Terengganu to push for bullet train network
Friday November 16, 2007
TheStar


KUALA TERENGGANU: The Terengganu government hopes to lobby its Federal counterpart to review the former’s proposal for a bullet train network in the Eastern Corridor Economic Region (ECER) masterplan.

State Infrastructure, Public Amenities and Communications Committee chairman Datuk Wan Hisham Wan Salleh said the state was disappointed upon learning that the proposal was overlooked when the ECER masterplan was unveiled.

“Hopefully, the proposal will be reviewed to complement the development plan,” he said after taking nine orphans aged between three and nine on a shopping spree at the newly-opened Giant Hypermarket here recently.

Wan Hisham said the bullet train proposal was to link Kuala Terengganu, Kuantan and Kuala Lumpur.

Under the proposal, the train was to link Kuala Terengganu, Dungun, Kerteh, Kemaman and several towns in Pahang before reaching KL Sentral.

Such link can halve the travel time from Kuala Terengganu to Kuala Lumpur, which currently takes seven to eight hours by trunk roads.

The train can travel at between 200 and 320 km/h, depending on the track and train specifications.

Wan Hisham said the state had identified the areas the track would pass through if the project was approved.

Terengganu to push for bullet train network

Wan Hisham said the bullet train proposal was to link Kuala Terengganu, Kuantan and Kuala Lumpur.

Under the proposal, the train was to link Kuala Terengganu, Dungun, Kerteh, Kemaman and several towns in Pahang before reaching KL Sentral.


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Plan To Introduce Kuantan-KL High-Speed Train By 2015
December 19, 2006 22:51 PM


KUANTAN, Dec 19 (Bernama) -- Travel by train from Kuala Lumpur to this Pahang capital will be faster than by road by 2015 if a high-speed train service between the two destinations becomes a reality.

This is part of a proposal in the National Physical Plan to turn Kuantan into the eastern region's main conurbation centre, said Director-General of Town and Country Planning, Peninsular Malaysia, Datuk Mohd Fadzil Mohd Khir.

He said the proposal would be implemented under four-core development projects of the Kuantan District Locality Plan 2004-2015.

"Travel time for cargo and passenger trains will be shortened when the service is commissioned," he said at the publicity campaign of the draft of the Kuantan District Locality Plan launched by Johor Local Government and Environment Committee Chairman Datuk Hoh Khai Mun, here Tuesday.

The text of Mohd Fadzil's speech was read out by the Deputy Director-General I Kamalruddin Shamsudin.

Mohd Fadzil said the plan also spelt out sustainable conservation of sensitive environmental areas including forest reserves, coastal areas, swampy land, natural lakes and hilly areas in the town.

He said the plan proposed to gazette the turtle landing area in Cendur as a national turtle sanctuary and to develop the former Sungai Lembing mine as a tourist attraction.

The public is invited to comment on the draft prepared by the Kuantan Municipal Council. It will be displayed for one month.

-- BERNAMA

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crazy!

The poverty rate in the east coast is still huge..i don't think the local people can afford to take bullet train as the main tranportation unless the government subsidize 90% of the cost.

A bit early i guess, however it is good for state to plan for railway as i don't see any plan for railway in east coast....

The poverty rate in the east coast is still huge..i don't think the local people can afford to take bullet train as the main tranportation unless the government subsidize 90% of the cost.

But... isn&t Terengganu the 2nd richest state in Malaysia ?? after KL ?

But... isn&t Terengganu the 2nd richest state in Malaysia ?? after KL ?

You must be kidding. Second poorest maybe.

Per-capita GDP ( nominal ) for Malaysian states 2007

National average - RM19,739 = $ 5,875

1)Kuala Lumpur - RM36,597 = US$ 10,892 = ( Hungary )
2)Penang -RM27,391 = $ 8,152 = ( Mexico )
3)Terengganu -RM27,140 = $ 8,077 = ( Mexico )
4)Selangor -RM23,333 = $ 6,944 = ( Botswana )
5) Melaka - RM19,436 =$ 5,785 = ( Malaysia )
6) Johor RM18,175 = $ 5,409 = ( Turkey )
7) Negri Sembilan -RM17,182 = $ 5,114 = ( Mauritius )
8) Sarawak -RM17,004 = $ 5,061 = ( Kazakhstan )
9) Perak -RM15,458 =$ 4,601 = ( Costa Rica )
10)Pahang -RM12,384 = $ 3,686 = ( Dominican Republic )
11)Perlis -RM12,302 = $ 3,661 = ( Dominican Republic )
12) Sabah RM11,414 = $ 3,397 = ( Algeria )
13) Kedah -RM11,161 = $3,322 = ( Peru )
14) Kelantan -RM7,500 = $2,232 = ( Ukraine )

^^

Population (absolute number, density) is also a factor for any rail project and this one is no exception.....

Also, the expansion of the KT airport and the LPT, wouldn't that make the plan for HSR less feasible?

^^ Terengganu doesn't need Bullet train... but it needs normal train service which runs between 120-150 km/h . Same as Kuantan .

I too thought if a 200-300kmph train service was necessary. A lot of other things can be done to help the population before they need a bullet train service.

If so, why not look at Maglev. Can push the travel time ever lower eh?

I dunno...Im starting to like the way they are thinking....

first, state-wide public transportation, now HSR :p

Maybe they have realized that they are flush with money but most of it is going to the federal government...and but they would rather see it spent it back in Terengganu...:banana:

Yes, improved air links are a big deal, but public transportation is still necessary at the beginning and the end of the trip....

And in fact, we can stretch the definition of public transportation (ie a vehicle that is not owned by a private individual, used for the transportation of multiple passengers on a "fixed" route system....we can say that airlines are a form of public transportation...with "sky high" prices... (pardon the pun)...

When we get down to earth, we realize that public transportation is still necessary even with air links...do you want travellers to be stuck using taxies???

Hmmmmm....HSR by Malaysian standards...maybe not 200-300 km/h but still getting better and better...

If only other states were as keen on rail and public transportation....

Cheers, m

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I think instead of using the money to build the train... why not use those ringgit in improving the life of citizens there, build whatever necessary to prevent flood during monsoon...

Why do you need a highspeed train when the service may be not functional when there's flood... solve the problem before you create another one...

bullet train to trengganu shud have characteristics of bcoming 'penyu-let' train bila tiba musim tengkujuh.. heh heh

bullet train to trengganu shud have characteristics of bcoming 'penyu-let' train bila tiba musim tengkujuh.. heh heh


hehe...agreed!

Too ambitious but please solve the annual monsoon flooding problem first!

siao...

They talking rubbish and nonsense :bash:...this project not feasible and if they really want to build HSR please start with JB/Nusajaya to KL, and soon after that KL-Butterworth..

From now on, with current state of country financial, building EDT in East Coast and connect to Klang Valley is more than enough...

highway also don't have (under construction) want high speed rail for what?

basic railway system also don't have want high speed rail already, it is just like those...

want to run even don't know how to crawl, don't know how to walk.

Dream on!!!!!!!!

cube cheack kat EPU..mmg ade cadangan drpd EPU berkaitan train...ape yg aku bace EPU cadangkan kpd kerajaan utk membina elec train rail dari butterworth to kota bharu

highway also don't have (under construction) want high speed rail for what?

basic railway system also don't have want high speed rail already, it is just like those...

want to run even don't know how to crawl, don't know how to walk.not so different from the plan to build monorail in Penang, or LRT in Klang Valley.

They only see the glory & the sexy train & the size of the ... project

Cheers, m

Per-capita GDP ( nominal ) for Malaysian states 2007

National average - RM19,739 = $ 5,875

1)Kuala Lumpur - RM36,597 = US$ 10,892 = ( Hungary )
2)Penang -RM27,391 = $ 8,152 = ( Mexico )
3)Terengganu -RM27,140 = $ 8,077 = ( Mexico )
4)Selangor -RM23,333 = $ 6,944 = ( Botswana )
5) Melaka - RM19,436 =$ 5,785 = ( Malaysia )
6) Johor RM18,175 = $ 5,409 = ( Turkey )
7) Negri Sembilan -RM17,182 = $ 5,114 = ( Mauritius )
8) Sarawak -RM17,004 = $ 5,061 = ( Kazakhstan )
9) Perak -RM15,458 =$ 4,601 = ( Costa Rica )
10)Pahang -RM12,384 = $ 3,686 = ( Dominican Republic )
11)Perlis -RM12,302 = $ 3,661 = ( Dominican Republic )
12) Sabah RM11,414 = $ 3,397 = ( Algeria )
13) Kedah -RM11,161 = $3,322 = ( Peru )
14) Kelantan -RM7,500 = $2,232 = ( Ukraine )

GDP per capita does not equal to Average Household Income. Terengganu is rich because of their oil fields, but only a litte people get benefit from the oil, many of them still live in poverty.

petroleum can be transported at high speed?
I think it is the petronas idea

First i think this project will not successful. Even HSR project in Taiwan also failed. Every year losing money. The reason is because Malaysia dont have the population to sustain the project. Second reason ppl in Terengganu most of them are poor they dont even have extra money to dressup them self need not to say riding HSR train to KL?

I think goverment should instead use the fund of building HSR to create more job opportunities for Terengganu. The terengganu ppl need more high-income job instead of High Speed Rail.

As a businessman in Terengganu i felt pathetic for Terengganu ppl espeacially the rural malays. Their buying power are so low. They cant even to buy clothe every month. They only spend money once a year espeacially Hari Raya. Economy in Terengganu are dead but state government are rich because of oil wells. I cant imagine if one day all the oil wells run dry what will happen to Terengganu Economy.

Even the oil royalty of RM 1 Billion paid to Terengganu state doesnt help at all. It only enriching those cronies who get the projects. Majority of the rural Malays are still very poor. Try to imagine their average wages of working in Kuala Terengganu are around RM 450. How to live?

I'm so sad for Terengganu.

THe state government almost thinking like North Korea. Building huge projects that is expensive to flaunt their economy power. Pls u Terrengganu government should think about the ppl 1st but not the money.
And, turtles may not come to terengganu because scared of the HSR.:lol::cheers:

Kereta api laju di Terengganu
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KUALA TERENGGANU 11 Mei - Kerajaan negeri sedang menyiapkan kajian terakhir bagi membolehkan perkhidmatan kereta api laju yang bakal menghubungkan Kuala Lumpur-Kelantan pada masa depan turut dipanjangkan ke negeri ini.

Pengerusi Jawatankuasa Pembangunan Infrastruktur dan Kemudahan Awam negeri, Datuk Za'abar Mohd. Adib berkata, pihaknya sudah mengambil langkah proaktif bagi tujuan tersebut untuk kemudahan rakyat.

Beliau memberitahu, sehingga kini, pelbagai usaha telah dilaksanakan bagi merealisasikan hasrat itu termasuk persediaan membentuk sebuah jawatankuasa pemandu dan pelaksana.

Malah jelasnya, Kolej TATI di Kemaman juga telah menyatakan kesediaan menawarkan program pengajian berkaitan silibus lokomotif yang turut membantu kerajaan menjayakan hasrat tersebut.

"Kerajaan negeri sudah ambil tindakan proaktif supaya projek kereta api laju dari Kuala Lumpur ke Kelantan dapat dipanjangkan ke Terengganu," katanya sewaktu menggulung perbahasan pada Sidang Dewan Undangan Negeri, di sini hari ini.

Za'abar berkata, apabila silibus lokomotif mula diperkenalkan di TATI kelak, beliau percaya kolej universiti itu merupakan satu-satunya institusi pengajian tinggi yang menawarkan pengajian seumpama itu di rantau Asia Tenggara.

"Saya difahamkan, satu MoU (perjanjian persefahaman) telah dimeterai antara TATI dengan pihak berkenaan yang kemungkinan satu silibus lokomotif dapat diperkenalkan di kolej universiti berkenaan," ujarnya.

Di samping itu, kata beliau, pihaknya juga sedang berusaha untuk melaksanakan projek landasan ujian di negeri ini sebagai langkah persediaan ke arah penyediaan perkhidmatan kereta api laju di Terengganu.

Pada masa sama, katanya, kerajaan negeri turut membuat persediaan bagi mewujudkan industri menghasilkan produk berupa gerabak keretapi di Teluk Kalong, Kemaman pada masa akan datang.

bagai menunggu kucing bertanduk je projek ni......

this talk is garbage and the feasibility of running a high speed train on that route is insane! first no offense to orang pantai timur but advance in forward thinking and tolerance before embarking on such projects...

As a businessman in Terengganu i felt pathetic for Terengganu ppl espeacially the rural malays. Their buying power are so low. They cant even to buy clothe every month. They only spend money once a year espeacially Hari Raya. Economy in Terengganu are dead but state government are rich because of oil wells. I cant imagine if one day all the oil wells run dry what will happen to Terengganu Economy.

Even the oil royalty of RM 1 Billion paid to Terengganu state doesnt help at all. It only enriching those cronies who get the projects. Majority of the rural Malays are still very poor. Try to imagine their average wages of working in Kuala Terengganu are around RM 450. How to live?

I'm so sad for Terengganu.

buying clothe once a year?!!oh great lord.i beg to differ. i don't know which period of terengganu people you were referring to but it is preposterous. if that the case, most of the clothing baazar in terengganu will be closed down very shortly ( which i could see their business running so well..try to imagine my neighbour could own mercedes merely by selling clothes in jertih). yeah...terengganu people might not know any branded retailers but don't deny their buying power.

and you have to know that majority of people live in the city ( where i can call it neither a city or a kampong. may be small town would be suitable)

if you were in terengganu, especially in kuala terengganu, you probably drive through padang hiliran where you can see many people flock in giant and mydin hypermart, the car park seems have no empty space and they are buying stuffs like no tomorrow.it also will cause a traffic headache particularly in the evening.anywhere i go, McD, KFC and pizza hut mostly full-house.

average wages of working in kuala terengganu are around RM450?!:lol::lol::lol:
in 2005 alone the average salary had increased to RM2,000++. RM 450 may be for 'pembantu kedai runcit' i suppose ( but t'ganu people can't all be pembantu kedai runcit', right?!. they could be doctors, lawyers,teachers and business men like you~ my friend own the business empire of keropok lekor from his family's legacy and you know what?, the profits are surmountable!!

terengganu certainly has poor people.so do the other state in the country. but the way you wrote as though you were pointing out that all the t'ganu people are poor,hopeless and pathetic.

after all,i quite dislike the project though. better focus on sing-KL first or establish train connection between KB-KT-Kuantan.high-speed train is too ambitious project for a GE candy.

LOL.. Lawaknya.. ahahaha.

Economic hub of Penang and south Kedah pun dapat electrified double-track train system... Even project 2T ni pun especially yang bahagian Kedah pun still dok samar2 tentang feasibility.

^^ Betul tu bro.

I think "High-speed train" up to 160-180 km/hour for Terengganu might be okay for the future. But if they build "Bullet train" ( >250 km/h ) this is what we must disagree. Terengganu is not as developed or as densely-populated as Taiwan, Japan, etc.

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buying clothe once a year?!!oh great lord.i beg to differ. i don't know which period of terengganu people you were referring to but it is preposterous. if that the case, most of the clothing baazar in terengganu will be closed down very shortly ( which i could see their business running so well..try to imagine my neighbour could own mercedes merely by selling clothes in jertih). yeah...terengganu people might not know any branded retailers but don't deny their buying power.

and you have to know that majority of people live in the city ( where i can call it neither a city or a kampong. may be small town would be suitable)

if you were in terengganu, especially in kuala terengganu, you probably drive through padang hiliran where you can see many people flock in giant and mydin hypermart, the car park seems have no empty space and they are buying stuffs like no tomorrow.it also will cause a traffic headache particularly in the evening.anywhere i go, McD, KFC and pizza hut mostly full-house.

average wages of working in kuala terengganu are around RM450?!:lol::lol::lol:
in 2005 alone the average salary had increased to RM2,000++. RM 450 may be for 'pembantu kedai runcit' i suppose ( but t'ganu people can't all be pembantu kedai runcit', right?!. they could be doctors, lawyers,teachers and business men like you~ my friend own the business empire of keropok lekor from his family's legacy and you know what?, the profits are surmountable!!

terengganu certainly has poor people.so do the other state in the country. but the way you wrote as though you were pointing out that all the t'ganu people are poor,hopeless and pathetic.

after all,i quite dislike the project though. better focus on sing-KL first or establish train connection between KB-KT-Kuantan.high-speed train is too ambitious project for a GE candy.

Wow.. 2K++ in year 2005? Thats is like more than Klang Valley average too..
I wonder why many east peninsula Malaysian migrated to KV to find jobs.. :cheers:

this project might sound crazy but i do believe that it is feasible and will give economy benefits to those affected. The demand is there if KL-Kuantan-kemaman-kerteh-KT-KB is propose. There are lots of so called "weekend-husband" for this corridor that travel extensive to KL during the weekend. Most notably from petronas staff.

in fact, there are tons of east coast ppls living and working in KL which only once in a year making the trip back to their hometown. Long journey making the main reason i believe.This project mostly will not targeted the ppl living in east coast side, the target market will be more on ppls in Klang Valley, i think. It worsen during the festive season. Someone even took 10-12hrs from KL to KB. If there is a train that can connect KL-KB within 2hrs surely it will be a hit. Not only that, im sure there are tons of ppl living in Klang Valley that never set their foot on east coast side. This will be a good break for ppls from the city, dont u guys tired of going to the shopping malls every other weekend?? If there is a train with 2hrs travelling time frm KL to KT, im sure lots of ppls will visit KT/KB. Beaches in east coast is among the best.

With the train services u guys will not have the limitation of luggage as imposed by the AA. Surely this will help keropok lekor or other bisness in KT/KB :lol:

apart from sabah/sarawak, most of oil&gas activity is on the east coast side of peninsula why the money being spend for the west coast development only?? :D

But still, i believe this project will not materialize in the short term, but i hope in the next decades we will have it. If not bullet train, it will be enough to have a ETS that can travel 150-200 :cheers:

Petronas paid for i heard, 70% seat on each Firefly flight to and from Kerteh to make the route feasible. The route has previously been operated by MHS Beech 1900D. The re tender the route and firefly emerged winner.

Even then it's not that full.

Petronas only paid the flight to its staff with business in KL only. If petronas paid 70%, thats mean their load is 70% as well which i think shld be good for them...Besides, they only have a flight from Monday to thursday. If im not mistaken, they dont have Friday-Sunday slots which usually where the demand is. But then, the tix price is super expensive for 1hr flight which cost us around rm200-rm300 one way. if the train can cost us below rm150(return) and travelling time within 2hrs... i dont see why it cannot work.

actually petronas paid a fixed number of seats..not just tickets to staff travelling. That's why MHS used to have some kinda fixed charter flight with two Beechcraft long time ago..to cater for MHS staff and some Petronas staff. However since the headcount growing they need a larger aircraft and thus the bid for the route was opened. I actually like the idea of Firefly plying this subsidised route instead of MHS because people like me who like to visit Kerteh have the chance to buy ticket and land closer to Kemaman and Kerteh. Terengganu is the only state that has 2 airports that is served by scheduled airline in Peninsular.

i agree FY ticket actually on the higher side...should do more to bring the cost down..

actually petronas paid a fixed number of seats..not just tickets to staff travelling. That's why MHS used to have some kinda fixed charter flight with two Beechcraft long time ago..to cater for MHS staff and some Petronas staff. However since the headcount growing they need a larger aircraft and thus the bid for the route was opened. I actually like the idea of Firefly plying this subsidised route instead of MHS because people like me who like to visit Kerteh have the chance to buy ticket and land closer to Kemaman and Kerteh. Terengganu is the only state that has 2 airports that is served by scheduled airline in Peninsular.

i agree FY ticket actually on the higher side...should do more to bring the cost down..
Kedah tak kira? Ahahaha.. Langkawi and Alor Setar.

Petronas paid for i heard, 70% seat on each Firefly flight to and from Kerteh to make the route feasible. The route has previously been operated by MHS Beech 1900D. The re tender the route and firefly emerged winner.

Even then it's not that full.have to wonder, how would the Firefly load factor be if there was passenger rail between Kerteh & Kuantan?

Cheers, m