It was a rocky game against Northeastern, but the Terps are 3-0. We've got UCLA on Monday, so I figured I'd go ahead and create this thread while we're still undefeated.

Please discuss Maryland Terrapins basketball...

If there's anyone digging this thread its me.

We're really young. The good thing is that there is talent, it just has to be developed. Gary does as good a job at that as any coach in the country.

The one thing I wish I had more insight into is coaching staff chemistry. Adams left abruptly citing personal issues - his son is in high school and he wants to see all of his games. Bullshit. Its been rumored that Adams hasn't been exactly thrilled to be here. I guess that makes sense. He was a pro coach in the WNBA. That isn't as grueling as coaching under a future HOFer at a program that is among the best in the nation and has historically been better than every ACC basketball program not named Duke and Carolina. I'm sure Gary's been applying the pressure this season. We haven't exactly been blowing out teams. We didn't pull away from Hampton until late in that game. Northeastern took us to overtime. We've got to improve before ACC play starts. Maybe Adams (and the few million dollars Im sure he still has from his pro days) didn't want to deal with that. I dunno.

UCLA will certainly provide a test. I think we'll fail that test. Badly. I'm prepping myself for a 1995 1st round NCAA tournament-type showing from the Terps. :-(

I'm usually really good about putting my fandom aside and being fair about where this team will place in the ACC> I haven't seen too much ACC basketball yet this season, but I hear Miami could be a surprise. We'll see.

oh, and I'm assuming we'll also be talking ACC basketball here, too.

I've seen Duke play this year. No way in hell they are a top-10 team. They'll struggle to finish over .500 in the league again this season. IIRC, they get Carolina, Maryland and NC State twice. Thats nearly half their ACC games right there. But ESPN wants you to drink the Kool-Aid.

even though the season just started, the terps look a bit shaky so far. hampton gave them one hell of a game and n'eastern didn't lose too badly either. i believe we'll see the terps back in the ncaa tournament. i must admit that i'm a little disgusted that my beloved miami hurricanes are once again picked to finish near the bottom of the ACC. as usual, unc & duke are picked at 1 & 2.

Love to see the Terps go all the way this year! :yes: :)

Unlikely. I hate to say it -- I like Gary Williams -- but I think we won't go deep into the NCAAs without a coaching change.

Unlikely. I hate to say it -- I like Gary Williams -- but I think we won't go deep into the NCAAs without a coaching change.

Are you one of the one's who said this pre-2002, too?

Are you one of the one's who said this pre-2002, too?

Nope. I feel like Gary's lost some of his edge and some of his team discipline since the championship.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm a big Terps fan, and historically, a big Gary fan. But in recent years, the teams have underperformed relative to their talent, rather than the reverse (pre- and during 2002). Too many attitude issues, too many organizational questions, and they always seem like they are one expose away from NCAA sanctions for recruiting practices.

I hope I'm wrong. :cheers:

Haha, it took all of fifteen minutes for the guy with the Gary Williams avatar to hunt down that negative Gary Williams comment ;) Actually, I'm with you on this one, waj (assuming you actually are a Gary Williams supporter). I think he's still one of the best coaches in the country and I'm anxious to see what he can do with this young team. Hopefully, he can do with Braxton Dupree what he did with Juan.

It'll probably take a few games, as it always does, for the Terps to fall into place, but I think we're going to learn a lot tonight.

^^ Yeah, I was waiting for waj to jump on my comments. :)

LOL...you guys are something else. Expect a lot from me in this thread. It's early still, but come late-December, I'll already be in mid-season form.

I'm a Gary fan and supporter, but not an apologist. I'm really as fair and balanced as they come. With that said, I happen to think it'd be silly to count Maryland out of a deep run in the NCAAs. Gary Williams has his faults as a recruiter (and just as a stubborn old man), but he can still coach circles around 97% of coaches in America. You don't build his resume by chance. The man is a helluva tactician. He'll be in the HOF (college and Naismith) before he retires.

Now, like I said, he has his faults. Like the lean recruiting for the past couple of years which is forcing us to rely solely on unknown freshman and un-super sophomores.

Vasquez is simply not the answer at the point. I'm not sure why Gary can't see that. His passes are erratic. Hell, I can read his passes before he makes them and I don't even watch most games in HD. He needs to settle down and realize his strengths.

Hayes to me seems unhappy in his current role. I would be, too. I mean, the kid is better used as a 1 guard. Hayes shoots better than Vasquez does, but doesn't take nearly as many shots as he should. Part of this is because Gary doesn't run enough shooting plays through the 2 spot, but the other part is b/c Hayes just doesn't take enough shots.

Gary needs to run more plays through Boom Osby. When Boom is 6 ft. from the basket or closer, he's unstoppable. When he's 7ft. from the basket or further, he's a walking turnover. Get this guy more plays closer to the basket, please.

James Gist is an incredible talent. I know he'll be the focus of opposing defenses, but we need to get him more plays inside. He's even developed a jumper from 15 feet or so out. More plays through the All-ACC big man, please.

I don't really have too much to say about the freshman. Braxton Dupree seemed out of shape when I saw him last night against UCLA. But then again, I didn't see much out of him. So, throughout the season I'll have more to say.

Oh, and I know (or at least think) I'll catch hell for this, but I'm gonna talk about the women's program in this thread, too.

I made it to the MD-LSU game at Comcast Center and have to admit I'm more impressed by those women than any other team in the country including Tenn and UConn. Already this season they've beaten three top-25 teams (including then-#4 LSU and then-#6 Oklahoma) soundly. What's more amazing is that they've been slaying these teams without the help of pre-season All-America Crystal Lanhorne who has been out with an ankle injury for 3 of the last 4 games.

#3-ranked Maryland has been FAR more impressive than anyone so far expect maybe Tennessee. I'm sure they'll grab one of the #1 seeds in March (along with Tenn, UConn and Standford).

I've been most impressed by Toliver and Coleman. Both have done incredible jobs developing as players. Toliver has been as good as any point guard in the country in leading her team. Some of the passes and shots she's been making have been pro level. Impressive to say the least.

Coleman (what can't you say about Coleman?) is the worse match-up nightmare imaginable for any team coach in the country (except Pat Summitt b/c she has Candace Parker). I didn't really appreciate what Coleman brings to the table her first two years, but I'm driving the bandwagon and drinking the Kool-aid. She's a terrific talent.

Laura Harper matched up extremely well with Slyvia Fowles at LSU. In all honesty, she was the only player we have who could match her inch for inch. She had a couple of blocks against one of the best players in the country which aint too bad. What I love about Harp is that she will have the quietest double-double you've ever seen in your life.

Jade Perry has developed nicely and has been my surprise of the year thus far for the Terps. She was always good in the paint, but needed to refine her game a bit. She's MUCH more polished as a senior and has really learned to control her power which has led to her finishing around the rim about 90% of the time after taking a bump. Kudos to the coaching staff for developing her. Despite her lack of height, she does well against taller players i.e. Duke's Alison Bales and Chantay Black last year and LSU's Fowels and Oklahoma's Paris twins (Courtney in particular) this season.

Freshman Marah Strickland is an incredible outside shooter and has really added another dimension to the Terps' game that wasn't there in 06-07. I'm ecstatic to have her and she's hot too. I always appreciate a pretty girl who can ball.

Needless to say I watch a shit ton of basketball in my spare time. I scout lots of teams and watch for new, interesting plays and stuff. It's what I do.

UCLA will certainly provide a test. I think we'll fail that test. Badly. I'm prepping myself for a 1995 1st round NCAA tournament-type showing from the Terps. :-(


Luckily I was wrong about failing the test that was #1 UCLA badly. We actually had at winning that game, but the effing turnovers man. I know it's gonna happen with a young team, but damn.

Also, we need a shooter. I miss Mike Jones. If the freshman don't develop well, I wouldn't be surprised to see Gus Gilchrist burn his R/S in January.

Ah, the Terps. I am really not thrilled with the higher class recruits Gary's been landing since we won the National Title. You can see the improved athleticism, you can see the speed, and it's a "Wow!" moment. But it's almost like... since these guys are as fast as they are, as athletic as they are, that you're not going to get the work ethic that we got from a Blake, Dixon, or Baxter. They weren't the best at their positions, not even close. But they knew it, too - and because of that Gary could coach them up & get more out of them than anyone thought possible. I think that's Gary Williams' best strength. Then you win a Nat'l Championship & can recruit higher talent guys - well, they might be more talented but that doesn't always translate. (I'm looking at you, Caner-Medley.)

I'm hoping that sometime soon we get a balance of the two. In the meantime, these guys are fun to watch.



BTW, my friends & I rented a car & drove up to Syracuse in '02 to watch the Terps take on UConn. One of the most amazing games I've ever been to - we just couldn't put them away until Dixon hit that 3-pointer. At that point my legs felt like they were going to give out. Then the Terps put the game away & a sea of red started a long, hoarse trek south through falling snow. I got home around 3 or 4 and was at work the next day. Best sports road trip ever!

Do you think Maryland will ever have another Len Bias? :D Those were the days! :yes: He was awesome! What a sad ending to such a promising future. :(

Do you think Maryland will ever have another Len Bias? :D Those were the days! :yes: He was awesome! What a sad ending to such a promising future. :(
i don't think we've ever (or WILL ever for that matter) had a player that was as dominating as he was. i think every ACC school has that one player that's is looked at as the best basketball player EVER in that school's history (for us, it's definitely len bias, for UNC (michael jordan), for UVA (ralph sampson), for wake (tim duncan), for duke (take your pick...lol).

Sad, but true. Just imagine if Len Bias had lived to play with the Celtics. He would have gave Jordan a run for his money. Maybe, just maybe, the Bulls wouldn't have won all those championships that they did. Who knows? I guess we'll never know. :(

The days of enjoying four-year top talent are long gone. Today's Len Bias would've jumped to the league so quickly he wouldn't have had a chance to develop in college. We'd be awed by his freakish athleticism that makes every play look insane. Quality play from blue-chip freshmen and sophomores is key to winning a national title today.

I know its Lehigh, but I noted a few things from today's game:

The Good


Braxton Dupree got good minutes and produced. He scored points and got some confidence and experience. He'll need that against ACC bigs.


Greivis Vasquez shot 80% from the field and had a 1/1 A/TO ratio



Hayes had the most minutes of anybody and took more shots than anybody



5 three-point shots


The Ugly


12 turnovers



Lethargic, unfocused play in the first half



Being out-rebounded 36-34



Shooting a shitty 11/22 from the free throw line

#3 Maryland Women played u/r UCSB today and the game was much closer than it should have been. Kristi Toliver sank two free throws in the final seconds to secure the Terps' 75-71 win in Santa Barbara. Marissa Coleman scored 30. She better go ahead with her bad self.

I didn't see the game, but the box score indicated that turnovers continue to be a problem. We also didn't rebound tonite like we've done against LSU and Oklahoma. We need Langhorne back sooner rather than later.

Marah Strickland didn't do well at all tonite.

Next game is against at UCLA on Sunday. We should bea them handidly but we should've thrashed UCSB, too. I'm sure we'll beat them though.

Would you say that Braxton Dupree is the overall best player on the team right now? :?

Now that the Terps have six games under their belt, do they look to be coming together as a team more? I've only had the opportunity to watch one game (vs. UCLA) and they still looked a little chaotic at times. I can't wait until when I come back to Baltimore in two weeks, so I can ditch the ESPN Gamecast and watch some actual games.

Would you say that Braxton Dupree is the overall best player on the team right now? :?

I wouldn't go that far. I think that distinction still belongs to James Gist. He's the All-America hopeful. Grevis Vasquez is probably the second-best player on the team. Braxton had a good, but still needs to get physically stronger around the basket before he'll be a really good player. Lehigh players were able to knock the ball away from him in the paint a few times. Not a good thing.

Now that the Terps have six games under their belt, do they look to be coming together as a team more? I've only had the opportunity to watch one game (vs. UCLA) and they still looked a little chaotic at times. I can't wait until when I come back to Baltimore in two weeks, so I can ditch the ESPN Gamecast and watch some actual games.

Gary is still tweaking and messing around with line-ups and subbing situations, so I haven't really seen the same group on the floor at one for extended periods of time.

Maryland plays 7 of its next 8 at home and the 8th game is at the Verizon Center, so we should start to see more consistency in the line-up. I'm reserving opinion until mid-January or so.

6-10 recruit Gus Gilchrist for next year. I saw him play in the Cap Classic and he won MVP. He reminded me of Joe Smith in that game.


Gary is still tweaking and messing around with line-ups and subbing situations, so I haven't really seen the same group on the floor at one for extended periods of time.

Maryland plays 7 of its next 8 at home and the 8th game is at the Verizon Center, so we should start to see more consistency in the line-up. I'm reserving opinion until mid-January or so.

I'm excited for Gus, too. I just wish he were a top-15 guard opposed to a top-15 big man. We need shooters and ball handlers. Not that Vasquez and Hayes aren't getting it done. I'm just saying...

Yes, "shooters" and "ball handlers!"

Big win last night. I was not all that optimistic going in that game, but I am very satisfied with the outcome.

I was at Comcast last night. The crowd was awful. Less than 70-75% capacity for a major OOC opponent is an embarrassment.

I was happy that we won, but man it was the ugliest win I’ve ever seen. Neither the Terps nor the Illini looked crisp. Vasquez had a terrible shooting night (2-14 from the field, 0-7 from beyond the arc). Will Gary ever bench this kid?

Braxton impressed me again while starting ahead of Boom again. He still needs to catch, turn and go strong to the basket. Don’t put the damn ball on the floor.

Burney looked surprisingly good. Gist didn't have many good looks, but still finished with 12 points and 9 boards. Illinois played a triple sag defense on him the entire night. Three orange jerseys collapsed every time he touched the ball.

If I were the head coach during today’s practice we’d be running lots and lots and lots of:

- Lay-up drills…we missed 5 lay-ups last night. We should’ve gone into the half up by double digits.

- Rebounding drills…we were beaten badly on the boards in the 1st half. I’d also teach the kids to box out instead of swarming for the ball. Remember, the best rebound is the one that bounces on the floor.

- Speed drills…this is especially for Vasquez, Hayes and Dupree. The guards looked slow. Dupree needs to lose a little weight and learn that good big men run north-south, not any other direction.

On a much brighter note, after 4 years of my lamenting that we need more in-game stats, the University finally went out and purchased a new LCD banner to compliment the big score board which provides every stat you need to watch the game. That made me happy.

No comments on the Virginia Commonwealth game? The game was televised down here (no surprise), so I didn't get a chance to watch it. Was it as disappointing as I imagine it was? Any good news at all to report?

^^VCU's full-court press was unbelivable. They deserved to win.

^^VCU's full-court press was unbelivable. They deserved to win.

VCU's '55' press is basically a mirror image of the press Gary Williams and Maryland have employed for years. No excuses for not being able to handle it. Maryland is a team full of athletes from a major conference. VCU is not. Maryland will face much more talented and physically imposing athletes in ACC play. Maryland shouldn't have had trouble with that press. They didn't play smart and struggled.

To answer Peter's question, I didn't see anything remotely promising about that game. Maryland had the same issue that had when they face other good teams: turnovers. There are two types of turnovers in my mind. Some just kind of happen in the middle of good plays. Others, which is 90% of the type we've been committing this year, are stupid passes or whatever that have ZERO chance of being successful. Maryland has the worse TO% in the ACC. Essentially, 1 in every 4 possessions for Maryland results in a turnover. This isn't a new issue either. Its been going on for quite some time now (even during the championship year). A lot of it has to do with the frenetic pace at which our offense is run, but lots of these are just stupid, inexperienced plays and players.

I'm going to the Morgan State game tomorrow night. I never thought I'd actually be concerned about lowly Morgan State even standing a chance against Maryland at home no less. I'm concerned about their guards, They're small and quick. Vasquez and Hayes are big and slow. Jamar Smith (their 6-2 210) guard scored 25-points versus Coppin. Coppin is no Maryland, but I'm concerned nonetheless.

Inexcusable loss to VCU...

Hope Gary and the gang can right the ship...

ACC is only getting better. Looks like we will stuggle to get to .500 in conference play.

Inexcusable loss to VCU...

Hope Gary and the gang can right the ship...

ACC is only getting better. Looks like we will stuggle to get to .500 in conference play.

You know, I was thinking about this last night. I'm as big a 'Garyanna' as they come, but I'm also fair and balanced in my assessment. Lots of our recent struggles have been b/c he's so damn stubborn.

- He refuses to recruit potential 'one and dones'. Carmello Anthony and Kevin Durant are the first two players that come to mind. He didn't press these local guys hard and they went elsewhere to help teams have more successful years than Maryland had.

- That damn flex offense. He refuses to change his offensive system from year to year. He recruits players that fit into his system and refuses to go after good guys who don't. That frustrates me. Instead of assessing his teams' progress and how they stack up to the rest of the ACC on a yearly basis, he sticks with the damn flex. I'm usually not one to question the decisions of winners of national championships, but come one. The frenetic pace of the press is what's causing the turnovers. Switch it up.

- He refuses to switch up defenses. Gary rarely goes zone only zone. He's mentioned how box and one is a kiddie defense and he hates using it and most zone variations. I'm sure it makes him feel like he can't recruit guys who can play at a high level. So, he doesn't play zone. There are two guarantees in life: having to pay taxes and Maryland's 55 press after every made basket.

Are you kidding me? Maryland lost to my alma mater, Ohio University last night 61 to 55 at the Comcast Center? Yeah, the Terps are going to suck this year!!!!!!!

I don't even want to talk about that team right now.

Actually, fuck it...I'll talk.

Last night was a fucking disgrace. Gary fucked the game up. Vasquez fucked the game up. They deserve each other.

15 second differential on the shot clock, Ohio's ball, they are up by three. Maryland plays tough defense until the shot clock gets to 15, then they foul intentionally. It's not 1 and 1 yet, so no shots, BUT, they get a new shot clock with 27.8 seconds left. If they play good D and hold them, they have at least have 15 seconds to get off a three to tie or to shoot a two and then foul -- again guaranteeing at least a shot to tie at the end. A complete coaching blunder. A real idiotic move by Gary.

Then Vasquez misses a fucking wide open layup down by four. Tucker misses a free throw. This is a bad team. A shitty team. Maybe the worst since the Greg Nared days.

Gary is becoming a terrible game coach. Vasquez is the most overrated player in the ACC and is a horrible point guard. Maryland is quickly becoming the Arkansas of the 2000s.

Fuck!

the scary part is that they haven't even started in-conference play yet.:ohno:

Perhaps we should just ask one of the moderators to lock or delete this thread... There's no use for it anymore.

Perhaps we should just ask one of the moderators to lock or delete this thread... There's no use for it anymore.

I can't believe I just sat through that game. That was TERRIBLE! Well, at least I have the Ravens to look forward to this weekend...:bash:

are you serious? american university? it officially can't get any worse.:(

Can it get any worse? Yes and it will. Just wait until ACC play starts. I fully expect blowout losses to Duke (twice), Carolina, Virginia (twice), and Clemson. We'll lose to Miami in Coral Gabels and at Virginia Tech. We're a joke. The state of this program is a joke.

time for Gary to retire. He had his day and its time to move on. 1 NCAA the last 4 years and likely 2 in 6 years(if he stays) is not good enough for me or most fans.



Can it get any worse? Yes and it will. Just wait until ACC play starts. I fully expect blowout losses to Duke (twice), Carolina, Virginia (twice), and Clemson. We'll lose to Miami in Coral Gabels and at Virginia Tech. We're a joke. The state of this program is a joke.

time for Gary to retire. He had his day and its time to move on. 1 NCAA the last 4 years and likely 2 in 6 years(if he stays) is not good enough for me or most fans.

I agree. Coaches in their 60's with fading programs end to go quietly into the night and that is what will happen with Gary. It ended for Denny Crum at age 64 after 30 years at Louisville with 6 final fours and 2 national titles. He was criticized for not being able to adjust to the 3-point shot.

The reasons for Gary's demise are well documented:

- Failure to adopt to the 3 pt shot and changing college game. Top programs have outstanding guard play and are balanced between 3 point shooting and inside play. Maryland is not. Nor has it been under Gary for the most part.

- Unwillingness to personally involve himself in recruiting. I am personally offended by his lack of effort and arrogance in this area. Coaches in the Baltimore Catholic League see a lot of head coaches when their kids are being recruited, but no Gary. If you want blue chip prospects the head coach has to be involved.

- Recruiting players to be starters in the ACC that would be in support roles in most ACC programs.

- Not adapting his playing style to match his talent.

- Never having his teams prepared to play against the zone. That Butler game last year still irks me the way we tried to force the ball inside all the time.

- Creating an environment that is not appealing to blue chip talent. Gary wouldn't start Steve Francis over Terrell Stokes at the point. WTF?? Forget the loyalty. Play the best players!!!!

The college game has passed Gary Williams by. This happens to lots of coaches in their sixties in major sports all the time. The older you get the energy and focus required to compete with the younger coaches just fades along with the ability to relate to the players. It's a natural thing and I will wait patiently knowing that the end is near and a new exciting era of Maryland basketball will be starting soon. Thanks Gary for the wonderful things you did for Maryland basketball. Time to move on.

American has fallen to some perrenial powerhouse basketball schools this year.... Fairfield, Morgan State, Loyola, Md. and Maryland-Baltimore County.

Good thing none of those schools are on our schedule this year cause I think MD could seriously lose to all of them.

I havent liked Gary for a while now.. There is so much of Brian Billick in the man but the two that get to me the most are..

His teams consistently underachieve. The terps, like the ravens play down to the competition and only bring out the A-game against powerhouse opponents. If only they could treat every team like they were Duke.. If only the Ravens played the Dolphins and every other team this season like they played the Patriots. Motivation is up to the coach.. its up to the coach to bring out the best from his or her players and neither Gary W. or Brian B. can do it each and every game.

Both like to live in the past. I didnt like Gary Williams ever since a couple years ago when his team missed the NCAA tournament and in an interview he said.. people fail to realize we won the championship a few years ago and he went on to mention his now long ago streak of tourney appearances a la Brian Billick bringing up his superbowl victory and spotty playoff appearances.

Both should know for any sporting team it is a what have you done for me lately business. When I hear something like that it makes me believe the coach thinks that he gets a free pass to have mediocre performances for the next decade because of one good year.

He now even goes as far as complaining about his teams not being invited to the NCAA tournament saying his teams deserved to go just because they broke even in the ACC. Little does he realize he has been scheduling cake out of conference games which havent been impressing anyone and lately he can't even win those to artificially pump up his records.

And if his teams have been slighted out of the NCAA tournament why hasnt he won an NIT yet?? Maybe his teams werent motivated to play hard because somehow they believed they deserved better. Well this year they will be WISHING they could get invited to the NIT because they wont even get invited to that this year even if they can somehow pull of a miracle and break even in ACC play.

American has fallen to some perrenial powerhouse basketball schools this year.... Fairfield, Morgan State, Loyola, Md. and Maryland-Baltimore County.

Good thing none of those schools are on our schedule this year cause I think MD could seriously lose to all of them.
terps played morgan on 12/6/07 and won 89-65. even thought the bears are MUCH better this year, i didn't really expect them to when that game. before maryland begins ACC play, they still have savannah state, delaware, unc-charlotte, and holy cross left. let's hope we don't have anymore out-of-conference surprises.

His effort in recruiting is what has bothered me most over the years. He does attend summer/spring AAU events but recruits very little at high school regular season games compared to other head coaches.
It's very rare to see him at more that 2-3 games a year in the high school winter season .


I agree. Coaches in their 60's with fading programs end to go quietly into the night and that is what will happen with Gary. It ended for Denny Crum at age 64 after 30 years at Louisville with 6 final fours and 2 national titles. He was criticized for not being able to adjust to the 3-point shot.

The reasons for Gary's demise are well documented:

- Failure to adopt to the 3 pt shot and changing college game. Top programs have outstanding guard play and are balanced between 3 point shooting and inside play. Maryland is not. Nor has it been under Gary for the most part.

- Unwillingness to personally involve himself in recruiting. I am personally offended by his lack of effort and arrogance in this area. Coaches in the Baltimore Catholic League see a lot of head coaches when their kids are being recruited, but no Gary. If you want blue chip prospects the head coach has to be involved.

- Recruiting players to be starters in the ACC that would be in support roles in most ACC programs.

- Not adapting his playing style to match his talent.

- Never having his teams prepared to play against the zone. That Butler game last year still irks me the way we tried to force the ball inside all the time.

- Creating an environment that is not appealing to blue chip talent. Gary wouldn't start Steve Francis over Terrell Stokes at the point. WTF?? Forget the loyalty. Play the best players!!!!

The college game has passed Gary Williams by. This happens to lots of coaches in their sixties in major sports all the time. The older you get the energy and focus required to compete with the younger coaches just fades along with the ability to relate to the players. It's a natural thing and I will wait patiently knowing that the end is near and a new exciting era of Maryland basketball will be starting soon. Thanks Gary for the wonderful things you did for Maryland basketball. Time to move on.

I havent liked Gary for a while now.. There is so much of Brian Billick in the man but the two that get to me the most are..

I wouldn't go as far as to say I don't like the man personally. Billick from what I hear is an ass on and off the field. Gary, on the other hand, is an affable guy. I've had the opportunity to meet him a few times and he's been a joy to be around esp. after a couple of beers.

The University neewds to handle this situation very, VERY carefully. You can't dismiss the guy who rebuilt your program. Gary gave up a pretty sweet deal at Ohio State to take over a program that was in shambles. Gary consistently built the Terps into a winner, then a national power and, of course, a National Champion. What may be most important is Gary's role as a fund raiser. Gary Williams is the national face of the University. Debbie Yow can't just throw him to the wayside. Advise him to move on, honor him in whatever way is appropriate for a coach with his resume (they can't name the floor yet b/c Comcast paid a few million to do that when the building opened) and create a Ass't AD for Fundraising position for him.

The only problem is Gary is stubborn. He's not going to do this anytime soon unless he's pressed into it. I hope Debbie Yow handles this well.

I wouldn't go as far as to say I don't like the man personally. Billick from what I hear is an ass on and off the field. Gary, on the other hand, is an affable guy. I've had the opportunity to meet him a few times and he's been a joy to be around esp. after a couple of beers.

The University neewds to handle this situation very, VERY carefully. You can't dismiss the guy who rebuilt your program. Gary gave up a pretty sweet deal at Ohio State to take over a program that was in shambles. Gary consistently built the Terps into a winner, then a national power and, of course, a National Champion. What may be most important is Gary's role as a fund raiser. Gary Williams is the national face of the University. Debbie Yow can't just throw him to the wayside. Advise him to move on, honor him in whatever way is appropriate for a coach with his resume (they can't name the floor yet b/c Comcast paid a few million to do that when the building opened) and create a Ass't AD for Fundraising position for him.

The only problem is Gary is stubborn. He's not going to do this anytime soon unless he's pressed into it. I hope Debbie Yow handles this well.

You most certainly can. Happens all the time. Gary did play a huge part in getting the program to where it is today. However, Paterno or Bowden he ain't. And as far as him being a great guy, many of his players (well ex-players) don't even like him. I am talking on a personal level. I know this for a fact.

If we can no longer compete in the ACC, then why exactly is he still here?

You most certainly can. Happens all the time. Gary did play a huge part in getting the program to where it is today. However, Paterno or Bowden he ain't. And as far as him being a great guy, many of his players (well ex-players) don't even like him. I am talking on a personal level. I know this for a fact.

If we can no longer compete in the ACC, then why exactly is he still here?

What programs have fired coaches with Gary's resume and no track record of off the court issues? Please name some.

Gary is the face of resource development at the university. You piss him off and you potentially piss of millions and millions of dollars. The Gossetts, the single source of the majority of Maryland private athletic funding, love Gary to death. Debbie Yow wouldn't piss them off by improperly handling Gary.

What players hate him? No, Gary isn't friends with them, but for the most part his guys respect him and what he's done as a coach and for the university. Just because a kid doesn't respond well to Gary and his tactics doesn't mean they hate him.

So you guys don't think Maryland will turn it around and start getting better this year? :?

I don't think the season is lost, and there is a glimpse of hope left, but it's not looking good, that's for sure.

The good news is that Maryland plays fairly well against man-to-man defenses. UCLA played mostly man, and we played them fairly well when they were #1. Illinois played man on all but one play, and we beat them. Missouri played man the first half, but switched to zone the second half, and that is when the game really got away. The mid-majors have all played zone, which Maryland has no answer for. The team can't shoot, and there are no dominant big men to pass to down low.

Luckily, most teams in the ACC, perhaps no team in the ACC, plays zone a whole lot. I might be reaching here, but it's our last ray of hope. Gist needs to get it together though.

Maryland never has an answer to zone. That's Gary's fault.

Maybe he should buy Dean Smith's 4 corners book? :D ;)

grrrr

grrrr

:o

sick and twisted.... and sad.

I forgot another reason Gary sucks... MD has like the worse graduation record.. I believe Gary has graduated no one on time in the past 6 years at least.. and no one within 6 years either.. Cant win on the court, cant win in the classroom.. GO TERPS!

grrrr

This is technically false. Gary graduated 4 players last season (Bowers, Ibekewe, Chikura, and Brown). Transfers (Miller, Andre Collins and the other kid who went to Loyola) and players who leave early for the NBA (Dixon, Baxter, Wilcox, McCray, Strawberry) count against the NCAA 6-year reporting period. Top-programs are a victim of their own success in this regard.

Don't believe the hype.

^^ That's a relief! :D

This is technically false. Gary graduated 4 players last season (Bowers, Ibekewe, Chikura, and Brown). Transfers (Miller, Andre Collins and the other kid who went to Loyola) and players who leave early for the NBA (Dixon, Baxter, Wilcox, McCray, Strawberry) count against the NCAA 6-year reporting period. Top-programs are a victim of their own success in this regard.

Don't believe the hype.

MD hasnt had much success the past 4 years which is why the point it made.. ur not graduating anyone, ur not competing against anyone.. so what ARE you doing???

Besides Ibekewe, those guys you named, I never even heard of them!! lets talk starters

Dixon was a fifth year senior when he graduated.
Baxter was a senior too. I'll have to check up on mccray and strawberry.. i thought mccray played his senior year, and strawberry, if he left i think it was cause he ran out of elligibility.. i remember his getting injured and i cant remember how the story eded but it was not because gary coached him in to an NBA caliber player.

It is a fact.. MD basketball scored the lowest. It was front page ESPN news when the report came out.. i believe the headline was MD basketball is only team in nation to not graduate ANYONE in a certain period.

Your argument of early departures doesnt hold water anyway cause other schools have WAY MORE early departures (first second third rounders, and freshman and sophomores, compared to MDs second round juniors and seniors) and perform much better than MD year in and year out regardless.

Im sorry man, but Gary just isnt all hes hyped up to be.. or has at least gone down since 01/02

Williams, Terps respond to goose egg for men’s basketball graduation rate

October 5th, 2007 by By Aaron Kraut
Source: The Diamondback

COLLEGE PARK, Md. — A day after the Maryland men’s basketball team received a zero on a graduation rate report issued by the NCAA, athletics department officials questioned whether the report itself is a fair measurement of the program.

In the annual NCAA Graduation Success Rate Report covering all scholarship athletes who entered the university from 1997 to 2000, the men’s basketball team scored zero percent, as none of the ten players included in the report graduated within the NCAA-mandated six-year window. No other Division I men’s basketball program scored below 17 percent.

Associate Athletics Director Anton Goff, who oversees the academic support and career development unit, said while the NCAA does not punish schools for a low GSR score, the score has a correlation to the Academic Progress Rate. Goff said a 60 percent mark on the GSR roughly equates to a passing score of 925 on the APR.Men’s basketball coach Gary Williams said the GSR report unfairly judges the success or failure of the players upon whether or not they graduate within six years. According to an Athletics Department press release, two of the ten eventually graduated, including Tahj Holden, who completed his degree this past summer outside of the six-year window.

“To say that it is a zero graduation rate - that’s not true,” said Williams.

Williams said the players shouldn’t just be measured by whether or not they graduate, as it doesn’t serve as an accurate portrait of their post-Terp professional career.

“I feel that these players have succeeded,” said Williams. “Their skill is basketball; you go to college to maximize whatever you’re good at.”

NCAA spokesman Bob Williams defended the report, saying student athletes should be focused on graduating as well as playing their sport.

“In terms of a position that says well, our students didn’t have a chance to complete their academics because they were trying out for the NBA, one would have to ask themselves what is the purpose of going to college,” Williams said. “The purpose of going to college is to get an education, and that’s probably where the focus should be put.”

Holden graduated with a communications degree in the summer and said Gary Williams always pushed his players toward getting a degree. Holden said other factors posed hurdles.

“Right after the national championship, all that NBA basketball stuff starts and we still have a month left of school,” said Holden, referring to the various NBA pre-draft camps. “It’s very difficult to keep on top of your work. What a lot of the athletes do is withdraw from that semester and then come back and finish.”

Both Williams and Holden cited a university requirement that students complete their final 12 credits on the campus as a problem preventing players from graduating. The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, which had a GSR score of 86 percent in the report, offers players the opportunity to take online correspondence courses in order to complete their degree.

“Not to have any online classes is difficult at the University of Maryland,” Holden said. “You put your time in at Maryland; you don’t want a [University of Maryland, University College] degree.”

Though the GSR score does not carry any consequences for low scores, Goff admitted that the score of zero reflects poorly on the university as a whole.

“I think the entire university doesn’t like to have a zero for anything,” said Goff. “We’re competitive and we want to be better, and I don’t think that zero is indicative of what we’re doing today.”

Goff declined to discuss whether or not the basketball team was in danger of scoring lower than 925 on the APR this spring, which measures the 2003-2006 teams.

“We can’t really just focus on those numbers,” Goff said. “If we’re doing things that we believe are right as far as graduating our student athletes every single number takes care of itself. We want to make sure our student-athletes are getting a great education.”

Senior staff writer Jeff Amoros contributed to this report.


Trying to justify it is just terrible. Even if he considers european league players and nba bench warming and players getting arrested on gun charges as success he should still be trying to emphasize that players are students first.

And the way his team is playing now we'll see what he sets as the bar for post collegiate success, cause no one on this team is makin the euro squads.

I want to go to basketball college, and get a degree in jammin' on foo's.

Then I'll do my post-doc work in waving guns around and getting arrested for doing insanely stupid shit in public places.

The end of Maryland's bench is really, really bad. Some guys got some PT last night that usually wouldn't it wasn't very encouraging at all.

Time to revive this thread. :cheers:

who won today? :?

Terps beat the heels!!!!!! :eek2:

#1 team in the land has FALLEN!!!!! that means memphis will probably be #1 now.

While I dont want to rain on your parades.. this goes along EXACTLY with what I said earlier about Garys teams similarities to Brian Billicks teams.. The ravens will bring out their A game against the patriots and then completely flop against the Dolphins...

Garys team will lose at home to Ohio and American and then beat the number one team in America..

I think its up to the coach to encourage and enforce the teams playing EVERY team like its the number one team in the country.

But yeah.. enjoy the win.

But yeah.. enjoy the win.

Thank you. I will.

I think you're right though. The Orioles are like that too, at times. They'll sweep the Yankees and then get swept by the Devil Rays.

I said before, and I still agree, that Maryland would play better against ACC teams than against mid-majors who embrace the zone defense. I do think it's worth celebrating though aside from the obvious victory celebration for two reasons:

1. Maryland is young and impressionable, and this should do wonders for their confidence.
2. Beating a #1, previously undefeated, on their own floor is going to look very good when Maryland (as they most certainly will be) is on the bubble in March. It might make the difference between a trip to the NCAA and the NIT.

Looking back, it hurts even more knowing that if we hadn't dropped those early games to a number of mid-majors we'd pretty much have sured up a tournament spot already. This is an entirely different team than we saw early in the season. Vazquez and Gist are playing fantastic ball, and Osby has really become a solid supporting player. It's crazy to think the Terps are third in the ACC at the moment. And to think, if the Terps top Duke next Wednesday and Duke beats UNC again at Cameron right before the tournament, the Terps would have a shot at finishing second in the ACC this year. How many people expected that this time last month?

Looking back, it hurts even more knowing that if we hadn't dropped those early games to a number of mid-majors we'd pretty much have sured up a tournament spot already. This is an entirely different team than we saw early in the season. Vazquez and Gist are playing fantastic ball, and Osby has really become a solid supporting player. It's crazy to think the Terps are third in the ACC at the moment. And to think, if the Terps top Duke next Wednesday and Duke beats UNC again at Cameron right before the tournament, the Terps would have a shot at finishing second in the ACC this year. How many people expected that this time last month?

We could be 18-5! VCU, Ohio, and American were unexplainable losses. We could even have a better record but most teams can claim that. Those three losses are legitimate bone head losses.

Thanks to whoever revived this thread. I've been really impressed with how the team has been playing. We finally have a rotation that seems to be working and we've been successful of late. Although Duke looked good against Carolina last night, we should have beaten them.

Also, congrats to Coach Williams on earning his 600th career victory. There are only 8 coaches with at least 600 wins under their belt and only 6 of those have national titles. Gary is truly in elite company.

i think because of maryland's rough start this year against VCU, Ohio, and American, they'll have to atleast get past the 1st round of the ACC tournament to even be considered for an at-large bid in the NCAA tournament. but who knows? at the rate they're playin' now, they may indeed win the ACC tournament outright.


stay tuned.............:okay:

So....how about those Terps? After taking some lumps early this season, Gary and the boys have rallied to win 10 of their last 12 games. Maryland beat FSU by 10 last night to improve to 17-9, 7-4 ACC.

We've got virginia tech coming up at home. We should take care of them.

I'm ecstatic to say that I'll be at Maryland's next away game in Miami next Sunday game. Can't wait for that trip. I leave Thursday.

I think its safe to say Maryland will earn its 13th NCAA tournament bid in 15 years and 24th overall. Gary will also earn his 400th victory at Maryland. We'll get another 20 win season, too.

If Gary can get us past the first weekend in March, then this will be a solid season despite those loses to American and Ohio.

that meltdown against clemson might be it for the terps. they play UVa tonight and i really don't see the NCAA committee possibly taking SIX teams from the acc. if the terps win tonight, it looks like my hurricanes will be left on the outside lookin' in....................


Atlantic Coast

North Carolina(1) 14-2 29-2

Duke (6) 13-3 26-4

Clemson (24) 9-6 21-8

Virginia Tech 9-6 18-11

Maryland 8-7 18-12

Miami (FL) 8-8 21-9

Wake Forest 7-9 17-12

Florida St. 7-9 18-13

Georgia Tech 7-9 14-16

Virginia 4-11 14-14

N.C. State 4-12 15-15

Boston College 4-12 13-16

that meltdown against clemson might be it for the terps. they play UVa tonight and i really don't see the NCAA committee possibly taking SIX teams from the acc. if the terps win tonight, it looks like my hurricanes will be left on the outside lookin' in....................

If Maryland wins tonite at UVa, they still have a chance. If they win tonite and make it to the quarters of the ACCT we'll have 21 wins. Its tough to deny an ACC team who has done as well on the road as Maryland has.

UMBC.............. check..
Coppin State.... check..

Terps???? :ohno:

:lol:

I feel bad for Morgan. They had a great season and Im sure the NIT is going to feel like a let down. But at least they gave up their spot to another Baltimore team.

^^mt. st. mary's.......check. as a matter of fact, they'll be checkin' in with coppin tuesday night in the play-in game.

also glad to see my MIAMI HURRICANES are goin' to the dance!!

5) miami (fl) vs.
12) st. mary's (ca)

For the 3rd time in 4 years Maryland will be goign to the NIT. What's more embarrassing is that Maryland has to travel to fucking Minnesota to play the Golden Gophers at Williams arena.

What's really embarrassing is that the first two games of the Terps' "regional" will involve three coaches who have won National Championships this decade (Williams, Smith and Boeheim). Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Who knows? Coppin State may win it all....... :runaway: :D

I can't believe I watched most of that MD game last night...even though they actually won. I told myself I wasn't going to do it but I started watching the Coppin game and just didn't turn the channel. I guess it was like expecting to see a train wreck. Waiting to see how they would fall apart this time. :bash:

For Md. schools, date to NCAAs 'priceless'
Interest soars at Mount St. Mary's, UMBC
By Jeff Barker | Sun reporter
March 19, 2008
Mount St. Mary's, a tiny Catholic university in Emmitsburg, won its first NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament game ever last night, beating Coppin State, 69-60, to continue an improbable postseason run for its 2,100 students.

For schools like Mount, Coppin and the University of Maryland Baltimore County, just making the 65-team tournament already has generated headlines, excitement - and money.

Several Mount St. Mary's administrators described the benefits that a smaller school gets from participating as "priceless."



"It's something that gives us an incredible amount of publicity and stature," Dan Soller, Mount St. Mary's executive vice president, said before last night's game. "People are so passionate about sports."

The Mountaineers advance to face No. 1 seed North Carolina Friday night in Raleigh, N.C. UMBC plays earlier Friday in Raleigh against second-seeded Georgetown.

Among the benefits the tournament brings is cash from giddy alumni writing checks and from an NCAA payout - about $1.2 million over six years - to each school's conference.

After UMBC secured its first NCAA bid Saturday, graduates "kept coming up to me saying they were going to send me a check," said university President Freeman A. Hrabowski III.

"Presidents love that," he said. "Getting alumni back to campus gives them a chance to remember what the university has done for them."

Every round a school advances means more money. UMBC, for example, will get $1.2 million over six years for the nine-member America East Conference. If UMBC were to upset Georgetown, it would claim another $1.2 million for the league. Mount St. Mary's also will receive $1.2 million for its conference, and UMBC was awarded a $25,000 "bonus" from its league for making the tournament.

The money is meaningful to a school like UMBC, whose $9.3 million athletic budget is less than one-fifth the size of larger programs such as the one at the University of Maryland, College Park.

Some academicians question whether the lure of big money is pulling colleges away from their central mission of education. In recent tournaments, most of the participating schools have graduated fewer than half of their players, according to the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics, a watchdog group. "I think it would be a good idea to have some kind of a benchmark for being able to participate in the tournament," said sociologist Jay Coakley, author of Sports in Society: Issues and Controversies.

But the tournament is about much more than cash.

Imagining people around the country seeing "Mount St. Mary's" on office pool brackets delighted school administrators.

Asked if he'd expect to see a spike in applications as well as fundraising, Soller said: "I guess one hopes for all of the above. This is our bicentennial celebration this year, so you probably couldn't have written it much better."

Coppin's basketball success helps the school establish its identity. "A lot of people don't know who Coppin is," said James Camphor, the alumni association president. "We instill in our students never to give up, hold your head up, and our men's team did that this year and the alumni are proud of them."

The Maryland schools need only look at George Mason University in Virginia to appreciate how the NCAA tournament can be the gift that keeps on giving.

After George Mason's men's basketball team, a heavy underdog, advanced to the 2006 Final Four, admissions inquiries soared 350 percent, out-of-state applications rose 40 percent and the school estimates it got nearly $7 million in overwhelmingly positive free media coverage.

Applications - driven heavily by out-of-state candidates - increased 22 percent from 2005-2006 to 2007-2008, according to a study by Robert Baker, director of the school's Center for Sport Management. The study was called "The Business of Being Cinderella."

Baker found that alumni became more engaged with George Mason after the tournament, and UMBC officials said they were discovering the same thing.

Said Hrabowski: "We'll get more applications and more students looking at us. This sends a message that there is great campus spirit in addition to the rigorous academic program."

Television is a key. UMBC played its first nationally televised game in last week's conference championship and will get heavy exposure Friday playing Georgetown.

Such exposure - and winning - shows potential recruits "that there are a lot of good programs out there in the mid-major level that have had success," UMBC coach Randy Monroe said. "You don't necessarily have to go to a big school to have success."

Of course, it's not all good.

Qualifying for the tournament means UMBC must spend thousands on such things as printing up 500 more media guides, transporting students to and from sites, receptions and people working on the Web site.

But it comes with the territory.

jeff.barker@baltsun.com

Who knows? Coppin State may win it all....... :runaway: :Dif this was the coppin team from '97, i would've said "maybe", but NOT these guys. they don't even have a winning record going into the tournament.....

just thought i'd revitalize this thread again. it's that time of year again!! early on, the terps have wins over bucknell, northwood univ, and youngstown state...

Thanks for bringing this back, Masons.

Maryland shouldn't have any trouble tonight with Vermont. Anybody going to the game?

It's so hard to predict anything in the ACC these days. That goes for football and basketball. Any predictions? Aside from Michigan State, Michigan and GW, hopefully they'll make it all the way to conference play without being challenged too greatly.

OMG!!!!!! vermont's up 4 on the terps! 2:40 left! it's too early in the season for this to be happening........

whew!!!! terps survive a scare! md-72, ver-71.

good win tonight...im proud of them boys

^^yeah, we normally win the acc-big10 challenge....

It was a big win for Maryland. The basketball team is plagued by the same inconsistencies as the football team. One of the most stressful aspects of my life comes from following Maryland athletics.

If the Terps can top GW next, it'll put the team is good position for conference play and ultimately an at-large NCAA bid. The Terps typically perform well in ACC play, and assuming there won't be any upset losses to American or Delaware State this year, they should be able to put together a 20-win season without a problem. The losses to Gonzaga and Georgetown weren't pretty, but they are both top 20 teams and they did both follow closely on the heels from the Michigan State win, another top 20 team. At the very least, those two losses, albeit big ones, won't keep the Terps on the losing end of the bubble in March.

Also, can anyone explain to me why Vazquez is listed as a sophomore? He's already played two full seasons.

Nevermind, the Terps official site lists him as a junior, but ESPN keeps referring to him as a sophomore.

I guess GW's fallen off the wagon this year.

I hope they can turn it around. Their two losses are to Auburn and Maryland, which are both pretty unpredictable teams, so it's hard to gauge just how good GW is without seeing them play more. With Georgetown back on track and Maryland playing well, it'd be great to have a third powerhouse in the area. It'll also be good for MD's RPI rating if GW can put together a solid season.

Huge win yesterday. Who thinks Maryland will make it back to the tourney this year?

^^ I know, I watched the whole game. I want to think momentum will carry them into the tournament. If they beat Duke Wednesday, then ...

Wednesday is going to be ridiculous around here. Oh well.

the terps' final 4 games are against: (9)duke, (8)wake forest, nc state, & virginia.

nc state & virginia are MUST WIN games. i think they have to win 1 outta' the 2 games with duke & wake. they're 6-6 right now in the conference and these 3 wins would put them at 9-7 in the conference going into the acc tournament.

like i said earlier in this thread, if the terps miss the ncaa tournament, gary williams is out. losing to morgan state earlier this year certainly didn't help.

^^ In my eyes this is actually Gary Williams best coaching year ever, given the Terps' obvious lack of talent and size.

^^fully agree.:okay:

Well, that was a depressing end to a basketball game last night.

^^yeah. now, they must beat nc state, wake forest, and virginia to finish at 9-7 in the conference. things don't look good......two of these three games are on the road.:ohno:

8-8 still gives them a good shot at the tournament. The Duke game was well-fought but it wasn't enough.

8-8 still gives them a good shot at the tournament. The Duke game was well-fought but it wasn't enough.

They should make the tourney at 8-8, but Maryland has been shafted in years past, and that loss to Morgan State plus the huge losses to Duke, Georgetown and Gonzaga will really weigh on them. If Maryland can continue to play as well as they have the last two games, I don't think NC State will give them much trouble, but we'll see...

I am so glad to see that the Maryland Terrapins made the NCAA tournament. Go Terrapins!

:cheer:

Yeah! :cheers: I hope they go all the way and win it all!!! :yes:

Yeah! :cheers: I hope they go all the way and win it all!!! :yes:


Lets hope they can get through the first round against California. Hopefully they make it, but the next challenger is Memphis. Many argue that the Tigers should have been a No. 1 seed. They are a great defensive team that will really intimidate the Terps. But this team has really put out for Williams since the recent public flair up. They got a shot, the Terps hung in against Duke; with more discipline shooting they could move on the the sweet sixteen. The Terps take to many reckless shots. One other problem is fouling, can't get into foul trouble early like Vasquez did Friday.

In the first round against Cal, the NY Times really disses Maryland; "Look for Maryland to win in an ugly game that no one should go out of their way to watch." Should I cancel my subscription?

Forget about the NY Times. NYC is just upset over never having a single decent college sports program ever. ESPN has been a Greivis Vazquez lovefest the last few weeks.

I haven't had much of a chance to watch Cal play this year, but traditionally the 7-10 games are split pretty evenly, so I think Maryland has a solid shot. Just looking at the records and schedules for both teams, one might even be able to say that Maryland is the favorite. The Terps play fairly well on neutral courts as well, so that should factor in the projection.

I would love for the Terps to knock-off Memphis. I think Memphis is highly overrated; John Calipari is a slimeball of a coach and the players aren't much better. It would be sweet justice if a middle-of-the-road ACC team could topple the C-USA giants.

^^ Man, that would be awesome! :yes: :rock:

Kudos to Morgan State, too.

Are they in it, too? :? Awesome!!!! :rock:

Towson is the only Baltimore program that I can never recall making the tournament. UMBC made it last year. Coppin St. had that amazing win over South Carolina years ago, and then nearly knocked off Texas Tech, I believe it was. They also made it in last year. Loyola made it to the tournament in the 1990s, and I recall them having a great season a few years ago, but I don't recall if they made it to the tournament that year or not.

Maybe Towson will make it in the near future. :)

Towson is the only Baltimore program that I can never recall making the tournament. UMBC made it last year. Coppin St. had that amazing win over South Carolina years ago, and then nearly knocked off Texas Tech, I believe it was. They also made it in last year. Loyola made it to the tournament in the 1990s, and I recall them having a great season a few years ago, but I don't recall if they made it to the tournament that year or not.

You forgot Navy, they've been in. I believe they won the tournament in the early '50's, I recall seeing their trophy when tourning the place. Although at that time the NIT was the big tournament.

One of my coworkers just told me this. Towson Tigers have been to the tournament twice.

In 1990, Towson was the 16th seed in the Midwest region, and they lost to the Oklahoma Sooners 77-68:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament


In 1991, Towson was the 16th seed in the Midwest region, and they lost to the Ohio State Buckeyes 97-86:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament

I'm glad to finally see my Morgan State Bears finally make the tournament. That officially means that every school in the area has made it atleast once, I think.

Although not really in the Baltimore area, Mount St. Mary's has also made the tournament. They beat Coppin St. in the play-in game last year.

^^yeah, they've been 2-3 times as well.

Cool! Baltimore teams do good! :D

March Madness....so close.....can't wait......any longer........

tick, tock, tick, tock......... :lol:

Tomorrow 2:55 pm , Go Terps !!!!

Go TERPS!!! Indeed! :yes:
:cheer:

maryland-84 california-71

go terps. next up, the memphis tigers!!!

GO TERPS! Win It ALL!!!
:banana::banana::cheer::banana::banana:

Ahh, so close ( Well, not so much ). Good season, overall.

Yeah, good try anyway. At least they got to the tournament.

the lady looked very impressive last night vs. dartmouth...

Any other Maryland teams in it still? :)

^^ Nope. Go Lady Terps !

I see my girls are doing it up again this year. GO LADY TERPS!


:cheer::cheer:

... And there go the lady Terps ...

()

the lady terps gave a good run, though.....one game short of the final 4.

I think our lady seniors really deserved a spot in the final four... oh well :ohno:

^^the thing that really hurts about this loss is that marissa coleman & kristy tolliver are seniors. this should've been their year to atleast make it to the final four. just wasn't meant to be.......

Since Maryland beat both teams in the championship game, it is accurate to say that Maryland is the National Champion.

^^and then, we woke up....lol.

Since Maryland beat both teams in the championship game, it is accurate to say that Maryland is the National Champion.

Maryland's gonna get Lance Stephenson, watch out next year!

^^i've never heard of this kid until you just mentioned him. he has one hell of a killer crossover. check out the video. gary williams is gonna' love this kid!

http://lance-stephenson.com/

Maryland's gonna get Lance Stephenson, watch out next year!

Has he committed to Maryland? Last I heard Maryland was still just one of several choices. I also remember hearing that his visit to Maryland may have violated NCAA recruiting rules.

It will be a good thing if Maryland can sign him, but Williams should probably view this kid as only being around for a year or two. His website definitely gives the impression that he's looking to go to the NBA as soon as possible.

On the other hand, Maryland is already under scrutiny with the NCAA for its incredibly low graduation rate. Maybe a high-profile player like Stephenson who doesn't really appear to be interested in getting an education at all wouldn't be a good thing for the program.

Has he committed to Maryland? Last I heard Maryland was still just one of several choices. I also remember hearing that his visit to Maryland may have violated NCAA recruiting rules.

It will be a good thing if Maryland can sign him, but Williams should probably view this kid as only being around for a year or two. His website definitely gives the impression that he's looking to go to the NBA as soon as possible.

On the other hand, Maryland is already under scrutiny with the NCAA for its incredibly low graduation rate. Maybe a high-profile player like Stephenson who doesn't really appear to be interested in getting an education at all wouldn't be a good thing for the program.

No he didnt commit yet, but i have a feeling he will. Just a feeling. I not really sure about any recruiting violations. As a top recruit, something like that would have been making more headlines.

Anyway, Stephenson probably wont lead the team to a championship, but it should lead to better recruits. (I hope)

^^yep, we can only hope...

Woohoo!

Vazquez: Yes! Stephenson: No!

Two bits of good news this morning.

I know I mentioned earlier that I thought the benefits of signing Stephenson would outweigh the disadvantages, but I've changed my mind on that as of late, and with Vazquez returning, we've got a good shot at making a long run into the tourney this year. Terps don't need Stephenson hogging the ball, screwing up team chemistry just to make himself look better for the scouts before jumping to the NBA the following year.

Anybody else not at all surprised that Memphis is one of the few teams still interested in him? He should go to Memphis though; they'd be a good fit for one another. Let them drag each other down.

Woohoo!

Anybody else not at all surprised that Memphis is one of the few teams still interested in him? He should go to Memphis though; they'd be a good fit for one another. Let them drag each other down.agreed! 2 peas in a pod deserve each other!:okay: