Construction to start in 2013 for Tower Verre (MOMA expansion) by Jean Nouvel!


Visualizations:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2122NouvelMOMATowerGetsHeightBoost_pic1.jpg

http://nyc-architecture.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/AAGAAR32-02.jpg

Midtown skyline impact:
http://i.imgur.com/lPosN.png

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5253/momasf8el6.jpg
thanks to ebola for this bigger rendering


As of December 2012:
New Renderings For Tower Verre Revealed (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2012/12/10/new_renderings_revealed_for_jean_nouvels_moma_tower.php)

The most recent redesign of Towe Verre, Jean Nouvel's MoMA tower, calls for a shorter building than originally planned, at 1,050 feet and 78 stories. The architectural drawings for the redesigned tower came to light in August; now, New York YIMBY spots some fresh renderings on the website of architects Adamson Associates. The archibabble explains: "The design features a faceted exterior that tapers to a set of three distinct asymmetrical crystalline peaks at the apex of the tower – each peak varying in height and shape." Inside, there will be 100 hotel rooms, 480,000 square feet of residential space, and 52,000 square feet of MoMA expansion.

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/50c604f5f92ea144d800b621/towerverrenew1.jpg

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/50c604eff92ea144d800b603/towerverrenew4.jpg

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/50c604f3f92ea144d800b617/towerverrenew2.jpg

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/50c604f1f92ea144d800b60d/towerverrenew3.jpg

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/50c604edf92ea144d800b5f9/towerverrenew5.jpg


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older renderings:

wired new york is pretty excited about this and so am i!

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/15/arts/moma190.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/15/arts/191.jpg


Old design with increased height:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/15/arts/1115-web-MOMA.jpg

http://nyc-architecture.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/AAGAAR32-03.jpg


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Next to MoMA, a Tower Will Reach for the Stars
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By NICOLAI OUROUSSOFF
Published: November 15, 2007
Cass Gilbert’s Woolworth Building, William Van Alen’s Chrysler Building, Mies van der Rohe’s Seagram Building.

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Jean Nouvel
A rendering of the Jean Nouvel-designed tower to be built adjacent to the Museum of Modern Art.


Jean Nouvel
The interior of Jean Nouvel’s building, which is to include a hotel and luxury apartments.


If New Yorkers once saw their skyline as the great citadel of capitalism, who could blame them? We had the best toys of all.

But for the last few decades or so, that honor has shifted to places like Singapore, Beijing and Dubai, while Manhattan settled for the predictable.

Perhaps that’s about to change.

A new 75-story tower designed by the architect Jean Nouvel for a site next to the Museum of Modern Art in Midtown promises to be the most exhilarating addition to the skyline in a generation. Its faceted exterior, tapering to a series of crystalline peaks, suggests an atavistic preoccupation with celestial heights. It brings to mind John Ruskin’s praise for the irrationality of Gothic architecture: “It not only dared, but delighted in, the infringement of every servile principle.”

Commissioned by Hines, an international real estate developer, the tower will house a hotel, luxury apartments and three floors that will be used by MoMA to expand its exhibition space. The melding of cultural and commercial worlds offers further proof, if any were needed, that Mr. Nouvel is a master at balancing conflicting urban forces.

Yet the building raises a question: How did a profit-driven developer become more adventurous architecturally than MoMA, which has tended to make cautious choices in recent years?

Like many of Manhattan’s major architectural accomplishments, the tower is the result of a Byzantine real estate deal. Although MoMA completed an $858 million expansion three years ago, it sold the Midtown lot to Hines for $125 million earlier this year as part of an elaborate plan to grow still further.

Hines would benefit from the museum’s prestige; MoMA would get roughly 40,000 square feet of additional gallery space in the new tower, which will connect to its second-, fourth- and fifth-floor galleries just to the east. The $125 million would go toward its endowment.

To its credit the Modern pressed for a talented architect, insisting on veto power over the selection. Still, the sale seems shortsighted on the museum’s part. A 17,000-square-foot vacant lot next door to a renowned institution and tourist draw in Midtown is a rarity. And who knows what expansion needs MoMA may have in the distant future?

By contrast the developer seems remarkably astute. Hines asked Mr. Nouvel to come up with two possible designs for the site. A decade ago anyone who was about to invest hundreds of millions on a building would inevitably have chosen the more conservative of the two. But times have changed. Architecture is a form of marketing now, and Hines made the bolder choice.

Set on a narrow lot where the old City Athletic Club and some brownstones once stood, the soaring tower is rooted in the mythology of New York, in particular the work of Hugh Ferriss, whose dark, haunting renderings of an imaginary Manhattan helped define its dreamlike image as the early-20th-century metropolis.

But if Ferriss’s designs were expressionistic, Mr. Nouvel’s contorted forms are driven by their own peculiar logic. By pushing the structural frame to the exterior, for example, he was able to create big open floor plates for the museum’s second-, fourth- and fifth-floor galleries. The tower’s form slopes back on one side to yield views past the residential Museum Tower; its northeast corner is cut away to conform to zoning regulations.

The irregular structural pattern is intended to bear the strains of the tower’s contortions. Mr. Nouvel echoes the pattern of crisscrossing beams on the building’s facade, giving the skin a taut, muscular look. A secondary system of mullions housing the ventilation system adds richness to the facade.

Mr. Nouvel anchors these soaring forms in Manhattan bedrock. The restaurant and lounge are submerged one level below ground, with the top sheathed entirely in glass so that pedestrians can peer downward into the belly of the building. A bridge on one side of the lobby links the 53rd and 54th Street entrances. Big concrete columns crisscross the spaces, their tilted forms rooting the structure deep into the ground.

As you ascend through the building, the floor plates shrink in size, which should give the upper stories an increasingly precarious feel. The top-floor apartment is arranged around such a massive elevator core that its inhabitants will feel pressed up against the glass exterior walls. (Mr. Nouvel compared the apartment to the pied-à-terre at the top of the Eiffel Tower from which Gustave Eiffel used to survey his handiwork below.)

The building’s brash forms are a sly commentary on the rationalist geometries of Edward Durell Stone and Philip L. Goodwin’s 1939 building for the Museum of Modern Art and Yoshio Taniguchi’s 2004 addition. Like many contemporary architects Mr. Nouvel sees the modern grid as confining and dogmatic. His tower’s contorted forms are a scream for freedom.

And what of the Modern? For some, the appearance of yet another luxury tower stamped with the museum’s imprimatur will induce wincing. But the more immediate issue is how it will affect the organization of the Modern’s vast collections.

The museum is only now beginning to come to grips with the strengths and weaknesses of Mr. Taniguchi’s addition. Many feel that the arrangement of the fourth- and fifth-floor galleries housing the permanent collection is confusing, and that the double-height second-floor galleries for contemporary art are too unwieldy. The architecture galleries, by comparison, are small and inflexible. There is no room for the medium-size exhibitions that were a staple of the architecture and design department in its heyday.

The additional gallery space is a chance for MoMA to rethink many of these spaces, by reordering the sequence of its permanent collection, for example, or considering how it might resituate the contemporary galleries in the new tower and gain more space for architecture shows in the old.

But to embark on such an ambitious undertaking the museum would first have to acknowledge that its Taniguchi-designed complex has posed new challenges. In short, it would have to embrace a fearlessness that it hasn’t shown in decades.

MoMA would do well to take a cue from Ruskin, who wrote that great art, whether expressed in “words, colors or stones, does not say the same thing over and over again.”

i dont love that much... but i LOVE this building! and even though it looks as though theres quite a fair bit of unoccupied space at the top it doesnt appear to cheat as much as say... the new york times tower :D:D will be great to see this one go through!

I don't think cheat is the appropriate word fo NY-times, its design with the spire looks good. If it did gain maybe tax incentives because of its supertall status and a 290m building did not, we could say that "it was cheating". Maybe another description would be better.

Anyways great tower, another 300m tower for NY :)

lol...ive only visited NY once nd it looked like a cheater! :P but you get wot i mean with how the spire bit of this building is blended so well that its just a continuation of the main structure.

btw i do still like NY-times. very sleek imo :)

looks great to me!

Are there no high restrictions in NY anymore? I wonder that so many supertalls proposed in Manhattan. Donald Trump barely reached 262 meters with his Trump World Tower and he was fighting for every foot/meter!

strange but beautiful building. i hope they aproove it.

I don't think cheat is the appropriate word fo NY-times, its design with the spire looks good. If it did gain maybe tax incentives because of its supertall status and a 290m building did not, we could say that "it was cheating". Maybe another description would be better.

Anyways great tower, another 300m tower for NY :)

OMO the biggest cheaters were the petronas towers and taipei 101...so we can forgive those ones.

Saw this in the NY Times today, very excited. It'll be an iconic building if it's built... and it'll be nice to have a supertall above 42nd St.

This looks like the best proposed tower in NY right now.

Unique design, overall a jem of a tower.

:)

something fresh and modern, NY needed it

Great, I like it, an unusual design :)

This will surely be an iconic building for NYC.Maybe it would look even better with a bigger floorplate/base,but that would be impossible since the lot is not that big.

and again another supertall for NY, wonderful :banana!!!

Yeah, another supertall for NY, no shocker; MANY more will come. Amazing design; I love structure buildings like this one!

This tower manages to stay aligned with the monumentality of the "New York style", while still being sleek and modern. Congratulations to all New Yorkers ! :D

This tower looks great.

Woooow, this will be huge! Great, wonderful!

Looks fantastic to me..

could it be that the street-level render was design 1 and the 'model' render was design 2?

so which one was chosen?

it's really nice...

http://www.architectenweb.nl/bin/news/92246.jpg

Amazing, like old FT+3WTC.

From the Dutch part of SSC;

http://www.architectenweb.nl/bin/news/92245.jpg

http://www.architectenweb.nl/bin/news/92246.jpg

http://www.architectenweb.nl/bin/news/92248.jpg

http://www.architectenweb.nl/bin/news/92247.jpg

http://www.architectenweb.nl/bin/news/92244.jpg

:) It will go in this, already dense, section of the city. Right behind those two buildings at the front of the photo.

By NYGuy at SSP

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88981888/large.jpg

edit: nevermind

By the way, Extell has cleared (and is currently excavating) a huge site at 153-161 West 57th Street that will house another tower of 800 to 1,000 feet which is likely to be designed by Portzamparc. It will be visible in this cluster as well.

NYC RULES!!!!

:) It will go in this, already dense, section of the city. Right behind those two buildings at the front of the photo.

By NYGuy at SSP

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88981888/large.jpg

I love the 'exposed beams'. They criss cross every which way, makes for a good effect.

Great design, the MoMa will be one of the most moderns museums of all the world, like the Guggenheim of Bilbao. :cheers:

Someone put this baby in the first post.


Larger rendering:

:drool:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5305/momasf8.jpg

:drool:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5305/momasf8.th.jpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=momasf8.jpg)

Nice. I like it.

Awesome building, great style. :cheers:

spectacular tower, really amazing. I have no words to describe it. This is a super modern tower (gotham city type) although it does not abuse glass (like the towers built in dubai or most of the world). unique.

thank you new york for re-inventing the concept of skyscrper.

It has some kind of gothic air that makes it imposing.. am I the only one to feel it?

its great for ny city but it would fit beter in dubai :)

but still great ofcourse :cheers:

its great for ny city but it would fit beter in dubai :)

but still great ofcourse :cheers:

Why do you say that???!!!

just look at it, it blends perfectly.

just because it isn't the usual boxy skyscraper doesn't mean it doesn't fit in new york..

Holy shhh :drool: that is one fantastic tower. Big MoMa ! :D

Why do you say that???!!!

just look at it, it blends perfectly.

just because it isn't the usual boxy skyscraper doesn't mean it doesn't fit in new york..

I love it that newyork is going that style its just differend than the surounding buildings :)

Why do you say that???!!!

just look at it, it blends perfectly.

just because it isn't the usual boxy skyscraper doesn't mean it doesn't fit in new york..

Agreed. NYC is still a great skyscraper city, this skyscraper will only help it become better.

OMG!!! This will be a new Landmark!! i can feel it!!! Brilliant!

I wonder how many supertalls are proposed, approved, u/c, and built in NY now. There has to be around 20 now. There won't be a concrete number for a few years. Many more new ones will pop up, and I mean many.

This building is so friggin sweet!!!!!! Build it!! Build it!! Build it!! :dance:

By the way, Extell has cleared (and is currently excavating) a huge site at 153-161 West 57th Street that will house another tower of 800 to 1,000 feet which is likely to be designed by Portzamparc. It will be visible in this cluster as well.

NYC RULES!!!!

I couldnt agree with you more!! There are so many supertalls proposed/under construction/in prep right now in NYC. The Freedom Tower, 200 Greenwich St, 150 Greenwich St, the Girasole, MOMA, the Midtown Towers proposal.....and the list goes on. Slowly but surely NYC is rebuilding itself from the ashes of 911 and once again re-establishing itself as the skyscraper king!!

Amazing stuff :shocked:

amazing tower OMG! GO NY!

NYC KING OF THE WORLD!

Looks great to me :okay:

this building is amazing! really adds to midtown

That is one Angry looking building

This building is AMAZING!
VERRRYY NY love it. hope it gets built.

It reminds me of the John Hancock Ctr in Chi, it looks ok, though better renders are needed. Great to hear of another supertall for NY.

Interesting. The top of the building looks strange. I wonder how it will look from a front view rather than a side one...

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8634/nyc1panoamazinggi2.jpg

From kz1000ps at Wired New York. What an addition to the greatest skyline. MSPaint so don't whine.

someone must have killed me cause i am in heaven

It certainly makes up for the deferential and polite modernism that comprises the rest of the complex.
Hell of a skyline addition, too.

OMG, wow the best tower in NY SO FAR, WOW this is so amazing.. GO NY!

This resized rendering shows the soaring quality of this tower...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/89002860/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/89002860/large.jpg


While not the highest, the GE deck will have the best views of any observation deck
in town...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88994536/large.jpg

Is Museum Tower the name of this tower?

No, Museum Tower is that greenish building (already built) where NYguy wrote the words on that photo.

Oh nevermind, thanx, i thought that was the "place" where the tower is going to be built.. haha.

The new building will be place, where he wrote 75-story tower. ;)

That's an awsome looking building :)

That is on hell of a good looking tower. Congrats New York!:applause::cheers1:

Oh wow... A really exceptional piece of architectural engineering

:drool: From Stern at WNY...

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3070/nouvel44ej3.jpg[/

^^ oh god!!!
this is going to be bitchin!

I like this tower. The design seems to be a cross between a Foster design and a Gehry design. Very nice.

It is getting easier to build in the US for international companies, given the low dollar and labor rates.

:drool: From Stern at WNY...

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3070/nouvel44ej3.jpg[/

That's just breathtaking. I can't wait for this beauty to be built. :)

So bloody beautiful! I love it.

wow!

Wow, N.Y goes the futuristic way, very diffirent from the others in the city. A weird design but it looks very dynamic!

B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L !

go new york build it :banana:

no way . new york will remain the skyscraper city :cheers:

Really beautiful and amazing design, just love it!

so as its only proposed...how long does it usually take for planning to get approved? months or about a year?

its perfection

so as its only proposed...how long does it usually take for planning to get approved? months or about a year?

Since he bought all the air rights it is as of rights. I would say construction starts in the next 6 months or so since pre sales are at the end of 2008 (so I heard).

The apartments in this tower will sell out immediately at $5 to $6k per square foot. The press release also says that it will have a seven star hotel. I wonder if it will be a Jumeireh since they seem to have the only 7 star hotels in the world.

amazing news! How perfect can a tower be... this fits so good to NYC by shape and program! and the height is a great adition to this part of the skyline!

looks good. but getting thinner on top costs using space ...


and this is good: "But for the last few decades or so, that honor has shifted to places like Singapore, Beijing and Dubai, while Manhattan settled for the predictable"

a lot of people think it, but they say it :)

That's groovy.

The apartments in this tower will sell out immediately at $5 to $6k per square foot. The press release also says that it will have a seven star hotel. I wonder if it will be a Jumeireh since they seem to have the only 7 star hotels in the world.

How much is that in m²

http://www.archiportale.com/immagini/FileProgetto/5019_4.jpg?830,7916

more images here, a gallery with 20 high-resolution renderings :) :


http://www.archiportale.com/progetti/schedaprogetto.asp?idprog=5019&pag=1




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a modern day chrysler?

what has the design to do with the one from Chrylser building??

^^ Instantly iconic, perhaps?

Anyway, it's a wonder, for sure.

I will worship this tower if its built:banana:

Whats on the site now?

Whats on the site now?

it's an empty lot where people stand in line for free admission to the museum on (i think) wednesday nights.

This tower is just... amazing. Thanks for those hi-res renderings Caesar.:)

more images here, a gallery with 20 high-resolution renderings :) :


http://www.archiportale.com/progetti/schedaprogetto.asp?idprog=5019&pag=1

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Awesome

Well... I'm sorry but I think it's shit. :puke:

^^ Ah Ah Ah!!!!:lol:

Of course not!!! Awsome building! I don't see how this one couldn't be built as fast as humanly possible!


Did someone get a heart attack at least?

^^ i was in the middle of posting "STFU, get the fuck out!"

^^Cheers for that dude! :lol:

:lol: hahah :D

HOLYYYYYY LOL i just saw this now and my first reaction was jaw dropping :OOOO

OMG!!! Great!!!

Orgasmic!

:shocked: WOW Those new renderings are so unreal! Someone pinch me out of this dream. :poke: I think I am still dreaming.

*pinches krull*

Well... I'm sorry but I think it's shit. :puke:

You probably think everything is shit because you have a pile of dogshit in your mouth. If you clean that out, you may notice that the smell of shit has somewhat faded. Also, cut down on the number of poop sandwiches you eat.

*pinches krull*

:gaah: Ouch! Not so hard! :D


Ok I am not dreaming! What a new Icon for NYC!

you should read post 91 :sleepy:

:gaah: Ouch! Not so hard! :D


Ok I am not dreaming! What a new Icon for NYC!
:lol:

^^ Ah Ah Ah!!!!:lol:

Of course not!!! Awsome building! I don't see how this one couldn't be built as fast as humanly possible!


Did someone get a heart attack at least?

:gossip: Yes, I think you gave kingsdl76 a heart attack.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

LOL you didnt read the thread i think....he was just joking......BTW and if this was his opinion dont critisize people because they like other designs more

ohhhh this was just :bash::bash::bash:

Holy crap!

Build!

http://curbed.com/uploads/2007_11_moma1.jpg

Better quality

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/466/50194dn2.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2563/501910cp1.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/284/50192oc0.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9722/50198ib7.jpghttp://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3747/50198ze0.jpg


:drool:

I want to live and die in a tower like that. :uh:

MY mouth gets tTHAT OPEN like never before...... NYC rocks again.

I actually likie this one better than the London Shard. It's taller as well.

I actually likie this one better than the London Shard. It's taller as well.

It's funny that you mention the Shard because this reminds me of that and of the Leadenhall Tower.

This tower could become another New York City icon. Simply beautiful!

this tower is really impressive, great work Mr. Nouvel!!!!

Absolutely love the design, can't wait to see if it rises.

WOW!! New York is transforming to a Gotham City! So cool, would like to see it built!

It look nice and very modern. It changed the way we look at modern art museums (which is usually a 3 - 6 floor building). I wonder if there are other highrise museums designed like this one?

Seems like 99,9% of the people is positive about the design. So am I, Not so very tall if you see the projects around the world, but maybe the best designed 300m+ tower...

WOW, NYC really wakes up! And this tower is lovely, great in design but even better is its location in the skyline!

It is nice and different. However I think the top part, from front view, looks kinda weird.

Is someone good at photoshop and can make a pic with a view from ESB and from NJ pls?

meio torta mas muito bonita

and that on english again pls!

:banana::banana:nice one

WOW!! New York is transforming to a Gotham City! So cool, would like to see it built!

Gotham is just a New York City nickname. I'm not sure what else it is supposed to mean though.

Anyway, this is one sexy beast. Can't wait to see this thing get approval. Not too many I can think of in that neighborhood that would consider it an obstruction of the river or being built over any landmark. Great design.

Hands down, in my top 2 for best proposed tower in NYC right now. Idk why but now I would be utterly devastated if this tower wasn't built. I might go emo for a year or two. :lol:

I've seen many towers all over the world, but, without any doubt, this one's on the top. I'd like to know the height. It is at least 1,050 feet tall, maybe well over 1,100'.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7260/501910up1.jpg

just a Tad under 1,050 ft

Not until I hear it from a credible source. Just because they showed an elevation with the CB doesn't mean much.

It's funny that you mention the Shard because this reminds me of that and of the Leadenhall Tower.

Yep, that's why I mentioned the Shard. I think this one is better proportioned. And I love the cross-bracing too. In a sense, it combines the best of both the Shard and Leadenhall.

Jesus christ what the hell is that

the recent renderings looks nice

Jesus christ what the hell is that



Wow, thanks a lot, idiot! You are the first to post a negative comment about this amazing tower! YOU of all people! :lol:


According to people at WNY, this may be as tall as 1,300' (about 400m), so I'm waiting for a final number. It may be a good idea to ignore the elevation with the Chrysler Building for now because NYT doesn't match up with the renderings. They were also wrong with the final heights of the WTC.

If I had to guess, I'd say that it's around 1,100'.

Until we get more information, it's safe to say that it's taller than the Chrysler Building, so about 1,050 will do for now, but NY Times may not be on target here.

Okay people, lets not put anybody on the spot. Thanks for the pics Ebola. Moving on. I really doubt this building will stand out in the skyline. The Chrysler struggles at times to stand out when you see it from different points of the city, thats all.

Jesus christ what the hell is that

It is one hell of amazing gift to the city! :cheers: Thank you MoMa and Jean Nouvel!

^What the hell? This is a 1,000'-PLUS tall tower being built in an area with a lot of 400-700' tall towers. This will stick out a lot. The Chrysler Building's spire is a toothpick compared to this tower's spire, so this one is a major addition to the midtown skyline. I'm sure that you'd be able to see it from 80% of all angles. Even though the CB may not always look big, you can almost alwyas still see it.



Looking from this picture, it seems to be over 1,200 feet tall. The crown/spire seems to be at least 200 feet tall. I hope we get a final height seen because I'm starting to freak out.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88996867/original.jpg

I think that it's around 1,100-1,250ft. If the top usable floor is the 75 and then the crown, I'm sure it will be quite high.

:drool: Someone at Wired New York has done us the favor! Based that this one will be 1,300 feet!


By alonzo-ny (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=198877&postcount=208)

I dont think its so cut and dry, we are getting brand new mostly amazing buildings at the wtc even though they are replacing something they are still brand new.

Excuse the crappy photoshopping but i wanted an idea of how this baby will look on the skyline, hopefully im not too far off with height.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/2038457213_6cf1b1db35_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2353/2038456935_808bba5bcd_o.jpg

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2301/2038456079_919a78facc_b.jpg

Jez that is just so freakin' awesome.

Why 1,300?


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/15/arts/1115-web-MOMA.jpg


Someone at Wired New York explains...


By kz1000ps (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=198544&postcount=129)

I say ignore the Chrysler silhouette comparison and look to the render of the Nouvel among its neighboring structures and towers. From that we can deduce:

Let's use the building to the west as our ruler. It's 496 feet tall, so let's round it up to an even 500. Looking at the diagonal cross-bracing on the Nouvel's north facade, you can estimate that there are two complete "segments" of it plus the base, which looks to be about half the height of one cross-bracing segment. So figure 2 1/2 segments equals 500 feet, which makes for easy math---- one segment equals 200 feet.

NOW, there are three full segments above the 500 foot mark, plus a crown which is another segment.. that makes for a total of 6 1/2 segments at roughly 200 feet each.

And that's how I arrived at 1,300.

Of course, this rendering could be horribly off, but the Nouvel is perfectly rendered, and the surrounding buildings' massings and heights look accurate, so I think it's safe to trust this one.

I hope this will be built. It looks like a worthy addition to the NYC skyline.

I agree; I'd have to say that this tower is at least 1,200 feet, or 366 meters, tall, according to the renderings, which seem to be quite precise.

Towers like this will be popping up all over midtown. But, for now, this is the best.

god damn

Simply awesome :eek:
That's New York City's "London Shard" in a way ;)

So original and nice...
:drool:

Simply awesome :eek:
That's New York City's "London Shard" in a way ;)

Blows Shard away in my opinion.

To reiterate my first comment, that is fricking unbelievable. For a second there I thought it was the shrooms messing with me but its not. Its like i'm in the twilight zone. Is that really gonna get built here? Or in Shroom City?

great renderings!!! and yes dale, it blows shard away!

To reiterate my first comment, that is fricking unbelievable. For a second there I thought it was the shrooms messing with me but its not. Its like i'm in the twilight zone. Is that really gonna get built here? Or in Shroom City?

Should I smack you? Yes, it will be built! And, without a doubt, it's taller than the Chrysler Building. It could be as tall as 1,300, but we'll have to wait for a final height. I hate to start up rumors of how tall it could be, but, if it is indeed 1,200'+, midtown will have a building that tourists will flock to, something seen from miles in every direction, something to take pride in.

Even if she were 800 feet tall, she'd still be amazing, but she's much taller than that for sure. This is a real business area so I guess there won't be many NIMBYs.

Hands down, in my top 2 for best proposed tower in NYC right now. Idk why but now I would be utterly devastated if this tower wasn't built. I might go emo for a year or two. :lol:

Yeah me too.......

Should I smack you? Yes, it will be built! And, without a doubt, it's taller than the Chrysler Building. It could be as tall as 1,300, but we'll have to wait for a final height. I hate to start up rumors of how tall it could be, but, if it is indeed 1,200'+, midtown will have a building that tourists will flock to, something seen from miles in every direction, something to take pride in.

Even if she were 800 feet tall, she'd still be amazing, but she's much taller than that for sure. This is a real business area so I guess there won't be many NIMBYs.

Why do you want to smack me? Do I know you?

^Yes, for over a year. Stay off the shrooms.

According to a new article, construction starts in early 2009, so it's all go I hope.

OMG this is amazing, what a magnificent design. The cross bracing is perfect!!! PLEASE BUILD ME!!!!

wow I went through the posts of the renderings and that tower looks like it belongs there, it just goes so well with the surroundings.

This is a beauty--probably the best proposal I've ever seen on these pages, and a template for so many architects' efforts to marry the organic and machined. It has a sculptural presence largely absent from NY towers since the zoning laws were scrapped. Its form reminds me of some of Hugh Ferriss' envelope renderings--all of the gothic structural complication but more asymmetrical and less ponderous. Always happy to see art trump accounting. Here's a Ferriss link for reference, I had the final illustration, "Religion", in mind:http://thenonist.com/index.php/thenonist/permalink/hugh_ferriss_delineator_of_gotham/

Very well put, bluto. :okay:

wow, NYC pushing the envelope out there a little. The crossbracing looks like a spiders web, very apt for the home of Spiderman. It's really an astonishing design, and sort of makes up for the lack of progress on my other favourite NYC project, the Santiago Calatrava design at 80 South Street.

You'll probably this under construction sooner than us with the Shard........ bloody credit crunch funding issues!

I want to marry this tower :|

Wonderful tower for a wonderful city , Great job Jeannot!!

Is it safe to say that this will be NY's 21st century equivalent of the Chrysler Building? :)

To me, the beauty of NY is that this extraordinary tower will be located a few buildings down the street from these classic gems. London is probably the only other city that has such a juxtaposition of classic and ultramodern structures sitting side-by-side.

http://www.startsandfits.com/hardenbergh/images/murray.jpg

From MoMa's rooftop garden:
http://wirednewyork.com/museums/moma/moma_sculpture_garden.jpg

Photo courtesy of www.nyc-architecture.com
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID048-01.jpg

New York is really a great city, I believe, and I will go there!

oh yea, new New York

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/32340/2000975181326604311_rs.jpg

Wow, that is super good Omar! I can't wait for these buildings to rise up!

I know Dubai is trying to make itself the Skyscraper City of the future but, I don't think anywhere could ever beat New York!

New York is really a great city, I believe, and I will go there!

You better go!!....and I wanna party with you Mr.!!!!

oh yea, new New York

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/32340/2000975181326604311_rs.jpg

When the all the buildings of the Freedom Tower complex are completed and if the Moma Tower, Girasole and Midtown towers are all built, then in my opinion, NYC will have the greatest skyline in the world again!!

Plus imagine what else will be in the pipeline by then!!....holla!!!

IMO NYC will noone beat, it has class its vibrant, it has live in it....everything in it, the skyline is personal not like in upcoming cities just a clusetr of unpersonal bldgs....it ha the diversivity of more than 100 years of bulding skyscrapers its a natural grown city.....mhhhh IMO NYC rocks now ,had rocked and will rock

last pic is sexy!

i love that rendering, and that's only the west side of Midtown! :)

When the all the buildings of the Freedom Tower complex are completed and if the Moma Tower, Girasole and Midtown towers are all built, then in my opinion, NYC will have the greatest skyline in the world again!!

again??? :lol:, NY since the first skyscraper NY had the best skyline in the world ^^

Great pic/rendering Don Omar.

Wonderful project! :)
I hope it'll getting build! So high and thin... and futuristic!
Nouvel rocks!
Go NYC :)

When the all the buildings of the Freedom Tower complex are completed and if the Moma Tower, Girasole and Midtown towers are all built,



Ya know I'm not 100% sure so if I am wrong so be it. I think Girasole is under construction already or under prep and that Hudson Yards is a go and awaiting a bid winner.

^^ Edit** just checked and the Hudson Yards actually has a few i's to dot and t's to cross.

I really really hope this gets built. New York has a lot of skyscraper catching up to do.

^ How do you figure that?

I really really hope this gets built. New York has a lot of skyscraper catching up to do.

:llama: attention whore




another Dubai whore in da house

OMG!!! This will be a new Landmark!! i can feel it!!! Brilliant!

Maybe it will be the "Swiss Re" of NY.

I can't believe one simple comment can send a whole group of people into madness. Just shows how immature many are, complete phsychos...

After seeing the MOMA in the skyline picture above Im beginning to love it now. That is one kick ass building.

oh yea, new New York

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/32340/2000975181326604311_rs.jpgThe Girasole and the Sherwood tower is not tall enough because they are closer from that view and the MOMA tower is too tall because it is further away on 6th Ave. Otherwise everything else looks accurate. If you want to you can also add in the River Place II towers that is underconstruction right now. It should be to the right of the Atelier.

Ya know I'm not 100% sure so if I am wrong so be it. I think Girasole is under construction already or under prep and that Hudson Yards is a go and awaiting a bid winner.

^^ Edit** just checked and the Hudson Yards actually has a few i's to dot and t's to cross.

Yeah the Girasole is already in the excavating process. There's a few pics in it's thread.

This is a very interesting tower, what I like most about it is it's location, right down the center line of midtown, I cannot think of a better location for a tower like this, and the design is simply awesome, the haphazard, yet totally functional diagonal bracing, and the curtain wall, esp. were it ends at the top, simply awesome.

just a great, wonderfull, 1000+ footer, for New York city, my fingers are crossed that this one goes up....

Lovely Tower! it will be surely a landmark for NYC!

good! another supertall for new york!:applause:

love it!!!!!!!!!! i hope it gets approved.

I love it!!!! looks like it is made of branches!!! and the trees in the render make it look ad-hoc to the site.

I love it! It just came out of right field (nowhere for non-yanks).

Catching up? New York has far more skyscrapers built (203) than any other city in the world.

I do hope it doesn't teke too long to approve it and start.
Any suggestions on how long it will take?

Catching up? New York has far more skyscrapers built (203) than any other city in the world.


I think it has way more than that. Who cares about the numbers anyway? NY has catching up to do to noone except itslef and perhaps... Chicago (an inner US pride thing that is).
NY ain't competing with Dubai, Beijing or any other of those semi-eye-candy empty-ish artificial places. NY is vibrant, lively, and yep indeed needs a bit more innovative design with its future tall buildings but that's it. NY will stay on top for a looooooong time! And rightly so.

Well this is now my favourite project in the world at the moment. I'll have to go back to New York to see this once its complete...if it gets built.

OMG fantastic!

There will be solar panels and wind turbines in the spire, like the old Freedom Tower. NY is leading in green skyscrapers recently.

i hope we'll get the final height soon, can't wait :)

it looks like an "evil" building... but i like that. no other building has made me feel like that before

There will be solar panels and wind turbines in the spire, like the old Freedom Tower. NY is leading in green skyscrapers recently.

I don't think the NYC, or the US in general, is leading in green anything.

I don't think the NYC, or the US in general, is leading in green anything.

I know! I shouldn't have said anything positive about something about the US because I could never be right!
A perfect dee dee dee comment. All of NY newest and largest skyscrapers are going to be green; in fact, the people who designed BoA want it to be the greenest ever built in the world. It's something that's really catching on. First it was 4 Times Square, then a few years later 7WTC and Hearst, and now its almost every prominent skyscraper planned and u/c in the city.

I don't think the NYC, or the US in general, is leading in green anything.
The One Bryant Park is going to be the world's tallest green building...

only for now, the new lighthouse tower in dubai is "greener" and 400m tall :)

very nice

only for now, the new lighthouse tower in dubai is "greener" and 400m tall :)

and the one in Dubai is goign to be the same, since this one is supposed to be even greener. As for the height, really doesn't matter since this skyscraper beats any building made in Dubai for its style :lol: (even though the lighthouse has a design better than most of the buildings in Dubai)

As for the building, it could become easily my favorite skyscraper in the world, unique in its "dark" style, elegance and beauty.
Perfect

I think I need to see more renders from different angles because I'm not really feeling it with this one.

Wow what an amazin design, i agree with those that say its the best design in New York at the moment!! Its on such a small site too!!!

Omg this must be one of the most beautilful plans in new york for a long time :tongue4:
It is good to see New York finally coming up with something that is unique, and just looks like a classic:)

If they build this I would gladly SWIM across the atlantic to visit it:lol:

What's going to be the NIMBY exxcuse this time? It's too taawwwll! It's too beautiful and therefore will attract too many unwanted people to an area that's already packed. It's too imposing. Cut off 72 floors and we'll stop moaning and whining.

This skyscraper is beautiful. Jean Nouvel is my personal god!

I like it.... I like it a lot.

Almost constructivist in it's design, I would love to see this built, it's the kind of architectural stimulation NYC really needs.

What's going to be the NIMBY exxcuse this time? It's too taawwwll! It's too beautiful and therefore will attract too many unwanted people to an area that's already packed. It's too imposing. Cut off 72 floors and we'll stop moaning and whining.

^^ this is good. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

What's going to be the NIMBY exxcuse this time? It's too taawwwll! It's too beautiful and therefore will attract too many unwanted people to an area that's already packed. It's too imposing. Cut off 72 floors and we'll stop moaning and whining.


For once, I couldn't agree more with you on this one!

I like it.... I like it a lot.

Almost constructivist in it's design, I would love to see this built, it's the kind of architectural stimulation NYC really needs.

New York City? I'd say the entire world needs this architectural stimulation (especially cities like Las Vegas and Dubai where too many times buildings have laughable designs.
There is no such thing as this tower... amazing!

I haven't heard much recently about this one; I hope they can pull it through.

WOW. This is the first time I've properly seen this.

Utterly amazing. Instant icon.

Please build this very soon. I hope it's around 400m as it seems slender in proportion yet makes a bold impact on the skyline.

Best proposal in the world IMO. NYC is going through a rennaissance - there are so many amazing (and tall) buildings proposed.

Update:

This skyscraper is 1,150 feet tall, 100 feet taller than the Chrysler Building, or 350 meters.



December 4 2007

The proposal, at 53 W. 53rd St, commissioned by real estate firm Hines, comprises 75 storeys of accommodation and, at 350m, pierces the skyline at a height between the Empire State and Chrysler Buildings. It will embrace 5,000 square metres of extra accommodation for MoMA, which will expand into its lower floors, above retail provision, while the upper floors will house a seven-star hotel sharing services with the 120 or so (extremely) top-end condominiums above.

Nouvel runs through a presentation on his laptop, showing proposals for the night-time lighting of the building (“it will make it look like it has blood running through the veins of the structure,” he grins), the extraordinary interiors (“the structure becomes the space, we don’t need interior decorators here,” he grins again) and renderings of the pool and the gallery.

Sounds creepy:lol:

wonderful, another great news for NY today :)

Well, at least we know the exact height now. This article looks promising, especially the lighting of the tower. Thanks for posting.

A new highest for N:Y:C it will be great!

350m?

highest?? who said that tower will be NYs tallest?

Looks really nice but too much non-habitable structure at the top....

Now I really want to see some night time renders for this tower. It sounds like it will be stunning!

^^Me too! Especially with its usage of that somewhat "semi"-transparent glass cladding. This tower looks so great!

This and Burj Dubai are my favourite of all time.
The design is just beautiful.

I thought the current plot is going under demolition.
so should the title be changed to Demo?

Absolutely stunning building. Best thing for me in NYC since Seagram at least. Certainly on par and probably surpassing London's own Shard and Leadenhall Tower as another poster mentioned. Rather jealous but extremely impressed! One of the very best tall buildings of the decade.

New Yorkers, you are the envy of the world

The height in the title currently still may be too short. There may be different versions like someone stated before.

A recent article has stated that it is 1,200 feet tall.

I'm too lazy to find it, but I'm sure someone else will post it soon. It mentioned stuff about how buildings in NY are getting too tall and how there needs to be stricter zoning laws to prevent taller buildings; therefore, I don't want to see it again. Freaking NIMBYs; this is Manhattan Island; there should be no limits and zoning at all at least in business districts and the areas that are already packed with towers; in this city, you go big and tall or you go unnoticed.

I agree, how do people expect Manhattan to grow? Growth is inevitable and at even a modest rate, Manhattan should go higher, unless this wouldn't be the case if you were anti growth. I like that we can go higher low the nice lowrise stuff can stay.

I'm in love with it! Both the design and the principle! So is there a height restriction in Manhattan?

There's a height restriction across the whole of america of 2000ft I believe unless the structure would bbenefit from being taller such as radio masts.

good

enjoy..:)
models:
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/structure-copieversion2-copie.jpg
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/a1.jpg
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/54-1.jpg
renders:
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/c.jpg
restaurant:
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/restaurant.jpg
residential:
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/room.jpg
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/privatroom2.jpg
pool:
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/pool.jpg
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/insider3.jpg
entrance:
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/entreejn-copie2.jpg
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/zoom-entrance.jpg

:cheers:, wonderful renders. NY needs this tower!!

World class.

The architecture is amazingly simmilar (in its due proportions) to the Nest, the Olympic Beijing Stadium, when seen from inside. That is very nice, altogether with its mixed residential, commercial and public (museum) use. Very innovative, I hope it sets new standards for all the biggest metro areas around the world, including mine!

The building seems a lot like the previous Freedom Tower, I like it, although its a bit abstract.

^^ How do you mean abstract? Anyway, imho this building is better than any version of the FT ever rendered.

how far do we actualy stand here?? no news for app.? or somthing else ?

Construction is not set to start until next year.

According to Hines (the developer) he will start presales sometime mid-year.

aaaaaaaaaaaaa how much i'd give to be 10 yrs older and rich ;|

i'm really excited for this

Architecturally, this is my favorite skyscraper project in the US. It's just an incredible design. New York needs this, and I certainly hope construction starts no later than next year.

All those trusses are just too oversized, instead of charming they look way too scary to live in.,thus more like a birdcage instead of 5-star living tower.

is this actually going to be built?

not sure until now but IMO it has good chances

I hope it will, it is definitely one of the best ,,organic" skyscrapers proposed. Much better than the 2nd tallest I remember now, Tour Phare (Paris, 300m) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=17790220&postcount=851). This one has got style and would be a good enrichment for NY skyline with this height. :okay:

stunning

I heard that the current plot is being cleared out/demo ready for this project.

any pics ?^^

^^ How do you mean abstract? Anyway, imho this building is better than any version of the FT ever rendered.

Who said it looks worse than the old Freedom Tower, I only said the general structure and skeleton-like appearance was similar.

Well if the site demo is already underway that would be outstanding, becouse i can't wait for this to actually start rising above the street, it has a highly interesting (to me anyway) structural system, and watching them come together is my favorite part of the construction process, esp. if its structural steel...!!!

This building looks great. It will make a great addition to the NY skyline. Imagine the views from it too! Stunning.

There's a height restriction across the whole of america of 2000ft I believe unless the structure would bbenefit from being taller such as radio masts.

It is not so much a restriction as simply a guideline. Anyone building a tower over 2000 feet may request approval from the FCC, which imposed this regulation in the first place. The FAA does not impose this limit, though I'm certain that in a high air traffic area such as NYC they would have a say.