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Paul November 24th, 2007, 09:23 PM Skyscraper planned in Warsaw Ghetto
By Vanessa Gera
Associated Press
WARSAW, Poland - Poland's Jewish leaders have unveiled plans for a glass skyscraper in a neighborhood that was the heart of the Warsaw Ghetto during World War II.
The building, projected to rise 680 feet, would tower over the elegant Nozyk synagogue, Warsaw's only remaining synagogue, dramatically altering the look of the historic neighborhood.
The skyscraper would include a new house of prayer, a kosher restaurant, and vast commercial space, giving Warsaw's growing Jewish community a place to expand its activities and providing a source of profit for the future.
The project is another step in the revival of Jewish life in Poland, which was home to Europe's largest Jewish community until World War II.
Today, after being nearly wiped out in the Holocaust, the community is gaining people and financial support. Some Poles are discovering they have Jewish roots and are trying to reconnect to that culture, while a 1997 law that compensates the Jewish community for lost property has left it with new wealth.
However, the community still has not received approval from city officials for the building, and some Jews are adamantly against the plan.
Community leader Piotr Kadlcik said he and other Jewish leaders were working to meet city requirements, and hope that city approval will come soon. He also said the community was looking for investors to help fund the ambitious project.
Eleonora Bergman, director of the Jewish Historical Institute in Warsaw, called the idea for the skyscraper a "bad joke," arguing that it would damage the historic character of the synagogue and the surrounding area.
Herbert Block of the Joint Distribution Committee, a Jewish organization that has worked in Poland since the fall of communism in 1989 to help rebuild Jewish life, said Jewish communities in Romania, Bulgaria and Slovakia successfully carried out similar projects.
The Nozyk synagogue, which opened in 1902 and now serves the city's Orthodox Jewish community, is the only prewar synagogue still standing. It is in what used to be the Warsaw Ghetto, where Nazi occupiers confined Jews before sending them to death camps, and was the site of a desperate uprising by Jewish resistance fighters in 1943.
Kadlcik described the new center as essential for Warsaw's Jewish community, now in cramped quarters. Blueprints show a building shaped like a sail that would use solar and wind power to generate its own energy.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20071103_Skyscraper_planned_in_Warsaw_Ghetto.html
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/wgz443.jpg
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/qwert45.jpg
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/hinesgz05673.jpg
Jaru123 November 24th, 2007, 10:57 PM Great desing and good Height
Singidunum November 24th, 2007, 11:08 PM Nice tower! Smart people!
TwItCH November 25th, 2007, 12:26 AM What are the chances of this thing being built?
potipoti November 25th, 2007, 01:24 AM and it's near the Palace of Culture and Science and the modern center of the city, so it'd be great!!
city_thing November 25th, 2007, 02:56 AM What a great design.
Wouldn't it be difficult for this to be approved though? I thought that maybe the Jewish Ghetto would be a point of historical significance, so wouldn't it be protected?
M.Schwerdtner November 25th, 2007, 02:57 AM interesting design, great for poland
Elkhanan1 November 25th, 2007, 08:13 AM I'm very ambivalent about this project. As an interested outside observer--I'm the son and grandson of Holocaust survivors and victims from Poland and Lithuania--I must say that I'm opposed, despite the apparent benefits to the community. I think its out of scale and inappropriate.
p.s. I do love lots of other projects in Warsaw. :okay:
Peter The Great November 25th, 2007, 02:21 PM First the Shalom Tower, now the Jewish Leaders' Tower...among others. These names make quite a statement.
ufonut November 25th, 2007, 02:33 PM Holes in the building are designed to generate energy ! If it gets built it will be the first such building in the world.
TwItCH November 25th, 2007, 05:14 PM First the Shalom Tower, now the Jewish Leaders' Tower...among others. These names make quite a statement.
There is no Shalom Tower. That project turned into the Hines Tower.:)
Paul November 25th, 2007, 05:30 PM del
TwItCH November 25th, 2007, 05:37 PM Isn't the Jewish Foundation (the people that are building the tower for them selves) the investor?
Paul November 25th, 2007, 06:08 PM del
Paolo November 25th, 2007, 06:29 PM Jewish Community is the owner of the parcel where they want build the tower - they want to find financial investor to help build and maybe manage the tower.
I thought that maybe the Jewish Ghetto would be a point of historical significance, so wouldn't it be protected?
In fact almost nothing left in Warsaw after Jewish Ghetto - all was burned to the ground by german troops in 1943/44 - now only some monuments, few pieces of wall and names of the streets left. In 1960s new district (Muranow) was built there - many socrealistic buildings with new broader streets and some parks.
I think it should be understandable for all that community of Warsaw Jews doesnt want to see Warsaw ONLY as a cemetery and former Jewish Ghetto area and think that together with new museum of Polish Jews they will be great future projects for Warsaw.
MDguy November 25th, 2007, 07:54 PM looks incredible! mabey a few little changes and it will be perfect!
ZZ-II November 25th, 2007, 08:04 PM looks very nice, i really like the design. fits well in the skyline of warsaw
Sbz2ifc November 25th, 2007, 10:35 PM Holes in the building are designed to generate energy ! If it gets built it will be the first such building in the world.
There's another building like that http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=410543 and it will probably be completed before this one :D
Paul November 26th, 2007, 02:51 PM del
Adiks November 26th, 2007, 03:47 PM ^^:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
pescarush November 26th, 2007, 09:01 PM is the other little tower so close to the 'mother' one, or is attached to it?
that sinagogue looks so streched, poor little building...
i think this is only a sketch, the project needs improvement.
_BPS_ November 26th, 2007, 10:02 PM The renders look nice, except this one:
Skyscraper planned in Warsaw Ghetto
[I]By Vanessa Gera
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/hinesgz05673.jpg
Wheres the windows?
Kerkhoff November 26th, 2007, 10:06 PM ^^ In Polish newspaper they wrote that it'll be the most modern building in the world ;)
They meant the Third World probably:lol:
kapturek November 26th, 2007, 11:10 PM The renders look nice, except this one:
Wheres the windows?
It's only a simple render made by one of this forum users, cichus1, to show the placement of this buildings :)
The green one is Shalom Tower(160m)
Second City November 27th, 2007, 08:12 AM Let's get this one approved! :cheers:
Cracovia November 27th, 2007, 06:23 PM Its the Jewish community tower not the "Jewish leaders tower"
Also it is supposed to hold a hotel which will have all the requirements for orthodox Jews. Also the rest of the space will be taken up by offices. Im not sure bout the current situation but its a hopefull. Also there are two different versions of the project
http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/57/12/5712.jpg
Version 1 with a rounded roof
http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/60/48/6048.jpg
With an un rounded roof
Paul November 27th, 2007, 09:49 PM project on the second picture is actually valid.
Phobos November 28th, 2007, 02:38 AM The facade is quite nice.
Fallout December 18th, 2007, 11:04 PM Any news about that one? Was it approved already or is still a pro?
Locke December 18th, 2007, 11:16 PM This is a classy glassy tower for Warsaw, more of a supporting act to the new Zaha tower and that 283m one, but still excellent.
Love the green credentials as well, especially in this age of climate change.
Darhet December 19th, 2007, 12:37 AM ^^Skyscraper that will use solar and wind power to generate its own energy.
Cracovia December 19th, 2007, 12:48 AM The investor has not given us any new info yet...i reckon there sorting out the paper work which in Poland takes some time...Then they will announce more info
Fallout December 19th, 2007, 01:59 AM Actually, i like this one most of the 3.
Paul December 20th, 2007, 12:30 AM The renders look nice, except this one:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/hinesgz05673.jpg
Wheres the windows?
omfg :doh:
Ring June 26th, 2008, 06:14 PM Today the authorities approved this building for construction along with Lilium Tower. Can someone change the title?
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/ringssc/wgz.jpg
phaedrus June 26th, 2008, 06:41 PM beautiful!
dopeman1 June 26th, 2008, 08:52 PM i think this tower is really ugly SORRY WINNETOU !!
Marco Polo June 27th, 2008, 08:10 AM I like it a lot. Certainly different from all the boxes or cheap-looking dubai-almaty-style stuff.
Michał78 June 27th, 2008, 01:58 PM Beautiful tower, I like her simple design :) Go Warsaw
Jim856796 August 29th, 2008, 03:14 AM Wheres the windows?
The tower was probably drawn on Sketchup.
Domestos_WC August 29th, 2008, 03:28 PM It would be great! Warsaw's panorama is so cheap now, it doesn't look like a capital of Poland.
now i'm pessimist - polish goverment can destroy everything... just look at the tempo of EURO 2012 arrangements...
Domestos_WC August 29th, 2008, 03:30 PM It would be great! Warsaw's panorama is so cheap now, it doesn't look like a capital of Poland.
now i'm pessimist - polish goverment can destroy everything... just look at the tempo of EURO 2012 arrangements...
יתוש August 30th, 2008, 11:50 PM Warsaw's panorama is so cheap now, it doesn't look like a capital of Poland.
You are joking right? In my opinion Warsaw is in Top 5 in Europe:)
Ni3lS August 31st, 2008, 01:01 AM ^^ Maybe the new commercial buildings and stuff. But the suburb is indeed looking very cheap and ugly. I like this tower btw :)
Marco Polo August 31st, 2008, 05:16 AM This building will definitely help the skyline as well as strengthen the vibrancy of the CBD.
Sponsor September 1st, 2008, 08:23 PM ^^ Maybe the new commercial buildings and stuff. But the suburb is indeed looking very cheap and ugly. I like this tower btw :)
I don't know Warsaw well but I heard its suburbs looks pretty cool thanks to a lot of new apartments and green areas, and the city centre is still quite ugly even with new towers.
Iluminat September 1st, 2008, 08:42 PM ^^ Indeed suburbs are much cleaner than the city center...
Darhet September 3rd, 2008, 07:12 AM Domestos_WC and Nielsiej13 you don’t know Warsaw!!!
Warsaw is richest city in the former Eastern Bloc
Warsaw City Center:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5981/bwpueberflu1gwarschaumw6.jpg
NorthPole September 5th, 2008, 02:31 AM I hope the second version (with "cut" roof and more organic general shape) will be used. It'll make the wind turbines more effective (the inlet edges!) and the overall shape less boxy.
Saigoneseguy September 5th, 2008, 04:14 AM Great tower, but its back side is...plain white?
MG1803 September 5th, 2008, 03:59 PM Is the title correct? I think that it's the Jewish Community Tower (it's an official name of the building). Am I right? Even if I'm not right, the present title isn't grammatically correct.
Cracovia September 5th, 2008, 05:12 PM Yea Jewish comune tower would be the exact translation
Iluminat September 5th, 2008, 05:53 PM Great tower, but its back side is...plain white?
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NorthPole September 5th, 2008, 10:13 PM Great tower, but its back side is...plain white?Yes. It's implied by Halacha and it's the only way to keep it kosher :lol:
Actually the draft was made by Polish forumer.
sieradzanin1 November 5th, 2009, 04:24 PM Originally Posted by crumbb
Adds a handful of good news. Emphasize that they are a very reliable source:
-The Jewish community got very conditions of their high-rise buildings, although the construction will not be a rush
-Established in the vicinity of the theater is also thought to build a skyscraper
sakai November 8th, 2009, 05:09 AM If it gets built it will be the first such building in the world.
or will it?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=410543
http://www.chinesearchitecture.cn/CACN/Images/Guangzhou/PearlRiverTower-001.jpg
batman November 11th, 2009, 02:32 PM or will it?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=410543
It's quite obvious what inspired the concept of Poland's Jewish tower. I wuold say it's even too similar to that one in China, and looks like a worse copy.
batman November 11th, 2009, 02:47 PM or will it?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=410543
It's quite obvious what inspired the concept of Poland's Jewish tower. I wuold say it's even too similar to that one in China,and looks like worse copy.
WiGgLz01 December 24th, 2009, 02:22 AM much too similar to pearl river tower in guangzhou, but i like it:)
sieradzanin1 January 18th, 2010, 03:39 PM From Poland Forum:
The municipality has reportedly already authorized to build and secure financing.
Like a fortress, people from the council - added soon move from the building. I hope it's true, not just the statutory propaganda of success ...
Paolo January 18th, 2010, 05:13 PM :bash: stop writing unverified information in international threads... BTW using Google translator you're making ass of yourself... :ohno:
sieradzanin1 January 18th, 2010, 07:17 PM sorry
sieradzanin1 January 14th, 2011, 05:14 PM Clerks cut the building up to 170 m. Still this year (probably with autumn) construction of the WGŻ tower block will begin.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/712/dsc1317.jpg
by Pedroni (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=648113)
sieradzanin1 January 15th, 2011, 05:37 PM Project :
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/8274/z8274980X,Budynek-Centrum-Spolecznosci-Zydowskiej-przy-Twardej-.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/8274/z8274981X,Obok-budynku-Centrum-Spolecznosci-Zydowskiej-stanie.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/8274/z8274982X,Obok-budynku-Centrum-Spolecznosci-Zydowskiej-stanie.jpg
ferge January 15th, 2011, 06:10 PM Are the above renders showing this height reduction? I think it actually works better being of a similiar height to the tower nextdoor.
Urbanista1 January 15th, 2011, 07:21 PM It actually is called Jewish District Tower and it does not have any financing and it will not start for some time. The tower under construction in the pic is the Hines' Twarda Tower. Please correct, thanks.
JohnFlint1985 January 15th, 2011, 08:39 PM What is the point in this tower and such a name? there are less than 3000 Jews left in Poland as of today and this whole business with the name sounds as a mix of ridiculous and crazy
Cracovia January 16th, 2011, 01:41 AM Its going to be built on top of a historical synagogue, so its on land belonging to jews. Its going to have a jewish community centre and a new synagogue in it :) also the correct translation would be Jewish comune tower
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/wgz443.jpg
^^as you can see
lukaszek89 January 16th, 2011, 01:52 AM ^^This visualisation is not actual. Building will be lower.
Cracovia January 16th, 2011, 01:55 AM I know its just to show the position of the building in relation to the synagogue
Manitopiaaa January 16th, 2011, 06:29 AM That cladding on the render looks celestial. What does the Jewish have to do with this building. Will it be religious in nature at all?
NorthPole February 24th, 2011, 08:38 PM ^^ The tower meant to be used as a "kosher hotel" and the actual (though probably temporary) name for the tower is Jewish Community Tower (in Polish: Wieżowiec Gminy Żydowskiej) and not "Poland's Jewish Leaders Tower" or "Jewish District Tower" (in Polish one of the meanings for the word "district" is the same word as "community" (gmina) so formally it can mean both commune/community or territory of its activity/administration).
The rumours say they will start late this year, but we cannot be sure of anything. At least they had been assured that the new master plan for that district allows 170m tall tower there.
Eric Offereins February 25th, 2011, 11:44 PM ^^ It takes quite some time, but hopefully it will get built. :)
dino2010 March 17th, 2011, 12:28 AM In my opinion a little too close Twarda Tower ...hmm
Gendo March 21st, 2011, 09:27 AM A very cheap knock off of Pearl River Tower.
I hope this gets a redesign.
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