaced, whilst building 2 has become something of a combination of the original designs for buildings 1 & 2. Building 3 is much the same.

I don't mind it at all. Probably prefer the old design, but it still looks sharp. Anyone spot the pool?

its been uglified

Personally I think it still looks pretty good.

To be honest I prefer the newer one. South Brisbane is full of various unappealling types of boring, blocky looking boxes already - the less the better.

But either would be acceptable compared to the tip that is there at the moment. Whatever is built, the station should be completely realigned and rebuilt at the same time and there should be strong connectivity to the busway from the ground and the rail platforms/podiums.

What's with the car racing poster at the podium?

Wow, the biggest NIMBY in town is Campbell Newman and the BCC if the Brisbane Times is to be be believed today:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/property/heritage-house-will-be-dwarfed-by-650m-development-council-20101029-177bu.html

The Council seem to be complaining about and/or knocking back projects all over the place at the merest wiff of a complaint from the public.

I tend to agree, I've been worried about this house ever since they started building tall(ish) at southbank.

Generally, I'm all for new development around Brissie, and South Bank Corp has made the area arguably one of the nicest in the inner city...

But I'm with Fyver and BCC in this case...we have a beautiful, heritage listed house of which there aren't many in the area (and which has a strong social link to the South Brisbane area) which will end up being consumed by this development.

^^ When has anyone ever had internal access to or even noted that heritage listed house? I've walked past it so many times and not even noticed it. I think this development will essentially 'unlock' the house, acting as an access point to the project (so we have heard). This is the same kind of thing with the Regent. Enhanced feel, better access.

Buildings in Melbourne tend to dwarf neighbouring heritage buildings... but thats a good thing because its a nice contrast and actually makes the historical building stand out.

The SBC have created a fantastic streetscape and dining precinct, one which the Brisbane City Council has yet to achieve anywhere else. Piss of Amanda Cooper! She should concentrate on providing more support to developers doing the right thing, not whinging about not having planning control. Has anyone in her department actually traveled outside of Brisbane before?

You have to remember that this site is basically a TOD - perfect for this kind of development. I couldn't disagree more with BCC on this. The house will actually be noticed, will be restored and will be used. There is nothing wrong with a contrast between old and new - if anything it's visually interesting.

This site needs density. I'm fairly dismayed by council's response.

You have to remember that this site is basically a TOD - perfect for this kind of development. I couldn't disagree more with BCC on this. The house will actually be noticed, will be restored and will be used. There is nothing wrong with a contrast between old and new - if anything it's visually interesting.

This site needs density. I'm fairly dismayed by council's response.

This is pretty similar to the argument ISPT / Brookfield Multiplex are having with the Regent. That project provides a long term use / activation for a heritage listed component - similar to what this development does.

I think the Brisbane City Council should be dissolved and the South Bank Corporation take over running the city :)

They've had years to oppose this, and they havnt' done so. I don't take this as being an honest concern.

Seems they don't like anyone making decisions except for themselves. BCC getting too big and powerful for their own good perhaps.

They do raise a valid point in regards to Southbank Corporation though, the area is practically developed to capacity, they have served there purpose, what are they going to do now that there are no development sites left?

Southbank Corp is an absolute waste of money. It's almost criminal.

They should be wound up... But after Southpoint is approved ;)

i completely agree with the criticism of southbank corp.. they have a clear conflict of interest in that they are the approval authority and they are receiving $$ for the sale of the site. plus they do not have a planning process that is open to public scrutiny like BCC - where is the PDonline for SBC??

i completely agree with the criticism of southbank corp.. they have a clear conflict of interest in that they are the approval authority and they are receiving $$ for the sale of the site. plus they do not have a planning process that is open to public scrutiny like BCC - where is the PDonline for SBC??

So your sttitude is that Southpoint should not be built and a house that is not being utilised should remain on a block with nothing but an ugly train station behind it?

Southpoint will be the last part of the puzzle in enlivening the whole South Bank area. We have to stop thinking in terms of a big country town.

He said absolutely nothing about the house. Just SBC.

Don't worry - the chances of this one not going ahead now are incredibly slim to none. Two companies are ready to do a JV and build it and one of said companies has been talking to the state gov and SBC for ages. They're totally on the same page.

He said absolutely nothing about the house. Just SBC.

Don't worry - the chances of this one not going ahead now are incredibly slim to none. Two companies are ready to do a JV and build it and one of said companies has been talking to the state gov and SBC for ages. They're totally on the same page.

nearly every developer in town has looked as this site by now.

While something will happen on the site eventually....it may take some time.

SBC cuts red tape and has done a fantastic job in urban design, in particular activating streetfronts and pedestrian activity. I see no reason to bow down to an ever-growing Nimby and power hungry council. Why fix it if it's not broken? And there are always future redevelopment opportunities for Southbank.

Let's face it, if the Brisbane city council had the power to choose what would go on this site... We would most likely see a stumpy little watered down 5 storey building which would be non-offensive to the eyes, eg another boring box.

Soul, the issues are largely to do with the cost and beurocracy of maintaining South Bank Corp. It's money that belongs elsewhere - not in the pockets of a select committee, charged with planning responsibility for a tiny parcel of inner-city land (ie, to sit around doing sweet nothing). It's a terrible waste on a department that simply doesn't need to exist.

Your criticism of council is also incredibly reactionary. This has been just about the least nimby council in the history of BCC... they've uncapped height limits, pushed for almost universally taller buildings in the suburbs via their neighbourhood plans, hugely streamlines the DA process, frequently pointed at the need for increased density and totally ignored nimby's time and time again. I suggest your disproportionate criticism is based on:
(1) The park at Milton
(2) A comment about the Gabba, which will amount to nothing
(3) A comment about this site, which will amount to nothing

Stack that up against what they have ACTUALLY done - tangible, real things and their track record and what do you have? Sweet nothing... Yet a torrent of criticism from you and your blog.

If you're going to run commentary on planning issues, you need to be more balanced.

yeah i think the council have a decent track record in the past with approvals etc, but I agree with SVs stance regarding the recent trend of justifications for rejections esp regarding increased density around PT/TOD developments - with a few of those reasons being highly questionable. But I digress from the topic....

Your criticism of council is also incredibly reactionary. This has been just about the least nimby council in the history of BCC

I believe the current city council is the least nimby yes, but recent decisions and views being made by head honchos like Amanda cooper are becoming increasingly questionable.

Starting with the Taringa Gateway TOD development that they rejected back in 2008 on the grounds of "over development". I thought that was just a one off stupid decision, yet the planning chair has expressed similar "too tall" views about the recent gabba go print project now. I don't give a shit if they knock back projects in unsuitable locations with no transport, but when it comes to inner city rail, where we should be heavily densifying, I'm sorry but I have a major problem with that.

Also, I highlight current decisions being made before it's too late to go back. The blog story I wrote about the Howard smith wharves is pro-bcc, because I believe what they are doing is correct. However can't say the same for their views on Southpoint.

Soul, the issues are largely to do with the cost and beurocracy of maintaining South Bank Corp. It's money that belongs elsewhere - not in the pockets of a select committee, charged with planning responsibility for a tiny parcel of inner-city land (ie, to sit around doing sweet nothing). It's a terrible waste on a department that simply doesn't need to exist.

Your criticism of council is also incredibly reactionary. This has been just about the least nimby council in the history of BCC... they've uncapped height limits, pushed for almost universally taller buildings in the suburbs via their neighbourhood plans, hugely streamlines the DA process, frequently pointed at the need for increased density and totally ignored nimby's time and time again. I suggest your disproportionate criticism is based on:
(1) The park at Milton
(2) A comment about the Gabba, which will amount to nothing
(3) A comment about this site, which will amount to nothing

Stack that up against what they have ACTUALLY done - tangible, real things and their track record and what do you have? Sweet nothing... Yet a torrent of criticism from you and your blog.

If you're going to run commentary on planning issues, you need to be more balanced.

I beleive there should be a body to look after the parklands and South Bank. Being that I currently work over here (not for SBC by the way), I can say how each year the area improves. The current site for this development is an eye-sore, even with a heritage listed house in the middle of it. Southpoint will gentrify the area, bring more people into it and hopefully activate that end of Grey St at street level.

The turf war the BCC is having with Soth Bank Corporation is just petty and juvenile.

I agree the site is pretty ordinary at the moment.

I believe the current city council is the least nimby yes, but recent decisions and views being made by head honchos like Amanda cooper are becoming increasingly questionable.

Starting with the Taringa Gateway TOD development that they rejected back in 2008 on the grounds of "over development". I thought that was just a one off stupid decision, yet the planning chair has expressed similar "too tall" views about the recent gabba go print project now. I don't give a shit if they knock back projects in unsuitable locations with no transport, but when it comes to inner city rail, where we should be heavily densifying, I'm sorry but I have a major problem with that.

Also, I highlight current decisions being made before it's too late to go back. The blog story I wrote about the Howard smith wharves is pro-bcc, because I believe what they are doing is correct. However can't say the same for their views on Southpoint.


Soul....anyone with any type of development / planning background (no, this does not mean going to university) can tell you that proposal at Taringa was utterly ridiculous and a substantial over development.

The council were correct to reject it.

I totally disagree. It was next to local shops, within walking distance of a major shopping centre (indooroopilly), next to a train line, frequent bus route and major road. they just had to work through some local traffic issues.

Soul....anyone with any type of development / planning background (no, this does not mean going to university) can tell you that proposal at Taringa was utterly ridiculous and a substantial over development.

The council were correct to reject it.

I don't believe that for a second and completely disagree. That's a pretty backward view on things.

We can and will do better then that.