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Prosciutto

February 25th, 2008, 07:31 PM

How ambitious a plan should Carolina Beach adopt for the Boardwalk?

By Chris Mazzolini
Staff Writer
chris.mazzolini@starnewsonline.com

Carolina Beach | Plans for the Carolina Beach Boardwalk stunned April McMunn so much that she had to walk out of a January meeting to compose herself.

She needed a minute alone after seeing that her building at 8 Pavilion Ave. was gone.

In fact, all of the buildings along the town's historic but faded Boardwalk would be replaced by open space or new buildings, according to the options presented in the town's proposed master development plan.

"I've been trying to keep units occupied and keep the roof from leaking," said McMunn, a member of the master plan's steering committee, after returning to the room. "I feel like I should have shut down and torn down a while ago."

While the plan, titled "Recapturing the Spirit," calls for improvements from town hall down to the lake, its designs for the Boardwalk are the most controversial.

The town council is scheduled to consider the master plan March 11. While the town council could endorse the plan at that time, it probably will postpone the decision to gather more information, said Town Manager Tim Owens.

Boardwalk property and business owners are divided by the plan. Some are excited that the town is creating a vision for the Boardwalk, while others want to see the historic area restored so history can be preserved.

Planning for the future
Town officials are quick to say that, if approved, the master plan can't happen overnight. It's not even a concrete plan, officials say, but a guiding vision for the town, and the latest version is only preliminary.

The town spent $122,000 to hire New York-based Peter J. Smith & Company Inc., to design the plan, and officials and residents say the town needs a vision to clean up the town and attract new businesses and visitors.

In summary, the master plan is designed to unify the central business district by linking the town's key areas - town hall, the marina, the Boardwalk and the lake - with landscaped streets, trails and walkways.

The plan identifies the marina to the north and the lake to the south as the town's anchors and proposes to enhance those areas and connect them with a beachfront boardwalk. It calls for redeveloping the marina north of the Boardwalk as a harborfront village that integrates retail and entertainment with a working waterfront. On the southern end of downtown, plans call for construction of an environmental education center at the lake that could become a companion to the N.C. Aquarium at Fort Fisher, with museum space and environmental programs.

On the western side of town, the community center would be expanded to include senior and youth centers, a library and public meeting rooms. In addition a transportation center for buses and cabs could help link Pleasure Island with Wilmington and the airport.

In the middle of it all is the Boardwalk, which planners and town officials acknowledge has limited potential as it exists today.

Because the buildings are built on the ground, they aren't in compliance with coastal building regulations, which call for buildings in that area to be elevated 16 feet. That limits how much repair work owners can do.

The plan presents two alternatives to develop the Boardwalk, with an emphasis on recapturing "the spirit, that energy, that once defined the Boardwalk area." Both plans include large amounts of public open space backed up by high-rise buildings ranging from nine to 12 stories.

While building height has long been a concern of town residents, the plan's developer says the higher buildings were needed to create the same amount of potential commercial space as the Boardwalk has today. Plans call for buildings to be designed with a "wedding cake effect" - wider at the bottom than at the top - to prevent them from blocking views of the ocean.

The plan suggests three options to actually get the work down: Recruit a master developer to oversee the redevelopment, amending the zoning ordinance to follow the master plan's vision into law and setting up a land trust that would allow developers to bid for the development rights of Boardwalk properties.

The quickest plan would be the master developer, and that's the route many town leaders and property owners support.

"The last thing Carolina Beach needs is a plan that just sits on the shelf," said Mayor Joel Macon. "What I'm looking for is a little bit more of how do we put this plan into action and make it happen."

'Pie in the sky?'
Whether Boardwalk property and business owners want to make it happen is another matter.

Some don't want to see any redevelopment of the Boardwalk.

"There's a lot of history there," said Brenda Armes, owner of Olde Salty restaurant. "Anybody who gets rid of a boardwalk that has that much history is crazy. Those buildings have withstood every hurricane we've had. There's no reason to tear them down."

Others, however, want to see the Boardwalk redeveloped. Garland Garrett, a partner in Boardwalk Landing LLC, a Raleigh-based development group that owns the arcade and bumper cars building, said the plan offers the best chance for property owners to join together and restore the area.

"The town has tried to put property owners together, and it has never worked," Garrett said during a January public meeting. "This is the best thing that has happened. I like the concept. I think we can sit down as a group of property owners and hash it out."

But probably the most widely shared opinion among business and property owners is that the plans look good but are unrealistic. Adam Higgins, a co-owner of Black Horn Bar & Kitchen and the Boardwalk Arcade, said they were "a little bit pie in the sky."

"I think it's a wonderful concept if you could execute it properly," said LeAnn Pierce, a property owner who runs Sandbarz Surf & Skate. "I just don't know if that's a concept you can get everyone on the same page with. I don't know how workable it is. And that's what we need to find out."

After a few weeks of talking with people and thinking about the master plan, McMunn said she is not against the proposal. She simply needs more information before making any decisions.

"As long as they can figure out how we can come together and achieve something, then that's fine," she said. "But right now I have no idea how that would come about. I can't really say if I would be for it or against it."

Bobby Nivens, owner of Britt's Donuts since 1974, said the master plan is a long-term situation. He said he doesn't oppose the plan, but can't imagine the Boardwalk being anything other than what it is now.

"Preferably, I'd rather see it cleaned up and fixed up and some of the history preserved," he said. "I guess I'm just too sentimental."

And while that could happen, it's not likely. The town could apply to designate the Boardwalk as a historic district, which would allow property owners to demolish the buildings and rebuild them to the same specifications.

But even that is considered a short-term, "remedial action" in the plan.

"The town, in general, I think is looking for bigger and better things in the total redevelopment of that area," said Owens, the town manager.

Owens said no property owners will be forced to go along with the plan. While he said he has received mixed reaction from property and business owners, many more decisions need to be made before property owners can decide if they are on board.

"All that stuff will have to just shake out," he said. "Hopefully, everybody will agree that it's in the best interest of the town. That's our hope."

Eventually, the Boardwalk will be redeveloped one way or another, said Peter Smith, the consultant hired to create the master plan. The best thing the town can do is commit to a vision that will prevent undesirable redevelopment in the future.

"In the long term, if the community doesn't do anything, there will be a wall along the beach front," he said.

Chris Mazzolini: 343-2223

chris.mazzolini@starnewsonline.com

Boardwalk options
Carolina Beach’s proposed master development plan lays out two alternatives for redeveloping the Boardwalk.

Development alternatives
OPTION 1: Town Square Concept

* Develop a public town square with an outdoor amphitheater along the dunes. That square would be surrounded and backed up by high-rise buildings reaching about nine stories tall.

* Temporary retail kiosks on the ground floor beneath buildings.

* An observation tower to give distant views over the town and the ocean.

* Develop commercial space on second floor of buildings and connect them with an elevated walkway.

* Parking on ground floor beneath buildings.

OPTION 2: Pier Park Concept

* Build a fishing pier extending out from the Boardwalk with roughly 12-story buildings behind it. The pier would continue onto the land and become the centerpiece of a public park.

* Build retail pavilions on the pier.

* Connect pier with beach boardwalk and Canal Drive.

* Parking beneath buildings and in on-site parking garages.

How does it happen?
OPTION 1: Master Developer

* Boardwalk property owners would form a consortium and ‘parcelize’ their properties to make them into one marketable parcel.

* The town would send out requests for proposals seeking a master developer, based on the concepts in the master plan.

* The Boardwalk owners could either remain a silent partner for the developer by accepting a percentage of future revenue for the site or sell their land to the developer.

* The town could offer development incentives such as building height bonuses and tax breaks.

OPTION 2: ‘Planned Unit Development’

* The town would encode the master plan’s design standards and vision for open space into the town’s zoning ordinance.

* This scenario would allow incremental development with multiple developers.

* Would not require a commitment from property owners.

* The town could offer development incentives.

OPTION 3: Purchase/Transfer Development Rights

* Willing property owners would sell their development rights to a land trust established by the town.

* Developers could buy development rights from the land trust.

* Each development would have dedicated open space.

* Owners would not be required to sell the entire value of their property and would not be required to vacate their property without a pending development proposal.

Source: Carolina Beach draft master development plan

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20080225/NEWS/802250346

Raleigh-NC

February 25th, 2008, 08:06 PM

Now, this will take me a long time to read :) Thanks for resurrecting this thread.

CLTNC

February 25th, 2008, 11:54 PM

I hear that a lot of people from the north that are not happy with Florida, are moving to up to New Bern.

Raleigh-NC

February 26th, 2008, 06:07 AM

That will be a good move, if you ask me. BTW, New Bern has a cute downtown area, if I remember well.

Prosciutto

February 26th, 2008, 07:39 PM

I hear that a lot of people from the north that are not happy with Florida, are moving to up to New Bern.

There are so many of these people now that the media calls them "half-backs" because they move half-way back to where they came from.

Greenville-NC

February 27th, 2008, 07:05 PM

Yeah, we are getting our fair share of carpetbaggers in Greenville too. I met a couple from Cleveland who seemed to be very friendly (unlike the experiences i have shared with others in the past)

Raleigh-NC

February 27th, 2008, 09:06 PM

I would love to see a [healthy] population growth in Eastern NC, along with a few corporate investments.

StevenW

March 1st, 2008, 02:12 AM

^^ It will, one day, I'm sure. :)

randommichael

March 3rd, 2008, 10:23 PM

I hear that a lot of people from the north that are not happy with Florida, are moving to up to New Bern.

I know a ton of people who live in Florida who are moving up to the NC area. For starters, insurance rates are crazy here. I know someone who has a 2,500 sq ft house that lives 7 miles inland and their property insurance is $8500 a year...then their property tax is $14,000 a year. That's nuts. If Florida doesn't get this under control, people are going to be moving out in droves. Look for Floridians to start moving north. Several of the ones I know are moving to the mountains, but a few are moving to the coastal areas.

TarheelsCubs

March 4th, 2008, 09:44 AM

This may sound crazy, but I love eastern NC just the way it is. I do like the growth New Bern is seeing right now. Most of it is downtown....which I like to see. The new Bridgeton project is really going to be huge! 2000 new jobs in just one project! I hope it does not fall through like the one directly across the river did. :)

Don't know if these projects are talked about here. I will try to find some links later. But lots of condos are either about to begin construction....or already under construction downtown.

snookums

March 4th, 2008, 09:54 AM

Yeah, we are getting our fair share of carpetbaggers in Greenville too. I met a couple from Cleveland who seemed to be very friendly (unlike the experiences i have shared with others in the past)

Yup, there are carpetbaggers all over NC now. Some are great; some are not so great. Good thing is many that I have met seemed to be pretty nice, respectful people.

I also love eastern NC and prefer it overall to the rest of the state. :cheers:

Keep us updated on whats happening there!

snookums

March 4th, 2008, 09:55 AM

This may sound crazy, but I love eastern NC just the way it is.

Same here :)

Raleigh-NC

March 4th, 2008, 04:23 PM

I see why we want to keep Eastern NC "pure", but I it scares me that certain counties are economically hit, without immediate growth to help the local population maintain that purity. Either Eastern NC will be transformed, or it will die a slow death. Of course, I do not wish to see a dramatic transformation, so I am merely speaking of economic stimulus in the form of new employers moving to that area. Hopefully, we'll also see some [good] urban growth in towns like New Bern, Kinston, Edenton, Elizabeth City, Washington, etc.

TarheelsCubs

March 8th, 2008, 07:19 AM

I was in New Bern today. The condos beside the Sheraton looked amazing! The view was great from the double bridges on 70 as well. I took my camera....but it was pouring down rain the entire time! :ohno:

So sorry no pictures. I am not a big picture taker anyway. I also noticed new downtown condos on Front St. Very nice looking well. They were working full steam ahead on the new drawbridge. Overall, the city looked great. Downtown was packed! Even with the drawbridge closed! (people have to drive way out of their way to get downtown right now)

Sorry about no pictures. I really am camera shy though. I don't like getting out and taking peoples pictures. But the rain really was heavy! :cheers:

(my digital camera is also about shot. I have to bang on it sometimes for it to work. With the rain and all.....thats why it was hard to get pictures)

Condos beside sheraton:

http://www.skysailnewbern.com/images/site/site1.jpg

not the best rendering, they look better in real life

http://www.skysailnewbern.com/images/site/site2.jpg

Close up....looks very much like the actual product!

Raleigh-NC

March 9th, 2008, 05:43 AM

Can't wait to check out New Bern, again. I was there many years ago and I was impressed with their downtown area. I will take photos, though, since I am not camera shy :lol:

StevenW

March 9th, 2008, 03:31 PM

TarheelsCubs

March 12th, 2008, 06:24 AM

Thanks for the updates.

BTW, since you live in Greenville, are there any indoor or outdoor skate-parks?
I know there is a famous X-Games star that either lives there or practices there. I forget his name.

Yes, there are several in Greenville. I don't skate myself, so I can't tell you anything else about it.

TarheelsCubs

March 28th, 2008, 07:23 AM

More New Bern News: :banana:

http://www.newbernsj.com/news/building_38909___article.html/permit_bern.html

Raleigh-NC

March 28th, 2008, 02:22 PM

snookums

March 30th, 2008, 03:26 AM

That is definitely excellent news, and I can't wait to see renderings of Colonial Place and Talbot's. Sounds like New Bern is slowly getting a little taller. Maybe one day we will see some taller structures appearing in the town's skyline. With a nice view of the water, it will be hard to imagine that nobody wants to take advantage of the location. Thanks for the link :okay:

We will see.
The article says that this new development will fit right in with the old historical buildings. But I have grown wary of most new development in our state. Some of it is good, but a lot of it isnt. And some towns like New Bern must retain their historical colonial charm and character. Lets keep all of the new 'crap' development to the "big 5" NC Piedmont cities.
I am for GOOD development that fits in/compliments/does not overshadow the existing historical buildings. Despite the bad sprawl, Fayetteville has done an excellent job with its DT renovation and new condos. I was down there not too long ago and the new condos DT look fantastic; the condos are 3-story brick buildings with curved tin roofs. Wish I had taken pics last time I was there.
But New Bern is one of North Carolina's oldest colonial towns (second oldest) and it should stay as such and not turn into some overdeveloped hi-rise nightmare.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Bern,_North_Carolina

http://www.visitnewbern.com/

http://www.newbern.com/

New Bern aerial:

http://www.drwilliamhand.com/Dr.%20Hand's%20Office%20Downtown%20New%20Bern.jpg

Found this fantastic pic of New Bern:

http://www.curtiscc.com/Tryon%201.jpg
:cheers:

Raleigh-NC

March 30th, 2008, 07:59 AM

I don't think that a skyline has to be consisted of Miami-type skyscrapers to look great. 15-20 story buildings (especially residential ones) won't hurt New Bern's fabric. Nor they have to be placed next to historic low-rises. There are areas that can easily host a few taller buildings. Again, nothing overwhelming to historic areas.

TarheelsCubs

March 30th, 2008, 08:29 AM

Raleigh-NC

March 30th, 2008, 07:28 PM

There is no doubt that good quality development will follow once 2-3 good projects get built. I will certainly visit New Bern again and check things out a little more. Feel free to give us some details, though. Speaking just for me, I am a little familiar with the downtown area, but not much, and I want to hear more.

snookums

March 31st, 2008, 04:20 AM

New Bern is not doing everything right....I will say that. A prime example, along front st, the street that you are on once you cross the draw bridge. On the water front, you have a large comfort suits......no special design, just your typical comfort suits design with large parking lot in front. Beside it, they built a gas station? WTF!? This is prime....and I mean prime time waterfront propery in historic downtown New Bern! What the hell were they thinking?

They also built some cheap ugly condos behind the ramada inn and Outback, which was also prime trent river front propety. I mean cheapo! They look like apartment complexes you see in any spawl town. They are not Brick either!

There are some other examples I could give but since you guys are not familiar with New Bern, you would not understand what I was saying. (maybe)

But overall, I am happy. Just a few missed chances IMO. :)

TarheelsCubs, didn't you grow up in New Bern?
How has it changed over the years?

New Bern sure has some pretty areas similar to the last pic I posted:
http://consultwebs.com/ncphotos/new_bern/nb_5446_550wm.jpg
http://consultwebs.com/ncphotos/new_bern/nb_5444_550wm.jpg
http://consultwebs.com/ncphotos/new_bern/marina_0463_550wm.jpg
http://consultwebs.com/ncphotos/new_bern/nb_5452_550wm.jpg
Needs some renovation:

http://consultwebs.com/ncphotos/new_bern/downtown_5430_550wm.jpg

Love the curved roof and style of the Craven County Courthouse in New Bern:
http://consultwebs.com/ncphotos/new_bern/crav_cty_crt_5396_550wm.jpg
http://consultwebs.com/ncphotos/new_bern/crvn_cty_crt_5403_550wm.jpg

City Hall:

http://consultwebs.com/ncphotos/new_bern/city_hall_5416_550wm.jpg
http://consultwebs.com/ncphotos/new_bern/city_hall_5422_550wm.jpg

More here:
http://consultwebs.com/ncphotos/new_bern_nc_pg1.htm

Here is a nice pic of downtown New Bern:
http://www.whitneynewbern.com/images/downtown.jpg

I think this is the area you were talking about along the waterfront that has generic development:
http://www.drwilliamhand.com/images/New%20Bern%20Aerial%20copy.jpg
http://images.hotel-rates.com/hotelimages/s/000000/000628A.jpg

Found another great pic of historic DT New Bern (small pic):
http://www.newbern-properties.com/Newbern1.JPG

Looks like historic downtown NB is actually set back a bit from the waterfront area that has the generic development. I agree with Raleigh-NC that the waterfront area could use some mid and maybe even some high-rise buildings. But I still think we should keep NB historic and not turn it into a big coastal town; it should stay it's size more or less.

Maybe you and Raleigh-NC can take some real pics of NB so I wont have to post water-marked pics from the web.:lol:

Raleigh-NC

March 31st, 2008, 06:18 AM

Thanks for posting all these images of New Bern. Most definitely, I will need to get there and take a load of photos, but I am not sure I will be able to do this any time soon. My baby is just a little over 4 months old and I am not sure he will do well on a trip like this. Once he grows up a little more I will definitely take a day trip to New Bern. Lots of potential for great photos!!!

TarheelsCubs

March 31st, 2008, 07:12 AM

Yeah, grew up in New Bern. Moved to Raleigh in 2000.

I say a lot has changed. West of downtown has remained the same. Downtown to this point has not changed much. A couple new condos plus the really large condos they are buiding beside the Sheraton. (which the outside is almost finished) They look really good. Tons of new stuff coming though.

This biggest changes are in James city (east New Bern) This is the side of town I lived in. Everything new is being built out there. You know, all your retail and stuff, along with new subdivisions. The place hardly looks the same!

Downtown all the buildings seem occupied. Lots of foot traffic during the daytime hours....and lots of traffic. Really nice places to eat as well.

I don't think it is a stretch to say that New Bern is the best town in eastern NC. With the exceptions of Wilmington and maybe Greenville. (one could argue that of course)

I think the best Eastern NC towns are

Wilmington
New Bern (lived here a long time)
Greenville (attend ECU) Older student
Wilson (Born and also raised)

I count Raleigh as central NC. But I guess one can argue Raleigh being east as well.

The rest of the town have problems.......lol

Raleigh-NC

March 31st, 2008, 02:57 PM

Really nice places to eat as well.
One of the best Cordon Bleu chicken I've had was in New Bern :)

Here are some more photos, starting with a Colonial Place rendering. I think it looks nice:

http://www.eddiejones.org/swirling/images/colonialplace.jpg

http://pics4.city-data.com/cpicc/cfiles33070.jpg
Photo is courtesy of Blade (found at City-Data.com)

http://www.mooresunlimited.com/images/Sheraton_New_Bern_NC.gif

http://festivalsandevents.com/photo/917365870696052mumfe1.jpg

http://cdn-801.homes.com/c1/imgsrv/d1/80/162654801.jpg

http://www.unc.edu/bustour/1999/99bus1-7.jpg

Raleigh-NC

April 1st, 2008, 10:54 PM

I found some information on this and wanted to share the link: 300 Front Street (http://www.hagersmith.com/architecture/southFrontStreet1.html). Is this project built yet? For those who do not wish to click on the link, here is the description (courtesy of Hager Smith Design PA):

300 Front South Street (New Bern, NC)
http://www.hagersmith.com/architecture/images/A300FrontSt_1.jpg

* 60,000 SF
* 5 Story
* Mixed Use
* Regulatory Approval Process
* Site Planning
* Architectural Design

The vision for this lot was a five story, brick building which would abut the adjacent public sidewalks in keeping with the surrounding properties. The first floor of the 50,000 square foot building is retail development. The remaining upper floors will be residential condominiums or a boutique hotel. A small parking lot is provided interior to the site, with additional parking spaces being leased from an existing nearby lot. The project is presently in the approval process and has already received a Certificate of Appropriateness from New Bern’s Historic Preservation Commission.
I don't know how you guys feel, but I LOVE this design. It respects the historic fabric of New Bern and it is pretty urban. I wish we had projects like this planned for some areas in Raleigh (i.e. Blount Street Commons, Glen At Peace).

snookums

April 2nd, 2008, 07:53 AM

I really like that design as well, Raleigh-NC.
Looks like it goes well with the historic buildings and will probably look even better with age :cheers:

snookums

April 2nd, 2008, 08:03 AM

Found more pics of NB.

Old pic of City Hall:
http://www.degraffenreid.org/images/267_PinkNub_nCityHallWeb.gif

Better (small) pic of Craven County Courthouse:
http://www.nccourts.org/images/county/Craven.jpg

There are more pics of the two buildings, but I dont want to be too redundant with posting more pics of them.

snookums

April 2nd, 2008, 08:06 AM

Bigger pic of 300 Front Street:
http://www.uhfdevelopmentgroup.com/files/Projects/TheColonial-front.jpg

I agree, Raleigh-NC. Looks like a great building plan :)

Raleigh-NC

April 2nd, 2008, 03:22 PM

Is that couple on the top planning on jumping down, or they are enjoying the view? :lol: Thanks for the larger image, it certainly makes some difference!!! I can even see the Talbots signs on the awning :)

snookums

April 2nd, 2008, 11:26 PM

You crack me up :lol:

Here is the development happening in DT Fayetteville.
This is bigger than I remember. This development includes Penthouses, Condos, and Townhomes.
They have not updated pics since September of last year, but at least they have pics of its various stages and progress

They have many pics on there but I cant upload them here....I tried :(
Here is a rendering of it though:
http://www.300hay.com/images/300hay_plans_06.gif

http://www.300hay.com/estates.php

:cheers:

Raleigh-NC

April 3rd, 2008, 06:10 AM

Yes, I have followed this development since the early stages. DT Fayetteville is far more organic and has more character than people give it credit for. I just hope to see a few major proposals, and consequently a little additional momentum in the next few years.

EasternNC Pirate

April 18th, 2008, 03:33 AM

The proposed hospital tower will have six stories and be approximately 166,640 s ...

Thursday, April 17, 2008, 10:10 AM

No opposition voiced for patient tower

By Janet Conner-Knox | Daily Times Staff Writer

Wednesday morning's public hearing on the new proposed hospital tower for the Wilson Medical Center was completed in 15 minutes.
The public hearing is part of the process that the state requires for the hospital to get its certificate of need for the project.

"It is mandated by law to let the public voice their opinion, but this went very smooth. I expected that it would," said Gene Deporter, state hearing officer.

Rick Hudson, WilMed's chief executive officer, read an official statement on why the new hospital tower was needed, and then the floor was open to the pubic.

Luella Gunther of Wilson 20/20 Vision said that she totally supports the new tower, and Grady Robbins, Wilson County Commissioner, said the new tower is what the community needs.

With nobody voicing any disagreements with the proposed project, Deporter said he will go back to Raleigh to continue to review the materials that hospital officials have given to him.

Hudson said that he was also pleased with how the hearing went and the next announcement about the tower won't be until late summer.

"We will now be looking more closely at the nuts and bolts of the design with the architect," he said.

Hudson said the new tower will have six stories and be approximately 166,640 square feet. One hundred and two existing licensed medical-surgical beds, 24 women's and children's beds, and three neonatal level III beds will be moved from the current hospital tower to the new tower. That will give the new tower a total bed capacity of 129 licensed beds.

The existing tower will be used by WilMed for different functions, but much of that has not been decided yet.

Hudson said the new rooms will be larger and will allow more privacy for patients. They will also have larger bathrooms and more room to get equipment and staff around patient's beds.

"Some of our rooms don't have private showers, in particular in the OB suites," said Hudson.

There will also be an area in the new rooms where a family member can spend the night with a patient.

"We want our patients to be as comfortable as possible. The building we currently have was built close to 47 years ago. Just renovating the old building won't be enough and would not be cost effective," said Hudson.

The exact location of were the tower will be built has not be decided yet.

"We are still leaving our options open on that," said Connie Rhem, corporate communications manager. "At one point we thought about putting the tower out back where the executive parking is now, and another time in front of the existing hospital. We are still looking at what would be best,"

The total estimated cost for the tower is $73 million. The hospital plans to finance $60 million with a tax-exempt bond issue and use a combination of their reserves and capital campaign to go pay for the remaining $13 million.

The hospital has already received letters of credit from their banks and bond issuers for $70 million.

See picture at http://www.wilsondaily.com/ViewImage/N-PATIENT-BED-TOWER-E-85B4C-jpg

Raleigh-NC

April 18th, 2008, 06:47 AM

Thanks for the update, and welcome to the forum EasternNC Pirate :)

TarheelsCubs

April 18th, 2008, 09:39 AM

Great news for Wilson. It is kind of hard to tell anything about the rendering right now. And it is funny how they keep calling it a "tower" :lol:

But hey....Wilson is under going a small boom right now. And a new hospital is never a bad thing huh?

I just prey they build the new "tower" :lol: right there on Tarboro st. Either in the parking lot like the article said...or across the street.

Everything in Wilson is moving out to I-95. If the new hospital could stay right there on Tarboro st...it would be a huge boost to this slowly fading area.

This really is great news for Wilson, hell....it could save the mall in the long run. :cheers:

Raleigh-NC

April 18th, 2008, 03:31 PM

The funniest thing is when they speak of skyline improvements with 3-story buildings... Yes, it happened with one project in Fayetteville :lol: Some journalists need to get a clue.

I have to pay Wilson a visit some day... Last time I went there was many years ago. Back then I could see the potential, but I have to check out the current status of its downtown. One of the things I like about Wilson is how nicely laid out the town is, particularly the area inside the Ward Blvd loop. Many great opportunities for urbanity, without a doubt.

Prosciutto

April 18th, 2008, 09:01 PM

More great news for downtown Wilmington. :cheers:

CFCC trustees get look at $280 million plan for college's future
By Angela Mack,
Staff Writer
Published: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 at 3:30 a.m.

The public wants more from Cape Fear Community College. More programs to train the local work force, more courses that produce qualified health care professionals.

While the demand is reassuring to college officials, they don't have enough space to house it all.

A proposed facilities master plan recently presented to the CFCC Board of Trustees answers the question of where additional programs and services could go.

According to the draft, five projects would be completed on the college's downtown campus, including turning the former Wilmington police headquarters into classroom space, offices, a one-stop student services center and a 2,500-seat auditorium. The North Campus would be home to seven new projects, including classroom buildings, a conference center and a field house.

It'll take nearly $280 million to bring the entire plan to fruition. Where the money will come from is still in the development phase.

Until funding is nailed down, the college will continue what it's been doing: serving the 20,000-plus students it enrolls each year and sadly turning away those it doesn't have room for.

"It's kind of heartbreaking when you see people want to become a nurse and your programs are full to capacity," CFCC President Eric McKeithan said, adding that the college couldn't accept 800 to 1,000 prospective students this past year because of lack of space.

"We just train as many people as we can. Tell people we're sorry and turn them away."

As part of advanced planning documents required by the N.C. Community College System, college officials worked with community stakeholders and consultants to develop a long-range plan and 14-point draft facilities master plan. The final facilities plan is due by May 30. The plan must address projected enrollment and predicted program growth until 2013. CFCC officials extended their plan another 15 years.

In March, Jack Claywell with LS3P Associates and Denise Freund with WK Dickson informed CFCC trustees about each proposed project, the rationale behind placement of the buildings and various site restrictions at each campus.

CFCC's downtown campus is 25 acres, and many of its buildings are reaching capacity. The North Campus has 142 acres but half are unusable due to wetlands, a 240-feet-wide right-of-way for a major power line and zoning requirements.

The draft facilities master plan is aligned with bond referendums passed for CFCC facilities that, for instance, restrict the North Campus to vocational and technical programs.

CFCC Trustee Griffin Weld said that in the past, the college has been criticized by the public for building downtown, but the draft master plan shows why the building occurred.

In addition to classroom space, the facilities master plan makes the campus more pedestrian friendly and creates more parking for students and staff."I'm greatly concerned about students getting from one building to the next building," said Ken McGee, vice chairman of the CFCC Board of Trustees. "We need to keep our students and faculty off the streets."

Making the best use of CFCC's existing buildings is also a key goal of the plan. For example, the Schwartz Center would become a two-story building so it can serve dual purposes and parking can be increased on campus. The Emmart and Burnett buildings would be replaced with a multistory "Riverside Complex" for Culinary, Hotel and Restaurant Management, Boat Building and Marine Technology classes to maximize the use of the CFCC riverfront.

All of the proposed facilities plans seemed favorable to CFCC trustees. One board member didn't hesitate to state the obvious: "All we need is money," said Bill Rose.

McKeithan said the state and county are the college's only two options for funding future building projects.

Trustees haven't officially called for a local bond referendum to pay for new facilities. The idea, however, isn't being avoided.

"It's certainly a discussion point," McKeithan said. "You can't do facilities planning without saying how are you going to pay for it."

Angela Mack: 343-2009

angie.mack@starnewsonline.com

CFCC MASTER PLAN

A draft master plan for new facilities at Cape Fear Community College recently was presented to the Board of Trustees. Fourteen proposed priorities and cost estimates have been recommended. Here are brief descriptions of each:

Priority 1: Union Station, downtown campus

Size: 100,000 square feet

Cost: $43 million

Location: former Wilmington Police Department headquarters, Red Cross Street

Classroom space for growing Humanities and Fine Arts Department; offices for counseling, financial aid, job placement, business office operations and other support services; one-stop student services center for admissions and registration; 2,500-seat auditorium; additional parking

Priority 2: Health/Natural Sciences Building, downtown campus

Size: 100,000 square feet

Cost: $32 million

Location: corner of Third and Walnut streets

Classroom space to accommodate growing need for health care technicians and decrease overcrowding of existing biology, anatomy and physiology classes and labs; additional parking

Priority 3: Advanced and Emerging Technologies Center, North Campus

Size: 115,000 square feet

Cost: $28 million

Training space for existing and new programs that serve local industries

Priority 4: Safety Training Classroom, North Campus

Size: 23,331 square feet

Cost: $4.7 million

Location: Safety Training Center

Classroom building for fire, law and rescue personnel, which could not be funded because of increased building costs in the Safety Training Center construction budget

Priority 5: Burgaw Center Expansion, Burgaw Center

Size: 20,000 square feet

Cost: $4 million

Classroom space for CFCC students and Pender Early College High School students.

Priority 6: Surf City Campus

Size: 35 acres, 30,000 square-foot building

Cost: $7.2 million for land and construction

Classroom space to serve eastern Pender County including Hampstead

Priority 7: Arts and Sciences Center, North Campus

Size: 100,000 square feet

Cost: $20 million

General education classroom space for math, English, social sciences and natural sciences

Priority 8: Physical Education/Health/Fitness Addition to Schwartz Center, downtown campus

Size: 90,000 square feet

Cost: $33 million

Location: Schwartz Center parking lot

Multipurpose space for numerous physical education activities; offices; box offices; storage space; 750-space parking deck

Priority 9: Continuing Education Center, downtown campus

Size: 102,000 square feet

Cost: $25 million

Location: General Administration Building

Classroom space for continuing education classes; multipurpose recital auditorium with 300 elevated seats that could double as a large lecture hall or planetarium/IMAX theater

Priority 10: Riverside Complex, downtown campus

Size: 100,000 square feet

Cost: $28 million

Location: Emmart and Burnett buildings

Replace the two oldest and most outdated single-story buildings with multistory facilities for Culinary, Hotel and Restaurant Management, Boat Building and Marine Technology classes while maximizing the use of the CFCC riverfront

Priority 11: North Campus Conference Center, North Campus

Size: 100,000 square feet

Cost: $20 million

Conference space, general classrooms for GED, adult high school and other continuing education programs

Priority 12: Instructional/Student Support Services Building, North Campus

Size: 70,000 square feet

Cost: $14 million

Offices for student development, business and instructional support

Priority 13: Small Business Incubator, North Campus

Size: 60,000 square feet

Cost: $12 million

Building to support CFCC entrepreneurial programs and stimulate entrepreneurship among students

Priority 14: Field House, North Campus

Size: 28,000 square feet

Cost: $5.6 million

Facility for lockers, showers, bathrooms, offices and equipment and grounds maintenance storage space for outdoor sports such as soccer, baseball and softball

Sources: Cape Fear Community College, LS3P Associates, WK Dickson

– Angela Mack

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20080415/ARTICLE/804140337/1038/news01&title=CFCC_trustees_get_look_at__280_million_plan_for_college_s_future#

TarheelsCubs

April 18th, 2008, 09:32 PM

Wow, that is a serious upgrade for the Cape Fear campus. And yeah, having to turn away 1000 nursing students is a lot! I guess most of these 1000 probably ended up attending other eastern NC community colleges....which is not a bad thing.

Hopefully all the plans go through. :cheers:

Raleigh-NC

April 19th, 2008, 06:21 AM

Very ambitious plan, indeed :okay: Great news, anyway we look at it!!!

snookums

April 21st, 2008, 11:52 PM

The funniest thing is when they speak of skyline improvements with 3-story buildings... Yes, it happened with one project in Fayetteville :lol: Some journalists need to get a clue.

That "one project" in Fayetteville is a BIG project including townhomes, condos and other structures downtown. Dont be so hard on Fayetteville :bash: .....it is coming along. And frankly, the city makes more sense than the "big 5" Piedmont cities in NC because Fayetteville is on the Cape Fear River. Cant say the same about Raleigh, Charlotte, Greensboro, Durham, or Winston-Salem....
Asheville, Wilmington and even Fayetteville make more sense and have LOTS of potential to really blossom because they are all on a river. Wilmington is on the Cape Fear AND is right there at the Atlantic, Fayetteville is also on the Cape Fear and Asheville is on 2 rivers: Swannanoa and French Broad.

snookums

April 21st, 2008, 11:53 PM

Great news for Wilmington :okay:

Raleigh-NC

April 22nd, 2008, 06:19 AM

No, it was not the project you are talking about. The one I speak of was offices. If I find the link to the video I will share it, but don't hold your breath, it's been a while :( BTW, I am not hard on Fayetteville... I am probably one of the few forumers who like the city's revitalization efforts and appreciate the work done there. However, I am harsh on stupid reporters who don't know how to report the news.

TarheelsCubs

May 14th, 2008, 02:09 AM

Wow! It looks like the Global Transpark in Kinston might make it after all!

Check out the article from WRAL http://http://www.wral.com/business/story/2874398/ (http://www.wral.com/business/story/2874398/)

1100 jobs with an average salary of 70,000 dollars a year! The plant overtime could employ up to 5000 people

This is huge, huge news for eastern NC :banana:

Raleigh-NC

May 14th, 2008, 06:43 AM

Yes, I read the good news and cheered, too :) A major step forward for Eastern Carolina's economy.

Smallville

May 14th, 2008, 07:48 AM

Yes, this is great news. They could really use those jobs in the Eastern part of the state.

g-man430

May 14th, 2008, 08:28 AM

Yes, this is great news. They could really use those jobs in the Eastern part of the state.

Why? Are they losing jobs or something? If they are then not as much as we lost here when the textiles moved overseas. :yes:

Raleigh-NC

May 14th, 2008, 02:37 PM

Flooding in Eastern North Carolina has discouraged a lot of investors, including existing businesses.

TwinCity

May 14th, 2008, 03:55 PM

wow, this is huge for Kinston and Eastern NC! I hope there are many more annoucments like this follow!

snookums

May 15th, 2008, 04:21 AM

Great news for eastern NC! That part of the state needs this.

Smallville

May 16th, 2008, 05:16 AM

Why? Are they losing jobs or something? If they are then not as much as we lost here when the textiles moved overseas. :yes:

Have you ever been to Eastern Norh Carolina? If you haven't take US 70 from Raleigh and you will understand why I wrote this. Not alot happening down that way, trust me. I personaly kind of like it like that because I can get away from all the hustle and bustle in the Triad and Triangle and enjoy the slow lane for a while.

Raleigh-NC

May 16th, 2008, 06:17 AM

Not so fast, Smallville, things may change fast: Eastern N.C. ready for economic boom (http://news14.com/content/top_stories/595781/eastern-n-c--ready-for-economic-boom/Default.aspx) :lol:

Infoman

June 8th, 2008, 04:24 AM

In greenville there's a good amount of development some that isnt needed here are a few:

A new wal-mart is in the planning on 10 st
A new Hampton Inn on Greenville Blvd (5 levels) under construction
A new 6 level childrens hospital www.reflector.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/06/02/Announcement.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=9
About 2 new Starbucks have opened (not needed at all)
11 Galleria a 400,000 sq ft shopping center that has two stores now with a 3rd on the way sears, kohls, fresh market at one point it seemed to be on hold.
winterville itself is building its first shopping center with over 200,000 sq ft.

our downtown is going no where with our tallest being 4 stories if you dont include ecu, they are trying to redevelope it but with national chains which isnt good.

it seems as if we are ingnoring that the housing market has slowed up here with lots of new homes empty why the f**k are they still building them

Infoman

June 8th, 2008, 04:31 AM

My friend who works at target (in greenville) told me that they are looking to relocate from Evans street to some location in Winterville near PCC pretty soon that will be Greenville anyway so who gives a what.

Infoman

June 8th, 2008, 05:08 AM

Has anybody been to greenville and seen this new project on evans street, and greenville blvd on the former site of ragazzis (mispelled). Its nice with around 5 unneeded retail spots and no parking spots (around 10 parking spots). what has greenville came to, building retail while its not needed I can give you lots of examples The New Movie Theater only has 1 store attell out of around 20 slots, memorial drive pawn shop has added 3 new retail units none are occupied, A new strip shopping center on Firetower road that has a starbucks and around 3 retail slots starbucks is the only thing there, downtown starbucks shopping center developed by brodyco which includes a starbucks has 3 retail slots empty and theres only three retail slots, in winterville they are building a new shopping center that dosent have any stores proposed besides starbucks and it will be 200,000 sq ft what the f**k have they lost there dang minds 200,000 sq ft with only starbucks the rest will just sit. the smartest thing they have built is 11 galleria which is on the former carolina east mall site they are building the stores as they are proposed but they still demolished a mall for NOTHING. we never want to redevelope down here demolish in downtown a atlanta condo developer wanted to demolish a old warehouse but the city denied it now looks what happens it catches fire and has to be demolished for condos sounds like a setup to me. im just typing so you dont have to read all this.

snookums

June 8th, 2008, 05:27 AM

Have you ever been to Eastern Norh Carolina? If you haven't take US 70 from Raleigh and you will understand why I wrote this. Not alot happening down that way, trust me. I personaly kind of like it like that because I can get away from all the hustle and bustle in the Triad and Triangle and enjoy the slow lane for a while.

Yup. Eastern NC is overall very "Old South".......very agrarian, slow paced, eastern NC accent, sandy soil, long leaf pines, etc. Parts of it are like time has stopped 100 years ago.
:cheers:

One one hand I hope we can preserve eastern NC like it is. But on the other hand I want it to do well economically. I hope eastern NC finds a good balance:)

Thanks for the news and updates on Greenville , Infoman:)

Infoman

June 8th, 2008, 05:34 AM

snookums

June 8th, 2008, 05:40 AM

youre welcome I live here but hate it im in high school and what to be a arictech and it seems like every time im about to move to some place bigger my mother decides she can live here a little bit longer so im f****d for 4 more years

Cool.
I see your location as: Greenville/Baltimore .....do you have family in Baltimore?
Do you not like Greenville because it isn't big enough? I need to get over there sometime.:)

Infoman

June 8th, 2008, 05:44 AM

IM FROM BALTIMORE BUT I LIVE IN GREENVILLE YES I DO HAVE FAMILY IN BALTIMORE AND GREENVILLE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT TRIES TO HARD TO BE BIG THAT IT CAUSES IT TO LOOK BAD. TO ME THIS IS A SMALL PLACE THOUGH.

TarheelsCubs

June 8th, 2008, 09:15 AM

Infoman,

I think you are being to hard on Greenville. What is different here than what is happening in every other city in the United States?

Have you ever been to Greenville SC? It really is no different.....sprawl, sprawl, sprawl. The only difference is SC's has a better downtown (for older people)....but Greenville SC was a large town a long time ago.....when downtowns were more important....same thing for Baltimore.

If they are building condos at the old warehouse site it is great news...fantastic news in fact. That is not the safest area in the world. This is the type of stuff needed to turn the area around. But yeah, the fire was strange....I agree.

I love downtown Greenville, NC. It is one big party with tons of hot chicks! There are very few small towns that have what Greenville has. Cool bars, places to eat, shops, and great health care. But yeah, downtown Greenville is only for young people.

I see great things for Greenville's future. With our medical school being ranked in the top ten best in the country....a cool college (ecu) and an already cool downtown, things will only get better in the future.

I will say this, I have more fun in downtown Greenville than downtown Raleigh by far. :cheers:

Infoman

June 8th, 2008, 10:14 PM

to tell you the truth i hate greenville, nc and raleigh downtowns neither have anything to do. as in sprawl theres is worse but with in the city its smart. thomas langston road has lots of homes underconstruction that arent needed yet. But greenville has done some good things like the new movie theater, trying to rebuild downtown, and well u tell me i dont know.

g-man430

June 8th, 2008, 10:24 PM

I'm confused. :cry: Which Greenville does he live in again? Mississippi?

StevenW

June 8th, 2008, 11:10 PM

TarheelsCubs

June 8th, 2008, 11:24 PM

:lol:to tell you the truth i hate greenville, nc and raleigh downtowns neither have anything to do. as in sprawl theres is worse but with in the city its smart. thomas langston road has lots of homes underconstruction that arent needed yet. But greenville has done some good things like the new movie theater, trying to rebuild downtown, and well u tell me i dont know.

What do you like to do for fun?

How can you say there is nothing to do in Greenville? You are in high school right? Good lord....when I was in high school, we were sneaking in every bar in downtown Greenville.....:lol:

What are you looking for? Museums? If you were over 40, I would understand. But I guess everyone is different. Nothing wrong with that.

Again, downtown Greenville rocks! Music, parties, girls, food, clubs, bars, and did I say girls? :lol:

Infoman

June 9th, 2008, 06:54 AM

g-man430

June 9th, 2008, 07:07 AM

I'm still confused. :cry: Somebody slap Raleigh-NC for me please so I can wake up. :D

TarheelsCubs

June 9th, 2008, 08:43 AM

Im not going to even lie im in the top 300 most popular freshmens and sophmores. so i do go to clubs BUT THEY ARE WACK. Downtown Greenville's tallest building is 4 levels wtf Wilson, NC which is way smaller has several taller buildings than that. I do like how the hilton hotel looks though but it seems to much of focal point. I wish our downtown was closer to winterville's so they could grow together and taller buildings would of had to been built fast because the room would have ran out fast causing a heigh increase. We do have a good hospital system. This is how it works when im here I hate it and talk lots of trash about it, but when i go to Baltimore my cousin tries to talk about it and I do defend it so I do have some love for it. alright. theres nothing to do. s**t. What can you do tell me all the arcades closed, bob zone closed, sports world closed, greenville fun park (needs to be brought up to date) know tell the truth. To me the funnest thing is Wal-Mart wtf. parties at one time a year wats going on now. nothing. im not being hard on greenville its just you guys try to hard to be big. the cities approval department dosent know how to say no.

Don't worry about what the tallest building is. Tallest buildings mean nothing. It is what is located at street level that is important. Outside of the club scene in Greenville....you are right...there is a ways to go. But if you take away the college pop..... Greenville is still a small town. I bet when you get to the 11th and 12th grade things will get a little better. I didn't sneak into the clubs till I was in the 11th grade.

I guess I really don't understand what you are talking about when you say there is nothing to do. I grew up in New Bern and Wilson....you think you have nothing to do...:lol:

We played baseball and basketball after school and on the weekends when we were not getting trashed.

I am at ECU now...my second time around. I went right after high school but partied my way out the door in just two years :lol:

I am doing much better this time. I only occasionally hit the clubs. Heck, most of the time I am in Raleigh and go to clubs their instead.

Greenville NC will never ever be Baltimore....would be cool though!

Infoman

June 9th, 2008, 09:00 AM

the street level sucks wtf. I don't care what you say something is wrong when city with 75,000 plus tallest building in its downtown is 4 stories. Maryland it would of least been 17 levels dang.

Infoman

June 9th, 2008, 09:05 AM

ECU is alright but it seems to be another focal point I understand that is here but it seems as if the put ECU students after The permanent residents sometimes. Its talked about to much. In Chapel Hill they are pround unc (and its the flagship) but does every store, restaurant, office, gas station, etc have something painted with unc on it no. They even went to the extremes here by painting a fire truck purple and gold isnt there guidelines.

Infoman

June 9th, 2008, 09:10 AM

OH no wonder why you think this place is so fun. So im going to say you like a lot more natural fun. see listen here boy (lol) im from the city where natural fun like isnt good. what is natural fun? I thought you would never ask natural fun to me is easy things not exactly dealing with nature but like playing basketball all day and football, in the city its more like going to stores, and going to downtown to clubs, etc. all i got is a few more years here anyway until i move and go to college in greenville, sc anyway so i better make the best of it.

Infoman

June 9th, 2008, 09:11 AM

its hard explain what I mean

TarheelsCubs

June 9th, 2008, 11:19 PM

ECU is Greenville! Without it....Greenville= Kinston....or worse even. Greenville should paint the streets purple and gold! :lol:

Chapel Hill, where MY heart lies....should paint their streets carolina blue!

But Greenvilles pop of 75K is mostly college students. Greenville, NC has no real urban pop. Greenville, SC's urban pop is 300,000!

To sum this thing up. You cannot compare Greenville, SC to Greenville, NC. These two cities are not even in the same league!

I think Greenville, NC is doing fairly well for a city of its size. We are a college town for crying out loud. Greenville does not have the jobs that SC's Greenville has. Everything here is medical....thanks to the school.

Another thing....there is no need for towers here yet. You talk about shopping centers going up around town without tenants..think about 10 story buildings going up around town without tenants! We are not there yet!

All of Greenville's mid rises are on campus. For good reason....thats the only place in town that can support that kind of construction!

Oh yeah...and don't forget the hospital and the new buildings and banks going up around it. They are over 4 stories!

Can I think of anything else? Na, not right now. :lol: :cheers:

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 12:15 AM

not suprised if they do paint the streets in downtown purple and gold.

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 12:17 AM

one bank 3 stories, one tower 6 levels heart tower, and another 6 level childrens hospital its building up in that area but greenville dosent have any banks of three stories because thats the tallest.

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 12:21 AM

i know they arent in the same leauge we are a small city, there a mid-classed city but you guys want to be bigger than them. If you read in the reflector like a month ago quote "we are only know east of Raleigh, and its going to be a good war with Greenville, SC" and as a matter of fact when yall won the small bussines city of the year award I went on the internet and looked and for greenville, nc picture it had a greenville, sc building saying it was in greenville, nc. now wtf

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 12:23 AM

TarheelsCubs

June 10th, 2008, 12:32 AM

I Belive if there wasnt a good hospital here and ecu was in new bern as planned we would be way smaller than kinston. but in greenville, sc if you take I-85 away we are just stuck with what we have. so i can "dis" both of the cities if i wanted to but i choose not to.

Wait a second. Now this is an interesting subject that I have argued with many people about.

What city did ECU want to build in originally?

Here is my original understanding. Wilson was the first choice for ECU, but the city leaders in Wilson did not want ECU because they were scared it would bury Atlantic Christian College (Barton).

The second choice was little Washington. Don;t know what happend there

I never heard anything about New Bern???

Here is my conclusion...none of the above is true till I see a link! :cheers:

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 01:00 AM

i thought it was new bern

g-man430

June 10th, 2008, 01:01 AM

I'm confused. Where's the penguin? :cry:

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 01:04 AM

Yes it is true.*LOL*. Wilson, NC with ECU that would have made them boom even harder than it already is.

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 06:47 AM

I went to downtown greenville about 3 nights ago and brodyco is rebuilding a old building. there is a rendering on it its like levels maybe.

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 07:02 AM

this has been scaled back now which is good
http://www.theshoppingcentergroup.com/content/Product-121-1-593.htm

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 07:06 AM

it was around 200,000 sq ft now its 90,000 sq ft with a farm fresh which is good for winterville, and also the fresh market is opening up just down the road probally will be good competiors.

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 07:15 AM

TarheelsCubs

June 10th, 2008, 07:34 AM

Wilson, NC construction econmy was booming last I went there is it still booming. last time I went there were the following things underconstruction:

Heritage Shopping Center-400,000 sq ft shopping center was almost finished
BB&T-wasnt even up yet (they are the land of the BB&T company every corner has something dealing with it)
Hampton Inn-was topped out at 4 or 5 levels.
Home Depot-was just opening
The new shopping center in front of lowes just broke ground
Chevorlet-was just starting to rise.
South Beale Meade had around 5 homes under construction
Farm Fresh-wasnt open yet
There new hospital didnt break ground yet and renderings weret out
I think thats it and the movie theater and mall were doing good is any of that still going on?

-The new BB&T is finished
-Heritage is open - Harris Teeter, Marshals, Target, Pet mart (or whatever the hell it's called..:lol:) star bucks, new wine and exotic cheese shop, hallmark, belks....and many other shops and stores. Your typical NC strip mall and shopping center. Still there is a small section not complete.
-Farm fresh is open, so is Home Depot
-Chevorlet is open
-new hospital has not broke ground
-Cook out is under construction
-many other things are under construction in that area.....I have no clue what they will be....wait and see I guess.

I have not been over there in a while....so there could be more things.

The link you provided for the shopping center in Greenville. Is that for the one at the old mall? When I was by there a few weeks ago....construction was far along. My mind is blank for anything big under construction on Fire Tower??

I am kind of out of the loop till Late June. I am out for the summer and spending time in Raleigh (my parents house) lol (if I stay at my parents house I will not spend as much money)

But back to school I go June 26th...:banana:

g-man430

June 10th, 2008, 07:48 AM

Which Greenville are we talking about? I'm still confused. :cry:

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 07:50 AM

Thank you for the update. The new shopping center is in Winterville. The mall is still far behind with only store underconstruction and it justed started rising like 4 days ago. Wilson Cookout is underconstruction finally. The project on firetower maybe on hold but it does have bull dozers on site. its by the new sheetz. 11 galleria is the name of the old mall site and a site plan hasnt been realesd yet.

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 07:51 AM

G-MAN if were in the Eastern NC development news thread which one are we talking about. I was in g-ville, sc for hours (i think)

g-man430

June 10th, 2008, 07:53 AM

G-MAN if were in the Eastern NC development news thread which one are we talking about. I was in g-ville, sc for hours (i think)

Ummm...Mississippi. :D

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 07:55 AM

^^ :lol: how did you know.

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 07:57 AM

my avg #of post a day is 58 wow while the average ssc is around 2 day

TarheelsCubs

June 10th, 2008, 08:46 AM

That makes more sense. I know about the one in winterville. For some reason I thought you were talking about fire tower. :cheers:

And G-Man....you might want to think about laying off whatever it is your doing??? :lol: It is bad for ya :bash:

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 09:21 AM

thats good that you know the location (i really could care less)

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 09:30 AM

tarheel i will have more post than you with in 5 days.

TarheelsCubs

June 10th, 2008, 09:41 AM

thats good that you know the location (i really could care less)

Hey, Hey...don't hurt my feelings :cry: lol

I even put you on my friends list....

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 06:36 PM

im youre only friend *lol*

Raleigh-NC

June 10th, 2008, 07:06 PM

I'm confused. Where's the penguin? :cry:
Taking a nap...

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 07:08 PM

Is Wilson County at the booming level yet tarheel

TarheelsCubs

June 10th, 2008, 11:24 PM

Is Wilson County at the booming level yet tarheel

It depends on what you mean by boom. They are under going a small building boom...outside of downtown of course. But the population is only slowly growing by maybe 1000 people per year max. The 2008 population should be right at 49,000 or 50,000 people. 50,000 people is normally the magic number for major retail chains :bash:

Infoman

June 10th, 2008, 11:27 PM

I thought it was a magic number but the most magical number is 500,000. I know there econmy is gaining lots of jobs.

Infoman

June 12th, 2008, 10:24 AM

http://www.cuttercreek.com/cc-lifestyle.php

Snow Hill, NC cutter creek a 630+ home development (I think lol) :nuts: :ohno:

StevenW

June 12th, 2008, 11:13 AM

Ritalin........

Infoman

June 12th, 2008, 10:05 PM

When do you guys think Greenville will see its new tallest over 11 levels (just to inform you our tallest buildings our dorms 10 levels or less each lol)

StevenW

June 12th, 2008, 10:42 PM

^^ Wasn't there a 40 story proposal way back when? :?

Infoman

June 12th, 2008, 10:45 PM

This is East Carolina Thread not Greenville, SC thread 40 stories here would look dumb. lol

StevenW

June 12th, 2008, 10:50 PM

^^ Nah, I say built it. Let people come from all over the flatlands to gaze at it's akwardness and beauty. :D

Infoman

June 12th, 2008, 10:53 PM

I belive a City named Wilson would get a 40 level tower before Greenville ever would
but neither will never see a 40 level tower unless BB&T decides to move its hq back to Wilson and Build a new tower with 25 levels thats the closest they would have to a 40 level tower. or if gasoline is founded there there would be very tall towers

g-man430

June 12th, 2008, 10:55 PM

I personally believe that US Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have maps and uhhh I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and uhhh the Iraq everywhere like such as and I believe that they should uhhh our education over here in the US should help the US or should help South Africa it should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future for.

StevenW

June 12th, 2008, 11:05 PM

Well, I believe rockymount sounds even better for city that would get a 40 story tower. But I think it would get a thirty story tower because Wilson and Greenville would be jelus and would want the 40 story towers first. I believe that people there should righjt there congressmen and complain about 40 story tower shortages.

Infoman

June 12th, 2008, 11:10 PM

LOL. Rocky Mount would get a 40 level tower before we do. See look Greenville, NC tries way to hard to be city when its just suburban. Rocky Mount to me is the only city in East Carolina that shows a little bit of urbanity (yeah its a real word).

Infoman

June 12th, 2008, 11:11 PM

But on the short hand RBC bank was hq in Rocky Mount but moved to Raleigh so I guess Rocky Mount had to of been in the Race for there new HQ.

Infoman

June 12th, 2008, 11:33 PM

where is everybody

g-man430

June 12th, 2008, 11:48 PM

Trying to avoid you. :D

Infoman

June 12th, 2008, 11:56 PM

^^ :ohno: :lol: thats mean. But how did you know :nuts:

snookums

June 13th, 2008, 01:49 AM

Rocky Mount to me is the only city in East Carolina that shows a little bit of urbanity (yeah its a real word).

You need to take a visit to Wilmington ;) Wilmington is our best coastal city: beautiful, historic, fairly dense and very walkable. :)

Infoman

June 13th, 2008, 03:06 AM

But to me its not in East Carolina. Also in Greenville the Hampton hotel is rising now.

StevenW

June 13th, 2008, 03:48 AM

^^ well, it's about east as you can get really.

TarheelsCubs

June 13th, 2008, 05:23 AM

snookums

June 13th, 2008, 05:35 AM

But to me its not in East Carolina. Also in Greenville the Hampton hotel is rising now.

WTF?? How is Wilmington not in eastern Carolina? :hilarious :lol: :rofl:
Like StevenW said: it is about as east as you can get......it is on the NC coast!!

Infoman

June 13th, 2008, 06:58 AM

Its just not on in East Carolina. On TV in Wilmington they dont say anything about East Carolina they say Myrtle Beach-Wilmington Market. It is also in the top three most dense counties in NC in the Carolinas at that. Im pretty sure that ECU would have been there if it were considered East Carolina. I would call it, its own market before calling it East Carolina. It is a lot more urban than any city in the area anyway.

Infoman

June 13th, 2008, 06:59 AM

If its on the coast call it Costal Carolina lol

Infoman

June 13th, 2008, 07:12 AM

Tarheel youre just jealous of Rocky Mount because there more urban than Greenville.
Rocky Mount

Has I-95 also U.S. 64 runs right through the city (greenville dosent have highways that go through the city)

There downtown is way larger than ours with taller buildings than 4 levels.

They dont try to get all suburban in the city (what I mean is they dont build suburbs with in the city ex Firetower road)

There mall is about the same as ours small.

But the downsides Crimes (we have more than them now), Bad Schools (we do have a advantage over them at that ours are good), The population isnt increasing fast but it is, No university (this proves that they dont need a college to grow though unlike us with ECU, and PCMH), Both of us have small airports (but at least ours has one gate and a airline I guess they dont need one due to RDU).

TarheelsCubs

June 13th, 2008, 07:37 AM

Infoman

June 13th, 2008, 07:39 AM

Thank you. and I agree with you saying there downtown is dead. I mean dang nothin no clubs, no stores, no nothin. lol
plus if it is in East Carolina the metropolitan would contain a half of the population lol.

Infoman

June 13th, 2008, 07:41 AM

and thank you backing me up saying that we dont say its east carolina beacuse I can tell they were going to start yip yapping saying "its in east carolina look at the map cant you see" lol

Raleigh-NC

June 13th, 2008, 03:04 PM

You guys are comedians, aren't you? :lol: If Wilmington isn't Eastern North Carolina, then what is? Charlotteans may think they are a completely separate state, but Charlotte is still in North Carolina. Wilmington can claim the title of the East-most town more than Greenville and Rocky Mount, the latter being more part of the Triangle, anyway (see the map of the Triangle, below):

http://www.forhomebuyers.com/raleigh-map.gif

Yeap!!! Rocky Mount barely makes it, but it is still part of the Triangle ;)

StevenW

June 13th, 2008, 03:20 PM

good points.

Raleigh-NC

June 13th, 2008, 04:05 PM

This is about Pinehurst, which may not be as Eastern as Raleigh, but we don't have any other place to share the news: Ritz-Carlton may put hotel in Pinehurst (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2008/06/16/story2.html). Brilliant!!! Raleigh can't f*ckin' get a Ritz-Carlton, yet Pinehurst does :( No disrespect to the latter, it is more like: WTF is wrong with Raleigh sometimes? I guess they want to make sure g-man and his golf buddies have a nice place to stay if they decide to visit Pinehurst or Southern Pines :lol:

Infoman

June 13th, 2008, 04:40 PM

No more importantly is Baltimore dosnet have one but they are HQ right in Maryland WTF. Atlanta is working on its 3rd or 4th why while Baltimore only has a Ritz-Carlton Residents (exspensive prices begin in the 5 millions I think).

StevenW

June 13th, 2008, 04:41 PM

You know, I never realised just how many awesome projects are going on in Raleigh. It's really booming!!!

Raleigh-NC

June 13th, 2008, 06:23 PM

Sorry Infoman, but Baltimore isn't experiencing the same growth with Atlanta. You are right, though, it is a shame if Baltimore doesn't have a Ritz-Carlton when they hotel chain headquarters in Maryland.

StevenW, I won't lie to you... Raleigh is going through a decent pace of growth, particularly in the downtown area. Kind of hard to see it when the big city (Charlotte) gets so many nice projects and attention. Raleigh can be easily overlooked, no matter how well represented it is in the forums. What we see here is a steady number of decent projects that will create density and function as catalysts. Since we speak about Eastern North Carolina, though, let me share my hope that Raleigh, Durham, Fayetteville and Wilmington will become good models for, and create strong connections with the rest of our towns in the Eastern section of the state. It would be a shame if we forget all these great areas that make up a large portion of North Carolina. New Bern, Greenville, Goldsboro, Kinston, Washington... They all deserve some love, but also a little inspiration from the bigger urban centers of the state. Of course, we'll need to connect the Triangle cities and towns first, but that is another topic for discussion.

Just my 2 cents...

Infoman

June 13th, 2008, 08:24 PM

I hate in Greenville, NC that every damn shopping center has a Triangle on it examples the new movie theater has those two triangles on top of it, the shopping center where target is has triangles, Where bestbuy is triangles, Moye Blvd a small strip center with 1 store has like 5 triangles, its just stupit to me. Also Tarheel have you noticed all the Pirate statues everywhere there los of them in Downtown.

Infoman

June 13th, 2008, 08:34 PM

Here is on of the statues I was talking about on the cities offical website

http://www.greenvillenc.gov/news_events/default.aspx?id=4404

StevenW

June 13th, 2008, 10:39 PM

Washington, NC deserves a skyscraper. As does Williamston, Elisabeth City, Plymouth, Belhaven, Bath, Swanquarter and Pungo.

TarheelsCubs

June 13th, 2008, 10:57 PM

I think Lizard Lick deserves a skyscraper by now. It's a thriving town about 20 miles east of Raleigh. :lol:

NCMike1981

June 13th, 2008, 11:07 PM

^LOL....or Mount Olive could get a giant Pickle skyscraper

Infoman

June 13th, 2008, 11:24 PM

Good one NCMike. Anyone who dosent know what he's talking about there is a pickle company named Mount Olive.

Raleigh-NC

June 13th, 2008, 11:48 PM

Duplin County deserves one... It will have the shape of a wine bottle :lol:

StevenW

June 14th, 2008, 01:01 AM

Has anyone been to Belhaven lately? Does it still smell like crabs?

Infoman

June 14th, 2008, 07:41 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/2488999659_3d82dcc8df.jpg?v=0 Farm Fresh is rising now.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/112903149_279fd03154_m.jpg
A little bit of a beautiful city-hall

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2117/2387710659_ae9ae54d83_m.jpg another view of our city-hall

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3048/2575910701_4eba1937ff_m.jpg Forest fire smoke over Greenville (NC just for G-man :nuts:)

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/112712175_ef9e0b6b65_m.jpg
another view of City hall

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1135/1217140897_4137dccc70_m.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3007/2461459219_ef76e7c4e8_m.jpg The worlds largest bull s**t ampitheater :lol:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/32/52716558_6ba0b33930_m.jpg
would have been a good location for urban lofts oh well.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/15/18931567_5b15251bf3.jpg?v=0
a pic of our wonderful 5th street :nuts:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2296/2335462355_979d4cdeee.jpg?v=0 this is closest thing we have of the reedy in greenville, sc (a model) :lol:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1245/1346980597_3072d4dbf9_m.jpg I would love to see development here on nice condos and retail :cheers:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/14/18935222_d525e6e599_m.jpg
This is a good for redevelopment but I guess its never going to it would look urban

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/181/464617395_e5312f1ae0_m.jpg
Our most urban building (I don't know what the f**k it is lol)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/46/141747876_f99b0e15c2_m.jpg
This is our modern suburb :nuts:. Just playing we have one good fair sized suburb Winterville.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/70/230968445_2708836e94_m.jpg
we dont need no stickin Bass Pro Shops we got a area where you can get in youre boat and go to blockbuster, or go to sonic, or even drown. G-man this is the place for you and dont leave out Raleigh-NC with polar ice caps melting anyway you should move here. lol

This is just a little photo's of my city Greenville, NC e-mail me if you want to ask anything! This applys to members only come to Greenville for special details (in car dealership commercial voice lol).

StevenW

June 14th, 2008, 12:31 PM

No ECU campus pix? :?

Infoman

June 14th, 2008, 03:29 PM

They suck.

Raleigh-NC

June 14th, 2008, 04:13 PM

Come on, Infoman... Don't get cheap on us :( g-man and I have been looking for photos with ECU babes and you let us down. Anyway, thanks for the photos, and keep them coming please ;)

g-man430

June 14th, 2008, 05:14 PM

Found one of those babes Raleigh-NC likes: http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d105/paul1984/really_fat_chick.jpg He likes them :naughty: :lol:

StevenW

June 14th, 2008, 10:48 PM

^^ :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: ^^ :uh: :uh: :uh:

g-man430

June 15th, 2008, 06:28 AM

:rofl: Are you that shocked Raleigh-NC likes women like that? Either that or you like her too.

StevenW

June 15th, 2008, 02:21 PM

What? Well, she might have a great personality. She seems quite confident in herself. ;)
Are you married, g-man? :D I'm taken. But this gal may be single. Why not track her down and ask her out? Ryan's is always a great place to go on a first date! :lol:

g-man430

June 16th, 2008, 03:34 AM

Not married and single. :( Ryan's? Why not McDonalds? You can't beat Mickey D's. :D

StevenW

June 16th, 2008, 11:19 AM

Not married and single. :( Ryan's? Why not McDonalds? You can't beat Mickey D's. :D

Buffet man, it's all about the buffet.... :lol: :nuts: :lol:

Raleigh-NC

June 16th, 2008, 09:41 PM

g-man, that is your girlfriend... You are thinking about marrying her and soliciting opinions from other forumers. Which means you are not 100% certain. One thing is for sure, your fish won't last for a second :rofl:

g-man430

June 16th, 2008, 09:54 PM

StevenW

June 16th, 2008, 11:17 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :hilarious
:rofl:

Raleigh-NC

June 17th, 2008, 03:40 PM

g-man, you remind me of a song by the Mentors, titled The Four F Club (http://www.mp3lyrics.org/m/mentors/four-f-club/), one of my favorites... Maybe that is a good advice for you :rofl:

g-man430

June 17th, 2008, 08:30 PM

"Man I feel like a woman" :uh: Run for your lives. :nocrook:

EasternNC Pirate

July 22nd, 2008, 04:45 PM

Site work begins for new dorm

By Mike Grizzard
The Daily Reflector

Friday, July 18, 2008

Site work is under way for the construction of a private dormitory overlooking the Tar River on First Street in downtown Greenville. The building is expected to be ready for East Carolina University student occupancy for the fall semester of 2009.

Place Properties of Atlanta is developing the four-story, 193-unit building, to be called First Street Place. Jeff Githens, a development associate with Place Properties, anticipates the project to be complete by next August and that leasing will begin this fall.

Place Properties of Atlanta is developing a four-story, 193-unit, private dormitory overlooking the Tar River on First Street in downtown Greenville.

Place Properties has housing communities and facilities in 14 states, primarily in university and military markets. It has private dorms in Raleigh (Wolf Creek), Charlotte (901 Place) and Pembroke (Pembroke Place).

"We've done one other project with them, and they make a nice property," construction supervisor David Michael said from his Wilmington office. "... It's a privatized dormitory, which there probably is a big need (in Greenville). ... The state can't keep up with the demand, so the private side comes in and works it out."

Githens said Greenville fits the profile that Place Properties targets, citing ECU's "growing enrollment and academic programs – both undergraduate and graduate," a "progressive community that has put much focus into redevelopment of its downtown and creating a strong connection between the downtown and the university," and demand for student housing closer to campus.

"The location is an ideal setting for a student apartment community — close to campus, the river walk and downtown amenities," Githens said in an e-mail response to questions about the project.

He said all precautions to avoid flooding were being taken given the proximity to the Tar River.

"There are no concerns with flooding on this project," Githens said. "The new building at its lowest point is 15 feet above the 100-year flood stage.

"The vast majority of the building is 25 feet or more above the 100-year flood stage. All parking is also above the 100-year flood stage."

First Street Place will be comprised of 113 one-bedroom loft studios; 65 two-bedroom, two-bathroom units; and 15 three-bedroom, three-bathroom units, according to Githens.

"Every resident will have their own surface parking space," he said. "Amenities will include clubhouse facilities with a state-of-the-art fitness center, tanning bed, computer lab, and beach-entry swimming pool in the courtyard. The Greenway will also be extended through the property along the river."

Place Properties is a diversified real estate company with expertise in financing, developing and managing award-winning housing communities and facilities for the university and military markets.

http://www.reflector.com/local/content/news/stories/2008/07/18/5180755_0718firststreetplace.html

Infoman

July 22nd, 2008, 08:42 PM

I meant to post that project. Its not to tall this another thing I hate about Greenville is that we depend in ECU to much to have buildings built, its kind of like some of the middle east countries that depend on oil to get the economy booming. Dubai on the other hand is not oil dependent, they are planning to be the worlds next hub city.

Infoman

July 27th, 2008, 08:33 PM

http://http://www.reflector.com/local/content/news/stories/2008/07/27/downtownwork.html

New 6 to 8 level dorms in Greenville, NC. With 30,000 to 50,000 sq ft of retail, this will be the tallest thing we built in a long time.

EasternNC Pirate

July 28th, 2008, 06:28 PM

Downtown developer aims high

By Ginger Livingston
The Daily Reflector

Sunday, July 27, 2008

The high-rise dorms of East Carolina University may be joined by another structure if the plans of a Greenville businessman and his partners work out.

Real estate developer Collice Moore and others want to build a six-to-eight-story mixed-use development in downtown Greenville. They've hired an architectural firm to research the project's feasibility in the current Greenville market. The report should be completed in 60 days, Moore said.

"It is something that looks positive," he said.

The structure would be built on 2.5 acres at the corner of Reade Circle and Dickinson Avenue. In preparation, a former retail auto shop has come down and the demolition of the former Pirates Landing apartment complex, across the street from Sheppard Memorial Library, is under way.

Rising gas prices, growing numbers of home mortgage foreclosures and recent instability in the banking sector are contributing to uneasy economic times, nationally. Locally, Starbucks Coffee announced last week its Fire Tower Road location is one of 600 it is closing nationwide. Several newly built retail outlets on Fire Tower Road and Charles Boulevard are empty, as are shops surrounding the Greenville Grande movie theater.

Still, Moore seems optimistic. He said banks are looking favorably on the proposed project, which would take 1½ to 2 years to complete, he said.

"Timing for completion will be happening during the period we expect the market to be getting better," he said. "I think it is the best time to be prepared for things."

Moore said the vision for the development is to have between 30,000 to 40,000 square feet of retail space on the ground level, between 30,000 to 50,000 square feet of office space on the next two or three floors and 100,000 square feet of housing divided between one-, two- and possibility three-bedroom condominiums.

The project was motivated by the continued growth of the university and medical school, as well as the desire of many to have shopping and living near the university and the medical center without traffic congestion, he said.

"I've been in the real-estate business 40 years, and my firm and I have been involved in the appraisal of similar projects in other towns," he said.

He believes the signs for pursuing this project are positive. So far, an environmental survey has found no problems with the site, and the land is zoned for mixed development use.

If the market review is positive, all that is needed is final city approval of the building plans and plat, he said.

Greenville's tallest buildings are owned by East Carolina University: Green and Clement residence halls which are 10 stories each and Tyler residence hall with its nine stories. The tallest non-university building is the eight-story University Towers next to Green and Clement.

Moore is senior partner of Moore & Piner, a real estate development company. The company is handling the developers contract for Moore and his partners.

"It is a planned learning procedure that I and my partners are willing to go through to learn what will be a good investment for Greenville's future," he said.

Raleigh-NC

July 28th, 2008, 10:02 PM

Can't wait to see renderings and photos of the existing conditions ;)

Raleigh-NC

August 5th, 2008, 10:15 PM

snookums

August 6th, 2008, 04:34 AM

Let's give some love to Fayetteville: Fayetteville to consider different spot for museum (http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/3332529/). There is a slideshow, with more renderings, but here is one:

http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/news/local/2007/08/27/1748779/1188253321_museum-400x300.jpg

The building looks like a typical 8-10 story mid-rise, but it will make a great impact in the town, no matter where they will place it. The typical "save the park" crowd opposes the approved location and the City Council seems to be looking into a downtown location. Hopefully, it will be placed somewhere where it will make impact and help the creation of a small skyline.

WTF? Festival Park pretty much *IS* downtown.:lol:....well it is on the edge of downtown at least. There is a footbridge that connects Festival Park to the downtown library and old depot. Train tracks run almost behind the Pavilion at Festival Park. It is a nice park.:) It really is amazing how walkable DT Fayetteville is.

I must say I did not expect a "green" type of crowd like "Save the park" in Fayetteville. Kinda surprising.
But either way, this new museum will be good for Fayetteville.:cheers:

Pics of Festival Park:
http://www.newraleigh.com/images/uploads/pbcl2.gif
http://ccplic4teens.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/flags-festival-park-memorial-day-2008-004-resized.jpg

Raleigh-NC

August 6th, 2008, 04:11 PM

You are correct. As the report states: "But a group called Save Festival Park Committee has formed to oppose the location, and the council voted Monday to form the task force to study other downtown locations." I also agree about the walkability of DT Fayetteville. Too bad people take cheap shots at the town/city and overlook the great revitalization efforts... They miss out of some neat things about DT Fayetteville. One of these days I will have to get down there and take photos ;)

Infoman

August 19th, 2008, 07:31 AM

Best Buy for Wilson

http://archive.wilsontimes.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/wil/archive/2008/August/07/LocalNews/1124527.xml&start=0&numPer=20&keyword=BEST+BUY&sectionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F1987&enddate=12%2F31%2F2008&authorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=&IncludeImages=&mode=allwords&archive_pubname=Wilson+Daily+Times%0A%09%09%09

Infoman

August 19th, 2008, 07:36 AM

http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/08/18/2008/08/18/retailers.html?imw=Y
New Rocky Mount ALDI, I think its the nicest ive ever seen

http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/biz/content/business/stories/2008/08/06/providence.html
Providence Bank Branch for Rocky Mount

Infoman

August 22nd, 2008, 10:27 PM

New KFC for Rocky Mount (I has been saying 45,000 sq ft since it was proposed but it's really 4,500 sqft)
http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/business/new-building-old-name-for-kfc-90513.html
Olive Garden is coming to Rocky Mount
http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/olive-garden-to-make-home-in-rocky-mount-90621.html
Golden East Crossing Mall has been expanding for a long time now, which is good.
http://www.wilsondaily.com/News/Local/Story/Old-corner-to-get-a-new-look-- Even though the Wilson market has slowed down, there still is a good amount of construction going on.
Oh don't forget Jacksonville, NC
http://www.jdnews.com/news/richlands_58942___article.html/jacksonville_development.html

http://www.kinston.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1155201880&bclid=1155306318&bctid=1554364886
Nothing new in Kinston but here is a littel video about Spirit Aerosystems Announcement.

More will come soon so stay tune. I may even release some of the development's I know about in NC today. :banana:

g-man430

August 22nd, 2008, 10:30 PM

:poke:

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 07:06 AM

http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/business/golden-east-grows-despite-rocky-economy-92968.html.

I finally noticed why I hate Greenville, NC, it's because people here alway's pick on place's like Wilson, Tarboro, and Kinston when really there cities way bigger a tougher. This is some of the things they say here why cant there downtown be like ours (when our's sucks), they are just getting those stores (some of the store's that we don't even have), Why is it so country out there (when we are country to), that's why they cant get a hilton that's 5 stars (when really it sucks too with 3 stars which isnt bad but it's outdated), my point is we are just like the place's we pick on. But one city Greenville never messes with in East Carolina is Rocky Mount. But for some reason they want to start it with Raleigh, and Greenville, SC. Like when im in Raleigh people say we can get a Cheesecake Factory just like them (when our demographic's our way off for one), we can get tall building to (thats just the way they say it and im like wtf), we when we go past a hotel that's nice but the hilon can beat that hotel (they dont even say it right its hilton), It was one day I was looking at the newspaper and it said Greenville, NC booming but why not there (They showed a pic of Riverplace in Greenville, SC) and that was the last straw so now I HATE THIS DAMN PLACE it want's to be big when it's really small. :bash: :nuts: :ohno:

g-man430

August 23rd, 2008, 07:09 AM

:dunno: :hug: Ritalin...no wait Viagra. :D

TarheelsCubs

August 23rd, 2008, 07:21 AM

:dunno: :hug: Ritalin...no wait Viagra. :D

I just don't understand how Rocky-Mount continues to grow like it is. Really, the place sucks!

It is cool that they are getting an olive garden...but what is generating their population growth?

I understand what is generating wilson's growth...pharmaceutical companies, BB&T (I think there are nearly 10,000 jobs in wilson), Firestone, and the area is a hot spot for RTP distribution companies...which gives wilson the nickname "Triangle east"

So what is generating RM'S growth? :nuts:

TarheelsCubs

August 23rd, 2008, 07:28 AM

I wonder how large the best buy in Greenville is? The article for the Wilson one says the new Wilson Best Buy will be larger than the R-M one. Just wondering because the best buy in Greenville is small!

I hope the Wilson BB is like the one in Cary....but I know thats just a dream. :)

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 07:29 AM

Right now I think Wilson's economy is the best in East Carolina they really could support a Olive Garden, but they really could support a outback.

g-man430

August 23rd, 2008, 07:29 AM

45,000 square feet. Why? Oh you mean North Carolina? Oops. :lol:

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 07:29 AM

I could find out hold on for like 10 mins (stay online).

g-man430

August 23rd, 2008, 07:31 AM

I could find out hold on for like 10 mins (stay online).

I wish I could find out where that Greer development is located. :bash: :ohno: :rant: :cry: :pet: :guns1: :uh: :runaway:

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 07:38 AM

ours is 40,000 sq ft.

TarheelsCubs

August 23rd, 2008, 07:39 AM

Right now I think Wilson's economy is the best in East Carolina they really could support a Olive Garden, but they really could support a outback.

The only reason Wilson does not have those places now is because of its location. They are stuck between Raleigh, Goldsboro, R-M, and Greenville. All those locations already have all the big chain places.

Wilson population as of 2006 is 47,000 something. Sometime around 2010, we will be looking at NC's 10th metro region...which will be called Wilson metro. Wilson could already be at 50,000 for all I know....but most likely not. I think when wilson gets that metro title......it will explode. I strongly believe they will leave R-M in the dust one day. We will see. It's just a matter of time. :cheers:

Greenville will leave all in dust though! :banana:

TarheelsCubs

August 23rd, 2008, 07:44 AM

Thats what I thought. So basically the Wilson best buy will suck. 30,000 square feet is small. Especially if the G'ville BB is 40,000.

And yeah G'man...this is NC! :cheers:

Not that slow place to the south of us!:banana:

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 07:46 AM

Wilson seriously will should get prepared because I really believe they are ready to boom, when I use live there (only for a year), in 2005/2006 If you went down Raleigh Road Parkway you would be like WTF, it was a overload of construction like they were putting the new shopping center up (Heritage Crossing), Verizon, and this mexican restaurant were underconstruction at the same time, the roads were very bumpy do to road construction going on, I think there was a hotel rising, but all together there was lot's of construction going on.

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 07:48 AM

But our's is the total like the amount of store space, and other stuff. while our think that is only for the store space for shopping.

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 07:50 AM

hold on im going to go look agian and see how big it is. Because I think that is a lttle big for our market size.

g-man430

August 23rd, 2008, 07:52 AM

Ours is still bigger. :D We're not slow tarheelscubs. We're just...ok maybe we are slow. :lol:

TarheelsCubs

August 23rd, 2008, 07:56 AM

Yeah, Wilson since then has...or IS buiding like 5 new hotels....big ones too. There are two large hotels being built behind Chili's and Texas Steak House. Both are at least 6 stories. First Citizens is also building a very large bank over beside Heritage...to bad it could not be downtown.....

Other large Hotels are going up at I-95....or just finished.

On my way to Raleigh...I often skip the wilson by-pass (which is boring) and drive straight through wilson....so I am always up to date on Wilson construction along Raleigh road...or whatever it is called. So if you ever have any questions about Wilson contruction, just ask.

I know, I am a urban junky....I always take drives through towns just to see what it looks like or what type of construction is going on. Even if it is way out of my way. :lol:

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 07:58 AM

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 08:03 AM

TarheelsCubs

August 23rd, 2008, 08:09 AM

Why cant BB&T HQ just move back to Wilson, They have a huge amount of there operations there (Downtown with the twin towers, Forest Hills Road has like 2 with one at a intersection the other in a foodlion center, there's another one on a road beside that that, and a little bit more than that)

Urgggg..that makes me so mad too. Just imagine if that new BB&T building on Forest Hills rd...and the Food lion BB&T...were all merged into one large building in downtown Wilson!!??

That is what I don't understand. I am majoring in Geography at ECU and hopefully will become a city planner one day. I have not got to the upper level courses yet. But if I had anything to do with decision making in Wilson...all those BB&T jobs would be downtown!

Folks, we are talking around 10,000 jobs! This would change downtown Wilson! I would have done whatever it would have taken to make them build downtown....give them the property (because the city owns several lots downtown) more tax incentives...whatever.

But I am a jr this year. So I am just getting into the upper level geography classes. So I have a lot to learn. :ohno:

But downtown Wilson would be booming with all those BB&T jobs!

TarheelsCubs

August 23rd, 2008, 08:13 AM

So how tall is the first citizens bank suppose to be. I know they have a hell of a lot of hotels underconstruction (Hampton Inn, the one right beside it forgot the name, Country Inn, and I think 3 others).

I am not sure....it was a skeleton the last time I saw it. But it reminded me of the new southern bank in Greenville across from the hospital....in size. Probably a bit smaller though. I just got the feeling that the design would be decent...Unlike that cheap BB&T they built just across the street......:bash:

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 08:18 AM

uh. Downtown wilson is getting ready to get built up to. I hope BB&T move's back to Wilson they could build a atleast 20 level building in Wilson.

TarheelsCubs

August 23rd, 2008, 08:23 AM

uh. Downtown wilson is getting ready to get built up to. I hope BB&T move's back to Wilson they could build a atleast 20 level building in Wilson.

They don't have to move back to Wilson! The jobs are already there! 10,000 or so of them. My question is...if they moved all the jobs downtown...in one new building...how tall would it be? :lol:

.............

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 08:26 AM

Well it will be atleast 15 levels. maybe

TarheelsCubs

August 23rd, 2008, 08:28 AM

uh. Downtown wilson is getting ready to get built up to. I hope BB&T move's back to Wilson they could build a atleast 20 level building in Wilson.

The problem is...downtown wilson is NOT about to build up. Thats why BB&T could have saved downtown....but chose the cheap way out...the burbs. Thats why the city should have gone out of their ways to bring those jobs downtown...whatever it would take. Thats what I would have done if I were in charge. Of course, I don't know the entire situation.

Downtown Wilson is dying a slow death.....it is run down....100 percent black.

No racism here...just stating the facts. A good downtown will have many different races...not just one!

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 08:31 AM

TarheelsCubs

August 23rd, 2008, 08:39 AM

They say when Wilson hits 50,000 people that's when all the restaruant's, hotels, etc will start rolling in like mad, so by next year wilson should be rolling as long as McCain dosent get in the house. lol. youre not racist right. because I dont roll that way.

To tell you the truth...it's hard for me to say that I am not racist. I see what I see in person, on the news...etc. Do I hate entire races? Hell no. But if anyone can honestly say they are ok with what is happening in east wilson...or any other town...then you have blinders on. I am not wishing that the black people in east wilson would just vanish....I am just wishing that the crime in that part of town would. Read the Wilson daily times online about the shootout in Wilson the other night! With me it's about safety!

TarheelsCubs

August 23rd, 2008, 09:03 AM

Here is a pretty cool article from the Wilson daily times

http://http://www.wilsondaily.com/News/Local/Story/Old-corner-to-get-a-new-look-- (http://www.wilsondaily.com/News/Local/Story/Old-corner-to-get-a-new-look--)

Can't wait to see what will go in this location in the future. This will be right beside the new proposed hospital....and across the street from the current hospital. Great to see the lot get rivitalized. :cheers:

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 03:51 PM

http://www.wilsondaily.com/News/Business/Story/Olive-Garden-coming-to-Rocky-Mount--
Olive Garden in Wilson is still possible. :banana:

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 04:03 PM

100 new jobs for Spartanburg County, Omnicare coming to corporate center
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20080823/NEWS/808230370/1086/news07&title=Omnicare_coming_to_Corporate_Center
:banana:

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 04:35 PM

Im planning to do my first photo update in Greenville and maybe Wilson.

Infoman

August 23rd, 2008, 07:30 PM

I was trying to see if I could post pics from my Sidekick LX.

Infoman

August 24th, 2008, 07:44 AM

Here are some pic's of Greenville, NC some are developments some are just how Greenville, NC is, hope youn enjoy.
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